Petralona Man Challenges Out Of Africa Theory?
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- Back in 1959 a skull was discovered in a cave in Petralona Greece, the skull has been dubbed Petralona Man or Archanthropus Petralona and has been scientifically dated to be between 240,000 and 160,000 years old.
According to Dr. Poulianos the Petralona skull is around 700,000 years old and that makes this skull the oldest human Europeoid unearthed in Europe.
According to his research the skull did not originate in Africa but evolved independently in Europe.
Greek palaolithic palaeoanthropology remains largely unexplored and should be researched more as more excavations are needed in this area in hopes to uncover more fossils to clarify the questions we still have up until this day.
At this point in time, no early modern human specimen are known in this area, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t there, it means that because there hasn’t been much focus in the are they are most likely not yet found.
The petralona skull shows the importance of this area when it comes to a deeper understanding greek and european prehistory.
But it is important to look at the facts, not at what we would like to believe.
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In our own lifetimes the accepted theory was the humans arrived in the Americas about 3,000 B.C. or so via the land bridge. Only a few cling to this theory now. This should teach us that we really know very little about the past and that we should not be too dogmatic about any point of view. The nice thing about Africa is that in many places there are not a lot of trees and the strata containing older human remains are at the surface. If humans originated in Iowa, we would never know that due to the deep topsoil there. In my first geology course at university in 1961 I was ridiculed mercilessly by an arrogant grad assistant because I dared to suggest that South American and Africa looked like they were joined in the past. Two years later, the same school hosted an international conference on continental drift. Shows how trends in science can shift rapidly.
Did you notice that the east coast of USA fits into North West Africa too.
A couple of decades ago north American anthropologist were lock into the Clovis only mindset. Today they believe much differently
. Clovis was the most recent wave of several Bering Strait migrations.
You are absolutely right. They think we all come from afrixa because in their salty Ethiopia desert caves they found the most modern human remains. Perfect conservation makes it possible... how convenient.
@TiMMY 2PHONE5 nearly all people have Neanderthal dna except for those from sub Saharan Africa.
Can I please talk to you about this? Super curious
Early human history has become very much driven by politics. Eurocentrics argue for early humans evolving in Europe or Eurasia while the majority of archeologists still favour African origins. Both groups appear to be trapped within their ideologies when the physical evidence to support either viewpoint remains very thin.
In my part of the world, New Zealand, I note that archeologists still support a southeast migration from Taiwan of those who would become Polynesians through Melanesia and Micronesia while genetics and Polynesian lore both favour an initial northeast migration to the pacific coast of Canada, which is also supported by air and sea currents: Taiwan-Queen-Charlotte-Islands-Hawaii.
From that local information I can see how difficult it is for archeologists to step outside the existing narrative, and this is confirmed by the scepticism of Poulianos’ speculations. Even as more enlightening information is uncovered narratives resist alteration. Another example is the early migration to, and settlement, of the Americas. The Aleutian landbridge hypothesis as the original settlement is the stubborn narrative that resists amendment. Evidence of human settlement has been found at the Delaware River that predates the landbridge scenario, which has a start point fixed by an impenetrable mass of ice limiting early Sino-American migration to the extreme northwest of the northern continent. The Delaware evidence suggests a migration of people from Southern Europe (Spain) via a northern route, much earlier and quite separate from later Viking travels.
This early east coast American settlement by Europeans is resisted as is the hypothesis of early human development in Europe, and possibly for the same reason, a general anti-European sentiment in academia by a socialist elite pushing the “white man bad” point of view. Even should you stubbornly resist varying from the currently safe academic position you nevertheless need to face the reality that the early “anatomically modern” humans who migrated from Africa between 100 and 50 thousand years ago are not a genetic match for present day sub-Saharan African people, and that although they, the migrating people, “homo sapiens”, may have been anatomically modern, humanity did not begin to advance to become actual modern humans until their hybridisation with Neanderthal and later, to some extent, with the Denisovans. Few are willing to admit that the sub-Saharan generally lack what it was that was required to become actual modern humans, and that they also carry contain genetic material, as yet identified, from other human sub-species. I suggest that the reason for such intransigence is “white man’s guilt”.
No amount of funny expressions and blank stares in lieu of evidence is going to persuade me of anything. Your research and presentation are thin, but you look great though: you remind me of a young Cybill Shepherd.
What?
Very well rounded and sensible reply.. well done, you have a good knowledge base, mainstream archaeology has been hindered by all sorts of corruption and funding initiatives to be half pie accurate at best.
Don’t you love that reply.. What 😆
Holy uneducated. Lmaooooooo
I have artefacts from northern England that are astonishing and will make archaeology of certain time periods obsolete, and it's not a conspiracy, but I can't find one person or museum to even bother with what I have. I have art, language, some show clothing styles, I have a portrait in a metal alloy (maybe meteor) that if found in Egypt would be world news, and even have what looks to be glyphs like both the Maya/America's and Egypt, so imagine the silence when I contacted the British museum to tell them I had found a sculpture of a Tsunami that is a metal/iron alloy, that has to be at least 8000 years old, and yes, total silence???? I have items that are totally amazing and will 100% change British and probably world archeology, and if in the hands of a loud extrovert would be attracting a lot of attention. So I think more and more that archeologists are controlled and manipulated to what they can study, but more, what they can show. If you were an archeologist and I emailed to tell you I believe I have the oldest navigating instrument, would you email back, we'll not one has, and I honestly do have what is undoubtedly a navigation device, and it's genius is it's simplicity, but it's simplicity is also technical because modern man, I don't think, has the brains to think of it.
I have no idea how old the skull is but an article in brittanica puts it at 350.000 years old. Also no idea whether the claims of this researcher are true but tbh your counter arguments don't go deeper than saying 'it is not true' and having 'speculative' glances.
Just imagine what could be discovered if people put the time and effort into research rather than trying to massage the evidence into something that conforms to their pre-conceived notions or ideologies. Thanks and keep up the greatness.
Agree...
Crazy Eddy should always be tolerated, and even celebrated...but not too much. But never suppressed or dismissed too much either. Ya never know when some crazy idea, like Continental Drift, might end up being, you know, more or less proven by evidence. :) PS. But that doesn't mean one should go fall in to some crevasse in Greenland. Even truth has limits on its individual value. But that's a call each individual has to make..... It's critical to be open minded, but then, not so open minded that our brains fall out.
One thing for sure m8, if they did that then there would be no more church building. 🙂
Unfortunately there is bias and conformation bias' in all areas of science.
Clovis people being the first in North America is an example and it was with people of less then 20 thousand years ago, so you can imagine how it is with peoples of much later.
Funny thing is...the same applies to the Out of Africa theory proponents. Anything that challenges their obsession with this theory they attack and massage it into their preconceived notion that ONLY their theory can be correct. More open- mindedness is required instead of defensiveness against new or older finds that challenge or disprove this theory.
All I know is it is good to have an open mind on these subjects, and every young researcher should read material from the past, so they know how dogma and having a nice tidy lineal story of human evolution was more important than facts for a very very long time. I mean the amount of "experts" who just point blank refused to acknowledge even the theory there were multiple hominoids living in different areas simultaneously, despite the evidence, was frustrating.
Africa is high and dry leaving fossils, many Eurasian sites with wet climates have acidic soils meaning most bones are mush after a few centuries and even the ones which by chance survived are hard to spot in foliage.
Cap
They found some bones in greece too
Yes. Original man is of Europe and Asia. The nature of human evolution began there, where it's fertile. Surely as the weather changed over millions of years some of the human seed migrated further south. Makes sense. Also to pretend that it's not makes more sense. Racial unity as human origin vs the athletic final product believing somehow it could produce humanity.. that "black man forst man" thing was a scam until science came into the picture.
Don't forget that Antarctica may yet have something to be said, about the origins of humanity.
Ice and glaciation might have eroded it all away?
@@mtscott Or preserved it!
@@timt9322 All outcomes possible! 😀
There's a fine line between something thats believable and something thats true quackery. But how often has the quackery proven to be true over time... right? Keeping an open mind seems to be one of the most difficult hurdles to face. Keep up the good fight. Good reporting, Kayleigh.
There's so much we don't know about what really happened and there are specific peoples that have unique genomes that don't fit the out of Africa agenda.
"Out Of Africa agenda is my second favorite word" 👴🏻
It's bizzare that you're using this particular article as the representative for this fossil challenging the out of Africa theory. There have been a number of inconsistencies with the ooa and the eurasian fossil record for some time now such as with the case of the Apidima 2 skull. The Keystone of ooa is the jebel irhoud skull, and that is even less anatomically modern than petralona 1. There is a legitimate case here, don't dismiss it so easily. Drawing the line between heidelbergensis / rhodesiensis and sapien is literally what the entire debate between out of eurasia and our of Africa. You should consider reading "The reversal of human phylogeny: Homo left Africa as erectus, came back as sapiens sapiens".
The Cro-Magnon cave fossils completely destroy the theory.
thank you for writing this, so i dont need to
Well yh considering out of Africa " Lucy" was not a human...
The things she does what she pauses skeptically as the camera zooms in her face is so annoying. Totally overused and not very subtle.
@spliffertonsheldrake6007 yep. I don't listen to a-holes, if they believed their argument they wouldn't feel the need to be a-holes about it.
Keep calling those out, those who needs to be called out Kayleigh!
As Carl Sagan put it “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”....
I'm glad that I love history and geography as much now, as I did in school some years....a few years....a couple of blue moons ago!
I very much enjoy your videos Kayleigh, keep 'em coming! 👍🏻👌🏻👏🏻🏆🥇
Seeing this skull in person was an unforgettable experience
Darn!! Missed the live stream by only a few minutes!! starting from the beginning!! Thank you for sharing!! 😀
The Out of Africa Theory assumes that more exotic DNA is older. But the exotic DNA can also be explained by the remoteness of those areas and lack of well traveled trade routes that would cause more genetic mixing.
the word youre looking for is specialization, it words the same with hybrid plants
Exactly
I wonder how many important discoveries sit under major modern cities.
These cities are in locations that are good places to live so they were likely places where people lived in prehistory. If people lived there in prehistory, likely they left stuff there including bodies.
As Winston Churchill once said, "Don't believe all the click-bait you read on the internet." Keep up the good work, Kayleigh!
Ahead of his time. 😏
I think you made a slight error. That saying was by Abraham Lincoln.
Or was it Confucius?
Good one!
@@morrisadams1471 Those who say don't know, those who know don't clickbait 😀
I am surprised they didn’t find find his jackboots as well.
The Out of Africa Theory was developed, more than likely, by organizations like the Smithsonian Institute and the Archeology Fraternity in general to give some support, Creedence, or being to the African continent and its peoples. It is only a theory and there are questions about the voracity of the topic.
Your crossroads theory makes a lot of sense Kayleigh.
“We are made of star-stuff.” ― Carl Sagan
Thank you for the presentation, Kayleigh. However, isn't jumping to Petralona Man somewhat of a Straw Man? The concept of "punctuated equilibrium" and recent peer-reviewed research on genetic mutations challenges Out of Africa Theory. For instance, "The Role of Geomagnetic Field Intensity in Late Quaternary Evolution of Humans and Large Mammals" - The 2019 paper challenges Out of Africa Theory since LQE encompasses a geographic phenomena and species not within certain geographic areas may have not have survived environmental change. In short, species out of Africa populate the globe because the same species in other geographic locations had higher difficulties with natural selection―eventually, the void is fulfilled by returning megafauna. In other words, the migration of megafauna doesn't mean Africa was the starting place, but may been a temporary escape from other less habitable geographic locations.
""I am a star traveling together with you," the initiate confesses in the Mithraic liturgy."
[Psyche and Symbol , Carl Jung, 1958, Part 2, Ch. 6-Two Chapters from: The Interpretation of Nature and the Psyche; Sec. III. Forerunners of the Idea of Synchronicity, p. 253]
I don't see why so many people are so excited to place the evolution of humans in this area or that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Knowledge is King.
Makes you think about what the earth looked like and what effect continental drift had. We don't know as much as we thought we did.
When something says "many scientists" without citing their names, then I know its a rubbish article..... I skip it.
Exactly
I love anthropology and archaeology, they're the most respected social pseudo-sciences I know. You can fit all the skeletons they base their theories on on the back of a flat bed truck with room to spare, and that's all they need to figure out all of human evolution. "Scientists" in general hate dropping old theories. Makes it seem like they still have a lot to learn...
Out of Africa Theory has been proved wrong before. Several times in fact, it's why the Theory had to be changed, and reworked several times. (One such change is we came from a single place in africa)
It has stopped being the OOA Theory is the 80s-90s. There's another theory that holds a lot more weight, and isn't Aryan-like in origin.
The multi-regional hypothesis. (Which actually explains the incredible diversity in races, and even between similar peoples today.)
OOA assumes an Adam, and Eve-like interpretation.
That's without even mentioning Graecopithecus.
Not that there isn't bad science and bad data interpretation, because there is. But there is also a tendency to want to ignore anything that goes against the current mainstream thought. I haven't looked into this skill to see if Dr Poulianos conclusions are sketchy or not. They may well be. But people always bristle at the thought of a challenge to the OOA theory. As if we know for 100% certainty that it is fact, and any challenge to it must be automatically dismissed out of hand. To think that the OOA theory, or any other theory, is 100% factual and can't be challenged is not scientific at all.
"I am like this, I don't know why". We love that you're like this! It makes for educational and entertaining videos.
Hominids originated in Africa and spread throughout the old world. While its possible that homo sapiens originated outside of Africa (Spain or the Levant) the current evidence still makes Africa the most likely origin place.
It's something about that out of Africa theory that really grinds people's gears...I wonder what it is😂
its ridiculous to think that all people came from one group of people and changed so much as time went by yet the first humans hardly changed at all ? And White skin , Asian looks etc only happened because people left Africa.
So many Tribes in Africa have their own unique origin stories that are wildly different to each other.
Its all guess work no matter what ' evidence ' they have found.
The bones and veins and organs in your very own body did not grow all the same and then change into other organs as time went on. They grew as they do, just like the living creature we call Earth also does / did.
And it is a Theory not a fact that Humans came from one place , So people are free to argue it and feel whatever they want to feel about it.
If people want to feel that their ancestors were some kind of shit flinging monkey.. fine.. let them.
I personally don't agree that humans ' evolved ' from some kind of ape , for me I see the human ancestor to something akin to Meerkats or Rabbits. Humans love to dig holes and climb up things to get a better look .
What monkey / Ape do you know that loves to dig tunnels and create whole underground living areas ?
You ever heard of Derinkuyu ?
And why is there no record of people coming to Australia from Africa yet they have stories from 60 thousand years ago about all matter of things. You want to read some real interesting stuff from history.. read about ' The dream time '
@@grigorione7824 You just gave me the biggest laugh of the day, Grigori. Thanks for that.
@@RebelWithoutABoss I hope you laughed at my perspective as much as I laughed at that pic you have next to your YT name.
@@RebelWithoutABoss Ohhh.. I get it now.. You think people don't agree with that THEORY because African people are Black skinned! OHHHHHHH... You are a racist piece of shit! I understand now.
@@grigorione7824 I know right. Should've been a black fist. 🤣
This is like trying to piece together a huge jigsaw puzzle when you only have a very few pieces. As you all know only a tiny fraction of bones turn into fossils. And even then it's rare to have the whole skeleton.
Ninety nine percent of the puzzle will never be found
Exactly! And many,many, many other yet unearthed skeletons or parts of them could be lying underneath us in many places around the globe which could disprove the Out Of Africa theory of Homo Sapiens and support global multiregionalism as the new paradigm.
She found enough to prove her preconceived idea, What more is needed these days.
O- blood is known as universal donor, and is found in European white genetics. Now, if a supposed branch of humanity can give blood to everyone, how does a branch of humanity become compatible with all. Seems to me to be the trunk of the tree. We've constantly been lied to and it is currently going on.
Because the circumstances that produce fossils most often involve violent cataclysmic events
Thank you for keeping an open mind on this subject. It seems to me that a lot more searching and digging, especially in Eastern Europe and Asia, would be appropriate.
An open mind? She did not keep an open mind at all. All she did was read one article about the skull and roll her eyes while she read the article about the skull, to indicate that she disagreed with it and she wants you to disagree with it to, even though she has no scientific research to prove or disprove this one article she's rolling her eyes at.
Instead of her calling this claim about the skull false, as she could not do so as there is no scientific research to prove or disprove it, she rolled her eyes at it for no reason other than she disagrees with it and she wants you to disagree with it to. That's not open minded, that's extremely closed minded.
She is extremely an biased, closed minded person who no one should listen to at all, as she has no scientific fact to support her eye rolling.
@@liteney I couldn't agree more, just as any person with common sense, although i won't be tricked to believe she doesn't know the truth.
@@liteney The article did have some very interesting claims. Given the information presented, the claim, the claimant, etc., and the apparent interest of the topic on this channel, the way it was presented was quite fair. A little colorful to match the colorful theory, of the person who found and first dated the subject. lol. She did read further on the subject. That shows an open mindedness.
@@Jolene8 No, she labeled this as from the dark web and rolled her eyes at it. That is her attempting to belittle it. That is not open minded at all.
@@liteney She did not label the article from the dark web. She did roll her eyes, however. Lol... She did say the article made bold claims, which it certainly does, especially given that those claims, at the time they were made, were not reviewed by any of his peers in the scientific community. Maybe you don't care for her presentation style, which is possible, but don't make things up.
I see a lot of people on youtube who don't seem to understand the word 'theory'. As the info about Petralona man is a theory, the out of Africa theory is just that as well. Because the true fact is, we just don't know. Current evidence points to out of Africa but like my dad always said; because that's where the landing site was!
Ms Kayleigh, If you want to know more about that subject you should contact Dr. Aris Poulianos' son, Dr. Nickos Poulianos, who himself is an anthropologist and has a PhD in Anthropological Sciences concerning the Petralona Man. As far as I am aware, he is a member of the European Anthropological Association, as well as the American Association of Physical Anthropology.
*@truthspokeneternally7132* I am pretty sure she doesn't want to know. Or at least she won't admit she knows.
Probably!
what are you really trying to say?@@PlanetIscandar
@@bigsmiler5101 I like your videos and one of the reasons is they are honest.
I noticed it's only a certain demographic that struggles with the OOA science 😂
While I don’t know anything about this guy I have seen anthropologists claim that the out of Africa theory isn’t correct or at least is questionable.I mean, while it appears you agree with it that doesn’t change the fact that you are protecting a theory. So while you think it’s very important to state facts, the Out of Africa theory isn’t one of them.
Thanks for being honest by mentioning paleothic paleoanthropology remains largely unexplored.
I look forward to viewing your video on Homo heidelbergensis.
And don't forget to relish the Dutch "gjh" sound in "heidelberg(jh)ensis". Quite takes me back to working near Groningen.
The problem isn't the theories so much as the politics. If you even questioned the Out of Africa theory a few years ago you weren't just ridiculed, you'd be called racist, and be treated like a Holocaust denier. Even though the backlash isn't what it once was, alternate theories to OOA don't reach a wide audience in academia, and the media.
A lot of it comes from the same institutions that teach history by lying through omission. You'll hear all about the West African slave trade, but never the East African slave trade in a western college course, nor about the millions of Buddhists, and Hindus Muslims killed when they ruled Afghanistan, and India under Mughal rule from 1526-1761 A.D.
I believe that anything is possible. Hard to judge something from that long ago. I think in the end we'll find that humans existed for much longer than we theorize.
Until recently it was refuted that neandertals interbred with homosapiens. I find it quite possible that we are as much european as african for a longer period.
*@marzarnold9039* That's the only thing for sure. Correct comment.
Best video since the Amazing Lee Berger Interview! Your Channel is slowly becoming one of UA-cam best in terms of Vulgarisation of History :) Thank you Kayleigh
@peterdore2572, what are you really trying to say?
NICE i made it for the live premiere this time.
Hope you enjoyed it!
It's been a long time. Videos are still good!
Hey John! Where you been? Good to see you in the comments.
Yo those dates really had me dying, like man's was just throwing stuff out there to see what sticks😂
That music you use, WOW!
a day may come when i see my country mentioned on the web for something that is not horrible or embarrasing, but it is not this day..
The challenge to the out of Africa theory seems to be who came out of Africa when. Numerous finds you have covered show early human species variants that had come out of Africa much earlier.
louder please
It's great that you are sifting through this dubious science and making videos where you call out the problems. It shouldn't be necessary. That's what peer review is supposed to do. But of course most of this dubious science doesn't go through peer review. And then the authors take advantage of the internet to spread their unchallenged ideas to a wide audience. This is how ignorance spreads.
Thanks Kayleigh
I believe that the author of that article has been reading too many pseudoscience articles from politically biased magazines. The same type of magazines my parent's friends subscribed to that helped me to flunk 9th grade Civics in 1964. I was the only one to do a current events report on upsetting events in South Vietnam that the teacher didn't think was important. My information was biased and inaccurate to the extreme But the subject was not unimportant.
Courtesy of Chat Gpt:
Petralona Man is the name given to a set of ancient human fossils discovered in the Petralona cave, located in the Chalkidiki peninsula of northern Greece. The fossils were discovered in 1960 by a local shepherd, and they were extensively studied and analyzed over the following decades.
The Petralona Man fossils consist of a partial skull, jawbone, and some other cranial fragments, which were found in a layer of sediment that is estimated to be between 300,000 and 700,000 years old. The skull has a distinct brow ridge and a low, sloping forehead, which are characteristic features of the Homo heidelbergensis species, an extinct human ancestor that lived in Africa and Europe during the Middle Pleistocene epoch (780,000 to 125,000 years ago).
The Petralona Man fossils have been the subject of considerable scientific interest and debate over the years. Some researchers have argued that the fossils represent a distinct subspecies of Homo heidelbergensis, while others have suggested that they may be related to the Neanderthals, another extinct human species that lived in Europe and parts of Asia during the Late Pleistocene epoch (about 400,000 to 40,000 years ago).
Despite the uncertainties surrounding their classification, the Petralona Man fossils are important because they provide valuable insights into the evolution of early humans in Europe. They suggest that the continent was inhabited by a diverse range of human ancestors during the Middle Pleistocene, and that these populations may have interbred and exchanged genes over time.
The Petralona Cave itself is also a significant archaeological site, as it contains evidence of human occupation stretching back to the Upper Paleolithic period (about 40,000 to 10,000 years ago). The cave has yielded artifacts such as stone tools, animal bones, and pottery, as well as evidence of early human burial practices.
In recent years, the Petralona Cave and the surrounding area have become popular tourist destinations, with visitors coming to explore the cave and learn about its rich archaeological history.
@qazqazqaazq Europe went through many different climates, and was often a tropical climate, so it's not stupid to consider that the climate was ripe for this species to survive then
I've nothing against multiple places on the planet where evolution occurs, but with a spotty fossil record that has massive gaps yet to be filled in, I don't think that speculative claims do any of the sciences much good compared to slow and steady peer review plus the caveat of "possibility" rather than "certainty". What kind of radioisotope dating was this fellow using anyway? There's a huge difference between 160,000 to 240,000 years and 700,000 years. And who's to say the skull didn't belong to some hominin afflicted with wanderlust who walked all the way from East Africa to Greece whereupon he collapsed and died from sheer exhaustion if not from bad clams? Just because his skull ended up in Greece doesn't mean he's Greek by birth. Another scenario: Lonesome Dove syndrome. The fellow died in Africa and his best friend carried his skull all the way to Greece from Africa because he'd promised him he would. (Yes, I know it's unlikely, but so is assuming the skull is Greek. Not to mention three times as old without some kind of chemical jusrification.) Who published this article -- the National Enquirer? Or Privé?
So where is the skull now and why hasn't it been properly tested and dated if it exists at all.
The number of people who reject and ignore scientific consensus about various topics because of racism, religion, ideology, and/or alienation is disappointing. This especially true when people like this further propagate misinformation to ignorant people who don't know any better.
Kayleigh does not understand much about Greek patriotism. Luckely she did not go as far as disputing the "fact" that this Petralona man spoke an early form of Greek language.
Aw, I missed the livestream. I'll go watch the video. 🙂
Intriguing. With interglacial periods sea levels are much lower. (How much?) The consistency would be as is brine. Then floating and navigating boats, distances btwn land mass and the many islands now above sea level would be greatly enhanced. Those many Greek islands would be joined dry land. ‘Ppls‘ surely traversed everywhere. That legacy now submerged.
Thanks for the vid, don't ever change!
Yea exactly don’t ever change..no matter what evidence you find.
You know straight away that those clickbait stories have no substance.
Love the way you do your camera work when you're trying to make a point or think something is idiotic.
Yes, it's also a good pre-hypnotic trick to convince naive people to believe whatever nonsense or baseless "criticism".
I often pause her videos to look up another source for what she's talking about. I get SO MANY hilarious images of her that I've started making a screen capture collection of Kayleigh. She does have some great presentation skills, although I've often urged her to show More Illustrations of what she's talking about. (Even though she's pretty, we don't need to see her all the time.)
O.o did I just find someone who actually gets off the couch and does the leg work before she opens her mouth? I'm in.
You sure did haha, check out the rest of my channel if you enjoyed this one 🤗
I love it when you show that speculative look when reciting weird claims made by sketchy "scientists". Keep up the good work.
I wanted to say exactly this.
She should start a second channel. There's a gifted comedienne in there.
Agreed that is exactly what I was thinking. Isn't K a character. I get a big grin everytime she doesn't agree. Cocks her head down and sideways then looks up with a puzzled expression..works every time.
sketchy "scientists", nah, Entertainment Tonight Host maybe.
He is definitely a scientist, so don't put that in quotation marks. Did you even search his name ? ARIS POULIANOS is a 98 year old greek anthropologist with university degrees from New York and Moscow who spent 40 years studying the PETRALONA cave. So, this is insulting to him and his family. EDUCATE YOURSELF first, then write such comments. And this woman doing this video and misrepresenting him as "sketchy" should educate herself as well. A quick search on the internet could have informed you both that he is a TRUE scientist with all the credentials. And as a scientist he did his excavations, found the evidence and came up with his theory as the Leakeys did with the OoA theory. If his findings don't agree with your preconceived notions because he challenged the official narrative, ( as did many other scientists in the past and interestingly some of them were correct as it turned out ! Remember Galileo ? )try to find evidence to disprove his claims but INSULTING him by calling him a sketchy "scientist" is NOT the way to go.
If skulls like this and the claims bother you, give reading some of Cremos work . Forbidden Archeology by Cremo and Thompson is an eye opener.
I had a DNA test and when it came back I had zero % African heritage , yet I'm expected to believe we all came from Africa , I just want someone to explain how is this possible ?
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I Agree
It's not, but most of us have that 0% DNA from there and they still push the everyone came out of Africa. There has to be multiple evolutions that happen in other places and not just in one place and they think.
Let’s represent dna distribution as jars of marbles (of course this is grotesquely simplified). A jar of orange marbles, one violet, one green, and one that has some blue, red, yellow, as well as orange, violet and green. If you were to guess which was the seminal jar, which would you choose? This is my attempt to explain “genetic diversity.” The jar with the most diverse “colors/dna” is probably the oldest “population.” As you have doubtless read, the greatest human genetic diversity exists in the African continent.
This does not negate, however, that the Orange, Violet and Green populations form distinct and identifiable groups (even within themselves). In fact, dna can determine not only regions your dna might be from, but who you may be closely related to. In your case, that would be no place or population in Africa, at least in the last 500 years!
@@conniepayne4425 did you know entire north part of africe was habitated by white men
In statistics the astronomical odds of genetic mutation creating modern human dna happening once would only be surpassed by it happening twice one female and one male once you get passed that threshold the odds exponentially decline and the odds of it only happening in an isolated geographical area makes it even more astronomically absurd.
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One thing is certain about the history of the human race: we don;t know most of it.
Thank you for sharing this
Amen fair lady !!! I stand with you on this one !!! & by the way you look fabulous in earth tones !!!
Whether you are right or wrong, drop the snarky attitude, it's off putting and makes me not care what you have to say, it just makes me want to click off the video.
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Thank you for covering both Graham Hancock and this Greek skull. Certain nationalist groups have promoted this skull as "examples." Both deserve the spotlight on being debunked and the logic/reasons behind it. Please, do more debunking videos like this! Keep up the good work
The fact that you attach Nationalism to a skull is hilarious. - YOU are the racially obsessed bigots, you realize that right? The others just have a learned aversion to trusting anything and everything mainstream.
Wow ! So it is "nationalist" when it is about Greece but not nationalistic when it is about Tanzania ! Double standards big time !
@@kostapapa1989 its the we were kangz revisionism. Anything white is painted as nationalist or any pride in our culture is racism brought to you by the laughable ADL and the zionist powers that be to paint a narrative of white man bad but pride in any other culture is good. Its all a narrative and bullshit propaganda just like the OOA theory.
I think we are confused. It's the timelines and interbreeding that make it impossible to 100% determine anything. The "cradle" of humanity may be North Africa, as the Sahara desert is a recent formation.
Wow. Brilliant. Thanks for that.
You're absolutely right about more excavation needed re early human / hominids in Greece & Balkans. Hungarian plain also a key crossroads / gateway into Europe. 👍
Let's see... we have a single skull and one bone, a scientist trained in the USSR who talks about being backed up by other scientists but gives no details, and an article that makes specific statements about (among other things) "Europeoid" features as opposed to Neanderthal features even though Neanderthals lived in...well, Europe... I'm not holding my breath on this one. Yes, it's possible that not all humans came out of Africa, but so far the proof of opposing theories is thin (to be understated) and always seems to involve individuals who aren't letting the larger scientific community have what it needs to verify their claims.
I still hold to the major species of Homo as African BUT what I do think is between the Indian subcontinent and the Mediterranean there was a period of intermingling of archaic forms of Homo which produced subspecies and possibly even species which died off or were diluted into other groups . The specimens from this aforementioned area are very sparse and or in bad shape. It does have some to do with climatic conditions of the area but it also seems there really hasn't been a lot of substantial digs done. This particular specimen from Greece sounds to me like a possible comingling of a type of Erectus and Hiedelbergensis and I suspect as small possibly as maybe one perhaps two family groups at most that weren't present for very long
You love a good article - I love a good video of yours :)
3:30 - "That's a bold claim" - you're very tactful v;)
The out of Africa claim makes sense if you consider that when Africa was part of pangea. Before the super continent split apart. Multiple human ancestors lived across this super continent. When the continent split apart various human ancestors were cut off to evolve separately on their perspective continents. This allows for the different traits of people all over the world. I believe humans are way older than most people think. Just a hypothesis.
Great video has always I agree with you a 💯 percent 😊
I wish we were this specific about the facts around The pandemic
I really appreciate your channel! I use it to help debunk these click bait BS articales!
There are so many things scientist are yet to discover, that I try to keep an open mind to different possibilities. Human evolution is a fascinating subject despite it's true origins. I like to believe some relic hominids still exist.
I am afraid I missed the live feed of this,but you have done a great video again.Sounds like this is another Piltdown Man.The only Piltdown Man any good is the one on Mike Oldfield's "Tubular Bells"!
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Many independent researchers need to examine the evidence and get substantially more evidence to make this claim even plausible. If this is a legitimate scientist, he should have know better than to make such claims without a huge amount of collaboration.
The fact that they keep focusing on “European” traits, even in a species which they are claiming isn’t fully human is telling. While not every person who questions the out of Africa theory is a raving racist who wants to see Europeans as special and put as much distance between their prehistory and everyone else’s as possible… there is a high correlation between those 2 groups. I don’t know if the article’s author would fit in the “gross-not Africa!” camp but he is certainly creating the content specifically for them.
And I don’t call people racist lightly. Many people would consider me racist since I don’t support race-baiting Marxist extremism groups.
Bold of people to assume Africa was the ONLY origin of humans. Does that make me some scary "racist" for questioning the establishment archeology? No, it doesn't. I also don't necessarily think the paper she's talking about is all that sound, either. We already have plenty of instances of the so call establishment being wrong, i.e., clovis first theory now being wrong, DNA evidence from South America showing that the Americas were settle from the south, as well as the north, among other things.
"I KNEW MY ANCESTORS WERE SENT FROM HEAVEN!🙏🏻 Not... Africa🤢"
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@Uncle Charlie🔧 ?? 90% of the time its WS pushing these ideas. Just not the religious fundamentalist ones.
Just bc *some* WS are religious fundamentalists, that doesnt mean all are nor are the terms interchangeable. It's a wild conflation that shouldn't be made. That's how articles like the one in this video come to be😂
Racist non-religious people exist, a lot of them.
Respectfully, you need to stop inferring other people's motives according to your own biases.
Certainly using the term "European traits" is subjective but the assumption of racism without the other party stating it is every bit as bad.
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My theory is that a mammoth stepped on Petralona man turning him into Petroleum!
Fun fact: Petralona would translate to "Stone threshing floors"
Here's my biggest hiccup with out of Africa.O- blood can give to anyone. This blood is European genetics. Now, if that blood is universal to everyone, how can a supposed branch of humanity work for all branches? The proof is right there.
This field relies heavily on the scientific method of guesswork . But, without those efforts our knowledge of ancient man would be even more limited.
I'm reminded of the father from "My Greek Wedding" explaining that everything from Democracy to the telephone was a Greek invention.
Didnt Alexander the Great rely on Democracy when he conquered the world?
@@chalinofalcone871 Ya, but doing one thing does not allow you subsequent future claims of greatness. Or, your making me do this, Greeks can be grandiose storytellers . ( I can hear the groans ).
But everything is a Greek invention!! only that they borrowed them from the Persians!
@@feral7523 And Hittites...
""... its striking resemblance to the 'Theogony' of the Greek poet Hesiod. There the Earth (Gaia) gives birth to Heaven (Uranos); then Uranos and Gaia together become the parents of Kronos and the Titans. Uranos hates his children and seeks to prevent their birth, but Kronos, incited by Gaia, emasculates his father with a sickle, and out of the blood which flows comes forth the Erinyes (Furies), the Giants, and the Melian nymphs, while Aphrodite is born from the foam what's arises when the severed member falls into the sea. Kronos and his wife Rhea then beget the Olympian gods, foremost among whom is Zeus. Kronos swallows all his children except Zeus, who is saved by the substitution of a stone which Kronos swallows instead of him. Zeus, on growing to manhood, forces Kronos to spit out the gods whom he has swallowed, and the stone, which comes out first, is set up as a cult-object at Pytho (Delphi). The poem ends with the Battle of the Gods and Titans and the final victory of the Olympians.
Hesiod's sequence Uranus-Kronos-Zeus is matched in the hittite version by the sequence: Anu (Sumerian 'an'= heaven)- Kumarbi, father of the gods,- Weather-god, though Alalu in the Hittite version represent a still older generation unknown to Hesiod. The emasculation of the Sky-god occurs in both myths, though the motif of the swallowing and spitting out seems to have become attached to a different incident. In the broken part of the tablet there is some reference to Kumarbi eating and to a stone which may possibly correspond to the Pythian 'omphalos' of Hesiod's version; & it is probable that the Hittite myth ends with the victory of the Weather-god. These points of resemblance are enough to establish a strong probability that both versions derive ultimately from the same Hurrian myth.
The 'Song of Ullikummi'...""
[The Hittites, O. R. Gurney, 1966, Ch. VIII. LITERATURE; §. Myths, Legends, & Romance, p. 190-191]
@@GordKapasky I think you miss the point. It was not about the man, it was about the Institution of democracy as a form of civilian govt. It NEVER was meant to facilitate "life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness " it has always been a tool of imperial domination to DISENFRANCHISE the populous and consolidate power in an elite ruling class.
"The rich man, not to make any invidious comparisons, is always sold to the institution[s] that make[s] him rich."
[H.D. Thoreau, "Civil Disobedience"]
"Such a principality is obtained either by the favour of the people or by the favour of the nobles, because in all cities these two distinct parties are found. The people do not wish to be ruled or oppressed by the nobles, and the nobles wish to rule and oppress the people. From these two opposite desires there are three possible results, a principality, self government, or disorder."
[The Prince, Nicolo Machiavelli, Ch. 9, published 1515, Translated by W. K. Marriott]
I'd like to see more research between cave dwellers in northern Africa and southern Spain. I cannot believe that any human being would stand on a shore looking at the rock of Gibraltar and surroundings and not want to investigate.
The 2018 discoverey of the Misilya cave jaw seriously challenges the Out of Africa theory.
that "theory" was proven BS after ww2, dont need to bring 2000's into it
A SUGGESTION: IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO DO A VIDEO ABOUT THE MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF "OUT OF AFRICA" THEORIES, AND HOW EACH THEORY DEALS WITH THE INCREASING EVIDENCE THAT H. SAPIENS INTERBRED WITH NEANDERTALS, ETC.
Stop using all caps that's rude.
@@johnsieverssr8288 I don't consider it the least bit rude. However, I do consider it rude for you to try to tell me what to do. You're not the boss of me.
@@johnsieverssr8288 I'll stop using all caps the day that you stop telling me what to do. You're not the boss of me, Sievers.
Always a great learning experience watching your podcast!
There have been numerous discoveries that invalidate the out of Africa theory. Remains older than anything in Africa have been found in various places, and the next older find is in yet another place, so we really don't know where humans originated or even if we originated in one place only. Then there are the new hominids that have been found. According to an article I read, an anthropologist describes our history as not being the linear line of development we have been taught, but more of a Lord of the Rings scenario with multiple hominid species coexisting over long stretches of time.
No there haven't the genome testing and archeology overwhelmingly support it
@@Johnny_McClintock Wrong.
Thanks for explaining this, what a world where we need to correct falsified information. Well done, you do important work.
I agree!!!
The only falsified information, is the revealing irony in her expressions. At least she is honest as she calls the theory of Africa, just a theory. More precisely, it's an unproven theory and also a wrong one, as she also admitted indirectly.
@@PlanetIscandar I think he was agreeing with you and her.
@@scottswan7830 This is not important. Anyway, i hope you read my other 3-4 comments that i wrote in the last hour as answers to some other comments. I wish i had the time to put english subs to some videos where Professor Aris Poulianos is talking and explaining everything about the lies against him and his work.
Your incredulity as you explained the scientist findings in the begining of the video had me rolling on the floor 😂
Whenever I hear radical claims, I think, "what would Kaleigh think about this?" And thankfully, you often weigh in - WITH researched evidence pinned for us. You are the BEST.
Good post. Ty. You are very good at what you do.
Another good article. Thanks for your work.
Kayley, Your intelligence and intrigue is what makes you beautiful. Stay awesome..I love hearing these amazing stories
Peace from Australia 🇦🇺
Nice one Kayleigh, while it takes extra time, researching always pays off. While I agree with the click bait thing I have noticed the odd channel that uses click bait style headers to lead you into honest, truthful (as best we know it), information, not sure what I think about it. Anyway thanks again Kayleigh, Cheers.
I don't see why some Europeans want to push so hard against the OOA theory. Europeans are not 100% Homo Sapiens, Sub Saharan Africans have a greater claim to be that. We are more like 97% Homo Sapiens and 2-3% Neanderthal. We should be proud of this and 'go' with it. Just like wrought iron and steel, add 2-3% of something else to the base and you get a far superior material.