Brilliant ride from Eddery. Took the horse to the front and crossed the path of the second without the need of a stewards enquiry. One of the greatest horses ever at coming off of the pace.
I come from the Frankel generation but my Dad is Dancing Braves and even though my dad agrees Frankel is a freak he also maintains to this day that bar a couple of iffy jockey rides Dancing Brave was the best of all time. Watching these videos makes me realize the heart and fight this horse had was incredible.
Francis, some will tell you that ALL these charismatic horses have an element of "freak" about them. Arkle, Borough Hill Lad, Desert Orchid. All very different from the rest, had a unique element about them. To me, it's the joy of racing. Billions spent on breeding, and it is still unpredictable. :)
The key to understanding Dancing Brave was the quality of the fields he ran in. 1986 was probably had the deepest quality of horse in the history of British racing, maybe 10 middle distance horses in Europe better then any horse Frankel beat.
Your Dad is correct over 1.4 DB would have beaten any other horse in history he was as fast as a 5f sprinter but had great stamina to , frankel could not have got near him at 1,4
@@mikedavies9953stupid comment when Frankel's level over 12f is unknown, given he never raced over further than 1m2f. Upto that trip though, the ratings he has been allocated by official handicappers / organisations confirm there isnt a horse in history he would have had any problem 'getting near to'
Dancing Brave should have retired undefeated,he ran against a generation of horses that we will never see the likes of again horse racing was special then
went to the derby my first ! i backed dancing brave ! gutted i was, but was working at a regatta during the queen diamond with a bookies next door and he offered 7/4 on brave as he said it would never beat the derby winner!! snap his hands off !!! useless bookie showed he knew f**k all !! lol
He wss a raging hot fav in the arc he didnt have the acceleration to speed up when needed in the derby 4 ou he was flat out to make ground but couldnt untill 3 out in a substanded derby still a cracking horse
@@glenharrison4311 He was caged in on the rails and couldnt get out but his final furlong was the fastest of all time shocking ride from greville starkey
@@glenharrison4311 Not sure what your talking about DB holds the record for the fastest furlong still at epsom did you actually watch the race? Starkey buried him at the back on the rails
@@mikedavies9953 Starkey did what he was told to do, it was just unfortunate that it got extremely messy back there just before Tattenham Corner if I remember correctly.
@@pauldonohoe3646 Starkey had raced at epsom so many times he should have kept the brave out of trouble , he only needed to drop him off the pace a little not give sharastani 20 lengths
His Highness Prince Khalid Abdullah, also owns the blue hen,slightly dangerous and her champion miler son warning,commander in chief. All were superb race horses.
+Smilodon Tiger Starkey knew how to ride him too and did far more right on him than wrong. It was just one of those things in the Derby and in a smaller field when coming from the back, he wouldn't have had to have initially challenged so wide and so far up the camber, which probably cost him the race more than just the fact he was held up. Bear in mind too that it's easier to ride a horse over 12f once you already know it gets the trip, whereas Starkey had to ride Dancing Brave in the Derby on a very quirky course, having only gone as far as a mile previously.
The disrespect for Starkey over that derby ride is still living today but give me Greville Starkey over Luke Morris , Adam Kirby and any other bump jockey that rides today ! I believe Greville will always be remembered for that one ride but none the less he was an excellent jockey who carried his own very well in a decade of unbelievable jockeys Willie Carson , Lester Piggott , Pat Eddery etc the list is endless .
Eddery had a stinker here. Got bumped back on the turn in, trapped in on the rails, hit the front too soon (albeit he did not he would idle in fairness) but still won and thats what matters. Starkey rose a stinker in the Derby and got into a self caused pocket in the Eclipse 3 out. DB had no luck at times.
@@samsparrow4206 True but they would have been a great match at 10 Furlongs which was the eclipse distance but Dancing Brave had to much acceleration for any horse ive ever seen
John Mc crickick would’ve won the derby on dancing brave but it was like carrying 20 stone with starkey on it it was a time for him to shine on dancing brave but he blew it badly
@@johnrobertson6770 Big Mac would also have won on El Gran Senor but it was like carrying 20 stone with Eddery on it. It was a time for him to shine on El Gran Senor but he blew it badly.
Dancing Brave was a true great but my observations of this race suggest to me that comparing and ranking the generations is almost impossible. Triptych is a wonderful mare and she provides a fantastic yardstick. Beaten out of sight by Oh So Sharp at Epsom and a similar distance behind Reference Point in the 1987 King George compared to DB in 1986.
I remember the horses in the paddock for this race and it was obvious that Shahrastani was not going to win. He was awash with sweat looked edgy and didn't give his true running.
Tryptych was a fantastic mare true. She was last but that proves much yes however the ground she favoured was soft to heavy , in these conditions she was almost impossible to beat.
@mabbrey That's what Dick Hern did with Bustino against Grundy, unfortunately they seemed to have ignored the pacemakers this time and just let them run themselves out.
Sea Bird, was the best one and a half mile horse, Brigadier Gerard the best at a mile and a mile and a quarter No contest there. But everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that's what makes racing.
DB beat quality , Frankile beat dross. As a 4 yo, I think Frank was the greatest, but as a 3 yo he was only great and definitely gets beaten in the 2000G by DB ,Frankles 2000G is the most overrated performance in racing history.
The horse lost weight travelling to the US.Also got hit in the eye with turf during the race and was tired after a 6 month season. It was just ll too much. He nearly died not long after the Breeders cup due ti sickness. In those days they took them weeks before which they now know is the wrong thing to do. They now fly them in and race asap. Theatrical who was ahead of him in the BC was just a decent level Irish horse. A fit DB woukd of mullered Manila.
I watched Brigadier Gerard many times and apart from his defeat in the then Benson and Hedges Gold cup at York ( now the Juddmonte) he was unbeaten. However, his victory in the King George over one and half miles took a lot out of him, he was beaten by Roberto who had already won the Derby. The Brigadier v Frankel at a mile, hard to call. It's not conclusive to compare racehorses who run at different distances. You have to compare like with like. How about Harbinger, would Dancing Brave have beaten him at Ascot? I doubt it. That horse had wings that day.
Roseland Mercer: But as much as I doubt Dancing Brave would have beaten Harbinger, I don't really believe Harbinger beat anything of any real quality, especially as the favourite (his stable mate) Workforce didn't run his race, I actually believe Generous would have beat Dancing Brave and so to would have St Jovite another forgotten champion.
@@michaeldowd5545 I'm not to sure about cruising past Frankel, just a pity we didn't really see enough of that horse to ge6a more accurate assessment, would have lived to have seen what he was like over ten furlongs which could have very well been his best distance.
If Frankel and Dancing Brave were to meet at their best on good going Frankel would be favourite and would probably win. I think he would certainly win barring accident. I adore DB I love hsi glamour, his flash and his guts. I loved him when I started watching racing but Frankel is the more powerful racing horse.
Ii'm not having it, Dancing Brave would wipe the floor with Frankel and Sea the Stars and other yoke you want name. Frankel nor indeed Sea the Stars beat anything of note.There's plenty of horses i could name who would beat both of them easily.
+andrew Lewis Frankel beat horses that had won or went on to win a total of 63 Group 1 races but even if he beat nothing of note (which clearly wasn't the case) it's not so much what he beat but how he beat them I'd be interested to hear your list of plenty that would beat Frankel and Sea The Stars too and expect I can take a fair guess at some of the names but it really would be near to impossible to say either way. Until Frankel came along, I'd have said Dancing Brave was the best horse I had ever seen (I'm not including any sprinters such as Dayjur) and even now I would find it hard to split them.
+andrew Lewis Well you can't tell very well considering first I'm not new to racing and well remember when Dancing Brave was racing and secondly, I tend to find when people make remarks like you just did there, it's usually a sure sign of basically not liking what's being said if it doesn't suit your argument, but at the same time being unable to argue against it when confronted with the facts. Oh and how are you getting on with that list of horses that would "would wipe the floor with Frankel and Sea the Stars" and can we expect to see it soon?
+amazed66 If you don't know then you are clearly clueless, and have only just gotten in to racing. El Gran Senor, Zilzal, To Agora Mou, Chief Singer, Miesque, Shadeed, we're all superior to Frankle, as for Sea The Stars hahaha, plus there are far too many horses to name who would have smashed Frankel over 10f as well. Haha See The Stars hahaha, media darlings in an era were racing is followed by the C4/Racing Post crowd. I await your expert opinion, It's ok if you have never heard of these horses, you can always look on UA-cam or email C4 Racing.
Bollocks , you're talking bollocks , no horse can match STS's 3 year old career and Dancing Brave failed in the big races The Derby and the BC turf , not good enough to act as Sea the Stars pacemaker
Doesn't get any better, after 35yrs, the hair's still stand on the back of my neck, what a horse, what a jockey
What a special Horse. Legendary
Dancing Brave so majestic in winning the Arc a race full of super stars one of the greatest
The. Best. Horse. Ever. Seen
Brilliant ride from Eddery. Took the horse to the front and crossed the path of the second without the need of a stewards enquiry. One of the greatest horses ever at coming off of the pace.
the roar from the crowd when pat looks across Iconic
The one and only brave Along with the one and only pat eddery ♥️
I come from the Frankel generation but my Dad is Dancing Braves and even though my dad agrees Frankel is a freak he also maintains to this day that bar a couple of iffy jockey rides Dancing Brave was the best of all time. Watching these videos makes me realize the heart and fight this horse had was incredible.
Francis, some will tell you that ALL these charismatic horses have an element of "freak" about them. Arkle, Borough Hill Lad, Desert Orchid. All very different from the rest, had a unique element about them. To me, it's the joy of racing. Billions spent on breeding, and it is still unpredictable. :)
Always remember watching dancing brave win the arc, truely brilliant and what a turn of foot he had great horse and great memories.
The key to understanding Dancing Brave was the quality of the fields he ran in. 1986 was probably had the deepest quality of horse in the history of British racing, maybe 10 middle distance horses in Europe better then any horse Frankel beat.
Your Dad is correct over 1.4 DB would have beaten any other horse in history he was as fast as a 5f sprinter but had great stamina to , frankel could not have got near him at 1,4
@@mikedavies9953stupid comment when Frankel's level over 12f is unknown, given he never raced over further than 1m2f. Upto that trip though, the ratings he has been allocated by official handicappers / organisations confirm there isnt a horse in history he would have had any problem 'getting near to'
Dancing brave what a horse ❤
Dancing brave the greatest horse ever❤️
What a great race this was.
Those Kentucky bred horses are the best!
Pat definitely appeared to take the time to shout something over at the Choir boy r.i.p , Dancing Brave was THE BOSS
I was there that day ,it was brilliant, such a buzz. Hello to Sarah
Definitely the best horse not to win the Epsom derby through no fault of his own
I love the fact the greatest turf horse in my lifetime had ANZ blood flowing through his veins thanks to his Great Grandfather the mighty Pago Pago👌.
First time I heard Sea the Stars had anything to do with the Southern Hemisphere.
@@Hanamy7777 You wish Gerry.
Was there that day
My favourite horse
will we ever see a race full off absolute class like this again?
Not very likely with the way the big hitters (owners) of that time have now gone. I reckon Group 3 winners then would be Group 1 winners today.
6-4 what a gift from the bookies
Dancing brave never lost to sharastini since the derby
Dancing Brave should have retired undefeated,he ran against a generation of horses that we will never see the likes of again horse racing was special then
Undefeated?
went to the derby my first ! i backed dancing brave ! gutted i was, but was working at a regatta during the queen diamond with a bookies next door and he offered 7/4 on brave as he said it would never beat the derby winner!! snap his hands off !!! useless bookie showed he knew f**k all !! lol
Dancing Brave had some of the toughest horses in history against him.......and brushed them aside :)
He wss a raging hot fav in the arc he didnt have the acceleration to speed up when needed in the derby 4 ou he was flat out to make ground but couldnt untill 3 out in a substanded derby still a cracking horse
@@glenharrison4311 He was caged in on the rails and couldnt get out but his final furlong was the fastest of all time shocking ride from greville starkey
@@glenharrison4311 Not sure what your talking about DB holds the record for the fastest furlong still at epsom did you actually watch the race? Starkey buried him at the back on the rails
@@mikedavies9953 Starkey did what he was told to do, it was just unfortunate that it got extremely messy back there just before Tattenham Corner if I remember correctly.
@@pauldonohoe3646 Starkey had raced at epsom so many times he should have kept the brave out of trouble , he only needed to drop him off the pace a little not give sharastani 20 lengths
That joker Starkey in the derby.
haha look at pat eddery 2 furlongs out, looking at walter swinburn..saying.. see ya mate LMAO
Did the same thing on El Gran Senor in the Derby against Secreto remember lol
did well the brave because he was checked twice at the bends by petoski,s pacemakers and still came there swinging
His Highness Prince Khalid Abdullah, also owns the blue hen,slightly dangerous and her champion miler son warning,commander in chief. All were superb race horses.
Dancing Brave would have romped the Derby with Pat on his back
100%
@@user-be9zq5mj2tWhy? Pat Eddery didn't give El Gran Senor a particularly good race in the Derby, he wasn't immune to giving a bad ride.
RIP Pat Eddery
You knew how to ride Dancing Brave. The Derby result would have been different if you were on him.
+Smilodon Tiger Starkey knew how to ride him too and did far more right on him than wrong. It was just one of those things in the Derby and in a smaller field when coming from the back, he wouldn't have had to have initially challenged so wide and so far up the camber, which probably cost him the race more than just the fact he was held up.
Bear in mind too that it's easier to ride a horse over 12f once you already know it gets the trip, whereas Starkey had to ride Dancing Brave in the Derby on a very quirky course, having only gone as far as a mile previously.
Easy when you know he stays a mile and a half , poor Greville had his life ruined after the Derby
The disrespect for Starkey over that derby ride is still living today but give me Greville Starkey over Luke Morris , Adam Kirby and any other bump jockey that rides today ! I believe Greville will always be remembered for that one ride but none the less he was an excellent jockey who carried his own very well in a decade of unbelievable jockeys Willie Carson , Lester Piggott , Pat Eddery etc the list is endless .
Eddery had a stinker here. Got bumped back on the turn in, trapped in on the rails, hit the front too soon (albeit he did not he would idle in fairness) but still won and thats what matters. Starkey rose a stinker in the Derby and got into a self caused pocket in the Eclipse 3 out. DB had no luck at times.
That power house son to lyphard and Navajo princess by drone.
The scarey thing about this race is that peak enable would have finished 5th of she was lucky.
LEGEND !! , DANCING BRAVE VS BRIGADIER GERARD NOW THAT WOULD BE A RACE !!
Dancing brave wasn’t a miler & brigadier Gerard wasn’t a 1m 4f horse
@samsparrow who gives a fuck !! Still be a good race? You fuckin bellend
truth seeker exactly there’s some clueless people though who can’t see that
@@samsparrow4206 True but they would have been a great match at 10 Furlongs which was the eclipse distance but Dancing Brave had to much acceleration for any horse ive ever seen
@@samsparrow4206He pissed up in the Guineas but he wasn't a miler🤔😂 Dancing Brave was everything.
I wish there was a Group 1 race over 1m3f
I have always thought that if Pat Eddery had been on Dancing Brave in the Derby it would have won
John Mc crickick would’ve won the derby on dancing brave but it was like carrying 20 stone with starkey on it it was a time for him to shine on dancing brave but he blew it badly
@@johnrobertson6770 Big Mac would also have won on El Gran Senor but it was like carrying 20 stone with Eddery on it. It was a time for him to shine on El Gran Senor but he blew it badly.
Scintillating .Pushes his Arc real close .
Dancing Brave was a true great but my observations of this race suggest to me that comparing and ranking the generations is almost impossible. Triptych is a wonderful mare and she provides a fantastic yardstick. Beaten out of sight by Oh So Sharp at Epsom and a similar distance behind Reference Point in the 1987 King George compared to DB in 1986.
I remember the horses in the paddock for this race and it was obvious that Shahrastani was not going to win. He was awash with sweat looked edgy and didn't give his true running.
@@frankschlanker True but he did run a great race in the arc later that year but was still nowhere near good enough to get near DB
Tryptych was a fantastic mare true. She was last but that proves much yes however the ground she favoured was soft to heavy , in these conditions she was almost impossible to beat.
Yes I agree should have never been beaten what a turn of foot it’s a pity Pat never rode him in derby❤
I still can't believe Sharastani was made favourite
@Kevinkenny
Why not? He looked great when he won the Irish Derby.
hi can you help with footage
from 1982 of a horse called brondesbury
won 6 races trained by bill o,gorman
please help bye
Lost twice going left handed
What were the jockeys on the pacemakers playing at?
2 pacemakers !
@mabbrey
That's what Dick Hern did with Bustino against Grundy, unfortunately they seemed to have ignored the pacemakers this time and just let them run themselves out.
Gee the second was a good horse
Khalid abdulla bot dancing brave for 220, k &,was worth 14 million
Dancing Brave was beaten in the Derby so he couldn't retire unbeaten
Sea Bird, was the best one and a half mile horse, Brigadier Gerard the best at a mile and a mile and a quarter No contest there. But everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that's what makes racing.
And where is Ribot? Undefeated. Won the King George.. And won Arc de Triomphe twice..
GF did not have a career. Could quite easily have been a 120s horse. Plenty win the Derby well and dont go on.
Agreed when the Prince himself says Frankel is the best he's had you have to listen,
Frankel wasn't even the best miler. The brigadier was.
They always say the latest horse is the best they've had. It's promotion for the 💲💲💲💲💲 Almost every year AOB says he has the best horse he's ever had.
Do you always believe what you read mate?
DB beat quality , Frankile beat dross. As a 4 yo, I think Frank was the greatest, but as a 3 yo he was only great and definitely gets beaten in the 2000G by DB ,Frankles 2000G is the most overrated performance in racing history.
What happened to him in America???
The horse lost weight travelling to the US.Also got hit in the eye with turf during the race and was tired after a 6 month season. It was just ll too much. He nearly died not long after the Breeders cup due ti sickness. In those days they took them weeks before which they now know is the wrong thing to do. They now fly them in and race asap. Theatrical who was ahead of him in the BC was just a decent level Irish horse. A fit DB woukd of mullered Manila.
I watched Brigadier Gerard many times and apart from his defeat in the then Benson and Hedges Gold cup at York ( now the Juddmonte) he was unbeaten. However, his victory in the King George over one and half miles took a lot out of him, he was beaten by Roberto who had already won the Derby. The Brigadier v Frankel at a mile, hard to call. It's not conclusive to compare racehorses who run at different distances. You have to compare like with like. How about Harbinger, would Dancing Brave have beaten him at Ascot? I doubt it. That horse had wings that day.
Roseland Mercer:
But as much as I doubt Dancing Brave would have beaten Harbinger, I don't really believe Harbinger beat anything of any real quality, especially as the favourite (his stable mate) Workforce didn't run his race, I actually believe Generous would have beat Dancing Brave and so to would have St Jovite another forgotten champion.
El Gran Senor, best European miler of all time.
He would have cruised past Frankel in the 2000 Guineas up the hill.
Dr Fager best miler of all time.
@@nightowl7459 I loved Generous but he wouldn't have compared to the Brave
@@michaeldowd5545 El Gran Senor was the third best behind The Brave and Frankel
@@michaeldowd5545 I'm not to sure about cruising past Frankel, just a pity we didn't really see enough of that horse to ge6a more accurate assessment, would have lived to have seen what he was like over ten furlongs which could have very well been his best distance.
If Frankel and Dancing Brave were to meet at their best on good going Frankel would be favourite and would probably win. I think he would certainly win barring accident. I adore DB I love hsi glamour, his flash and his guts. I loved him when I started watching racing but Frankel is the more powerful racing horse.
How can you compare Frankel and Dancing Brave ? Frankel was a miler, 1m 2 while Dancing Brave was really a 1m 4 horse .
At even 10 furlongs Dancing Brave would have destroyed Frankel
Ii'm not having it, Dancing Brave would wipe the floor with Frankel and Sea the Stars and other yoke you want name. Frankel nor indeed Sea the Stars beat anything of note.There's plenty of horses i could name who would beat both of them easily.
+andrew Lewis Frankel beat horses that had won or went on to win a total of 63 Group 1 races but even if he beat nothing of note (which clearly wasn't the case) it's not so much what he beat but how he beat them
I'd be interested to hear your list of plenty that would beat Frankel and Sea The Stars too and expect I can take a fair guess at some of the names but it really would be near to impossible to say either way.
Until Frankel came along, I'd have said Dancing Brave was the best horse I had ever seen (I'm not including any sprinters such as Dayjur) and even now I would find it hard to split them.
+amazed66 Your new to racing, I can tell, stick to CH4 racing chief.
+andrew Lewis Well you can't tell very well considering first I'm not new to racing and well remember when Dancing Brave was racing and secondly, I tend to find when people make remarks like you just did there, it's usually a sure sign of basically not liking what's being said if it doesn't suit your argument, but at the same time being unable to argue against it when confronted with the facts.
Oh and how are you getting on with that list of horses that would "would wipe the floor with Frankel and Sea the Stars" and can we expect to see it soon?
+amazed66 If you don't know then you are clearly clueless, and have only just gotten in to racing. El Gran Senor, Zilzal, To Agora Mou, Chief Singer, Miesque, Shadeed, we're all superior to Frankle, as for Sea The Stars hahaha, plus there are far too many horses to name who would have smashed Frankel over 10f as well. Haha See The Stars hahaha, media darlings in an era were racing is followed by the C4/Racing Post crowd. I await your expert opinion, It's ok if you have never heard of these horses, you can always look on UA-cam or email C4 Racing.
Bollocks , you're talking bollocks , no horse can match STS's 3 year old career and Dancing Brave failed in the big races The Derby and the BC turf , not good enough to act as Sea the Stars pacemaker
Until Frankel