Cathkin Park: Scotland's Great Lost Stadium
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2022
- Hidden away in a city park just 15 minutes from central Glasgow, almost overgrown with trees and weeds, are the remains of what looks like an old football stadium. But what was this place? And what happened to it? I went to Scotland to visit the legendary Cathkin Park...
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Cathkin Park Limited on Twitter (some great archive images here!) - / cathkinpark
Sam from the brilliant @FootyAdventures visiting a snowy Cathkin in winter 2021 - • ABANDONED CHAMPIONS......
Glasgow Times article with more detail about Bill Hiddleston and the demise of Third Lanark - www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/...
Cathkin Park on The Stadium Guide - www.stadiumguide.com/cathkinp...
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Hampden Bowling Club by Footballfactsandimages - commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...
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For more about the story of Third Lanark and Cathkin Park:
Glasgow Times article with more detail about how Hiddleston ruined the club and then escaped justice - www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/other_football/15167547.conman-chairman-bill-hiddleston-cheated-justice-after-driving-third-lanark-to-the-wall-in-scotlands-greatest-footballing-year/
Glaswegian actor Simon Weir, a passionate Cathkin fan, gives a first-hand account of its history and possible future (some great archive photos here!) - ua-cam.com/video/qbP3G5FsDS4/v-deo.html
Sam from the brilliant @Footy Adventures channel visits a snowy Cathkin in winter 2021 - ua-cam.com/video/OuYLwHASezk/v-deo.html
Cathkin Park Limited's Twitter account has additional archive photos - twitter.com/cathkinpark
More about Cathkin's history on The Stadium Guide - www.stadiumguide.com/cathkinpark/
Got to laugh at that Glasgow Evening Times report on Third Lanark with the usual corrupt mainstream media attempt to make out that Glasgow Rangers didn't suffer the same fate as Third Lanark - contrary to what this crap rag says Rangers did go straight to bust as was reported in all of maintream media at the time and then after a bunch of crooks bought the assets of the club Rangers that is still being liquidated as I write this they gave their new team a similar name to the old one and have been passing that off as the old Rangers ever since and the corrupt SFA/SPFL and mainstream media have been going along with this scam ever since as they need this PRETEND original Rangers and their mug fans who think that it is still the same club because it is all to do with MONEY and nothing to do with sport as it is bad enough them trying to sell crap Scottish football to TV etc Sponsors and they need a Celtic and "Rangers" to do so even though it is these two teams that have totally destroyed Scottish football where most of their fans do not support their local teams but support these two teams depending on what school they went to or church that they do not bother attending as well. This is why myself and most of the Scottish population do not watch or follow Scottish football any more with only around 150,000 people in total attending all of the Scottish football league matches in total every week and yet football, fans in this country think that football is important when over 5 million people do not bother with it.
Would love to visit the place but more importantly I'd love to hear a full album of Coldplay songs played on a bagpipe
I would also recommend reading the excellent book 'The Ghosts of Cathkin Park' by Michael McEwan.
Not see any neds on your travels
Fascinating video but that article you link to is really poor. George Young was the manager in question, not Willie Young ( who is either an ex-referee or former Aberdeen, Spurs & Arsenal star). And the writer can't even spell Shankly's surname correctly. Or Hiddelston's. Managers are poorly researched. Of the three mentioned only Young quit over Hiddelston. Evans left at the end of 1964-65 to go back to playing (with Raith Rovers) and Shankly left to take over at Dundee - which was a step up. He later led them to the league title while brother Bill was still in the Second Division with Liverpool. Oddly enough George Young's first match in charge of Thirds was a League Cup semi-final v Arbroath at which Shankly handed over to him. That led to the rare sight of both men sat in the Thirds dug-out at the same time.
I'm old enough to have seen Third Lanark play, though not at Cathkin. I'm certain what happened to them couldn't happen now. Plenty of clubs have gone under in the years since and almost all of them have survived in some shape or form or come back as a 'phoenix' club. Supporters have made sure of that. Back in 1967 fans weren't as organised as they are today and authority was much more readily accepted. Every time a team goes under now then within days plans are under way to keep the club going or to revive it. It was Thirds' misfortune to go under 20-30 years too early.
I was a Third Lanark fan. I am 81 and was quite fanatical at the time. We had a free scoring forward line of Goodfellow, Hilley, Harley, Grey and McInnes. One season we scored 100 goals but we had 80 against. One game against Hibs ended 8-4 to Hibs and we missed two penalties. We got revenge by beating then 6-1 at Cathkin.
Ah thank you for the comment Maurice - it's great to hear from a real Third Lanark fan. That was the 1960-61 season, when they finished third.They must have been fantastic to watch that year!
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This is amazing! 😀
@@TheTimTraveller I was wondering if maybe you could do a video about Andorra one day
@@TheTimTraveller also are you considering visiting the orkney islands
Coldplay on the bagpipes. Genius.
Legit came to the comments to mention this
Double like.
Was that Mapmen on bagpipes too when we saw the map of three Hampden Parks?
making a subtle hint about ColdPlay, then fill the episode with ColdPlay on bagpipes. Genius.
It’s fix you by Coldplay when he’s talking about fixing up the stadium
The addition of Clocks in the style of bagpipes was genius. Loved the back story to Third Lanark as well
And Going Underground. And the Map Men theme.
@@alexythemechanic8056 I heard the Map Men theme and was like 'hold on, wait a moment', and yes that is genuinely what it is. Brilliant work.
And Fix You at the end.
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But also the Location,Location, Location theme! I do love some Phil and Kirstles
I visited this place over 30 years ago when the trees were much shorter. Fascinating and atmospheric. If you want to visit another disused but still in decent condition football ground, you could do worse than go to Stadion de Wageningse Berg in The Netherlands, former home of FC Wageningen, who went bust in 1992. The stadium has been preserved as a sort of football time capsule of the 20th century by the supporters. Well worth a visit, and I would love to see your take on the place.
Ooh cheers for the tip! Never heard of that. Looks v cool
Yup
yea do that one!
Never thought I'd see the day Wageningen was mentioned on the internet as someone who currently studies at the university there haha. Also just learnt that this Sunday is Open Monument Day here and that the stadium has some special stuff going on as a result.
@@TheTimTraveller i’ll also add in the sort of famous stadium Za Lužankami in Brno, Czechia
That Coldplay track played on bagpipes gave me a good chuckle
It's a good story, well told. From memory, Third Lanark's entire tactic at one point was "we're gonna score one more than you" which led to some epic full time results.
Yes! That 1960-61 league table (when they finished 3rd) backs this up - check out the goals for and goals against columns :D
WOW, you arent joking. Only 2 draws through the whole season. They were really playing each game in "do or die" mode!.
Is there ever a story of Tim’s that’s not well told?
Bagpipes for map men music. Love the crossover
1:53 The inclusion of the bagpipe version of "Clocks" was sheer genius!
and 5:55 with the Map Men song
And the ending with "Fix You"
Old hat! 😉 ua-cam.com/video/MbJQDzZveus/v-deo.html
@@SkaveRat Thank you! This was keeping me up all night!
Jk, but seriously I was wondering from where I know the tune. And Ive been watching Jay Foreman alot lately lol
Brilliant, bag pipe Coldplay
Yeah, that was great! 🙂
Bagpipes Mapmen theme!
Came here to say this 👍
According to a Board of Trade investigation on Third Lanark's downfall, it was revealed that players were paid late (in coins; not in banknotes), they had to make it to away matches on their own, hot water wasn't even available after matches, and every appointment in the club's management was made personally by Hiddleston. All this on top of the fact the corruption defrauded the club's lottery (they rarely paid a weekly prize of £200).
In July 1968, four former Third Lanark directors were found guilty of contravening the Companies Act 1948 and fined £100 each and Hiddleston...died the year before in November because of a heart attack in Blackpool.
When the end was looming players were paid in coins taken as gate admission payments at the turnstyles. Scottish League rules were that a new ball had to be provided by the home club for each game - so the best of the used ones were painted white.
I like it the way it is. It keeps some of the history, while being a place of green in the urban jungle.
There are actually quite a lot of parks near there, and throughout Glasgow. For somewhere that's got a fair amount of urban jungle, there's also plenty of green!
Hahaha Clocks bagpipes cover is amazing :D
I was surprised it actually worked. I once heard a different band play Clocks on bagpipes, and it was… less of a success, let's keep it at that.
All the fans: Say the line Tim!
Tim, wearily: ... but we're not here to see any of that!
All the fans: Hooray!
Ha! So I wasn't the only one thinking exactly the same :)
It's pretty cool to see what is left of the old stadium and how it kinda blends in with nature now. It still, in it's own way, look nice and it's great that there are still some people going there to use it and those who would still take care of it.
Love Clocks on the bagpipes! Great piece of history. Thanks.
5:55 I laughed out loud and scared the cat. The bagpipe coldplay was great, but this was even better. I didn't catch on until the last note was done.
I love your "and of course, we're not here to see any of that" catchphrase. Was waiting for it during the intro lol.
We have something like this in our city, the Edmund Szyc Stadium in Poznan, Poland, which could hold up to 60 thousand people, but now sits overgrown and derelict, pretty much in the center of the city (well not in the *literal* center but very close to it), with no plans for it in a foreseeable future due to dispute between the city authorities and the landowners. As a fun fact, it hosted Polish national football team 10 times, and the last match they played, in 1980, was against Scotland, with Zbigniew Boniek scoring a winning goal for Poland.
Didn't know this was there until you said. I watched Lech Poznan a few years back in a disappointing Europa League qualifier - great stadium, complete with an old steam loco outside (take note, Tim).
Release goats into it.
Po Polsku 🇵🇱
Polska to piękny kraj. Jej stolica Warszawa też jest piękna, nie trzeba dodawać, jak wspaniały jest język polski. Czego tu nie lubić w Polsce?
In English 🇬🇧 🇺🇸
Poland is a beautiful country. It’s capital city Warsaw is beautiful too, needless to say how awesome the Polish language is. What is there not to like about Poland?
I stumbled across this when walking around Poznan last year. Stunning place and amazing for photographs and to soak up the best (and the worst) of its history. Fascinating place!
Remember Boniek well.
2:02 “Clocks” played on bagpipes… chef’s kiss 👌🏼
ok clocks on bagpipes... haha was not prepared for that! love it!
"We're heading four stops south to a station called Mount Florida"
"overgrown with trees and weeds and general rubbish"
*ah, much like the actual state of Florida...minus the mountain part.*
Both Coldplay's Clocks AND the Map Men theme song on bagpipes...well played. As much as I love the regular version of Clocks, it actually sounds better on bagpipes
I was at the Coldplay concert so I'm going to say I was an extra in this. Really interesting video, also for pedantry reasons Queens Park no longer play at Hampden, they will play at Lesser Hampden. The small pitch that you can see to the side of the stadium, but it isn't ready yet so I think they are playing somewhere else entirely currently.
They are currently groundsharing with Stenhousemuir.
My understanding is that Queens Park have played at Lesser Hampden for a long time - since at least the 80s?
@@rogink No, they were playing in the main stadium until just a few years ago when they went professional and the SFA bought it from them. The SFA were leasing it until that point. As part of the deal, Lesser Hampden was to be redeveloped as the home of QPFC. As someone else said, they are groundsharing with Stenhousemuir in the meantime. I live nearby, and it was looking almost finished just a few weeks ago.
Crazy that a team with an average attendance in the hundreds were playing in a 50k seater stadium.
@@froggystyle642 QP made a very tidy income from Hampden renting it out for major games, concerts etc. but it was odds on the SFA wanted them out of the way eventually.
@@froggystyle642 Nothing sillier than watching a game of football in a EUFA 5-star stadium with only 400 or so others in it. It was one of those bucket list items
O my g... I know I should pay attention to the music in Tim's video, but the Scottish version of The Map man did come by a surprise.. Well done
Glad I'm not the only one to notice... He is cheeky sneaking that in
Class to see you up here in Scotland. Jimmy Johnstone was a Celtic player who was part of the Lisbon Lions, when Celtic won the European Cup in 1967. The first British team to do so and the only Scottish team. Great video, questionable Scottish accent though ha.
Even as a Rangers fan, Jimmy and the Lisbon Lions were an incredible team of talented players.
I grew up near here and went to the school across the road, Holyrood Secondary. We used Cathkin for PE, especially for rugby and cross-country running, up and round the terraces. It'll always have a special place in my heart and I often pass through on my way to a game at its younger sibling, Hampden Park III. Your video really did justice to the place, though not so much the accent...
hoots mon
and a few fights after school in it too! I remember it before the cop shop - when that was the old Holyrood annex - and across the road you had the 24 hour van and not the Asda!
@@thenewvoice8 I said, hoots mon
@@thenewvoice8 Someone would say, "You're deid at 4" and we'd all traipse up to Cathkin to witness the fight. Usually neither putative pugilist would turn up, of course. Shitebags.
Okay that bagpipe coldplay... too good...
The music when you entered the stadium was amazing!!
I went there back in May. There was a youth club running a training session on the pitch. It's an incredible place to have a wonder around. Hampden Park is 5 minutes away too.
That music choices… ı watched the whole video with a huge smile 😊
I think it's really cool that you talk about accessibility options of the place you go, and really appreciate that
I love it too. He's the only travel UA-camr I've come across who does this. It's what made me hit the subscribe button on the first video of his that I watched. Then I went through his list and put loads in my watch list and binge-watched them with my husband. And the rest, as they say, is history 😁.
@@pixeltheragdoll Nonstop Eurotrip is a train review channel which is also a type of travel channel and he always mentions and shows the accessibility of the train station and the train itself, including weather it's step free or requires a special ramp/lift.
The Map Men theme made me even more impressed by your ability to make humour
I laughed out loud when I heard "Clocks" on bagpipes. Great job with the music again!
Who knew there were so many appropriate Coldplay songs to describe an abandoned football stadium?
I moved down to London from Ayrshire in 1975. The English alway said two things without fail: 'Are you fae Glesgy?' in their best imitation of a Scottish accent and the obligatory 'Which team do you support?'. I loved to reply with 'Third Lanark' and it was joyful to see their minds struggling to digest that name - their grasp of Scottish football being as you might expect - but they could never bring themselves to admit that they didn't know who Third Lanark were, where they played or which division. They just replied with 'Ah' or simply changed the conversation. It never failed.
Don’t know much about the Coldplay tunes but I was delighted to hear Map Men, even though I think it was one ‘men’ short, and the Sports Report theme. Come to think of it, I spend so much more time trying to work out the tunes Tim reproduces in his videos than watching the video itself that I have to watch it several times.
I was fortunate enough to visit all three Hampden Parks recently, and there's just something... special about Cathkin Park, the way the stadium is almost clinging on to its very existence, against the onward march of nature - you can almost hear the crowds echoing through the ages.
I'm also so glad you mentioned the Jimmy Johnstone Academy because, as we were leaving, a chap asked what we were doing and, after explaining, asked in we wanted a wee look round the Academy. Now, to call it a shrine to Jimmy is an gross misjustice: think of it as a museum that also inspires, as they're doing the most amazing work to instil his playing ethos into young players, to the point where they wear all-white (instead of green) for important matches ONLY, because they want those matches to FEEL IMPORTANT, while holding all his memorabilia (including all the letters of commiseration after his death, from football leaders, world leaders - and Lorraine Kelly!)
I feel honoured to have seen inside the Academy, and wished them well in their endeavours.
My son who’s 15 now played for third Lanarks development team at Cathkin park up till a couple of years ago, they shared with the Jimmy Johnstone academy for a while. At that time they said there was a plan to bring back the Hi HI’s (club nickname) but I think it fell through. I stayed in the street right next to it when I was young so I grew up playing football on that pitch and my dad watched the original team as a boy too. It has a place in my heart. Good vid ❤
When you were in Wallonia earlier this summer, I was surprised you didn't talk about the citadel of Namur. They've got a (semi-)abandoned open-air theater on the grounds of the medieval castle!
What a wonderful video. Looked like the plot of a movie such as Field of Dreams.
Watched a cracking kickabout between Scottish and English fans there once before the main event at Hampden. It's an emotive place for sure.
Always a good day when you are notified of a new Tim Traveller video.
Yay it is my favourite UA-cam channel releasing a video !!
No wayyy! I never thought how much I would love a Scottish rendition of "Fix You" (my favourite Coldplay song). Pray to the UA-cam gods you don't get copyrighted 🙏😅
P.S. Is there a place where we can listen to your music? (Even if it's an incomplete song)
Quite a lot of it is on M. Traveller's Abandoned Rugs channel, but that has not been updated in a couple of years.
You might find Tim's other UA-cam channel, Abandoned Rugs, worth a watch/listen!
One can always listen to The Red Hot Chilli Pipers as an alternative, as well: ua-cam.com/video/Ic011fmcvpg/v-deo.html
I loved the Coldplay reference with the music!!
Just fabulous. Thanks for sharing Third Lanark with the world.
Couldn't agree more!
Well I’ve learned something else new, which was that Third Lanark never actually played in Lanark town itself. Third Lanark being a shortening of 3rd Lanarkshire Rifle Volunteers rather than a reference to the county town.
Quality research/video/narration as always! That exit-music.. Chef's Kiss 🤌!
Edit: Also; please always keep that (pre-gimble) walk-sway in the videos, by now that's your signature :)
A great wee video about a wonderful wee place. Thanks for coming to Scotland, Tim, I look forward to hearing more interesting stories about my country.
I took my wife and daughter there a few years back just to say we had been . A very eerie atmosphere about the place . Great video and thanks for taking the time to tell the story of Scotland’s lost team .
5:54 the way you subtly play their theme is genius
Absolutely loved the @mapmen reference in bagpipes
The fact that it reminds me of Roman ruins adds to the atmosphere!
I lived nearby for 7 years and had no idea about its history. I used it countless of times for running practice. The metal bars on the stands are great for stretching.
This park also plays host to one of very few remaining cycle speedway tracks. When I lived nearby 9 or so years ago I'd regularly see an old fella well into his 70s or 80s maintaining the track. I hope he and it are still going! Chic McKay was his name I think!
There is also Lesser Hampden where Queens Park now play. Thanks Tim.
When bagpipe Clocks started playing around 2:00, I thought that was cool. Then when you worked Trouble and Fix You in, I felt bad that all I can do is like the video and there isn't some super-like or multi-like system on UA-cam to show my true vociferous appreciation for that gag.
The bagpipe Coldplay background music was a nice touch.
Adding coldplay songs to the video is a touch of genius haha. Especially clocks with bagpipes
Hi Tim, is nice you keep finding those nuggets and presenting those with humour.
Thank you, Tim. Very entertaining and informative.
Excellent Tim, I didnt know any of this. I'll even forgive the accent as you added all sorts of amusing bits.
the bagpipe coldplay montage was genius
Amazing video! A perfect mix of interesting history, brilliant storytelling, cozy 'on location' British urban stuff, and of course your wonderful comedy and great music. Excellent job!
This is probably the most interested I've ever been in football, and I think that says a lot about how great both your video style and choice of subject are. Kudos to you Tim!
This place is just amazing! Got to hand it to you Tim traveler, you have done it again with an episode that is just amazing! :)
You never disappoint, Tim! Thanks for another informative eye opener.
Great video Tim! What a fascinating history that old place has.
Thanks for making this!
I greatly appreciate how well done and apropos your music always is.
After watching this video, wouldn't mind heading over there now, great Video Tim 👍
that's genuinely beautiful
Love the information that your channel provides always educational in a bizarre way 😂💕
Well done as always Tim, thank you.
Absolutely love your videos Tim, they just seem to get better and better! And I have to agree with others about Coldplay and bagpipes, a master stroke!
This is one of your coolest videos. Love them all but this is great.
Great video on one of Glasgow's (many) hidden treasures - thank you Tim! :)
First time seeing one of your videos. Very enjoyable and now a subscriber.
I played on this park only a few months back very good grass park to play on and you get that feeling when you shout the echo is amazing
An excellent report. Great stuff.
Right in the feels every time. Great story telling.
You have an amazing talent for telling a somewhat interesting story into something totally fascinating! Brilliant works
Outstanding video , as always!
What a cool place, and to see it still being used by some kid's teams is great!
I've never been a football fan in any way, but this was fascinating! Especially liked the animated team discussion, chuckled when they said about an Englishman trying to do a Scottish accent!
Keep these wonderful videos coming, my man! ;-)
Another great entertaining, informative story. Thanks Tim.
The music choices in this video are some of the best I’ve ever heard! 10/10
I love your attention to detail with the music in your videos
As a history buff, football fan, Scotland lover and (former) bagpipe player this video amazed and educated me in so many ways. Thank you!!
Should you ever visit Germany's Ruhr district, you might want to visit three historic stadiums: Two of them belonging to FC Schalke 04, namely Glückaufkampfbahn and Parkstadion, and Rote Erde Stadion belonging to Borussia Dortmund. All three of them are still used by their respective clubs either as training pitches or for occasional amateur or youth matches, albeit in varying state of preservation. The Grand Stand of Glückaufkampfbahn is actually classified as a protected monument.
Additionally, you can look at what remains of the Castrop-Rauxel horse race track. This started out as the private leisure ground of William Thomas Mulvany, an anglo-irish technician and buisnessman who earned a fortune here with coal mining around the 1860s. His Irish blood yearned for a british style horse race track, so he just build one beside his house. Racing ceased around 1965. Not much is still visible today, but the man himself was a very colourful character and will make a good story. F. ex. he named his three coal mines Hibernia, Shamrock and Erin, all referring to his home island. He was such an important figure in the region that the city of Herne until 1974 had a shamrock (clover leaf) on its coat of arms, pointing to the coal mine that catapulted a sleepy country town into the modern age.
Thank you Ralf, and cheers for all the tips! I'll add those to my list next time I'm in the Ruhr region...
@@TheTimTraveller Always a pleasure. Don't hestitate to contact me for some background info.
This grabbed me instantly - More Please! - FAB video is excellently filmed and narrated. A super job!
Thanks Tim, This video was excellent! 🙆
I live only a stones throw away, and I never knew it was even there, and with all that history too!! Wow!
Can't wait to explore with the family, and pass on your extensive knowledge on this one! 😉
Hi - I came across your channel by chance and am slowly going through your videos with not a little enjoyment. You've got the sort of humour that I can chuckle at.
Not the first video I've seen on this topic but by far the best. Thank you.
You just did one fascinating video. And I don't even play sports! Great job. It was intriguing.
Excellent. Thoroughly enjoyed that, well put together video and the music!
Yes I've gotten my weekly installment of "The Tim Traveler" Yes now life is now livable! 🤠👍
As always, great job on the custom musical soundtrack!
Great video, thanks for your work.
Finally, it's my turn to see you go somewhere only a few minutes from where I live that I had no idea about! Great video, as ever, and maybe I'll have a look round Cathkin Park next time I'm in Mount Florida.