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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Seriously: NOBODY talking about Midjourney's copyright lawsuit news, or how Zazzle has been sued for hundreds of millions of dollars!
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I did back-to-back news videos for the first time this week. Am I making too many news videos? 🤔 And also: what do you think of the copyright lawsuits Zazzle & Midjourney are facing? 🤔
The more we see of you, the butter 🧈! ❤
I love your news videos, please keep them coming!
All I care at the moment is I CAN NOT find a print on demand company with reasonable shipping rates. Printful calendar £20.10 + £16.99 shipping. I mean What The F... How are we supposed to make money with these companies. If you know please tell us.
I think the font designer has a very strong case, particularly given the information your disclosed in the video. For Zazzle to continue to use the font 2 years after a cease and desist....well, I wouldn't want to be the company lawyer that advised them on that course of action.
I think eventually the drama will die down, but you might as well cover it while things are hectic
I must say Sara your sponsors the last few videos have been nothing short of excellence. That lady deserves all the customers she can get.
Well said, Sarah is a genius Also she makes me laugh everytime she says Itsy
Excellent reporting on this industry. Thank you!
Thank you for the news videos! Please keep it up!!!
Thank you Sarah for all you do.
Great video! Thanks so much for keeping our community informed!
Thanks for filling the POD news vacuum. 😃
I ordered something on Zazzle and it was so pixelated that I got my money back. Ended up just photo printing the image I wanted at the pharmacy for a fraction of the price in the end LOL
Thanks for these updates!
Outstanding reporting! Thank you... I have learned a great deal from your work. I like your style :)
Love the news vids! WOW I need to try that Chatgpt trick. AWESOME! Thanks Sara
your channel is the best. you are super intelligent and tactical about it, you have the technical explanation that I like (coming from data analytical background) that supports WHY i can or cannot succeed. I hate the whole ' oh it works, look at all these other stores' angle.
Really great Beautiful cool video .... thank you Sarah.....
Thanks for the video!
Thank you so much for this! Especially the extra with generating art Chatgpt ❤
Great information, thank you. These videos are a must watch to see the latest info in the Ai world.
Thank you! Question (if you see this) are you interested in the other POD news too: or just the AI news?
@@WholesaleTedThose are interesting to see what's happening in the POD world as well. It keeps me informed on what's new and what each companies are doing to keep themselves competitive.
makes you wonder if chat gbt actually keeps your referrence photos to boot
Yesterday I cancelled my $500 midjourney subscription. My prompts resulted in very beautiful illustrations when I first signed up but now after 8months they look like nothing even when using the same version. I'm an artist who thought that I could use MJ as a shortcut but it only made my workflow longer and more stressful. I now got back to creating my own art from scratch.
Oh dear!
You have to resort to being creative as an artist?
Ugh, what is this world coming to?
Lol. Good, you lazy bum.
Congratulations, Sir!
Why did you have a $500 subscription? The results are the same with a $10 one
try stable diffusion, it has a lot more control. MJ is a company, they will cut corners wherever they can, including the AI performance. SD runs locally or you can rent servers, and you got the full control with any model of your choosing
This was so helpful, thanks so much!
Thank you Emma. Love my Captain Hudson, he is gorgeous, congratulations on all of the money you both raised 🐈
Thank you lots and lots. 🥰😁
No.. keep them coming !!!!
Love you updates...
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Can I use etsy mockup or not????
I've had long discussions with numerous people (artists, fellow writers, and graphic designers). it was always going to tough for artists to win their lawsuits based on how it was written. Even as an author, I find that trying to restrict what AI can be trained on is similar to trying to prevent students from not analyzing and learning from your work. As long as it doesn't spit out an exact copy of something then it doesn't breach any copyright laws. If you work within any of the creative industries learning and understanding how copyright works is extremely important. Just like the AI issues that the screen actors guild is dealing with. If they understood copyright law then they would understand that production studios can't use a person's likeness for commercial profit without their consent. In regards to written and artistic works, you can't copyright style so as long as it doesn't produce a visual duplicate of a written or art piece of work then copyright claims have no legal foundation. I've constantly told people that if they want to try to win then they need to change their argument.
Some good points. I would be interested in hearing arguments that laws in-general should be modified or updated due to AI (also interested in hearing arguments opposite to that as well) but based on CURRENT laws, there doesn't seem to be anything that Stable Diffusion/Midjourney are legally doing wrong.
@@WholesaleTed I believe that the first thing that you have to argue is how training an AI model (that does not store the training images) differs from an art student buying books of art, taking pictures at art galleries, looking up art through google and studying them to learn how to draw or paint.
I should add that changing the law to allow art/writing styles to be copyrighted would destroy the creative community and make it impossible for thousands of artists to earn any decent income.
@@allnitedj72 Really interesting points. I think AI models do infringe copyright, because their training uses a literal copy of a copyrighted work to produce a product, the AI software, which is then sold or rented. This is very different from a student who just absorbs their own interpretation of the work of art for their own cognitive system, which is not a *good* that you sell or rent.
If I’m right, AI companies could only sell already generated images, without allowing users to use the software themselves. It remains open the question as to whether they could be allowed to exploit economically the software output. There is mathematical evidence that AI has memory, and that you can extract back information. Indeed you can ask for a photo realistic rendition of a famous monument or landscape and you can clearly recognize it. So the system must have a literal memory of it. But for these arguments you would need a systematic scientific study.
Hello from the past Sara❤ Nice to see you again darling❤
Hello from Thursday morning 👋 you can look forward to a beautiful sunny day tomorrow 🌞
@@WholesaleTed its almost 9 pm here in Norway 🫣
I think the part the judge allowed is the only legal leg the artist have to stand on. I can see that an artist should be allowed to have their images removed from stable diffusion. That's still iffy.
When painting for Etsy, is it necessary to give frame space, for example when painting a 24*36* painting? Some pictures on Etsy have a frame gap and some do not. If so, how many inches should be given? Is it possible to do it without giving any frame space? I added 2 inches from one side, is that a problem?
Another fantastic video Sarah and hopefully Zazzle lose's the law suit because it’s wrong what they were doing making money from the fonts they didn't own the copyright to. Love 🥰 the video and hopefully Sarah is having a great week so far. Love 💞 Sarah.
I have uploaded my own images and fought with MJ to recreate them for hours and still couldn't get it close enough. We all trained by using reference images. I still paint using reference images many years later. As a professional artist, I understand the concerns of other artists, but this lawsuit isn't going anywhere. Time would be better spend either working with AI, perhaps incorporating it into their work, or learning to work around it by creating art that can't be replicated by AI. I do both.
Hey Veronica, I'm a traditional artist as well, mostly drawing, photography, videography, writing, graphic design. I have also used reference images , we all have. I have also used MJ since it came out & I have been paying for a private account where nobody can see what I create and my prompts.
Let's be honest, most people that us Ai art apps are NOT artistically inclined at all & they all design the most static Same-y static images & it's hilarious. Best of all they are so uninspired that they use apps like Chat GPT to do their creative prompting for them lol & it's still generic garbage.
Artists have nothing to fear from people using Ai tools.
I have seen actually great stuff from actual artists. I use it to illustrate my short stories that are generally cosmic horror, Lovecraftian inspiration.
If you create enough with it, an actual artist can bend Midjourney to their artistic will and have their own style, but it requires a lot of time & I also believe having a private account trains the tool to better create for you. I have consistent models for my female characters that replicate the same woman which the right words.
Great luck & keep creating & designing. Oh yeah, that's what I call it, I say my Ai stuff is designed by me and created by MJ, because I didn't create the art it puts out, I only wrote my short story.
I hadn’t heard about this lawsuit but this is egregious
Which one?
You should make a tutorial on managing assets and licenses 😊
Has Zazzle yet made it possible to release a design on all products again instead of having to upload it for each one separately?
not yet
You're amazing! I love it. 😎👍😻
how do I join that suit? So many of mine stolen and on Zazzle!
It isn't a class action lawsuit, so it can't be joined
Sarah, the link for the Print on Demand course goes to your Shopify & Etsy course; is there another link please? Thanks. 🥰
That is the course, it's designed for people who are running their POD businesses through either (or both) of those platforms 🙏
My partner is an artist and he's very frustrated to see people make easy money by selling AI art. He's lost several potential customers because they only want something quick and easy and cheap so who would want to pay a lot of money for someone's hard work?
I get it, I really do. You've learned and worked for years just so someone else can use your work to create cheap images to sell for a penny. He's fine with private use, no issues there. But, spending hours on your art and then someone comes along and earns money through your hard work is a bit of a slap in the face.
I can understand his feelings on this. But to play a little devils advocate. Is he fine with other artists studying his work? Is he fine with other artists creating works that are similar to his art style? That's the base underlying question here. If Midjourney doesn't store the art that its trained on (which as stated is impossible as the largest Stable diffusion models are only about 7-9 gb in size), then what argument is there that training an AI is different than new art students studying hundreds of artists' work? Is it a question of the artist not wanting someone to duplicate their style? If you know that the current arguments for this don't work (because the current arguments don't prove anything illegal) what other arguments can you use?
And just to throw this out there as someone who has paid for commission artwork before, commissioned art isn't cheap. And you typically do get what you pay for (i.e. lower commission costs = lower quality of art). This has typically put commissioned art out of the reach of most people and out of reach of most start up businesses. So what is the argument behind restricting one person/businesses ability to progress in their endeavors just because it might impact someone else? AI has a lot of weaknesses and short comings. It can be very difficult to generate specifically formatted images. Its great a generalization or if you don't know exactly what you want, but if you have a need for a very specific pose or setting or background your playing Vegas odds on getting AI to generate it.
Please don't take what I said negatively. I'm just trying to open up the conversation. Decisions made now without intelligent discourse and considering the ramifications could have huge negative impacts later.
Your partner should use AI for those customers.......😮
That way they serve both high end original and low budget customers😮
@@allnitedj72 @allnitedj72 Studying someone's art as practice is a widely accepted thing in the art circle. Earning money through pretending it's yours, or selling it without permission isn't.
I won't argue about the whole "AI is bad" thing because I don't disagree with its use. I just disagree with people using it to make money.
Asking permission is very simple. Collaborating with artists to create AI art should be quite easy, there should definitely be some that can be talked to.
I'll say it again. I don't disagree with AI art used for personal or private use. I disagree with using it without consent to make money.
Wow, these old lawyers and judges are a lot more savvy than I was giving them credit for. I'm impressed and heartened :) I'll leave my old-people-griping for biden then. "He should figure out how to use office before coming up with software regulations"
Hi Sara! Thank you for your videos :) I need some advice - About a month ago I opened my etsy pod shop, where I sell restored art posters by well-known artists. I am up to just over 60 listings - In the last 30 days I have had 73 visits and only 1 sale (The one sale comes from a family member). I myself think I have a nice and well-designed shop with good products, mockups, my own logo, etc.
So my question is: Why am I not getting any sales? What can I do to get it going?
Great question, I'm hoping to release a video tomorrow (fingers crossed no delays) that will be discussing this very topic!
They both will. The artist WILL, and rightfully so, receive a lot of money for their work. However, I believe that it will be in the form of an undisclosed settlement amount, with the understanding that no one talks about it and the artist collects future royalties for its use. I’m not and expert, but that’s usually how these things seem to work.
Last time I was this early my ears were ringing from the Big Bang.
I know about copyright law and have fought for years in federal court. Using the decision based on my case Gordon v McGinley, there is no way artists will win against these type of manifestation and depictions in AI. In my case, the defendant had 100% access to my work and even the judge in the appellate court said it was so similar he could not tell the difference but you can be sure the bigger company wins and these artists have to shut up and take it now because no one cared when it happened to me over 300 times.
Hi, great video, however did you see the shipping price of the printify calendar? They are crazy, $21.89 shipping to Europe! Plus the $14.37 Product. Thats $36.26 plus the fees and our profit. I think prinitfy is mad.
Your target market for that calendar is unlikely to be Europe, it would be the USA. In saying that, I have had plenty of European customers pay some VERY high shipping prices, and my conversion rate on those customers is still well over 2% which has taught me that plenty of people still pay them anyway, lol
@@WholesaleTed🙋♀️Hi Sarah, love your channel, as you are always very informative and present all your info so well.
As far as something like a calendar goes, I would think that there must be at least one POD in Europe that offers them, and so shipping with in Europe would then be affordable.
It's actually not that surprising that there is no Europe-based POD provider that is printing calendars like this yet. The selection of products in Europe is always going to be much smaller.
It is very expensive for POD providers to exist in Europe, compared to the USA, because the USA is set up as a whole for manufacturing.
There are 2 countries in the world that dominate manufacturing: the USA & China. Not only is this due to their size, but it's also due to a range of different investments/policies that the countries have in-place, to support & encourage manufacturing.
No country in Europe has this support in-place, making it much harder & more expensive to set up manufacturing there, which is why the selection of Europe-made (or Europe-printed) products is much less than what is available in the USA (and China).
As a POD company, you have a much wider range of products available to you if you decide to become a USA-first store, which is why I always recommend doing that, rather than focusing on Europe. I don't really see any good advantage to picking Europe over the USA. It makes no difference to you, the store, given where you're physically based is irrelevant - all that matters is where your POD provider is based!
@@WholesaleTed In that case is it better to have the same listing duplicated but one would use a US printing company the other use a EU printing company? Is this a bad idea to duplicate a listing with different shipping profiles?
Wowwww it's getting crazy
I like this business thank you madam
Dalle 3 + chatgpt combo is insane. I do wonder and worry, though, what will become of PoD when many more people figure out how easy and fast it is to create good-looking artwork these days? It might become so competitive, that only the top few big dogs earn big, while 99% of the rest earn little to nothing.
Canva IMHO already killed the artist advantage. You already had millions of incredible pictures and elements at your finger tips that you could just drag and drop. Ai art is just another stock image library. It isn't the art that sells, it's the ideas. Filling gaps in the market with great product ideas is what sells and is the key to making money.
@@WholesaleTed "It isn't the art that sells, it's the ideas" ain't that the truth. Hopefully no one figures out how to monetize that too and turn it into another one-click tool for anyone to use. Right now, the right ideas still require some know-how and research, even with AI as a helper.
@@DesignPupsShop At the end all boils down to the human creativity element. Because as soon as everybody uses AI, it's like nobody uses it. So AI will become just yet another software that people use, and we'll have to add the extra bit of cleverness that AI can't provide. Back to square 0.
@@federicoaschieri With AI it's a bit different, though, because you can practically outsource your thinking. No tool did that till now. But true, once everyone starts doing that, there won't be any advantage. Unique, hand-drawn and original art might just become much more valuable in an AI-driven art market.
@@DesignPupsShop I don't agree that AI can think, or at least does it far worse than us, otherwise we could just ask AI to create a successful online business and we'd just watch and do what it tells us 😆 20-30 years down to the road maybe we''ll outsource creative thinking, but now, not yet. That's the human element I was mentioning. Now AI just imitate our existing products.
Well good for the font artist! Hopefully, she wins & rips Zazzle a new one. Woe to us sellers but I'd rather her get her $$ & shut them down than them be allowed to continue to do this. There's no telling how many others they've done it to also if they did it once.
It's truly wild if true. They are a multi billion dollar brand. It's crazy.
I'm not able to upload pictures to chatgpt yet and I pay monthly and have on the beta features. Is this available to everyone or rolling out slowly?
I believe it has been rolled out globally. It doesn't work, if you specifically select DALL-E which is what I was initially doing and was confused as to why it wasn't working 🙏
Okay I’ll have to try again. I tried it without selecting DALL E but when I start copying the images in ChapGPT it says that it cannot produce images. I’m not able to copy an image at all. Maybe I’ll wait a full 8 hours and try again?
Love the long hair Sarah! It may seem that I tune in to see how much your has has grown but believe me, your content is the cream of the crop in this space. Thanks as always!
It's just so incredibly lame that zazzle wouldn't pay her what she deserved for them using her design. It's not like they can't afford it, they're just being greedy at that point.
Great video. I tried the trick at the end of your video. I had beta features turned on but it refused to generate image based on my reference image. What am I missing here?
Are you just in ChatGPT or DALL-E? You need to be in ChatGPT, it didn't work for me when I selected DALL-E specifically.
@@WholesaleTed I'm in ChatGPT (when DALL-E is selected, I can't paste or upload any image at all). So, when I uploaded an image an ask it generate using that as reference, it said it couldn't do it.
So, I asked again and this what I got.
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me: You have ability to generate image based on reference image now, right? So why you said you were unable to do it?
GPT: My apologies for the confusion. I can indeed assist with generating a cartoon image based on the photograph you've provided. I'll get started on that right away. Please hold on for a moment.
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, but I am unable to directly generate images at this time....
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So, I guess the feature is somehow not available for me. Not sure if it's geo blocked (I'm in Thailand)
Interesting. It's definitely supposed to be rolled out to all ChatGPT Plus/ChatGPT 4 users. Hopefully you'll be able to access it soon!
@@WholesaleTed It was like that until I went to bed last night. I woke up today and saw that GPT interface has changed and I can now do what you did in the video, plus the "explore" button that brings to custom GPT and "Create a GPT" is here. I guess they have been rolling out one region at a time?
@@WholesaleTed note that I still have trouble creating images using the same seed, though. It worked sometimes and the others DALL-E just ignored my instruction to use specific seed and just use random seeds. I once hit "regenerate" a few times to see if it'd eventually come back to the specific seed I instructed (I asked it to provide seed number every time it generates even though it's the same seed in the instruction). Turned out it stopped generating all together and told me it can't generate images using specific seed provided. That's a bummer.
That's crazy about mid journey
What do you think about the case? Who do you agree with?
@@WholesaleTed as an artist I feel for the ones suing. But it's an unwinnable case without hard proof and doing a deep dive. They should have thought about the whole process of finding a smoking gun before suing. It's just a mess. I love AI art but I dislike it at the same time.
That's fair - it's a complicated situation!
@@WholesaleTed yes definitely
Are there any free fonts that people can use comercially?
Yes! Lots of fonts are free for commercial use. Google Fonts are a great example. It is up to the creator of the font to give it its license.
Can I buy items on etsy and put them on merch amazon? Thank you.
What exactly do you mean, I am a little confused by the question I am sorry - Amazon Merch is a service that let's you upload art to sell. Do you mean, can you buy art on Etsy and then upload it to Amazon Merch? I am unsure, the art would have to have a license that allowed that. It sounds like it could be an easy way to accidentally get banned from Amazon Merch and honestly, they dint mess around!
The extremely outdated copyright laws are the bane of humanity these days, they should just trash the lot and start from scratch but companies keep lobbying.
One guy is using AI to generate every note combination possible and burning them on a disc, this would, based on the previous rulings of courts, make him able to sue every new song created for copyright infringement since no company has ever lost a lawsuit on same terms.
I gotta side with Sarah! One time personal use is way different than commercial use and paid fees or royalties!
And I may have the name wrong. So the “font lady” is whom I was referring too! My bad!
About Canva's Ai Image Creator, would you happen to know what the dimensions of the images it creates are? It's odd, because I also uploaded an image in two different sizes, yet they pop onto the canvas seemingly the same size 🤔 I want to make sure the images I put together on Canva print out with good "DPI". Also, you're an amazing person, Sarah. I'm so glad to know about you 🙂
The dimensions are given in the aspect ratio below if the styles.
@@craftingwithpouidesigns Sorry, but I was referring to the dpi of the images or something like (200px by 200px) or (20in x 20in) 🙂 From my understanding, if dpi is low, then print quality won't be good.
So everyone who makes a living through zazzle, who’ve invested YEARS of their lives into that platform, will lose their livelihood overnight for a font that, let’s be honest, looks like 1000 other fonts just like it. I’m all for supporting artists but the only thing she’s owed is the commercial fee. Plus she will single handily wipe out the businesses of other artists by trying to sue for such a ridiculous amount.
I really hope a lawsuit like this wins big.
Honestly I spent a few weeks learning AI, generating some awesome imageries, and contemplating if I should use it to make some money. But in the end, deep down I knew it’s wrong, as it would not benefit me as an artist, nor will it provide satisfaction in any work I will produce from AI. I knew it’s a tool can absolutely generate art and sell it (if you know how, in a smart way of using it). But it felt wrong. So now I’m learning creating art without AI, and designing my own logos with satisfaction. However, this whole AI situation is making me nervous, as the rat race of AI generated images will eventually take over majority of creative jobs. So now I’m thinking physical art instead of anything digital. Sad times ahead.
I don't understand your guilt. Artists go to school and they learn art styles from the masters often trying to imitate those masters as they learn to create their own art style. A computer system that is learning from artists and photographs and then creating its own art style is not "wrong" or stealing. -- Now that same AI that is deep faking images, video & audio of living people - that is wrong because it is misleading, unless that person gives permission for it to be used creatively and is compensated.
Newsflash. Artists also use AI, so you cannot have it both ways.
I guess because with artists who go to art school to learn how the masters painted and then try to imitate those brushstrokes, it still requires effort on the artists part. AI image generation is great for ideation and concepting ideas., but it's always going to be 'close' but not what the art director had in mind.
How did she figure out who the employee was?
Probably by going back through her sales history. She might have found a name which then had a company profile when she googled it.
The Beta settings option doesn't appear for me :(
You need to be using ChatGPT Plus
Well, if any of these litigious artists went to school and were taught to be an artist by referencing other artist's work, then they need to own up and pay out.
The difference is that the artist being referenced was paid by the person/company who wrote the textbook, or filmed the documentary etc. Even the art gallery which exhibited their art work which a student viewed would've paid the artist for the privilege. So perhaps, the artists whose work is being referenced should be paid?
As an artist, I am delighted that one of the major global companies is finally being sued for theft of this kind.
However, as someone who just wanted to get started with Zazzle, it's...inconvenient. To put it mildly.
But I hope the Font Artist wins.
It doesn't hurt to list your designs for sale on Zazzle. Worst case scenario, you profit in the meantime. In reality, they will probably end up settling, but of course - you never know, it is up to Nicky.
True, it can't hurt. I'll just try anyway.
Thank's Sarah
You might be interested in the Shutterstock story.
They recently admitted that since 2021 they have been secretly and illegally selling an Ai image generating company (OpenAi) access to their 80,000 account holders 300,000,000 images to train Dalle 3, a new Ai programme.
Interesting that none of the UA-cam anti Al commentators are squeaking about that.
Ironically I advised a client within the last 6 months of the IP surrounding fonts, and that they should source a designer to create a font specifically for them, that they would then own the rights to, and make sure they were completely covered for the products they then created.
Are there any free fonts that people can use comercially?
@@roxyskittens best bet is to google 'copyright free fonts' and look at the terms of use, or FAQs on websites you find to see if it includes commercial use. I would also advise that when you ever intend to use assets from websites like this, screen shot the relevant website pages and make sure you file them, so that if there is any issue in the future you can cover yourself.
A source is a thing you have, not an action you do.
@@Apeiron242 congratulations for a comment with zero value. Yes you can indeed 'source a designer', yes you can use Source as a verb.
source used as a verb:
to obtain or procure; used especially of a business resource
As an artist, I hope they do a better job of stopping all copyright infringement and also stop all artificial intelligent from infringing upon other people's work! I also feel that the only images people should be allowed to use for reference in chat gpt are pictures they have taken themselves
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I don't think copyright legal action against image generators is gonna work because image generators are not breaking copyright law.
You can at most say that image generators combine styles and influences.
Well, who else does that?
Just about everybody. Every painter in the past was influenced by their predecessors.
All of us combine styles and influences of other people, just like the image generator.
The generators just do it faster and better in all ways. Now you can just create and not get hung up on technique.
@figaro-dg5c5 I agree with you. I am 100% for artist not having their work stolen. However this is a slippery sloap. You can say the same thing about artist who draw inspiration from other artist in their creations. You would have to hold them accountable as well.
This isn't going to work. You are trying to copyright styles of artistic approach and ideas that people have had. Neither of those have been able to be protected in the past so, even if there was some success in this case, I think it would be challenged.
For example the people who created the styles of various artistic movements were unable to copyright it, that is why images in pop-art style (just one example) are freely available even though particular works by artists are still within copyright. Keep individual images far enough away from the original and it doesn't matter that the style is instantly recognizable.
The same with authors. When an author creates a world (JK Rowling springs to mind) they cannot stop derivative wannabes from writing additional stories in their worlds and capitalizing on the author's ideas.
I wish it was otherwise, in a way. I have had a great idea that I'm taking to market in 2024 (I've done market research) and I already know that I'm going to be copied relentlessly once it's out there and there's nothing I can do about it.
You are going to have to start by proving how a machine AI looking at millions of images to produce images which are not significantly like any one single image is any different from an art student looking at hundreds of images to produce images which are not significantly like any one single image.
Yes AI can "look" at millions of images in the time it takes a human to look at mere tens or hundreds. Yes AI is going to grasp certain fundamentals almost instantly and is not going to require the hours of producing "learning" art. However, what AI will not be able to do is come up with its own ideas or uses. Humans will quite rapidly work out ways to use AI as a tool in completely new ways - just like the camera never put the paint artist out of existence and digital cameras did not put photographers out of existence. There will be a new generation of artists that will use AI in ways the man on the street cannot match unless he spends hundreds of hours learning how to be at which point he is no longer the man on the street but one of the new artists.
I hope the artist wins, it's high time these greedy soulless corporations get put in their place and face the repurcussions of stealing artists work and profiting. I bet the clown that took the fonts without consent is the employee of the month haha
I mean who in their right mind would try to con a big company like Zazzle by using lawsuit card? this wouldn't be news if the lawyer of the font owner aren't sure that they wouldn't win. I hope she wins and get what she rightfully earns if this is true.
On the surface I do agree, but there could be some sort of misunderstanding, because the artists in the Midjourney lawsuit also seemed to have some misunderstandings about how it works, yet sued it anyway for things it literally does not do. So that's why I'm pretty curious to find out what happens if this goes to trial, to see the full story of what on earth happened as I haven't heard Zazzles defence yet.
It's such a grey, sticky area with many lawsuits still to come, I feel. I'm also concerned about human-made art/design dying off as AI takes over because it is cheaper and easier to produce. :(
There's such a huge difference in quality between fine Art & AI Art.
I equate AI Art to fast fashion. In volume more people buy might buy AI art than original art...but People who buy original art will still exist on a scale.
@IvySnowFillyVideos AI is improving all the time though. Look how far it's come over the last few years. Imagine where it will be in a few more or a decade...
This could well be a problem. If an individual artist spends X number of years perfecting a style and approach, only to see AI sweep in and carry it off for talent-less people to use in literally 1/1000th of the time, and in such quantities that the original artist can't hope to keep up, some people might well want to keep their work out of the internet altogether. We'd all end up the poorer in that case.
Completely agree with that article. Sounds like all the anti AI art people and artists suing have no ide how AI image generation works. There is no way generate a 1:1 of the input data as it basically destroyed in the process so you will not be able to generate it back
I thought fonts in English were not copyrightable
The font files themselves are protected by copyright in the USA, so you can't download a font file and then reupload that file without someone's permission, which is what the allegation is here.
stable diffusion is the open source model made by stability ai, midjourney uses their own proprietary model
True - I should clarify - Stable Diffusion is generally thought to be linked to Midjourney's model, which is how the two got mixed up in the lawsuit. Midjourney's model is not open source, unlike Stable Diffusion, so it can't be proven.
@@WholesaleTed perhaps both still use laion as source
This is a schoolboy error by Zazzle. Truly, what on earth were they thinking? Distributing a third party IP without purchasing a valid license is beyond crazy. Regarding AI image creation, I sympathise hugely with the artists but I think they might misunderstand how the technology works. Its more a dynamic filter that is continuously learning how to respond to its environment and inputs, rather than a fixed set of algorithms looking at a fixed set of data. You can even see the filtering process live in Midjourney.
Fascinating! An example of how technology is moving faster than our slow-moving societal constructs can keep up with 😮
IDK wouldn't be surprised if we heard that zazzle settled for an undisclosed amount.
Me too! We will probably never find out the full story.
"Unethically Sourced"
When a Genuine Intelligence does it, it's called "Inspiration".
From what Midjourney (and Stable Diffusion) have disclosed, it seems that what they do is just click on links to images that have been hosted for free online, and look at them, and that is it. Similar to a human opening up an image and looking at it 👀
@@WholesaleTed Yes, that's what I'm trying to say. It's not much different than a human artist looking at a piece by another human artist that they admire, saying "That has excellent technique; I want to imitate that style in a future piece of my own." And then doing it.
@@MortonMcCastle yes, and these softwares don't just copy they combine different styles to create something new. Like you do, like everybody.
I wouldn't say imitate, the software more like emulates.
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Lawsuits are all failing because in order to violate copyright laws, an AI would need to be able to create nearly identical pieces of existing work. They cannot... And an artists "style" is not copyrightable. Art is abstract and cannot be patented even. If I see a piece of art, like the style, and decide to make some art resembling it by hand, there are no laws to stop me. In as much the same, when AI learns art, it's not copying the art identically, nor even storing the art to it's memory; instead it picks up on line, shape, color, etc - aspects of art as a person would. It's just like reading a book and giving a summary of what you read. You consumed the words, you cannot relay them in entirety, rather your interpretation of a series of events. AI does the exact same. Lawsuits will continue to fail. Otherwise, they'll have to start suing school children for reading books and writing essays - claiming "derivative" and education will come to a complete halt 🤫 Bob Ross created 10 million other Bob Ross' don't forget 😅
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Who should win? I think people should stop being so harsh on themselves. This world is too confused and confusing. Because if someone "steals" an art from me, sure I wont be too happy because of the stealing, but I will be very hapoy for you if that stealing helps you live better life and for you to put food on the table. That's what I think. Anyway we are not getting anything from this world, nobody took anything, the money is here, the house, the cars, everything... Nobody took anything with them from this world. And I'm not sure about the knowledge though.
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Zazzle can suck eggs. Last time I was on there they had a warning that if anyone made products that didn't align with their politics they would ban them from the platform. I don't personally make anything political or even controversial but on principle alone, I left the platform.
As an artist who draws, paints, sculpts and also does use computers in some fashion… AI can piss off
"As an artist", nobody cares about you or your art. Shame, go cry us a river.
Artsy fartsy types have been trying to copyright style for decades but it just can't be done. All types of artistic content are surveyed by people all the time before they produce anything so wouldn't they actually be copying a rendition of someone else's work or an amalgamation of artistic concepts? Inspiration generated by another artist isn't copyright infringement but an adaptation of a style of work towards a whole new creation. AI using artworks for reference towards new creations is just a new development that artists are going to have to accept. The fact that AI can generate millions of images in an instant at anyone's request should be what concerns journeymen maestros as they are only able to produce work a single piece at a time.
I think the artists bringing the lawsuit against Midjourney is a kneejerk reaction, although maybe not unjustified. In a world where we can ask a computer to paint a picture or write a book they are probably worried what the future holds for them. However, as long as Midjourney isn't storing images of their work, I don't see any difference in using it as part of the system learning and an art student studying their painting which will undoubtedly influence their style in the future.
Its true. Legally speaking AI isn't doing anything against the law. If artists want to change the law then they need to change their argument and understand the repercussions.
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ai art is generated by information fed by users, the ai systems do not come up with anything new, images are scraped off the internet and trained the ai models, this is a fact accepted by stable diffusion and all others so do not take it as rumor and a surprise, meaning the art coming out resembles art and styles from artist and movies and so on because is not new or original, if the ai systems are not fed with info it will keep spiting out the same look and feels based on material scraped off the internet unethicaly bordering illegaly, that is why are all this lawsuits going on.
This lawsuit is showing that this assumption that AI art "scrapes" images is not true though. They do not scrape images or download them, and store, them, they simply look at images which people have made freely available online and it is not legal to open a freely available image, and then just look at it 🙏
*Old school artists just need to accept the fact that their skills are no longer exclusive. Now anyone can produce the same stunning images... so they're gonna just have to deal with it*
then they'll stop producing art. because no one wants to spend the whole day creating an image, only for an AI to generate the same one in 2 seconds. there's no point in creativity anymore.
"Insane" news you say?
Some actual insane news for all the Ai haters is the FACT that Shutterstock, a globally active stock photography copyright management company with 80,000 account holders, that manages their 300,000,000 images ( yes, I just said three hundred million images! ) recently admitted that they have been secretly selling access to these images to the Ai image creation development company - OpenAi since 2021.
They have been illegally selling OpenAi access to the images without the image copyright holders permission or knowledge and passed none of the profits that they made, on to those account holders.
OpenAi used these stolen images to train Dalle 3, their latest Ai image generator.
Dalle 3 is now available to use to create Ai generated stock photography images on Shutterstocks website.
Why are none of the Ai hating commentators talking about this biblical scale theft?
Shutterstock announced the OpenAI deal months ago, back in July. It is legally within the TOS.
"Artist" sue other "artist" for steal each other "art".
Mean while Midjourney uses art and give it to the people so everyone can enjoy creating their own piece of art.
I really do enjoy the Ai Art community more and more.
Unless Zazzle bought the font, the did steal it.
Just training something on your style, is not stealing. All artists use inspiration from other artists for hundreds of years.
Companies like Zazzle stole the copyright because they didn't make a license agreement with the artist to be used on a mulit user, commercial site. The font is sold to individual users, not to corporations to abscond with and make millions off someone else's artwork!
I feel sorry for real artist with all these ai apps taking their jobs or revenue where people just type in prompts then add it to print on demand flooding the market with things that were created in under 10 minutes by a machine where artist would spend time on something :( for every 10 videos you mention using an AI art app, to be nice to artists you should do videos on how to find and hire them.
What do you mean? These tools still require people to operate them. Don't be misled by anti-technology fundamentlists.
MidJourney should win, people need to adapt to the times. Technology is advancing fast and people arnt ready for it.
There is also the fact that the claims against them, just also seem to be unfounded currently.
@@WholesaleTed Yeaa, people don't have much of a leg to stand on with AI technology, don't stable diffusion look at images and learn from them? It doesn't really steal the art or store it right?
Based on what they've presented in court, no. They use training data sets from LAISON, which is essentially just a text file/spreadsheet of billions of URLs. These URLs link to images which have been uploaded for free online. The AI then opens up these URLs, looks at the images - and that's it.
the whole knee jerk reaction that artist have had is stupid and i knew that lawsuit wasnt going anywhere for the exact reasons stated
I think it's understandable to assume that they are downloading the pictures initially, but the information was also freely available that they weren't actually doing that...
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That judge is a bastard. Going to trial means a long drawn out legal battle which will no doubt cost the the creator of the font, Nicky, tons of money to keep going.