Servicing "Non Serviceable" Trailer Brakes
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- Replacing brakes on an old trailer with welded on backing plates.
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wes,,its a split pin,,a cotter pin has a nut & a flat..bycycle,type.. ausie..
1 leaf,,impresive,,we have 5 min,,jap steel..anyhoo..id replace the leaf bolts, bushes, u bolts..just for the hell of it..
oh crap..weve had elec brakes for decades..also cable..elec expensive, too much plumbing,wires, controlers. we mainly use hydraulic..
pendulum,??..good for up hills..eh..
our drums have a nut/ cam outside, each side, to adjust shoes. our laws are crap. we went from a 6 x 4 trailer, 1 ton.. single axle. to 6 x 4 1/4 ton. no brakes on any 6 x 4. ever.. some dick, must of had a bad day, killed 10 people, or a kangaroo,,tree hugers,, now if it doesnt have brakes, might as well take a bucket.. 1 sheep syndrome..
Thank you Mrs Wes for putting up with our NEED for your husband to continually get into shenanigans. He’s so very good at what he does, it’s like a drug for us at this point.
Rick Solid, Well said
Here here !
I just love this comment. :)
applause 👏👏 for a well stated comment.
Agreed!
My favorite moments in your videos are when you proceed to do something the armchair quarterbacks in the comments say cannot be done. Keep it up sir, God bless, stay safe, hug your loved ones folks. Thanks for the video Wes.
Everything is serviceable if you have a welder !
Immortal words from Wes !
It is an unique skill for any auto shop. Never underestimate the power of the welder and it's useful uses.
Should be a sticker!
Never a truer word said. I grew up on a farm. The world would starve without farmers armed with welders and the right attitude to mend equipment. 😄
Thanks Wes, your videos never cease to educate… really appreciate you sharing these. The family shots are a great touch
I started work in the aerospace industry straight out of college in 1990. We had 2 3d printers, although that term was about 10 years away - they were called 'rapid prototyping machines'. At the time they really felt like a solution in search of an application, it's amazing to see how the technology has developed.
"rapid"
To a degree it still is. Sure, prototyping and doing one-off jobs like this template and some spare parts that don't need any mechanical strength but that's about it. Most people I know use them to produce toys. I've got to teach kids how to use them and sometimes I wonder why they'd ever need that.
It's still a solution in search of a problem... you should see the dumb things people will print. An engineer i went to school with printed a *plastic plate*
@Ragnar8504 you do realize 3d printers don't just print weak plastics right? And even then if being used for prototyping it is vastly cheaper then most other ways.
@@joshuabaker5712 Most people are thinking of filament printers in the three-digit Euro/USD range though and those are fairly limited. They absolutely have their valuable applications but they're not the be-all and end-all some people seem to think they are.
Considering the price of NEW trailers, it makes economic sense to repair the old stuff. Another great video from you sir,. Thank You!
I remember when my younger brother bought a trailer. Tires where bad, he ordered some replacements.
First tire he tried replacements didn't fit, he called dude said wrong tire, dude sent replacements. Tires arrive, tires still not fitting. What the heck is going on ...
Trailer had 3 matching hubs, and 1 different. He measured front, and back on other side. Got matching numbers so he ordered tires. However rear tire on other side was different size.
We ended up keeping the last set and ordering two he axles. Fun times playing around with that thing, this brought back some memories.
My engineering degree was acquired with nothing more exotic than a slide rule and a drafting board...no calculators or other fancy stuff...wish we had all the new technology... we had a reactor on campus and used a radioactive cobalt pellet to expose film of the internals of our castings....we're still glowing.
Hoping to see a rewiring, and then a test of these new trailer brakes!
3D printer idea for the spacers was genius !!!
Well done Wes! You are a proper engineer and no mistake. Old school hands on skills are sadly missing in a world of virtual reality. Like your Dad I am semi-retired and come from a millwright background, so I recognise the real deal when I see it.
Back in the day a mechanic had skills beyond parts changer/keyboard jockey that included fabrication.
Millwright. Welder torch and a hammer that’s all you need it will fix the crack of day or the break of dawn. Of course a lathe helps too
Well Stated Elton! I Agree!
The brake lathe really came in handy here since that drum isn't exactly something you run out to replace. Great job, everything about this was surgical and reduced waste
Google dayton trailer brake drum. Easy to find brand new and not too expensive. The better choice would be to get drums made with wheel studs in a smaller bolt circle so common 15" or 16" trailer wheels and tires can be used. Those dayton wheels can be a pain to ensure they're on straight.
6am on a Sunday. Must be time to watch another one of Wes’ masterpieces. Cheers from WA state. From one Wes to another thanks as always for the great videos. Time to grab my coffee, sit down at the reloading bench and deprime some brass while I watch.
Are you part of the Sages Reloading family?
@@codysp no?
This is what American ingenuity and creativity used to be. I appreciate you reviving it. Perhaps your example will get other young men thinking about possibilities instead of saying, "I can't."
Fantastic video Wes! A prime example on why every shop needs a metal lathe folks I talk to are usually scared of them but you don't have to be crazy good or accurate for the vast majority of the work most people encounter they're definitely an excellent tool to have. I taught my dad how to use my small Clausing 10x36 lathe and he uses it constantly for making little bushing/spacers and turning down sockets to make a thinner wall for working on his goofy BMWs
Perhaps the 'folks I talk to' skills are a 'liability' unto themselves?
It's incredible how you adapt as you go along; very impressive! I love how you don't shy away from showing the two most controversial things on UA-cam in one video, Welding and how to tighten an axle nut.😂
Awesome job converting the brakes Wes 🙂👍 I've always wondered how difficult that would be. Also looks like you found some BBQ time. Be safe and happy wrenching 🔧🔩
It’s not as bad as I thought it would be!
@@WatchWesWork I had a 69 Chevelle come into the shop about 40 yrs ago in that condition. They had issues with wheel cylinders ripping out of the backing plates so the guy removed everything and was driving around on nothing but 2 rear axles with no brakes, no drums, nothing. He twisted the brake line from the frame down to the rear and soldered it closed. I refused to even work on it and reported it to the state police since it was being driven with only front brakes. I didn't want him on the same roads with my family.
Your videos are great because you're teaching as much as they are entertaining. This is why you are one of the better channels and why we look forward to each one.
Color me impressed at your wide variety of skills Wes...your town is lucky to have somebody like you to take care of their stuff!
I wish I could find a few of these old lever Style Lift Jack's you got @Watch Wes Work
Never knew they made dust cap pliers…learned something for the day! Eating deer sausage breakfast while watching Wes work.
I just use a claw hammer.
Your thoroughness is inspiring Wes!
And I'm glad I'm not the only one who has to turn the adjusters the wrong way first. Every. Single. Time.
Started doing that MANY years ago & i still do it.
And there was me thinking Wes was going to bore out new backing plate using the refurbished Lagun FTV-2 milling machine, but the brake lathe with its three jaw chuck came to the rescue :) The long list of tools required reinforces the old saying... "A guy can never have enough tools"
👍👌👏 That's stuff I like to watch. No diagnosing device necessary, only hands, eyes brain. Using some old equipment but also a 3D printer for making an ingenious, very helpful but still inexpensive template. Congrats for being open minded AND for having the skills to handle old and modern stuff.
I'm eagerly looking forward to watch the next part.
Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards, luck and especially health to all of you.
I'm enjoying the 3D printer content lately.
When you need that specialty tool, or specialty plastic part, you whip out a quick cad design, and print it out. That's a good feeling.
I'm constantly printing things to repair broken things around the house, or just making dumb little widgets that make life a little easier.
One I am going to do soon is a simple spacer for the boards on the fence I need to build next month.
(Fence owner is very picky about that kind of thing, and I'd never hear the end of it if it wasn't perfectly uniform.)
“Torque hammer” made me chuckle, thanks.
As Diesel Creek Matt says, any tool is a hammer if misused enough.
I loved to see all the cool tools come out for this one. Such a simple project with such a twist.. as always.
Would have preferred to see the wiring in the same video but I guess I get it.
Excellent mantra…”anything is possible with a welder”, digging’ your style man 😊 Follow the process, not the plan.
Great video Wes very interesting never seen brakes like that before looking forward to seeing you wiring them up and testing 👍
They use them on most caravans and trailers
@13:05 ... you made my day Wes ... the previous minutes kept wondering "He's really not gonna put that rusty drum on there is he?". And then you broke out the AMMCO Drum Lathe and made me smile !!! You are aces !!! So proud of how your mind comes up with "work arounds" and that 3D printer really did the trick keeping perpendicularity spot on ... we have a "Leica" laser for PI of our C-130J Fuselage jigs ... and has the ability to "3D Scan" a part and print it ... not that we'd do this on an Aircraft ... just fun to play with it. Folks in the antique car world use them to make many trim parts ... like you have a taillight trim ring for the left side but missing on the right ... cut and past (reversed of course). Amazing tech.
Yes. The prices on that tech have come way down to. They have 3D scanners a hobbyist can afford. Not sure how accurate they are, but still it's impressive.
@@WatchWesWork a friend of mine has 2 Elegoo printers, making parts and models in HO scale. With the right drawing talent they are amazing
My old '77 Ford 250 had a brake controller that required brake lines to be plumbed in. I liked it. I still had the ability to adjust the electric brakes on the trailer.
You are the Guru of mechanical repairs. Suggest your letterhead have the following company motto “Bring your tired and broken and I will heal them”
Two things I never seen when I was in the trade in UK dust cap removal tool and that grease bearing packer wish I new they existed lol great show 😁😁👍👍
I suddenly have hankering for a grilled brat . Great video . I think you could make airing up tires an interesting video !
very useful and inspiring..Excellent..Greetings from a traditional Indonesian gold prospector 🇮🇩⚒️⛏️👍👍
Wow. Hope you find a lot!
The 3d jig was genius. A little extra work saved a ton of frustration trying to get the spacing right. Cool project.
as long as you have a machine shop at your beck and call.... love it Wes, never get tired of your Videos 😊
Clearly Wes has watched the movie "Animal House"...."Well, we'll just have to adapt as we go!", followed by the sound of a torch igniting. The only thing missing was the evil laugh :)
This is why I love your channel. Anyone can do a brake job. It is when things don't fit that things get interesting. Thanks for the video!
In a world of craziness, nutcases , insanity and stupidity..one of the few refuges of common sense and humour, is arriving at Watching Wes Work.. Thank you Wes. ;)
Love to see you make that 3d printed guide. I remeber I needed some wacky shaped spring compression tool to rebuild a 4r70w transmission. Could not find it anywhere. Not sure if anyone ever produced it. 3d printing saved the day on that one.
It popped up a ad for walmart other day for these 14.5 tires and wheels. Thought it was odd. We have one trailer with house trailer axles and luckily we have a mobile home place 3 miles down the road to get take off tires and wheels. Lol
Great use of the 3D, really opens up a world of possiblitys, I'm always second guessing myself when it comes to preload on bearings, it's refreshing seeing someone with more experience
Last time I did what you are doing I bolted the whole brake drum and backing plate assembly together and mounted it on the spindle. I then tacked the mounting flange to the axle. Disassembled everything and welded the flange to the axle. Your 3d printed solution also worked very well.
You're the first UA-camr I have seen use and own dustcap pliers. I have a pair AND the related tools to service/repair drum brakes. They're pretty useless nowadays but I inherited a lot of tools from my late father and those tools put food on the table when we were growing up so there's profound respect they've earned. They are neatly arranged in my boxcar-sized tool chest with all the tools I still use constantly.
There's a certain freedom in being able to DIY anything at home and having the proper tools.
Glad you restored your brake lathe because the kid at your local Oh-Why-Me auto parts store wouldn't have been able to find a dia. spec on his cash register/confuser and it's probably not cast into the drum like it is nowadays. Got so hot here in Detroit last week a hot glue gun I left on the seat of my truck glued itself to the seat. I'm still cursing the sun for that one.
Looks like something that would be brought to me by a customer. Thanks Wes!!!
I tell ya,I could watch only your Videos...
You capabilities are endless.
Loved the Outro...
You all have a blessed day.
Love the mojocraft sticker that is awesome on the brake lathe
I will say it again Wes You are so lucky to have the drum machine!
Thank you Wess, for another amazing video. You are definitely a resource mechanic and watching your videos is just a learning experience every time! Thank you for sharing! God Bless!
You do good work in a world where it is usually non-existent. Can't wait for the wiring.
Awesome to see the fusion of trusty know how and old techniques with modern tools like 3D printing. Its people who adapt to the new stuff that stay in business. Great video!
In the old, OLD days, they put a tee in the brake line under the hood and ran a line in under the dash to the controller. The Kelsey Hayes controller had a very mechanical lever sticking out for manual trailer brake application. The lever also moved whenever the brakes were pressed. That fascinated me as a kid.
That was a lot more work than I expected. Great job! Now will we see a video on the wiring? Seems a lot of comments are looking forward to it?
Maybe.
Just as you were wrapping up I thought to myself what are the chances the wiring on this thing works… and then you showed it. Shocking.
And a guy with brains. Many thanks Wes from UK.
If a trailer needs some wiring repairs, I have always found it best to rip all the old out and start fresh. Somebody has been there before you and used Scotch locks and all sorts of crap more than likely. 3D printing is super interesting tech!
When I was a kid, we had a pop-up tent trailer with hydraulic brakes. The hitch tongue was 2 pieces with parallel bars connecting them so that it all formed a 4 bar linkage. A short hydraulic cylinder was attached between the two parts if the tongue. When slowing down, the trailer momentum would cause the hydraulic cylinder to compress, sending fluid to the trailer brakes.
That is actually the way it is done were I live (Germany and in German it is called "Auflaufbremse") the electronic break controller was new too me but for me it kinda is a unnecessary complexity that gives more points too fail and spreads the breaks over the trailer an vehicle instead of being contained in the trailer (service and inspections are better in that way)
What we called overide brakes OK on small trailers not overly strong but did the job
You're quite the wizard making custom tools for the job 3-D printing is pretty cool
Just a heads up. As a fireman, in the last two years I’ve seen two 3D printers catch fire in basements of homes. One was using a laser, the other was your standard ender printer. I’d definitely keep the printer in your shop for overnight prints where you aren’t eyeing it the whole time. Just to be safe.
The printer he bought is a much higher end printer than an ender and the other meh brands. The Prussia has thermal run away protections.
@@ThatPNWGuy2024the Ender series as of ~2 years ago all come with thermal runaway enabled, the problem is if the controller board crashes somehow, and prusa’s use the same firmware underneath. I would definitely trust a prusa more, but I personally would still have other safety measures in place.
Good video a mix of some really old technology and 3D printing. I never purchased a new trailer and watching you i realize im not cheap but as long as i have (NO MONEY) and half a brain I will use every tool i can at what ever the cost to do it myself thank you😊 From tool rich and money poor in New Jersey.
Awesome job with the 3d printer, thats exactly the kind of use case i find them most useful for, quick tool or jig making. Think about grabbing a 0.8mm nozzle for the printer, thicker layer height makes for stronger parts that print in literally half the time of a 0.4mm. You lose a bit of granular detail but i think it's a great tradeoff. Looks cool as hell gooping out a ton of plastic too.
Nothing like the sound of a burning plant and a grinders. As always excellent.
Always just the greatest channel 😊👍
OLD SCHOOL ! I haven't seen a bearing packer like that or an Ammco brake drum/rotor lathe in almost 50 years. They still work great !
Nice work on the 3D printed locating cup! Can’t wait til part 2!
Well living in the UK the idea of electric trailer brakes was a novelty. I'm informed and impressed, thanks Wes. Keep up the good work.
I love the look of those dust cap pliers. seem to work well too.
Something my dad did when we did drop brakes he would adjust the brake and he would mark the backing plate adjuster up or down for the adjuster it sure helped on them old trailers
Best video in a while🎉👍🏁🇺🇸keep em coming
I am 65 and when I was 10 my dad learned me how to turn drums and a few years later rotors on Ammco lathes
In college got edumcated on CNC lathes and mills I am glad you are using your 3D Printer I have no interest in learning that technology as I am retired But you go young man 👍👍
I cannot figure out how this channel doesn't have close to a million subscribers. One of the best content channels on UA-cam
Nice work Wes and it helps to have some equipment like lathes and welders and of course a little smarts. Keep on smiling.
Started doing this 30 yrs ago. Good to see someone put it on video. I never had a lathe though or a 3d printer..... cut the flange centers with a plasma cutter and measured. Brake shoes are self centering so as long as your within 1/16" you have no weird wear patterns.
Adapt, improvise, overcome!
I have a trailer service division. Done plenty of these flatbeds. I feel your pain…especially the wiring. Make sure you wire in a breakaway control box as its a legal requirement. It’s better to grimace, just start fresh and run all brand new wires with solder seal connectors into a junction box with a 7-way harness. It makes life easier. I run dedicated ground wires from the brakes up to the junction box ground as frame grounds tend to corrode and go bad, leaving you without brakes when the electrical connection fails…usually at the worst time.
The stuff you are doing with that 3D printer is super cool. It makes me realize how non-creative I am. I would miss all of these opportunities to use it.
Wonderful work Wes ! Here in Australia, most caravans use electric brakes, so we are very familiar with them.
I remain humbled by the stuff you do. You are a man of many talents. If you ever want to work on an MG A let me know I have a noisy first gear that someday needs to be addressed. It might be an interesting video. Until then best wishes and thanks for sharing
DAMN, you young Wes, your clever- loI `m so old school I never saw or used a 3D printer in my once working life but as I watched my brain was ticking over still thinking through old school solutions. The simplicity of modern problems never fails to amaze and still teach this 75 year olds brain, so I thank you for that. - Ian -UK.
Now that I have seen the _trailer_ I am certainly looking forward to watching to full movie. 😁
The most modern pieces of equipment my school had was a Gestetner and Slide Rules. Ooo weee, fancy stuff. ✔✔
Great video and well done on the break's Mr Wes thank you for sharing oh and it wouldn't be a great video without Mrs Wes stay safe bro
Wes I bought a shop built goose neck trailer. It had mobile home axles under it. My neighbors told me I needed to change the hubs. Buy different wheels. I did not. I put 8´´ 14.5 12 ply tires on it. Rewired the lights and brakes. Replaced the jack. It was rusted solid. It's a light trailer. It's 8x 24 flat bed triple axle. My one ton handles it just fine. I don't have a lot of money tied up in it!
Love you videos, always makes my day when I get that notification of an upload! Even if you have to pull back and do them less often to focus on actually making money for your family, will always enjoy them!
The fade out list of whats need ...........a classic gave ma a big smile , great videos Wes keep em coming
I've found great deals on trailers but walked away due to brakes. This is eye opening actually. I guess if you have the tools as I do and the willingness to take the time, , this would make those trailers viable. Thanks bud for the great video. As always great info!! 👍👍
Yep. Just slide under and see if the mounting flanges are intact. Love this channel.
Great work. Trailer brakes are like magic. It looks like at 15:11, when you pulled the drum back off, the dust seal and bearing stayed on the spindle and then you slid the drum back on. That may have caused an issue with the seal not going back in properly. Thanks for the vid!
Sweet Wes is back dunnnuunu 😂 @Watch Wes Work
"Torque hammer" got me good. 😂
I first saw a 3D printer on a tour of the Jaguar development centre back in about 2007. The use case they gave was making a prototype of the headlight area of a car to make sure it was possible to change the headlight bulb without taking half the car apart.
During my undergrad days in ~2010, a fellow student was working on an early DIY 3D printer.
Wild how far they've come in the last few years in particular.
The whole rep rap movement is pretty impressive.
When I saw Wes pushing the trailer in toward the lift, I thought he was going to use the lift to hoist it up to working-man height, much the same as you would with a car.
That was my first impression . Imagine my surprise when he set it on the floor... 😮 Work position of comfort...
I tend to spend an inordinate amount of time getting things at the height I want them to save my old back. Was eyeballing the u bolts thinking I'd be tempted to drop the axle...always making more work for myself.😢😂😂😂
I did my master on support software for stereolitography in 1994. The equivalent of what cost $150 grand back then can now be had for $500… Nice job.
You can buy a functional 3d printer for $100. It's mind boggling.
Nice job! about 110% better than the original junk brakes. Liked the torque hammer technique. Use that one myself! 8^) You have inspired me to make a few BBQ smokies for lunch. Hope the ants enjoyed the sandwich your young fella made 'em!
My Dad built a 26 footer with 6 foot steel standers in the 1970's from scratch with 2 moblie home axles w/ electric brakes.😊 Good Stuff🎉🎉
Thank you for a very enjoyable video!
The ending was just..... "chef's kiss"....perfection. Love your use of the 3D printer to make an alignment fixture. Awesome work, and from a fellow Illinoisan, as well.
3d printers have come along ways
Really loved the video, thanks for sharing, Ever since I was a boy learning to do Drum breaks on a 94 Saturn, I have always enjoyed doing breaks on anything.
Those type of axels are illegal down here in Georgia someone had to have his on trailer replaced with the newer style of Axel it's not cheap
I can't see any reason they would be illegal. They are required to have brakes, but that's it.
I installed breaks on an axle years ago with the help of my dad.
We installed the mounting bracket on the break back with 3/16 spacers then clamped the breaks onto the wheel hub and mounted it. Then tacked the bracket.
Removed everything and welded the brackets in.
That was 35 years ago, before them fancy new printers.... great job. I think your way is a lot easier....