Finally Drum tune pro on Android! The only thing I regretted when I switch from iPhone to android was not having Drum Tune Pro. Thank you for bringing Drum Tune Pro to Android, fantastic app. You saved me a fortune not having to buy a dedicated piece of hardware to help tune my Drums. Though I do recommend everyone learn to tune be ear, Drum tune pro has saved me countless hours getting my Drum exactly where I want them in a fraction of the time.
Hi Manny, could you please reach out to support@drumtunepro.com with details? We’ll take a look and try to think along about what happens and why. At the moment there are many possible aspects we should have a clear view on before we can assist properly. Eg. Is the drum on its feet or stand or on a flat surface… Are both heads on? Are both heads somehow tensioned,… What are the lug pitches of both heads? What is the fundamental tone when hitting the drum in its center of either side, with both heads tensioned and vibrating freely together? What do you get in basic tuner mode when selecting floor tom low or floor tom standard setting? Is lug focus or lock target on or off when you hit in the center? Are you using preset tuner or basic tuner mode? If preset tuner, are you in center or edge mode? :) We’ll be able to provide better support, as soon as we get a clear view on the situation at your side. Thanks!
I have a question sir. Is the reason that you guys didn't have the Android version for quite sometime, got to do with Android Phone having diffrent type of mics and you guys had to test alot of Android Phones ? Because I can imagine for iOS you only had to test and program the app for one phone ..... iPhone. Sorry for the random question that has nothing to do with the app directly but just wondered why the app wasn't released at the sametime. Thank you ,
If the app shows different pitch every time can I make it work by dampening the opposite head? I can see from the comments that the lock target feature should fix this by itself but I'm doubting... still thinking whether to buy this or not.
Yes, placing the drum on a flat surface reduces the amount of overtones it produces, and therefore it often makes lug pitch detection more stable. If a higher order overtone interferes, then using LOCK TARGET will stabilize the readings. You could always try the app for free during a 7-day free trial when using Android. Cheers!
I have a problem using this application to tune my drum set. The fundamental tone, as I hit the center of the snare or tom, has the same frequency when I hit the snare or tom near all the lugs. Any suggestion?
Vicky Widodo Yes, make sure both drum heads vibrate freely so the fundamental can be generated. Lift the drum if on a flat surface. Contact us via support@drumtunepro.com or via a private message on the FB page of Drumtune PRO, we are happy to provide support! When you hit near the lugs, the drum generates the lug pitches. If the drum is on a flat surface, or if the opposite head is muted, and if you then hit the center of the drum head then the drum can't produce the fundamental tone, therefore you can only see the lug pitches of the head.
Yes, the app has extended documentation with typical tuning ranges per drum type and organized per diameter + it provides tuning suggestions and allows to select a sustain, calculate intervals etc... You can created drum tuning presets in the app and select notes based upon the drum's diameter etc...
There's no such standard... Unlike with guitar strings, that are usually tuned in a standardized way, with drumheads you have all the freedom to tune them for the right feel & sound. How 'high', or how 'low' you tune your drums, depends on their size, and on the kind of musical effect & stick-rebound/playing feel that you want to achieve. Tune your drums within their comfort tuning range, don't force them to be too high or too low. For a 14" snare +/- 165 Hz as a fundamental would be giving a low hollow snare sound, while +/- 220 Hz as a fundamental would be quite high, giving a tight snare sound. Keep the reso head in the 360 Hz-420 Hz range. Try follow the tuning estimates in the app, for the snare a batter-fundamental tuning interval of a P5, would work usually very well for balanced rimshots, rim-clicks, and an harmonic overtone timbre, in the after-ring sound of the snare. If you wish to tune your snare low, it typically will become more hollow sounding. To compensate for that, you could go to an M6 batter-fundamental interval, for example for a tighter batter feel, and control some of the overtones, while still having a good snare side wire response. Learning tuning, and mastering your sound is time consuming, and it requires a lot of exploring and experimenting... In general, the art of tuning and creating different sounds, is all about playing with different head tensions for both sides. For example, for a tom: stick around a fundamental tone somewhere in the center of you drum's comfort zone, and start tuning both heads of your drum closer together and further apart in lug pitch/tension. So what it does with your sound decay, dynamics, timbre, playing feel. The app provides some tuning guidance, via estimates for your batter and your reso at different fundamental tones, there are also pre-made kits in it which you could use as starting point to experiment with tuning. Understand that the provided lug pitches, are estimates, and that you'll have to tweak them yourself until they are right for your drums. BUT, they are meant to already bring you as close as possible to your target fundamental tone. If in the end the resulting fundamental tone is too low, then tune up one , or both, head(s) a bit until your reach it... and store your real life tuning values for batter and reso in your own, customized tuning presets. Just research and explore how you want to tune your drums and how they sound at their best for your needs. Once you found your own sounds, you can store them as customized tuning presets in the app, so that you can always retrieve that sound later on.
Which is an established combination in Hz for rock music on tom 12'' and floor tom 16'' remo pinstripe clear top and bottom clear,snare drum 14'' 6.5x14 powerstroke3 coated and reso clear and bass drum 22'' powerstroke3 coated and resonant clear.Thanks
Hi, we also received your message per email. Thanks. (Please, let us know a bit more info if you like. (How would you tune now? Is your current tuning to your liking? What are the values you read for the current tuning?) INTRO Obviously, there's no standardized way of tuning drums. Whether you'd like to tune darker or brighter, how the drums relate to one another in tonal spacing, etc all depend on what musical effect you're after. From a creativity perspective, we'd encourage you to experiment with different tunings until you find sounds that suit your needs. For example, starting from evenly tuned heads tune them up/down evenly and research the different sounds. Tune by feel to ranges that feel good to you, and then fine-tune with the app to clear the heads and measure their pitches, so that you can store your sound in a custom tuning preset for later on tuning sessions. How your drums sound at which tuning, and if a certain way of tuning would match with your musical needs, isn't something we could decide in your place. SUGGESTED TUNING AS REQUESTED On the other hand, we're happy to help out with a ballpark suggestion to start experimenting with. You're the master of your sound, so it's unsure what our below tuning suggestion would be worth with regards to its usefulness to you. You can try and see if it works for you as a starting base for further sound-experiments. Your kit setup is an interesting combo, with only one rack tom. Let us see what we could suggest for your kit, to get it in the range of a typical all-around rock-type of sound range, that still would have its own character and which would fit your single-rack-tom setup smoothly. At first sight, it may worth the effort to check how your drums sound when you go for a very wide interval of an octave between the snare and both toms. These are some fundamental tones you could aim for that gives you a focussed tuning on your toms, due to how the lug pitches relate to one another. You could lower these fundamental tones a note or two while maintaining their tonal interval spacing if they are too high for your taste. SNARE DRUM In general, this suggested tuning experiment below will get you a "wide tuning" with enough focus on the attack, and a tonal range that will project well for your drum sizes. For this approach, we'd like to start with quite a high tuned snare to a fundamental tone of A3 just to enhance the contrast. It's already a range wherein a 14" snare drums will sound more "punchy". It may be a bit too punchy for some of the softer rock styles, but it is still all-around enough, we presume. Anyhow, if too high, you could also shift everything downward, as said. >> For your snare tune the batter to 330 Hz, and dial in the reso (probably around 380-395Hz) until you reach the fundamental of 220 Hz. That gives a richer overtone-timbre that sings consonantly with the fundamental tone and has a tighter reso for a tighter snare-wire response. >> For a slightly "drier" snare drum sound and a brighter "ring" & attack, with a more focussed stick response, try 350 Hz for batter and dial in reso around 360-370 Hz until you reach the fundamental tone of 220 Hz) That tuning in comparison to the above should give some extra bite to your snare, that will make your snare even a bit more 'punchy'. It will get you slightly more contrasted (and colder) rimshots. Overall it'll produce a slightly 'drier' overtone-timbre that sings less prominently with the fundamental tone. It also has a more relaxed reso for a natural snare-wire response that "breaths" a bit more easily than the one above. (Adjust your wire tension to match the different reso head tension so wires and head cooperate well together.) (Alternative tip: engaging the wires would affect the fundamental tone's pitch. The perception of the pitch of a snare drum's fundamental tone is different with the wires engaged than when they are disengaged. That is because the fundamental tone of a drum gets 'muted' a bit with the wires on. It also shifts a bit due to the pressure on the reso head. If you start with an A3 as the fundamental tone with the wires disengaged, the pitch of the fundamental tone will be higher when you engage the wires. How much the fundamental tone's pitch rises depends on wire tension and tuning and drum, etc. Therefore, you could also opt to tune your snare, for example, to a pitch somewhere around a G3, thus below the targeted A3 if you really wanna tune it right. With the wires disengaged, the drum would produce a pitch around that G3 in that case. With the wires engaged, that G3-ish would shift upward in the direction of the targeted A3. Not sure how much the tone will shift upward, but you'll be able to see how much once you do it. Then you will be able to know which pitch below you should aim for to get an A3 with the wires on. It's a nerdy topic, but at the same time it doesn't hurt to be aware of it, and it's nice to know as it gives you understanding and methodic insight in how a snare drum sound is created.) RACK TOM Then make the jump to an A2 for your 12" tom ( for example tune batter to 165Hz --- and tweak reso around +/-209 Hz to the real-life pitch it needs until you reach a fundamental of A2 110 Hz) >> The 12" tom may be a bit near the edge of sounding a bit forced with both heads tuned apart that much for such a low note. To reach that low note more easily, you can always tune both heads closer to one another in pitch. This gives the drum a bit more breathing space for that low tone but also affects its dynamics and stick-feel. (If you wanna shift all drums a note or two lower down the scale but while maintaining the same octave interval, for the 12" tom, you could simply bring the heads closer to one another, by just lowering the tension of the reso and keeping the batter 'as is'...) FLOOR TOM Next drop to an A1 on your 16" floor tom ( for example tune batter to 82.5 Hz --- and tweak reso around +/-110 Hz to the real-life pitch it needs until you reach a fundamental of A1 55 Hz). >> This floor tom can be tuned much lower. It is tuned at the higher-side, but not too high... It's part of the concept of the approach and is gonna work well when playing fills this way. It's quite responsive with regards to faster playing as well. You could also drop the batter and tighten the reso more to "darken" the attack and reduce the rebound speed, and further articulate the pitch bend. KICK DRUM Bring the kick to an E1 ( for example, tune reso to 82,5 Hz --- and tweak batter around +/- 65 Hz to the real-life pitch it needs until you reach a fundamental of A1 55 Hz). >> That's a tight reso tuning for a kick. It may require some damping of the reso as it may give a bit of a "boing-sound" at the reso side otherwise. You can always tune the reso down if you find it sings too much. If you do so, just tune the batter up in response to having tuned the reso down. This will allow you to stay around that fundamental tone of E1. We're not sure if this kind of tuning approach is your piece of cake. As said, it will have some character to it and you can keep that interval relationship when tuning all drums a to a fundamental that's a note or two lower as well. A lot of different parameters affect the sound of a drum. While the app is centered around fundamental tones matching notes that are calibrated at A4 of 440 Hz, you don't have to match exact fundamental tones on the scale, and you don't have to match lug pitches that are at notes, etc... It's not about the numbers, but about the sound you get. So please experiment. Numbers describe the sound. They tell you how it is composed so that you can retrieve it later on. CROSS TALK Notice the octave intervals between the drums. That consonant relationship may promote cross-talk depending on how / where the drums are mounted etc... but it's not sure that it would occur to the extent that it's an annoyance. (You'll notice if it happens or not and can adjust tuning accordingly.) Even while staying around a fundamental, playing with the individual tension of the heads affects possible cross-talk/sympathetic resonance between the drums positively or negatively. It's not because heads are tuned to lug pitches that are consonantly relating to one another or to other drums, or because drums are tuned to fundamentals that are consonantly related to one another, that sympathetic resonance will occur. Just try it to find out and deal with it when it happens. EXPERIMENT With regards to the suggested lug pitches, these are just suggestions to bring you close to the fundamental tone... It's only for your reference. Any lug pitches would go, within certain boundaries. Tune & listen to your drums to feel what kind of tension your heads require to vibrate the right way. Wherever point the estimates bring you, don’t hesitate to tweak the tension on your heads until their sound is to your liking and see what pitches they vibrate at when they sound good. You can use these pitches to create custom tuning presets that work for your specific drums and needs. Experiment with how different head tension relationships affect the dynamics and feel of your drum sound. For any tom, it's worth to research its behavior on different head tension for the same fundamental and see what works best for your drum and your needs. EG. You could also tune to the same fundamentals with both heads tuned to the same pitch (maximum sustain slider setting in the app) This will get you a timbre which is less complex and will give you more rounded fundamental tones, especially since the pinstripes already reduce the presence of the overtones. We hope this is a bit helpful. Enjoy experimenting! Contact support if questions! Cheers.
DAMPING Also experiment with forms of damping like gels or other, if you feel it contributes positively to the vibe of your sound. Gel, tape, towels, wallets, whatever... all means go for damping and timbre & resonance control. In Extremis: adding an extra floating e-ring would further focus the sound more towards the fundamental tone without taking away too much of your drum's resonance and decay duration. These floating rings attenuate the vibration of the heads near the edge where the higher-order overtones are present, so they mute a lot of the higher-order overtones in the timbre of the heads in such a way that the fundamental tone becomes more clearly audible. That enhances the perception of the tone of your tom without cutting too much of the resonance of it. Such a sound could be nice for rock sounds and fills. Pinstripes already produce a sound toward such direction on purpose due to the way there are constructed. MIKING Nonetheless on a side note, especially in non-close-miked situations, it may be nice to keep in mind that applying those floating rings, especially if too wide or too heavy (or when using too much damping in general), also cleans-up some of the "brighter colors" of the sound. This sometimes sounds better when sitting on the drummer-stool, but it may not always be desirable. These brighter colors may be quintessential to boost your sound's projection, as they also contribute to your sound's liveliness while cutting through the mix when playing along with other instruments. Therefore removing all of them, is not always the right choice for live situations with minimal miking and amplification. The resonance duration of your drums is something to consider apart from the overtone timbre, as a good sound engineer behind the mixer will work with what enters the console and tame those for you while a live sound engineer can’t as easily tweak your acoustic resonance duration without diving into live gating tricks.
DAMPING Also experiment with forms of damping like gels or other, if you feel it contributes positively to the vibe of your sound. Gel, tape, towels, wallets, whatever... all means go for damping and timbre & resonance control. In Extremis: adding an extra floating e-ring would further focus the sound more towards the fundamental tone without taking away too much of your drum's resonance and decay duration. These floating rings attenuate the vibration of the heads near the edge where the higher-order overtones are present, so they mute a lot of the higher-order overtones in the timbre of the heads in such a way that the fundamental tone becomes more clearly audible. That enhances the perception of the tone of your tom without cutting too much of the resonance of it. Such a sound could be nice for rock sounds and fills. Pinstripes already produce a sound toward such direction on purpose due to the way there are constructed. MIKING Nonetheless on a side note, especially in non-close-miked situations, it may be nice to keep in mind that applying those floating rings, especially if too wide or too heavy (or when using too much damping in general), also cleans-up some of the "brighter colors" of the sound. This sometimes sounds better when sitting on the drummer-stool, but it may not always be desirable. These brighter colors may be quintessential to boost your sound's projection, as they also contribute to your sound's liveliness while cutting through the mix when playing along with other instruments. Therefore removing all of them, is not always the right choice for live situations with minimal miking and amplification. The resonance duration of your drums is something to consider apart from the overtone timbre, as a good sound engineer behind the mixer will work with what enters the console and tame those for you while a live sound engineer can’t as easily tweak your acoustic resonance duration without diving into live gating tricks.
This app is actually very accurate: you can fine-tune the pitches beyond what's feasible with a dial alone, yet, each tool has its merits* and drawbacks**, of course. For example, when numbers jump around, it means there's overtone interference, or it's detecting a fundamental tone when hitting near a lug, or inversely. *Clearly, such overtone interference won't happen with a dial, as it doesn't detect sound. **On the other hand, you may wanna try using a dial by placing it and replacing it onto lower tensioned heads, or check the pitches after the dial is equalized, and you may notice some inconsistency there, despite what the needle points out. > Equal compressibility of the dial's spring, doesn't necessarily always mean equal lug pitches produced when the drumheads vibrate. No technology is fully freed of its woes, ... and neither are ears. However, if you feel you're good with your ears and are happy with the sounds your kit makes, then perhaps a tuning tool that can assist in your tuning process has no added value for you. Even better! :) The app has built-in tech to deal with those jumpy readings. Whether these occur or not, is often related to how the app is used or how to a particular tuning of a drum: whether focus ranges are activated, the tuning ranges are used the right way, etc... Often it's also about understanding which pitches are picked up. There's a learning curve to using a pitch-based drum tuner in general. If you like, I'll take a look and see if could help with tips when you reach out at support@drumtunepro.com with details of the situation. (drum, pitches, etc.) Last, but not least: if you check this video on "tuning a tom from scratch" (ua-cam.com/video/2PhWUPG_Qlw/v-deo.html), you'll see jumpy readings at the start at some lug, and I explain briefly why they happen and what they are, and thereafter I show how to deal with that situation. (around 3.30min in) I tune the drum like how anyone may tune any tom by ear: by searching for a good sound & feel, and then clearing the heads at their spots... There's no difference in drum tuning, whether you use a tuning aid or not. The drum remains the same, and so remains the tuning process itself. In this tuning flow, I simply use the app to know what I'm doing pitch-wise and to help me clear the pitches around the bearing edge, while I demonstrate the principle on "how to stay at the same fundamental tone while modifying the drum's timbre, decay dynamics, attack and overall sticking/rebound feel/articulation."
No, only in English, sorry... Please, contact us via support@drumtunepro.com We'll be happy to provide support and get you going! Thanks very much! Have a nice day!
Если вы находитесь на Android, и если вы установите язык вашего устройства на русский, через настройки Android, приложение будет на русском языке тоже! Спасибо! > If you are on Android, and if you put your device language to Russian, via the Android settings, the app will be in Russian too! Thanks!
Hi Webb, This video just shows a fraction of the app features. It's true that one tunes a drum in relation to the other drums in a kit, for an optimal sound. But, if you are so into that, you should also notice that knowing the frequency of a drum only makes it easier to tune the other drums to frequencies that are related to that, so nice-sounding tonal distances between the drums can be created. The fact that we have to put your attention to that, after you did see this video, may suggest that the app is not so 'useless' as you may think. Before quickly judging about the app's qualities, you may wish to inform yourself. In fact, it's quite an advanced tuning tool that will not restrict you in any way compared to tuning by ear. Drumtune PRO has a built-in interval calculator that allows creating intervals between all fundamental tones of all drums of your kit in respect to one another. This approach allows for designing tuning combos that make your entire kit sound coherently as a 'whole-set'. While the app can give tuning suggestions and estimates to get you close to selected fundamental tones, whether you use these or not is completely up to you. If you like so, the app gives suggestions on how both heads could be tuned to reach a certain fundamental tone (+/-10%) for a certain musical result, with certain dynamic behavior and timbre. If you like to explore your own tuning approach, tune your heads and clear them at any point that feels right for the musical effect you are after. If you tune to your liking & clear the drum heads the way your guts tell you to at first, you can perhaps use the app for fine-tuning and then measure the lug pitches of the heads. When you measure then you'll know the pitches of your tuning approach. After that, you can actually save these pitches as tuning targets for each head in your own, customized tuning presets. Once that's done, you can detune and retune to the same sound consistently, time after time. You can store as many customized tuning presets for your drums as you want, and organize them in kits, etc. Drumtune PRO will help you clearing pitches. The app is not tuning your drums for you. When tuning, if you don't know what you want and just test some random setting, you still have to listen to your sound while tuning, and decide whether where you are heading is the right sound for your drums/style/needs and tweak accordingly. You still have to tune yourself and decide whether a sound or certain tuning gets you where you want to be. This app is designed to be of assistance while tuning drums and is particularly helpful to reveal how the heads are tuned, and explore what sounds you can get of your drums with a certain head pitch combo.
Finally Drum tune pro on Android! The only thing I regretted when I switch from iPhone to android was not having Drum Tune Pro. Thank you for bringing Drum Tune Pro to Android, fantastic app. You saved me a fortune not having to buy a dedicated piece of hardware to help tune my Drums. Though I do recommend everyone learn to tune be ear, Drum tune pro has saved me countless hours getting my Drum exactly where I want them in a fraction of the time.
Wow I have really learn it today thank you very much bro for the good work
I've just downloaded for android ! i'm looking forward to trying it tomorrow, i hope it works ... !
I'm getting inconsistent readings when hitting my drums. For some reason, my floor tom has a higher pitch in the center than at the lugs
Hi Manny, could you please reach out to support@drumtunepro.com with details? We’ll take a look and try to think along about what happens and why.
At the moment there are many possible aspects we should have a clear view on before we can assist properly.
Eg. Is the drum on its feet or stand or on a flat surface… Are both heads on? Are both heads somehow tensioned,…
What are the lug pitches of both heads?
What is the fundamental tone when hitting the drum in its center of either side, with both heads tensioned and vibrating freely together?
What do you get in basic tuner mode when selecting floor tom low or floor tom standard setting?
Is lug focus or lock target on or off when you hit in the center?
Are you using preset tuner or basic tuner mode?
If preset tuner, are you in center or edge mode?
:)
We’ll be able to provide better support, as soon as we get a clear view on the situation at your side.
Thanks!
I have a question sir.
Is the reason that you guys didn't have the Android version for quite sometime, got to do with Android Phone having diffrent type of mics and you guys had to test alot of Android Phones ?
Because I can imagine for iOS you only had to test and program the app for one phone ..... iPhone.
Sorry for the random question that has nothing to do with the app directly but just wondered why the app wasn't released at the sametime.
Thank you ,
That is one of the reasons indeed.
I don't find it on googleplayer,please help me
If the app shows different pitch every time can I make it work by dampening the opposite head? I can see from the comments that the lock target feature should fix this by itself but I'm doubting... still thinking whether to buy this or not.
Yes, placing the drum on a flat surface reduces the amount of overtones it produces, and therefore it often makes lug pitch detection more stable. If a higher order overtone interferes, then using LOCK TARGET will stabilize the readings. You could always try the app for free during a 7-day free trial when using Android. Cheers!
I have a problem using this application to tune my drum set. The fundamental tone, as I hit the center of the snare or tom, has the same frequency when I hit the snare or tom near all the lugs. Any suggestion?
Vicky Widodo Yes, make sure both drum heads vibrate freely so the fundamental can be generated. Lift the drum if on a flat surface. Contact us via support@drumtunepro.com or via a private message on the FB page of Drumtune PRO, we are happy to provide support! When you hit near the lugs, the drum generates the lug pitches. If the drum is on a flat surface, or if the opposite head is muted, and if you then hit the center of the drum head then the drum can't produce the fundamental tone, therefore you can only see the lug pitches of the head.
Does it come with a chart that tells you what a certain size drum should be tuned to? ie 8" 10" 12" a snare and so on?
Yes, the app has extended documentation with typical tuning ranges per drum type and organized per diameter + it provides tuning suggestions and allows to select a sustain, calculate intervals etc... You can created drum tuning presets in the app and select notes based upon the drum's diameter etc...
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What is the standard tune for snare, tom and bass drum?
There's no such standard... Unlike with guitar strings, that are usually tuned in a standardized way, with drumheads you have all the freedom to tune them for the right feel & sound. How 'high', or how 'low' you tune your drums, depends on their size, and on the kind of musical effect & stick-rebound/playing feel that you want to achieve. Tune your drums within their comfort tuning range, don't force them to be too high or too low. For a 14" snare +/- 165 Hz as a fundamental would be giving a low hollow snare sound, while +/- 220 Hz as a fundamental would be quite high, giving a tight snare sound. Keep the reso head in the 360 Hz-420 Hz range. Try follow the tuning estimates in the app, for the snare a batter-fundamental tuning interval of a P5, would work usually very well for balanced rimshots, rim-clicks, and an harmonic overtone timbre, in the after-ring sound of the snare. If you wish to tune your snare low, it typically will become more hollow sounding. To compensate for that, you could go to an M6 batter-fundamental interval, for example for a tighter batter feel, and control some of the overtones, while still having a good snare side wire response. Learning tuning, and mastering your sound is time consuming, and it requires a lot of exploring and experimenting... In general, the art of tuning and creating different sounds, is all about playing with different head tensions for both sides. For example, for a tom: stick around a fundamental tone somewhere in the center of you drum's comfort zone, and start tuning both heads of your drum closer together and further apart in lug pitch/tension. So what it does with your sound decay, dynamics, timbre, playing feel. The app provides some tuning guidance, via estimates for your batter and your reso at different fundamental tones, there are also pre-made kits in it which you could use as starting point to experiment with tuning. Understand that the provided lug pitches, are estimates, and that you'll have to tweak them yourself until they are right for your drums. BUT, they are meant to already bring you as close as possible to your target fundamental tone. If in the end the resulting fundamental tone is too low, then tune up one , or both, head(s) a bit until your reach it... and store your real life tuning values for batter and reso in your own, customized tuning presets.
Just research and explore how you want to tune your drums and how they sound at their best for your needs. Once you found your own sounds, you can store them as customized tuning presets in the app, so that you can always retrieve that sound later on.
Which is an established combination in Hz for rock music on tom 12'' and floor tom 16'' remo pinstripe clear top and bottom clear,snare drum 14'' 6.5x14 powerstroke3 coated and reso clear and bass drum 22'' powerstroke3 coated and resonant clear.Thanks
Hi, we also received your message per email. Thanks.
(Please, let us know a bit more info if you like. (How would you tune now? Is your current tuning to your liking? What are the values you read for the current tuning?)
INTRO
Obviously, there's no standardized way of tuning drums. Whether you'd like to tune darker or brighter, how the drums relate to one another in tonal spacing, etc all depend on what musical effect you're after.
From a creativity perspective, we'd encourage you to experiment with different tunings until you find sounds that suit your needs.
For example, starting from evenly tuned heads tune them up/down evenly and research the different sounds.
Tune by feel to ranges that feel good to you, and then fine-tune with the app to clear the heads and measure their pitches, so that you can store your sound in a custom tuning preset for later on tuning sessions.
How your drums sound at which tuning, and if a certain way of tuning would match with your musical needs, isn't something we could decide in your place.
SUGGESTED TUNING AS REQUESTED
On the other hand, we're happy to help out with a ballpark suggestion to start experimenting with.
You're the master of your sound, so it's unsure what our below tuning suggestion would be worth with regards to its usefulness to you.
You can try and see if it works for you as a starting base for further sound-experiments.
Your kit setup is an interesting combo, with only one rack tom. Let us see what we could suggest for your kit, to get it in the range of a typical all-around rock-type of sound range, that still would have its own character and which would fit your single-rack-tom setup smoothly.
At first sight, it may worth the effort to check how your drums sound when you go for a very wide interval of an octave between the snare and both toms.
These are some fundamental tones you could aim for that gives you a focussed tuning on your toms, due to how the lug pitches relate to one another.
You could lower these fundamental tones a note or two while maintaining their tonal interval spacing if they are too high for your taste.
SNARE DRUM
In general, this suggested tuning experiment below will get you a "wide tuning" with enough focus on the attack, and a tonal range that will project well for your drum sizes.
For this approach, we'd like to start with quite a high tuned snare to a fundamental tone of A3 just to enhance the contrast. It's already a range wherein a 14" snare drums will sound more "punchy". It may be a bit too punchy for some of the softer rock styles, but it is still all-around enough, we presume. Anyhow, if too high, you could also shift everything downward, as said.
>> For your snare tune the batter to 330 Hz, and dial in the reso (probably around 380-395Hz) until you reach the fundamental of 220 Hz. That gives a richer overtone-timbre that sings consonantly with the fundamental tone and has a tighter reso for a tighter snare-wire response.
>> For a slightly "drier" snare drum sound and a brighter "ring" & attack, with a more focussed stick response, try 350 Hz for batter and dial in reso around 360-370 Hz until you reach the fundamental tone of 220 Hz) That tuning in comparison to the above should give some extra bite to your snare, that will make your snare even a bit more 'punchy'. It will get you slightly more contrasted (and colder) rimshots. Overall it'll produce a slightly 'drier' overtone-timbre that sings less prominently with the fundamental tone. It also has a more relaxed reso for a natural snare-wire response that "breaths" a bit more easily than the one above. (Adjust your wire tension to match the different reso head tension so wires and head cooperate well together.)
(Alternative tip: engaging the wires would affect the fundamental tone's pitch. The perception of the pitch of a snare drum's fundamental tone is different with the wires engaged than when they are disengaged. That is because the fundamental tone of a drum gets 'muted' a bit with the wires on. It also shifts a bit due to the pressure on the reso head. If you start with an A3 as the fundamental tone with the wires disengaged, the pitch of the fundamental tone will be higher when you engage the wires. How much the fundamental tone's pitch rises depends on wire tension and tuning and drum, etc. Therefore, you could also opt to tune your snare, for example, to a pitch somewhere around a G3, thus below the targeted A3 if you really wanna tune it right. With the wires disengaged, the drum would produce a pitch around that G3 in that case. With the wires engaged, that G3-ish would shift upward in the direction of the targeted A3. Not sure how much the tone will shift upward, but you'll be able to see how much once you do it. Then you will be able to know which pitch below you should aim for to get an A3 with the wires on. It's a nerdy topic, but at the same time it doesn't hurt to be aware of it, and it's nice to know as it gives you understanding and methodic insight in how a snare drum sound is created.)
RACK TOM
Then make the jump to an A2 for your 12" tom ( for example tune batter to 165Hz --- and tweak reso around +/-209 Hz to the real-life pitch it needs until you reach a fundamental of A2 110 Hz)
>> The 12" tom may be a bit near the edge of sounding a bit forced with both heads tuned apart that much for such a low note. To reach that low note more easily, you can always tune both heads closer to one another in pitch. This gives the drum a bit more breathing space for that low tone but also affects its dynamics and stick-feel. (If you wanna shift all drums a note or two lower down the scale but while maintaining the same octave interval, for the 12" tom, you could simply bring the heads closer to one another, by just lowering the tension of the reso and keeping the batter 'as is'...)
FLOOR TOM
Next drop to an A1 on your 16" floor tom ( for example tune batter to 82.5 Hz --- and tweak reso around +/-110 Hz to the real-life pitch it needs until you reach a fundamental of A1 55 Hz).
>> This floor tom can be tuned much lower. It is tuned at the higher-side, but not too high... It's part of the concept of the approach and is gonna work well when playing fills this way. It's quite responsive with regards to faster playing as well. You could also drop the batter and tighten the reso more to "darken" the attack and reduce the rebound speed, and further articulate the pitch bend.
KICK DRUM
Bring the kick to an E1 ( for example, tune reso to 82,5 Hz --- and tweak batter around +/- 65 Hz to the real-life pitch it needs until you reach a fundamental of A1 55 Hz).
>> That's a tight reso tuning for a kick. It may require some damping of the reso as it may give a bit of a "boing-sound" at the reso side otherwise. You can always tune the reso down if you find it sings too much. If you do so, just tune the batter up in response to having tuned the reso down. This will allow you to stay around that fundamental tone of E1.
We're not sure if this kind of tuning approach is your piece of cake. As said, it will have some character to it and you can keep that interval relationship when tuning all drums a to a fundamental that's a note or two lower as well.
A lot of different parameters affect the sound of a drum. While the app is centered around fundamental tones matching notes that are calibrated at A4 of 440 Hz, you don't have to match exact fundamental tones on the scale, and you don't have to match lug pitches that are at notes, etc...
It's not about the numbers, but about the sound you get. So please experiment. Numbers describe the sound. They tell you how it is composed so that you can retrieve it later on.
CROSS TALK
Notice the octave intervals between the drums. That consonant relationship may promote cross-talk depending on how / where the drums are mounted etc... but it's not sure that it would occur to the extent that it's an annoyance. (You'll notice if it happens or not and can adjust tuning accordingly.)
Even while staying around a fundamental, playing with the individual tension of the heads affects possible cross-talk/sympathetic resonance between the drums positively or negatively.
It's not because heads are tuned to lug pitches that are consonantly relating to one another or to other drums, or because drums are tuned to fundamentals that are consonantly related to one another, that sympathetic resonance will occur.
Just try it to find out and deal with it when it happens.
EXPERIMENT
With regards to the suggested lug pitches, these are just suggestions to bring you close to the fundamental tone... It's only for your reference.
Any lug pitches would go, within certain boundaries. Tune & listen to your drums to feel what kind of tension your heads require to vibrate the right way. Wherever point the estimates bring you, don’t hesitate to tweak the tension on your heads until their sound is to your liking and see what pitches they vibrate at when they sound good. You can use these pitches to create custom tuning presets that work for your specific drums and needs.
Experiment with how different head tension relationships affect the dynamics and feel of your drum sound.
For any tom, it's worth to research its behavior on different head tension for the same fundamental and see what works best for your drum and your needs.
EG. You could also tune to the same fundamentals with both heads tuned to the same pitch (maximum sustain slider setting in the app)
This will get you a timbre which is less complex and will give you more rounded fundamental tones, especially since the pinstripes already reduce the presence of the overtones.
We hope this is a bit helpful.
Enjoy experimenting!
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DAMPING
Also experiment with forms of damping like gels or other, if you feel it contributes positively to the vibe of your sound.
Gel, tape, towels, wallets, whatever... all means go for damping and timbre & resonance control. In Extremis: adding an extra floating e-ring would further focus the sound more towards the fundamental tone without taking away too much of your drum's resonance and decay duration.
These floating rings attenuate the vibration of the heads near the edge where the higher-order overtones are present, so they mute a lot of the higher-order overtones in the timbre of the heads in such a way that the fundamental tone becomes more clearly audible.
That enhances the perception of the tone of your tom without cutting too much of the resonance of it. Such a sound could be nice for rock sounds and fills. Pinstripes already produce a sound toward such direction on purpose due to the way there are constructed.
MIKING
Nonetheless on a side note, especially in non-close-miked situations, it may be nice to keep in mind that applying those floating rings, especially if too wide or too heavy (or when using too much damping in general), also cleans-up some of the "brighter colors" of the sound.
This sometimes sounds better when sitting on the drummer-stool, but it may not always be desirable. These brighter colors may be quintessential to boost your sound's projection, as they also contribute to your sound's liveliness while cutting through the mix when playing along with other instruments. Therefore removing all of them, is not always the right choice for live situations with minimal miking and amplification.
The resonance duration of your drums is something to consider apart from the overtone timbre, as a good sound engineer behind the mixer will work with what enters the console and tame those for you while a live sound engineer can’t as easily tweak your acoustic resonance duration without diving into live gating tricks.
DAMPING
Also experiment with forms of damping like gels or other, if you feel it contributes positively to the vibe of your sound.
Gel, tape, towels, wallets, whatever... all means go for damping and timbre & resonance control. In Extremis: adding an extra floating e-ring would further focus the sound more towards the fundamental tone without taking away too much of your drum's resonance and decay duration.
These floating rings attenuate the vibration of the heads near the edge where the higher-order overtones are present, so they mute a lot of the higher-order overtones in the timbre of the heads in such a way that the fundamental tone becomes more clearly audible.
That enhances the perception of the tone of your tom without cutting too much of the resonance of it. Such a sound could be nice for rock sounds and fills. Pinstripes already produce a sound toward such direction on purpose due to the way there are constructed.
MIKING
Nonetheless on a side note, especially in non-close-miked situations, it may be nice to keep in mind that applying those floating rings, especially if too wide or too heavy (or when using too much damping in general), also cleans-up some of the "brighter colors" of the sound.
This sometimes sounds better when sitting on the drummer-stool, but it may not always be desirable. These brighter colors may be quintessential to boost your sound's projection, as they also contribute to your sound's liveliness while cutting through the mix when playing along with other instruments. Therefore removing all of them, is not always the right choice for live situations with minimal miking and amplification.
The resonance duration of your drums is something to consider apart from the overtone timbre, as a good sound engineer behind the mixer will work with what enters the console and tame those for you while a live sound engineer can’t as easily tweak your acoustic resonance duration without diving into live gating tricks.
Numbers just jumped around for me. It's just not very accurate . I do better by ear wish I had a drum dial
This app is actually very accurate: you can fine-tune the pitches beyond what's feasible with a dial alone, yet, each tool has its merits* and drawbacks**, of course.
For example, when numbers jump around, it means there's overtone interference, or it's detecting a fundamental tone when hitting near a lug, or inversely.
*Clearly, such overtone interference won't happen with a dial, as it doesn't detect sound.
**On the other hand, you may wanna try using a dial by placing it and replacing it onto lower tensioned heads, or check the pitches after the dial is equalized, and you may notice some inconsistency there, despite what the needle points out.
> Equal compressibility of the dial's spring, doesn't necessarily always mean equal lug pitches produced when the drumheads vibrate.
No technology is fully freed of its woes, ... and neither are ears.
However, if you feel you're good with your ears and are happy with the sounds your kit makes, then perhaps a tuning tool that can assist in your tuning process has no added value for you. Even better! :)
The app has built-in tech to deal with those jumpy readings. Whether these occur or not, is often related to how the app is used or how to a particular tuning of a drum: whether focus ranges are activated, the tuning ranges are used the right way, etc...
Often it's also about understanding which pitches are picked up.
There's a learning curve to using a pitch-based drum tuner in general.
If you like, I'll take a look and see if could help with tips when you reach out at support@drumtunepro.com with details of the situation. (drum, pitches, etc.)
Last, but not least: if you check this video on "tuning a tom from scratch" (ua-cam.com/video/2PhWUPG_Qlw/v-deo.html), you'll see jumpy readings at the start at some lug, and I explain briefly why they happen and what they are, and thereafter I show how to deal with that situation. (around 3.30min in)
I tune the drum like how anyone may tune any tom by ear: by searching for a good sound & feel, and then clearing the heads at their spots... There's no difference in drum tuning, whether you use a tuning aid or not. The drum remains the same, and so remains the tuning process itself.
In this tuning flow, I simply use the app to know what I'm doing pitch-wise and to help me clear the pitches around the bearing edge, while I demonstrate the principle on "how to stay at the same fundamental tone while modifying the drum's timbre, decay dynamics, attack and overall sticking/rebound feel/articulation."
Se podrá traducir al español?.
If you're on Android, please put your device language to Spanish, and the app will be in Spanish. Cheers!
Thankyou
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ola o meu e versão Android funcionou corretamente muito bom...
Muito obrigado!
Altair Lima - oficial, existe algum Review em português? Trágico... Não sei usar..😥
No, only in English, sorry... Please, contact us via support@drumtunepro.com We'll be happy to provide support and get you going! Thanks very much! Have a nice day!
Não achei no play store.oque faço?
Хотелось бы по-русски
Если вы находитесь на Android, и если вы установите язык вашего устройства на русский, через настройки Android, приложение будет на русском языке тоже! Спасибо! > If you are on Android, and if you put your device language to Russian, via the Android settings, the app will be in Russian too! Thanks!
Useless how are you suppose to tune the whole set together?
Hi Webb, This video just shows a fraction of the app features. It's true that one tunes a drum in relation to the other drums in a kit, for an optimal sound. But, if you are so into that, you should also notice that knowing the frequency of a drum only makes it easier to tune the other drums to frequencies that are related to that, so nice-sounding tonal distances between the drums can be created. The fact that we have to put your attention to that, after you did see this video, may suggest that the app is not so 'useless' as you may think. Before quickly judging about the app's qualities, you may wish to inform yourself. In fact, it's quite an advanced tuning tool that will not restrict you in any way compared to tuning by ear.
Drumtune PRO has a built-in interval calculator that allows creating intervals between all fundamental tones of all drums of your kit in respect to one another. This approach allows for designing tuning combos that make your entire kit sound coherently as a 'whole-set'.
While the app can give tuning suggestions and estimates to get you close to selected fundamental tones, whether you use these or not is completely up to you.
If you like so, the app gives suggestions on how both heads could be tuned to reach a certain fundamental tone (+/-10%) for a certain musical result, with certain dynamic behavior and timbre. If you like to explore your own tuning approach, tune your heads and clear them at any point that feels right for the musical effect you are after.
If you tune to your liking & clear the drum heads the way your guts tell you to at first, you can perhaps use the app for fine-tuning and then measure the lug pitches of the heads.
When you measure then you'll know the pitches of your tuning approach.
After that, you can actually save these pitches as tuning targets for each head in your own, customized tuning presets. Once that's done, you can detune and retune to the same sound consistently, time after time.
You can store as many customized tuning presets for your drums as you want, and organize them in kits, etc.
Drumtune PRO will help you clearing pitches. The app is not tuning your drums for you. When tuning, if you don't know what you want and just test some random setting, you still have to listen to your sound while tuning, and decide whether where you are heading is the right sound for your drums/style/needs and tweak accordingly.
You still have to tune yourself and decide whether a sound or certain tuning gets you where you want to be. This app is designed to be of assistance while tuning drums and is particularly helpful to reveal how the heads are tuned, and explore what sounds you can get of your drums with a certain head pitch combo.
Tinha q ser em português