Human Species That Doesn’t Fit In The Timeline | Homo Naledi
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- In 2013 bones were discovered in a cave in South-Africa, these bones are from a species of hominid but they don’t seem to fit in the current timeline.
This species has archaic features like their hands which are perfect for climbing, but they have modern features as well like their feet which are perfect for terrestrial terrain.
There’s been debate on where to put this species in the human evolutionary timeline ever since it was discovered, do they really belong to the Genus of Homo and where would they fall into the current proposed timeline?
The first Skeletal remains of Naledi were discovered in the Dinaledi chamber which is a part of the larger Rising Star Cave system, approximately 50 kilometres north-west of Johannesburg in South-Africa.
This area is also known under the name of the Cradle of Humankind, this area covers a total of 47,000 hectares, which equates to approximately 180 square miles.
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Great video and explanation. As a note of humor, I really liked how the autocaption translated Homo Naledi into "homeowner lady."
I actually worked briefly with National Geographic covering this story with Lee Berger, the head of the Rising Star expedition. One of the things about the Rising Star caves is that they proved that a lot of early variants of what we would consider "humans" were more widespread across Africa than previously thought-it's just that their remains are so rarely preserved and hard-to-find that we only get a few glimpses into what they were doing. It was pretty exciting at the time when they announced that they had found a potentially new hominin. I also remember that they had to have a really tiny woman crawl through some of the cave spaces to retrieve specimens because they were so tight and the danger of cave-ins was ever-present.
cool
That's nuts - going 😳 in them thar caves , them woman have HUGE BALLZZ
Thanks for your remarks, you have a very remarkable insight into Homo Paleoanthropology whilst working for National Geographic.👌👍
These must’ve been some very brave women!
@@TraditionalAnglican Indeed they were
I enjoy your in-depth presentations. Very well researched.
We went to see the Homo Naledi exhibit in Dallas a few years ago, it was phenomenal! So glad to see a presentation on them here!
Awesome!!!
@@HistoryWithKayleigh Lee Berger says that there's 2 skulls not found in the cave that are very similar to homo naledi and maybe should be put into naledi group. i think they were found in the 1980's-1990's but put into homo erectus group.
Cannabalism would have left defleshing marks on the bones from stone tools.
@@cicad2007 Why? They would roast you on a fire and let your meat fall off the bone.
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"If you haven't seen my videos I'm going to go cry in a corner". Love the humor on this channel. I'd never heard of this species, super interesting.
Thanks!
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@@Immortalrounin in time her audience will broaden.
@@HistoryWithKayleigh I'm from the land of giants. That got me! Funny and interesting video!!😆
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Just found your channel. This feels like I am at work (I am a librarian) and you've just come up to me and starting telling me about the mysterious homonid as I am slowing putting books away. Its brilliant
Thank you so much!
I held the attention of a librarian, now that's a serious compliment!
These are very interesting. I'm glad I found your channel. Thank you
Super informative to the genealogical hobbyist (such as me) and the much more astute I'd imagine as well Kayleigh. Glad to have made your channels acquaintance.
Fascinating stuff. Thank you for all the work you put into this.
Hi Kayleigh, I'm also tall for a woman. I was born in America with English, German, and Dutch ancestors so I also am from the land of giants. I am 5'8" and my grandaughter is 5'11". You make such interesting videos, I love watching them.
Thank you!!
I just rewatched this because I thought you had mentioned that you thought they had fire. I just saw on the news that there is evidence that they did in fact have fire. I'm looking forward to you doing a video on that.
Lee Berger (he was going by Rod back then) was a senior in the anthropology department at Georgia Southern University when I was there as a freshman. There was a big dinner one night for all the anthro folks, just before graduation. I met him there. Cool to have known him back before he made his amazing discoveries. :)
Thank you Kayleigh for presenting this stuff in a way that makes it both entertaining and informative.
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Thanks for sharing this story. What a mosaic shaped by many environmental factors. Fascinating! Surely Naledi could learn to get around in the dark. Let's say they lived underground (cool, warm, dry, safe) and got to know their home cave system intimately. And they could have kept an ear on each other, navigating cooperatively. What to do with loved ones who were dead and beginning to smell: move them far back in the cave. I love the way science keeps forcing us to rethink our views, even cherished ones. We're all struggling toward the light.
The light already exist. Its jesus. In the bible it says many creatures walked earth. Many different kinds of humans.
The light already exist. Its jesus. In the bible it says many creatures walked earth. Many different kinds of humans.
@@justinlance4174 , greetings. I would like to know where in the Bible it states, or implies, that there were "many different kinds of humans". Peace.
It is fascinating to think of these little hominids surviving down in this cave system with children too. Can you imagine meeting the basic requirements such as food, water, light, sleep etc. incredible!😊 thank you
I think they went back in the deep caves to have funerial rights for their dead.
@@bullboo1 *Exactly. What makes this interesting? In Hebrew tradition, Adam and Eve were buried in a cave and there offspring for generations returned to the cave where Adam, Eve and their children were buried. The idea that ancient man lived in caves is incorrect. Ancient man typically used caves for burial and often times temporary shelter for hunting parties and travelers. Caves were associated with the Underworld.*
@vyhozshu *When you have something NON-STUPID to say? By all means. Until? Just shut up.*
Clearly and pleasently presented. Fascinating field of study.
Considering the probably tiny living population of homonids at any given time, it's amazing we have found as many fossil remaines as we have.
It's amazing that our species even survived
Thumbnail had me intrigued. And I stayed for the learning. Thanks Kayleigh.
You have explained this better than anyone else that I've seen. Thanks and I'll be looking for more of your presentations.
Thank you!
@@HistoryWithKayleigh amazing and gorgeous
Intelligent and Charming presentation my dear! You definitely kept me focused on your delivery. I didn't even have to replay it, got it the first time!
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I just found this channel and lord i love it. Great explanation and the speaker is well informed on the subject. Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
Great story Kayleigh. Watched Lee Berger tell the story about finding the cave some years ago. Your info just adds that much more. A truly interesting species that needs much research. Thanks as always. 😊
A perfect speaker, keeps me interesting in what you are conveying.
It would be interseting to see a video laying out all the now discovered homo subspecies. Denisovan, Florensiensis, Naledi, Neanderthal, Sapiens, Piltdown (lol), Cro magnon and the others . It would help to see where and when they lived in comparison to the general developement of us.
This was another great show , thanks Athena
Piltdown Man? Lol!
I saw a video about 3 years ago where every single hominid and homo species was laid out. It showed the times they lived and the overlap of the various branches. Until about 20K years ago modern humans shared the planet with at least 3 other species always one other homo and one hominid. The argument being made by this researcher is that with the very long history of sharing the earth meant that crypto hominids should not be dismissed. He was specifically talking about the possible continued existence of Gigantopithecus, and Hantu Jarang Gigi. The recent discovery of a new species of Orangutan in 2017 would suggest the possibility there are still possible hominid or homo species alive. I would lean more towards a primitive hominid or Orang like Gigantopithecus but again research and field expeditions need to be conducted by legitimate scientists not fringe cryptid hunters.
If you are Caucasian...congratulations you are Cro-Magnon.
@@raygunn737 Skin them all maybe then they will all be human? Albeit dead humans. RACIST.
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Great Bob, I'd love to see you deal with Piltdown lo, it might be easierto fund a mermaid. It destroyed at least two eminent careers lol.
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Thoroughly enjoyed the talk. Loved your enthusiasm!
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This just adds to the fact that there may have been even more off shoot species that developed in areas that were not good for fossil creation. Possibly many that we will never know about. possibly cross over or the missing link types..
Exactly. This is where the genetics guys are ahead of the archeologists. Maybe you have heard of “ghost species”. As they get better data on the human genome, and data from our extinct cousins, they “see” DNA sequences that came from somebody, but they can’t tell who (whom?). Until they find a tooth, get some DNA and then say “AHHA!” Now we got you. We will call you Denisovan after the cave. There are still 6 or 8 ghosts in our genome just waiting for artefacts to be discovered so we can pin a name on them and confirm that they are real. I think the next one may be remains found on the island of Luzon in the Philippines.
Missing link?
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Missing “cousins”. But cousins we interbred with. Cousins who’s DNA shaped who we are to some degree.
That's an interesting theory.
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More than a theory. There are a lot of problems with cellular biology. But one thing they can do well is identify gene sequences and point to where they came from. They can tell you from me in a court of law. Tell which one of us fathered a child for example. And they can say this bit here and this bit there are not normal. Then when they got Neanderthal DNA they could say these bits here, that most of us have, are Neanderthal. And denisovan. Those bits there came from him. On the island of Luzon were isolated tribes that had only bred among themselves for a long time. They carried some odd DNA sequences. Then in the 1980’s they find bones in a cave in a valley. They look “archaic” they date back 60-120,000 years old. They thought at first erectus. Then the DNA looked closer to Denisovan. About six months ago the Australians got enough DNA out of some teeth to definitively say it’s neither. So it’s now been nameed Homo luzonensis. I just read the news release 6 months later. And that DNA sequence among the villagers came from luzonensis.
So from the world genome project still ongoing. From all the people getting “their DNA done”. And other sources comes this flood of DNA. And computers do the sequencing. And out of 9 billion odd base pairs they keep finding a sequence here or there that is recognised as this homo group or that, and occasionally as some other homo group Maybe, we don’t know for sure, yet.
What DNA can’t tell you is phenotype. Cant tell us what Neanderthal or Denisovan looked like. Can only suggest the hair might be red. Or brown or blond. Because as complex as DNA sequencing is, DNA expression to create the actual person, the phenotype is hundreds of time more complex still.
So some of this is beyond well accepted theory. And some is as you say not so well accepted theory. That is theory enough that some may disagree but not have a better alternative to offer.
And as to “link”. That was a term applicable when a single unbroken line of Man stretched back in time. Now we see various species, migrating, intermingling, splitting off, migrating again, like a 2-3 million year Woodstock event without the music.
We are not a “pure” line. Erectus to heidelbergensis to both Neanderthal and sapiens with Neanderthal splitting to denosovian and Denisovan to luzonensis. That’s a simplified lineage by time. But in that line just looking at us, sapiens. There is DNA evidence we bred with Neanderthal, erectus, luzonensis and several more. And not homogeneously. People in Africa dont generally have Neanderthal DNA. They have bits most of us don’t have, some species after erectus that did not leave Africa. Nobody except select people in the Philippines have trace of luzonensis. But everybody has erectus. Some more, some less. So much so that it appears that “modern man” bred back to erectus about 60,000 years ago on some small islands off the Horn of Africa. A similar case exists in Malaysia and Australian native populations. And from all this came us. Anatomically modern man. Not a “pure species” but a Heinz 57. And we are still playing Woodstock to this day, now we have music.
Fox out.
Wow there are a ton of comments for the amount of subscribers keep it up this is going to be a big channel. Good to see all the people communicating… best wishes
Fire is not the only light source; there are also bioluminescent organisms that theoretically could have been used.
@Theseustoo Astyages Actually I was thinking of 'bioluminescent organisms' (eg. fungi), they're much easier to wrangle.
@@bob_._. or algae maybe some caves had water sources
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"Theoretically *"
Bro, fire
Uh oh. I suspect some surprises soon. ;)
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Someones always digging a new hole and finding new stuff. I love this subject.
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I appreciate and enjoy hearing alternative perspectives based on real observations of yours and others that open a broader discussion of our origins though not officially sanctioned. Keep up the good work!
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The same team discovered an advanced Australopithecus at a nearby cave a few years previous and these much later beings share several unique features with them. John Hawks recognized this. The bottom line is these do not appear to me to be on the same line as erectus but are pretty good analogues of early homo. They are much to late and much to primitive to be other than their own unique population. Feel free to disagree. I read and watched everything I could locate when they were first reported but nothing casting much if any new light has shown up in a few years. I believe they did conceal the bodies of their dead from predators. Elephants and chimps have tried to do the same thing though putting a few green leafy limbs on the bodies doesn't accomplish much. Elephants have done this for humans which suggests some elephants are more humane than many humans are.
Lee Burger and John Hawks are the two that know the most about this organism.
It's sad that with all the amazing diversity among other species and even other primates that we so completely pushed variations on our own species theme into the dust in our wake.
@Ragnar Odinsson Under the wrong circumstances DNA can be seriously degraded in weeks to months. My understanding is there is more or less absolutely not a chance that any DNA from these beings will ever be recovered. Would be happy to be wrong but the people that said that know more than me.
@Ragnar Odinsson The odds of you finding any DNA from the original organism approximates absolute zero. A host of other things would be there. I seem to recall they did look on the more recent organism.
Australopithecus and early Homo would look identical as Australopithecus is differentiated from Homo by Homo having advanced tool use. Naledi has a similar hand structure and is the only known member of Homo in the area of the Highveld tool industry.
My guess is Naledi branched of very early and got better at tool use independently as it is generically good for Homo. Maybe they did not have useable stone in the area, so uses wooden tools instead? Or maybe they reproduced in harems like primates with a similar diet. Then all the adult and maybe some juvenile members found were trying to cheat and got stabbed to death. I guess not have anything else to improve upon made Naledi very accurate and thus avoid damaging the bone. That would explain why they did not have their weapons on them.
The problem is scientists keep looking for that missing link, and they tend to like things neat and tidy. However evolution demands that all creatures must originate from somewhere, they don't magically appear as a unique population unto themselves. I would speculate that they did branch off and evolve along the same timeline but in a different matter than the rest of the homo genus. It's even possible they devolved from the homo genus to adapt to their environment.
Intensely interesting. Thanks Kayleigh, love your channel. Rock on!
Thanks for having the patience to go through all this with us.
These fossils were found by accident by non experts. I can’t but help thinking that there are vastly more fossil remains of Hominids to be discovered than have been thus far. There’s rich pickings to be had for anyone willing to literally drill down into locations most likely to yield fossils.
COULD BE A MILLION FOSSILS LIKE DINOSAURS
Another amazing discovery, and wonderful presentation Kayleigh.
Keep up the great work and looking forward to your interview.
Interview is up on the channel since last January, I've also got more videos on Homo naledi and the latest discovery as a conversation/interview with Dr Berger on the channel
I've heard about Homo Naledi before, but not how they didn't fit in the timeline. Thanks Kayleigh! :-)
I'm here thanks to Dr. Miano and your interview with him! 👋🏼🙂
Very Interesting. Saw one of the team, I think John Hawks, at Wayne State University in Detroit, Michigan. Just fascinating. I do have to say that as he was describing the cave system, I was getting "creeped" out. I was a breech baby and almost died before coming out, so when I have a nightmare, it is usually about being trapped in a cave. It seems to me that that the Naledi had a proto-religious understanding of death as a return to the womb. Just my opinion!
You were told you were breech, there is absolutely zero chance of your brain having any kind of recollection of that event and there is zero correlation between that and your nightmares. ZERO!
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I remember watching documentary about Rising Star cave excavation. It was very special excavation because it was such tight squeeze to get into cave areas that only tiny smol lady archeologists could really go in safely and work since most guy archaeologists with cave experience were just too fluffy.
I think the Rising Star cave system was found using new technique for identifying possible cave sites too? ... or maybe I am get my S. Africa archaeology news mixed up.
Oh. Also, on question about fire use in caves, I have idea that some ancestors might have memory like chimpanzee that can remember LOTS of detail in very quick flash. Please look up "Are you smarter than a chimpanzee" to see the really amazing videos of chimpanzees doing memory tests that are difficult and even impossible for most people to do.
Anyway, if some ancestors had this kind of memory, they would not need sustained fire in a cave, and could just strike a spark with flint for a quick flash that they see and remember very well, like the chimpanzees can do.
You are getting your S.African palaeoanthropology mixed up: You're thinking of the Malapa cave (Australopithecus sediba), Rising star is/was the main trainingsground for RSA cavers, (as the first hard parts were easily and soon reached) so a previously "well" known cave system. Both involve Lee Berger and the developments around Malapa are part of the discovery story of Homo naledi, so mixing them up is a mistake easily made.
@@ThW5 - Thank you for making that more clear. I think I think I was confusing those together, and also a docu I saw about archaeologist and his son that find old limestone mining sites in S. Africa have easy to identify clumps of trees (or something like that) that can be seen from Google Earth, and his young son find ancestor bone at first place they look, so, now they start finding lots of fossil-rich sites that seem to have higher probability of human ancestor using this method.
I think I have to go back and watch that again because that was not anything to do with cave. I like to watch lots of docus, and i sometimes get them all mixed up. :P
@@konstantinavalentina3850 Well Malapa is more of a hole in the ground, but some of the other lime stone sites were described as caves...
@@konstantinavalentina3850 Most cave systems are created in limestone as it dissolves over time in water with high alkalinity.
@@edsloan8535 - yes. Thank you. i understand that. There are, of course, other types of caves and cave systems, but, I know limestone is most common, and especially so for extensive cave systems.
There's dissolved salt domes that leave voids too, old sea caves, lava tubes, and even wind-carved formations, but, yes, limestone i think is most common, and probably a good marker for archaeologists to seek for sites, though, geology has other things on offer in different places.
In Siberia there's caves carved out of the permafrost in some places. It's more lasting than ice caves, but technically impermanent, and short lived on geological scales, but, permafrost caves can be very exciting due level of preservation of things like mammoth. It will be wonderful if we one day find Neanderthal in permafrost with skin, organs, hair and perhaps clothing, maybe even tattoos in good preservation. We could learn so much more than we get from bones, stone tools, microliths, and other bits. :)
Your indepth exploration of this subject is terrific
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Excellent information gathering, analysis and presentation. Very informative, interesting and enjoyable. Thank you.
As someone who received EMS rescue training including caves, could they have sought out the safety of the gave from predators or a natural phenomenon and became lost in the system, eventually dehydrating and dying?
Curious as to the local geography and topography of the area at the time they lived.
Just watched your most recent video with Lee Berger... there's so much more to this and I'm glad you were able to follow this up. Its amazing. Fascinating to imagine them... and humbling.
We need to know where they can be branched off from RNA genome mapping, and it would be interesting if an artistic rendition of what they may have looked like can be done. Thanks for making this video!
Agreed, would be interesting to see the sequenced genome of these bones. I watched a lecture saying there were 2 unknown archaic sequences in our geonome
I was just signing on to ask that as well.
DNA in Africa degrades much faster, which is why there is no DNA analysis done.. so no knowledge about the genome
Closed caption reads home owner lady when she says Homo Naledi. I think they where chased in there by us. smoke inhalation
@@HistoryWithKayleigh very much looking forward to your interview with berger!
Down the rabbit hole I go.
Awesome video, keep up the great work.
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Me too!
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I am fascinated by the fact that no animal bones found with the Naledi bone bed.
Most finds in caves have assonated with animal bones as well as hominoid bones.
There is something very different about this deposit as if it was a burial ritual.
Definitely seemed ritualistic
Came for the thumbnail, stayed for the interesting topic.
1 minute in it sounds like Lee Berger's Rising Star Cave discovery. A pretty good documentary about the process of finding & excavating the interesting species. Aloha
Is available here on u tube. Def worth watching
Very clear exposition; impressive!
Sounds to me like Naledi evolved early and found a niche that allowed them to go unchanged. Imagine an australopithecine that evolved a distance runner's gait and retained the ability to climb. Groups could establish a circular migration around a cave system like this, with the location of widely separated stands of food trees that fruit at different times of year.
Over generations these locations would become known to the adult members, and avoidance/confrontation of predators in open savannah between food sources more easily accomplished. I would think Naledi would include herbivores birthing grounds as food sources/migration points.
Returning to the central cave during lean times of year, they would expend as little calories as possible in a degree of safety. I doubt they had fire, and agree that depositing the bones of their dead was done on purpose.
They might have allowed carrion birds to de-flesh skeletons or even engaged in cannibalism, after that getting the bones as far away from a cave entrance would have caused predators to have less reason to come sniffing around, along with the beginnings of symbolic/religious thinking. They wouldn't have needed fire to see the way, just individuals along the route back making noise could have guided the children back. Some of those crawls inside the cave were very tight, and it would have taken a long time to reach them. A simple branch lit on fire wouldn't last long, and be cumbersome through those tight spaces.
I can't imagine dragging anything back on the return trip, either.
We have no proof about fire. But circumstantial evidences points to fire much earlier than we presuppose. Brain development is directly proportional to nutrition. Especially certain fatty acids. Fatty acids that are largely unavailable without cooking to make them digestible. Thus tool usage, speech, social behaviour etc may not predate fire but instead follow from fire usage. The Nat Geo magazine has a good article on this in 2012 (ish).
@@MrJento Naledi had brains a third the size of ours, lending to the idea they hadn't developed the ability to make fire.
They could have still harnessed fire from wildfires and kept it going a few days at a time.
Just losing fear of fire would be a huge leap.
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Perhaps. Redirect to my comment in this video vis a vis neuron density vice brain size. It’s not definitive, but suggestive.
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Or maybe they learned about fire from us.
They found a burnt partially cremated Homo naledi in the Lisedi chamber. They may not have had the ability to create fire, but they were aware of it and knew how to use it and at least occasionally get it or even make it. Have you ever been in a cave where you can’t see your hand in front of your face? You are so disorientated by the complete loss of sight that someone yelling to you (around corners, no less) would do little to no help at all in getting you where you need to be. Infants were present absent their mothers. Again, no cut marks on the bones. Deliberate burial, and it’s so obvious at this point I don’t even know why people are coming up with these crazy alternative theories. At this point, with all the evidence pointing to burial site, you should be considered the crazy one for thinking otherwise.
I think this channel will be fantastic in a year or so. Because without specific knowledge a lot of this would pass over the head of casual visitors. But it was a nice presentation all the same. I might check more of your videos.
Opening line _" You're watching this because you want to know more about ... "_ ... whereas I clicked on the icon due to a couple of other things ;-) Good content about Homo-Naledi. Was not aware of that prior to watching your video.
Nice channel and how you suggested to subscribe. Also I like your way to explain things
Seriously, a guy named “Rick Hunter” was the main guy. Hehe. It’s probably my warped sense of humour but I can imagine a guy dressed like crocodile Dundee.
“Rick Hunter, tomb raider” or “Rick Hunter and the tomb of niladi”.
The perfect name for an archaeologist. Hehe
Great video by the way. 😃
Super fascinating. I learn something new and interesting every day. Thanks Kayleigh for putting this great presentation together.
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I can imagine a communicating family group, uninjured, fleeing as deeply as they could into a cave system in order to escape an enemy such as another species, then becoming trapped - lost if any light became exhausted. A groups could communicate, given spoken language, spacing individuals at intervals. I would have tried it with my clan if being hunted by a clan of superior size, tools, etc. But, perhaps I am thinking in theatre...
I was thinking of a similar situation. She said there was no evidence of occupation or fire. The clan got chased in and got lost, feeling around by hand, then starved in family groups.
I thought this too, or an ecological disaster, packed in with other species, hiding as faraway as possible. Eventually the fresh air runs out and you suffocate. Fires in caves are a bad idea, assuming they even could make fire, fire eats oxygen fast.
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Thanks for this. I thought that I was very familiar with this species. And I almost skipped the vid. I'm very glad that I didn't. I was very familiar with the australopithecusine similarities. But I was completely unaware of the similarities with sapiens. Also, I didn't realize they were quite that tall. That's a lot taller than an australopithecine.
So again, thanks for the video. I enjoyed it immensely
Happy to hear that!
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Fox out.
ya academia as it is, wouldn't have wanted all aspects this very unique species as far as the integration of so many parts other hominids is present,
ya academia as it is, wouldn't have wanted all aspects this very unique species as far as the integration of so many parts other hominids is present,
I was just getting ready to log out and go to sleep (it's after midnight here) when a saw this video pop up as a suggestion in my news feed ... So glad that I couldn't resist "just a quick look before I go to sleep" I'm hooked! I can't wait to watch more of your content .... tomorrow.... well,later today 😉
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not gonna lie - my main reason for watching this is modern-day yowie/bigfoot/sasquatch/etc possibilities.
Actual info refreshing for sure will be looking at more.
Have you thought they was running from something and went in to the cave to hide. That would explain why it was no fire or food where they was found. If you had people taking the dead in all the time they would of needed fire to do so and probably would of taken time and been done over many years. Meaning the odds of losing something in the dark that could be found would be higher. If they was hiding from say a human type group that had the use of fire could explain why they was so deep in the cave and off in side rooms that hard to get in. It would of been a good place to hide when you seen the light of the fire coming. When you got in there it would be extremely hard to find your way out with out a light.
Just a differing idea to the burial area idea.
This hypothesis has been considered by the scientists and discounted for a variety of reasons. For more information one can read the scientific papers on Homo Naledi freely available in the open source scientific journal eLife. But some elements of the counter factual to this hypothesis include: The deposition site, particularly in the Dinaledi Chamber is so far from the cave entrance that there are countless hiding places that might have been used in an emergency situation. There would have been no need to venture so far into the cave to successfully evade a threat situation. The depositions occurred over an extended time period. They did not occur in a single, or even few discreet events.
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Hello💖 I saw a comment telling you to stop putting pictures of yourself on videos, which is now fortunately gone. I just wanted to tell you that if you want to put pictures of yourself you like and those pictures are appropriate to UA-cam, then the person who wrote that comment is the one who finds them attractive and your appeal does not discredit your work: a human that person finds beautiful cannot be as good as someone people find ugly?!
I’m not saying they are a bad person, but I must underline that that line of thought is very patriarchal and I hope they realize it.
Putting that aside, I wanna thank you from Italy for your videos, they are always so interesting and you put so much effort into them💜
Thank you, that's really kind of you. I deleted the comment because i felt like it was a bit too negative for my taste, i like this channel to be a positive space ♥️
Screw the haters Kayleigh, I like your thumbnails.
Only the very young and naïve would make such a statement. Very distasteful remark by that person. Always enjoy watching and listening very much.
complete agreement here, Francesca!
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Me too.
Let's see a ponytail, next time. Sunglasses. Leather jacket. Ash tray, with lit cigarette burning, on the table. 😎
Love your presentation,great job and keep up the good work.
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You’re such an amazing source of information- is it possible they used Echo location and/or that the eyes would become accustomed to the dark after a while - thank you 🙏 Kayleigh- love your work
I worked in a coal mine 65 years ago. We used carbide lamps. When they went out you could not see a thing, not a damn thing. Deep down in mines or caves there is no light absolutely none. It does not matter how good your eyes are, no light means your eyes can not pick up anything.
Any number of complicated physical and cultural adaptations are possible. But the simple answer is smack two rocks together in dry grass and make fire. Every thing circumstantial points to fire. They just have not found the actual fire pit. Yet.
@Theseustoo Astyages what's wrong with ancient aliens?, they make all the difficult questions a lot easyer, it's like things being atributed to religious or ceremonial use when the real answer is we don't know.
I hadn't heard of this discovery before and found it very interesting, as a race adapted for walking and climbing I rather doubt they would have lived their lives deep in caves, but nothing wrong with the concept of a temporary visit, possibly even to escape predation and then getting lost, maybe that may explain the variety of ages?, if they were a limited population then this may be the only trace left of them, or maybe the rest of them where beamed up by space aliens for religious or ceremonial purposes 😊😊.
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Excellent deductive logic. That’s what these comments are in the end. We have little hard evidence. Then make hypothesis which we test with logic. And so...
Your correct. Dolphins and whales have very large brains with which to echo locate things.
But what of the lowly bat? A tiny brain, yet an acoustic targeting system DOD would kill for. Highly developed social structure. Excellent memory and they score in the top 20% of animal intelligence tests. Yet the brain is about the size of a pea in the smaller ones.
Consider then not cranial volume, but neuronal density.
Back to you. Fox out.
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I sense in your comment a fellow jokester.
Nothing wrong with the logical consideration of alien life. But lacking any evidence we are left in the same lurch as with so many other hypothetical possibilities.
To say God created all is equally correct. You can have your cake and eat it too if you hypothesis that God decreed creation, then delegated the details to Mother Nature, with the admonition to make it self regulating, perpetual and endlessly evolving. Damn the complexity full speed ahead!
So in the spirit of Clarke’s comment on magic, we simply may never understand or find the aliens or Gods fingers in our pie. But I would suggest that we have been able to sort out a few of Mother Natures simpler tricks. And that is what Kayleigh and this comment section is about.
Fox, the trickster, out.
Thank you, very entertaining and interesting presentation of the matter!
Kayleigh, hello from Johannesburg south Africa, this site is literally just around the corner from me, what is incredibly interesting is yes the cradle of human kind has a modern border but in reality it actually spreads in all directions, mostly south.
due to colonization and the ideology of the previous apartheid government, it is thought that a lot of evidence of life before colonization was destroyed or coved up and or kept secret and those secrets went to the grave. there was massive excavation during the late 1800's the 1980's for gold.
all over the north west province there is evidence of ancient humans, remains of metal forges, "kraals" places to keep grazing animals at night, rock paintings, and so much more yet to be discovered you can actually see evidence of this from google earth. if you look closely at the genetic make up of the many different races and humans here in southern Africa you will realize that it's a very complex scenario and it's not simple to explain. look at the khoi San people, they are completely different to Zulu people, and both are very different to Basotho and so on. Africa has many mysteries of modern humans waiting to be discovered
I wouldn't be surprised if evidence had been hidden, destroyed or stolen for the black market. If that is true, this is a catastrophe for humankind and it clearly shows those people's ignorance and stupidity.
You are like a "nerd charmer". Your voice and very vast speech skills soothes my soul. As a Caribbean Spanish speaker I also love how you pronounce the "r".
The most interesting thing for me about these finds is the location.
Not finding any tools or remnants in the caves is highly significant and no evidence of fires is also very unexpected. There are ways to navigate dark caves without light using ropes or vines but I think that is highly unlikely considering the distance from the entrance, trying to deal with large rolls of vines in the dark isn't a simple task.
I wonder if a group were chased into the caves and couldn't find their way out but you'd expect some artefacts or stone tools to be found with the bones, at the very least a flint knife. I suspect that these have been overlooked by the teams that extracted the bones and are still waiting to be discovered, you did say that only very slender people could reach the caves where the bones were found so maybe they were not specialist enough to see the stone tools ?
The process of dragging a corpse that deep into a cave with such a tight fit gives your theory weight. A burial practice that only deposits 15 individuals isn't much of a practice.
They might have been living in the cave entrance and flood water carried them that deep into the cave.
@@ES-1984 ah, very nice theory. Ty
@@ES-1984 that possibility has been ruled out .
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Well done. You are the exception, you provided very detailed information without putting us to sleep. You are amazing, keep up the good work.
Thank you
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11:10 Depends on how you use it...
Also: could it be that this group of Naledis was trying to hide in these caves from fire/ predators/ flood/ ancient aliens/ etc and just got split and lost inside? 🤔
Flooded or washed into there as a small group? I had entertained the perhaps fanciful notion that they rather than being ' hobbits' were more " gollums" a troglodytic, especially darkness attuned proto-hominid. Of course it may have been possible that other entry sources they may have used to enter (or fall?) into the cave system have been since covered by tectonic events etc?
Whoa, I came into the chat to ask precisely this question! From the talks by the original researchers, it appears the last stretch to the Dinaledi chamber is quite a tough job. Carrying a dead person sounds pretty difficult. It seems much more feasible that they might have been in the upper chamber and scrambled when a predator entered, only to get lost or otherwise unable to climb back out due to whatever reason. They might also have suffocated there due to something as simple as CO2.
@Theseustoo Astyages Some predators might very well been unable to negotiate the final stretch- hyaenas, perhaps.
I’m not sure how I stumbled upon this channel but I found this fascinating. Can’t wait to see what else you have.🍻
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Kayleigh, I’m new to your channel and really enjoyed your presentation. I taught some ancient history for a few years and always enjoyed the constant growth of knowledge of early human origins. If you dropped out of high school, you must have studied again somehow? This would be interesting to know! Thank you!
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Wow, just discovered your channel. Really interesting and informative. I'm subscribing so I can increase my archeological knowledge base. I think you are a great presenter with a passion for your subject.
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FYI: The smaller-bodied team members, who alone could enter the Dinaledi chamber, were two or three different women.
Excellent presentation!!!
Yes... I have an interest in ancient history...
Good! Welcome to my corner of the internet
just subscribed. hope you do that interview. love hominids
Looks like they were protecting their dead by burying them deeply in a cave. This shows they had compassion and spirituality. Very interesting......
I felt the same
Fantastic content and great narration. Looking forward to seeing more.
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Very informative. I can't wait to watch some more of your videos.
hey, Kayleigh! very interesting! have they been able to do dna tests? would be interesting to see if we share any genes with them. with the mixed morphology, maybe a hybrid? i saw a documentary a few yrs back about this find and all or most of the cavers who recovered the bones were small women. few others could fit in the crawls before the chamber. i'd never heard of the second chamber, one of the reasons i follow you. i always learn something new.
so, Klee, it was very enjoyable learning about Naledi from M'lady🙃 good night and have a pleasant tomorrow😆
Nope, no DNA tests. Maybe one day
@@HistoryWithKayleigh hopefully.
Floyd. As far as genetics goes, there is a channel, Geo Nomad, that only does genetics of early homo. Unlike Kayleigh he is a deep dive into detailed genetics. He goes over some very detailed information on migration and evolution from the MyDNA and Y DNA perspectives. When it comes to some of the Africa only species DNA is often all you have. So I recommend him not to supplant Kayleigh but to supplement.
Fox out.
@@MrJento roger, Fox. i'll check him out.
@@HistoryWithKayleigh Actually they have attempted to recover DNA, so far without (published) success. Unfortunately the cave environment is not conducive to DNA preservation, being relatively warm and humid. I say published because intensive research in and around the Rising Star system is ongoing and obviously DNA evidence would be crucial in answering some of the questions you highlight in this video. I try to follow everything out there on Homo Naledi and will keep an eye on your channel hoping that you succeed in getting to interview Lee Burger. I get the sense that the team is very conscious that as yet unknown technologies may be developed in future, including possible advances in techniques of DNA extraction, and that part of their mission is to preserve a significant proportion of the content and context of the deposits for future scientists to examine with said undiscovered technologies.
Love nerding out over this stuff