LIVE | Nicolae Miu's sentencing in Apple River stabbing
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- Nicolae Miu will be sentenced for his role in the Apple River stabbing on Wednesday, July 31. Miu was convicted on April 11 of first-degree reckless homicide in the killing of Isaac Schuman, four counts of first-degree recklessly endangering safety in the stabbings of A.J. Martin, Dante Carlson, Anthony "Tony" Carlson and Ryhley Mattison, and battery of Madison Coen on the Apple River on July 30, 2022. Miu faces up to 97 years in prison, but it's ultimately up to Judge Michael Waterman.
No one won on this one. Parents of these entitled children. Teach your kids respect. You went after an elderly man. I think this whole case is bad all around these kids ruined two lives.
Drunk trouble making punks ruined his life, surrounded him, called him names and hit him, pushed him down into the water, I'm sure he was in fear for his life, they put their hands and more on him, not the other way around, if these were good people they would of been helping this older man look for the phone not bully him and then attack him and push him down into the water, the jury and the judge was bias and his lawyers should of asked for a change of venue, this guy didn't have a chance, they already knew what they were giving him!!!
Such a tragedy. Those teenagers were out of control. I believe that he was defending himself.
Yeah you can’t kill anybody nowadays.
Must have felt he was the fulcrum of a rioting mob, doubt he'll ever forgive them.
Where is the non alcohol Programm for the youngsters ruining two life’s?
He broke my heart speaking, he is so heartbroken, SO SAD! 😭
This seems so unfair. That's a life sentence for him. Was there a criminal penalty for the bullies who instigated this situation? Because there should be.
He savagely murdered a 17 year old kid i don't care what they said to him there acts of immaturity do not warrwnt being brutally stabbed by a mad man while there half naked in a river
he killed unarmed people who yelled at him with a knife. Is that the kind of world anyone wants to walk around in ?
@@macrograms thats life in the UK sadly
@@macrograms The boy who died laid hands on him first. It's on video. Had he not done that, he would still be alive.
@@macrogramsdruggies and scumbags😂
It’s sad what happened but those kids crowd bullied him and kept knocking him down in the water! Teach your kids to respect people!!
And teach your adults not to murder children! Also, not to conceal their crimes, lie to police, and maybe to have an ounce of sadness after killing someone instead of calling him names like “dog, monkey, or bastard.”
@@documentariesbycategory1483obviously yes! I’m saying this never would have happened though if they didn’t harass him. Started with them.
@@Ashley6exactly
@@Ashley6 I see your point but I do actually wonder. This is a man who carried weapons around everywhere he went, he’s got a machete in his car even! The swiftness with which he concealed the weapon, shortcut to the exit, blatantly lied to the police, and very casually pretended to be unaware of anything going on is quite telling. Then his defense and his prison calls are of the same stuff and is indicative of a very specific and atypical mindset which is profoundly disturbing.
I truly doubt that this was his first violent act. I’d bet that he has other victims and behaviors over the years but also clearly has a high IQ and has been successful in remaining undetected.
I kinda struggle with the idea that the kids “started it.” I mean, yes they were obviously obnoxious jerks but it would never occur to me to go on a stabbing spree every time I came across a group of teenage a-holes.
Oh yeah, sorry for the overly long response! 🤣 I’m a psychologist who used to work with offenders.
@@documentariesbycategory1483 I hear ya. I do think he needs to be punished- but yeah- the knocking him down in the water and crowd bullying was horrible.
no way fair, I still think this was self defense.
He could have walked away. He stabbed one to death, disemboweled another, and ripped others. Are you saying you want him released?? If so, ask him to move in next door to you- only please don't trigger him
I am from the area
@@Abbey2345He walked away and the morons of society followed him.
@@Abbey2345or handle your alcohol and keep your hands to yourself
@@Ceeshore I agree with you. The jury got it wrong. I don't think he was defended as well as he could be. It wasn't until the final argument today that he said anything worth saying. The judge was fair though.
This is so heartbreaking.
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Our justice system is a joke!!! Those kids were just as fault as he was!!!
Yes, teasing definitely deserves murder. It's sad that you're still holding on to being teased so long ago. You believe if this man got away with it then that somehow is getting back at the ones who teased you, but that is simply avoiding the fact that you're an emotionally weak individual.
You are so correct, in what world is this NOT self defense
@@jenniferkelley7868 It's only looked at as self defense in the world of the ultra sensitive cry babies who were teased as kids or teens. Any normal individual sees how atrocious and violent this man's behavior was. If you're still holding on to someone teasing you years and years ago, it is quite pitiful!
@@derekjet7715so calling someone a pedophile is considered teasing? The teens made a scene, got the attention of more civilians. If the teens went on with their day none of this would've happened.
@@derekjet7715I would like to add that people in society usually feel terrible if Young people get hurt or killed. If Young adults want to act like a bunch of tough guys then be prepared for the consequences.
At his age, 20 years is probably the rest of his life. Very sad. The teens should get sentences for their behaviour also.
Agreed, imagine being called a paedophile in public the humiliation, he shoudnt have used a knife but he was bullied so bad, and if he did punch that woman she was probaly up in his face screaming at him which is assault!
@@Lisa-xy7mw if someone yelled at you you'd stab them?
He had quad bypass on his heart, it is a death sentence.
Nothin sad about a coward that disemboweled an unarmed 17 year old !
@@Jhawk_2k Surrounded by 13 people? Yes.
Why didn't those kids help him look for his phone instead of calling him names. The youth of today have no respect. Each one of those smart asses should serve a year in prison for disorderly conduct.
Because they were too busy "representing the culture" and acting like drunken idiots
For causing evil and for the death they caused it not him
I believe he should have got time served. Do you notice how most public places have a policy that those under 18 have to be with adult supervision? Why do you think that is? Because of the chaos they cause to get a good "tiktok" video, to go viral. That's what they were trying to do with this man. When is enough, enough? As an adult we are supposed to say nothing, we are supposed to be recorded and harassed without any actions taken, and we are supposed to let those under 18 (even a group) to lay their hands on you without being in fear and definitely do not defend yourself. We have to play our part of being an adult so these kids can get a viral video.
Fair, but those kids were by no means innocent of starting the encounter. Unfortunately, another example of entitled kids...
I wouldn't say it's fair. He might as well have been convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life. He'll likely die in prison, given his age and health.
It makes one wonder: would the jury have convicted him of reckless homicide if they knew this would be the outcome? It seemed almost certainly to be a compromise verdict, and it's not much of a compromise if the punishment is still tantamount to life in prison.
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045he will be out at 72. He got at least another decade before he goes senile
@@Electiger-y5k The average life expectancy of a male in the U.S. is 73.2 as of 2023.
Also, senility is not the only concern. He has a history of significant health problems, and you can see he's not doing well. I'd be very surprised if outlives his sentence.
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045COVID has probably had an adverse affect on the life expectancy figures though.
He was actually the victim to begin with. These high drunk youngsters called him a pedo with no reason. And started to attack him physically. Including slapping him on his face and pushing him repeatedly in the water. He stabbed them after he was mistreated by them. The jury lost their minds in this sad case. God is the true Judge these bullies will not get away with this.
Release him and ask him to move in next door to you. Do you still want him free
I am from the area.
@@Abbey2345 as a law student I have no problems with that. He ain't a bad person by nature.
@@Charitin you're a better person than I am. Good luck with your studies
@@Abbey2345 not only would I have live next door to me. I'd invite him to move in. He has more values & morals then the "kids" who are bullies and instigators
I commend this Judge for noting all of the wonderful things about this poor man. But DO NOT agree with his sentencing. This whole thing was just one big accident that should have never happened. Maybe if we had better control of our children, things like this wouldn’t happen. This poor man has been put through the wringer and does NOT deserve this. I pray for everyone involved. ❤
ya, but then sentenced him to life essentially
@@Ceeshore true. I will edit my comment because you are 100% right!
Obviously you did not watch the trial, or the recorded incident. Miu should have gotten 80 years and never walked free ever again
Twenty years is a long time. Whatever prime in life is gone for that man. I'm 73 and I know...
Nonsense , he’s still young at 72 when he gets out
Shaver u still just a baby I'm 200 years old
@@denniscole5105 OK Moses...
@@Electiger-y5k I don't know...I spent all day at the range yesterday with a variety of high power rifles and feel a bit wimpy today
@bulbasaur-dx5wy his overall health will factor into how he will be as a 73 year old man. He has already been credited for 2 years time served. The fact he has a history of heart issues is concerning. I think probation would have been a reasonable option for a man like Miu. This guy is not your typical defendant and most definitely doesn't pose a threat to society or his inmates
The judge was fair. The parents cheated their kids. ALCOHOL IS NOT A TOY! Teach your kids to be their best. There is NOTHING cute about drunk teen or adult.😥😥😥🧠🤯💖💖🕊✌🏿✌☮🙏🕊✨💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
This man is dying in front of our eyes, he is irreparably broken. I wish to God he hadn’t had that knife in his pocket, I wish the young man had lived, but I cannot see how he will survive the sentence, sad/tragic all around.
He’s a psychopath and deserves to rot in prison
@@Electiger-y5kGTH
He's not a psychopath just someone who made a terrible mistake @@Electiger-y5k
This case is not sitting well with me. Just tragic all-around.
If he didn't have a knife he likely would have been killed or seriously injured.
He was the one that weirdly approached the kids starting the incident, killed one, stabbed 5, lied, fled the scene, etc. So in my opinion: you never know what to expect from a baby’s butt or a judge’s head.
You are leaving out many valuable parts of the trial. 5 years max, and even that would be a stretch
A tragedy , the jury failed this man , this is a sad and horrible tragedy, if there was ever a self defense case!!!!! THIS Is it !!! My prayers are with the miu family, I'd like to know how it's ok to attack a man and hold him down , that's a crime against me miu , there are a whole group of people in my opinion who should be charged, shame on them, and I feel for the family of Issac , but it's not Mr .miu fault
It's terrible that this man is going to prison because of a bunch of drunk trouble making punks!
Truly a sad situation where no one walks away a winner.
Now everyone wants to cry parents teach your kids to be respectful
What are you saying here
To anyone defending Miu the psychopath, you need to watch his testimony, the victims testimonies, the video they filmed of him instigating & punching the young girl first.
Facts, he was looking at them underwater w his goggles on
Mius friends told him NOT to approach the young kids as they'd think he was a pedophile
His friends said NOT to look for their phone as they had insurance & didn't care
Miu checked his pocket to ensure he had his knife PRIOR to approaching them (he planned to do harm prior to approaching them
Miu ran up to their tube's grabbing their legs & rope
The teens yelled at him several times telling him to get away, to leave them alone to go go go
Miu had MANY opportunities to leave but stated he DIDNT
Mius friends told Miu to leave them alone but he still didn't
It was ONLY AFTER Miu approached the 2 teen girls hovering over them, they told him to leave telling him he's a predator that he initiated the fight by PUNCHING the girl in the face & throwing her back
It was ONLY AFTER Miu started it that the girls guy friends pushed Miu back & punched him
(Mind you Miu already pulled his knife out holding it at his side PRIOR to punching the girl in the face AND Miu had a SMIRK as he held his knife)
When Miu stabbed AJ, he held the knife blade up and "gutted" him from intestines up to diaphragm
He said he would have gotten more if he could have to have more "bellies up".
Miu LIED about the entire event to his friends, wife, police who arrested him & to investigators. He said he heard kids yelling & kids being kids. He said he didn't see anyone hurt (as the psycho floated past the destruction he caused causally as if nothing happened)
Before police arrested him. He'd put on a long sleeve shirt, sunglasses and hat to disguise himself trying to walk past the first cop he saw.
NOT ONCE did Miu state he was Assaulted, that he was fearful or fighting for his life until he realized they had a video of the entire event. Prior to that he LIED stating the kids had knives & they threatened him with it. All a LIE. Then Miu said that he took the kids hand that was holding the knife and used the kids hand to stab the kid. All a LIE. His entire testimony he "couldn't remember ANYTHING" except his feelings of annoyance claiming he wasn't angry. His lies are so preposterous it's disgustingly laughable.
The guy is a straight up psychopath & should have gotten 2nd degree murder. I don't believe he planned to do that necessarily PRIOR to going to Apple river, but per the facts of the case, it shows he intended to do significant damage or kill them prior to his approaching them (again checking his pocket to ensure he had his knife). Another thing as he approached the kids initially, he put his goggles in his mouth to have his hands free to grab the kids. Miu instigated this entire thing & Assaulted them first. He's a ticking time bomb.
The police found a MACHETE in his vehicle...Mius own wife testified he carries it with him "in the case of a road rage incident"
For anyone who is naive or uniformed of these cluster b sociopathic psychopathic personalities I highly recommend you research & study it and listen to every interview & video of this case so you will not become of victim of his type.
They are nothing but hateful, vindictive, offensive, manipulative, spiteful dangerous individuals who feel ENTITLED to punish anyone who they feel offended by. Any normal person would simply walk away from any conflict escalating whatsoever. He gutted FIVE kids who told him to leave them alone numerous times.
He should have gotten life in prison without parole. Please watch every video before making uniformed assumptions. I admit I too thought the kids started it & felt bad for him UNTIL I watched every video & interview. I then was disgusted by him. He is a walking evil being.I 💯 believe he lost weight to appear this feeble old man playing poor me victim (typical) of the real perpetrators. Notice how none of the real victims acted this way?! Not ONCE was he remorseful for the damage and death he caused UNTIL immediately prior to sentencing. Miu deserves to rot a long life in prison, I hope he never is released.
I cannot believe how many people don’t agree with this view. So many people are so sympathetic towards him yet I wonder if they genuinely don’t see it how you’ve just listed it to be. From the moment I saw this case, and watching the trial, I seriously cannot agree more with what you are saying
I did and the reason why he lied is what he said people get convicted for self-defense, and what do you know they proved his point they convicted him. He was scared and didn't want to go to jail that's why he lied. Have you ever been in a fight in water? It is very very scary! He's getting pushed and hit endure in the water feeling like you're going to drown and you feel like someone can kill you at any second. I have fought in the water and I couldn't even imagine going through what he went through being jumped by all them people. I feel sorry for the guy he got wrongly convicted
And another thing he was under the water looking for his phone and them kids just came up with that s*** off the top of their head talking about pedophile pedophile you know how kids are ?they're evil…those kids were lying on him from the get-go
And he didn't go at anybody stabbing them everybody he stabbed was coming at him it's just ridiculous he got convicted
Just because they're telling him to go he has to go he has every right to be there just as much as they do
It was Mr. Miu against how many drunken teens? At one point, they tried to drown him. Mr. Miu had a knife for cutting the rope with the tubes, he took it out to defend himself. I wish the parents would parent better to show their children to be respectful especially to elders. I am extremely sad for Mr. Miu, he is a good citizen, God Bless him🙏🏼 And he did walk away!!! It should have been time served only
How anyone could still believe that he hit that girl or did he deserves to go to prison after being beaten by those bullies is beyond me
Yet there has never been any part of that video presented in the courtroom or to the public that backs up the claim that he hit her.
I agree, this is outrageous, they surrounded him and attacked him, he was in fear for his life, it was self defense! The jury and judge was bias and he didn't have a chance!
Mr. Miu is not a threat to society, he doesn't even have a record, he is educated, he had a good job, the judge said all of this but he didn't even have to say it , u can just tell and I believe he is truly sorry about this whole ordeal.
Always wondered why he didn't just walk away and why he lied to police. The kids weren't innocent either but sad someone got killed and others injured.
Because he’s arrogant , he couldn’t let it go
If he didn't have the knife he would have been killed or seriously injured.
@@Electiger-y5kthat's not how it went at all
Adults should have more control and walk away.
He keeps losing weight. Does not look well.
He’s on a hunger strike I think
So, this teaches that when a gang comes upon you, the punishment for 1 or 20 will be the same.
He got chin checked not bludgeoned by 20 people only cowards bring a knife to a fist fight obviously your a coward too 😂
He didn't try to diffuse the situation even one time.
He turned himself into a predator.
What do you mean he was getting his ass beat by 13 people in 2 ft of water have you ever been in a fight in water? You feel like someone can end your life a lot quicker than if you were just fighting and you where somewhere else. It's very very scary fighting in water let alone being attacked by a bunch of people you think's going to kill you?
@@Bronsonatlarge He had several times where people tried to assist him out of the water including women and he refused to budge or walk away.
Yes, very scary but he also did not one thing to try and de-escalate.
I do hope those boys also get in front of a judge. They were ruthless.
This is wrong on ALL LEVELS! When is it ok to be bullied by teens and you defend yourself and ur the bad guy? No I DO NOT agree with his actions. Best thing is to walk away and he should know this being an adult, but sometimes it’s hard to do bc the actions of others. I hate it for the one killed and those hurt, but ALL were at fault. Not just one.
No winners here.
Another man said this happend to him also qnd he thought he was going to die. He has severe ptsd now really bad and will not go near a river anymore.
@@marinka424 It's to late they already sentenced him.
This man is dying in front of our eyes. I fear he won’t even make 2 years. This WAS self defence. They started this and he is paying the price 💔
I am glad this judge took into account who he really was a person, not who he was forced to be on July 30th, 2022. It is a shame he lost everything over a bunch of losers who couldn't handle their alcohol and picked a "weak target" to prey on. May they all find accountability in their lives for the roles they played in this tragedy. 20 years was way below the minimum for the crime. For once, I feel the most sympathy for the defendant
Sad all around. Considering the circumstances 5 years would have been plenty. With Miu's health conditions 20 years amounts to life.
Hope these kids are happy with their contribution to this situation.
Did you guys forget Nicolae being a weirdo around the kids’ tubes searching for his friend’s cell phone? He thought for sure they had the phone so he was circling them and at one point charged at them. His odd behavior started the entire interaction.
Nobody should’ve died that day. Crazy.
Did you forget he was also physically attacked almost to the point of drowning before he attacked? I'm guessing so. Everyone that's against Nicolae seems to neglect to mention those FACTS. They also neglect to mention that his conduct was perfectly legal before being attacked in such a way that could have killed him. Be careful you don't end up at the end of someone else's knife with your logic. I have a feeling you probably will.
He was not being a weirdo. He was wanting to recover the phone he thought they had. You fell under the persuasion of suggestion. The only reason Nikolai was over there was because the kids drew attention to themselves. They should practice kindness and minding their own business
@@marinka424 Very disgusting. If someone puts their hands around my throat they can die by my hand too. Minor or not. I don't blame this guy at all and I think the speeches the families gave were even more disgusting. Acting as if they did nothing wrong. Don't worry they will all get theirs. IN TIME. I just pray for Nik and his family. He's a good man who never deserved the treatment he's had to endure or his sentence. This fool who made the comment we're all replying to can't seem to say a single word in response to ours because they know their argument makes no sense. Just making up lies at this point.
Very sad case but those kids where out of control they behaved like a bunch of wild animals they where out for trouble.Feel bad for this guy.
I believe those kids were bullying this guy..I wish he would have walked away.
Yes. It is so sad. The prosecutor here, is not telling the whole truth. How it went.
I would have feared for my life as well, surrounded by so many...
One thing though: he should have told the truth. Police interview. I think, that is, what made the jury give this verdict.
For me, it was, self defense....but also could have been prevented. They all made stupid decisions. So difficult this.
But he didn't walk away. Instead he killed a 17 year old boy and tried to kill 4 others. He had the knife, he pulled the knife and he used the knife. I think 20 years is a fair sentence for him. The family of Issac got a life without their child.
They absolutely were being obnoxious. Thankfully we don’t get to go around murdering people because they’re annoying brats. He rushed up on them and started the violence. His prison calls with his brother were telling and utterly chilling.
@@judydoster5551 With his age and heartcondition, that is life. The second group, messed it up. The girls.
I saw this trial, as a learning proces for my own children. For my son: never mock and taunt an older gentleman for nothing. And for my daughter: never go screaming into somebody's face, while you don't know the situation. The second group, should have said to the boysgroup: "move along boys, let this man alone". Instead of believing the childmolester/ r...ist story. Told my kids: Never ever, 13 against 1.
But well, indeed Isaac being my son: I would have wanted Nicolae also in prison.
@@documentariesbycategory1483 He was thrown down into the water twice. On rocks. And held from behind. Having a heartcondition. With cheering boys. Making a nice TikTok video. But indeed, a 17 year old should have never died.
AS USUAL IN OUR SICK SOCIETY, THE BULLYS WON. BULLYS SENT THIS MAN TO PRISON FOR 20 YEARS. I HOPE ANY AND ALL PAIN THE SO-CALLED "VICTIMS" AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE EXPERIENCING ONLY GETS WORSE AS TIME GOES ON BECAUSE THE BLAME ALWAYS LIES ON THE BULLYS.
You're disgusting and obviously in need of help. You've just said that you hope the family of the lad who was killed gets worse and worse pain as time goes on. Karma is a bitch sweetie and one day you'll probably regret saying that. HE was the adult and was such a coward he chose to take out a weapon and stab a kid to death and the only thing you can think of to say was poor him and questioning if the 'murdered' and he was murdered, kid was even a victim?
100 percent
Shame on the judge for siding with the bullies!
Shame on you. I am from the area. You want him to get angry and kill us all
The judge actually gave him a much lighter sentence than the minimum. Personally? I think he should have gotten probation. He wasn't the problem, the kids were
@Abbey2345 OH really? I would probably watch that pack of wild animals that attacked an elderly man. They are the ones you want keep an eye on
@@Abbey2345I agree, if you pay attention to all the evidence he is a scary man, I feel bad for those kids just enjoying a day on the river, they didn’t start anything!
Heartbreaking!
Everyone that was harmed after the disemboweled guy is not self-defence, as he was already on his feet and could have ran away or at least let them know that he had a knife and leave him alone. Instead he killed someone. Fair sentence.
the kid he killed had his hands on Nicolaes throat
Appeal this shit. Those kids are monsters and should've AT LEAST been charged along with him.
He said they were kids just being kids. Kids can be mean, it’s our job to show them they don’t need to be. Tragic for all involved!
It's sad a kid had to die so young,parents need correct their children early on and teach them that bullying is a very dangerous behavior
II'm sorry for him. After being bullied and atacked by a crowd of drunks, the right of self defense is denied to him, and now he gets basically a life sentence, while the real bad guys ain't even processed. Everything was on video.
On video-a murder, a disemboweling, and others ripped open. He could have walked away any time. Ask him to be released and to move in next door to you- just be careful you don't agitate him
I am from the area
@qasser-gw4xv we did not see the same video, apparantly. You have no idea what he has done to the community
@marinka424 we did not see the same video, apparantly. People snap all the time and kill one person and then are sentenced to life in prison. 20 years is nothing for all he has done to the community
@@marinka424 You are being ridiculous
His attempts to conceal, boldfaced lies, and playing unaware are nothing compared to his prison calls with his brother! Absolutely a covert psychopath!
This is disgusting he was defending himself from young kids acting like idiots and now your trying to make them out like angels
They weren't good people at all, if they were, they would of been helping this older man look for the phone, not harass him and attack him and lie on him, because he didn't hit Madison the Liar, it was proven she lied and if he would of hit her, it would of been on the video!
They are little demons! Thats not lying! That just shows you how he feels about them and he was in fear of his life! We all saw the video, he pulled out the knife after he was knocked down several times, and they were making him go in the opposite direction of his group. But ok walk away..this is a perfect example of how not to raise your children entitled. You act this way you get what you get. This whole sentencing is a joke! Those kids should be charged
With a sentence like that at his age you would think he was convicted of premeditated murder. Shame on the judge and shame on the jury.
Absolutely outrageously disrespectful treatment towards someone that was a complete stranger that virtually hadn't said a word minding their own business and was shouted and yelled over when he did.
20 Years?? No prior offenses.. he did wrong but so did those kids ! Fatal over reaction / terrible 3-5 most !
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This is an interview with his twin brother. I can’t understand why he was not called as a character witness? He talks about a frightening childhood that would certainly cause PTSD…. and perhaps it could have helped his defense????
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I hate this prosecutor, those drunken kids behaved in the most horrendous manner and caused this whole tragic situation shame on them and their parents
I hate people who think murder is okay but very US tho.. It's in the US dna.
The prosecutor is a prime example of someone who could never get a job in a reputable law firm. You can tell by looking at him that he has no self-control. The drunken teenage goons could also use a trip to the gym.
@@pelleoh I hate people who think that physical assault and verbally attacking people is okay, because it is not. By the way, the land doesn't give people their DNA. You should know the US is filled with all kinds of different races and ethnicities. Then again, maybe you wouldn't. No telling what kind of slum you live in with that stupid ass logic. You clearly have a lack of education.
@@TheOtherBoleynGirl336 Some people just condone murder just like Hitler and Mao.. Pure evil.
Dam my heart hurt with his statement
Great lawyers and great judge in this case.
Unresolved anger management issues will ruin many peoples’ lives.
Look at him. Theyre is no way this guy is gonna make it 20 months. Never mind 20 years 😝
amazing words from this judge. wow
The 'smirking' I'm really so sick of hearing about the 'smirking'... That is, clearly, the 'smile' someone has when they're paralyzed with fear. ' People smile nervously. It's a forced smile to hide discomfort. "Nervous grin' is a very common expression.
The 'weapon'....People who have never feared for their life don't understand... Your hands are not enough of a defense... You *will* look for a weapon (a rock, a stick, a frying pan, a pen, a bottle, or the knife you happen to have in your pocket). 'Survival mode' is also a very common expression.
The 'charging'....He did NOT 'charge' the group... He rushed over because for a moment he thought they were holding a 'found phone'. WHY would these young men be filming him? Had they not been filming him, he would've had no reason to bound through hip-deep water... And, yes, *anyone* moving through water quickly, moves like we saw him moving in the video.
I heard a lot about what the Miu *should've* done differently, and the jury was clear about that. However, it appears that a lot of the frustration in the public is that these 'group members' (BOTH 'groups') just don't seem to realize that there were MANY things they *should've* done differently. I know young people suffered, so this will sound harsh, but had they just left Miu alone, Miu would've just kept snorkeling.
Fair sentence! I just hope that the parents of those kids, as well as the kids (who I believe, are now legal adults) understand the consequences of their actions. It wasn't just Nicolae who was behaving poorly that day he was just the one who made a very bad decision. Those kids could just as easily walked away as well as the woman who chose to insert herself into the situation. I always found it weird that a grown-ass woman decided to jump in and stick up for a group kids in their late-teens who clearly outnumbered Nicolae. They were laughing, drinking and swearing and she somehow decided they needed help. Just plain weird, creepy behaviour on her part and I hope she has learned a lesson from this.
Travesty of justice. He gets 20 years for defending himself from multiple lying attackers, yet none of those who attacked him first have been charged.
What a great lawyer. He truly believes in his client.
A very unfortunate chain of events, poor decisions and a lack of attempt to avoid physical violence. The legal and criminal system is always in question and it is very difficult to reach a fair verdict in the end. The fact is that the anger, loss and grief could have been avoided if everyone involved in this terrible thing had stopped for a moment, thought about it and tried to act sensibly. Because everything can turn really bad in a split second.
True but it did happen. He decided to use that knife. Even before that he went over to floats of teenagers and touched their legs. M may be innocent on his part, but it’s odd and the group reacted. Yes, they were immature and obnoxious but a normal adult does not react by staying there and stabbing them. I don’t think he is a monster, but he has obvious has issues as his actions were not appropriate. I find it disturbing his many are just hateful towards the group of young people and think because they were rude they deserved to die.
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I agree with you and I wonder why Miu didn't in any way statet his search for the phone?! One does not approach a group of strangers and start acting weird without any reason, that'll lead to confusion/Irritation and eventually further questionable actions..
And he just casually walked off after the events and lied about the incident after he got caught. Those young people surely did their part but he startet this in a bad way.
Someone needs to clean that river up. It's full of trash.
I have floated the Apple River , there are always loud mouths on every float, I was one of them way back in the day, and yes these young people should of just shut up, and he should of walked away. But booze fueled outburst don't go that way. But he did not need to stab them, then lie about it over and over, blaming them for having the knife. etc., He needs to serve time, if this was my child I would not be happy with anything less then a conviction and serving time. It is easy to look from the outside in, but I believe the Jury made the right decision. Just my opinion don't rip my head off.
Do I think he think Nik should serve some time in prison, absolutely, yes. He used unreasonable measures, lied and definitely should have made better decisions. But if the mouthy, looking for trouble gang, had floated on by, none of this would have happened. I’d love to have heard about their behaviour earlier in the day, because I very much doubt Nik was the first person they tried goading.
The people looking in on this case has been SO DIVIDED. I’m sick over this one. I run Mom’s For Justice on UA-cam and welcome you all on Monday night. In doing a live episode with online chat.
The antagonist criminals who got what they came for, got away with it. Shame to the system. They followed the man up river with their rafts and the Jury just ignores that fact. They were the intimidating and touching Mr. Mui. He needs a retrial of peers.
So no mention of drinking of under age people nice judge.I would like to know what would anyone do if that was done to you.Miu is the victim
Appeal!
No one supports what those "kids" did and they were NOT KIDS they acted criminally. Look at the comments we cannot all be wrong. Justice denied for that older dude.
#justiceforNicolaemui 😢
The law is absolutely clear. What concerns me is that many of the people writing comments on UA-cam: 1) don't know the law, and 2) probably have access to lethal force, typically in the form of firearms. What's the law? You cannot use lethal force unless it could be reasonably concluded that you or someone was confronting the imminent danger of loss of life or... great bodily harm. That condition was not met when Mr. Miu chose to use lethal force. Mr. Miu was not facing a lethal threat. You can't knife people that you get into a shoving match or argument with. Twenty years is light sentence for the crime that Mr. Miu committed. The fact that people don't grasp these basic, incontrovertible facts and defend murder as self-defense is bonkers. I would say that most of these people have absolutely no idea what a real self-defense situation is like. Me? I do. I got shot (just missed my heart) when I was 24 in an attempted holdup and wound up driving myself to Martin Luther King, Jr. Hospital in South Central Los Angeles. I almost died. I've had to defend myself from the Crips, the Bounty Hunters, and the Nazi cell inside the LA Firestone Sheriff's Department. You people have no idea what self-defense against real (not imagined) thugs is like. Miu murdered someone's teenage son and gutted several others with his knife. And for what? Not a damn thing. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
I believe he is remorseful. I also think that even if he had just walked away to begin with, they would have come after him. But we'll never know for sure.
It’s crazy every comment I read is saying he is innocent if we all see it why can’t our justice system?
Judge was nauseatingly too charitable in his words and sentencing. Outrageous.
These kids are being portrayed as " young innocent " kids, they acted like stupid, selfish and spoiled ass kids. Awe, their so innocent....b.s. the typical bullies. These days you can't do that....people today aren't putting up with that b s.
The judge is proud of the American justice system? Then sends an elderly unwell man to prison for 20 years.. I’m looking forward to those two groups being held accountable for their actions now especially the blonde female and the delinquent recording the whole thing shouting an innocent man is a raper.
When will that be happening?
This is infuriating! Those kids were a bunch of punks!
I won’t ever understand concurrent sentences in cases that involve this nevel of harm. Two others almost died, and two others injured and basically doing no time for those crimes.
This looks like mistrial.! Today the first time I came across this case. And then I watched some of the videos. I work Vegas behind the bar from 1988 till 2007. This guy have more than two beers just look at his eyes and body language. He’s not lying He cannot recall crap because he was so drunk. His wife and friends covering up for him because in their mind consequences on all of them. Why don’t you ask any police officers who do and perform traffic DUI will tell you I am right. Are we leaving in a banana Republic? children are not always right and I’m not saying he’s innocent. And knowing European culture when they ask him what he doing he probably did said he looking for a little girls by being sarcastic.
He had the chance to walk away and still went back after he knew how ruthless those teenagers were…his ego was hurt and he wanted the last word , he knew what he was doing and took this kid life out of anger. He wouldve never went back and wouldve let it go without his pocket knife.
THATS THE REAL STORY.
He was defending his self no doubt in my mind he had every right to
Scary so many think what he did was ok. That if teenagers behave badly it’s ok to stab them. Very disturbing.
I don't think he's gonna live much longer judging by the way he looks now
The more the defense attorney talks, the longer the jail sentence wants to be. The most insufferable diatribe EVER.
Exactly! He seemed hell bent on retrying the case and telling the judge how to do his job. I didn't think he'd ever shut up.
Wrong! The drunken goons and the “female” hippo attacked him.
I agree the defense lawyer is not helping the defendant’s plight, he appears to to like the sound of his own voice and is trying to give a capable judge a law lesson, rather arrogant. All he needed to do was to talk from his heart on behalf of his client.
I feel so bad for him, he lost so much weight. His action was not right but also those kids were not right also..
The sentence was fair. Here is a case of entitled kids (adults, really) and an aging man who would have gotten vigilante justice sooner or later. He probably fantasized about this kind of situation, and he finally got it. The machete in the car was pretty telling. Road rage? Usually you would call 911. Maybe pepper spray? A machete? He likely had been humiliated in the past and was not going to take it anymore. He instigated, grabbed the rafts, smirked and hid the knife. Also, take away the alcohol and this would have been a very different scene.
It seems they F around and Found out
I’m confused is it 20 c1, 5 c 2, 5 c3, 6 c4, 5 c 6, 276 days c6 = 41??
It was self defense. They were acting like bullies. If they would have left him alone no of this would have happened. He was trying to enjoy himself too.
This is sad for all parties but if he walked away his life would have been ruined away. He would have been labeled. People need to stop being bullies.
This did not need to happen. People think its funny to humiliate people. Everyone isn’t going to put up with it. And then u get this. They punched and kicked him. They lied and made a spectacle of him.
And he had to leave. Those boys were wrong and they need to be punished as well. They need to be held accountable for their actions. Sad none of that had to happen. Those boys were looking for trouble. And the found it. Sad for all.
He should have hired OJ's attorneys
Don't believe your lying eyes. Look at the whole video(s). Fleeing the scene... running away... which is tantamount to guilt... then providing vacillating statements & lies... more lies
>The jury saw the whole video(s)... not just snippets like commentators... ESL, poor English skills...MIU started the altercation... He should not have been grabbing at the girls legs... Didn't explain why he was grabbing at the girls legs... Why he was looking under the water amidst them... Ergo, the young people taunting him... Miu Brought/introduced a deadly weapon to the altercation... not defensively, but rather offensively. MIU Testified "I Stood My ground..." ADA: "Didn't back up?"... MIU: "No, I didn't." Those were kill thrusts... Frontal attack thrusts... Slashing thru the mid-drift, pushing under the ribs... toward the pulmonary ascending or descending aortic artery... kill thrusts taught to completely overpower your target... his were Trained To Kill movements... With refugees, people coming from other countries... we DON"T KNOW their backgrounds... whether they've killed before... whether trained to kill... The kids also were not experienced criminals...
He needs to appeal this case.What was he suppose to do?This is a self defense case written all over it
A beastly evil force was on the river that day.
If you carry a machete for road rage and a knife for floating you are always looking for a fight. He felt the kids disrespected him and he was having none of it. NOW he's sorry!!
The kids did disrespect him. That's how this got started. Did you not see how many kids was standing behind Nikolai? If he was not walking away why were they behind his back
The judge really ruined our entertainment by not showing the victim family interviews . It was spicy stuff . I read Isaac’s mother was so angry calling Nick a demon and saying Nick had no remorse and how upset she was her loser son is gone😂