Proper knowledgeable folks in them days , I was just a kid watching the racing with my dad but the commentator stuck with me for a lifetime noone calls a race like he did , ITV racing is just a circus now
What a fantastic time it was to start watching and backing horses, Dancing Brave is still my all time favourite. What a horse and what a time the 80s was. ❤
Yep. Cricket and Horse Racing on the BBC. The commentators were top class. Channel 4 racing took the job seriously too, so many characters, laughter. I recall Julian Wilson was interviewed by the Channel 4 racing once once. All gone now.
IMO Dancing Brave the greatest horse ever over 1.4 , People forget how highly Sharastani was rated after winning the Irish Derby and Epsom Derby, yes he didnt run his race here, but run a great race in the Arc only to run into the legend that was Dancing Brave at his very best
Superb coverage - thanks for uploading! The Ascot parade ring looks magnificent there, all grass. Stoute seems much more comfortable being interviewed back then. Surprising to think that in his early days in Britain he auditioned for the job of BBC racing correspondent but lost out to Julian Wilson.
The eighties were good but the seventies were better. Prog rock bands were at their creative peak and my all-time hero: Red Rum got three firsts and two seconds in the Grand National.
@Ericbullock Unfortunately I fear it's much too late, they have gone past the point of no return, it's all about squeezing in as many adverts as possible and as many races as possible with presenters who have more ego than knowledge, looking good in front of the camera rather than knowing what they are talking about is now more important to producers.
@@HorseRacingLegends YES this equality crap gets on my nerves! As a person of colour, getting Ken Pitterson on ITV just to add diversity is rubbish! Probably a nice guy but knows “Jack” about horses. Dare anyone to go up against Framcome, Scott, Oaksey, Pitman and O Sullivan. Those gents are Legends in my eyes!
There are certain events in history, some tragic,some memorable for good reasons, where people know where they were when it happened or they found out. This is one of those moments where everyone can remember what bookies they were in or where they watched it when The Brave won !!
Well said. Even more so the Arc de Triomphe. I have no connection with the Brave. Except that he inspired me more than any other horse. But even I still hurt for the horse all these years later after the Derby scenario. Never mind that guy Harwood hurts. Many people still remember the injustice. But Shahrastani was a deserving winner and it didn't take the shine off Dancing Braves Greatness. No horse born since 1983 could have beaten Dancing Brave over 12 F. Absolutely none.
Also the fact that they all bang on about Frankel but he couldn't do what the brave did over 1.4 m but the brave definitely could have done what frankfl did .
Brings a tear to the eye watching this, life was great in the 80's and racing at the top of the tree. Compere to today and all the crap going on and racings demise as a minority sport as it soon will be.
@@HorseRacingLegends Yes I was there that day and at Paris for the Arc, what a horse and my favourite flat horse of all time. Thanks for these videos as they bring a lot of pleasure to those of a certain age and hopefully for younger fans.
I was there at Ascot and having been lucky enough to back Shahrastani at 5/1 to win the Derby I knew he would never beat Dancing Brave again and lumped on Pat Eddery when he was the chosen jockey to partner him and won a small fortune that day and also in the Arc at Longchamp with a serious hit at 5/2 t beat the French unbeaten champion Bering and I was there to cheer him on also!
Not Greville's finest hour at Epsom but I was at Epsom in 1978 and it took a special ride from him to get Shirley Heights up to beat Hawaiian Sound and Bill Shoemaker .Shame he lost the ride on Dancing Brave .
@@HorseRacingLegends Ferdinand and Bill Shoemaker at Churchill Downs, Bonecrusher and Our Waverly Star at Moonee Valley fought a 2 horse war and Dancing Brave showed his stuff in Europe.
A remarkable jockey. I was always slightly confused that for the last 7 or 8 years of his career he was often overlooked by big stables for the prestige races, John Dunlop excepted. Perhaps that back injury he had an operation on was a reason for it.
An absolutely brilliant video! A vintage field in the days when the King George was a great race. And what marvellous BBC coverage! Peter O'Sullevan and Julian Wilson commentating legends, and what a paddock masterclass from the late, great Jimmy Lindley! His form guide was so detailed and informative! How different from the likes of Francesca Cumani walking alongside a horse (what's the point of that!) talking plenty but telling us nothing!
Classic stuff and coverage by the BBC, so much more professional than the dross we have to put up with today and what we have endured for a great number of years now 🤢🤮
After watching the Irish Derby, you knew Sharastani wasn't going to win. I listened to this race on the radio, while ripping out old rotton window frames at the grand old age of 19.
Sharastani won the Irish Derby by 8 lengths after winning the Derby at Epsom. There was no way bookies would've made DB odds on. Yes, I backed DB at 6/4, but the form up to the KG made Sharastani rock solid. Bookies used to price up a lot of races incorrectly back in the day, but it's all a matter of opinion.
That look over his shoulder 1 1/2 furlongs out said it all .. 😄 I imagine that was like a knife in Grevilles guts though 🤷♂️. I agreed with Jimmy Lyndley that Triptych was a great EW bet ✊ 👍🏴
@@jaymacgee_A_Bawbag_Blethering I like Starkey. But he kind of deserved it. If the Derby ride wasn't bad enough, he let Triptych cut him up and get first run in him in the Eclipse. Luckily the colts electrifying burst of speed got greville out of trouble that day.
@@grahammonro6500 that’s fair and balanced Graham ✊… I never took to Greville .. he makes Ryan Moore sound like a cheery chatterbox .. Taciturn is the word I’m looking for 😄 👍🏴
I always felt a little for Petoski, he was never as good as a four year old than he was a three year old after getting injured but such a lovely strong looking individual.
Yes one of my best.The average viewing time on my 30 minute Videos is about 6 Minutes.People skip through all the good stuff.Makes no difference to me as this is not a Monetized Channel but they are missing out.
I’m one if the ones who enjoys the extended coverage , this is a great one - nice to see my old acquaintance Brian his groom again . Guy Harwood was right to be so confident and fair play to him for being so diplomatic about Starkey being bumped after Epsom and not directly blaming him - which myself and every other Tom Dick and Harry def did .. 👀 Great vid 🍻 👍🏴 👍🏴
Given how unlucky Dancing Brave was in the Derby I’m stunned looking back seeing he didn’t go off fav for this race. No way he wouldn’t be a shade of odds on if it had been today.
I gave an extended , thoughtful comment and it immediately disappeared 🤬.. fk it ! Suffice to say , great vid , thanks for extended upload which I enjoy 👍🏴
@@HorseRacingLegends sorry , I never meant to suggest you did it , it happens now n again with my phone , I subscribe to a music reaction channel and once in a blue moon it also happens there too , it’s super frustrating though as I do reflect and like to go through stuff as you know . No it’s a combination of UA-cam bots 🤖 and maybe my tricky phone 🤬… apologies 🙏 👍🏴
And they also did the same thing to greville Starkey with ela mana mou who was eventually moved to dick herns stable and willie Carson ended up riding the horse.
Dancing brave and Vaguely Noble when he won the Observer gold cup now The Futurity were the best horses I have ever seen live, never saw Sea Bird but he was obviously a super star.
@@HorseRacingLegends that was literally the 1st thing I asked that Brian once I’d verified he wasn’t BS’ing about his previous career . “ did you get rich off DB ? “.. they all had ante post vouchers for the Guineas from the previous autumn Yes 👏 😀 👍🏴
I’m watching recorded racing from Sandown from 2 weeks ago and a filly has just went round the parade ring called Doha .. wait for this for star studded parents !! Sea the Stars and Treve !!! 🤯 Ffs 3 Arcs a Derby and 2000 guineas between them !!.. for PHOOKS sake that’s the definition of bred in the Purple ! 😳 👍🏴 ( finished 2nd in a Grp 3 wearing Treves colours )
Greville did nothing wrong at Epsom and it had to be Walter who capitalised on the unfortunate run of Dancing Brave. The Choirboy was always in the right place at the right time and remains one of the real master tacticians. Perfect positional awareness and the kindest hands.. Hey wasnt this more laid back, soothing and classy than what the buffoon Chapman etc give us now.. Lovely dulcet tones of these old school racing pundits voices.. Feeling quite nostalgic and absolutely certain, nothing in how racing is served up, has improved, in a long time.. Odd enough seeing miler Triptich running over 12 furongs. Odder still running on and finishing well to grab 3rd... I think she achieved the same in Dancing Braves Arc. Some horse that and what a golden era
1986 Hardwicke States winner Dihistan a 100/1 pacemaker here. Its important to remembr Eddery was a substitute and Starkey returned for the Select Stakes before he lost the ride. That might be part of the reason why Eddery doesnt cite DB as the best he has ridden. Also Eddery and Harwood didnt seem to hit it off
Great coverage - take note ITV !! No gimmicks such as how a jockey gets ready for a race. No excruciating puns as the horse crosses the winning line. No clueless bints more worried about what they are wearing rather than focusing on the horses. No idiotic childish presenters trying to be funny or score pathetic points with each other. No “home schooling” wtf is all that about? Don’t try telling me that you are trying to broaden the audience. You either love horse racing or you don’t- you don’t need to be incentivised with bullshit. Racing will survive without your puerile efforts.
Dancing Brave was the best. IMO better than Frankel as DB won over 1m, 1.25m and 1.5 miles. Why Frankel is rated better I’ll never know. When I watched Dancing Brave win the 2000 Guineas I said to myself “I think that’s the best horse I’ve ever seen”. And so it proved.
watching the race , i dont see what the point of those 2 pacemakers? They were both racing against each other lol. 1 of them should of dropped off a length and taken the pace a bit further on.
People saying great commentary but O'Sullivan wasn't that good in the 80s and dreadful towards the end of his career. He didn't even mention the cocky glance fron Pat Eddery just after the 2
All Hail the king❤ the best of my life time . Always felt a bit of sadness for Shahrastani as he was a top notch colt , but the headlines were always his “lucky “ Derby victory . DB was just in a different league not many can claim to have been in. Great race , wasn’t surprised by Shardari running so well , either. Triptych ❤running another stormer and big Petoski would have made a nice staying chase one day😂
@@HorseRacingLegends He was a decent 2yo , and his KG win was unexpected given the class in the race (I thought Rainbow Quest was a shoe-in) but there was times he looked slower than a 3mile chaser , especially in the. Chester Vase behind Law Society 🐌
I know there is only one derby but once Starkey saw it was gone he should have coasted home and kept dancing brave for another day I think he took a lot out of the horse giving him a hard race when he'd no chance of catching Swinburne on sharastani I actually liked Grenville Starkey as a jockey he must have had nightmares over that derby 😳 he was some horse dancing brave but just imagine how good golden fleece was he came from as far back as dancing brave and still won doing hand stands it was a tragedy he died of cancer before he had really started his stud career 😮
WTF was Starkey up to I know it wasn't his fault he got so far back but he had such a great horse under him he should have been able to improve before sharastani got the first run on him
What a horse... Rip Pat Eddery and Walter Swinburn.
Yes 2-Legends.
@@HorseRacingLegendsabsolute tragedy! R.I.P pat and Walter! God bless ❤
@darrenremington6422 Yes Wonderful Jockeys.
This is how racing should b3 covered , the great days when the BBC covered racing.
Agreed.
Racing commentary and build up like it should be.... No screaming or shouting just pure excellence.
Yes this is World Class.
Proper knowledgeable folks in them days , I was just a kid watching the racing with my dad but the commentator stuck with me for a lifetime noone calls a race like he did , ITV racing is just a circus now
Since the racing coverage left the channel4atr team it's absolutely abysmal imho!
These really were halcyon days indeed. ✋️🇬🇧👏
@mcvicarross7 Yes agreed.
@mcvicarross7 Agreed.
What a fantastic time it was to start watching and backing horses, Dancing Brave is still my all time favourite. What a horse and what a time the 80s was. ❤
Yes unbelievable Horses.
My all time favourite too!
wish we could have these days back was great back then loved racing.
Couldn't agree more
Racing at its best great coverage different class compared to now.
Totally agree
The voice of racing Peter O Sulivan.
Indeed.
Absolutely loved this era of racing unforgettable all the great horses and jockeys
Yes the best ever for sure.
Days when the world was great, not anymore.
Agreed.
The voice of jimmy lindley could listen all day
Me too.
Like a bar of Galaxy 😊
Bbc horse racing was wonderful back in the day, before everything became dumbed down. Sadly a sign of the times.
Agreed.We were spoiled.
Yep. Cricket and Horse Racing on the BBC. The commentators were top class. Channel 4 racing took the job seriously too, so many characters, laughter. I recall Julian Wilson was interviewed by the Channel 4 racing once once. All gone now.
@rangewarwick Yes very sad.
Before the BBC joined the Labour Party.
😂 bore off @@joegreen2750
Absolutely brilliant tv coverage 👏 👏👏, great champion and what a race shadari ran .
Yes he was the second string as well.He went on to win The Matchmaker at York.
Wow what commentary in those days , it made your hair stand on end , fantastic .
Glad you enjoyed it
IMO Dancing Brave the greatest horse ever over 1.4 , People forget how highly Sharastani was rated after winning the Irish Derby and Epsom Derby, yes he didnt run his race here, but run a great race in the Arc only to run into the legend that was Dancing Brave at his very best
Yes 2 Great Horses.
The 80s had to go to Dancing Brave followed by Nashwan imo two crackerjack horses 🌟
@chrisgilbody2573 Yes I would agree with you.
Superb coverage - thanks for uploading! The Ascot parade ring looks magnificent there, all grass. Stoute seems much more comfortable being interviewed back then. Surprising to think that in his early days in Britain he auditioned for the job of BBC racing correspondent but lost out to Julian Wilson.
Glad you enjoyed it yes interviews in recent Years were a chore for him.
My favourite and the best. This King George was an exceptional race as was the Guineas and The Arc. He beat superb horses.
He definitely Did.
that was a fantastic watch, like having a bacon sandwich for breakfast, ham on crust rolls for lunch, and fish and chips for dinner.
Thank you so much.Great analysis
Eighties the decade for music and racing.
Agreed.
The eighties were good but the seventies were better. Prog rock bands were at their creative peak and my all-time hero: Red Rum got three firsts and two seconds in the Grand National.
@112sje Yes can’t beat a bit of Focus or Wishbone Ash.
@@HorseRacingLegends Nothing wrong with them but Genesis were my favourites !
@112sje Yes Class.
DB is the GOAT for me. Mill Reef, BG, Shergar, EGS, Frankel in the group behind him.
Great Horses all of them.
Brilliant, thanks for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it
Watch and learn ITV racing! Probably too late💔
Yes definitely
@Ericbullock
Unfortunately I fear it's much too late, they have gone past the point of no return, it's all about squeezing in as many adverts as possible and as many races as possible with presenters who have more ego than knowledge, looking good in front of the camera rather than knowing what they are talking about is now more important to producers.
@@Thomas-vg8ov well said sir!
Yes all,Woke Snowflakes.
@@HorseRacingLegends YES this equality crap gets on my nerves! As a person of colour, getting Ken Pitterson on ITV just to add diversity is rubbish! Probably a nice guy but knows “Jack” about horses. Dare anyone to go up against Framcome, Scott, Oaksey, Pitman and O Sullivan. Those gents are Legends in my eyes!
There are certain events in history, some tragic,some memorable for good reasons, where people know where they were when it happened or they found out. This is one of those moments where everyone can remember what bookies they were in or where they watched it when The Brave won !!
Great memories
Well said. Even more so the Arc de Triomphe. I have no connection with the Brave. Except that he inspired me more than any other horse. But even I still hurt for the horse all these years later after the Derby scenario. Never mind that guy Harwood hurts. Many people still remember the injustice. But Shahrastani was a deserving winner and it didn't take the shine off Dancing Braves Greatness. No horse born since 1983 could have beaten Dancing Brave over 12 F. Absolutely none.
The Derby wasn’t the best all and end all.He Won better races anyway.
The greatest DancingBrave❤️
My fav horse and won the Arc with such a high class field .Went past unbeaten bearing like he was standing stil ❤
Also the fact that they all bang on about Frankel but he couldn't do what the brave did over 1.4 m but the brave definitely could have done what frankfl did .
Yes unbelievable
We will never know if Frankel could have done that but he was a great horse all the same.When you say they.They never asked me.
Brings a tear to the eye watching this, life was great in the 80's and racing at the top of the tree. Compere to today and all the crap going on and racings demise as a minority sport as it soon will be.
Hope you enjoyed it.Yes this is in a different league to what’s going on Just now
@@HorseRacingLegends Yes I was there that day and at Paris for the Arc, what a horse and my favourite flat horse of all time. Thanks for these videos as they bring a lot of pleasure to those of a certain age and hopefully for younger fans.
@@bigdunc101 Lovely words much appreciated
Absolutely agree with you 💯%. So sad but so so true.
@bigdunc101 Younger Fans not interested I’m afraid.From Stats on my Channel 3 per cent are under 25.
I was there at Ascot and having been lucky enough to back Shahrastani at 5/1 to win the Derby I knew he would never beat Dancing Brave again and lumped on Pat Eddery when he was the chosen jockey to partner him and won a small fortune that day and also in the Arc at Longchamp with a serious hit at 5/2 t beat the French unbeaten champion Bering and I was there to cheer him on also!
Get in there Andrew ✊
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@@jaymacgee_A_Bawbag_Blethering he and El Gran Señor were without doubt the best 2 Derby horses who were beaten in the race when they should have won!
@@andrewevzona2876 I’m my lifetime I thoroughly agree 👏
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@@andrewevzona2876 Isn't it strange though, that you hear a lot of people say that if Pat Edderry was on Dancing Brave he would have won the Derby.
@@pauldonohoe3646 indeed and Lester Piggott would have won on him also!
Not Greville's finest hour at Epsom but I was at Epsom in 1978 and it took a special ride from him to get Shirley Heights up to beat Hawaiian Sound and Bill Shoemaker .Shame he lost the ride on Dancing Brave .
Yes he won The Eclipse on him after The Derby and he was on again at Goodwood for his arc trial.
@@HorseRacingLegends Shadari was unlucky on the day to bump into Dancing Brave . The distance they pulled clear he would have won 90% of KG's
1986 what a year for racing so much happening
Yes it was definitely
@@HorseRacingLegends Ferdinand and Bill Shoemaker at Churchill Downs, Bonecrusher and Our Waverly Star at Moonee Valley fought a 2 horse war and Dancing Brave showed his stuff in Europe.
@Itriedtobe-wq9lj Great Words thank you.
@Itriedtobe-wq9lj Great Words thank you.
Probably one of the greatest flat jockeys ever, Pat eddery.
Yes without question
A remarkable jockey. I was always slightly confused that for the last 7 or 8 years of his career he was often overlooked by big stables for the prestige races, John Dunlop excepted. Perhaps that back injury he had an operation on was a reason for it.
Yes that’s possible.I don’t think he rode any less better.
What a race. I loved it when the great Pat Eddery looked over to the equally great Walter Swinburn and just kinda said NOW WATCH THIS. EPIC.
That look Pat Eddery gave Swinburne as he flew passed him 🤣
Yes he came there with aplomb
Shame Sharastani didn't turn up that day. Fair play to Pat and the Brave tho 😍
@@michaelcummins294So true, it was something of a hollow revenge, it clear wasn't the same Sharastani that had won both Derbies.
Yes he ran to form in the Arc I think though.
Back in the days when the bbc were impartial and had a sports programme.
Yes they were world class.
Peter O'sullivan & Julian Wilson...👍👍👍
The Best.
Brilliant coverage for a Brilliant horse backed the dancer in all the top races and then in the greatest of races the Arc
Agreed.
An absolutely brilliant video! A vintage field in the days when the King George was a great race. And what marvellous BBC coverage! Peter O'Sullevan and Julian Wilson commentating legends, and what a paddock masterclass from the late, great Jimmy Lindley! His form guide was so detailed and informative! How different from the likes of Francesca Cumani walking alongside a horse (what's the point of that!) talking plenty but telling us nothing!
Glad you enjoyed it.Yes She’s better looking than Jimmy to be fair.
Classic stuff and coverage by the BBC, so much more professional than the dross we have to put up with today and what we have endured for a great number of years now 🤢🤮
Agreed.
When racing was pure class
Yes different gravy.
After watching the Irish Derby, you knew Sharastani wasn't going to win.
I listened to this race on the radio, while ripping out old rotton window frames at the grand old age of 19.
How did you come to that conclusion.?
Can't believe the brave wasn't odds on for this.A machine.
Yes unbelievable
Sharastani won the Irish Derby by 8 lengths after winning the Derby at Epsom. There was no way bookies would've made DB odds on. Yes, I backed DB at 6/4, but the form up to the KG made Sharastani rock solid. Bookies used to price up a lot of races incorrectly back in the day, but it's all a matter of opinion.
@digeme69 Yes agreed.
Commentating at its best.
Agreed.
That look over his shoulder 1 1/2 furlongs out said it all .. 😄
I imagine that was like a knife in Grevilles guts though 🤷♂️.
I agreed with Jimmy Lyndley that Triptych was a great EW bet ✊
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Yes it was all over at that point and loved the way Pat pushed him into that gap just before the straight.
@@HorseRacingLegends must’ve been a great feeling for Pat as he was under the most enormous pressure for that ride I seem to recall
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@@jaymacgee_A_Bawbag_Blethering I like Starkey. But he kind of deserved it. If the Derby ride wasn't bad enough, he let Triptych cut him up and get first run in him in the Eclipse. Luckily the colts electrifying burst of speed got greville out of trouble that day.
Yes he would have relished the prospect I bet.
@@grahammonro6500 that’s fair and balanced Graham ✊… I never took to Greville .. he makes Ryan Moore sound like a cheery chatterbox .. Taciturn is the word I’m looking for 😄
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Absolutely unbelievable that DB won this at 6-4. This is the time we should of all bet like men.
Yes that’s a famous saying that is.
Like city of troy in America 🙏🙏🙏🙏
I always felt a little for Petoski, he was never as good as a four year old than he was a three year old after getting injured but such a lovely strong looking individual.
Yes he was a cracking Horse.
great upload well done legend
Yes one of my best.The average viewing time on my 30 minute Videos is about 6 Minutes.People skip through all the good stuff.Makes no difference to me as this is not a Monetized Channel but they are missing out.
@@HorseRacingLegends you are doing a great job no channel like yours out there
@mabbrey Thank you so much.Appreciated.
I’m one if the ones who enjoys the extended coverage , this is a great one - nice to see my old acquaintance Brian his groom again .
Guy Harwood was right to be so confident and fair play to him for being so diplomatic about Starkey being bumped after Epsom and not directly blaming him - which myself and every other Tom Dick and Harry def did .. 👀
Great vid 🍻
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@jaymacgee_A_Bawbag_Blethering Is this the one you mean.Its here ok for sure.
Given how unlucky Dancing Brave was in the Derby I’m stunned looking back seeing he didn’t go off fav for this race. No way he wouldn’t be a shade of odds on if it had been today.
Shahrastani was very impressive in Ireland and that’s the answer.
I gave an extended , thoughtful comment and it immediately disappeared 🤬.. fk it !
Suffice to say , great vid , thanks for extended upload which I enjoy
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I never removed it Jay.No chance I would do that.What Video was it on and I’ll check it out.Maybe it never came through.
@@HorseRacingLegends sorry , I never meant to suggest you did it , it happens now n again with my phone , I subscribe to a music reaction channel and once in a blue moon it also happens there too , it’s super frustrating though as I do reflect and like to go through stuff as you know . No it’s a combination of UA-cam bots 🤖 and maybe my tricky phone 🤬… apologies 🙏
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@jaymacgee_A_Bawbag_Blethering If it’s the one with Brian The Stable Lad it’s still there.
@@HorseRacingLegends 🤯.. yes it is , but I couldn’t see it once I’d sent it 🤷♂️
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@jaymacgee_A_Bawbag_Blethering Yes there are a few Fanny comments I do remove but never yours.100 pc no chance of that.
i Remember it Well
Hope you enjoyed it.
a true great and the same goes for the jockey.The golden days of racing
Yes agreed.
Good old days 👍👍🇬🇧🐎🐎
Agreed.
Dancing Brave was to me the best racehorse ever unquestionably should have won the Derby and his Arc win WOW.
Yes unbelievable
And they also did the same thing to greville Starkey with ela mana mou who was eventually moved to dick herns stable and willie Carson ended up riding the horse.
Yes that had to happen really.
Dancing brave and Vaguely Noble when he won the Observer gold cup now The Futurity were the best horses I have ever seen live, never saw Sea Bird but he was obviously a super star.
You were lucky to see them.Sounds amazing.
Quality Field
Yes definitely
The brave got checked on the bend by the pacemakers as well. When racing wasgood
Yes Pat had to push him a bit forward
Dancing Brave was unlucky/bad ride in the derby , and he proved it , by beating Sharastani twice subsequently , in spectacular fashion .
Shahrastani was a brilliant horse, he just came up against one of the greats of all time.
He definitely did.
Greville starkey should have kept the ride on dancing brave, because guy Harwood didn't agree with what was done to g. Starkey.
I agree with you.He was injured and missed Ascot but was replaced for the arc.
4 me pat eddery the greatest jockey & horseman ever, listen 2 that crowd
Yes an amazing reception
Great times dancing brave super horse especially the way he won the arc de triomphe
Yes definitely
I know I backed Dancing Brave in this race - SOOooo confident , but I did NOT remember he wasn’t even favourite 🤯.. bargain !!! 😀
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Yes Sharastani was really impressive in Ireland but Harwood wouldn’t hear of defeat.I bet all the Stable were on too Jay.
@@HorseRacingLegends that was literally the 1st thing I asked that Brian once I’d verified he wasn’t BS’ing about his previous career . “ did you get rich off DB ? “.. they all had ante post vouchers for the Guineas from the previous autumn Yes 👏
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Brilliant Story Jay.He was some Horse.Wish they had never sent him to that Breeders Cup Race.
@@HorseRacingLegends abs 💯 agreed ✊
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Can’t bare to watch it.
Pat and brave my favorites
Great Choice
I’m watching recorded racing from Sandown from 2 weeks ago and a filly has just went round the parade ring called Doha .. wait for this for star studded parents !!
Sea the Stars and Treve !!! 🤯
Ffs 3 Arcs a Derby and 2000 guineas between them !!..
for PHOOKS sake that’s the definition of bred in the Purple !
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( finished 2nd in a Grp 3 wearing Treves colours )
Jeez oh that’s definitely one to watch out for Jay.Will stick it in my Tracker.
@@HorseRacingLegends for sure 👍
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Wow! Bromley on the Derby comms. Does anyone know if Bromley ever did the 86 Arc?
I don’t think he did.
Difficult to believe Shahrastani started favourite against Dancing Brave after the Epsom evidence
He was impressive in Ireland
shame shahrastani couldnt replicate his irish derby form
Yes he left the King George in Ireland winning so far.
THE GREAT PETER O SULLIVAN, AND JIMMY LINDLEY.
Yes both amazing.
Greville did nothing wrong at Epsom and it had to be Walter who capitalised on the unfortunate run of Dancing Brave. The Choirboy was always in the right place at the right time and remains one of the real master tacticians. Perfect positional awareness and the kindest hands.. Hey wasnt this more laid back, soothing and classy than what the buffoon Chapman etc give us now.. Lovely dulcet tones of these old school racing pundits voices.. Feeling quite nostalgic and absolutely certain, nothing in how racing is served up, has improved, in a long time.. Odd enough seeing miler Triptich running over 12 furongs. Odder still running on and finishing well to grab 3rd... I think she achieved the same in Dancing Braves Arc. Some horse that and what a golden era
Thanks for that and yes Triptych ran well in The Arc too.Much appreciated
1986 Hardwicke States winner Dihistan a 100/1 pacemaker here. Its important to remembr Eddery was a substitute and Starkey returned for the Select Stakes before he lost the ride. That might be part of the reason why Eddery doesnt cite DB as the best he has ridden. Also Eddery and Harwood didnt seem to hit it off
I never knew they didn’t get on.Thank you for that.
Pat did say he was the best he ever rode .
@keithblack1336 Yes along with Golden Fleece and El Gran Senor.
THE BEST HORSE NOT TO WIN THE DERBY.
Along with El Gran Senor.
BBC with sir pter o sullivan snd julian wilson was top draw and pleasure too watch these day s chamberljn and riff raff have ruined racing
100 PC Agree with you.
What makes you say that? I did watch back then, but was a bit young to really take it in.
Arace packet to the hilt with great horses and jocks
Yes definitely
Great coverage - take note ITV !! No gimmicks such as how a jockey gets ready for a race. No excruciating puns as the horse crosses the winning line. No clueless bints more worried about what they are wearing rather than focusing on the horses. No idiotic childish presenters trying to be funny or score pathetic points with each other. No “home schooling” wtf is all that about? Don’t try telling me that you are trying to broaden the audience. You either love horse racing or you don’t- you don’t need to be incentivised with bullshit. Racing will survive without your puerile efforts.
Ooh forget, No excruciating fawning sycophants dribbling over jockey, trainers and owners.
@leeheyman5545 Yes World Class coverage
@leeheyman5545 Yes it’s unbearable now.
Not sure what sort of race those two jockeys on the pacemakers were riding😉
Pacemakers for Petoski.
A bet they got a right rollicking, they went off way too fast.
@terrydickinson3296 Yes they got ignored
Dancing Brave was the best. IMO better than Frankel as DB won over 1m, 1.25m and 1.5 miles. Why Frankel is rated better I’ll never know. When I watched Dancing Brave win the 2000 Guineas I said to myself “I think that’s the best horse I’ve ever seen”. And so it proved.
Yes it’s a great argument for sure.
Carry on we are waiting
Nijinsky for me…
A great shout that.
@StephenSmall-sf5um Yes along with Brigadier Gerard who beat Mill Reef.That form simply can’t be argued with.
Ridiculous speed
Yes he had it in spades.
A double handful.
Definitely
watching the race , i dont see what the point of those 2 pacemakers? They were both racing against each other lol. 1 of them should of dropped off a length and taken the pace a bit further on.
What happened to Dancing Brave in the B.C.?, he ran out of the money
The same as what happened in the Derby. He got unbalanced round the home turn. He never won going left handed.
That’s a great observation thank you.
@@HorseRacingLegends Also he was competing against drugged American horses , there is a reason very few European horses win Breeders cup races
Horse was stuck in quarantine in the heat of Ca. Plus he had been on the go since April. Almost died just weeks after the BC.
@mallafets I never knew that.
Didn't dancing brave win a breeders cup race.
No
People saying great commentary but O'Sullivan wasn't that good in the 80s and dreadful towards the end of his career. He didn't even mention the cocky glance fron Pat Eddery just after the 2
Don’t forget he was looking through Binoculars probably.
If pat would have been on the brave in the derby,what a shame
What if Greville had been on El Gran Senor.?
Pat, my favourite jockey, gave him a lot to do in the Arc as well. Dancing Brave's brilliance rescued him.
All Hail the king❤ the best of my life time . Always felt a bit of sadness for Shahrastani as he was a top notch colt , but the headlines were always his “lucky “ Derby victory . DB was just in a different league not many can claim to have been in. Great race , wasn’t surprised by Shardari running so well , either. Triptych ❤running another stormer and big Petoski would have made a nice staying chase one day😂
That’s a bit borderline cruel about Petoski.He did win the race in 1985 beating a great field.
@@HorseRacingLegends He was a decent
2yo , and his KG win was unexpected given the class in the race (I thought Rainbow Quest was a shoe-in) but there was times he looked slower than a 3mile chaser , especially in the. Chester Vase behind Law Society 🐌
He still up on the Day when it mattered most.
I know there is only one derby but once Starkey saw it was gone he should have coasted home and kept dancing brave for another day I think he took a lot out of the horse giving him a hard race when he'd no chance of catching Swinburne on sharastani I actually liked Grenville Starkey as a jockey he must have had nightmares over that derby 😳 he was some horse dancing brave but just imagine how good golden fleece was he came from as far back as dancing brave and still won doing hand stands it was a tragedy he died of cancer before he had really started his stud career 😮
No I don’t agree with any of that
WTF was Starkey up to I know it wasn't his fault he got so far back but he had such a great horse under him he should have been able to improve before sharastani got the first run on him
Racing doesn’t work that way.