I see no evolution. All I see is that this guy pronounces the sentences faster. Literary Tamil and Old Tamil have almost no difference except literary tamil has past tense future tense and all types of sentence frames. Theyre the same except that literary tamil is more advanced and considerate of the time
@@thecookieomniking7426 pronounces sentences faster?? I am not sure what you mean But just a fact here ṟa(ற) isn't an original dravidian sound It used to be pronounced as ṯa (Different from த[t̪] and ட[ṭ]) This sound gradually shifted to become what we now pronounce as ṟa The shift occured in all dravidian languages to the point that only malayalam,kota and toda as geminates and nasal sounds റ(ṟa) റ്റ(ṯṯa) ൻ്റ(ṉḏa) While the sound shifted in modern tamizh ற(ṟa) ற்ற(ṭṟa) ன்ற(ṉḍṟa) And for refference The alveolar t sound is still preserved in eezham tamizh This in on itself is a huge difference
@@khathibahamadhuwais9355 ற character has been found in Tamili stone inscription. It is very much part of the Tamili phonetic set. That is Tamili character which is basically C with upside down v joined under it.
There is no language in the world that has remained unchanged for 2000 years...both Malayalam and Tamil evolved gradually from Old Tamil through the intermediate stage called Middle Tamil...Kerala was considered a part of ancient Tamilakam
@@khathibahamadhuwais9355of course the language has evolved over thousands of years, but pretty miraculously, most of the core words remain the same, and as I was able to understand some parts of the sentences that were spoken, I am sure you also were able to. That is actually very dramatic consistency that someone from 2024 would be able to understand upto 50% of something that mightve been said 3000 years ago.
The old tamil word for 'snow' 'mancu' (மஞ்சு) was actually replaced and the word 'pani' (பனி) which is used in modern tamil. But the word mancu was still used in sister dravidian languages Malayalam, Telugu, Kannada and Tulu. Very interesting.
@@existensistrubczthentruscatt Okay but the video shows like that and the word for snow in Telugu and Malayalam is Mancu which is given by Google translator. May be they have different meanings for same word.
To the Tamils who're over enthusiastic and insecure about Tamil , 1. The very concept of "The Oldest Language" is completely Pseudo-Linguistic! If u keep arguing about that everyone will just laugh at your foolishness. Tamil is just another Language, you're being Nationalistic cuz you don't know anything existing outside your Tamil bubble. Learn basic Linguistics and History first. 2. Tamil descended from Proto-Dravidian , our fellow Non-Tamil Dravidians like Kannadigas , Telugus share Sibling relationship with Tamils not Mother/Father/daughter/son. 3. Malayālam isn't an Offspring of Modern Tamil But Middle Tamil (900-1300 CE). So Modern Tamil also shares sibling relationship with Malayalam. Malayālis has all the rights to claim Old /Middle Tamil literatures. (Remember Kerala/Chera King Kulasekara Alwar and Chera Nāyanār wrote devotional poems in Tamil, cuz they are Tamils/Keralites at that time. 4. Sanskrit is an Indian Language and Classical too , that's all. Its neither God's /Oldest language. Realise these are motivated by religious and political groups. Don't fight over sanskrit. 5. Migration/Invasions occurred throughout the world along with evolution. Indus valley once cradled ancestors of all indians(except NE) and probably spoke Proto-Dravidian if at all proved scientifically,Not Proto-Tamil!!! Plsss refrain from believing in Conspiracy theories like Lemuria , முதல் மனிதன் தமிழன் , Alien/Oldest Language etc...... Understand basic Linguistics through UA-cam's Crash course Channel. Anyways this vedio is spot on!! Can exactly say this is the form of Tamil used in poetry around 300 BC, not the one the people spoke
@@ancientminds199Average speakers and those who studied Tamil for their mandatory school exams might find it complex to understand. They may pick up some words based on common phrases and vocabularies that are still in use. However, studying the literature especially linguistics, helps to breakdown the language at a syllable level. Each Tamil syllable has a meaning (noun, idea). Vowels are known as "uyir" or soul in Tamil, and consonants as "mēi" (body). A combination of these "soul" and "body" would convey the meaning, enabling complex ideas and thoughts to be written. This served as a base for Tamil grammar and literary order. As time flies, Tamil people interacted with foreign influences. This is the mark of loanwords entering the Tamil lexicon. Some retained the original word, some were translated into Tamil, using the soul/body concept, creating new words of it's time, with suitable suffixes to facilitate writing. And this is not something new as it happened in every point of Tamil's history untill the Tamil that we are familiar now. But the grammatical and writing order continues. It never changed. Tamil, in fact has remained the same throughout time, from the Sangam era, the middle ages... till today. Studying the texts is like a flashback in time, and then returning to the modern world, realising it's just the same thing, only with extended vocabulary and new words as humans discover something new everyday.
@@ancientminds199 Average speakers may find it complicated to understand. Some who studied basic Tamil and for mandatory school exams might pick up some words as it is still used in Modern Tamil. Here how it works. When studying Tamil literature, you will be exposed to Tamil linguistics. It helps you to break down the language to a syllable level. Each syllable (a, aa, i, ee) has a meaning (noun, idea). Vowels are known as "uyir" or soul in Tamil, and consonants as "mei" (body). A combination of these soul and body would convey the meaning, enabling complex ideas and thoughts to be written. This served as a base for Tamil grammar and literary order. As time flies, Tamil people interacted with foreign influences. This is the mark of loanwords entering the Tamil lexicon. Some retained the original word, some were translated into Tamil using the soul/body concept, creating new words and terms of its time, with suitable suffixes to facilitate writing. Here is where we witness the shifts, till the modern Tamil we are familiar today. This is not something new, as it happened in every point of Tamil's history. However, the grammatical and writing order continues. It never changed. Tamil in fact, has remained the same throughout time, from the Sangam era, the middle ages, till now. Any linguistical updates, Tamil publishers, even school teachers would refer ancient texts such as the Tholkaapiyam, for grammatical advice and correction. Studying the texts is like a flashback in time, only to return to the present world and realize, Tamil did not change that much.
Those who are saying Modern Tamil is different from old Tamil. Likely doesn't read or listen to modern Tamil News/ modern Tamil Newspapers/ modern Tamil Novels/modern Tamil Literature. Tamil is highly diaglossic language. Written/Literary Tamil is way different from Spoken Tamil. Only when you can read Tamil Newspapers you would know that there's no much difference between old/middle/modern Tamil. Some words are not in common use doesn't mean it changed. For example English : He went to his own house News Tamil : Avar Tan Illa-tuku Cendrar (Mostly are Old Tamil words) Spoken Tamil : Avan Sontha Veetuku Ponan Listening to lines above, outsiders be like "OMG Those are two different languages, Tamil changed so much. Tamilians can't accept that their language changed". What makes Bahubali better in Tamil is that the dialogues are in literary Tamil. While watching it in other Indian Languages felt like just another Telugu/Hindi/Malayalam movie. Note : Replacing daily use words with Sanskrit doesnt make the dialogues "classical" or diaglossical.
This old tamil dates around 500BC to 1000BC which is the 3rd sangam era (1800BC to 300BC) the sample text கொங்குதேர் வாழ்க்கை அஞ்சிறைத் தும்பி காமஞ் செப்பாது கண்டது மொழிமோ பயிலியது கெழீஇய நட்பின் மயிலியல் செறிஎயிற் றரிவை கூந்தலின் நறியவும் உளவோ நீயறியும் பூவே Was sung by nakkirar around 500BC in kurunthokai this form of tamil is kind of the last sangam tamil the first sangam tamil dates more than 10,000 years ago.
Finally my mother language! Well, these words are all same comparing to the modern Tamil language. For example: முகம் - Mukam (Modern Tamil) - mukam (Old Tamil) மாமா - Māmā (Modern Tamil) - Māmaṉ (Old Tamil) நிலா - Nilā (Modern Tamil) - Nilā (Old Tamil)
Tbh most of the words are the same in Modern Literary Tamil although spoken might have changed quite a bit, but we can understand these words quite easily
In the whole South, Tamil is the most conservative language. It works both ways. On one hand, you have a language that has proudly stood the test of centuries, changing very little. On the other, its speakers become too rigid, full of superiority complex over other South languages!!!
No. Tamil didnt changed that much (only changes a bit) since ancient time. Look at the Sangam literature for proof. Today, a Tamil children easily can read and understand the literature.
But why? It is pretty natural for any language to "evolve" and "change" and "get distorted". Even Proto-Dravidian itself is a "changed" form of its older ancestor.
Not sure how accurate this is, but the sample text sounds mid way between Tamil and Telugu (I can't speak Telugu). Also why are voiced consonants pronounced as unvoiced ones?
It's yaatu ( > aatu) for goat in Old Tamil. Pasum > payum > paym - fresh. Thoongu for sleep is semantic change in meaning. Originally, it meant 'hang', in which sense Malayalam uses. Yaalthal - rule. YaaRu - stream. Yaantu - year.
Old tamil is attested in writing; proto words such as initial ya retention in this word are not attested. That is not to say they'd have not been spoken but only very small number of initial ya's are preserved in old tamil. That is to say it's not exactly accurate to say this is the way it was in old tamil. Perhaps at some point in the development of tamil but what is identified as old tamil literature doesn't show these words. ANDu, ALtal, ARu are only attested. In some cases both forms are attested aar, yaar. yaanai aanai
Ok, lemme say Tamil is very Diglossic Language from its very first attestation (300BC). ie : We spoke informal Tamil and use formal for all other purposes like writting , News , School etc... Our Formal Tamil didn't changed much , we can read 8th century inscriptions very easily!! But spoken Tamil changed a lot. Though can't understand poetry! (Which shown in end of the vedio) Cuz vocabularies will vary. This vedio shows reconstructed Spoken Tamil which is similar to our Formal Tamil and can understand this ,not much different.
I can can understand this 100% Thats beauty of tamil Because pandiyas played a crutial role in developing tamil They developed tamil in a perfect way ,thanks to our ancestors
Well ancient Tamils were really good at trading. We can say that they're influenced in roman, Chinese, arab, South east Asian history @@rachitborkar
@@gigachad9069 oh really? Where do you see the influence then? Only the southern part of India is heavily influenced by this language... While the central, northern, western, eastern(some) can understand almost 70-80 % words... While none of these groups can actually understand south language.
@@gigachad9069 giving loanwords won't make much difference.. and words related to closest things to human life and simple primary things like this can not be derived as every langauge start using them at first so therr is no need to adopt them..
Actually, there's no much changes for Tamil from ancient time till now. Tamil is the only language will still preserves almost all features of Proto-Dravidian.
@@Sinhala_buddhist-3934 You are absolutely right sir. We need more reconstructed Proto-Dravidian words using Tamizh so that we can understand how it was survived for so long years.
@@dori25t But there is no other way around because both Albanian and Greek belongs to Indo-European group while Tamil belongs to Dravidian which is completely unrelated. However there is a rare possibility that this word 'Malai' for mountain may be loaned from Sanskrit language which is surprisingly an Indo-European language of India which has influenced all the Indian languages including Tamil. But the word 'pala' for many is a tricky one.
@Pom “Ni” is one of the most simple combinations of sounds a person can produce… it’s 100% just a coincidence. Proto-languages are not “delusions” lol. Groups of people have migrated for thousands of years and brought their languages with them to different places, and over time those languages diverged into even more languages. If you’re curious, Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, and Telugu all descended from Proto-Dravidian. There is real evidence, you just choose to ignore it
The only language of today that contains classical Tamil words (Sangam/Koodu Thamizh) is none other than Malayalam. Quite a few words you mentioned in this video has survived within the Malayalam language. Malayalam as a formal language of today is NOT even 400 years old. We still say "avida" and "ivida", which is from Sangam Thamizh "avidam" (aa idam) and "ividam" (ii idam). Also Malayalam still say "cevvi" for "ear" (and "kaathu" in some parts of Kerala); also "angana" (anganam) and "inganam" (inganam) is still used; also "thamburaan" and "thamburaatti" are old Tamil words for "my Lord" and "my Lady". No other language in the world shares more words with Tamil other than Malayalam. Even the word "Malayalam" is Sangam Tamil words "Malai aaLam" (land beyond mountains). Many Ilankai Tamils say they understand Malayalam very well and find a more commonality with Malayalam/Kerala than today's Tamil Nadu. I think the Vijayanagar Empire had a major, heavy effect on Indian Tamil language and culture to what we see of it today.
Old Tamizh is more close to other Dravidian languages.. many common Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam words in addition to present Tamizh words. Safe to say that rather than Tamizh being the oldest language, its ancestor proto-Tamizh or old Tamizh gave birth to a plethora of Dravidian languages. The Tamil-Brahmi script depicted in the video evolved into many scripts across India and SE Asia ... ( Through a transition script called Pallava Script) Including Khmer , Thai, Burmese, Sinhalese etc.. The current Tamizh Abugida evolved into somewhat close resemblance to current form only about 400 years back
Sinhala script didn't evolve from Tamil-Brahmi script or Pallava script. Brahmi script has been used since 3rd century BCE to write Sinhala language. Sinhala script evolved into present round form in 7th century CE due to influence of Pallava/Grantha script. But Sinhala script didn't directly originate from Pallava/Grantha script. It was just influence.
@@worlddata8982 debatable ! To anyone, the visual similarities of Dravidian scripts( esp. Kannada and Telugu ) with Sinhala script are impeccable. Although the degree of influence and period of influence varied from region to region, one cannot be entirely sure which script's influence superseded the other. 🤷🏻
@@worlddata8982 Some letters in Sinhalese looks like Malayalam script which is based on Grantham alphabet u/ഉ Ka/ക, kha/ ഖ, ga / ഗ Na/ണ tha/ ത, thha/ഥ, dha/ ധ Pha/ ഫ Sha/ ശ, Ha/ഹ, la / ല , va/വ
Interesting how even in old Tamil, which is supposed to be older than Sanskrit, there are still so many Sanskrit words. Like Mukam (Face), Kama (Desire), and Taaram (Star)
Because this Old Tamil is recorded after Sanskrit has spread well in India and Tamil-speaking Dravidians have practiced the more Vedic Hinduism (i.e. their original non-Vedic Hinduism/folk religion + Vedic/Indo-European elements of the Sanskrit-speaking Aryan migrants from the northwestern Asia) 😉
Mukam has proto-Dravidian roots, and Sanskrit borrowed it from Dravidian languages. Kaamam was an early borrowing. I didn't see Taaram anywhere, the word used in Sangam texts is vinmeen/meen (see this poem: ua-cam.com/video/WZrSJPAzsAY/v-deo.html) Similarly, Vedic Sanskrit had early borrowings from Dravidian languages like these words: phala "fruit" [3/7]: Proto-Dravidian *paz- "to ripen", *paz-a "old", Tamil pazam "ripe fruit" DEDR 4004 pinda "lump" [0/13]: Proto-Dravidian *pizi, past *pizi-nt "squeeze", *pint-V(
@@pratiya-xy2ph probably not considering vedic was long dead when indo aryans had their first contacts with the tamils. nearly all tamil loans are conservative prakrit loans or sanskrt as opposed to vedic. To add more to this, what dravidian words are in vedic resemble more, telugu or central dravidian languages say kolami. it is very hard to imagine why a vedic speaker might transcribe a word like kaz-ut-ay as gardhabhás but it is a very straight forward derivation if you would assume a more telugu like form such as gāḍida or gaḍida where vedic speakers would hear ḍ as being rda instead (this phenomenon occured in vedic itself where kartáti --> kāṭáti and nr̥tyakás --> nāṭyakás). some words seem very similar to tamil-kannada-malayalam, partially because they may have not been so different in the dravidian languages the vedic people encountered such as: ulákkhā --> pestle (Ta. ulakkai) and kaṭāhá (Ta. kiṭā, *kiṭ-āH). yet still others are suggest more vast sound changes in the dravidian langauges that contacted vedic such as zh --> ḷ or l whence pazh-V --> phála. some sanskrt loan words interestingly preserve transitional dravidian words such as the south dravidian loss of initial ca in words like cōṭ-ay (Ta. ōṭai, Mal. ōṭa) where ca --> sa --> ha where the ha is preserved in sanskrt words like hōḍa. though these maybe much later loans. Certainly there are even later loans like nī́r and nilayá.
That point makes the reason for ற்ற sound in Malayalam more sensible. In Malayalam ற is pronounced as Ra, but ற்ற is pronounced as the 't' sound in the English word 'last'. It is out of logic. Now I am covinced that todays ற sound was later modification. But in Tamil ற்ற sound is pronounced as tRa. It might be reason for formation of Malayalam sound Todays ற can not change to ந. But Old tamil ற can change to ந இன்று >இந்நு குன்று>குந்நு என்றென்றும்>எந்நெந்நும்
This is one of the early Bramic scripts used to write Tamil as it was written on stones and metal plates. The modern alphabets you see today is because it was written on palm leaves which result in round and cursive writing to prevent the leaves from tearing.
Not really confirmed but definitely before 300BC. Ancient Tamili inscriptions were found between 3000BC to 300AD and the most dates go form 1000Bc to 500BC most ancient tamil inscriptions found in south india and srilanka date between 1000 to 300BC but only 1 or 2 date back before that. There is only 1 inscription on an ammi grinding stone which dates back to 3000Bc
Nope. We don't speak like this anymore. We use very casual slang and sanskritized Tamil words instead. Listen to the speaker reading the paragraphs, you don't hear us Tamilans speak like that anymore.
I am Tamizh. It's very interesting and almost understand everything. மிக நன்றாக இருந்தது தமையனே. Still now there is an argument between Tamizh and Sanskrit. Both are ancient languages and get contact with each other so that it shares their loanwords to each other. Tamizh get influenced by Sanskrit but due to Thani Tamizh Iyakkam (Tamizh only movement), it retains its original words but it is not possible to replace completely. By the way, I am also a Sanskrit lover and love the language equal to my Tamizh. வாழ்க தமிழ், வாழ்க இந்தியா, जयतु संस्कृतं, जय भारतं. 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
@@vasanthakumar526 not exacttly sure on the construction of the whole phrase but the yaṉ part comes from afaik, sanskrit jás जः. As in one who is born.
Some people are so jealous about this language until they can't accept the truth that this is the oldest and first language of the Indian subcontinent. Poor fellows. Always spreading that Sanskrit is everything. I pity them.
eh perhaps, the ṇṭ ṉṯ ñc nt mp make it sound like telugu from the outlook if anything. But there are many common old tamil words that have common usage in telugu as well but not so in the modern tamil language such as kōrŭ meaning to ask, request and cāla meaning many.
@@ila_vael this vowel ending is mainly a middle telugu poetic development; in speech still telugu has terminal u only where tamil also has terminal u. More than this this ḍu ending is the same as tamil -aṉ ending. this is because at one point in time both tamil and telugu ended words with -aṉṯ and aṉṯŭ which are preserved in tamil as aṉ and telugu as -ṇḍu or -ḍu. words like illu are related to tamil il where the alternate pronoucation in tamil is illŭ. old telugu mostly ends in consonants. lu is the plural in telugu it is related to the aḷ part of -kaḷ in tamil. nīr + lu --> nīrlu --> nīḷḷu in telugu while it is nīrkaḷ in tamil. the unvoiced ṇṭ and ñc make old tamil sound like telugu especially in words where the modern voicing is the only separation. example being telugu mañcu vs tamil mañjŭ , the difference of pronounciation is eliminated in old tamil where the word is mañcŭ.
Wut?? You Don't Understand Nothing Are you lying or You Serious Right Now Bruh..if You Don't Understand Nothing from Old Tamil That's Crazy...Even Tho Am a Malayali I understand 80%of What Is Said In The language By The Narrator who spoked Sangam koodu Sen Thamizh..
Bro there are more changes in suffixes from old tamil to modern tamil, no problem you can learn it from reading old literatures and their meanings. Tamil is defaultly sov language but in poetic form tamil is written in all sentence patter svo, sov, vso, ovs, osv etc.... so it might me difficult to you.
I'm a proud Telugu/Indian and Hindu. I would like to say something. This shows Old Tamil (also known as Proto-Tamil/Dravidian) is the mother of all Dravidian languages.
Similarities between Tamil and Telugu are due to loanwords and sprachbund effect, not due to any genetic relations! Being in almost the same region, many words and concepts are common between these two South languages. Just like the similarities between the Turkic and Mongolic languages. Being in the same cultural area, religious, cultural and mythological words are common between them, else these languages are completely unintelligible mutually!!!
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I am an Eezham tamil and tamil is the best its the first language humans spoke the count increased to 130million tamils world wide and tamil actually began both in india and srilanka
As a tamizhan myself it hurts whenever our own people refuse it's evolution
I see no evolution. All I see is that this guy pronounces the sentences faster. Literary Tamil and Old Tamil have almost no difference except literary tamil has past tense future tense and all types of sentence frames. Theyre the same except that literary tamil is more advanced and considerate of the time
@@thecookieomniking7426 pronounces sentences faster??
I am not sure what you mean
But just a fact here
ṟa(ற) isn't an original dravidian sound
It used to be pronounced as ṯa
(Different from த[t̪] and ட[ṭ])
This sound gradually shifted to become what we now pronounce as ṟa
The shift occured in all dravidian languages to the point that only malayalam,kota and toda as geminates and nasal sounds
റ(ṟa) റ്റ(ṯṯa) ൻ്റ(ṉḏa)
While the sound shifted in modern tamizh
ற(ṟa) ற்ற(ṭṟa) ன்ற(ṉḍṟa)
And for refference
The alveolar t sound is still preserved in eezham tamizh
This in on itself is a huge difference
@@khathibahamadhuwais9355 ற character has been found in Tamili stone inscription. It is very much part of the Tamili phonetic set. That is Tamili character which is basically C with upside down v joined under it.
There is no language in the world that has remained unchanged for 2000 years...both Malayalam and Tamil evolved gradually from Old Tamil through the intermediate stage called Middle Tamil...Kerala was considered a part of ancient Tamilakam
@@khathibahamadhuwais9355of course the language has evolved over thousands of years, but pretty miraculously, most of the core words remain the same, and as I was able to understand some parts of the sentences that were spoken, I am sure you also were able to. That is actually very dramatic consistency that someone from 2024 would be able to understand upto 50% of something that mightve been said 3000 years ago.
The old tamil word for 'snow' 'mancu' (மஞ்சு) was actually replaced and the word 'pani' (பனி) which is used in modern tamil. But the word mancu was still used in sister dravidian languages Malayalam, Telugu, Kannada and Tulu. Very interesting.
Manju means cloud (not sky*) bro.😉
@@existensistrubczthentruscatt Okay but the video shows like that and the word for snow in Telugu and Malayalam is Mancu which is given by Google translator. May be they have different meanings for same word.
@@vasanthakumar526 manj in Malayalam means snow
while "pani" in malayalam is used for fever
@@jishnu3389 same in Kannada
To the Tamils who're over enthusiastic and insecure about Tamil ,
1. The very concept of "The Oldest Language" is completely Pseudo-Linguistic!
If u keep arguing about that everyone will just laugh at your foolishness. Tamil is just another Language, you're being Nationalistic cuz you don't know anything existing outside your Tamil bubble. Learn basic Linguistics and History first.
2. Tamil descended from Proto-Dravidian , our fellow Non-Tamil Dravidians like Kannadigas , Telugus share Sibling relationship with Tamils not Mother/Father/daughter/son.
3. Malayālam isn't an Offspring of Modern Tamil But Middle Tamil (900-1300 CE). So Modern Tamil also shares sibling relationship with Malayalam. Malayālis has all the rights to claim Old /Middle Tamil literatures. (Remember Kerala/Chera King Kulasekara Alwar and Chera Nāyanār wrote devotional poems in Tamil, cuz they are Tamils/Keralites at that time.
4. Sanskrit is an Indian Language and Classical too , that's all. Its neither God's /Oldest language. Realise these are motivated by religious and political groups. Don't fight over sanskrit.
5. Migration/Invasions occurred throughout the world along with evolution. Indus valley once cradled ancestors of all indians(except NE) and probably spoke Proto-Dravidian if at all proved scientifically,Not Proto-Tamil!!!
Plsss refrain from believing in Conspiracy theories like Lemuria , முதல் மனிதன் தமிழன் , Alien/Oldest Language etc......
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Anyways this vedio is spot on!!
Can exactly say this is the form of Tamil used in poetry around 300 BC, not the one the people spoke
There is no proof of aryan invasion theory, genetics suggest that indians migrated to europe not otherwise.
Source : trust me bro
@@jefrin1095 yeah saying is a guy who gets info from watsapp University. Continue to be in your copium.
Can you tell me more about crash course channel?
@🔥 தமிழ் EMPIRE OFFICIAL 🔥 what is a word mind?
As a Malayalee from Dravidia, I understanded most of the words and sentences from the Old Deccani Tamil (or Sangam Tamil) 🇦🇴🇦🇴
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It’s amazing how little it’s changed.
You got to be kidding. Were you able to understand sample text?
@@ancientminds199 By learning Tamil literature.
@@markmiltonwanan7628 what about an average Tamil speaker??
@@ancientminds199Average speakers and those who studied Tamil for their mandatory school exams might find it complex to understand. They may pick up some words based on common phrases and vocabularies that are still in use.
However, studying the literature especially linguistics, helps to breakdown the language at a syllable level. Each Tamil syllable has a meaning (noun, idea). Vowels are known as "uyir" or soul in Tamil, and consonants as "mēi" (body). A combination of these "soul" and "body" would convey the meaning, enabling complex ideas and thoughts to be written. This served as a base for Tamil grammar and literary order.
As time flies, Tamil people interacted with foreign influences. This is the mark of loanwords entering the Tamil lexicon. Some retained the original word, some were translated into Tamil, using the soul/body concept, creating new words of it's time, with suitable suffixes to facilitate writing. And this is not something new as it happened in every point of Tamil's history untill the Tamil that we are familiar now.
But the grammatical and writing order continues. It never changed. Tamil, in fact has remained the same throughout time, from the Sangam era, the middle ages... till today. Studying the texts is like a flashback in time, and then returning to the modern world, realising it's just the same thing, only with extended vocabulary and new words as humans discover something new everyday.
@@ancientminds199 Average speakers may find it complicated to understand. Some who studied basic Tamil and for mandatory school exams might pick up some words as it is still used in Modern Tamil.
Here how it works. When studying Tamil literature, you will be exposed to Tamil linguistics. It helps you to break down the language to a syllable level. Each syllable (a, aa, i, ee) has a meaning (noun, idea).
Vowels are known as "uyir" or soul in Tamil, and consonants as "mei" (body). A combination of these soul and body would convey the meaning, enabling complex ideas and thoughts to be written. This served as a base for Tamil grammar and literary order.
As time flies, Tamil people interacted with foreign influences. This is the mark of loanwords entering the Tamil lexicon. Some retained the original word, some were translated into Tamil using the soul/body concept, creating new words and terms of its time, with suitable suffixes to facilitate writing. Here is where we witness the shifts, till the modern Tamil we are familiar today. This is not something new, as it happened in every point of Tamil's history.
However, the grammatical and writing order continues. It never changed. Tamil in fact, has remained the same throughout time, from the Sangam era, the middle ages, till now. Any linguistical updates, Tamil publishers, even school teachers would refer ancient texts such as the Tholkaapiyam, for grammatical advice and correction.
Studying the texts is like a flashback in time, only to return to the present world and realize, Tamil did not change that much.
Those who are saying Modern Tamil is different from old Tamil. Likely doesn't read or listen to modern Tamil News/ modern Tamil Newspapers/ modern Tamil Novels/modern Tamil Literature. Tamil is highly diaglossic language. Written/Literary Tamil is way different from Spoken Tamil.
Only when you can read Tamil Newspapers you would know that there's no much difference between old/middle/modern Tamil. Some words are not in common use doesn't mean it changed.
For example
English : He went to his own house
News Tamil : Avar Tan Illa-tuku Cendrar (Mostly are Old Tamil words)
Spoken Tamil : Avan Sontha Veetuku Ponan
Listening to lines above, outsiders be like "OMG Those are two different languages, Tamil changed so much. Tamilians can't accept that their language changed".
What makes Bahubali better in Tamil is that the dialogues are in literary Tamil. While watching it in other Indian Languages felt like just another Telugu/Hindi/Malayalam movie.
Note : Replacing daily use words with Sanskrit doesnt make the dialogues "classical" or diaglossical.
But the language used in the sample text from the video is nowhere near the formal nor colloquial form of Tamil (modern)..
This old tamil dates around 500BC to 1000BC which is the 3rd sangam era (1800BC to 300BC) the sample text
கொங்குதேர் வாழ்க்கை அஞ்சிறைத் தும்பி
காமஞ் செப்பாது கண்டது மொழிமோ
பயிலியது கெழீஇய நட்பின் மயிலியல்
செறிஎயிற் றரிவை கூந்தலின்
நறியவும் உளவோ நீயறியும் பூவே
Was sung by nakkirar around 500BC in kurunthokai this form of tamil is kind of the last sangam tamil the first sangam tamil dates more than 10,000 years ago.
Yeah. Even dinosaurs were roaring in Tamil.ற்ற்ற்ற்ற்...
Finally my mother language! Well, these words are all same comparing to the modern Tamil language.
For example:
முகம் - Mukam (Modern Tamil) - mukam (Old Tamil)
மாமா - Māmā (Modern Tamil) - Māmaṉ (Old Tamil)
நிலா - Nilā (Modern Tamil) - Nilā (Old Tamil)
Maman is modern tamil too
Like how anna can be Annan. Mama is Maman
Malayalam is more similar
Friendly reminder that Tamil is like all other languages and changes over time.
But how little has it changed in 2500 years!!!
Like a living fossil language!
Tbh most of the words are the same in Modern Literary Tamil although spoken might have changed quite a bit, but we can understand these words quite easily
As a Tamil , me and many of my other brethrens confirm and agree to this !
That Nationalism part is more due to Political reasons in India.
In the whole South, Tamil is the most conservative language. It works both ways. On one hand, you have a language that has proudly stood the test of centuries, changing very little. On the other, its speakers become too rigid, full of superiority complex over other South languages!!!
No. Tamil didnt changed that much (only changes a bit) since ancient time. Look at the Sangam literature for proof. Today, a Tamil children easily can read and understand the literature.
𑀢 𑀫𑀺 𑀵𑁆 𑀯𑀸 𑀵𑁆 𑀓
தமிழ் வாழ்க
தமிழி எழுத்தை எப்படி இங்க எழுதுனீங்க
@@கலைஎழிலி oruvelai tamili keyboard aga irukalaam, anaa endha keyboard nu theriyavillai
Look at the Tamil we lost! We should start speaking like this back using the proper Tamil words.
Bro we do write like this that's enough Old Tamil still lives.
There is nothing like PURE TAMIL words !
Languages are like a stream and you cannot stop them, especially in this ever interacting world !
Agreed
But why? It is pretty natural for any language to "evolve" and "change" and "get distorted".
Even Proto-Dravidian itself is a "changed" form of its older ancestor.
Yes
Tamilians on their way to write, that Tamil is the oldest language:
“Tamil is 5,000 years old and was spoken by Indus Valley Civilization!”
@@TheReal_GMan Not always unconfirmed theories are true. Moreover, this is not the first civilization.
They're calledTamilar or simply Tamils. If you're going to be hateful, use the correct terms.
@@nawtavaylabuhl Lol, this is not a common concept and you are the first one to use it. By the way, the word "Tamils" is not a mistake, go learn.
@@user-xg9yg8kg7i Of course, but I’m just saying that because it is something they always say.
Not sure how accurate this is, but the sample text sounds mid way between Tamil and Telugu (I can't speak Telugu).
Also why are voiced consonants pronounced as unvoiced ones?
I love this layout, so easy to use as a resource.
Namaste 🙏
It's yaatu ( > aatu) for goat in Old Tamil.
Pasum > payum > paym - fresh.
Thoongu for sleep is semantic change in meaning. Originally, it meant 'hang', in which sense Malayalam uses.
Yaalthal - rule.
YaaRu - stream.
Yaantu - year.
Old tamil is attested in writing; proto words such as initial ya retention in this word are not attested. That is not to say they'd have not been spoken but only very small number of initial ya's are preserved in old tamil. That is to say it's not exactly accurate to say this is the way it was in old tamil. Perhaps at some point in the development of tamil but what is identified as old tamil literature doesn't show these words. ANDu, ALtal, ARu are only attested. In some cases both forms are attested aar, yaar. yaanai aanai
@AbishanA258 வணக்கம். ஈழத்துள் எங்கே?
In Malayalam there is a usage உறக்கம் தூங்ஙல் /தூங்ஙல் meaning 'going in to sleep while sitting'. To sleep when lying on bed is called உறக்கம்.
In India Tamizh is only not sanskrit based language. Tamizh its own grammar and own roots ❤ .
Tamizh?
@@atrydetalisgard4467 tam il = தமி ல் . Tam izh = தமி ழ் . Correct pronunciation
Eelam tamils still speak like this. I am a canadian born tamil & i speak fluently with many of these words.
unmai thaan as an Eelam tamil im proud
I am also eezhathamizhar but even this is still kinda weird for me to understand maybe cuz of slight changes to our Mozhi over time 🤔
@@xoxoheartz its just the voice over and accent of it.
@@2sangillis ahh I see
@@xoxoheartzbecause spoken colloquial Tamil and formal written sentamizh are not the same.
one question for tamilians do you understand this and how much similar is it to modern tamil
Ok, lemme say Tamil is very Diglossic Language from its very first attestation (300BC).
ie : We spoke informal Tamil and use formal for all other purposes like writting , News , School etc...
Our Formal Tamil didn't changed much , we can read 8th century inscriptions very easily!!
But spoken Tamil changed a lot. Though can't understand poetry! (Which shown in end of the vedio) Cuz vocabularies will vary.
This vedio shows reconstructed Spoken Tamil which is similar to our Formal Tamil and can understand this ,not much different.
@@ila_vael okay thanks
I can can understand this 100%
Thats beauty of tamil
Because pandiyas played a crutial role in developing tamil
They developed tamil in a perfect way ,thanks to our ancestors
@@jefrin1095 pulugadha Da 🤣🤣
"Vem, vai" is Portuguese for " he/she comes, goes" 🤣🤣
as tamil is a classic language many languages derived from tamil
@@Palmman69 proof or else dont talk bs
Well ancient Tamils were really good at trading. We can say that they're influenced in roman, Chinese, arab, South east Asian history @@rachitborkar
@@gigachad9069 oh really? Where do you see the influence then? Only the southern part of India is heavily influenced by this language... While the central, northern, western, eastern(some) can understand almost 70-80 % words... While none of these groups can actually understand south language.
@@gigachad9069 giving loanwords won't make much difference.. and words related to closest things to human life and simple primary things like this can not be derived as every langauge start using them at first so therr is no need to adopt them..
Thank you so much for creating this video. I have always wondered how Old Tamil would have sounded before the sound changes.
Actually, there's no much changes for Tamil from ancient time till now. Tamil is the only language will still preserves almost all features of Proto-Dravidian.
Proto Dravidian is a myth.
@@kamrankhan-lj1ng Yes. Proto-Dravidian is a myth. It's nothing, but Proto-Tamil.
@@Sinhala_buddhist-3934 You are absolutely right sir. We need more reconstructed Proto-Dravidian words using Tamizh so that we can understand how it was survived for so long years.
@@Sinhala_buddhist-3934 The so called proto dravididan is tamil
Old Deccani Tamil seems more similar to Malayalam than modern Tamil
I love how y’all put red theme for imagery, thamizh main colour is red.
Whilst the sounds has obviously evolved, the words individually still remain almost completely easily recognisable and understandable
Malai : mountain is same word with albanian " mal, mali
Pala : many is same with greek word 'pola
May be sprachband effect or coincidence.
@@vasanthakumar526 i don't believe to coincidence
@@dori25t But there is no other way around because both Albanian and Greek belongs to Indo-European group while Tamil belongs to Dravidian which is completely unrelated. However there is a rare possibility that this word 'Malai' for mountain may be loaned from Sanskrit language which is surprisingly an Indo-European language of India which has influenced all the Indian languages including Tamil. But the word 'pala' for many is a tricky one.
@@vasanthakumar526 what do you think before indoeuropian language people never speak any language?
@@dori25t I don't know probably.
தமிழ்! 🇮🇳🇱🇰❤
I learned Tamil language at school. 🇱🇰
Cool! Are you of Tamil ethnicity?
@@aosadoifbaiosdfna No. I am a Sinhalese. Sinhala and Tamil are relatives.
@@දුඃඛදුඃඛින් Oh, but the Sinhala language is Indo-European and the Tamil language is Dravidian...
@@aosadoifbaiosdfna I was not talking about the languages. I meant both ethnicities. Sinhala and Tamil people are genetically related.
@@දුඃඛදුඃඛින් Ayubowan macha or ayya. Tamil from India.
---English: Face, Tamil: Mukham, Filipino: Mukha
---English: Mother, Tamil: Nay, Filipino: Nay or Nanay
---English: Star, Tamil: Taram, Filipino: Tala 😊
Except the word for mother other two are sanskrit origins..
And mukham means mouth..
Please! We need a vídeo with a Catalan language
0:45 The word for "you" in old Tamil is the same as in Mandarin Chinese.
It is still ni in Malayalam and Tamil today put ni is considered impolite.
@Pom It is just a coincidence, 你 is from old Chinese /nɯʔ/ while Tamil “ni” is from Proto-Dravidian /ni:n/
@@gachi1297 Don't attempt to reason with them.
@Pom “Ni” is one of the most simple combinations of sounds a person can produce… it’s 100% just a coincidence.
Proto-languages are not “delusions” lol. Groups of people have migrated for thousands of years and brought their languages with them to different places, and over time those languages diverged into even more languages. If you’re curious, Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, and Telugu all descended from Proto-Dravidian. There is real evidence, you just choose to ignore it
@@brettfafata3017 I tried 😂
The only language of today that contains classical Tamil words (Sangam/Koodu Thamizh) is none other than Malayalam. Quite a few words you mentioned in this video has survived within the Malayalam language. Malayalam as a formal language of today is NOT even 400 years old. We still say "avida" and "ivida", which is from Sangam Thamizh "avidam" (aa idam) and "ividam" (ii idam). Also Malayalam still say "cevvi" for "ear" (and "kaathu" in some parts of Kerala); also "angana" (anganam) and "inganam" (inganam) is still used; also "thamburaan" and "thamburaatti" are old Tamil words for "my Lord" and "my Lady". No other language in the world shares more words with Tamil other than Malayalam. Even the word "Malayalam" is Sangam Tamil words "Malai aaLam" (land beyond mountains). Many Ilankai Tamils say they understand Malayalam very well and find a more commonality with Malayalam/Kerala than today's Tamil Nadu. I think the Vijayanagar Empire had a major, heavy effect on Indian Tamil language and culture to what we see of it today.
Yes ❤
Old Tamizh is more close to other Dravidian languages.. many common Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam words in addition to present Tamizh words.
Safe to say that rather than Tamizh being the oldest language, its ancestor proto-Tamizh or old Tamizh gave birth to a plethora of Dravidian languages.
The Tamil-Brahmi script depicted in the video evolved into many scripts across India and SE Asia ... ( Through a transition script called Pallava Script) Including Khmer , Thai, Burmese, Sinhalese etc..
The current Tamizh Abugida evolved into somewhat close resemblance to current form only about 400 years back
😂
@@samarthd9948?? care to explain?
Sinhala script didn't evolve from Tamil-Brahmi script or Pallava script. Brahmi script has been used since 3rd century BCE to write Sinhala language. Sinhala script evolved into present round form in 7th century CE due to influence of Pallava/Grantha script. But Sinhala script didn't directly originate from Pallava/Grantha script. It was just influence.
@@worlddata8982 debatable !
To anyone, the visual similarities of Dravidian scripts( esp. Kannada and Telugu ) with Sinhala script are impeccable. Although the degree of influence and period of influence varied from region to region, one cannot be entirely sure which script's influence superseded the other. 🤷🏻
@@worlddata8982
Some letters in Sinhalese looks like Malayalam script which is based on Grantham alphabet
u/ഉ
Ka/ക,
kha/ ഖ,
ga / ഗ
Na/ണ
tha/ ത,
thha/ഥ,
dha/ ധ
Pha/ ഫ
Sha/ ശ,
Ha/ഹ,
la / ല ,
va/വ
Interesting how even in old Tamil, which is supposed to be older than Sanskrit, there are still so many Sanskrit words.
Like Mukam (Face), Kama (Desire), and Taaram (Star)
Because this Old Tamil is recorded after Sanskrit has spread well in India and Tamil-speaking Dravidians have practiced the more Vedic Hinduism (i.e. their original non-Vedic Hinduism/folk religion + Vedic/Indo-European elements of the Sanskrit-speaking Aryan migrants from the northwestern Asia) 😉
@@user-hnjga8is1zr6u "Dravidian converted to Hinduism" nice joke
Mukam has proto-Dravidian roots, and Sanskrit borrowed it from Dravidian languages.
Kaamam was an early borrowing. I didn't see Taaram anywhere, the word used in Sangam texts is vinmeen/meen (see this poem: ua-cam.com/video/WZrSJPAzsAY/v-deo.html)
Similarly, Vedic Sanskrit had early borrowings from Dravidian languages like these words:
phala "fruit" [3/7]: Proto-Dravidian *paz- "to ripen", *paz-a "old", Tamil pazam "ripe fruit" DEDR 4004
pinda "lump" [0/13]: Proto-Dravidian *pizi, past *pizi-nt "squeeze", *pint-V(
@@literarytamil bro there is too possibility that Proto Dravidian language borrowed it from Vedic Sanskrit.
@@pratiya-xy2ph probably not considering vedic was long dead when indo aryans had their first contacts with the tamils. nearly all tamil loans are conservative prakrit loans or sanskrt as opposed to vedic. To add more to this, what dravidian words are in vedic resemble more, telugu or central dravidian languages say kolami.
it is very hard to imagine why a vedic speaker might transcribe a word like kaz-ut-ay as gardhabhás but it is a very straight forward derivation if you would assume a more telugu like form such as gāḍida or gaḍida where vedic speakers would hear ḍ as being rda instead (this phenomenon occured in vedic itself where kartáti --> kāṭáti and nr̥tyakás --> nāṭyakás).
some words seem very similar to tamil-kannada-malayalam, partially because they may have not been so different in the dravidian languages the vedic people encountered such as: ulákkhā --> pestle (Ta. ulakkai)
and kaṭāhá (Ta. kiṭā, *kiṭ-āH).
yet still others are suggest more vast sound changes in the dravidian langauges that contacted vedic such as zh --> ḷ or l whence pazh-V --> phála.
some sanskrt loan words interestingly preserve transitional dravidian words such as the south dravidian loss of initial ca in words like cōṭ-ay (Ta. ōṭai, Mal. ōṭa)
where ca --> sa --> ha where the ha is preserved in sanskrt words like hōḍa. though these maybe much later loans. Certainly there are even later loans like nī́r and nilayá.
അമ്മാവൻ
മാമൻ
Maaman
(Māman
Ammavan
Malayalam 🙏🏻
Please make old bengali and old odia comparison video।
So we can say Malayalam is more related to Old Tamil than Modern Tamil to Old Tamil.
Very similar to elam tamil
Make a video on Old Odia ଓଡ଼ିଆ language.
Love your work keep it up.
6 in tamil is aru not atu
ற in old tamil was pronounced something like t and th so ஆறு was pronounced something like aathu
That point makes the reason for ற்ற sound in Malayalam more sensible. In Malayalam ற is pronounced as Ra, but ற்ற is pronounced as the 't' sound in the English word 'last'. It is out of logic. Now I am covinced that todays ற sound was later modification. But in Tamil ற்ற sound is pronounced as tRa.
It might be reason for formation of Malayalam sound
Todays ற can not change to ந. But Old tamil ற can change to ந
இன்று >இந்நு
குன்று>குந்நு
என்றென்றும்>எந்நெந்நும்
Tulu language is quite similar to old tamil😄
yup i agree..
The diversity of indian languages fascinat me.
The script might be the key to deciphering the Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro inscriptions
Not likely there's a 1,450 year gap between the fall of the IVC and the creation of the earliest Tamil script.
Plus most of the Tamil script is based off aramaic script
Not the script, it's not related but the languages themselves might be related.
@@stariyczedun MIGHT be. At the moment it is all speculations. Especially when we hardly know ANY Moen Jo Daro and Harappan words!!!
They are not related.
what alphabet is it, not same like usual Tamil used
This is one of the early Bramic scripts used to write Tamil as it was written on stones and metal plates. The modern alphabets you see today is because it was written on palm leaves which result in round and cursive writing to prevent the leaves from tearing.
Was this Tamil spoken during 300BC?
Yes
Not really confirmed but definitely before 300BC. Ancient Tamili inscriptions were found between 3000BC to 300AD and the most dates go form 1000Bc to 500BC most ancient tamil inscriptions found in south india and srilanka date between 1000 to 300BC but only 1 or 2 date back before that. There is only 1 inscription on an ammi grinding stone which dates back to 3000Bc
Could you please do old Marathi. It is very interesting.
There might be some link between Sinhala and old Marathi.
@@kamrankhan-lj1ng There are also links with Sinhala and Marathi
@@sinhalarealz6847 very few I think.
@@kamrankhan-lj1ng Why would you think that?
@@sinhalarealz6847 can you give me instances of genetical similarity between Sinhalese and Marati??
Can some Tamil speaker say if this is similar to modern Tamil at all?
It is very very similar to modern Tamil. With 100 percent intelligibility!
@@kamrankhan-lj1ng That's good to know and a great thing. I love it when languages stay the same for a long time. It's like a window to the past.
Nope. We don't speak like this anymore. We use very casual slang and sanskritized Tamil words instead. Listen to the speaker reading the paragraphs, you don't hear us Tamilans speak like that anymore.
@@hareneishnadhar That is sad to hear, but unfortunately, every language does that.
@@aitokoojii1462 yes boss, sadly ...
I like the video to day. Thank you
The new Tamil is cool and old Tamil is different and the letters
I am Tamizh. It's very interesting and almost understand everything. மிக நன்றாக இருந்தது தமையனே. Still now there is an argument between Tamizh and Sanskrit. Both are ancient languages and get contact with each other so that it shares their loanwords to each other. Tamizh get influenced by Sanskrit but due to Thani Tamizh Iyakkam (Tamizh only movement), it retains its original words but it is not possible to replace completely. By the way, I am also a Sanskrit lover and love the language equal to my Tamizh. வாழ்க தமிழ், வாழ்க இந்தியா, जयतु संस्कृतं, जय भारतं. 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Fair warning tamayan is partly a Sanskrt loan
@@kadalavan4589 Can I know the Sanskrit word for that? Yes I also noticed some loanwords in there.
@@vasanthakumar526 not exacttly sure on the construction of the whole phrase but the yaṉ part comes from afaik, sanskrit jás जः. As in one who is born.
@@kadalavan4589 👍👍👍
@@infinite5795 Yes Brother, you are right.
தமிழ் ❤️
Interesting. In Sanskrit there’s lots of aspiration but here there’s no aspiration
Do malaysian dialects video next pls
Some people are so jealous about this language until they can't accept the truth that this is the oldest and first language of the Indian subcontinent. Poor fellows. Always spreading that Sanskrit is everything. I pity them.
True bro
Compared to glory of Sanskrit, this doesn't even stand near it
@@ancientminds199 Compared to the glory of Tamil, this funny Sanskrit doesn't even stand near it. 🤗🤗😊
@@Sinhala_buddhist-3934 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Yes. I agree with you.
We are the oldest language spoken and written
Not really no, many languages are older than Tamil by centuries, even those that are still alive and well
Old Tamil sounds more similar to telugu than modern Tamil
eh perhaps, the ṇṭ ṉṯ ñc nt mp make it sound like telugu from the outlook if anything. But there are many common old tamil words that have common usage in telugu as well but not so in the modern tamil language such as kōrŭ meaning to ask, request and cāla meaning many.
bro , how exactly?
Telugu words majorly ends in vowel sounds.
Mainly 'u' sound , you guys add u/lu/du to all words literally.
@@ila_vael this vowel ending is mainly a middle telugu poetic development; in speech still telugu has terminal u only where tamil also has terminal u. More than this this ḍu ending is the same as tamil -aṉ ending. this is because at one point in time both tamil and telugu ended words with -aṉṯ and aṉṯŭ which are preserved in tamil as aṉ and telugu as -ṇḍu or -ḍu. words like illu are related to tamil il where the alternate pronoucation in tamil is illŭ. old telugu mostly ends in consonants. lu is the plural in telugu it is related to the aḷ part of -kaḷ in tamil.
nīr + lu --> nīrlu --> nīḷḷu in telugu
while it is nīrkaḷ in tamil.
the unvoiced ṇṭ and ñc make old tamil sound like telugu especially in words where the modern voicing is the only separation. example being telugu mañcu vs tamil mañjŭ , the difference of pronounciation is eliminated in old tamil where the word is mañcŭ.
@@ila_vael im not talking about vowel endings, i'm talking about the words themselves. Likewise old telugu sounds similar to modern tamil.
Nice comedy, brother.
I can understand 70 percentage as a malayalee
Impressive..
The more you know
1:24 speak= cheppu... same in telugu
Speach -peechu The english word speak itself came directly from tamil word
Ancient tamil word.
Sepputhal > seppu > cheppu...
Parai, pallu also same meaning...
Paraithal > parai > para....
"Pani" in tamil meaning "work" is also same as in talugu
Isn't it funny how Tamil has that southern drawl like the US southern drawl 😂. You know, that sort of lazy, laid back feeling.
Ayyyy lets goooo
Y?
Proud tamilan da
Wtf!! I don't understand anything being a Tamil speaker 😮
Wut?? You Don't Understand Nothing Are you lying or You Serious Right Now Bruh..if You Don't Understand Nothing from Old Tamil That's Crazy...Even Tho Am a Malayali I understand 80%of What Is Said In The language By The Narrator who spoked Sangam koodu Sen Thamizh..
@@GANGESGARGLER From the sample text...
Bro there are more changes in suffixes from old tamil to modern tamil, no problem you can learn it from reading old literatures and their meanings. Tamil is defaultly sov language but in poetic form tamil is written in all sentence patter svo, sov, vso, ovs, osv etc.... so it might me difficult to you.
That's means you've haven't even studied Tamil language in your school nor know to read/write Tamil script 😂
That's ur individual problem!
@@rockythebranDon That was so ignorant of you. An average Tamil speaker wouldn't have a clue about the sample text
Me when i fokin under stand every
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I speak தமிழ் ச்க்ஹோ
🔥🔥🔥
Tamil people's see this letters and pronounsation :🤔🧐⚰️
Pronounciation is mostly familiar not different from modern Tamizh but coming to script, yes Brahmi script looks strange.
Tamil is still not changed but greek, latin ,hebrew &mandrin are changed
Bro, we dont use such archaic Tamil words much these days.
@@hareneishnadhar Sri Lankan Tamils still use it bro.
Bro lots of suffixes are modified in our tamil.
Worlds first language may the language change over time yet the speaking is always the same. it is more than 40,000 years old
It has been spoken from around 1,500 BC at most and 800BC at least. No proper language was ever constructed 40,000 years ago.
This is Malayalam 🙄
You guy's lost the claim of the Sangam era Tamil after the arrival of Nambudiri 😢
@@ralph6417its sad Mate HopeWe can Purifi our language with old Sen Tamizh words...
abo language
Solo proud to say I am from Tamilnadu
Tamil is very similar to Chinese
In what way?
😂😂😂
Pull up in the Sri Lanka
as a srilankan tamils didnt pull up in srilanka they've been their since the humans began
That's just an alien language
Well alien to you native to us
@@aashiqgamerxd9897 magma cube
@@Shrey_Shrekminecraft thing da
@@aashiqgamerxd9897 ஆமாம்
To me , it sounds pretty normal
Oldest language in the world is Tamil.
உலகின் பழமையான மொழி தமிழ்.
‘Coughs in Akkadian’
@@knockoutnorko7500 Coughs in Tamil, Sumerian and Egyptian too.
I'm a proud Telugu/Indian and Hindu. I would like to say something. This shows Old Tamil (also known as Proto-Tamil/Dravidian) is the mother of all Dravidian languages.
Similarities between Tamil and Telugu are due to loanwords and sprachbund effect, not due to any genetic relations! Being in almost the same region, many words and concepts are common between these two South languages. Just like the similarities between the Turkic and Mongolic languages. Being in the same cultural area, religious, cultural and mythological words are common between them, else these languages are completely unintelligible mutually!!!
@@kamrankhan-lj1ng yes. That's why there's almost no differences at all between Proto-Dravidian and Old Tamil.
There is no dravida bro... just old Tamizh...nice to see few people understood the truth thank you....we are all Tamil language family 😊
@🔥 தமிழ் EMPIRE OFFICIAL 🔥 yes 😊👍
@@Raito-kun01 lol.
Oldest language in the world 🔥🔥
First Classical language of India 2004🔥
Slogan language of UNO,NASA🔥🔥
Longest classical surving language in the world 🔥UNESCO's First classical language 🔥🔥
Currency language of Morris 🔥
Official language of srilanka, Singapore, Malaysia, southern part of Africa 🔥
Spoken by 70 Million ppls around the world 🔥First Indian state to oppose Hindi 1937🔥🔥
Mother of all South Indian languages 😎🔥
Most hated language in india 😎.But no Panipuri beeda destroy the pride of thamizh language🔥 Jallikattu 🐂🐂Thamizhan da 😎🔥 தமிழன் டா 😤🔥🔥
I am an Eezham tamil and tamil is the best its the first language humans spoke the count increased to 130million tamils world wide and tamil actually began both in india and srilanka
@@Palmman69 eezham tamil than bro orginal tamil... Enaku unga slang romba pudikkum😍❤️❤️
Greek, Hebrew, and Chinese are all quite a bit older than Tamil
Interesting language
@user-xg9yg8kg7i yes bruh ofc we are on the way to write that"OUR TAMIL IS THE OLDEST LANGUAGE WE ARE TAMIZHARS 😌⚡
I recently found out even dinosaurs spoke in tamil. There as long as these crazy Linguistic tamils are happy.