Hey you did good on the glue up. Two people would be nice on a project like that. I'm a one man show at my house so you have to figure a way to do things.like shoot brad nail under the frames to hold them in place till you clamp them.
When gluing up a piece, and considering expansion and contraction, does it make a difference where you add glue? I noticed you glued the front and back of the frames. I've seen others glue the middle, leaving the ends to float. Opinions?
I don't think it does matter "where" quite as much as it does that you simply don't apply glue the entire length. Part of my reason for the glue at either end is simply because I discovered during the dry fit that there was a small, but noticeable, gap where the frames fit into the dados on the front side. It was only one or two, but I really wanted to close them. My thought was that since the grain orientation of the front and back long rails were the same as the sides, they would most likely expand and contract somewhat similarly, so gluing them together would be less of an issue...only time will tell if I was completely wrong LOL!
I'm not sure I understand the gluing of the ends of the web frames either. I would think that by locking down the ends, it will have basically the same effect as gluing the entire dado and the wide panel won't have anywhere to go. Hopefully you won't have enough movement to worry about.
I’m sure to some degree it is very similar to if I had just glued it all the way across, but it’s not. As I mentioned earlier in the comments, the majority of the glue is located where the long front and back rails meet the sides. The grain orientation of those two components matches the grain orientation of the sides. The only difference is one is horizontal and the other is vertical. But, IF and when wood movement is to occur, they’ll move in very similar directions. It was simply an option for assembly to give me peace of mind it’ll hold together over the years, you can glue all the way across or just do one end or the other if it suits you. I’m under the impression that many people are either overly concerned or confused about just how much or how little wood movement there actually is. I know for my geographical location we do have it, but it’s not all that severe. In a typical year, even with the wildest swings in temperature and humidity it’s usually no more 1/32” - 1/16” for a really wide board. For boards 2”-4” it’s usually so small it’s not even noticeable at all. Perhaps the biggest issue I’ve ever had with wood movement is when I build something with inset doors and drawers in the winter and forget to leave a little more reveal than I would if I had built it in the warm, humid summer months. But I’ve learned and adapted to my shop environment what works and what doesn’t.
Matt Vanderlist I see the logic, I just don't know that I follow it, that's all. I don't think I'm all 'that' confused, but I do know that where I live (Texas Gulf Coast) we probably have to deal with it a little more with our humidity. Heck, I had the 4" arms on a cypress Adirondack chair split when I tightened the 2 screws (no glue) too tight for at least one of them to move like I intended. Stupid humidity! Like you said, you probably won't have enough movement to worry about it either way in Michigan. And with all the webframes, that's probably going to work in concert to minimize movement as well. Happy sawdust! :-)
its starting look real good. I plan to build a dresser in the future. once my wood is finished air drying I will begin that project
I'm really excited to finish it up so my daughter can start using it. It's been a fun build so far.
,I loved this one. I think it's cause I know the stress of a big glue up. I was nervous watching you.nice job, looking forward to the next one
The next will be so much more tame after this one LOL. Thanks!
Some folks dislike sanding, but I dislike gluing LOL.. Are the Micro Jig Grrrr-rippers multiplying when you not there lol
Hey you did good on the glue up. Two people would be nice on a project like that. I'm a one man show at my house so you have to figure a way to do things.like shoot brad nail under the frames to hold them in place till you clamp them.
I definitely had considered that as an option!
When gluing up a piece, and considering expansion and contraction, does it make a difference where you add glue? I noticed you glued the front and back of the frames. I've seen others glue the middle, leaving the ends to float. Opinions?
I don't think it does matter "where" quite as much as it does that you simply don't apply glue the entire length.
Part of my reason for the glue at either end is simply because I discovered during the dry fit that there was a small, but noticeable, gap where the frames fit into the dados on the front side. It was only one or two, but I really wanted to close them.
My thought was that since the grain orientation of the front and back long rails were the same as the sides, they would most likely expand and contract somewhat similarly, so gluing them together would be less of an issue...only time will tell if I was completely wrong LOL!
Thnks...looking forward to the next video.
Looking good my friend...
Thanks Tom!
Great job. I love this build series. When did you say your glue-up class was going to be? ;-)
Thanks!
Lot's of fussing when you have that much work on the line. Great job Matt!
I'm still sweating from it! Thanks.
I'm not sure I understand the gluing of the ends of the web frames either. I would think that by locking down the ends, it will have basically the same effect as gluing the entire dado and the wide panel won't have anywhere to go. Hopefully you won't have enough movement to worry about.
I’m sure to some degree it is very similar to if I had just glued it all the way across, but it’s not. As I mentioned earlier in the comments, the majority of the glue is located where the long front and back rails meet the sides. The grain orientation of those two components matches the grain orientation of the sides. The only difference is one is horizontal and the other is vertical.
But, IF and when wood movement is to occur, they’ll move in very similar directions. It was simply an option for assembly to give me peace of mind it’ll hold together over the years, you can glue all the way across or just do one end or the other if it suits you.
I’m under the impression that many people are either overly concerned or confused about just how much or how little wood movement there actually is. I know for my geographical location we do have it, but it’s not all that severe. In a typical year, even with the wildest swings in temperature and humidity it’s usually no more 1/32” - 1/16” for a really wide board. For boards 2”-4” it’s usually so small it’s not even noticeable at all.
Perhaps the biggest issue I’ve ever had with wood movement is when I build something with inset doors and drawers in the winter and forget to leave a little more reveal than I would if I had built it in the warm, humid summer months. But I’ve learned and adapted to my shop environment what works and what doesn’t.
Matt Vanderlist I see the logic, I just don't know that I follow it, that's all. I don't think I'm all 'that' confused, but I do know that where I live (Texas Gulf Coast) we probably have to deal with it a little more with our humidity. Heck, I had the 4" arms on a cypress Adirondack chair split when I tightened the 2 screws (no glue) too tight for at least one of them to move like I intended. Stupid humidity! Like you said, you probably won't have enough movement to worry about it either way in Michigan. And with all the webframes, that's probably going to work in concert to minimize movement as well.
Happy sawdust! :-)
Jim Davis dang humidity!!!
!!!!! 7:46 , what is that? WANT!
oh... cool! WANT!
Kreg's setup blocks...oh you found out already? LOL! Glad to help? Thanks for watching.