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Joyrider TV is one of the best channels on UA-cam for catamaran sailing tutorials, maintenance, Q+As and great small cat sailing content.
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From race 7 of the 2018 Tornado European championships at Torbole, Lake Garda, Italy.
Between 15 and 18 knots of wind.
Apologies for the wind noise in the microphone - it turns out that the GoPro Session 5 is not as good as the Gopro Hero 5 black in that department.
Our series was flawed by the first day having a series of issues with the boat (including the mast coming down) which with only 5 other races meant that there was no coming back.
Our end result was 15th.
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Way to go boys! Best 40 mins of racing and onboard commentary I have ever seen. Awesome!
Thanks Tony!
I bob my head for every tack!
are you kidding me! under the hull, crew was hanginngggggg off the hull. What a trip this was.
Think I gotta watch this a few times next winter - thanks Joe! You got me hooked on catamaran sailing!
Glad to hear it!
pure and simply loved to ride with you guys...well done :-)
Highly enjoyed that, hope there's more to come
Wow. I always thought Tornadoes must have been special. In these perfect conditions they certainly are. Smooth speed.
Indeed! Such a great ride!
Holy sh*t that 'chute set was legendary. I may have to rig a kite on my H18 after seeing this downwind footage - absolutely hauling. Good stuff boys!
Edge of my seat the whole video Joseph!!!! 11:38, frame that shot!
What a magic moment!
I'm sorry, I just had to watch it all again! "It's not attractive, Chicks don't like it, but sometimes it's necessary" LOL Are you breaking wind or sailing!?
Hello from Colorado! Thanks for taking us along! I really enjoyed your comments learned a lot by watching your excellent technique and rigging!
Thanks!
LOVED it from beginning to end. Thanks for getting me out there on a Tornado, that was exhilarating. I think I wanna do that more now, see I live here!
Great stuff Joe - nice work!! Particularly enjoyed the commentary
Thank' s for the ride, it was really a thrill...
J + J - that was brilliant. You are 'Steely-eyed missile men'. Very exciting racing and thank you for making the effort to film and commentate under those conditions. Brilliant.
Thanks John, i'm glad that you enjoyed it - this is still my favourite video that i've ever made!
very cool , thanks for letting us tag along w/you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Loved this video. Loved the commentary.
Fantastic , thank you .
Really really great video! Makes me want to go to Vassiliki Soon! Great race on Lake Garda Joe!
Great vid - edge of the seat all the way !
I could watch this over and over. Great footage
Me too!
Nothing better than sending it down wind with a Spinnaker. 👍👍👍 lovely boat👍👍👍
Keep talking about trains. Please.
And also, i actually watched the whole thing. Keep posting these vids. Thanks
Great video! Thanks from south of Spain!
Nice race guys! Happy to met you there😀
Looks like a ton of fun !!
Great racing and commentary, cheers.
Nearly two year gone by and still love giving this vid a view, have lost count . Thankyou Joseph and John for my favorite utube video.
It's actually my favourite video as well. I don't watch my videos back often but this one I've watched quite a few times.
I'm glad that you like it!
Great race and commentary! Well done :)
Great video! Loved the commentary!
Good teamwork and exciting race!
STUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!! Great Video, exciting race!!!
Thanks!
Your videos are fantastic💪🙌🇮🇹
Fantastic!
Great Job Great Video!!
Exciting, well played. Nice Vid Joe
Hello Jo, thank you for the brilliant video! It was very funny how my reaction to the video was. My resting heart rate is usually 55-60 beats per minute. After about 7 minutes of your video I had an average heart rate of 98!
Too bad that you couldn´t have a second run yet. I'm sure if you and your crew would sail regattas more often, then you would be right at the front. I went with you the whole time! The Spi maneuver on the windward mark was very nice. I never seen somebody do it like you do. Very interesting way of sloping away, just staying in the trapeze. Very awesome. I hope that someday I will have the money again to learn a trick or two from you in the sailing school. I drove on regattas last 2008-09 with the Hobie Tiger as crew. It was a nice time. I wish you a nice winter season and hope that you can power up for a nice 2019 season.
best regards Olli
I'm glad that you enjoyed it. I've watched this several times now.
I stay out on the trapeze with the spinnaker on the first leg to minimise movements and so that we can get the boat up to speed as quickly as possible. This proved to be very effective.
Excellent team racing Joseph
I think i have watched this video more than 20 times! Love it !!!
Awesome Joe and thank you for this live regatta! Waiting for more great stuff like this on September :P
Yes! This is my favourite video too. Unfortunately this years Worlds has been postponed so i'll have to do more Tornado sailing here!
@@JoyriderTV better for us!! :P see you soon!
Very good.
Nice race dude :) Great video too!!!
Great video
Thrilling!
Wow! Loved the commentary! I was given a Tornado thirty years ago that was rotting again. I still have all the rigging. Never had the time or resources to build new hulls. Guess it is too late now. The rigging has changed a lot. About the only thing I can do is sell what is left to someone who might be able to use it. I basically sail a J24 now and would have a hard time adjusting to a trap. Great job crew!
If you can send me a list of what exactly you have and where it is I can put out an advertisement.
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It never gets old 😊
Still my favourite.
Great video! I felt like I was on the race course with you guys!
Yes, it's actually my favourite. Nice to get back to Garda.
Fantastic video Joe. The colour of adrenaline, hilarious. 🙂
Thanks 👍
I've been watching this one a lot , amazing . . It seems you might have actually been helpful in that moment when they were about to capsize , blocking their wind long enough to regain balance of the boat . . Epic scene that was..
I didn't think of that - maybe those guys owe us a beer!
Best racing vid on youtube.
nice race joe !
Thanks for this great vidéo JO! I'm still learning in each !!! Yann from Mayotte, french island in indien océan .... (hobie cat 16 and 18)
Thanks Yann, this is my favourite video I've ever made, such a special time. I'll try to get on a windy race course in the Hobie 16 to do something similar - that would be exciting stuff!
I love your videos.
thanks very much!!!
Love it . Used to own a Tornado !
Such a great boat!
I felt as if I was there. Thanks
🤩
awesome !
"Reality TV " "At its best" This should be on TV""" great vid"
Hi Joseph & Crew, LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE IT, Yeah Baby, great video and makes me SUPER excited to sail again this season. I have a T here in land locked British Columbia and it's a blast that's for sure. Your Spinnaker running rigging is very slick.. Can you by any chance show a close up of your rigging routing and would also be very interested in learning the best method for attaching and tightening the Spin Pole forward and mid stays. It would greatly appreciated if possible.
In the mean time Enjoy and kiss your crew, he likes his fun too!
I won't be kissing my crew! That's for sure. I'll do some filming with the tornado once it's built. The rigging is quite similar to the Tigers that we have, and the bowsprit adjustments also. I've made a playlist of the videos i've made concerning the spinnaker system here:
ua-cam.com/play/PLbNtP4MQ_X3eQ8Rvgmv5grsidgZfZeh3e.html
Wuaaooooou che velocità!
I'm just in t he process of selling my spinnaker rigged Tornado after a few decades of racing. You guys are doing alright! Couple of things I noted: Crew is running downhaul on the beat. We normally have crew on mainsheet, constantly fine trimming it to maintain boat attitude and only use downhaul for major power changes in wind. Also, I like how you went to the trap at the bear away mark, leaving crew on tramp. We'd normally reverse that, helm staying on deck and crew trapping off rear corner...but I can see how your method gets you out faster, less re-positioning and crew is then much quicker when needing to drop sail.
Thanks for your feedback. Eventually i will give up the mainsheet - having it as the helm is a by product of sailing with so many people out here. I have become attached to it so the crew gets the downhaul!
Great video !
First time I've seen a whole race with helm commentary...
Beautiful conditions!
Exciting!
Tell us a little bit about optimising VMG downwind please ?
In the Tornado, when it is windy enough to constantly double trapeze upwind, the difference it makes to the boatspeed and how smooth the ride is through the gusts and lulls makes it favourable to single trapeze downwind. No trapeze and you'd end up at a similar angle but with less speed, double trapeze and you'd not get as low.
It's a difficult balance at times to decide which mode is going to fit best but generally on a fit boat, sailing faster is the best.
Awesome video Joe.
Thanks Ben, it was a great race, it's nice to be able to relive it!
It's pretty unique being onboard and being talked through the race by you. After all these years I've still never actually sailed with you, so this is the next best thing.
next time you come here we'll make it happen!
Damn fast.
Hi Joseph. Me and my friends follow your videos. If you want to sail in south of Spain ( Fuengirola, Málaga) you have my Hobie 16. Thanks for the videos!
Thanks very much for your kind offer, If i'm coming to the area i'll get in touch!
I live in Bolzano, It is less than one and a half hour from lake Garda.. I will take sailing classes next time you are there !
I don't know when that will be. I depends on when the next event will be.
Skipper with no gloves sheeting the main in a decent breeze......manly hands for the win! lol
I'm glad that the manly hands are finally getting some recognition! Thanks
We go on the cat with you!!!
I hope that you enjoyed it!
Technical question. I noticed you pulled out the spinniker at one point, then you did a gybe and soon after pulled it back into the bag (not being used). Why? How do you tactically use the spin sail?
Excellent video! I like it.
What kind of top speeds are you reaching during a race in these conditions?
Probably something like 20 knots maybe 21 at a push.
22:48 in Italian style... me an Italian: you got it bro
Don't get me wrong - the style is aggressive and confident. I like it!
Joseph Bennett I knew it, here in Italy competition is really strong and important.
Hi Jo, I am rather new for catamaran sailing, and have a basic question for the beating lag. As probably on all other boat, you seem to pull on hard the jib sheet and leave it fixed, and you steer to the wind with this setup. How do you use the jib telltales? On slower type of boats you are trying to steer the boat for parallel telltales on both windward and leeward side, but it appears to me, that through the higher speed of catamarans the windward telltale is indicating very soon that "I am pointing too high". As I want to adjust - bear away, as I get more speed, it is indicating again, that I should bear away again. And that could go on until I start reaching. So is there an optimum pointing angle for beating which is indicated by the jib telltales? Thanks, Bence
thanks for the question. Have a look at this one and let me know if you have any questions. ua-cam.com/video/o0rCWYr3zAo/v-deo.html
Hi Joseph. I would like to know the name/type of the black and white cord/line for the main-sheet. I want it for my Hobie 16. Thanks!.
It's Maffioli Swiftcord 9mm. A little slippery when new but very nice once you've broken it in.
BAD BOYS FOR LIFE
you know it!
💯💥
good job on making a good cat racing video!!! would love to see you do one on a f18! wondering, you never ease the jib on the mark rounding? its effective on the f18, but maybe the tornado is not that sensitive to it?
If i get to an F18 event i'll certainly have the camera rolling.
I think easing a little jib is always a good idea before the bear away.
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The trapez adjusting system. Better ghzn the dog bone on the HC16.
Where to buy?
Any Hobie dealers would have the parts to put it together.
Well done! What was the final position?
At this one we finished 16th
HI Joe!
I've done many mods to my Dart20 (mylar sails, Harken 10:1 mainsheet, spinnaker, 16:1 cunningham, barber hauler). I'm giving it the beans ambitiously, often single handed, and cannot fully avoid to capsize then and when ;-)
I don't worry much about this, because I can easily right the boat singlehanded as long it doesn't turtle due to its watertight mast (using a ladder like a righting pole).
Now I'm looking for a Marstroem Tornado and I'm wondering if I could right it single handed with my Dart technique as well. So please let me know: Is your carbon mast watertight? Does the mast tip float when you capsize Bad Boy 94? Can you avoid getting in turtle position?
All the best,
Guenther
The carbon mast on the Tornado is very light - i think using your ladder righting pole method you shouldn't have any problem bringing it up solo.
The mast is sealed and with the lighter weight it's less likely to invert (although it will in certain situations) I think you should go for it!
What is your crew playing while going up wind? The Cunningham? Thanks for the video
Yes, he's pulling it on as the gusts hit and easing when it drops.
@@JoyriderTV that is what i thought. I run a recently new to me prindle 19 and have her set up similar to a classic tornado on all my controls. I've been told to treat her like the classic tornado and she'll work fine. Love the videos man. Keep it up
Joe. Never saw a video on the Rules of Racing. Is it just too complicated to explain, or just becomes a part of your inner being ?? Thanks
You're right, I haven't done much on this but here's one I made earlier: ua-cam.com/video/6bL-JlNrul4/v-deo.html
@@JoyriderTV thank you. Maybe after the Tornado Worlds you could comment on the rules that applied during the race. The most confusing for me is upwind boat approaching a downwind boat and the two boat length rule near the mark . Thanks Joe.
Hi Joseph, I like all of yours videos. I am thinking about buying a Tornado for a play boat ( not racing), what do you think? It is a good idea?
Thanh you !
If you have a regular crew and enough space to park it i think it's a great idea. You can pick them up fairly cheap for how much boat and speed you get. Very strong and fast!
Ring twitcher!
For that situation around 34 minutes when you wanted to go above that boat, couldn’t you have just eased the traveler then that would give you more height?
yes, absolutely. Or better still we could have double trapezed at that point, for some reason in the heat we weren't ready for those options.
All you guys, never had an experience like this, riding a boat that fast, you missed something. That's for sure...
For sure!
Great video--very nicely raced. Windsurfers remind me of gnats--need to swat them away! Keep posting them. Would be awesome to combine the video with RaceQs software so we could see the trajectories of the boat(s) and wind shifts. Love your other videos--very inspiring. Wildwind would be a dream--someday!
I'll look into raceq i never saw it but sounds interesting. Thanks
raceqs.com/podcast/
why cant you guys both stand in the trapeze at down wind
It is possible but for the most efficient speed to angle on the downwind single trapeze is the most efficient
I think you have a self-tacking jib...but what is the crew-man holding in his hands?!
The crew is holding the downhaul - pulling it on as the gusts come and easing for the lulls.
@@JoyriderTV okay...when I sail upwind I will pull it "tight" and when I sail half wind I loose it a bit. But the way you do it is better?!
@@PTXclusive If you are having to sheet out main for the power then more downhaul will turn that extra power into extra speed.
If you need more power ease the downhaul.
Let off some downhaul before going down wind (although I don't on the H16)
these guys are gonna park at this buoy 26:00...🤣🤣
sometimes you just have that feeling!
What point of sail are you sailing when your gennaker is up? I'm assuming a broad reach. Why don't you pull up your centerboards? Are you not sailing that deep? Are you between a broad and a beam?
yes,
broad reach - on the Tornado, we keep the boards down the whole time - the are very short and low aspect.
Are you coming to NZ for the Worlds?
Unfortunately not, although i'd be mad for it. Too far for me at this time.
👍👍👍🇺🇦
Thanks!
Shouldn’t the crew be handling the mainsheet
That is the normal routine. On our boat in these conditions I keep control of the mainsheet so that the crew can play the downhaul.
Did you win?
That race we finished 6th and got 10th overall
Joseph Bennett oh no! Better luck next time, I really hoped you won though!
I noticed how you don’t go ‘block to block’ sailing upwind. Why is that?
it's just because of the distance between the boom and the rear beam - unless I put a strop from the clew there'll always be a gap between the blocks. (unlike the 16 where the boom is much lower)
Joseph Bennett I guess the the mast rake on a hobie 16 is a lot more as well which contributes to this as well.
Amazing footage by the way.
Would love to come to wildwind one day.
Thank you.
Lake garda
The best venue for racing!
@@JoyriderTV I like sailing Racing
Northern Italy is beautiful
Joseph come turkey istanbul
I'd love to!
There’s no tornado
Ahahaha😂😂😂
so hardly ever any jib sheet adjust??!!, u don't bother to lift your dagger neither?
not on the tornado - I saw pictures from 20 years ago - people were lifting the centreboard then but now even the top guys don't.
Jib stays cranked to keep it flat
Fantastic!
Many thanks!