Rister you’re aware people wont get mad from you saying samsora or nairo right? It’s really awkward to go from saying “Armada and ESAM” to just “peach”. Samsora was a top 5 player you can’t erase that even if he was cancelled. It’s part of smash history. It’s really awkward to show footage of nairo and samsora and skate around their names as if their faces and tags aren’t right there.
@@RisterMice love this video!! This is honestly what I've wanted more from ultimate content. While tournament recaps and more standard gameplay content is okay here and there, these more broad concepts are amazing and very similar to what melee/brawl now has got content
Good video! But missed opportunity to not end it with a LIST of all the characters at the end, along with stats like number of games played as well as win rate.
Some fun facts about some characters of MKLeo : - On Ultimate Summit , he pulled the Greninja against Mang0 on Game 2 and Game 3. The main reason is because nobody was there to practice with Mang0 but MKLeo was pretty homie and grind with Mang0 for 4-6 hours straight. It was mainly against his Lucina , and Mang0 on game 1 was last stock against MKLeo so Leo switch to a character that Mang0 did not practice against lol. Also Mang0´s Wario MU help MKLeo to beat Gluttony with Lucina lol . (GOAT recognize GOAT) - Genesis 9 was the first tournament his Joker won , this is because Genesis 6 was with Ike and Lucina , Genesis 8 was with his Byleth , and Genesis 7 he lost at Grands against Marss. Also on that tournament (Genesis 9), the ROB bailed MKLeo out against Min Min and help him clutch out the set 3-2 - There was a local tournament MKLeo went after EVO and Smash Con where he pulled out the Chrom and went solo Chrom , and won it lmao
it is necessary to say that Lucina and Marth appeared in LMMM 2023 where both lost against Kurama, being this the last appearance of Marth, and with Corrin something similar happened since in GOML 2023 Leo tried to use her against Sonix but after losing game 1 he changed to Aegis, this being the last time he used Corrin
Small note: Leo did actually beat Sonix with Samus. In Flat Realm 6, an online tournament, he beat Sonix in game 5 of grands then 3-0 in the reset, timing him out to finish it.
He said on his Twitch stream a few times that he just didn't enjoy playing her anymore, which is a pretty good reason. Even if she would garner him better results, there's no point in playing a character that you're not having fun piloting.
@@zerotwo8047 People keep going with this, but its just not true. He used it against Protobanham at Double Down after that and didnt use her for a good while before pulling it out against Sonix a couple times after that. Bro just prefers playing Aegis to Corrin.
Great video. Wish there were some sort of chart or list showing all the characters he’s played at the end. If possible data showing the amount of games he’s used each character would’ve been cool too
Great Video. Really enjoyed the recap. Honestly though. Genghis Kahn did some hideous things, but we don't shy away from acknowledging his accomplishments. Pretty sure Nairo and Samsora weren't THAT evil. Seems a bit weird to attempt to just... erase them from smash history, no? Like, ban them if we want to, but a win on a player that skilled is still impressive. It shouldn't be just shoved under the rug, imo.
You know people and I agree that his multi-character nature is one of his weaknesses but I totally LOVE IT. It's just so awesome to see that each character had a purpose of him playing in the bracket!
A shame Leo doesn't enjoy playing Corrin. She's so good in this meta and she actually got Leo some big wins. Oh well to that one. Marth is a character he actually enjoys but despite playing really well against top players (and taking set wins with him) Leo doesn't want to push Marth because "he bad"... which sucks because Leo was actually getting the results with the Marth/Joker duo. (Then he got bodied by Kurama even WITH Lucina so I doubt he will ever touch Marcina again). Cloud was just a phase I assume. Meta Knight is... sort of back? But I doubt it'll last long. Roy and ROB are anomalies LOL. Aegis got nothing but hate, but I will admit she got Leo some decent wins. If he really wants to make her work I know he can, despite people hating her.
@@gearsekando7384 update, he mainly used MK at Taiwan B tier Fist Bump International! Beat tomisa and omuatsu with it before switching to joker to beat bigboss to win :)
I like to think of the sword archetype as a toolbox, so it makes sense he dabbles in most all of them. Even Mewtwo, who isn't considered a swordie but has many sword-like qualities in his normals.
Bro completely forgot about Let's Make Big Moves Mami, Leo used both Marth and Lucina one last time there against Kurama. Granted, he lost 3-0 to him with both counter picks, but still, there's missing data there.
What I love about MkLeo is that he only play swordies, I'm a huge sword and knight lover. I miss his Byleth the most, she's just the coolest looking character with the coolest moveset. But him dropping Byleth was bound to happen as Joker is simply better and more intuitive
Leo actually did use Wario at 2GG Kickoff: Kongo Saga. In Winners Semis, Leo and Gluto swapped mains for Game 1 and then afterwards they went back to their mains, and they did not do this in Grand Finals either. Gluto played Purple Joker and Leo played Red Plumber Wario
I just wish he enjoyed corrin. It would help with the common mus hes losing as joker with Sonic, Wario , and Mario. Aegis can do it but he tends to get cheesed so randomly as her more than anyone else
I'm pretty sure the samus counterpick worked on sonix once at flat realm 7 or 9 I forget exactly which one it was. It was a maister run online event series
everyone forgets that leo went greninja vs mango at the first ultimate summit lmaoo. mango did p well game 1 so leo switched to a character mango knew like next to nothing about
If Leo actually wants to be the best again he would go Joker and Corrin Corrin covers all his bad match ups save for Min Min which honestly Joker does fine against. He just needs to learn the match up. Corrin is the last time he beat Sonix and Gluto. He destroyed Sparg0 with Corrin as well. If he seriously hates playing Corrin then might as well bring back Byleth and Lucina to be the back ups to Joker. Btw Leo just used Byleth in Taiwan pre local this week. Be interesting to see if he continues tonight as the Taiwan tournament starts 10pm eastern.
if he just stayted on joker even through the wifi phase he would prolly still be #1, but he would also be burnt tf out because the fact that he switches characters so much means he prolly doesnt find it fun to only play one character
Wifi Joker is completely different to Offline Joker unfortunately; plays WAY worse online and it prob just sucked the enjoyment out of him for awhile. Hence trying out Byleth.
My favorite (non-joker) character from leo is his Byleth but sadly it doesnt have a place nowadays. It worked back then because leo was miles ahead of everyone else. Nowadays his Joker is special but every secondary is kind of lacking. The characters / players he still needs to find an answer to are gluto, tweek ,sonix, kazuya, pikachu and min-min otherwise it might be hard to break into the top 5 again
pretty sure the reason Leo just decided to play every character in the roster on online tournaments is because he was so good, he needed a challenge to not be bored haha
That's basically all Leo's characters, sparg0 tends to copy Leo in a lot of ways. sparg0 picked up byleth when he saw what leo was doing with them, then corrin, and now roy, and he started making his gamer tag's kpop inspired as well.
I think it would be fun if he used Pokemon Trainer. Just as a call back to Evo 2019-imagine him co-maining the characters from the most famous set in Ultimate history Or him playing Fox, but that's just because I like Fox lol
I Love The Leo Byleth! Joker is awesome and all but I love the Byleth. I disagree with minmin cause she belongs in the binbin and I mean that in both games. Leo Should Pick up Yoshi for no real reason other than it would be nice :)
You think so?… Leo has like 40 major tournament wins and like half of those are premier tier… those are like melee players stats like Hbox and Mang0 types that being playing the game for over a decade
@@slickricky769 Only counting majors officially listed on Liquidpedia/Smash Bros. Wiki, Leo has 24 majors, Miya has 20. Considering Miya already has 7 majors this year compared to Leo’s 1, the only thing that can rly stop Miya from Leo is smash 6 coming out so no more ult majors
@@slickricky769 only counting official majors (A tier and above) Leo has 24, Miya has 20 And looking at the rate of them winning now (Miya has 7 in 2024, Leo has 1) the only thing that can stop Miya is smash 6
@@slickricky769 lol yeah counting lifetime major wins Leo is up waaaaay up there, and he’s still the ult goat, but other top players have caught up to him skills wise for awhile now
Hope you enjoy this video, everyone!
Very well written!
Rister you’re aware people wont get mad from you saying samsora or nairo right? It’s really awkward to go from saying “Armada and ESAM” to just “peach”. Samsora was a top 5 player you can’t erase that even if he was cancelled. It’s part of smash history.
It’s really awkward to show footage of nairo and samsora and skate around their names as if their faces and tags aren’t right there.
Glad to see how far you've come, Ristermice!
yo wassup ristermice the goat, congrats with joining luminosity
@@RisterMice love this video!! This is honestly what I've wanted more from ultimate content. While tournament recaps and more standard gameplay content is okay here and there, these more broad concepts are amazing and very similar to what melee/brawl now has got content
He just used Meta Knight in Taiwan 😭This guy is impossible to predict. Insane!
His reign with Byleth was ridiculous. Gotta be my fave era and Leo character
Good video! But missed opportunity to not end it with a LIST of all the characters at the end, along with stats like number of games played as well as win rate.
Mkleo= the goat
RisterMice used a website for research over talking to his LG teammate MKLeo 💀
I dont think leo remembers all the characters he has played in bracket
I'm assuming this was written before he joined
Some fun facts about some characters of MKLeo :
- On Ultimate Summit , he pulled the Greninja against Mang0 on Game 2 and Game 3. The main reason is because nobody was there to practice with Mang0 but MKLeo was pretty homie and grind with Mang0 for 4-6 hours straight. It was mainly against his Lucina , and Mang0 on game 1 was last stock against MKLeo so Leo switch to a character that Mang0 did not practice against lol. Also Mang0´s Wario MU help MKLeo to beat Gluttony with Lucina lol . (GOAT recognize GOAT)
- Genesis 9 was the first tournament his Joker won , this is because Genesis 6 was with Ike and Lucina , Genesis 8 was with his Byleth , and Genesis 7 he lost at Grands against Marss. Also on that tournament (Genesis 9), the ROB bailed MKLeo out against Min Min and help him clutch out the set 3-2
- There was a local tournament MKLeo went after EVO and Smash Con where he pulled out the Chrom and went solo Chrom , and won it lmao
Byleth's Leo was insane
it is necessary to say that Lucina and Marth appeared in LMMM 2023 where both lost against Kurama, being this the last appearance of Marth, and with Corrin something similar happened since in GOML 2023 Leo tried to use her against Sonix but after losing game 1 he changed to Aegis, this being the last time he used Corrin
Seeing Leo drop all of the swordies I currently main broke my heart ngl 💔 😪
@@Spyder-Marth I hope he play corrin again
Btw Leo has taken 2 sets (at least) off of Sonix with Samus. Look up Flat Realm #6. Idk why it isn't showing up on Smashdata.
Good luck doing this for Tweek lol
And Zackray
Small note: Leo did actually beat Sonix with Samus. In Flat Realm 6, an online tournament, he beat Sonix in game 5 of grands then 3-0 in the reset, timing him out to finish it.
Considering how well Corrin did for Leo, I'm baffled why he stubbornly refuses to use her again
Yeah, she basically covers most of his bad matchups.
He said on his Twitch stream a few times that he just didn't enjoy playing her anymore, which is a pretty good reason. Even if she would garner him better results, there's no point in playing a character that you're not having fun piloting.
He's very adamant about not enjoying how she plays.
He dropped her after losing to Maister for the first time in his life
@@zerotwo8047 People keep going with this, but its just not true. He used it against Protobanham at Double Down after that and didnt use her for a good while before pulling it out against Sonix a couple times after that. Bro just prefers playing Aegis to Corrin.
He’s the reason why I picked up Byleth
Me too. I actually got to play against his byleth when he was using him. He made me realize how good byleth really is lol.
I’m sorry for your loss
No joke, pretty sure 90% of byleth players were inspired by leo
Same
Same bro
I would love to see the Joker/Byleth co-main timeline if that's something Leo feels will help him win and will make him happy.
Correction: Leo also used Ike at Pound 2019 against Salem and lost
Great video. Wish there were some sort of chart or list showing all the characters he’s played at the end. If possible data showing the amount of games he’s used each character would’ve been cool too
Great Video. Really enjoyed the recap.
Honestly though. Genghis Kahn did some hideous things, but we don't shy away from acknowledging his accomplishments. Pretty sure Nairo and Samsora weren't THAT evil. Seems a bit weird to attempt to just... erase them from smash history, no?
Like, ban them if we want to, but a win on a player that skilled is still impressive. It shouldn't be just shoved under the rug, imo.
Ok genuine question, what’s the point of not saying nairo or samsora’s names when they are already on screen?
Mkleo greninja in our hearts !
You know people and I agree that his multi-character nature is one of his weaknesses but I totally LOVE IT. It's just so awesome to see that each character had a purpose of him playing in the bracket!
A shame Leo doesn't enjoy playing Corrin. She's so good in this meta and she actually got Leo some big wins. Oh well to that one.
Marth is a character he actually enjoys but despite playing really well against top players (and taking set wins with him) Leo doesn't want to push Marth because "he bad"... which sucks because Leo was actually getting the results with the Marth/Joker duo. (Then he got bodied by Kurama even WITH Lucina so I doubt he will ever touch Marcina again).
Cloud was just a phase I assume. Meta Knight is... sort of back? But I doubt it'll last long. Roy and ROB are anomalies LOL.
Aegis got nothing but hate, but I will admit she got Leo some decent wins. If he really wants to make her work I know he can, despite people hating her.
This was a lot of fun! Would be really cool to do for Tweek as well he's also played a lot of characters
Bro Rister. You know you can say Samsora's name right? Lol
Does anyone remember that match where he played sonic? Vs a Mario
I would love to see more of Leo's Corrin and Metaknight. Also, honestly I think Leo's Samus would be a menace if he practiced her more.
Would love to see Leo pull out the Marth or Metaknight again. Just one time for the one time!
he just used a bit of meta knight against andrik to win a pre local!
He just did it at the taiwan prelocals and doubles as well
@@gearsekando7384 update, he mainly used MK at Taiwan B tier Fist Bump International!
Beat tomisa and omuatsu with it before switching to joker to beat bigboss to win :)
right after u say this, leo wins a taiwanese b tier with meta knight lmao
Didn't MKLeo use Marth against Shuton at the Scuffed World Tour in 2022?
Im really happy to see you on this channel RisterMice, really glad LG picked you up and i look forward to more commentary vids!❤
Ah, pre-Steve ultimate, good times
I like to think of the sword archetype as a toolbox, so it makes sense he dabbles in most all of them. Even Mewtwo, who isn't considered a swordie but has many sword-like qualities in his normals.
Mkleo's Corrin inspired me to pick up corrin as a secondary
You forgot about the set where Leo went wolf vs Fatality in an online tournament 🐺
Leos MetaKnight is Back
Wish we saw the Leo marth more, so clean
29:03 leo used corrin against sonix in goml 2023
leo used marth and lucina against kurama at lmmm 2023
Leo just won a decently stacked local with Meta Knight
Bro completely forgot about Let's Make Big Moves Mami, Leo used both Marth and Lucina one last time there against Kurama. Granted, he lost 3-0 to him with both counter picks, but still, there's missing data there.
Joker is way too handsome for the modern Smash Ultimate Meta!
You forgot Mkleos first main at the very first smash ultimate tournament being his Sonic
What about Leo's Sonic from the e3 invitational?
What I love about MkLeo is that he only play swordies, I'm a huge sword and knight lover.
I miss his Byleth the most, she's just the coolest looking character with the coolest moveset. But him dropping Byleth was bound to happen as Joker is simply better and more intuitive
Leo actually did use Wario at 2GG Kickoff: Kongo Saga. In Winners Semis, Leo and Gluto swapped mains for Game 1 and then afterwards they went back to their mains, and they did not do this in Grand Finals either. Gluto played Purple Joker and Leo played Red Plumber Wario
ive been an ike player since brawl so seeing my favorite player at the time play my main was the best
I just wish he enjoyed corrin. It would help with the common mus hes losing as joker with Sonic, Wario , and Mario. Aegis can do it but he tends to get cheesed so randomly as her more than anyone else
I'm pretty sure the samus counterpick worked on sonix once at flat realm 7 or 9 I forget exactly which one it was. It was a maister run online event series
MKleo's Byleth domination was insane, but for me I miss his corrin the most
He used sonic as well at smash bros invitational
did you not include the ultimate invitational?
everyone forgets that leo went greninja vs mango at the first ultimate summit lmaoo. mango did p well game 1 so leo switched to a character mango knew like next to nothing about
Leo's aegis gets alot of shit but i personally think its really cool and i hope they start racking up wins
If Leo actually wants to be the best again he would go
Joker and
Corrin
Corrin covers all his bad match ups save for Min Min which honestly Joker does fine against. He just needs to learn the match up.
Corrin is the last time he beat Sonix and Gluto. He destroyed Sparg0 with Corrin as well.
If he seriously hates playing Corrin then might as well bring back Byleth and Lucina to be the back ups to Joker.
Btw Leo just used Byleth in Taiwan pre local this week. Be interesting to see if he continues tonight as the Taiwan tournament starts 10pm eastern.
Leo used Byleth (and MK in grands) at the pre-pre-local. Leo went full MK about 12 hours ago at the single elim pre-local.
if he just stayted on joker even through the wifi phase he would prolly still be #1, but he would also be burnt tf out because the fact that he switches characters so much means he prolly doesnt find it fun to only play one character
Wifi Joker is completely different to Offline Joker unfortunately; plays WAY worse online and it prob just sucked the enjoyment out of him for awhile. Hence trying out Byleth.
Love when they showed Marss winning game 4 of smash factor lmao
Great video. Would love some leo commentary on all this
Sick video I love this!
I remembered when Leo used Chrom once at some local a few years ago
Man i feel old lol
fun fact, Leo was high when he pulled out Marth against Riddles lmao
I’ve always thought Leo should be a Joker/Corrin main. Those two cover the entire cast in terms of MU.
MKLeo? RisterMice? Instant like!
Great Video but Deadmouthing Nairo is crazy
My favorite (non-joker) character from leo is his Byleth but sadly it doesnt have a place nowadays. It worked back then because leo was miles ahead of everyone else.
Nowadays his Joker is special but every secondary is kind of lacking. The characters / players he still needs to find an answer to are gluto, tweek ,sonix, kazuya, pikachu and min-min otherwise it might be hard to break into the top 5 again
them not saying nairos name makes me smile
pretty sure the reason Leo just decided to play every character in the roster on online tournaments is because he was so good, he needed a challenge to not be bored haha
We need to see Spargo vs MKLeo characters
Their Corrins, Byleths, Roys, Agies
Then final would be Rob vs Pirahan Plant and Cloud vs Joker
That's basically all Leo's characters, sparg0 tends to copy Leo in a lot of ways. sparg0 picked up byleth when he saw what leo was doing with them, then corrin, and now roy, and he started making his gamer tag's kpop inspired as well.
Idk if this was mentioned but im pretty sure he used ROB to beat Justices minmin at Smashcon 2023 in losers
The Leo Byleth will forever be my favorite.
shoutout ristermice. couldnt have gotten a better person on the luminosity team!!! great stuff as always!
Thank You Luminosity. I love you
Fun fact: He used to use belmonts for a very, very short amount of time.
sheesh, we've had this game for a very long time now huh
i always thought leo would keep the greninja since he was cooking people online but he never did
Really good video
I think it would be fun if he used Pokemon Trainer. Just as a call back to Evo 2019-imagine him co-maining the characters from the most famous set in Ultimate history
Or him playing Fox, but that's just because I like Fox lol
you forgot Kazuya during the beginning of 2022 I believe in a set but I forgot against whom
MY GOAT!!!! And its NOT CLOSE
plz give rister mice more credit than their twitter at the bottom of the description plz plz plz
Excellent video. MkLeo content is good content. I’m going to share these facts with my Smash Bros loving friends
mkleooo
Leo went Rob vs Justice at Genesis 9
Hope that recent meta knight pick is a sign he's returning to him.
i’d lose my mind if leo worked with sheik
leo should try lucario, personally
I love the Byleth era. I think that is the only time that character will matter.
Now make a video with every character Sonix has used.
Quick note, Bonilla's nickname is a common Last Name in Mexico, it's pronounced "Bo-Knee-Ya"
The only players who comes close in terms of character diversity are tweek and Zachray.
Question, what about his Meta Knight? I was away for a short bit, so if I was covered, I apologize, but from what I saw, there wasn't any mention.
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@@juanjomaster8455 Thanks homie
I hope he plays Ridley
good luck in the next smash game
Forgot MetaKnight
I Love The Leo Byleth! Joker is awesome and all but I love the Byleth. I disagree with minmin cause she belongs in the binbin and I mean that in both games. Leo Should Pick up Yoshi for no real reason other than it would be nice :)
Dude lowkey Leo's roy might beat kola lol
Not right now but if leo starts practicing roy again he definitely could
He won heart of battle with wolf.
leoo
Leo gotta find “Forma de Leo” again or else Miya finna pass him in majors
You think so?… Leo has like 40 major tournament wins and like half of those are premier tier… those are like melee players stats like Hbox and Mang0 types that being playing the game for over a decade
@@slickricky769 Only counting majors officially listed on Liquidpedia/Smash Bros. Wiki, Leo has 24 majors, Miya has 20.
Considering Miya already has 7 majors this year compared to Leo’s 1, the only thing that can rly stop Miya from Leo is smash 6 coming out so no more ult majors
@@slickricky769 only counting official majors (A tier and above) Leo has 24, Miya has 20
And looking at the rate of them winning now (Miya has 7 in 2024, Leo has 1) the only thing that can stop Miya is smash 6
@@HenryZhoupokemon you’re right I was including smash 4 as well… I didn’t know you meant only ultimate…
@@slickricky769 lol yeah counting lifetime major wins Leo is up waaaaay up there, and he’s still the ult goat, but other top players have caught up to him skills wise for awhile now
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Holy shit it's 40 minutes