Making M80 clone
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- This is a guide on how to make a thin walled paper tube with flash powder. This is equivalent to what M80s used to be like in the old days. This is actually a little more powerful than that but close none the less. I take a home made paper tube and using cat litter, flash powder, visco fuse, a hammer, wooden dowel, and some tape to make an M80 equivalent firework.
Could black powder be used.
He used indian black powder i think its called?
For anyone thinking about making their own, please do your research extensively on how to do everything safely, like using plastic materials to mix supplies to avoid static and what mixtures are impact sensitive and how to safely store supplies, and try to be responsible using such things, away from houses or people to not disturb or not doing damage to property or people, these are what made them illegal to begin with and we don’t need them making supplies illegal or harder to get. I myself don’t make videos about it because I don’t want to inspire a bunch of people into trying something they might be irresponsible with.
I see you post this everywhere and right on man, and completely agree, i did extensive research including pulling the recipe from old core of engineer books most of these tutorials ive seen dont use proper ppe or safety procedures, very scary considering more then likely a teenager or amateur tech take these and use these tutorials, alot of the chemicals used in fireworks are toxic, and powdered metal cuts lung tissue and eye like razor blades anyone attempt making your own fireworks please take the take to wear ppe (gloves eye protection, and a WET face mask) and a esd bracelet so no chance of static electricity
@@kennylender7252 well im trying to learn would you know where to find those "engineer books"
@@No_one_432 I found a "flash powder recipe book" on Amazon.
It's full of do's and don't's .
Not to mention the dozens of recipes listed.
I did not know that about the cat litter trick, we learn something everydasy. That's actually a GREAT IDEA.
Just for the flash powder enthusiasts, if you have trouble getting potassium perchlorate, or deem it too sensitive to mess with, there is an alternate formula I use when making flash powder. 50% potassium nitrate, 30% aluminum powder, and 20% sulphur. I find this to be more stable, and potassium nitrate is easy to get. You can buy it as stump remover at a hardware store. The only thing that you have order online is the aluminum. Also, a few drops of super glue on the clay plug will render it super solid, if you want more compression.
Two Point seven grams is in the ballpark for an M-80 with flash powder they were 2.5 to 3 g . It is much easier to use cardboard end plugs and they work fine with good flash powder. Just cut a 1/16 inch thick cardboard circle from a cereal box or something about 1/4 of an inch wider than the tube you are using and force it through a hole the same diameter as your tube id with a dowel 1/16 of an inch smaller than the id of tube and glue in the ends with elmers glue put them in the same direction you forced them through the hole. P.S. this wont work with BP or the slower flash powders but well mixed KCL04/Al 70/30 will do just fine. this is the way the originals were made back in the good old bad old days of my youth.
65/35 makes a better "crack" for salutes just so you know. And you can buy ready made tubes and cardboard plugs for them on at least 10 different sites I can think of. This shits dangerous enough without doing part of it half assed.
that is incorrect if you go pull and read the old army core of engineer books for the recipe it was 69% pot chlor 28% powder alum 3% sulfur (because the m80 was invented by them to simulate life fire for training)and was weighed 3.5g of powder but that was for the military version when they made it a consumer firework the law was 200mcg max powder thats 2g, so the consumer version of a m80 had no more then 2g of flash powder by law
@@kennylender7252 The m-80 was called that because it originanally contained 80 “grains” of flash powder which is just over 5 grams.
@@edzmuda6870yes 5,2grams
Nope, the M-80 got its name from the M-1 rifle ammo, AKA "Ball M-80", they were designed to mimic.@@edzmuda6870
Don't ever mix or store Flash in a plastic bag or use plastic tools (spoon) for handling. Static hazards abound! Use the diapering method, gently mixing the chemicals on a large sheet of Kraft paper. Charge your salute casings with a paper funnel immediately after mixing and use a commercially made paper end cap. Use anti-static spray on yourself and your work area. This video scares the heck out of me. I hope you aren't making any salutes that are bigger than what is shown for the sake of your own safety.
+deepdixie1979 Never had any problems personally. However, I suppose that there is some slight chance of static discharge. Don't worry about my safety. A commercially made paper end cap is not necessary. I
+Rex Morgan www.skylighter.com/skylighter_info_pages/Books/fireworkssafetymanualofca.htm I suggest scrolling down and reading the section about Flash. Static is a huge problem when mixing sensitive compounds.
+deepdixie1979 I am not sure if you have ever made flash yourself or not. I have made small batches for a few firecrakers for quite some time now. I have never had an accident, knock on wood, but it sounds like you might have not made it yourself. There is danger in anything that we do, I just happen to know what the risks are and how fun it is watch that pumpkin explode. If you are not a little scared (or respectful) of what you are doing, you probably should not be making fireworks at all.
Rex Morgan Rex, I have been involved in the pyro hobby for many years now, learning about the safety aspects from the professionals in the pyro club I belonged to. So yes, I have made flash before. I'm just looking out for your safety. Don't get all uptight about it. There are just some concrete do's and dont's when it comes to certain materials. Hopefully, you will progress to building more complex fireworks soon. I also started with the most dangerous pyro by building ground salutes years ago and have since moved on to aerial shells and mines.
The comment "I hope you aren't making any salutes that are bigger than what is shown for the sake of your own safety." worries me a little bit as it suggests that salutes in the size shown in the video are not that dangerous. Even under the slightest confinement (or for that matter no confinement if high quality ingredients are used) 3-5 grams of flash powder can result in truly horrific injuries and can easily destroy or amputate a hand. Don't underestimate the damage such items can cause.
DO NOT Store ‘flash powder’ in plastic bags.. Ever 😮
You can use a hot glue gun and some cartoon cut up so it would fit inside the tude for the plug
Remarkable pyrotechnical skills
If you got ACTUAL bento clay, and you put enojgh dry to seal and them packed slightly damp/moistened clay would that become more solid? More likely to seal better? Pls lemme know. Gracias amigicans! I mean
Muuurrrrikans! ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
Are there gloves to protect from inadvertent explosions?
Nein 😉 Vorsicht und Erfahrung genügt voll und ganz !
PS MG, S 50%50% ist eine sehr sichere Mischung 😊 teuer aber sicher denn ich schreibe immer noch mit meinen 10 Fingern 😉
Grüsse
could you do an experiment and modify one of two identical clone with only packaging tape around the barrel and see if it makes a difference? I know it shouldn't but everything i have modded with the packaging tape has improved.
Perfect outdoor area. No one would know If a small nuke went off.
Supplys are cheap online, tube, ends, fuse.
I have some bentonite powder any idea how to make clay from it, i.e. the ratio of powder to water? Does that stuff harden when exposed to air?
if you have bentonite powder and are trying to use it in fireworks you don't need to make clay. Bentonite powder forms a solid under pressure. You can hammer it with a rod (dowel) or use a hydraulic press. It does not take much pressure to get it into a solid.
@@rexmorgan72 So would you hammer the powder to form a plug in the end after the tube has been filled? I thought you had to leave some headroom for the solute to expand when ignited.
@@edzmuda6870 you do not want headroom. You want things packed as tight as possible. This creates a louder crack or bigger boom.
This video should be titled "Look at my pretty elbow"
Yeah....be sure to stick your arm in the picture so we can't really see what you're doing! Sheeeshh.....!!!!
So where is the test that we are suppose to see
ua-cam.com/video/ltgtBoZxcOQ/v-deo.html
He blew up !
😆
Be kicked of the tube if he showed that. Lol.
Did you use German dark aluminum powder? Or Indian black head aluminum powder?
You can use either, it does not matter. But that particular batch was made with Indian black head.
I use amurican dark, it actually works really well with Chinese potassium perchlorate.
Great homemade! kclo4/al is the best, and I also use the cat litter method ;).
Yeah, it's very powerful, without being insanely sensitive (like chlorate or magnesium based flash powders)
@@RT42069 blessed for pyro got caught not to long ago :(
Do you pack the other end with cat litter after it is filled with solute? I thought you were supposed to leave some headroom inside the tube so it expands when ignited.
@dudetapedtoafridge3073 I have to ask, how did you get caught? Also, what ended up happening? Always been curious how they treat this kind of thing
Where do you buy your patassium perchlorate at
Online
Is there a alternative to iseinh potassium perchlorate?
Potassium chlorate.
I use the thin papper ends they send me with the card board tubes then I use a super strength 2 part apoxy to plug my ends,never had a problem.
That epoxy will fly and hit something sooner or later unless ur always standing them vertically. Expoxy is overkill for sure. Looks pretty though I'll admit, just very unsafe with very toxic fumes.
Correct me if I'm wrong but packing flash powder tightly like you're doing diminishes the explosion significantly due to the lack of available airspace.. m
I am not packing the flash powder tightly. However, a tighter tube or more specifically tighter joints make for a better (louder) report.
You are wrong, the truth is actually the exact opposite in my one experience and tests.
This is true. It works best with the tube only half full. Leave some air in there to compress before the tube bursts. Thick as you can find tubes (like from pyrocreations), and glued in end caps works great. Don't use a hot melt glue plug because that becomes a projectile. I haven't seen cat litter vs glued in end plug, but I'm thinking the glued in end plug would hold a lot more pressure. This is a good tutorial ua-cam.com/video/P1sNw70ctfk/v-deo.html
- Ed
Awesome video :)
cut a line at the end of a dowel...to go over stem
If your talking about hammering the cat litter in you should know that flash powder acts as a impact explosive if hit hard enough. and a hammer would be way hard enough.
grandpa what are you doing
Liked and subscribed! ! :D
where can i get the powders online without having to have some kind of pyro licence
Sigh,
Potassium nitrate is used as stump rot
Charcoal is easy to obtain and
Sulfur is everywhere...
Make your own
Dude anywhere. Skylighter and Pyrocreations are two of the best starter sites.
a couple drops of water on the clay would have hardened it up without ruining anything. lol
Do you need any licenses to make these ”road flares”
No you don’t… unless you get caught ;) But flash powder is dangerous, so if you do go down that road it’s best to read up on safety. For example, the use of a plastic bag/tools with the flash powder in this video is dangerous. They can hold static electricity, which can spontaneously detonate the flash powder. I’m not a pyrotechnic and only know a little about this stuff, so if you want to get into it try you should do a lot of reading. Especially if you are mixing it yourself, which in itself is dangerous. Even storing it can be dangerous if I’m not mistaken. The hobby is no joke
m80 is as big as anyone should go anything more then an m80 is no longer a firecracker
Biggest I ever made was an M-250
What the fuck are you doing, pressing an m80?? bruh. First of all it can explode. Appart from that you must not fill more than half or 2/3 the tube for airflow and better explosion. Pressing like this its giving 0 airflow.
First off, the oxidizer is the potassium percolate. The aluminum is the fuel. You don’t need a air space. It’s supplied in the oxidizer.
No air space needed trust me they have more power the tighter they are
Where can I get flash powered from?
thats what i am wondering too where can you get it
You could try a theatrical supply shop.
Or make your own ...
UA-cam is full of examples of how to DIY ...
i thought pressure ignited flash powder.
Depends on the variant of flash, some are more sensitive than others. Still not something you want to over do though. I prefer plastic caps sealed with a good quality hot glue.
@@kieferstout3081 yeah, magnesium flash powders will go off with slight pressure or friction, and anything using chlorate will go off if you look at it funny, but KClO4/Al or KNO3/Al/S requires either being heated or hit with a hammer to ignite.
That’s the way I do it . Plastic caps and hot glue . But I always get nervous as hell when using hot glue . What are the chances of hot glue igniting a 70/30 mix of potassium perchlorate/ aluminum powder ?
Better camera position next time !
what glue did you use?? ty
Elmer's Glue
@@rexmorgan72 lol smh.. k TY, i was thinking that it could of been a starch based glue
How did u make ur tubes
Just rolled paper around a dowel. Then added glue when I had enough paper thickness.
An M-80 "clone" would be a 1.5" long 9/16" ID red tube with paper plugs, secured with plain old white glue, with a 3" green American visco fuse inserted in the side, filled with approximately 2.5-2.7 grams of flash and stamped with the phrase "M-80 FIRECRACKER Do Not Hold In Hand"...like the ones I make. No offense, but what you have here is a sloppily made generic ground salute m
Where do you buy flash powder ?
@@kevinouellette1893 you don't. You make it. And if you're asking, you need to do a LOT more research before you start working with any energetic materials.
@@robinhood1016yea I've been making m-80 and silver salute reproduction salutes for years,it never ceaces to amaze me at the amount of fucking idiots on y tube messing with flash powder,90% of them wouldn't know a real m-80 if they saw one,I'll informed sloppily made shitty looking garbage,oh yeah and that fucking hot glue that most people insist on using the original salutes were made completely from paper,it's entertaining to watch people that have known idea what there talking about giving instructions to other dumb asses on how to do shit they clearly shouldn't be fucking with
Thought it was 3-3.5 grams on the original? I get making them pretty, but I’m not quite there yet. Just started getting the glue right on the tubes so it’s nice and smooth…. Don’t knock the guy though, not everyone wants to make it pretty to blow it up. Some of the best firework guys I know don’t spend/waste time on the m-80s as the mortars and shells are where they spend their talent time. Each their own. I don’t like the two chemicals flash powder 7/3 mix either. I think depending on the aluminum you use, you can get a little better bangs if you do your research on FCB and try some of the posted fp concoctions. Again my opinion and I suck at this. Spend my talent in body hacking.
why does smoke shoot out of my fuse instead of exploding
I would need a little more info to help you. What do you have packed into the paper tube/shell. Are you using black powder, or flash or something else?
pvc pipe as a shell and black powder
@@landodando4586 it sounds like you do not have a tight seal, either around the end cap or possibly the fuse. That would all depend on how you have things arranged. Also on a side note, I would not recommend PVC. If for some reason that were to go off it will send shrapnel flying. The thing is there could be tiny fragments and if by chance you were to be struck by one of the fragments and need medical attention, the PVC would not show up on an X-ray.
when the fuse burns up the blackpowder smokes out of the hole where my fuse was and burns a hole through part of the shell because previously i made it out of cardboard but i thought it might need to be a more sturdy material so i decided to try pvc pipe i had my phone recording and hid behind the wall incase it did work and there was shrapnel
does normal hot glue found at a crafting store do the job to make a tight seal?
Is using a pvc pipe safe for bangers?
Sure, just throw in some screws and glass and you got yourself a pipe bomb
If you like shrapnel, yeah.
so I can hammer it to compact more into it with out any thing bad happening unless ITS NOT METAL that I'm using to compact it??? basically 🤔
You can compact the cat litter with anything. You should NEVER, hammer on the mixture itself. NEVER!
Flash powder if it’s not confined won’t explode but it can burn him severely and do some damage to the retina.
@Whoop!!
USe Mg ..NOT Al . Or Mg/Al
What is Mg?
If they bag went off next you would probably go deaf for a week.
I knew a guy that dropped a 1 lb container of flash,it really messed him up. Lost permanent hearing in one ear,part of his sight in one eye as well. I have utmost respect for that firecracker powder.
Don’t let the alphabet boys see this.
Thanks for NOT testing 😡
ua-cam.com/video/ltgtBoZxcOQ/v-deo.html
It clearly says, MAKING an m80 clone not setting it of dumbass
Not_A_Nugget 23 he clearly started the video saying he’s going to demonstrate the power of flash. Wheres the demo Jack ass
clark kent he said he would demonstrate the flash IN THE NEXT VIDEO listen mate
@@not_a_nugget2373 unfortunately YoUtUbe keeps taking it down. Although, I think the link above still works. Although not searchable.
The video would be better if you didn’t mumble
either way, the shitbird didn't light one. thumbs bown
Mark Hahn You have to watch the 2nd video.
ua-cam.com/video/ltgtBoZxcOQ/v-deo.html