I fully agree. I looked at replacing my car with a VW Golf but all the controls are on a screen rather than via knobs and dials. I can't see how you can safely drive a car while adjusting the controls on a screen.
I was missing some more reasons *NOT* to to buy a new car: No direct injection on petrol cars; no Add Blue on diesel cars; no nagging you should take a break; no start - stop that is designed to kill your engine; no lane departure control; no SIM card, microphone, accelerometers, camera, alcohol breathalyser (Dacia) that spy on you and send that to your car insurance; no electric doors that trap you in an accident; no over the top rev hanging (Renault); no beeps and boings when you go too fast; no message you should up shift and that will teach you to lug the engine that will destroy it; no hypocritical environmental finger waving on the dashboard; and last but not least *NO WOKENESS* and Bonus Pro TIP: no EV.
Nothing wrong with direct injection as long as you look after the car and don't constantly do short trips, I've permanently disabled stop/start on my car. Don't care about shift indicator I just ignore it.
the breathalyser is a GOOD idea, all cars should have them, I don't see that as a negative but then I don't drink and drive. You were doing quite well until went down the woke thing, that made no sense whatsover.
The economy is a disaster, the middle class is getting poorer & poorer, meanwhile cars are getting more & more expensive with more & more features we don’t need.
Some manufacturers force you to choose a higher trim level with the options you don't need or want before choosing the engine/transmission combination...VW group for instance.
I can predict hikes in taxes and more restrictions for old cars in future to force owners to get rid of them and buy new expensive junk. Stand strong people, don’t let them do it. System always pursuit its own benefits, not people’s.
I drive Toyota Camrys for a reason. We have a 2000 and a 2005 Camry, and I intend to drive them indefinitely. As long as they run and are safe, I'll keep driving them.
Keep a keen eye on the floorpan. I recently had to get rid of my ultra reliable 2000 Toyota Yaris Verso 1.3 vvti, due to the floor rusting near to the rear suspension mounts! It would have cost a few hundred quid to get it through an MOT but, I was told that it would probably need redoing again the following year! I now have a 2017 car with lots of gadgets and gizmos, which I don't like. In hindsight, I really should have looked for another old Toyota!
My dad - who had been a car dealer for many years, always told me not to ever buy a new car - but to get something 3-5 years old that had been properly serviced, then look after it and keep it on the road until it became uneconomic to repair. My previous car was a 2004 Skoda Fabia that I bought in 2008 and owned for 14 years. I think that's the best way to do it, especially if you are on a lowish income.
What is properly serviced. I bought 3 year old Z4 E89 at 29k miles, first dealer stamp was 21k miles. Was that it's first oil change? I don't know. Almost criminal not to have had earlier change say at least at 10k. I would have thought new car warranty would be first service free at say 10k.
@@flybobbie1449 so you bought a car that you deem criminally under serviced. It’s not even been serviced within the manufacturer service interval but you still bought it.
Yea, myself and brother came to same conclusion in the 90s. Then in the 2000s he got a new prestige car. I said wtf. He said " it's OK for you you've a high status job. I ain't. The new car makes me feel better " I couldn't argue with that, even though he was far wealthier than myself.
If the person that bought the car new kept it they could have driven it for 18 years. That's not bad for them either. The key is whatever you buy just keep it till it's uneconomical to repair.
If you watch O'rileys autos, he has proved that certain manufacturers embed fault lights/codes to appear at certain mileages, whether or not there is an actual fault. It's fraud straight from the factory!
Great car, I really like the Yeti👍. I have a 2015 Octavia and love it. I have had it 9 years and it has been very reliable. The new Skoda interiors are hideous, with a huge ipad screen without proper knobs and switches, which are so easy and intuitive to use. If I was going to upgrade my car (which I’m not) it would be for a previous model (ie 1-2 years old) Skoda Superb. New cars hold zero interest for me.
I got rid of my A6 Avant. I just couldn’t live with the touch screen, even after 12 months it wasn’t intuitive. I’ve now got a Mercedes with real buttons.
@@redfilfil a friend has a 2023 Tiguan which he loves apart from the screen. He detests having to piddle about on the screen to change the Havc or change the radio station, he can’t get on with the haptic buttons on the wheel either.
Baffles me, and many many others, why they binned it, and brought out those ridiculous characterless SUV's with instantly forgettable names beginning with the letter K
For me there are two reasons for me not to buy new now. 1) Speed assist installed by law 2) the cars I would like to own and suit me are in the higher car tax bracket. So will stick with what I have.
Absolutely spot on! Cars should be for getting from A to B quickly, safely and reliably - not as computer information and entertainment centres, which are expensive to install and dangerous to operate when the car is in motion. Manufacturers should in my opinion be liable for every road accident which has been caused by inadequate concentration in driving.
Indeed ! seats especially , mostly all but premium new cars have awfoul stiff construction seats along with poor side bolsters , like they want you to drive less ..
mine was a Valve 240 saloon. Close second, and surprising to me, was a Nissan Bluebird. Both really good cars. The Volvo died, but I wish I had kept the Bluebird!
On some it's an extra £5.5k. If the dealer can't take the hit and the customer isn't willing to stump up the extra the sale just won't happen. On a £25k. It's 20% VAT and then another 20% again in V.E.D. £11k of the purchase is going to the government. Never mind the £15k fine if the sell ICE and they haven't sold the quota of EV.
YES AGREED but all this only applies to the first year after which it is a standard flat rate of £190.00 right across the board YES even for electric vehicles so the bottom line then is why buy brand new I know I wouldn't but I can't help but feel for both car makers and dealers when new car sales start falling if they haven't done so already all just to please the greedy Government we have currently in power and of course their plans for net zero doesn't help
@jameslowry1 probably basically end sales what the government are doing. The 2030 ban may not be here yet but people wanting to buy ICE brand new have basically been priced out. The government don't want us driving. And they make the rules.
@@chrishart8548 You're simply making stuff up. There is no second 20% VED. For a typical car in the £25000 range it's either £210 or £270 based on emissions.
The biggest problem is it really pisses off the government who then hike my road tax every year. It now my far my biggest single expense, put of all proportion.
We had a dealership( I'm now retired ) and I would pick cars I wanted to buy from certain customers when they decided to sell them. I have always kept vehicles long as I buy and enjoy them for very specific reasons. My current vehicle I use daily is soon approaching 20 years old and I love it just as much as the day I for it used from the original owner.
I disconnected the stop-start on my golf 7. There's a connector at the positive terminal. Just pull it out,and it fools the computer. It can't read the battery condition 👍
Something that is never mentioned is that as a car audio enthusiast modern cars are dogshit. If you can't change the headunit you limit what upgrades are possible. Many new cars put so many controls on that abomination of a touch panal that changing it is very difficult or impossible.
I’ve fitted Alpine Double Din Sat Nav touchscreen head units to both our cars, they are fantastic & really modernise both cars which are 2005 & 2015.i also now have powered phone cradles for online Maps as the head unit maps don’t give live traffic information.
Just run it all separately? But seriously, they are hoping all forms of car enthusiast just dies out. A much bigger market than ICE guys is amateur motorsport & track driving. They would sell a lot more EVs if weekend racers had reassurances that their passion will continue or even supported. But they won’t because secretly they just want it to go away.
Already happened with motorbikes and all forms of Motorsport. The government and environmentalists do not see a need for any non essential use of fossil fuels or electricity. Refining will continue for decades, and someone somewhere has to use all the grades of fuel from butane and ethanol to bitumen etc. Also NIMBY rights have prevented planning permission succeeding for any new sports or motorsport venues, but apparently NIMBY rights will be extinguished to allow millions of new houses everywhere for millions more boat migrants.
@ and boat people are content with electric scooters and living in urban hovels. It’s almost like they intentionally brought in people with lower expectations in life. But surely a government would never do that on purpose 😮
Maintenance is the secret to keeping older cars. Do not abuse them when driving and they could last for twenty or more years.. One of my daughters had a 2002 Honda Accord with over 300,000 troubled free miles and the original engine and transmission. She traded it in for a 2024 Honda CRV because she. Moved cross country and needed more cargo space
It’s a a Honda, keep good oil in it and drive the ever loving piss out of it. She’ll thank you. I’ve owned 7 civics (mainly D series and a couple of B series’s powered cars). All of them modified and driven very, very hard. I haven’t had a single mechanical failure for any of them! Same goes for 90s Toyotas.
I live in Ireland. My car is a 2004 Saab 93 convertible. Still powerful and economical. And supremely reliable. It just passed the stringent annual inspection. An equivalent replacement will cost a lot of money. The old car 🚗 does not involve the pollution of manufacturing a new one. Currently cars are built with a limited life cycle . Our car should still be good for a long journey. And in summer the open too is worth it. The soft roof of the Saab is as good as a saloon in winter, no compromise
yes, the day a manufacturer sells a car that has the basics in it and not all this ridiculous bells stuff will be the day they start selling cars again in any quantity.
Bang on correct. Dacia are about the only manufacturer that seem to listen, but even they're having to obey the new rules now too as to what is required by law
People aren't buying new cars as they are far too expensive. Since Covid new cars and vans have become out of the range of most people. they de -value at £2,500 to about £3,000 per year. A new car is a luxury most people can't afford.
I have a 2014 Skoda Yeti - why would I want to have anything else ? It's a perfect car and I LOVE it. I plan to keep it till I can't drive anymore. I would accept nothing in it's place.
Until the coded fuel injector on the 1.6 TDi engine fails. Upto £1k to replace and re-code just one with a genuine new Bosch injector. Ask your Skoda dealer for a quote. Post 2010 diesels in general are a money pit and full of built-in obsolescence and Euro emissions guff. The older VW PD diesels 2007-2010 are generally more reliable and cheaper to maintain - 300K+ miles not uncommon - and no coded injectors, no DPFs.
Hence theyre expanding ulez in lots more cities now to force your hand, and increasing the road tax astronomically each year going forward from next year It's vile
@@dcasteaux9181 My now nearly 20 year old minter of a Fabia vRS for instance. 149,000 miles of trouble free motoring, that still puts a smile on my face. Actually my best friend too! ❤
Hi , I watch a video yesterday about the total sales of electric vehicles and the total sold was only 17% and not the 22% recommended by the government in the UK . The fined imposed to car manufacturers due to that lower sales of electric vehicles is near a billion pounds . The total shortfall of electric vehicles was about 65/66000 vehicles . That's a fine of £15 , 000 for each vehicle . That fine is only the one year and what will the fines be when next year's comes round . Either prices go up to cover the fines or car manufacturers move abroad and or go bust in the UK . Stalantis closed Vauxhall and Nissan give the Sunderland Nissan factory 12 months to close . Nissan are going bust in the next 14 months apparently if things don't change for them . The money goes straight to the UK government .Investigate for yourself and see what you find out .👍
Please come to Tennessee USA! There are no car inspections or smog tests here. We can drive what we want! If you buy a small patch of rural land you can live in whatever you want on that land!
@@Jsn1180 Tennessee is awesome! Best accents, chill af, guns everywhere and ppl are poor enough to keep it real! If i was moving to USA i'd move there.
You seem to be implying (maybe subconsciously) that ‘older cars’ are always breaking down and are expensive to fix. I’ve been driving for 43 years, racking up tens of thousands of miles per year. I’ve only had 2-3 “breakdowns” in that time, and with the assistance of the RAC, got them going again within minutes. I driven cars from the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and 2000’s. Cars from the 90’s and 2000’s are so reliable and cheap to maintain, parts are available and most patten part are as good (if not better) than OEM. I recently had front and rear discs and pads done at a garage for £238.99. That’ll last a good 3+ years before I have to get them done again. A full service only costs £203.44. a basic service for £152.54. Yes I could do it myself, but I’m fortunate enough to get it done locally whilst I’m at work. (I’ve had this car for 10 years and have nearly 200K on it, and it still starts on the button)
Another issue not covered is the higher VED on newer cars and the all the intrusive nanny state tech in cars like lane assist, AEB and now speed warnings and limiters. Cars constantly beeping and important functions like AC buried in a touchscreen. Increasingly large wheels with low profile tyres is also off-putting.
My two cars are jointly 48 years old. Today I'll drive 400 miles to France in a 2005 ML with 160k returning on Thursday. It will do 2,000 miles by early January. Tesco 99 Momentum fuel and regular infusion of the best oil. Never let more than three things fail without fixing. An excellent North Yorkshire Mercedes specialist for maintenance.
I live in the Highlands of Scotland, I drive a 2011 Freelander 2 with 145,000 on the clock. Not cheap to run but essential where I live. My mechanic says hang on to it as it should last another 10 years if regularly serviced. I see loads of old Land Rovers on the road plus most of my neighbours drive older cars.
Add in the luxury car tax. People trying to be persuaded to buy EVs, restricted sales of petrol and diesel. The stated unnecessary complexity of modern cars etc. Neighbour has a 5 year old Quashqai. Done 5000 miles. Ad blue sensor fails. £1100 to replace! Seam on a seat split due to poor workmanship, £750. Tyre pressure valve £160. Battery £120. His old focus cost hardly anything to maintain and he could do everything himself.
The proportion of the population for whom buying a new car is even a financial option has decreased as real incomes have declined. Then there’s the group who have woken up to the madness of PCP. Then there’s people like me who can afford a new average price car but don’t like getting ripped off in principle, think old cars are better, and are enthusiastic enough to wield a spanner. Also, anyone whose worked on cars knows they’re pretty much the same and haven’t changed in years apart from the infotainment and are not worth what is being asked. (20yr old Mini, 5yr old Jazz)
Beyond fluid changes, annual Fluid Film application or some other lanolin coating for the underbody is the most important maintenance you can do for your vehicle if you live in an area where rust is an issue, but probably fewer than 1% of car owners do this. Engines and transmissions on older cars can sometimes be replaced, but repairing or replacing the frame, especially on a unibody car is usually not feasible or is cost prohibitive.
I agree. I have a 15 year old Volvo. There was light corrosion on the rear crossmember that was mentioned on a couple of MOT's, but the tester told me it was nothing to worry about. He suggested Lanoguard. This year I jacked the car up, wirebrushed everything, then coated everything with Evaporust, jet washed that off. Then sprayed Jenolite rust converter everywhere. Waited a couple of days and then sprayed Lanoguard everywhere. The underside is no rust free and will stay that way with minimal maintenance. I did the same with a 1995 Hilux Surf that I had until recently, it was as solid as a rock underneath.
@@VisorView I use Fluid Film because it $8 or $9/can at Menard's in my area. I never wash the underbody here in my suburb of St Paul, MN and even my exhaust hangers are still pristine. It does work even on steel exhaust pipes better toward the rear of the car because there is less heat. The body is completely rustless on the rocker panels and doors, but there is about 2 square inches of surface rust on the frame from the previous owner. I have never sanded or wire brushed or washed anything. I just keep applying at least 7 cans of Fluid Film lanolin undercoating every year to prevent further oxidation and Fluid Film been extremely effective at that.
I have a BMW 4 series (manual) on a 21 plate. Just out of warranty and took it in for a gear box selector seal which was weeping at a cost of £400. I pointed out the low milage for year (21k) and the cause is unlikely to be driver cause. The person I spoke to pointed out I should have extended the warranty! I pointed out I should have bought a quality product. Similar experience with Land Rover. In the end we learn from these experiences which compromise the brand long term.
Some of it can be dealerships pushing their luck. When my 2005 'X' type went in for what was probably it's 3rd service I was advised that there was an oil leak, how much ? I remember the price was above £1 K. I didn't get the job done and when I parted with it at 17 years old it still didn't leave a drop of oil in the drive.
I have a 1996 Suzuki Sierra that I've owned for 25 years, and I have never had a problem with it. I took it around Australia, and now I use it to navigate around town. Currently, its resale value is even higher than that of many EVs.
Driving 2012 Honda Jazz. Super reliable never any issues. Cheap Insurance. No corrosion. Always passes MOT. Economical. No useless irritating tech to annoy/distract/spy on me. Why would I buy a new car?
I think you have covered key points. A heavily regulated industry has the manufacturers hands tied. Sadly, customer requirements are no longer the priority. Back to the future.
@@PabloT4571 They are busy legislating everyone off the road….except themselves of course. They want you in their 15 minute cities, controlled and confined.
Australian here - I've no emotional attachment to my old early 2010's VW Polo (and indeed it's just one more DSG failure from kicked out of the garage and replaced... with a used car) the reason I haven't purchased a replacement is The high prices of new cars that is rapidly increasing, for example a 4th generation Suzuki Jimny , which was a low/mid budget car is selling for 5 to 10 thousand dollars more at the dealers than when released in 2018 and significantly over the importer's recommended price . Here in Australia a number of late model used cars are actually selling for MORE than the same model new and this isn't just collectors and prestige cars - to stick with the above example a 2 year old Suzuki Jimny will often list for several thousand over the new price and that's above the higher dealer's price not above the cheaper importers recommended drive away price for a new one. The long delay between signing on the line for a new car and receiving it, several months to as long as a year - some buyers have had their order's canceled as by the time the car ships the price has increased significantly (see point one) and they are unwilling, or unable, to pay the extra amount over the original price (and yes they have been paying finance from the moment they signed the contract, and dealers have a long line of people who will pay a premium over the dealer's retail price to buy that unit so as to jump the queue even if it's level of trim and accessories that they don't really want. Increased lock in to high maintenance cost on new cars some leases here require dealership services which can be more than double that of a independent qualified workshop (they get a loophole around consumer laws as the vehicle is legally therirs for the period of the lease) - I was quoted "genuine" windscreen wiper replacements at three times the OEM price, a new "genuine" battery at double that from an auto electrical retailer.... Why will I replace my Polo with a used older car? - I just need it as a glorified shopping trolly it rarely goes on main roads, highways, or expressways/freeways so mostly low (sub 50kph and my local area is about to drop to 30kph limit on urban roads) driving of short (10km or less) trips. so something basic engineering wise for ease of doing my own maintenance and not really needing the full infotainment suite and 5 star safety suite that's designed to have you survive a 220kph+ head on crash on a highway (ironically my highway driving is actually on an old mechanically basic motorcycle (Moto Guzzi) that I can spanner myself)... I'd love to get an older Japanese basic Kei car/van/truck like Honda ACTY or Subaru Sambar or ideally an old Daihatsu Midget II but importing them privately and getting them on the road a long, protracted and often frustrating operation.
Modern cars are generally very reliable, but I believe that the manufacturers are getting cleverer at designed obsolescence. The example I choose is plastic can chain tensioners. These seem to last a very predictable time (longer than the first owner) and then often require major dismantling to change. This gives me the impression that modern cars are generally a ticking time bomb.
I drive a 1998 Volvo, servicing is cheap and easy, even a cambelt change is straight forward. I know when I need the windscreen wipers, and guess what, there's a switch witch I can operate without to much effort. The same applies to the lights, I can tell when it's getting dark and the light switch is accessible from the drivers seat. And don't get me started on park assist, I learnt to drive my car in both directions.
We used to own a hand-me-down Golf from 1992 but it was in terrible condition. We had no other viable option than to sell it. Hopefully the new owner can make it run for a few more years. Other than that, I don't plan on owning another car, ever. They're way too expensive for a normal person's salary. I do plan on getting a motorcycle though, I will buy it new and plan on keeping it until I die (which may or may not happen soon haha). It's a SUZUKI so I know it will last forever with meticulous maintenance.
Had a Peugeot 2008 on holiday, as a hire car. What a disaster! Everything is controlled from an iPad style screen…..when it works. By the time you’ve fiddled with it to turn the heater down, you’ve almost slammed the car in front. Then it locked up, with the radio at full volume and had to be taken back to the rental people. Give me my old Honda any day!
7 year old GOLF GTI from new. Physical buttons, no driver aids and can do 500 miles on the motorway. Used to upgrade to a new car every ten years but have decided that I will never buy another car.
New cars are: too big externally for their interior size, so much more awkward to park, and drive on small roads; have smaller windows and bigger blind spots; have far more complex and expensive 'driver aids', which I don't want and would switch off; use touchscreens, which are as dangerous as mobile phones if driving; don't have manual handbrakes, which I insist on; don't have spare wheels - ditto; have automatic gearboxes - I prefer manuals; cost a fortune to buy and in depreciation. So why would I buy new?
Cost is undoubtedly the most significant reason, but one thing I've not seen mentioned is the SIZE of most new cars. Manufacturers are culling smaller models from their lineups all the time, even as the remaining ones get wider and heavier. The UK's road network, in particular, isn't suited to the big boats that the manufacturers want to sell us.
And the real reason sales are so bad and will get a lot worse, are the fines. £15000 per car for every ICE car sold over the 80% allowance, pushed on suppliers by the government for not selling enough EV's (that very few people want or can afford). You know, because of the CO2 (the gas of life) I think it has to be 20% EV's, this year and by 2030 the government require 80% of cars sold to be EV's, so consequently orders are being taken for next year and from October this year they have hit there limit of 80% ICE cars sales. Next year they will probably hit that limit in August/September as the percentage of EV's that have to be sold will go up...
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to highlight this important matter. We plan to drive our old cars indefinitely. We just keep on maintaining them. When the time comes for engine rebuilds we do that. By doing that we also keep mechanics and motor engineers in business. We need them and their skills to survive well into the future. Naturally the general maintenance is DIY at home, but we need the specialists as well. Our big problem in South Africa is lack of parts for our older cars. With our BMW's it is easy, we get it from BMW dealers if necessary. With our Volkswagens and Alfa Romeos we import parts from UK or Germany where necessary. Delivery is usually very quick and not a problem at all. There are lots of joys of driving older cars and they get a lot of attention from petrolheads. People just love a mint older car or classic car.
Very solid and reasonable arguments, well researched - it´s by far the best video about this topic. No fancy assumptions and far fetched fantasies - just the real reasons taken from real life. Thank you.
Manufacturers have taken engineered obsolescence to new levels. Vehicle reliability after the warranty expires can be poor and the initial purchase price can be astronomical. When depreciation is factored in, a well cared for used vehicle makes sense.
I took a chance & went ahead & purchased a 2O23 Sportage for my better half: two-and-a-half years later, we're impressed with its reliability, build quality, performance, mpg, suspension, etc. No regrets!!! My ride is a 2012 Sorento: still going strong!!!
It’s very difficult to purchase a car in 2024 because of the pressure placed on dealers to sell these ridiculous electric toy cars, so people keep hold of their icu cars. Its a complex market place when governments interfere and place tariffs on dealers who can’t sell evs. Dealers all over the uk are going bust due to this crazy system. Eventually it Will sort itself out but sadly that will not save the uk car industry. America will lead the common sense fight and Ev’s will be left to rot in the stock yards where they sit in their tens of thousands all over the world.
Our car will be 19 years old next year (Citroen Berlingo) Like a lot of people say, just can`t afford to change it . We have had it from new (Cost new £9500). The only trouble is the road tax is now £310.00 per year. Taxed for taking care and looking after our car. The government don`t want older cars on the road and will tax you out of them onto a bicycle.
Here, due to high tax E200k, when new in 2006, costs 71,000 euro. Now a new E200 in 2024 costs 77,000 euro. Bought the E200k in 2006 for 5530 euro. Had worn cam adjustors and elongated timing chain two months ago. Could have replaced only cam adjustors and timing chain for about 1000 euro. But decided to put in the 2400 euro to change out about 30 items from big to medium and to tiny ones. Items are crankshaft sensor, thermostat, top coolant hose, cooler gasket, two rear hub bush, chain tension, belt tensioner, bush, 5 seals, bell housing gasket, one used rear drive shaft, 4 new drive shaft boots, both rear wheel arch cover, two adjustable rear camber arm plus few other items. I think the new engine mounts and transmission mount make the drive so much better even if the old mounts had sunk only by about 5mm. Why do this at 1/2 the car worth ?. Well, keep it for next 5 years, the body had no rust, the road tax is only 60 euro and insurance about 100 euro for 10,000km of yearly use. 🎉🎉🎉🎉😂. Regards.
Typo correction: bought this E200k in 2022 for 5530 euro, this recent repair 2400 euro. This car is now worth 4300 euro. Painted for 1000 euro this Feb. 😂😅😅.
I just sold my 1991 MK2 VW that I had for 23 years and bought a 2016 Toyota Yaris with only 16k miles on it. I do all my own maintenance on it at half the recommended intervals because I want the car to last 20+ years.
Big problem about ķeeping a car long term in UK is ROAD SALT IN WINTER !! We do not have that in Thailand, many old good condition cars. ( from a Brit living here )
My car is large German diesel SUV fully paid and depreciated. It does everything I want from a car and it’s relatively reliable. Any problems are quickly sorted at my local independent specialist. I usually spend around 1.5k every year in maintenance and servicing. If I keep it for another 10 years it will cost me 15k in maintenance. But if I buy a new car, especially an EV, I will lose 15k or more in a year and will have to pay high interest rates for the privilege. And all this for a new car that will do exactly what my current car does..No thank you I don’t want to be a fool.
I'm holding onto my 2016 Audi A3 until there's diesel shortages. It's right on the edge of being just old enough to not be a pain in terms of stupid modern features. It does require computer diagnostics, but there's still plenty that can be fixed easily. No multimedia dashboard crap except the bare essentials - simple LCD screen that shows text and basic graphics. Manual gearbox. Very few noisy warnings - a fairly quiet seatbelt one and a very quiet and basic reversing one. I may see if I can get a garage to disable those. I can still move the car around a car park without needing to put on a seatbelt. Everything is still physical knobs and buttons - very tactile, no stupid touch screen crap. Like I said, right on the edge of where cars started to get too damn clever and annoying. Above all else, solid as a rock with a rock solid service history from day one. I know many wouldn't class it as an old car, but by the time I'm done with it, it will be. I expect to keep it until it's no longer feasible. The government can go do one trying to get me to buy an EV. I see no reason why it won't last another 20 years with regular services.
I drive a 2013 Volvo V70 and I absolutely love it. If they were still made I buy a new one, probably an XC70, my dream car. As they don't, I plan to keep my V70 for as long as possible. Despite having the D4 diesel engine, road tax is still only £35/year, fuel consumption is well in excess of 40mpg, top speed is a claimed 137mph, 0 to 60 is about 8.5 seconds. With a full tank, range is over 600 miles. The seats are the most comfortable I've ever experienced, the carrying capacity is impressive, especially with the rear seats folded down plus there is no lip to lift things over. The permanent roof bars enable me to carry long and hefty lengths of timber. All my servicing is carried out by a Volvo main dealer, it's not cheap but it's not overly expensive. She is now approaching 90,000 miles with no known problems, a check on Autotrader showed V70s offered for sale some in excess of 300,000 miles. So why change her? In short it's a car that suits me, my lifestyle and my hobbies. I love her.
Great vid thanks, I bought my citroen picasso 1.6 exclusive brand new pre reg for £11,750 back in 2014 and still have it, I just can't believe the price of new cars and all the tech puts me off big time. Cheers
Hi, great content. I have a 05 plate car with 84,000 miles on the clock & had for five years. Everything you stated on old cars is totally true in my case, repair, replace most things myself & planning to keep her going as long as possible. Have also heard that some manufacturers are charging £200 plus an hour on these EV’s to repair them. I don’t spend that servicing my car a year. Your totally correct on new EV’s, to many gadgets to go wrong or as you stated totally unreliable & the manufacturer know that they have income coming soon to repair them. Looking forward to your next update. Merry Xmas to you all.
2002 Toyota Yaris Verso vvti Bought in 2006. By far THE best car I have ever owned. I'm nearly 80 and had a few! Reliability +++ No fancy gizmos or stupid noises. It can be converted to a van when needed. The radio has a tape player not even a CD player. The engine ticks over so quietly you could think it had stalled and it still has the original exhaust system. Living in France.
New cars loaded with annoying "aids" and features that I dont want or need are unappealing. Examples are lane departure, lane centering, driver attention, start stop, driver attention nagging, TPMS, tablet screens instead of knobs and switches etc There have been many great improvements like ABS, ABD, air bags, cruise but from somewhere around the late 90s it started to become technology for its own sake, There must be a market for good , simple , safe , economical cars that are pared back with all the BS removed
It's not simply "poor quality" - I remember the old italian and french cars, and even some british (Rover cough) - it's the extensive electronic systems and complexity of repairs.
Have a 2014 XC60 2.4 D5. Had it since 2016. Solid engine. Gearbox, buttons and knobs. Not an infotainment screen. Has everything I need other than keyless go. Local non Volvo garage services well. Not selling. Not trading. I love that car. Even has city-safe braking. Serviced it well. Suspension is overrated for our roads. Not depreciating
They are pricing the cars so the monthly payments plus deposit and final settlement sum , are so prohibitively large, that most people will end up leasing. Under this you pay endlessly for a car that you never own, and they want to keep you on that conveyor for life……. Remember , when you hand the car back, they still make money, selling it on the second hand market. The car industry want all the toys in their pram…. Think about how much you are paying for a metal box that most people sit in an hour a day at most….. it’s like buying a gold toilet….
For me it’s several things. The cost of living is just ridiculous. This month alone; I have spent £1500 on bills. That’s gas; water and electricity. And I don’t have an electric car, imagine how much more it would cost me in bills if I had to charge the damn thing?
My 2014 Renault Grand Scenic 1.6dci has been an electronic nightmare, throwing up parking brake warnings since we bought it. It has regualar tantrums over cruise contol, mass air flow sensors, glow plugs and injection warning lights. I have had all of the above looked at and even had the exhaust taken off and the dpf cleaned!! Total bills including maintenance and wear and tear amounts to 4000 euro over a period of 40 months. It does however, appear to be running good now with 230000km on the clock and has never left us stranded. I can only assume the previous owner neglected it. It has been a useful wagon, carrying our famly, camping gear, 500kg bags of wood and house renovations materials here in N.Spain, but, It has put me off buying another car. After an argument with my wife over this point, I went out and bought a low capacity motorbike that is simple to diagnose and fix. I'm done with throwing money at this car. It wil be kept, until it dies as it is nearly paid for and will be worth very little come px time.
I have owned my 2006 Mercedes e320cdi sport for over seven years. I have had one breakdown due to a clip on a fuel line. So I'm hanging on to it. It's not worth much, but it's so reliable and comfortable to drive. I also own a 1971 MGB GT, simple and reliable.
I´ve just bought a 22 year old Ford Focus with only 90k km for under 1000€. I am easily able to change all belts, seals, oil/filters and clutch at home without any PC I would need for newer cars. Why should i buy something for 20k or more that is not as big and easily do work on? There are so many electronics nobody needs which add weight and load on your alternator and you need special tools and knowledge for everything. I will always chose an old reliable car and engine over a new car with way too many stuff that can fail. If f. e. AC should fail or some other electronics at my old Focus there won´t be any warning that forces my car to stop working until i drive to a dealership to get that error deleted and repaired for way too much money. I´ve seen that happen to my sister and my dad with their new Audis and it happend to our brandnew trucks at work more than once.
It's no wander that people are keeping older vehicles when manufacturers are producing awful products such as the wet belt system and our only vehicle manufacturer jlr with the ingenium powertrain and poor parts backup, and I am shure that the continental manufacturers are capable of producing g their own variety of badly made stuff. To me it would seem that the mid 80s to mid 90s produced the best tradeoff in technology, reliability and diy ability along with durability Great vid
My 20 year old fiat scodo van I have owned for 11 years just passed its mot with just a ball joint to fix. It gets a hard life being driven up rough rural roads. Constant stop start. my mechanic said the vans they are making now wont last twenty years. ive got a few mates with newer fiat Doblos who have changed all the springs on a five year old van. I have only had one crack in 11 years. I am sticking with this as long as I can.
My every day car is a 2004. 2L petrol Honda CRV which I had converted to run on Auto Gas (LPG clean and green currently £0.95p per Litre), now with 148K miles on the clock, 40K miles on it when acquired and converted, have had the car for 14 years, and passed MOT every year, I do my own maintenance to make sure I am not ripped off by the main dealer or other crooks, the following are the only things I have needed to do over the years, (changed oil and oil filter regularly, changed the air filter when inspected and needed, changed the fuel filter twice, brake pads and fluid, engine coolant, alternator belt, (it has a timing CHAIN), tyres and battery, 2 rear side light bulbs, wiper blades, still on the original exhaust with no leaks, all these parts would not even be the cost of one years depreciation of a much newer car, I also pull a 16ft caravan on holidays in the summer, the car has never let me down and I am looking forward to my next 148K miles ,so why would I buy a much newer car with needless gadgets and sensors and be forced to use a main dealer for repairs which probably would be numerous?
Great video. I am a little OCD o created a chronological spreadsheet of all regular and preventative maintenance for my 2012 Nissan X Trail for the next 3 years. It is a workhorse and perfect for our needs. I had a new car a while back and it cost me £20K over 5 years in depreciation.
Key points for me as a private buyer are threefold: firstly, the cost of new cars has become restrictive to most, simply put, cars are probably 25% too expensive in the UK. Secondly wages simply haven't haven't kept pace yet taxes have remained stubborn, and lastly, how do we future proof a purchase? The government government wants electric power yet infrastructure isn't keeping pace, EV's are hemorrhaging values so potential buyers are reluctant to commit, and finally, if we do risk our hard earned and overly taxed earnings on an EV, and the battery fails in 10 years, we find ourselves with either an enormous bill or a written off car. Just my thoughts.
Yes, they've thought of this too, there was a consultation to twart this by pricing old cars off the road through "safety", "vunerability" "polution" and "parts". The insurance companies are in line to price you off the road for these reasons then when that runs out they'll reduce fuel production and drive the price up..
11yr old VW, 9yr old Ford. Both only cover 4-5k per year with oil changes annually. Keep an eye on cambelts, filters and braking systems.🤞 No plans to shell out on something that will depreciate like a rocket and give me hassle in the meantime.
1996 Honda Civic EJ6 here, 28 years now. I am 32 years old. Has an absolutely reliable engine, i can repair many things on my own, it's lowered and with some wider wheels and its low weight of shy over 1000kg it's an absolute blast to drive and beats many new cars in pure driving pleasure! It has no AC, don't need that... just a heater and a radio - all u need.If i want a PC (which some new cars are...) i sit at home in front of it but when i drive, i simply want to enjoy driving. Plan to keep it for as long as it lasts or as long as these stupid governments allow me to keep driving it.
Love the Chanel. I plan to keep my VWAG 2019 Seat Tarraco 2.0l 190hp Euro6 diesel for as long as I can afford to fix it. You can’t get this engine anymore, sadly. New cars are crap cutting corners to pay for decades of corruption, which have now come to light
Every year, the car manufacturers make a point to not listen to the consumer. Time and time again we demand that we want a simple, inexpensive car with no unnecessary features. But instead they only listen to the rich whales and idiots who sign on finance on pointless cars that won't last 5 years. This is especially prevalent on electric vehicles, but is now infecting new ICE cars, too. Honestly, how hard can it be to design a basic car that is legal and follows safety standards? The next thing is that young people have completely given up on society and have nearly zero chance of gaining a license. Even if they do; they can't afford the insurance scam. This means that it's only old people buying cars or business owning fleets. This is completely the car manufacturers fault. They bent their knee to government overregulation and ignored that mass majority of people. This is especially prevalent with VW. Literally described as "the people's vehicle" and they kept rising the prices after faking their emissions test. Let them rot!
No No to an electric car or even a new car Over £1000 to install a power point for starters. Absolutely boring to drive. I never use the radio as i like absolute concentration when i drive. I like to hear an engine not pop music and verbal scwitter and senceless ads. New cars have too many bells and whistles now and touch screens that are dangerous to use on the go. The dash lights up like a Christmas tree. In a curtisy car to day while having a small service done to my tdci focus, its a toytota whats it something ?? Its awful ,!! Even going along the road its beeping and ding dongs all the time and a fancy display looks like a pin ball table. The government is trying to force us off the road from ice to electric and its not going to happen .people dont want them,way too expensive and badly thought out infrastruture . ill stick to my 5th 07 focus tdci untill it drops currently on 176,000 miles reliable miles . 4.minutes to fill up for almost 600 miles. Soon there will be massive unemployment, all the manufacturing to do with motoring from garages to fuel manufacture and supply chains just to push thier electric dream. You know what you can do with them, leave them in the fields with all the other 1000's of unsold cars .😂😢
One problem is, they are delaying register and delivery of new ICE until January to avoid the EV related fines There will be an increase of ICE sales in January
8 year old car owner. (Genesis v6). 80,000miles. I have been actively shopping for a new or newer car. Nothing wrong with my Genny but I'd like to change it up. I tried a 3 cylinder turbo GM model. Yikes!. I loved the body and the interior but I just can't get past a tiny turbo 3 powering a full size car. If it had a naturally aspirated 4 cyl. I would have bought it. Instead I'm keeping my Genny. A 3 cyl belongs on a motorcycle, In fact there are bikes with bigger engines than that GM model had.
Our family has 3 vehicles all over 20 years old. Our local garage says as long as we can get the parts we can keep them going . Also for not a lot of money.
The main irritant about (some) old cars is that they don't meet some emissions laws. So you are penalised for driving in London or Birmingham. This is not a problem unless you live in those places....
We had a 17 year old Ford Focus Mk II. We spent thousands on it keeping it running, even after oil got into the cooling system we had it fixed, even after we had to have the cylinder head replaced due to spark plugs being rusted into the metalwork and needing to be replaced. Sadly it died of a cracked cylinder that was too pricey to fix.
(Embedded Automotive Engineer here) - My number 1 reason: The ability for manufacturers and government agencies (for "the_greater_G00D") to remotely turn your car's PCM 0FF.
The simple answer for us and I imagine for many like us, is the cost. The only way we'd be able to afford a new car is through a loan, or better still through a lease deal. We run two older cars, one was about 2 years old and we got it on a lease deal. The balloon at the end of the lease was far less than the car's resale value, so we paid that and kept it. We have a workplace scheme, geared towards EV/hybrids, but when you tailor a relatively lower to medium range choice with a moderate specification, the monthly spend is significant. We can't justify it, our 2011 and 2018 cars don't warrant much of a spend and suit our needs and they do involve clocking up average miles each year. I have not sentimentality about older cars and I'd quite happily entertain a hybrid. I wish I had a little more tech in my car, particularly adaptive cruise which my partner's car has. Ideal for the roadworks on the M1, the average speed cameras on the A9 between Perth and Inverness and perfect for many roads these days. We do make quite a few regular long trips, one is 7 to 8 hours which we can do without having to worry about stops in either of our cars, I'm not convinced the EV infrastructure and real-world range is quite there yet.
I've owned a 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe 7 Seater SUV from new. It's a manual transmission. So is my 2018 F-type. Both have the right level of tech and complication. Dials and knobs. I think that's the golden era of modern cars and I plan on keeping them until they're no more.
We in Africa,low income made us use older cars ,but they are better in terms of cheaper parts and repair costs,and experience mechanics specialist mastered their system. No issues of recall or company design defects,they are cars used and comprehend on their system and maintenance -Rufai
I own a 2007 lexus is 250. Its got heated/ventilated seats, memory seats, sat nav, touchscreen dvd player, mark Levinson 14 speaker stereo, retracting steering wheel, its super comfortable, extremely reliable, ulez compliant, and i don't owe a penny on it. I was considering a lexus rcf, but the tax, insurance, loan repayments, etc just made me think I'll just keep what I've got. Why anyone would even dream of buying a brand new car absolutely baffles me. £45,000 for a family suv? Sod that!
Of all car manufacturers today, only a small percentage will be around in ten years time. This means that most vehicles will have no tech support or updates.
Early this year my BMW E39 520d that I had for 17 years with 295k kms had a major malfunction. The engine block broke and coolant was going inside the cylinders. The repair was 7k € with a rebuild engine, much more than the comercial value. I cried but I had to let it go and I sold it for 500€. Later I bought a BMW F11 530d from 2014 for 20k € and I plan to keep it at least for 20 years.
1. PCP made new cars affordable for everyone. Which made having a brand new car less of a status symbol. 2. Manufacturers packing so much unwanted tech into cars. We don’t need or want it. Nothing dates a car quicker than tech. 3. EV market and massive depreciation igniting concerns. 4. Lack of reliability on some new cars 5. Interest rates are crazy. So PCP deals are now really expensive I used to buy new cars on PCP but the payments didn’t add up anymore. £600 a month? I can keep a Discovery on the road for a couple grand a year
I don't want an EV or a hybrid. I don't want fancy technology or screens. I want as simple technology as possible with knobs and dials.
Knobs and dials are more expensive than touchscreens and touchbuttons. Thats the whole reason.
I fully agree. I looked at replacing my car with a VW Golf but all the controls are on a screen rather than via knobs and dials. I can't see how you can safely drive a car while adjusting the controls on a screen.
Plenty of knobs in the U.K. government!
My 94 Jaaaaggg XJ6 / XJ40 4.0, 94 Volvo 940 estate 2.3 light pressure turbo & 92 Volvo 960 Mk1 saloon 3.0 are all alive and well 🤷🏻♂️
don't we all.....
I was missing some more reasons *NOT* to to buy a new car: No direct injection on petrol cars; no Add Blue on diesel cars; no nagging you should take a break; no start - stop that is designed to kill your engine; no lane departure control; no SIM card, microphone, accelerometers, camera, alcohol breathalyser (Dacia) that spy on you and send that to your car insurance; no electric doors that trap you in an accident; no over the top rev hanging (Renault); no beeps and boings when you go too fast; no message you should up shift and that will teach you to lug the engine that will destroy it; no hypocritical environmental finger waving on the dashboard; and last but not least *NO WOKENESS* and Bonus Pro TIP: no EV.
Love it. Spot on. 😎
No stupid ipad thing replacing switches.
Nothing wrong with direct injection as long as you look after the car and don't constantly do short trips, I've permanently disabled stop/start on my car. Don't care about shift indicator I just ignore it.
Wet timing belts, electric push button hand brake, hill start assist and parking cameras are all unnecessary.
the breathalyser is a GOOD idea, all cars should have them, I don't see that as a negative but then I don't drink and drive. You were doing quite well until went down the woke thing, that made no sense whatsover.
The economy is a disaster, the middle class is getting poorer & poorer, meanwhile cars are getting more & more expensive with more & more features we don’t need.
Its all part of the WEF/ UN Agenda 30. The Labour govt are obviously following that plan to the letter.
So called "safety features" that are actually there to spy on you and control you.
Or want.
And fuel options we don't want +the horrendous cost of motoring, tax and insurance rates are getting eye watering.
Some manufacturers force you to choose a higher trim level with the options you don't need or want before choosing the engine/transmission combination...VW group for instance.
I don't want to spend 5 minutes turning all the bings and bongs off every time I start the car!
Better have an older car and look after it then.
I don't know any car that requires that, maybe let's stick to facts rather than throw away nonsense?
@@jamiepops62 I drive a modern EV. I don’t do that either. 😁
@@triv7252 you've obviously not driven anything newer than July this year then!
@@triv7252 Stop-Start, 'Speed Assist' all require to be switched off every time you start the car. I can't be bothered to list all of the other things
I can predict hikes in taxes and more restrictions for old cars in future to force owners to get rid of them and buy new expensive junk. Stand strong people, don’t let them do it. System always pursuit its own benefits, not people’s.
New EV? Expensive to buy and 50% depreciation in a year. Forget it!
They've already done it with the road tax, everything being hammered to force us to buy utter garbage EVs
I drive Toyota Camrys for a reason. We have a 2000 and a 2005 Camry, and I intend to drive them indefinitely. As long as they run and are safe, I'll keep driving them.
Camrys from 2019 are nonsense cars. Its like they ruined them on purpose.
You can run into problems with getting the spare parts eventually. But still, I'm with you on this.
Keep a keen eye on the floorpan. I recently had to get rid of my ultra reliable 2000 Toyota Yaris Verso 1.3 vvti, due to the floor rusting near to the rear suspension mounts! It would have cost a few hundred quid to get it through an MOT but, I was told that it would probably need redoing again the following year! I now have a 2017 car with lots of gadgets and gizmos, which I don't like. In hindsight, I really should have looked for another old Toyota!
My dad - who had been a car dealer for many years, always told me not to ever buy a new car - but to get something 3-5 years old that had been properly serviced, then look after it and keep it on the road until it became uneconomic to repair. My previous car was a 2004 Skoda Fabia that I bought in 2008 and owned for 14 years. I think that's the best way to do it, especially if you are on a lowish income.
What is properly serviced. I bought 3 year old Z4 E89 at 29k miles, first dealer stamp was 21k miles. Was that it's first oil change? I don't know. Almost criminal not to have had earlier change say at least at 10k. I would have thought new car warranty would be first service free at say 10k.
He was a wise man……
@@flybobbie1449 so you bought a car that you deem criminally under serviced. It’s not even been serviced within the manufacturer service interval but you still bought it.
Yea, myself and brother came to same conclusion in the 90s.
Then in the 2000s he got a new prestige car. I said wtf. He said " it's OK for you you've a high status job. I ain't. The new car makes me feel better "
I couldn't argue with that, even though he was far wealthier than myself.
If the person that bought the car new kept it they could have driven it for 18 years. That's not bad for them either. The key is whatever you buy just keep it till it's uneconomical to repair.
#1 engeneered obsolescence
#2 right to repair
#3 20 options i dont want
#4 all look the same
#5 start stop feature
#6 quality
#7 price
Not to mention data mining.
And LED lights, just no.
Lane assist.
Modules,modules, and more modules. Oh and don`t forget the sensors.
If you watch O'rileys autos, he has proved that certain manufacturers embed fault lights/codes to appear at certain mileages, whether or not there is an actual fault. It's fraud straight from the factory!
PS. My Skoda Yeti has knobs I can turn and buttons I can push; they don't detract from my driving like a touch screen would.
Great car, I really like the Yeti👍. I have a 2015 Octavia and love it. I have had it 9 years and it has been very reliable. The new Skoda interiors are hideous, with a huge ipad screen without proper knobs and switches, which are so easy and intuitive to use. If I was going to upgrade my car (which I’m not) it would be for a previous model (ie 1-2 years old) Skoda Superb. New cars hold zero interest for me.
I got rid of my A6 Avant. I just couldn’t live with the touch screen, even after 12 months it wasn’t intuitive. I’ve now got a Mercedes with real buttons.
@@redfilfil a friend has a 2023 Tiguan which he loves apart from the screen. He detests having to piddle about on the screen to change the Havc or change the radio station, he can’t get on with the haptic buttons on the wheel either.
Yeti is +15 year old car. There were less stupid people at commanding post of automotive industry back then.
Baffles me, and many many others, why they binned it, and brought out those ridiculous characterless SUV's with instantly forgettable names beginning with the letter K
2008 Volvo XC70 is my daily ride. Sick to death of catchphrases like "Sustainability" and "Game Changer"
For me there are two reasons for me not to buy new now.
1) Speed assist installed by law
2) the cars I would like to own and suit me are in the higher car tax bracket.
So will stick with what I have.
Absolutely spot on! Cars should be for getting from A to B quickly, safely and reliably - not as computer information and entertainment centres, which are expensive to install and dangerous to operate when the car is in motion. Manufacturers should in my opinion be liable for every road accident which has been caused by inadequate concentration in driving.
Cars are about making you poor and only just being more convenient than public transport. Nothing else.
Older cars are usually more comfortable too. The most relaxing car to drive was my 1991 230e Mercedes
Indeed ! seats especially , mostly all but premium new cars have awfoul stiff construction seats along with poor side bolsters , like they want you to drive less ..
Yes i have a Mercedes Kompressor 180 c
From 2003 Leather seats comfortable quiet elegant you can drive 10 hours No Problem
mine was a Valve 240 saloon. Close second, and surprising to me, was a Nissan Bluebird. Both really good cars. The Volvo died, but I wish I had kept the Bluebird!
My Citroen BX. Possibly the most comfortable car ever made.
the new rates of VED could be another reason why people are not buying new cars
On some it's an extra £5.5k. If the dealer can't take the hit and the customer isn't willing to stump up the extra the sale just won't happen. On a £25k. It's 20% VAT and then another 20% again in V.E.D. £11k of the purchase is going to the government. Never mind the £15k fine if the sell ICE and they haven't sold the quota of EV.
YES AGREED but all this only applies to the first year after which it is a standard flat rate of £190.00 right across the board YES even for electric vehicles so the bottom line then is why buy brand new I know I wouldn't but I can't help but feel for both car makers and dealers when new car sales start falling if they haven't done so already all just to please the greedy Government we have currently in power and of course their plans for net zero doesn't help
@jameslowry1 probably basically end sales what the government are doing. The 2030 ban may not be here yet but people wanting to buy ICE brand new have basically been priced out. The government don't want us driving. And they make the rules.
@@chrishart8548 You're simply making stuff up. There is no second 20% VED. For a typical car in the £25000 range it's either £210 or £270 based on emissions.
@@jameslowry1 Are you sure about that? I understood that the extra amount of VED is paid for the first 5 years.
The biggest problem is it really pisses off the government who then hike my road tax every year. It now my far my biggest single expense, put of all proportion.
Worse yet, older cars do not have a big brother device which spies on you.
Road tax in itself is all right but they don't use the money for improving the roads and repairing pot holes.
@@RobertKlok I take it you haven't seen how it's doubling and tripling and more from next year onwards with options to hike it ever single year?
We had a dealership( I'm now retired ) and I would pick cars I wanted to buy from certain customers when they decided to sell them. I have always kept vehicles long as I buy and enjoy them for very specific reasons. My current vehicle I use daily is soon approaching 20 years old and I love it just as much as the day I for it used from the original owner.
Main reason for me - stop start. If i want engine to stop, i will stop it MYSELF
I disconnected the stop-start on my golf 7.
There's a connector at the positive terminal. Just pull it out,and it fools the computer. It can't read the battery condition 👍
Something that is never mentioned is that as a car audio enthusiast modern cars are dogshit. If you can't change the headunit you limit what upgrades are possible. Many new cars put so many controls on that abomination of a touch panal that changing it is very difficult or impossible.
I’ve fitted Alpine Double Din Sat Nav touchscreen head units to both our cars, they are fantastic & really modernise both cars which are 2005 & 2015.i also now have powered phone cradles for online Maps as the head unit maps don’t give live traffic information.
Moving ipad....data mining.
Just run it all separately?
But seriously, they are hoping all forms of car enthusiast just dies out.
A much bigger market than ICE guys is amateur motorsport & track driving.
They would sell a lot more EVs if weekend racers had reassurances that their passion will continue or even supported.
But they won’t because secretly they just want it to go away.
Already happened with motorbikes and all forms of Motorsport. The government and environmentalists do not see a need for any non essential use of fossil fuels or electricity. Refining will continue for decades, and someone somewhere has to use all the grades of fuel from butane and ethanol to bitumen etc.
Also NIMBY rights have prevented planning permission succeeding for any new sports or motorsport venues, but apparently NIMBY rights will be extinguished to allow millions of new houses everywhere for millions more boat migrants.
@ and boat people are content with electric scooters and living in urban hovels.
It’s almost like they intentionally brought in people with lower expectations in life. But surely a government would never do that on purpose 😮
Maintenance is the secret to keeping older cars. Do not abuse them when driving and they could last for twenty or more years.. One of my daughters had a 2002 Honda Accord with over 300,000 troubled free miles and the original engine and transmission. She traded it in for a 2024 Honda CRV because she. Moved cross country and needed more cargo space
It’s a a Honda, keep good oil in it and drive the ever loving piss out of it. She’ll thank you.
I’ve owned 7 civics (mainly D series and a couple of B series’s powered cars). All of them modified and driven very, very hard.
I haven’t had a single mechanical failure for any of them!
Same goes for 90s Toyotas.
2000 Grand Cherokee 4 litre 295K kms and we "love" it. Cheers from West Canada
I live in Ireland.
My car is a 2004 Saab 93 convertible.
Still powerful and economical. And supremely reliable.
It just passed the stringent annual inspection.
An equivalent replacement will cost a lot of money.
The old car 🚗 does not involve the pollution of manufacturing a new one.
Currently cars are built with a limited life cycle . Our car should still be good for a long journey.
And in summer the open too is worth it.
The soft roof of the Saab is as good as a saloon in winter, no compromise
Me too. Good man.
Nice!
People aren’t saying NO to new cars they are saying no to overly expensive, overly complex, unrepairable outside of a dealer new cars.
yes, the day a manufacturer sells a car that has the basics in it and not all this ridiculous bells stuff will be the day they start selling cars again in any quantity.
Spot on
Bang on correct. Dacia are about the only manufacturer that seem to listen, but even they're having to obey the new rules now too as to what is required by law
People aren't buying new cars as they are far too expensive. Since Covid new cars and vans have become out of the range of most people. they de -value at £2,500 to about £3,000 per year. A new car is a luxury most people can't afford.
I have a 2014 Skoda Yeti - why would I want to have anything else ? It's a perfect car and I LOVE it. I plan to keep it till I can't drive anymore. I would accept nothing in it's place.
Until the coded fuel injector on the 1.6 TDi engine fails. Upto £1k to replace and re-code just one with a genuine new Bosch injector. Ask your Skoda dealer for a quote. Post 2010 diesels in general are a money pit and full of built-in obsolescence and Euro emissions guff. The older VW PD diesels 2007-2010 are generally more reliable and cheaper to maintain - 300K+ miles not uncommon - and no coded injectors, no DPFs.
Hence theyre expanding ulez in lots more cities now to force your hand, and increasing the road tax astronomically each year going forward from next year
It's vile
@@dcasteaux9181 My now nearly 20 year old minter of a Fabia vRS for instance. 149,000 miles of trouble free motoring, that still puts a smile on my face. Actually my best friend too! ❤
Hi , I watch a video yesterday about the total sales of electric vehicles and the total sold was only 17% and not the 22% recommended by the government in the UK . The fined imposed to car manufacturers due to that lower sales of electric vehicles is near a billion pounds . The total shortfall of electric vehicles was about 65/66000 vehicles . That's a fine of £15 , 000 for each vehicle . That fine is only the one year and what will the fines be when next year's comes round . Either prices go up to cover the fines or car manufacturers move abroad and or go bust in the UK . Stalantis closed Vauxhall and Nissan give the Sunderland Nissan factory 12 months to close . Nissan are going bust in the next 14 months apparently if things don't change for them . The money goes straight to the UK government .Investigate for yourself and see what you find out .👍
The governments are sucking money from the companies to finance war...
I paid off my mortgage, and I still can’t afford a new car - mine is 20 years old. We all need to leave the UK and try somewhere else
Like millions of others if I was in the same lucky position I would sell up and move out. I dont like living in New Mogadishu or Gaza.
Please come to Tennessee USA! There are no car inspections or smog tests here. We can drive what we want! If you buy a small patch of rural land you can live in whatever you want on that land!
@@Jsn1180 Would love to.
@@Jsn1180 Tennessee is awesome! Best accents, chill af, guns everywhere and ppl are poor enough to keep it real! If i was moving to USA i'd move there.
You seem to be implying (maybe subconsciously) that ‘older cars’ are always breaking down and are expensive to fix.
I’ve been driving for 43 years, racking up tens of thousands of miles per year.
I’ve only had 2-3 “breakdowns” in that time, and with the assistance of the RAC, got them going again within minutes.
I driven cars from the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and 2000’s.
Cars from the 90’s and 2000’s are so reliable and cheap to maintain, parts are available and most patten part are as good (if not better) than OEM.
I recently had front and rear discs and pads done at a garage for £238.99. That’ll last a good 3+ years before I have to get them done again.
A full service only costs £203.44. a basic service for £152.54.
Yes I could do it myself, but I’m fortunate enough to get it done locally whilst I’m at work.
(I’ve had this car for 10 years and have nearly 200K on it, and it still starts on the button)
Another issue not covered is the higher VED on newer cars and the all the intrusive nanny state tech in cars like lane assist, AEB and now speed warnings and limiters. Cars constantly beeping and important functions like AC buried in a touchscreen. Increasingly large wheels with low profile tyres is also off-putting.
I was next to an Audi SUV.
235 45 21 tyres.
Wouldn't fancy buying a set of those.
My two cars are jointly 48 years old. Today I'll drive 400 miles to France in a 2005 ML with 160k returning on Thursday. It will do 2,000 miles by early January. Tesco 99 Momentum fuel and regular infusion of the best oil. Never let more than three things fail without fixing. An excellent North Yorkshire Mercedes specialist for maintenance.
I live in the Highlands of Scotland, I drive a 2011 Freelander 2 with 145,000 on the clock. Not cheap to run but essential where I live. My mechanic says hang on to it as it should last another 10 years if regularly serviced. I see loads of old Land Rovers on the road plus most of my neighbours drive older cars.
The most reliable modern LR they made, that Peug engine is a belter.
Add in the luxury car tax. People trying to be persuaded to buy EVs, restricted sales of petrol and diesel. The stated unnecessary complexity of modern cars etc. Neighbour has a 5 year old Quashqai. Done 5000 miles. Ad blue sensor fails. £1100 to replace! Seam on a seat split due to poor workmanship, £750. Tyre pressure valve £160. Battery £120. His old focus cost hardly anything to maintain and he could do everything himself.
The proportion of the population for whom buying a new car is even a financial option has decreased as real incomes have declined. Then there’s the group who have woken up to the madness of PCP. Then there’s people like me who can afford a new average price car but don’t like getting ripped off in principle, think old cars are better, and are enthusiastic enough to wield a spanner. Also, anyone whose worked on cars knows they’re pretty much the same and haven’t changed in years apart from the infotainment and are not worth what is being asked. (20yr old Mini, 5yr old Jazz)
20% VAT is the reason I'm never going to buy another new car.
Is VAT new?
Yes 20% is tax added to new cars in the UK, which you instantly lose when purchasing a new car, it's a fifth of the cars value........
In the uk these are the vehicles the government is pricing off the roads with high road tax , ulez etc ..
It's still cheaper to pay up for those taxes than what you'd lose on depreciation.
@@ghunt9146correct but it's absolutely dispicable vile tactics
20% of your New cars cost goes straight to our government in VAT! So always minus 20% off the new price.
Beyond fluid changes, annual Fluid Film application or some other lanolin coating for the underbody is the most important maintenance you can do for your vehicle if you live in an area where rust is an issue, but probably fewer than 1% of car owners do this. Engines and transmissions on older cars can sometimes be replaced, but repairing or replacing the frame, especially on a unibody car is usually not feasible or is cost prohibitive.
I agree. I have a 15 year old Volvo. There was light corrosion on the rear crossmember that was mentioned on a couple of MOT's, but the tester told me it was nothing to worry about. He suggested Lanoguard. This year I jacked the car up, wirebrushed everything, then coated everything with Evaporust, jet washed that off. Then sprayed Jenolite rust converter everywhere. Waited a couple of days and then sprayed Lanoguard everywhere. The underside is no rust free and will stay that way with minimal maintenance. I did the same with a 1995 Hilux Surf that I had until recently, it was as solid as a rock underneath.
@@VisorView I use Fluid Film because it $8 or $9/can at Menard's in my area. I never wash the underbody here in my suburb of St Paul, MN and even my exhaust hangers are still pristine. It does work even on steel exhaust pipes better toward the rear of the car because there is less heat. The body is completely rustless on the rocker panels and doors, but there is about 2 square inches of surface rust on the frame from the previous owner. I have never sanded or wire brushed or washed anything. I just keep applying at least 7 cans of Fluid Film lanolin undercoating every year to prevent further oxidation and Fluid Film been extremely effective at that.
I have a BMW 4 series (manual) on a 21 plate. Just out of warranty and took it in for a gear box selector seal which was weeping at a cost of £400. I pointed out the low milage for year (21k) and the cause is unlikely to be driver cause. The person I spoke to pointed out I should have extended the warranty! I pointed out I should have bought a quality product. Similar experience with Land Rover.
In the end we learn from these experiences which compromise the brand long term.
Some of it can be dealerships pushing their luck. When my 2005 'X' type went in for what was probably it's 3rd service I was advised that there was an oil leak, how much ? I remember the price was above £1 K. I didn't get the job done and when I parted with it at 17 years old it still didn't leave a drop of oil in the drive.
I have a 1996 Suzuki Sierra that I've owned for 25 years, and I have never had a problem with it. I took it around Australia, and now I use it to navigate around town. Currently, its resale value is even higher than that of many EVs.
Driving 2012 Honda Jazz.
Super reliable never any issues.
Cheap Insurance.
No corrosion.
Always passes MOT.
Economical.
No useless irritating tech to annoy/distract/spy on me.
Why would I buy a new car?
That is a keeper! My Jazz is from 2004 and still going strong, although corrosion is now slowly creeping in.
I think you have covered key points. A heavily regulated industry has the manufacturers hands tied. Sadly, customer requirements are no longer the priority. Back to the future.
@@PabloT4571 They are busy legislating everyone off the road….except themselves of course. They want you in their 15 minute cities, controlled and confined.
Australian here - I've no emotional attachment to my old early 2010's VW Polo (and indeed it's just one more DSG failure from kicked out of the garage and replaced... with a used car)
the reason I haven't purchased a replacement is
The high prices of new cars that is rapidly increasing, for example a 4th generation Suzuki Jimny , which was a low/mid budget car is selling for 5 to 10 thousand dollars more at the dealers than when released in 2018 and significantly over the importer's recommended price .
Here in Australia a number of late model used cars are actually selling for MORE than the same model new and this isn't just collectors and prestige cars - to stick with the above example a 2 year old Suzuki Jimny will often list for several thousand over the new price and that's above the higher dealer's price not above the cheaper importers recommended drive away price for a new one.
The long delay between signing on the line for a new car and receiving it, several months to as long as a year - some buyers have had their order's canceled as by the time the car ships the price has increased significantly (see point one) and they are unwilling, or unable, to pay the extra amount over the original price (and yes they have been paying finance from the moment they signed the contract, and dealers have a long line of people who will pay a premium over the dealer's retail price to buy that unit so as to jump the queue even if it's level of trim and accessories that they don't really want.
Increased lock in to high maintenance cost on new cars some leases here require dealership services which can be more than double that of a independent qualified workshop (they get a loophole around consumer laws as the vehicle is legally therirs for the period of the lease) - I was quoted "genuine" windscreen wiper replacements at three times the OEM price, a new "genuine" battery at double that from an auto electrical retailer....
Why will I replace my Polo with a used older car? - I just need it as a glorified shopping trolly it rarely goes on main roads, highways, or expressways/freeways so mostly low (sub 50kph and my local area is about to drop to 30kph limit on urban roads) driving of short (10km or less) trips. so something basic engineering wise for ease of doing my own maintenance and not really needing the full infotainment suite and 5 star safety suite that's designed to have you survive a 220kph+ head on crash on a highway (ironically my highway driving is actually on an old mechanically basic motorcycle (Moto Guzzi) that I can spanner myself)...
I'd love to get an older Japanese basic Kei car/van/truck like Honda ACTY or Subaru Sambar or ideally an old Daihatsu Midget II but importing them privately and getting them on the road a long, protracted and often frustrating operation.
Modern cars are generally very reliable, but I believe that the manufacturers are getting cleverer at designed obsolescence. The example I choose is plastic can chain tensioners. These seem to last a very predictable time (longer than the first owner) and then often require major dismantling to change. This gives me the impression that modern cars are generally a ticking time bomb.
I drive a 1998 Volvo, servicing is cheap and easy, even a cambelt change is straight forward. I know when I need the windscreen wipers, and guess what, there's a switch witch I can operate without to much effort. The same applies to the lights, I can tell when it's getting dark and the light switch is accessible from the drivers seat. And don't get me started on park assist, I learnt to drive my car in both directions.
We used to own a hand-me-down Golf from 1992 but it was in terrible condition. We had no other viable option than to sell it. Hopefully the new owner can make it run for a few more years. Other than that, I don't plan on owning another car, ever. They're way too expensive for a normal person's salary. I do plan on getting a motorcycle though, I will buy it new and plan on keeping it until I die (which may or may not happen soon haha). It's a SUZUKI so I know it will last forever with meticulous maintenance.
Had a Peugeot 2008 on holiday, as a hire car. What a disaster! Everything is controlled from an iPad style screen…..when it works. By the time you’ve fiddled with it to turn the heater down, you’ve almost slammed the car in front. Then it locked up, with the radio at full volume and had to be taken back to the rental people. Give me my old Honda any day!
7 year old GOLF GTI from new. Physical buttons, no driver aids and can do 500 miles on the motorway. Used to upgrade to a new car every ten years but have decided that I will never buy another car.
New cars are: too big externally for their interior size, so much more awkward to park, and drive on small roads; have smaller windows and bigger blind spots; have far more complex and expensive 'driver aids', which I don't want and would switch off; use touchscreens, which are as dangerous as mobile phones if driving; don't have manual handbrakes, which I insist on; don't have spare wheels - ditto; have automatic gearboxes - I prefer manuals; cost a fortune to buy and in depreciation. So why would I buy new?
Cost is undoubtedly the most significant reason, but one thing I've not seen mentioned is the SIZE of most new cars. Manufacturers are culling smaller models from their lineups all the time, even as the remaining ones get wider and heavier. The UK's road network, in particular, isn't suited to the big boats that the manufacturers want to sell us.
And the real reason sales are so bad and will get a lot worse, are the fines.
£15000 per car for every ICE car sold over the 80% allowance, pushed on suppliers by the government for not selling enough EV's (that very few people want or can afford).
You know, because of the CO2 (the gas of life)
I think it has to be 20% EV's, this year and by 2030 the government require 80% of cars sold to be EV's, so consequently orders are being taken for next year and from October this year they have hit there limit of 80% ICE cars sales.
Next year they will probably hit that limit in August/September as the percentage of EV's that have to be sold will go up...
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to highlight this important matter. We plan to drive our old cars indefinitely. We just keep on maintaining them. When the time comes for engine rebuilds we do that. By doing that we also keep mechanics and motor engineers in business. We need them and their skills to survive well into the future. Naturally the general maintenance is DIY at home, but we need the specialists as well. Our big problem in South Africa is lack of parts for our older cars. With our BMW's it is easy, we get it from BMW dealers if necessary. With our Volkswagens and Alfa Romeos we import parts from UK or Germany where necessary. Delivery is usually very quick and not a problem at all. There are lots of joys of driving older cars and they get a lot of attention from petrolheads. People just love a mint older car or classic car.
Had company cars for the last 20 years, just took delivery of a new 3 series 330e m sport £58k + vat, thank god for company cars.
Very solid and reasonable arguments, well researched - it´s by far the best video about this topic. No fancy assumptions and far fetched fantasies - just the real reasons taken from real life. Thank you.
Manufacturers have taken engineered obsolescence to new levels. Vehicle reliability after the warranty expires can be poor and the initial purchase price can be astronomical. When depreciation is factored in, a well cared for used vehicle makes sense.
I took a chance & went ahead & purchased a 2O23 Sportage for my better half: two-and-a-half years later, we're impressed with its reliability, build quality, performance, mpg, suspension, etc. No regrets!!! My ride is a 2012 Sorento: still going strong!!!
Guy I work with has a 1.6 Turbo Auto AWD Petrol Sportage it does 23mpg lol
It’s very difficult to purchase a car in 2024 because of the pressure placed on dealers to sell these ridiculous electric
toy cars, so people keep hold of their icu cars. Its a complex market place when governments interfere and place
tariffs on dealers who can’t sell evs. Dealers all over the uk are going bust due to this crazy system. Eventually it
Will sort itself out but sadly that will not save the uk car industry. America will lead the common sense fight and
Ev’s will be left to rot in the stock yards where they sit in their tens of thousands all over the world.
Our car will be 19 years old next year (Citroen Berlingo) Like a lot of people say, just can`t afford to change it . We have had it from new (Cost new £9500). The only trouble is the road tax is now £310.00 per year. Taxed for taking care and looking after our car. The government don`t want older cars on the road and will tax you out of them onto a bicycle.
Here, due to high tax E200k, when new in 2006, costs 71,000 euro. Now a new E200 in 2024 costs 77,000 euro.
Bought the E200k in 2006 for 5530 euro. Had worn cam adjustors and elongated timing chain two months ago.
Could have replaced only cam adjustors and timing chain for about 1000 euro. But decided to put in the 2400 euro to change out about 30 items from big to medium and to tiny ones.
Items are crankshaft sensor, thermostat, top coolant hose, cooler gasket, two rear hub bush, chain tension, belt tensioner, bush, 5 seals, bell housing gasket, one used rear drive shaft, 4 new drive shaft boots, both rear wheel arch cover, two adjustable rear camber arm plus few other items.
I think the new engine mounts and transmission mount make the drive so much better even if the old mounts had sunk only by about 5mm.
Why do this at 1/2 the car worth ?. Well, keep it for next 5 years, the body had no rust, the road tax is only 60 euro and insurance about 100 euro for 10,000km of yearly use. 🎉🎉🎉🎉😂. Regards.
Typo correction: bought this E200k in 2022 for 5530 euro, this recent repair 2400 euro. This car is now worth 4300 euro. Painted for 1000 euro this Feb. 😂😅😅.
First year road tax is more than I generally paid for a car that goes up hills.
I just sold my 1991 MK2 VW that I had for 23 years and bought a 2016 Toyota Yaris with only 16k miles on it. I do all my own maintenance on it at half the recommended intervals because I want the car to last 20+ years.
Big problem about ķeeping a car long term in UK is ROAD SALT IN WINTER !! We do not have that in Thailand, many old good condition cars. ( from a Brit living here )
Enjoy Thailand bro, incl old cars! And keep safe!
My car is large German diesel SUV fully paid and depreciated. It does everything I want from a car and it’s relatively reliable. Any problems are quickly sorted at my local independent specialist. I usually spend around 1.5k every year in maintenance and servicing. If I keep it for another 10 years it will cost me 15k in maintenance. But if I buy a new car, especially an EV, I will lose 15k or more in a year and will have to pay high interest rates for the privilege. And all this for a new car that will do exactly what my current car does..No thank you I don’t want to be a fool.
I'm holding onto my 2016 Audi A3 until there's diesel shortages.
It's right on the edge of being just old enough to not be a pain in terms of stupid modern features.
It does require computer diagnostics, but there's still plenty that can be fixed easily.
No multimedia dashboard crap except the bare essentials - simple LCD screen that shows text and basic graphics.
Manual gearbox.
Very few noisy warnings - a fairly quiet seatbelt one and a very quiet and basic reversing one.
I may see if I can get a garage to disable those.
I can still move the car around a car park without needing to put on a seatbelt.
Everything is still physical knobs and buttons - very tactile, no stupid touch screen crap.
Like I said, right on the edge of where cars started to get too damn clever and annoying.
Above all else, solid as a rock with a rock solid service history from day one.
I know many wouldn't class it as an old car, but by the time I'm done with it, it will be.
I expect to keep it until it's no longer feasible.
The government can go do one trying to get me to buy an EV.
I see no reason why it won't last another 20 years with regular services.
I drive a 2013 Volvo V70 and I absolutely love it. If they were still made I buy a new one, probably an XC70, my dream car. As they don't, I plan to keep my V70 for as long as possible. Despite having the D4 diesel engine, road tax is still only £35/year, fuel consumption is well in excess of 40mpg, top speed is a claimed 137mph, 0 to 60 is about 8.5 seconds. With a full tank, range is over 600 miles. The seats are the most comfortable I've ever experienced, the carrying capacity is impressive, especially with the rear seats folded down plus there is no lip to lift things over. The permanent roof bars enable me to carry long and hefty lengths of timber.
All my servicing is carried out by a Volvo main dealer, it's not cheap but it's not overly expensive. She is now approaching 90,000 miles with no known problems, a check on Autotrader showed V70s offered for sale some in excess of 300,000 miles. So why change her?
In short it's a car that suits me, my lifestyle and my hobbies. I love her.
Great vid thanks, I bought my citroen picasso 1.6 exclusive brand new pre reg for £11,750 back in 2014 and still have it, I just can't believe the price of new cars and all the tech puts me off big time. Cheers
Hi, great content. I have a 05 plate car with 84,000 miles on the clock & had for five years. Everything you stated on old cars is totally true in my case, repair, replace most things myself & planning to keep her going as long as possible. Have also heard that some manufacturers are charging £200 plus an hour on these EV’s to repair them. I don’t spend that servicing my car a year. Your totally correct on new EV’s, to many gadgets to go wrong or as you stated totally unreliable & the manufacturer know that they have income coming soon to repair them. Looking forward to your next update. Merry Xmas to you all.
2002 Toyota Yaris Verso vvti Bought in 2006. By far THE best car I have ever owned. I'm nearly 80 and had a few! Reliability +++ No fancy gizmos or stupid noises. It can be converted to a van when needed. The radio has a tape player not even a CD player. The engine ticks over so quietly you could think it had stalled and it still has the original exhaust system.
Living in France.
New cars loaded with annoying "aids" and features that I dont want or need are unappealing.
Examples are lane departure, lane centering, driver attention, start stop, driver attention nagging, TPMS, tablet screens instead of knobs and switches etc
There have been many great improvements like ABS, ABD, air bags, cruise but from somewhere around the late 90s it started to become technology for its own sake,
There must be a market for good , simple , safe , economical cars that are pared back with all the BS removed
It's not simply "poor quality" - I remember the old italian and french cars, and even some british (Rover cough) - it's the extensive electronic systems and complexity of repairs.
My 94 Jaaaaggg XJ6 / XJ40 4.0, 94 Volvo 940 estate 2.3 light pressure turbo & 92 Volvo 960 Mk1 saloon 3.0 are all alive and well 🤷🏻♂️
@@newblackdog7827 light pressure turbo = max of +7.3psi in the intake manifold at full boost?. 🤔🤔🤔 Regards
Have a 2014 XC60 2.4 D5. Had it since 2016. Solid engine. Gearbox, buttons and knobs. Not an infotainment screen. Has everything I need other than keyless go. Local non Volvo garage services well. Not selling. Not trading. I love that car. Even has city-safe braking. Serviced it well. Suspension is overrated for our roads. Not depreciating
They are pricing the cars so the monthly payments plus deposit and final settlement sum , are so prohibitively large, that most people will end up leasing. Under this you pay endlessly for a car that you never own, and they want to keep you on that conveyor for life……. Remember , when you hand the car back, they still make money, selling it on the second hand market. The car industry want all the toys in their pram…. Think about how much you are paying for a metal box that most people sit in an hour a day at most….. it’s like buying a gold toilet….
For me it’s several things. The cost of living is just ridiculous. This month alone; I have spent £1500 on bills. That’s gas; water and electricity. And I don’t have an electric car, imagine how much more it would cost me in bills if I had to charge the damn thing?
My 2014 Renault Grand Scenic 1.6dci has been an electronic nightmare, throwing up parking brake warnings since we bought it. It has regualar tantrums over cruise contol, mass air flow sensors, glow plugs and injection warning lights. I have had all of the above looked at and even had the exhaust taken off and the dpf cleaned!! Total bills including maintenance and wear and tear amounts to 4000 euro over a period of 40 months. It does however, appear to be running good now with 230000km on the clock and has never left us stranded. I can only assume the previous owner neglected it. It has been a useful wagon, carrying our famly, camping gear, 500kg bags of wood and house renovations materials here in N.Spain, but, It has put me off buying another car. After an argument with my wife over this point, I went out and bought a low capacity motorbike that is simple to diagnose and fix. I'm done with throwing money at this car. It wil be kept, until it dies as it is nearly paid for and will be worth very little come px time.
I have owned my 2006 Mercedes e320cdi sport for over seven years. I have had one breakdown due to a clip on a fuel line. So I'm hanging on to it. It's not worth much, but it's so reliable and comfortable to drive.
I also own a 1971 MGB GT, simple and reliable.
I´ve just bought a 22 year old Ford Focus with only 90k km for under 1000€. I am easily able to change all belts, seals, oil/filters and clutch at home without any PC I would need for newer cars. Why should i buy something for 20k or more that is not as big and easily do work on? There are so many electronics nobody needs which add weight and load on your alternator and you need special tools and knowledge for everything.
I will always chose an old reliable car and engine over a new car with way too many stuff that can fail.
If f. e. AC should fail or some other electronics at my old Focus there won´t be any warning that forces my car to stop working until i drive to a dealership to get that error deleted and repaired for way too much money. I´ve seen that happen to my sister and my dad with their new Audis and it happend to our brandnew trucks at work more than once.
It's no wander that people are keeping older vehicles when manufacturers are producing awful products such as the wet belt system and our only vehicle manufacturer jlr with the ingenium powertrain and poor parts backup, and I am shure that the continental manufacturers are capable of producing g their own variety of badly made stuff. To me it would seem that the mid 80s to mid 90s produced the best tradeoff in technology, reliability and diy ability along with durability
Great vid
My 20 year old fiat scodo van I have owned for 11 years just passed its mot with just a ball joint to fix. It gets a hard life being driven up rough rural roads. Constant stop start. my mechanic said the vans they are making now wont last twenty years. ive got a few mates with newer fiat Doblos who have changed all the springs on a five year old van. I have only had one crack in 11 years. I am sticking with this as long as I can.
My every day car is a 2004. 2L petrol Honda CRV which I had converted to run on Auto Gas (LPG clean and green currently £0.95p per Litre), now with 148K miles on the clock, 40K miles on it when acquired and converted, have had the car for 14 years, and passed MOT every year, I do my own maintenance to make sure I am not ripped off by the main dealer or other crooks, the following are the only things I have needed to do over the years, (changed oil and oil filter regularly, changed the air filter when inspected and needed, changed the fuel filter twice, brake pads and fluid, engine coolant, alternator belt, (it has a timing CHAIN), tyres and battery, 2 rear side light bulbs, wiper blades, still on the original exhaust with no leaks, all these parts would not even be the cost of one years depreciation of a much newer car, I also pull a 16ft caravan on holidays in the summer, the car has never let me down and I am looking forward to my next 148K miles ,so why would I buy a much newer car with needless gadgets and sensors and be forced to use a main dealer for repairs which probably would be numerous?
Great video. I am a little OCD o created a chronological spreadsheet of all regular and preventative maintenance for my 2012 Nissan X Trail for the next 3 years. It is a workhorse and perfect for our needs. I had a new car a while back and it cost me £20K over 5 years in depreciation.
Key points for me as a private buyer are threefold: firstly, the cost of new cars has become restrictive to most, simply put, cars are probably 25% too expensive in the UK. Secondly wages simply haven't haven't kept pace yet taxes have remained stubborn, and lastly, how do we future proof a purchase? The government government wants electric power yet infrastructure isn't keeping pace, EV's are hemorrhaging values so potential buyers are reluctant to commit, and finally, if we do risk our hard earned and overly taxed earnings on an EV, and the battery fails in 10 years, we find ourselves with either an enormous bill or a written off car. Just my thoughts.
Yes, they've thought of this too, there was a consultation to twart this by pricing old cars off the road through "safety", "vunerability" "polution" and "parts". The insurance companies are in line to price you off the road for these reasons then when that runs out they'll reduce fuel production and drive the price up..
Driving my 1.9 TDI Passat of 24 years age and 320.000 miles on it till the day it disintegrates! Absolute Workhorse ❤
11yr old VW, 9yr old Ford. Both only cover 4-5k per year with oil changes annually.
Keep an eye on cambelts, filters and braking systems.🤞
No plans to shell out on something that will depreciate like a rocket and give me hassle in the meantime.
1996 Honda Civic EJ6 here, 28 years now. I am 32 years old. Has an absolutely reliable engine, i can repair many things on my own, it's lowered and with some wider wheels and its low weight of shy over 1000kg it's an absolute blast to drive and beats many new cars in pure driving pleasure! It has no AC, don't need that... just a heater and a radio - all u need.If i want a PC (which some new cars are...) i sit at home in front of it but when i drive, i simply want to enjoy driving. Plan to keep it for as long as it lasts or as long as these stupid governments allow me to keep driving it.
Love the Chanel. I plan to keep my VWAG 2019 Seat Tarraco 2.0l 190hp Euro6 diesel for as long as I can afford to fix it. You can’t get this engine anymore, sadly. New cars are crap cutting corners to pay for decades of corruption, which have now come to light
Every year, the car manufacturers make a point to not listen to the consumer. Time and time again we demand that we want a simple, inexpensive car with no unnecessary features. But instead they only listen to the rich whales and idiots who sign on finance on pointless cars that won't last 5 years.
This is especially prevalent on electric vehicles, but is now infecting new ICE cars, too.
Honestly, how hard can it be to design a basic car that is legal and follows safety standards?
The next thing is that young people have completely given up on society and have nearly zero chance of gaining a license. Even if they do; they can't afford the insurance scam. This means that it's only old people buying cars or business owning fleets.
This is completely the car manufacturers fault. They bent their knee to government overregulation and ignored that mass majority of people.
This is especially prevalent with VW. Literally described as "the people's vehicle" and they kept rising the prices after faking their emissions test.
Let them rot!
No No to an electric car or even a new car Over £1000 to install a power point for starters. Absolutely boring to drive. I never use the radio as i like absolute concentration when i drive. I like to hear an engine not pop music and verbal scwitter and senceless ads.
New cars have too many bells and whistles now and touch screens that are dangerous to use on the go. The dash lights up like a Christmas tree.
In a curtisy car to day while having a small service done to my tdci focus, its a toytota whats it something ?? Its awful ,!! Even going along the road its beeping and ding dongs all the time and a fancy display looks like a pin ball table. The government is trying to force us off the road from ice to electric and its not going to happen .people dont want them,way too expensive and badly thought out infrastruture . ill stick to my 5th 07 focus tdci untill it drops currently on 176,000 miles reliable miles .
4.minutes to fill up for almost 600 miles.
Soon there will be massive unemployment, all the manufacturing to do with motoring from garages to fuel manufacture and supply chains just to push thier electric dream. You know what you can do with them, leave them in the fields with all the other 1000's of unsold cars .😂😢
One problem is, they are delaying register and delivery of new ICE until January to avoid the EV related fines
There will be an increase of ICE sales in January
8 year old car owner. (Genesis v6). 80,000miles. I have been actively shopping for a new or newer car. Nothing wrong with my Genny but I'd like to change it up. I tried a 3 cylinder turbo GM model. Yikes!. I loved the body and the interior but I just can't get past a tiny turbo 3 powering a full size car. If it had a naturally aspirated 4 cyl. I would have bought it. Instead I'm keeping my Genny. A 3 cyl belongs on a motorcycle, In fact there are bikes with bigger engines than that GM model had.
I have a Mercedes Kompressor from 2003
With 320,000 km on in
Sill going
Modern cars no longer reach half of this mileage.
Living in Germany 👍
Great car your one!
Our family has 3 vehicles all over 20 years old. Our local garage says as long as we can get the parts we can keep them going . Also for not a lot of money.
The main irritant about (some) old cars is that they don't meet some emissions laws. So you are penalised for driving in London or Birmingham. This is not a problem unless you live in those places....
We had a 17 year old Ford Focus Mk II. We spent thousands on it keeping it running, even after oil got into the cooling system we had it fixed, even after we had to have the cylinder head replaced due to spark plugs being rusted into the metalwork and needing to be replaced. Sadly it died of a cracked cylinder that was too pricey to fix.
(Embedded Automotive Engineer here) - My number 1 reason: The ability for manufacturers and government agencies (for "the_greater_G00D") to remotely turn your car's PCM 0FF.
The simple answer for us and I imagine for many like us, is the cost. The only way we'd be able to afford a new car is through a loan, or better still through a lease deal. We run two older cars, one was about 2 years old and we got it on a lease deal. The balloon at the end of the lease was far less than the car's resale value, so we paid that and kept it.
We have a workplace scheme, geared towards EV/hybrids, but when you tailor a relatively lower to medium range choice with a moderate specification, the monthly spend is significant. We can't justify it, our 2011 and 2018 cars don't warrant much of a spend and suit our needs and they do involve clocking up average miles each year.
I have not sentimentality about older cars and I'd quite happily entertain a hybrid. I wish I had a little more tech in my car, particularly adaptive cruise which my partner's car has. Ideal for the roadworks on the M1, the average speed cameras on the A9 between Perth and Inverness and perfect for many roads these days.
We do make quite a few regular long trips, one is 7 to 8 hours which we can do without having to worry about stops in either of our cars, I'm not convinced the EV infrastructure and real-world range is quite there yet.
I've owned a 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe 7 Seater SUV from new. It's a manual transmission. So is my 2018 F-type. Both have the right level of tech and complication. Dials and knobs. I think that's the golden era of modern cars and I plan on keeping them until they're no more.
We in Africa,low income made us use older cars ,but they are better in terms of cheaper parts and repair costs,and experience mechanics specialist mastered their system. No issues of recall or company design defects,they are cars used and comprehend on their system and maintenance -Rufai
I own a 2007 lexus is 250. Its got heated/ventilated seats, memory seats, sat nav, touchscreen dvd player, mark Levinson 14 speaker stereo, retracting steering wheel, its super comfortable, extremely reliable, ulez compliant, and i don't owe a penny on it. I was considering a lexus rcf, but the tax, insurance, loan repayments, etc just made me think I'll just keep what I've got. Why anyone would even dream of buying a brand new car absolutely baffles me. £45,000 for a family suv? Sod that!
Of all car manufacturers today, only a small percentage will be around in ten years time. This means that most vehicles will have no tech support or updates.
Early this year my BMW E39 520d that I had for 17 years with 295k kms had a major malfunction. The engine block broke and coolant was going inside the cylinders. The repair was 7k € with a rebuild engine, much more than the comercial value. I cried but I had to let it go and I sold it for 500€. Later I bought a BMW F11 530d from 2014 for 20k € and I plan to keep it at least for 20 years.
1. PCP made new cars affordable for everyone. Which made having a brand new car less of a status symbol.
2. Manufacturers packing so much unwanted tech into cars. We don’t need or want it. Nothing dates a car quicker than tech.
3. EV market and massive depreciation igniting concerns.
4. Lack of reliability on some new cars
5. Interest rates are crazy. So PCP deals are now really expensive
I used to buy new cars on PCP but the payments didn’t add up anymore. £600 a month? I can keep a Discovery on the road for a couple grand a year