Well due to priest wielding the light aswell as void and fel being formed from a clash of the two wouldent priests also have that same understanding you gave locks credit for over the priests? Also there are levels and degrees to corruption and I believe that the level locks tap into regarding the void is not comparable to the degree of wielding aswell as embraceming a priest has which is corruption and mindbending to a different degree. There could be a reason most locks chose to wield fel which presented itself later instead of void which was already present and appearantly requiring such mental fortitude making those same pre-lock magic users avoid it. Another point is the fear the biggest fel user which is Sargeras has when it comes to the void wanting to always destroy anything to do with void/shadow and always chooses to destroy it when the development of the power is in a juvenile state confirming the fear of it being able to overwhelm even more. At the end of the day any force is able to beat the other in some way, depending on the wielder ofcourse. Only thing is that due to the mental fortitude that is needed to counter the insanity inducing void I believe it makes the wielder superior because there is more control over the mind which in turn offers more control over matter. Aside that I see fel more as corruption/draining/sacrificing of the users plus others life source or energy rather than corruption of the mind which requires a certain mental fortitude. A fortitude which has high chances of making the user more devloped, cunning and having the ability to exploit the volatility of both magics aswell as minds within the battle but not before the destructive powers of fel blasts the priest to smithereens ofcourse which has quite the high chance of doing so. I just love speculating about the lore and this is me saying these are a few aspects which add a interesting dimension to the ordeal. I always explore these things in my mind after watching your vids because you always bring a very interesting point of view to the table. I really really like your videos hehe. Have a nice day :)
This is interesting because warlocks use fel and demons and the fel and demons work for the void. The void is the opposite of light. They are constantly at battle. So if demons and fel work for the void that means by extension the warlock works for the shadow priest. I just don’t see a byproduct beating the main source
Oof, now this is a tough match, both are extremely deadly in their own right. A warlock wreaking havoc with raw chaos magic, or a priest who can literally destroy one's mind. I'd still lean towards shadow priests, the power they wield makes them the masters of mind, body and spirit, being incredibly disciplined, where as warlocks are always not, they are chaotic, making them very easy to exploit, find a weakness, If the priest can get into the warlock's head...it's pretty much game over.
“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” I think Locks dabbling in so many forms of magic makes it so that they have a lower ceiling of power compared to the SP.
But that's not warlocks. Warlocks are the ma that practices 100 kicks 1000 times. Sure nowhere near the power of that one kick but still strong as anything and a wide toolkit. If you can get around that 1 kick the master is useless. The warlock still has 99 kicks they are pretty respectable at.
I'd agree that the Average warlock is stronger than the average shadow priest. I think however the strongest shadow priests are stronger than the strongest warlocks.
My reason for this was touched on in the video. The power of void seems to have its own cosmic source where as fel seems to just be a result of void residue mixing with light residue. A shadow priest drawing from the source of the void would be far more powerful than any warlock could hope to dream.
@dylanfitzpatrick9423 yea we have never really had any powerful shadowpriest that are relevant in the lore the way that Gul'dan, illidan, arthas, uther have been so it's hard to have a meter to compare when shadowpriests don't really have a cool wow figure to go yea that guy he's why I play this class
While the strongest Warlocks are quite terrifying, I'm not convinced your average Lock is more powerful, than an average Shadow Priest. It really comes down to what specific forces and powers they have access to.
I would say nothing can beat warlock if they get to start. But if a shadow priest would open with void (mind) magic to a warlock that are already chaotic and dont have the great mentality as a shadow priest they would loose just my opinion
Something to bring up here: Warlocks are also banishers. A cunning warlock would wait the shadow priest to turn into shadow or "void" form and then banish them from the physical plane, as an aberration. Banishing I feel is an important power of the warlock, that gets heavily overlooked. Any being summoned, can be sent back. Banished. A defensive warlock should not be cast-a-side.
They can banish only demons! Void is not from demon force, it is destruction pannel, void is from shadow the opposite of light.... destruction is opposite of order = earth.
@@vekokrava1423 Not true, they can banish more than demons, also your understanding of WoW cosmology is skewed. Arcane is Order, not Earth. Warlocks have the power to banish aberrations, demons, elementals and more.
Warlock magic has a lot of focus on the willpower and mental fortitude to command and control demons / the chaotic fel energy. It really takes some next level skills to literally wrestle power from a god and steal his army from him to use against them. But the only time Medihv / sargeras infiltrated Gul’Dans mind it was only briefly to write down instructions. Other than that nobody in the Burning Legion infiltrates another Warlocks Mind despite them being the original class to flip The Legion the bird.
I play both these Classes and player skill plus gear means everything in this matchup, on the one hand i made it to Lt General in vanilla WoW in regular BG's on my Warlock which was 2nd highest PVP Title then in existence , with General being the highest. But after i retired her i played my Shadow Priest in BG's and used to regularly chew Warlocks up and spit them out, but that is probably because i knew what they would do before they even did it from having played one.,and had the counter already selected.
I think this: Paladin vs death knight: more often than not the death knight will win Shaman vs druid: the Druid pretty easily beats the shaman, due to their power level of nature being higher Warrior vs rogue: Warriors, with their skill and heavy armor, the rogues invisibility and poison is a little useless there. And saurfang killed a rogue with his bare hands.
@@sterncrag2033 I disagree on the Shaman vs Druid response. I think they have equal power to each other when it comes to nature magic, they just do things differently. Druids focus on the living spirits of nature such as wisps, treants, dryads, beasts, etc. Shamans focus on the nonliving spirits of nature such as the dead and the elementals. They're 2 halves of the same coin.
@@marcoscorpas2752 true, but a shaman can very rarely go all out. Thrall, possibly the strongest shaman ever lost his power afflter going all out against Garrosh in 2 mins. Malfurion takes out a whole squadron of horde in a few seconds, suffocating one in roots, like its nothing. Druids have a much higher power cap than shaman in my opinion
@@sterncrag2033 the player character has the 4 elemental lords on his side. Thrall is a different story. Theoretically speaking a shaman could flood the world, cause every volcano to erupt, hurricanes, earthquakes. What is a bear going to do to a mountain? What is a bird going to do against a hurricane? How will treants stop a volcano? What is aquatic form going to do against the ocean?
@@marcoscorpas2752 a shaman absolutely couldn't do that. They are too restricted, a shaman is at the mercy of the elements. The moment it goes too far, it gets its powers stripped
While that may be true, I think it's a lot more fun to imagine that they're "unknown" or "unexplored". They could be so much more powerful than we're even aware of, given how secretive they are; as well as the fact that most normal people aren't even capable of understanding exactly what they do, due to the whole insanity thing. Just my perspective on it!
Wasn't the whole purpose of the burning crusade to destroy all worlds so that the Void Lords could not reach the worlds first and corrupt them? That's what Sargeras was so scared of, the Void Lords?
To say a warlock that taps into the void can counter to the void feels like you're saying the only thing to be beat a shadow priest is another shadow priest.
Wasn't The Vindicar powered by holy light? Remember how destructive was the orbital strike from it? That giant holy (laser) beam got through that legion blast door like a knife through butter.
I think all the magical realms are probably balanced in some way. They each take up their own dimension or whatever, no reason to think one is better really. Just because chaos is a child of void doesn’t mean it’s weaker.
Lastly, Azshara was saved by the void while her legion masters were still trying to power a portal that was only out there in the first place because of a wound to the planet caused by Ysharj and old god. Void got here first and beats fel any day.
the problem with this is that we know the extent of the fel, we have not even seen a fraction of the extent of the void, so its an impossible call to make, plus with seeing more and more since this video was made, i think the tables have turned, we have seen the void capable of opening up portals and mass teleportation with zero effort beyond the scope of other forms of magic have shown capabilities for, so its quite possible for the shadow priest to just open up a void portal on the warlock and teleport them into space where they suffocate to death, the warlock could attempt to do the same, however a warlock takes time to perform a long ritual they need help with in order to perform it to do the same. A mage might be able to also do this to a shadow priest, but then they can just teleport back, if the use of teleporting is weaponized then the warlock would instantly move to the very bottom of the teleport capable classes.
I mean the strongest warlocks can destroy planets and our characters in dragonflight can summon pitlords by ourself sooooo No contest Not to mention felhunters in the lore can pretty thoroughly neutralize most magic anyway so shields and heals would be mitigated
Unfortunately raw power doesn't determine the victor in this case, Gul'dan despite his raw power, was still easily subdued in the past. Not to mention that a knife in the back will kill them just as easily. Fact is, warlocks are only as strong as their pacts with demons that grant em their power, it's why their practically powerless without the said pacts. Player warlocks are just special for gameplay reasons.
@@Kristers_K no they are not, i think you mix up wow with dnd here. wow warlocks are not much diffrent from mages in how they learn and control magic its just fel and void instead of arcane.
Also, denizens of Azeroth have beaten the legions demons and lords back countless times but are still reeling from the old gods infestation with a true void invasion yet to come. Void manages to change the entire ecology of a planet with the gift of flesh. You tell me which force is stronger in the cosmos.
It really depends on the gear and the player. Like i play both ,but i kinda enjoyed more shadow priest. I mean here wasn't mentioned the healing spells of the shadow priest. Like in pvp i just shield myself and the meleee guys, drop the fear on, put a healing on the tank and just go damn fuck kill everything in my way. In other words Shadow priest can combine discipline priest small buffy shit and to do tons of damage with big dark shit. But here is the catch- you have to know the timing of your abilities and when to use what. Also if you going to help the healer in pvp you have to monitor you mana all the time. It took me few years to master shadow priest and honestly it was hard,but shadow priest can take any clasa out. For the warlocks , ive played warlock since 2009. Warlocks can literally just inflict huge damage and to do massive crow control with proper use of minions and fear and silence. But honestly warlock without a good melee guy in team pvp will not do shit, because casting time too long, health bar to low, also no healing besides stones and life drain. Which against a enemy who can absorb damage like shadow priest is not a good position. But still warlock are also way easier to play than shadow priest and leveling also is better. Also warlocks do a better job again multiple enemies than a shadow priest.
Thanks for your comment. I started playing last year as a warlock. I’ve been having a hard time deciding to either keep playing with my warlock or main the shadowpriest. I’ve been progressing the war within campaign with both of them 😂
I don’t think you can really pick one as the winner tbh. Imo the realms they draw power from are shown to be both very power and it entirely comes down to the individuals involved in the match. It’s not like warlocks are immune to void magic, if anything they have shown time and time again they argue the MOST corruptable class, so shouldn’t void mind attack be extra good against your average lock? In the end I don’t think you can call it, it all depends on the individuals involved and their specific strengths and weaknesses.
Haven't we had more mates go nucking futz in lore than warlocks? I mea. Warlocks basically have KJ,GD, and Archi, and maybe nerzhul though most of his warlock magic was just making portals with a staff. Mages have Azshara, KT, Medivh, Malygos, Kaelthas, and debatable the warlocks mentioned above as well with the exception of the orc bois. Mages are statistically more corruptible than anyone else in wow and cause more of our problems. Even the orc invasion of azeroth wasn't a warlock thing despite the demons. It was a mage/warlock team. The sundering was all on a mage. Don't fall for the propaganda. Outsides of a handful of planetbusting scaled warlocks they aren't responsible for much more than mild irritation and making people uneasy. Mages fuck shit up.
u have to put one thing into prespective yes "lore wise, warlocks could with time become shadow priests but remember shadow priests are also priests. they can still use their priest abilities and light it's an amazing wepon against fel. they can heal and protect themselves.
Eh I dunno, i always thought of it as warlocks being jack of all trades in dark magic, but master of none. While the shadow priests literally BECOME void, thats how well versed they are. So to me theyre just an upgrade of sorts. And yeah warlocks wield fel, but thats not any sort of counter to void at all. But its not like there are major shadow priest characters in the lore like warlocks have gul'dan and a number of others, so Im sure someone will counter me with that.
Controlling and blasting the minds of people seems like a more effective way of doing things. Nobody will blame the priest when a dude jumps off a cliff. Willingly of course.
Years ago I would’ve said warlock easily , but ever since blizz changed the lore a little and made shadow priest synonymous with the void things have changed . Lord wise it’s shadow priest that are stronger now
Actually, I think that the fel contains all types of magic and not just light and void. When you are silenced on chaos bolt you are silenced on all magic schools.
Would had been nice as nemo warlock to have maybe a glyph that summons random demons instead of imps and actually make u feel stronger...as for shadow priest would had been sick to be able to summon from the void elementals or tentacles and so on...you know things that make you feel cool...egh
Spriest pvp is literally disabling the other person by silence or fear or cc before you get silenced or feared or cc. Whoever draws first depends entirely on weather a spriest kit will be viable or not. I am an diehard spriest and can win most 1v1 against any class but warlocks are brutal and spamming dispel or bouncing ccs is annoying. Also I don’t play retail so the whole voidform burst thing that you guys have is not something I am familiar with lol.
I don't think warlocks themselves could win against pretty much any of the other classes. Yet this is not what they try to aim for anyways. Warlocks summon demons preferably as powerful as possible like Gul'dan summoning Archimonde. As an example Illidan could beat Gul'dan alone for sure but Gul'dan would definitely turn the fight into his favor by summoning ancient demons like Mannoroth, Archimonde, Kiljaeden, etc Therefore I think the average shadow priest wins against your average warlock as long as no powerful demon decides to side with the warlock
Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden are both warlocks and not demons per say, if you put either of those two up against Illidan even in a physical fight both of them outmatch him by such a huge margin its not even close, gul'dan is considered near the top of upper echelon of warlocks but he was just a minion/pawn to Archimonde, even after taking the skull of Gul'Dan Illidan was still afraid of Kill'Jaeden despite the big power up he got from it. Archimonde displayed huge physical prowess by fighting Malorne bare handed and snapping his neck, besides that comparison, fel magic is extremely destructive and unless the caster is very unskilled as compared to the warrior/paladin/rogue he is fighting there is little those classes can do even without the warlock summoning demons. Besides as mentioned in the video, warlocks dabble both in fel and void more so whichever one will give them more power is the choice, there isn't any loyalty attached. This essentially makes the shadow priests whole shtick not really effective while the warlock still has fel to call upon which the shadow priest has no understanding of. The warlock class itself gives everything for power and stops at nothing to get more.
completely wrong about warlock killing a priest. apart from the healing and shields and dispells a s-priest has & disperse a shadow priest will take 50% of ur HP off in a 4 sec silence XD
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Warlock Magics: Fel, Shadow/Void, Death/necromancy, also many types of other dark magic like curses etc. Shadow priest magic: Shadow/Void, maybe necromancy? Synopsis: While I don’t agree with Doron, saying Void is stronger then Fel. Considering Fel is literally more chaotic and destructive by nature, also by the way Fel was created and also the fact that Fel literally destroys people’s existence’s and uses their souls as fuel. While void is more subversive and entropic in nature, both strong but in different ways. But I think a warlock would probably win in most cases considering they know more and they are not consistently fighting to keep them going mad. Warlocks embrace chaos
It's not Gul'dan. Gul'dan may be the strongest Azeroth's warlock, but the strongest warlocks lorewise are Archimonde/KJ so far, if you exculde Sargeras for the equation.
@@Stefanuslol of course I'm talking about on azeroth. Those godlike semi-immortal being are excluded because there's no godlike being outside of azeroth who have the title of shadow priest.
The way I see it, your average Warlock would beat your average Shadow Priest in a fight because Fel Magic makes you increase in power much more rapidly, whereas Void Magic is something you have to improve much more with over time.
Fel/chaos is the strongest magic of all. it is an ultimate multischool magic type that is the conglomerate of all magic that exist into one, hence chaos. This explains why when interrupted on chaos bolt you are locked from all magic schools there are for the duration of the spell lock. Fel magic = Arcane, Fire, Frost, Nature, Shadow, (Holy, Physical) The second strongest multischool magic type is Cosmic magic = Arcane, Holy, Nature, Shadow Some other multischool magic types are: Astral (Arcane, Nature), Divine (Arcane, Holy), Elemental (Fire, Frost, Nature), Twilight (Holy, Shadow) etc. According to this Doron's confusing Twilight and Fel/Chaos magic, by referring to Fel as the Shadow and Light combined, when this is actually a Twilight magic (a type of magic which priests command lore-wise, even though it's not in the game, at least not available as a playable character). Additionally I see a lot of confusion when referring to void and shadow. Void is more a plain of existence (like the twisting nether) and not a magic type per se, but somewhere along the line they became synonymous. SOURCE: wowpedia, wc3 and wow in-game lore and mechanics.
Bro what? Fel is maybe the most destructive power, but not the most powerful one. Idk where did u get that "Fel magic = Arcane, Fire, Frost, Nature, Shadow...", that's straight up false, fel and arcane are both made of light and void energy, just fel is disorder and arcane is order. They are opposites, but the same thing in some way. Fel isn't multischool of magic, it's only 1 magic made out of 2 components, just like H2O= H2+O2.
@@Kole2501 he was talking about the magic damage in game the spells that do fel damage actually do everything except holy and physical that's an in game mechanic but lorewise the fel is just chaos and the opposite of order
Shadow is similar in nature to light. Since the class attacks the mind of the opponent, they added this hint of Jungian psychoanalysis to the class. I think it fits well and has a deep metaphorical implication. The inner struggle between good and evil. The adversarial existence of man. Self being the greatest opponent to contend with. I like it.
Not that hard tbh. You said it yourself in the video. Power level being equal, spriests are specialists with a narrow but powerful toolkit in lore. Warlocks have a very broad range of powers, natively tapping into 3 different cosmic forces and willing to embrace the other 3 if/as needed. Warlocks understand, though cannot utilize, the majority of spriest power. Spriests understand a limited subset of warlock power. Power level being equal the warlock wins more often than not and handily.
Just to be a nerd and have fun with an idea : What if when it comes to Mortals , Fel is more powerful. Here me out. Life itself was created out of Void and shadow.......Just like Fel. So mortal beings could never "fully" embrace Void since we are not born of the void ...where as Life and Fel both coming from this clash of cosmic forces....Maybe mortals can harness fel better than we ever could the void.
Brah this is crap shadow priests wiled the void brah the void is waaaaay more powerful then the fell or the burning legion we are talking about the old gods not some titan that has demons and where did warlocks wield void energy please show ? Also shadow priests are only making dmg i dont undestand what do you mean like the light can easy destory fell void can destroy light like the fight is beatween light and void fell isnt even in the match brah
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Well due to priest wielding the light aswell as void and fel being formed from a clash of the two wouldent priests also have that same understanding you gave locks credit for over the priests? Also there are levels and degrees to corruption and I believe that the level locks tap into regarding the void is not comparable to the degree of wielding aswell as embraceming a priest has which is corruption and mindbending to a different degree. There could be a reason most locks chose to wield fel which presented itself later instead of void which was already present and appearantly requiring such mental fortitude making those same pre-lock magic users avoid it. Another point is the fear the biggest fel user which is Sargeras has when it comes to the void wanting to always destroy anything to do with void/shadow and always chooses to destroy it when the development of the power is in a juvenile state confirming the fear of it being able to overwhelm even more. At the end of the day any force is able to beat the other in some way, depending on the wielder ofcourse. Only thing is that due to the mental fortitude that is needed to counter the insanity inducing void I believe it makes the wielder superior because there is more control over the mind which in turn offers more control over matter. Aside that I see fel more as corruption/draining/sacrificing of the users plus others life source or energy rather than corruption of the mind which requires a certain mental fortitude. A fortitude which has high chances of making the user more devloped, cunning and having the ability to exploit the volatility of both magics aswell as minds within the battle but not before the destructive powers of fel blasts the priest to smithereens ofcourse which has quite the high chance of doing so. I just love speculating about the lore and this is me saying these are a few aspects which add a interesting dimension to the ordeal. I always explore these things in my mind after watching your vids because you always bring a very interesting point of view to the table. I really really like your videos hehe. Have a nice day :)
Other casters have rulebooks on what not to do. Warlocks use them as to do lists.
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So goddamn True!
Like what? Summoning demoness and succubus and having fun time? 😂
as do shadow priests, but they also corrupt their enemies to do the very same thing to themselves.
This is interesting because warlocks use fel and demons and the fel and demons work for the void. The void is the opposite of light. They are constantly at battle. So if demons and fel work for the void that means by extension the warlock works for the shadow priest. I just don’t see a byproduct beating the main source
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Oof, now this is a tough match, both are extremely deadly in their own right. A warlock wreaking havoc with raw chaos magic, or a priest who can literally destroy one's mind. I'd still lean towards shadow priests, the power they wield makes them the masters of mind, body and spirit, being incredibly disciplined, where as warlocks are always not, they are chaotic, making them very easy to exploit, find a weakness, If the priest can get into the warlock's head...it's pretty much game over.
@@bobothehippo warlocks also make “pacts” to gain lol their power.
Warlocks can burn down entire cities or plague them killing everyone though. A shadow priest could only drive the population insane.
“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.”
I think Locks dabbling in so many forms of magic makes it so that they have a lower ceiling of power compared to the SP.
But that's not warlocks.
Warlocks are the ma that practices 100 kicks 1000 times. Sure nowhere near the power of that one kick but still strong as anything and a wide toolkit. If you can get around that 1 kick the master is useless. The warlock still has 99 kicks they are pretty respectable at.
i dont think this analogy really works with magic, a "field" were knowledge (of any sort) is very important.
I'd agree that the Average warlock is stronger than the average shadow priest. I think however the strongest shadow priests are stronger than the strongest warlocks.
My reason for this was touched on in the video. The power of void seems to have its own cosmic source where as fel seems to just be a result of void residue mixing with light residue. A shadow priest drawing from the source of the void would be far more powerful than any warlock could hope to dream.
@dylanfitzpatrick9423 yea we have never really had any powerful shadowpriest that are relevant in the lore the way that Gul'dan, illidan, arthas, uther have been so it's hard to have a meter to compare when shadowpriests don't really have a cool wow figure to go yea that guy he's why I play this class
Back then, you had reach level 40 to gain shadow form. Seeing one made me want to play a priest.
Going with Priest. Removing buffs and debuffs, shields, dispersion and selfhealing is a pretty strong defense.
@@bobothehippo what if spriest silences warlock before they summon any demons 😂
@@corruption3749 or just make them walk off a cliff, like we do in bgs.
@@bobothehippo warlock will just send felhunter follow with relguarden or doomguard
and yet u can be bonked and silenced by a Dk
While the strongest Warlocks are quite terrifying, I'm not convinced your average Lock is more powerful, than an average Shadow Priest. It really comes down to what specific forces and powers they have access to.
idk, I havnt seen too many spriest knock out a lot, locks are usually kings of casters.
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I would say nothing can beat warlock if they get to start. But if a shadow priest would open with void (mind) magic to a warlock that are already chaotic and dont have the great mentality as a shadow priest they would loose just my opinion
If you think about it, a warlock is just pulling aliens from where they are. Warlocks are abducting aliens for their own uses.
Something to bring up here: Warlocks are also banishers. A cunning warlock would wait the shadow priest to turn into shadow or "void" form and then banish them from the physical plane, as an aberration. Banishing I feel is an important power of the warlock, that gets heavily overlooked. Any being summoned, can be sent back. Banished. A defensive warlock should not be cast-a-side.
They can banish only demons! Void is not from demon force, it is destruction pannel, void is from shadow the opposite of light.... destruction is opposite of order = earth.
@@vekokrava1423 Not true, they can banish more than demons, also your understanding of WoW cosmology is skewed. Arcane is Order, not Earth. Warlocks have the power to banish aberrations, demons, elementals and more.
@@christianstout6390 Wouldn't want to suddenly forget how to banish at that crucial moment...
Warlock magic has a lot of focus on the willpower and mental fortitude to command and control demons / the chaotic fel energy. It really takes some next level skills to literally wrestle power from a god and steal his army from him to use against them. But the only time Medihv / sargeras infiltrated Gul’Dans mind it was only briefly to write down instructions. Other than that nobody in the Burning Legion infiltrates another Warlocks Mind despite them being the original class to flip The Legion the bird.
I play both these Classes and player skill plus gear means everything in this matchup, on the one hand i made it to Lt General in vanilla WoW in regular BG's on my Warlock which was 2nd highest PVP Title then in existence , with General being the highest. But after i retired her i played my Shadow Priest in BG's and used to regularly chew Warlocks up and spit them out, but that is probably because i knew what they would do before they even did it from having played one.,and had the counter already selected.
Hope you do more versus videos. Next do Paladin vs Death Knight, Shaman vs Druid, Warrior vs Rogue, etc.
I think this:
Paladin vs death knight: more often than not the death knight will win
Shaman vs druid: the Druid pretty easily beats the shaman, due to their power level of nature being higher
Warrior vs rogue:
Warriors, with their skill and heavy armor, the rogues invisibility and poison is a little useless there. And saurfang killed a rogue with his bare hands.
@@sterncrag2033 I disagree on the Shaman vs Druid response. I think they have equal power to each other when it comes to nature magic, they just do things differently. Druids focus on the living spirits of nature such as wisps, treants, dryads, beasts, etc. Shamans focus on the nonliving spirits of nature such as the dead and the elementals. They're 2 halves of the same coin.
@@marcoscorpas2752 true, but a shaman can very rarely go all out. Thrall, possibly the strongest shaman ever lost his power afflter going all out against Garrosh in 2 mins.
Malfurion takes out a whole squadron of horde in a few seconds, suffocating one in roots, like its nothing.
Druids have a much higher power cap than shaman in my opinion
@@sterncrag2033 the player character has the 4 elemental lords on his side. Thrall is a different story. Theoretically speaking a shaman could flood the world, cause every volcano to erupt, hurricanes, earthquakes. What is a bear going to do to a mountain? What is a bird going to do against a hurricane? How will treants stop a volcano? What is aquatic form going to do against the ocean?
@@marcoscorpas2752 a shaman absolutely couldn't do that. They are too restricted, a shaman is at the mercy of the elements. The moment it goes too far, it gets its powers stripped
Shadow priests are kinda forgotten lorewise
While that may be true, I think it's a lot more fun to imagine that they're "unknown" or "unexplored". They could be so much more powerful than we're even aware of, given how secretive they are; as well as the fact that most normal people aren't even capable of understanding exactly what they do, due to the whole insanity thing. Just my perspective on it!
@@Meowfy I hope so, but knowing Blizzard's writing, that's probably not the case lol.
Shadow priest is my main
@@Meowfy yeah, a shadowpriest could be a cool villain finally, that we have not seen since Arthas
Wasn't the whole purpose of the burning crusade to destroy all worlds so that the Void Lords could not reach the worlds first and corrupt them?
That's what Sargeras was so scared of, the Void Lords?
"Why are playing a Shadow Priest? Just roll a Warlock, noob!"
To say a warlock that taps into the void can counter to the void feels like you're saying the only thing to be beat a shadow priest is another shadow priest.
Wasn't The Vindicar powered by holy light? Remember how destructive was the orbital strike from it? That giant holy (laser) beam got through that legion blast door like a knife through butter.
I think all the magical realms are probably balanced in some way. They each take up their own dimension or whatever, no reason to think one is better really. Just because chaos is a child of void doesn’t mean it’s weaker.
I feel like Warlocks requiring a powerful will is a hard counter to a lot of Shadow Priest's mental attacks, which are a core part of their arsenal
Doron do you have any idea how long I’ve waited for this video thank you
Lastly, Azshara was saved by the void while her legion masters were still trying to power a portal that was only out there in the first place because of a wound to the planet caused by Ysharj and old god. Void got here first and beats fel any day.
the problem with this is that we know the extent of the fel, we have not even seen a fraction of the extent of the void, so its an impossible call to make, plus with seeing more and more since this video was made, i think the tables have turned, we have seen the void capable of opening up portals and mass teleportation with zero effort beyond the scope of other forms of magic have shown capabilities for, so its quite possible for the shadow priest to just open up a void portal on the warlock and teleport them into space where they suffocate to death, the warlock could attempt to do the same, however a warlock takes time to perform a long ritual they need help with in order to perform it to do the same. A mage might be able to also do this to a shadow priest, but then they can just teleport back, if the use of teleporting is weaponized then the warlock would instantly move to the very bottom of the teleport capable classes.
I mean the strongest warlocks can destroy planets and our characters in dragonflight can summon pitlords by ourself sooooo
No contest
Not to mention felhunters in the lore can pretty thoroughly neutralize most magic anyway so shields and heals would be mitigated
This class is basically a swiss army knife except the modes are chainsaw, flamethrower, bazooka and minigun. But I'll stick to my fury warrior.
Unfortunately raw power doesn't determine the victor in this case, Gul'dan despite his raw power, was still easily subdued in the past. Not to mention that a knife in the back will kill them just as easily. Fact is, warlocks are only as strong as their pacts with demons that grant em their power, it's why their practically powerless without the said pacts. Player warlocks are just special for gameplay reasons.
@@Kristers_K no they are not, i think you mix up wow with dnd here.
wow warlocks are not much diffrent from mages in how they learn and control magic its just fel and void instead of arcane.
Yea but how long does it take to summon a particular demon in lore? Also I’d have to imagine a blast to the mind would disrupt any spell casting.
Also, denizens of Azeroth have beaten the legions demons and lords back countless times but are still reeling from the old gods infestation with a true void invasion yet to come. Void manages to change the entire ecology of a planet with the gift of flesh. You tell me which force is stronger in the cosmos.
old gods rarely use brute force, but when they do... Kathraxxi
It really depends on the gear and the player. Like i play both ,but i kinda enjoyed more shadow priest. I mean here wasn't mentioned the healing spells of the shadow priest. Like in pvp i just shield myself and the meleee guys, drop the fear on, put a healing on the tank and just go damn fuck kill everything in my way. In other words Shadow priest can combine discipline priest small buffy shit and to do tons of damage with big dark shit. But here is the catch- you have to know the timing of your abilities and when to use what. Also if you going to help the healer in pvp you have to monitor you mana all the time. It took me few years to master shadow priest and honestly it was hard,but shadow priest can take any clasa out.
For the warlocks , ive played warlock since 2009. Warlocks can literally just inflict huge damage and to do massive crow control with proper use of minions and fear and silence. But honestly warlock without a good melee guy in team pvp will not do shit, because casting time too long, health bar to low, also no healing besides stones and life drain. Which against a enemy who can absorb damage like shadow priest is not a good position. But still warlock are also way easier to play than shadow priest and leveling also is better. Also warlocks do a better job again multiple enemies than a shadow priest.
Thanks for your comment. I started playing last year as a warlock.
I’ve been having a hard time deciding to either keep playing with my warlock or main the shadowpriest. I’ve been progressing the war within campaign with both of them 😂
I don’t think you can really pick one as the winner tbh. Imo the realms they draw power from are shown to be both very power and it entirely comes down to the individuals involved in the match. It’s not like warlocks are immune to void magic, if anything they have shown time and time again they argue the MOST corruptable class, so shouldn’t void mind attack be extra good against your average lock? In the end I don’t think you can call it, it all depends on the individuals involved and their specific strengths and weaknesses.
Haven't we had more mates go nucking futz in lore than warlocks? I mea. Warlocks basically have KJ,GD, and Archi, and maybe nerzhul though most of his warlock magic was just making portals with a staff.
Mages have Azshara, KT, Medivh, Malygos, Kaelthas, and debatable the warlocks mentioned above as well with the exception of the orc bois.
Mages are statistically more corruptible than anyone else in wow and cause more of our problems. Even the orc invasion of azeroth wasn't a warlock thing despite the demons. It was a mage/warlock team. The sundering was all on a mage.
Don't fall for the propaganda. Outsides of a handful of planetbusting scaled warlocks they aren't responsible for much more than mild irritation and making people uneasy. Mages fuck shit up.
u have to put one thing into prespective yes "lore wise, warlocks could with time become shadow priests but remember shadow priests are also priests. they can still use their priest abilities and light it's an amazing wepon against fel. they can heal and protect themselves.
Then again thanks to the council the warlocks have spells that allow them to resist the light
Do the holy light vs these two, and keep The Vindicar space ship in mind.
Something to keep in mind: paladins were created because of the priests ineffectiveness in actual combat.
That's irrelevant here. This refers to shadow priest, and that piece of lore only refer to the clerics, IE the holy ones using the light
Ohh seriously?
The right answer would be "The necromancer"
i do not pvp , but i know my lok is freaking OP . dominating the DPS meter in dungeons .
Eh I dunno, i always thought of it as warlocks being jack of all trades in dark magic, but master of none. While the shadow priests literally BECOME void, thats how well versed they are. So to me theyre just an upgrade of sorts. And yeah warlocks wield fel, but thats not any sort of counter to void at all. But its not like there are major shadow priest characters in the lore like warlocks have gul'dan and a number of others, so Im sure someone will counter me with that.
the one with the highest gear level
Controlling and blasting the minds of people seems like a more effective way of doing things. Nobody will blame the priest when a dude jumps off a cliff. Willingly of course.
it is a beautiful video
Shadow Priests are stronger. There's one reason why the Burning Legion exists... It's because of the Void.
Warlock with voidwalker. If it's a 1v1 duel, SPriest.
Years ago I would’ve said warlock easily , but ever since blizz changed the lore a little and made shadow priest synonymous with the void things have changed . Lord wise it’s shadow priest that are stronger now
I think an average shadow priest could beat an average warlock, but a strong warlock would beat a strong shadow priest.
Ah i missed this type of videos:D
7:12 Can somebody give me the source where it is stated that the fel is created by the light's and void's clash?
i think it was a book with medivh on the cover
Actually, I think that the fel contains all types of magic and not just light and void. When you are silenced on chaos bolt you are silenced on all magic schools.
@@lazaros1312 warcraft chronicles the first vol talked about that
Warlock without a doubt
I'd say a warlock wins a fight, but a shadow priest wins the war...
nah, demon beats altar boy
Would had been nice as nemo warlock to have maybe a glyph that summons random demons instead of imps and actually make u feel stronger...as for shadow priest would had been sick to be able to summon from the void elementals or tentacles and so on...you know things that make you feel cool...egh
Shadow priest would win
Spriest pvp is literally disabling the other person by silence or fear or cc before you get silenced or feared or cc. Whoever draws first depends entirely on weather a spriest kit will be viable or not. I am an diehard spriest and can win most 1v1 against any class but warlocks are brutal and spamming dispel or bouncing ccs is annoying. Also I don’t play retail so the whole voidform burst thing that you guys have is not something I am familiar with lol.
I have never seen a shadow priest beat a warlock
How many shadow preist vs. Warlock duels have we actually seen lore wise, though?
@@pancakegrove2274 lore wise I don't ever think I seen 1, in game Spriest has had slim to none chances of winning
I don't think warlocks themselves could win against pretty much any of the other classes. Yet this is not what they try to aim for anyways. Warlocks summon demons preferably as powerful as possible like Gul'dan summoning Archimonde. As an example Illidan could beat Gul'dan alone for sure but Gul'dan would definitely turn the fight into his favor by summoning ancient demons like Mannoroth, Archimonde, Kiljaeden, etc
Therefore I think the average shadow priest wins against your average warlock as long as no powerful demon decides to side with the warlock
Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden are both warlocks and not demons per say, if you put either of those two up against Illidan even in a physical fight both of them outmatch him by such a huge margin its not even close, gul'dan is considered near the top of upper echelon of warlocks but he was just a minion/pawn to Archimonde, even after taking the skull of Gul'Dan Illidan was still afraid of Kill'Jaeden despite the big power up he got from it. Archimonde displayed huge physical prowess by fighting Malorne bare handed and snapping his neck, besides that comparison, fel magic is extremely destructive and unless the caster is very unskilled as compared to the warrior/paladin/rogue he is fighting there is little those classes can do even without the warlock summoning demons. Besides as mentioned in the video, warlocks dabble both in fel and void more so whichever one will give them more power is the choice, there isn't any loyalty attached. This essentially makes the shadow priests whole shtick not really effective while the warlock still has fel to call upon which the shadow priest has no understanding of. The warlock class itself gives everything for power and stops at nothing to get more.
Nerzhul was shadowpriest after he threw away shamanism and he would trash gul dan
completely wrong about warlock killing a priest. apart from the healing and shields and dispells a s-priest has & disperse a shadow priest will take 50% of ur HP off in a 4 sec silence XD
Warlocks 😈but will be cool when Affliction have Shadow Priest spells to 💪
Shaman VS Paladin, please
Shaman.
I dont really see the difference lore wise between a shadow priest and an affliction warlock
Affliction abilities have a little bit of green or orange in it. Shadow abilities are all purple.
Yes we would
Gonna use this comment section to wildly complain about how I watched 2min of this 9min video and already the double ad videos pop up. This is the first YT video I watch in a week. I'm so incredibly sick of this shit I'm considering closing this app and just never opening it again, in 2 years we will need to watch ads for a longer time than the actual fucking video. Yes I'm extremely triggered, the fucking human extinction will happen from ads being such a damn enforced task ppl start offing themselves no lie. Fuck this BS. I'm done.
Ever watched cable TV? There's a bunch of ads for that multiple adverts inbetween an episode.
The human race didn't off itself over that
warlocks win, but shadow priests are better manipulators.
Warlock Magics: Fel, Shadow/Void, Death/necromancy, also many types of other dark magic like curses etc.
Shadow priest magic: Shadow/Void, maybe necromancy?
Synopsis: While I don’t agree with Doron, saying Void is stronger then Fel. Considering Fel is literally more chaotic and destructive by nature, also by the way Fel was created and also the fact that Fel literally destroys people’s existence’s and uses their souls as fuel. While void is more subversive and entropic in nature, both strong but in different ways. But I think a warlock would probably win in most cases considering they know more and they are not consistently fighting to keep them going mad. Warlocks embrace chaos
Dorons gotta be a warlock player. I think shadow priest beats any warlock
We know who the strongest warlock is but who is the strongest shadow priest?
It's not Gul'dan. Gul'dan may be the strongest Azeroth's warlock, but the strongest warlocks lorewise are Archimonde/KJ so far, if you exculde Sargeras for the equation.
@@Stefanuslol of course I'm talking about on azeroth. Those godlike semi-immortal being are excluded because there's no godlike being outside of azeroth who have the title of shadow priest.
@@TheKobasen the two lore characters that are shadow priests:
Xalatath (the void elf Inside the priest dagger)
Soulbinder Nyami
@@sterncrag2033 there's an elf inside a dagger? Is it there before legion or after?
@@TheKobasen during legion and it gets released by nzoth in bfa
The way I see it, your average Warlock would beat your average Shadow Priest in a fight because Fel Magic makes you increase in power much more rapidly, whereas Void Magic is something you have to improve much more with over time.
Shadow Priest baby
We all know the highest level player would win :p
Warlocks borrow power from demons. Priests don’t need them. 😅
Fel/chaos is the strongest magic of all. it is an ultimate multischool magic type that is the conglomerate of all magic that exist into one, hence chaos. This explains why when interrupted on chaos bolt you are locked from all magic schools there are for the duration of the spell lock.
Fel magic = Arcane, Fire, Frost, Nature, Shadow, (Holy, Physical)
The second strongest multischool magic type is Cosmic magic = Arcane, Holy, Nature, Shadow
Some other multischool magic types are: Astral (Arcane, Nature), Divine (Arcane, Holy), Elemental (Fire, Frost, Nature), Twilight (Holy, Shadow) etc.
According to this Doron's confusing Twilight and Fel/Chaos magic, by referring to Fel as the Shadow and Light combined, when this is actually a Twilight magic (a type of magic which priests command lore-wise, even though it's not in the game, at least not available as a playable character).
Additionally I see a lot of confusion when referring to void and shadow. Void is more a plain of existence (like the twisting nether) and not a magic type per se, but somewhere along the line they became synonymous.
SOURCE: wowpedia, wc3 and wow in-game lore and mechanics.
Bro what? Fel is maybe the most destructive power, but not the most powerful one. Idk where did u get that "Fel magic = Arcane, Fire, Frost, Nature, Shadow...", that's straight up false, fel and arcane are both made of light and void energy, just fel is disorder and arcane is order. They are opposites, but the same thing in some way.
Fel isn't multischool of magic, it's only 1 magic made out of 2 components, just like H2O= H2+O2.
@@Kole2501 he was talking about the magic damage in game the spells that do fel damage actually do everything except holy and physical that's an in game mechanic but lorewise the fel is just chaos and the opposite of order
The one who is a better player lol.
Shadow is similar in nature to light. Since the class attacks the mind of the opponent, they added this hint of Jungian psychoanalysis to the class. I think it fits well and has a deep metaphorical implication. The inner struggle between good and evil. The adversarial existence of man. Self being the greatest opponent to contend with. I like it.
Warlocks
Not that hard tbh.
You said it yourself in the video.
Power level being equal, spriests are specialists with a narrow but powerful toolkit in lore.
Warlocks have a very broad range of powers, natively tapping into 3 different cosmic forces and willing to embrace the other 3 if/as needed.
Warlocks understand, though cannot utilize, the majority of spriest power.
Spriests understand a limited subset of warlock power.
Power level being equal the warlock wins more often than not and handily.
No1
no contest. Warlock. Every Single Time.
Just to be a nerd and have fun with an idea : What if when it comes to Mortals , Fel is more powerful. Here me out.
Life itself was created out of Void and shadow.......Just like Fel. So mortal beings could never "fully" embrace Void since we are not born of the void ...where as Life and Fel both coming from this clash of cosmic forces....Maybe mortals can harness fel better than we ever could the void.
Warlock! Its already in the name.
Warlocks aways! I main a demo lock and I love it!
Warlocks die more in solo shuffle. There is your answer.
Just no way a Priest of any kind is powerful enough to beat a Warlock who masters in the darkest arts that exist. I mean look at Gul'dan...
Brah this is crap shadow priests wiled the void brah the void is waaaaay more powerful then the fell or the burning legion we are talking about the old gods not some titan that has demons and where did warlocks wield void energy please show ? Also shadow priests are only making dmg i dont undestand what do you mean like the light can easy destory fell void can destroy light like the fight is beatween light and void fell isnt even in the match brah