Hi Snehal, thanks for your comment. Here's the transcript: The first question was: what is necessary, what kind of brain one must have to understand what you are talking about, to grasp. It’s not what the speaker is talking about, but to grasp your own understanding of yourself. Scrap or put aside what K is talking about and let us see what is necessary to understand, to go into oneself. Is that it? Would you like to talk about that? Audience: Yes. K: Apart from the questions. What are the barriers that prevent us from understanding our own selves, not only at the conscious level, at the level of daily activities, but also go much deeper into oneself? Is that what you all want to talk about? A: Yes. K: If one asks that question of oneself, what prevents me or you from understanding, delving into oneself very, very deeply, what is the thing that’s lacking? Isn’t that it? What do you think? Don’t all say at once. What does each one of us say, answer or respond when we put that question to ourselves? What is it… I am occupied all day with business, travelling here and there; if I am an artist I am concerned with painting, writing poems, literature; and if I am a politician I am greatly concerned about politics, my place in it and my self-interest, my ambition and then the concern about people afterwards. So what is it that is lacking? Energy? Intellectual capacity? We’re just going to investigate it together. Intellectual capacity? Or we are too emotional. Or we have got so many romantic illusory concepts, images about others and about ourselves that prevents us from grasping the whole of my being, of one’s being. Is it I’m too occupied - with my children, my wife, my job, my amusement, my place in society and so on? This perpetual occupation, constant chattering of one’s own problems and one’s own against or for the environment; or fundamentalists. I don’t know if you have noticed this fact, that fundamentalism is spreading extraordinarily in this country. And also it’s spreading in Iran and Iraq, Lebanon, and also it’s gradually seeping into India. All this is taking a great deal of our time. And therefore is it that we haven’t the energy or the urge at the end of the day or the beginning of the day, that we are not sufficiently recollected, deeply concerned? We are concerned about money, sex, position, and so on, so on. That is, we occupy ourselves a great deal with superficial things. Does that deprive us of energy to dig deeply? I’m just asking these questions. Or, I’m really not interested in all this. I like to catch a little bit here and there, go to various gurus and various tricksters, theoreticians and theologians and the experts in religion, and catch little bit of all this and they make a good table conversation. Is this what we are occupied with most of the day? Or do you set aside - we are not advocating anything, we are just talking about it - or you set aside some time in the morning or afternoon or in the evening and a little bit attempt to be serious. Or we take each part of life as a segment, part, and deal with those parts. Or… I can go on. Or can you look at this whole structure of ourselves as a whole, not as fragmented beings? Is that possible? That is, you are not - if one may point out - you are not understanding K. You are understanding or using K as a mirror to understand yourself. And the mirror is not important. That’s the first thing to realise. The mirror, the person is not important. What he is saying may reflect what you are. May. It may be contrary, but you are beginning to look at yourself - doubting, questioning, asking. So, how do you approach this question? Because the approach matters much more than the fact. Are we together in this? The approach, whether it be a scientific problem or an artistic problem or a humanitarian problem, or a social, political and so on, or religious - how do you approach it, come near it? Because how you come to it is of great importance. Not what the question is, or the problem is. Because if I approach it with a preconceived ideological image, that image intervenes between the approach and the thing to be approached. Are we in this together? A little bit? So can one approach an issue, a challenge, a problem, however trivial, however deep, without all the connivance, without all the previous conclusions, prejudices, and come to it afresh? Can we do that or is it impossible? Because one has been trained or educated from childhood to be a Catholic, Protestant, Hindu, Buddhist, and all the rest of it, and one revolts against all that, if one is at all intelligent and active, say, ‘What nonsense all that is.’ But that makes one’s life very shallow, also. So then you try to fill that shallowness with all kinds of amusement, drugs, and entertainment, sex, and all the rest of it. So how does one approach the question? Please ask this question of yourself. If you are a businessman, you approach it very cautiously, seeing what the reward is… not the reward - punishment and reward. If the reward is great you go on. If it is not great you slightly hesitate, you talk about it and gradually learn, avoiding something which is not profitable. In the same way we look at life from the point of reward and punishment. Right? If I do this I can reach heaven, or nirvana or whatever - enlightenment and so on. So there is always this background of gaining and losing. Right? Can one put aside all that and look at the problem, approach the problem freely? Talked just now, asked a question just now: would you go into the question of what you talked on Tuesday. It was about love and all the complexity of it. Right? Why to you want me to talk about it? Why is it we can’t ourself go into it very cautiously, not assuming anything, be terribly honest and see what it all means? Is that impossible? You see, unfortunately, one of our difficulties is we read so much. We have been told so much: by philosophers, by experts, by specialists, by those who have travelled all over the world and gathered information, met various saints and crooks and gurus and whole lot of them. And they say, ‘Yes, I met all these people, I know.’ And we are so gullible and so eager. We take on their colouring. Do we do this? All the newspapers, magazines, that’s what they’re doing to us. Every evening commercials. You follow? Look at all this. And we are being bombarded by all this so that gradually our brains narrow down because of this obvious bombardment. It’s like constantly being shocked. So would you consider whether it is possible to put aside all this and look at it all anew, afresh, as though you were seeing things for the first time. Could we do this? Or it’s only given to the few - which is nonsense. Though people pretend, ‘Yes, I can do it but I’ll tell you all about it.’ That’s sheer… I wouldn’t accept such a thing. Why has our brain become so petty? You understand? The word ‘petty’ - narrow, limited, deeply rooted in self-interest. Sir, these are questions that can be put. But the answer or the discovery or the root of all this one has to dig oneself or go into it. It’s no good talking to each other all day long, or even for an hour. It’s good to listen to each other. And how you listen also matters tremendously. Whether you actually listen, in the sense that you are listening without any determination, without any direction, bringing your own reaction. Just to listen, as a child listens to an excellent, exciting story, he’s full of eagerness, curiosity to find out. Could we do that? Not only listen to the words and so on but also listen to all our thoughts, all our feelings and watch the images that we are building constantly. Can we go back to the questions? As we said, there are several questions here. Eight of them. Can we listen to the question first without any reaction, without saying, ‘Yes, I understand already’? Just capture the question. It’s like planting a seed in the ground, in a healthy, enriched soil - planting a seed. If the seed has vitality, energy, the intrinsic value of its own, then you don’t have to do anything, you water it occasionally, look after it and it will grow. So the question is the seed. I wonder if you… And let the question move. Let the question develop, enlarge, and see whether there is anything in the question at all or it’s just a weed. Some weeds are nice looking, and worthwhile, but some weeds are utterly useless, destructive. So we’re going to find out - sorry to make all these remarks - we’re going to find out the worth of the question. The question may be put superficially or with great intent. And the question is not put by somebody else but the question is being put to each one of us.
@@KFoundation The whole conclusion of j. Krishnamurti' intent to talk to the people is that message is more important than the messenger. That message too should be exercised by the person himself for his or her own upliftment. You do not get to heaven without dying.
The newness in this talk is 'remain with seriousness with any question with a mind with no preoccupation. The question will act as a seed sown in the fresh mind and grow into its solution. '
He wipes his nose and eyes frequently in many videos when talking outside. I reckon he has some kind of condition, perhaps allergy which irritates his eyes, he isn't crying. I have those teary eyes all May and June because of grass allergy.
One must realize why one is watching this video, that one is so conditioned and ruled by thought. I implore others to dive deeper, watch more videos and then apply this to your own life. See for yourself. Don’t believe anything including K. See for yourself, don’t be lazy and rely on others for the inner. It took me awhile to see and with it came great energy to continue investigating. Just by the fact that we need to change in increments means we are not really transforming at all.
00:21 Understanding barriers to delving into oneself 03:08 Lack of energy and intellectual capacity inhibits understanding. 05:56 Do we occupy ourselves with superficial things, depriving us of energy to dig deeply? 08:24 Questioning our approach to understanding 11:01 Questioning the motive behind our actions and decisions. 13:05 Avoid being influenced by external sources and see things with a fresh perspective. 15:58 Our brain is deeply rooted in self-interest 18:52 Listening to the question without reaction is like planting a seed in enriched soil.
The barriers to understand ourselves is our belief system!!we must have the courage to overcome obstacles and go much deeper if we ,each one of us goes beyond our mind thoughts,so to understand who we are really!!!
Isolating yourself, struggling and trying to exist in the society while reacting and fighting with the surrounding environment is loneliness. Going into the nature and forgetting loneliness life of the society temporarily is aloneness. Coming back into the chaotic world and have neither is xxxxxxx.
ARE WE TOO SHALLOW? What is it that we are lacking? Energy? Intellectual capacity? Or are we too emotional? Or do we have so many romantic, illusory concepts and images about others and about ourselves that they prevent us from grasping the whole of our being? Is it that I’m too occupied-with my children, my wife, my job, my amusement, my place in society, and so on? This perpetual occupation, this constant chattering about our own problems and our own conflicts with or against the environment. We are concerned about money, sex, position, and so on. That is, we occupy ourselves a great deal with superficial things that deprive us of the energy to dig deeply. CONDITIONING PREVENTS US FROM BEING FREE. How you approach this issue is of great importance-not what the question or the problem is. Because if I approach it with a preconceived ideological image, that image intervenes between the approach and the thing to be approached. We have been trained or educated from childhood, and then we try to fill that shallowness with all kinds of amusement, drugs, entertainment, sex, and all the rest of it. We look at life from the perspective of reward and punishment: "If I do this, I can reach enlightenment," and so on. Can one put all that aside and approach the problem freely? Unfortunately, one of our difficulties is that we read so much and have been told so much by philosophers, by experts… And we are bombarded by all this so much that, gradually, our brains narrow down because of it. Our brain has become narrow, limited, deeply rooted in self-interest. To go deeply, we need to listen to each other-just to listen, as a child listens to an exciting story, full of eagerness and curiosity to find out. Not only listen to the words, but also listen to all our thoughts, all our feelings, and watch the images that we are constantly building.
If i dont naturally look att things as if i am looking at it for the first time, then trying to do that is again an action with the motive of seeing something new there. How then i try to look at thing differently without trying? 🤔
Its a total surrender, a honest "i don't know". Normally we do this when we are in the bottom of a crisis, heavily affected by pain, then we are sincere and crash with a honest "I don't know". You dont need to be in a crisis or in pain to do this, Krishnamurti invites you to embrace this not knowing, and sincerely look at yourself, your feelings, your conflicts, everything happening inside you. Then, you will be able to be free of your baggage and truly look at the matter.
@@endless2461 I have the same struggle. The way I understand it is to watch the kind with everything that's included. With all the motives, let it unfold and see where it brings us. The problem is I keep looking for results. I want to be free and happy and that I'm afraid is still the game of the mind. And then there comes frustrations, feeling of loosing it and that still is the mind. And myself identifying with it. But then I'm able to see it and the process of unfolding continues. And I don't know where it brings me.
We are too lazy to go deeper, we ask questions but we dont want to invest more time and effort to find out. Especially in 2022, we became so shallow, i cant even click on a video that is 1 hour because it requires too much effort to watch it, so i watch 1 minute parodys and all the rest of it...
Can someone provide the transcript of this video ? I have a hard time processing his words.
Hi Snehal, thanks for your comment. Here's the transcript:
The first question was: what is necessary, what kind of brain one must have to understand what you are talking about, to grasp. It’s not what the speaker is talking about, but to grasp your own understanding of yourself. Scrap or put aside what K is talking about and let us see what is necessary to understand, to go into oneself. Is that it? Would you like to talk about that?
Audience: Yes.
K: Apart from the questions.
What are the barriers that prevent us from understanding our own selves, not only at the conscious level, at the level of daily activities, but also go much deeper into oneself? Is that what you all want to talk about?
A: Yes.
K: If one asks that question of oneself, what prevents me or you from understanding, delving into oneself very, very deeply, what is the thing that’s lacking? Isn’t that it? What do you think? Don’t all say at once. What does each one of us say, answer or respond when we put that question to ourselves? What is it… I am occupied all day with business, travelling here and there; if I am an artist I am concerned with painting, writing poems, literature; and if I am a politician I am greatly concerned about politics, my place in it and my self-interest, my ambition and then the concern about people afterwards. So what is it that is lacking? Energy? Intellectual capacity? We’re just going to investigate it together. Intellectual capacity? Or we are too emotional. Or we have got so many romantic illusory concepts, images about others and about ourselves that prevents us from grasping the whole of my being, of one’s being. Is it I’m too occupied - with my children, my wife, my job, my amusement, my place in society and so on? This perpetual occupation, constant chattering of one’s own problems and one’s own against or for the environment; or fundamentalists. I don’t know if you have noticed this fact, that fundamentalism is spreading extraordinarily in this country. And also it’s spreading in Iran and Iraq, Lebanon, and also it’s gradually seeping into India. All this is taking a great deal of our time. And therefore is it that we haven’t the energy or the urge at the end of the day or the beginning of the day, that we are not sufficiently recollected, deeply concerned? We are concerned about money, sex, position, and so on, so on. That is, we occupy ourselves a great deal with superficial things. Does that deprive us of energy to dig deeply? I’m just asking these questions. Or, I’m really not interested in all this. I like to catch a little bit here and there, go to various gurus and various tricksters, theoreticians and theologians and the experts in religion, and catch little bit of all this and they make a good table conversation. Is this what we are occupied with most of the day? Or do you set aside - we are not advocating anything, we are just talking about it - or you set aside some time in the morning or afternoon or in the evening and a little bit attempt to be serious. Or we take each part of life as a segment, part, and deal with those parts. Or… I can go on. Or can you look at this whole structure of ourselves as a whole, not as fragmented beings? Is that possible?
That is, you are not - if one may point out - you are not understanding K. You are understanding or using K as a mirror to understand yourself. And the mirror is not important. That’s the first thing to realise. The mirror, the person is not important. What he is saying may reflect what you are. May. It may be contrary, but you are beginning to look at yourself - doubting, questioning, asking.
So, how do you approach this question? Because the approach matters much more than the fact. Are we together in this? The approach, whether it be a scientific problem or an artistic problem or a humanitarian problem, or a social, political and so on, or religious - how do you approach it, come near it? Because how you come to it is of great importance. Not what the question is, or the problem is. Because if I approach it with a preconceived ideological image, that image intervenes between the approach and the thing to be approached. Are we in this together? A little bit? So can one approach an issue, a challenge, a problem, however trivial, however deep, without all the connivance, without all the previous conclusions, prejudices, and come to it afresh? Can we do that or is it impossible? Because one has been trained or educated from childhood to be a Catholic, Protestant, Hindu, Buddhist, and all the rest of it, and one revolts against all that, if one is at all intelligent and active, say, ‘What nonsense all that is.’ But that makes one’s life very shallow, also. So then you try to fill that shallowness with all kinds of amusement, drugs, and entertainment, sex, and all the rest of it. So how does one approach the question? Please ask this question of yourself. If you are a businessman, you approach it very cautiously, seeing what the reward is… not the reward - punishment and reward. If the reward is great you go on. If it is not great you slightly hesitate, you talk about it and gradually learn, avoiding something which is not profitable. In the same way we look at life from the point of reward and punishment. Right? If I do this I can reach heaven, or nirvana or whatever - enlightenment and so on. So there is always this background of gaining and losing. Right? Can one put aside all that and look at the problem, approach the problem freely?
Talked just now, asked a question just now: would you go into the question of what you talked on Tuesday. It was about love and all the complexity of it. Right? Why to you want me to talk about it? Why is it we can’t ourself go into it very cautiously, not assuming anything, be terribly honest and see what it all means? Is that impossible? You see, unfortunately, one of our difficulties is we read so much. We have been told so much: by philosophers, by experts, by specialists, by those who have travelled all over the world and gathered information, met various saints and crooks and gurus and whole lot of them. And they say, ‘Yes, I met all these people, I know.’ And we are so gullible and so eager. We take on their colouring. Do we do this? All the newspapers, magazines, that’s what they’re doing to us. Every evening commercials. You follow? Look at all this. And we are being bombarded by all this so that gradually our brains narrow down because of this obvious bombardment. It’s like constantly being shocked.
So would you consider whether it is possible to put aside all this and look at it all anew, afresh, as though you were seeing things for the first time. Could we do this? Or it’s only given to the few - which is nonsense. Though people pretend, ‘Yes, I can do it but I’ll tell you all about it.’ That’s sheer… I wouldn’t accept such a thing. Why has our brain become so petty? You understand? The word ‘petty’ - narrow, limited, deeply rooted in self-interest.
Sir, these are questions that can be put. But the answer or the discovery or the root of all this one has to dig oneself or go into it. It’s no good talking to each other all day long, or even for an hour. It’s good to listen to each other. And how you listen also matters tremendously. Whether you actually listen, in the sense that you are listening without any determination, without any direction, bringing your own reaction. Just to listen, as a child listens to an excellent, exciting story, he’s full of eagerness, curiosity to find out. Could we do that? Not only listen to the words and so on but also listen to all our thoughts, all our feelings and watch the images that we are building constantly.
Can we go back to the questions? As we said, there are several questions here. Eight of them. Can we listen to the question first without any reaction, without saying, ‘Yes, I understand already’? Just capture the question. It’s like planting a seed in the ground, in a healthy, enriched soil - planting a seed. If the seed has vitality, energy, the intrinsic value of its own, then you don’t have to do anything, you water it occasionally, look after it and it will grow. So the question is the seed. I wonder if you… And let the question move. Let the question develop, enlarge, and see whether there is anything in the question at all or it’s just a weed. Some weeds are nice looking, and worthwhile, but some weeds are utterly useless, destructive. So we’re going to find out - sorry to make all these remarks - we’re going to find out the worth of the question. The question may be put superficially or with great intent. And the question is not put by somebody else but the question is being put to each one of us.
@@KFoundation thank you so much for the transcripts, it helps a lot! Could you provide transcripts for all K,s video? Enormous thanks!
Thanks for the transcript
@@KFoundation The whole conclusion of j. Krishnamurti' intent to talk to the people is that message is more important than the messenger. That message too should be exercised by the person himself for his or her own upliftment. You do not get to heaven without dying.
The newness in this talk is 'remain with seriousness with any question with a mind with no preoccupation. The question will act as a seed sown in the fresh mind and grow into its solution. '
Great!!
He always wants us to be original and not copying others. His way of talking is based on exploration rather than discourse
Believe me. I am really thankful towards you for posting.
Timeless wonder. Thank you K.
You can see tears coming out of JK’s eyes while talking. Such immense emotion in delivering. 👏
haha..he is just cold. that's all. He is not crying.
He wipes his nose and eyes frequently in many videos when talking outside. I reckon he has some kind of condition, perhaps allergy which irritates his eyes, he isn't crying. I have those teary eyes all May and June because of grass allergy.
Timeless teaching!
One must realize why one is watching this video, that one is so conditioned and ruled by thought.
I implore others to dive deeper, watch more videos and then apply this to your own life. See for yourself.
Don’t believe anything including K.
See for yourself, don’t be lazy and rely on others for the inner.
It took me awhile to see and with it came great energy to continue investigating.
Just by the fact that we need to change in increments means we are not really transforming at all.
Thank you for sharing J. Krishnamurti's wisdom ! you are truly awesome and wonderful as always ^^
Thank you for uploading 🙏🙏🙏
00:21 Understanding barriers to delving into oneself
03:08 Lack of energy and intellectual capacity inhibits understanding.
05:56 Do we occupy ourselves with superficial things, depriving us of energy to dig deeply?
08:24 Questioning our approach to understanding
11:01 Questioning the motive behind our actions and decisions.
13:05 Avoid being influenced by external sources and see things with a fresh perspective.
15:58 Our brain is deeply rooted in self-interest
18:52 Listening to the question without reaction is like planting a seed in enriched soil.
If you understand the problem, then answer will come out from the problem.
The barriers to understand ourselves is our belief system!!we must have the courage to overcome obstacles and go much deeper if we ,each one of us goes beyond our mind thoughts,so to understand who we are really!!!
Excellent 🔝 🔝 🔝
Isolating yourself, struggling and trying to exist in the society while reacting and fighting with the surrounding environment is loneliness.
Going into the nature and forgetting loneliness life of the society temporarily is aloneness.
Coming back into the chaotic world and have neither is xxxxxxx.
Have to admit that i feel similar. Any advices?
누군가 모든 번역을 해주신다면
얼마나 감사한 일일까요?
*^.^*
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"You are not understanding K. You are using K as a mirror to understand yourself. And the mirror is not important."
GORGEOUS
Thank you.
ARE WE TOO SHALLOW?
What is it that we are lacking? Energy? Intellectual capacity? Or are we too emotional? Or do we have so many romantic, illusory concepts and images about others and about ourselves that they prevent us from grasping the whole of our being? Is it that I’m too occupied-with my children, my wife, my job, my amusement, my place in society, and so on? This perpetual occupation, this constant chattering about our own problems and our own conflicts with or against the environment. We are concerned about money, sex, position, and so on. That is, we occupy ourselves a great deal with superficial things that deprive us of the energy to dig deeply.
CONDITIONING PREVENTS US FROM BEING FREE.
How you approach this issue is of great importance-not what the question or the problem is. Because if I approach it with a preconceived ideological image, that image intervenes between the approach and the thing to be approached. We have been trained or educated from childhood, and then we try to fill that shallowness with all kinds of amusement, drugs, entertainment, sex, and all the rest of it. We look at life from the perspective of reward and punishment: "If I do this, I can reach enlightenment," and so on. Can one put all that aside and approach the problem freely?
Unfortunately, one of our difficulties is that we read so much and have been told so much by philosophers, by experts… And we are bombarded by all this so much that, gradually, our brains narrow down because of it. Our brain has become narrow, limited, deeply rooted in self-interest. To go deeply, we need to listen to each other-just to listen, as a child listens to an exciting story, full of eagerness and curiosity to find out. Not only listen to the words, but also listen to all our thoughts, all our feelings, and watch the images that we are constantly building.
15:50
experience -> knowledge -> memory -> thought
ladder of inference: observation - data - meaning - assumption - conclusion - belief - action
All are illusion. Direct Action on right direction.
Believe comes 1st
If i dont naturally look att things as if i am looking at it for the first time, then trying to do that is again an action with the motive of seeing something new there. How then i try to look at thing differently without trying? 🤔
I'd suggest stop thinking so much...
See who is 'it' which is trying...
Its a total surrender, a honest "i don't know". Normally we do this when we are in the bottom of a
crisis, heavily affected by pain, then we are sincere and crash with a honest "I don't know". You dont need to be in a crisis or in pain to do this, Krishnamurti invites you to embrace this not knowing, and sincerely look at yourself, your feelings, your conflicts, everything happening inside you. Then, you will be able to be free of your baggage and truly look at the matter.
@@endless2461 I have the same struggle. The way I understand it is to watch the kind with everything that's included. With all the motives, let it unfold and see where it brings us. The problem is I keep looking for results. I want to be free and happy and that I'm afraid is still the game of the mind. And then there comes frustrations, feeling of loosing it and that still is the mind. And myself identifying with it. But then I'm able to see it and the process of unfolding continues. And I don't know where it brings me.
@@MegaSkokan and how are you now? Did something happened
Emotion driven people feel attacked by JK, almost all parents.
emotion are real,judgement are not..;)
We are too lazy to go deeper, we ask questions but we dont want to invest more time and effort to find out. Especially in 2022, we became so shallow, i cant even click on a video that is 1 hour because it requires too much effort to watch it, so i watch 1 minute parodys and all the rest of it...
Perception or only concepts
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8:24 was that Sylvester Stallone
Just overcome yourself and control your emotions 😉
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