Why did Qui Gon NEVER teach Obi Wan Lightsaber Forms? 🤨

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  • Did you know that Qui Gon Jinn NEVER taught Obi Wan any lightsaber forms?
    And this annoyed the young Kenobi to the point where he absolutely hated training with his Master!
    But Qui Gon did have a very good reason as to why he didn’t expose his Apprentice to the more advanced practices earlier with the other Padawans!
    One day, Obi Wan reached the end of his patience and angrily asked why he wasn’t being taught any lightsaber forms.
    But Qui Gon calmly answered him explaining that he wanted to make sure Obi Wan had the basic stances and techniques drilled into his head and mastered.
    Cuz he believed that the ground basics were going to be Obi Wan’s greatest ally in battle and serve as a base foundation for future training.
    And this is very similar to the situation with Daniel and Mr. Miyagi in the Karate Kid as Daniel gets frustrated that he isn’t being taught Karate the way he wanted to while Mr. Miyagi was intentionally grounding him in the basics even if he couldn’t see it!
    So in hindsight, it was all from a certain point of view of how the apprentice saw their progress!
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  • @hunterkiller1440
    @hunterkiller1440 Місяць тому +3504

    Qui Gon taught Obi Wan the basics of high ground.

    • @PhillyPugilist
      @PhillyPugilist Місяць тому +51

      Beat me to it 😂

    • @TrekBoy85OG
      @TrekBoy85OG Місяць тому +27

      He’s my favorite as I’ve grown up.

    • @hunterkiller1440
      @hunterkiller1440 Місяць тому +20

      @@TrekBoy85OG He was my favorite Jedi when I first watched TPM despite it being my least favorite film when I was a child.

    • @cornholio8715
      @cornholio8715 Місяць тому +6

      ​@@hunterkiller1440 Never taught how to wipe

    • @hunterkiller1440
      @hunterkiller1440 Місяць тому +11

      @@cornholio8715 Obi Wan did a good wipe on Anakin, cutting off 3 limbs.

  • @DJAK792
    @DJAK792 Місяць тому +1822

    Qui Gon was my favorite character when I was younger

    • @Gibby-xm2tm
      @Gibby-xm2tm Місяць тому +35

      you want any deathsticks

    • @matthewharbour-dx1sx
      @matthewharbour-dx1sx Місяць тому +8

      For sure

    • @Reed9277
      @Reed9277 Місяць тому +25

      My first toy lightsaber was Qui Gon’s 😄 He was so cool

    • @stonemanguitars
      @stonemanguitars Місяць тому +13

      He was, is and always will be my favourite.

    • @God_Is_An_Atheist
      @God_Is_An_Atheist Місяць тому +11

      Mine too, probably because he was the only "true" Jedi of his time (at least according to Legends).

  • @edgar5983
    @edgar5983 Місяць тому +1431

    And he become the greatest master of Soresu. One of the most basic yet effective lightsaber forms.

    • @hasseo195
      @hasseo195 Місяць тому +105

      But only, because Qui Gon died.
      Obi used, like his master, Ataru.
      Until his master died and Obi Wan thinked, that he needed more defense and focused on that.

    • @michaelblower7363
      @michaelblower7363 Місяць тому

      Yeah I noticed that too. After fighting Darth Maul, Obi wan was much more controlled.​@@hasseo195

    • @blackwingdragonmasta
      @blackwingdragonmasta Місяць тому +53

      ​@@hasseo195the Jedi all trained in multiple forms, Ataru was just the form that qui gon was most skilled in. While Obi Wan was qui gons Padawan there would have been other masters assisting in his training. In comics qui gon actually considering focusing Obi Wans training on the force purely and neglecting Saber combat purely because he believed Obi Wan already had the skill to defeat him in a duel.

    • @Ethan-wr2os
      @Ethan-wr2os Місяць тому +9

      ​@@blackwingdragonmastaat the very least, 2 forms. Shii-Cho or however it's spelled and then whatever else they decide they want to learn after

    • @Tybren
      @Tybren Місяць тому +4

      ​@@hasseo195thought*

  • @davidbakke9293
    @davidbakke9293 Місяць тому +325

    “Remember your basics Zuko; They are your greatest weapons.”

    • @kurtpunchesthings2411
      @kurtpunchesthings2411 Місяць тому +32

      He then defeats General Zhao very well done

    • @FrostyGerardo-kr7xs
      @FrostyGerardo-kr7xs 14 днів тому +9

      Many people don't understand... Basics are basics because they are the most needed, without them You will fail. They go first because they are so important

    • @furyberserk
      @furyberserk 10 днів тому +2

      ​@@FrostyGerardo-kr7xs
      Basics aren't for winning. They are for survival. You can win just being a bruiser, but basics keeps you alive.

    • @dancepro67
      @dancepro67 5 днів тому

      Aang: Ive been breathing for hours!! Jeong Jeong: You want to stop breathing?! 😂

    • @zyianvega8936
      @zyianvega8936 2 дні тому +2

      I literally have Avatar open in a different tab and am about to watch it

  • @dudeinadoughboy4327
    @dudeinadoughboy4327 22 дні тому +149

    "From my point of view you ARE learning lightsaber forms!"
    "WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST!"

  • @matthewharbour-dx1sx
    @matthewharbour-dx1sx Місяць тому +420

    He taught him the high ground

    • @madcircle7311
      @madcircle7311 Місяць тому +13

      The high ground is unbeatable

    • @WUxze
      @WUxze Місяць тому

      @@madcircle7311It's beatable

    • @agostonpitlik8045
      @agostonpitlik8045 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@madcircle7311
      Kenobi managed to beat the High Ground against both Maul and Grievous.
      Kenobi mastered the technique, but he is one of the very few who can counter it.

    • @danpatrickth2759
      @danpatrickth2759 Місяць тому

      Agreed 😊

    • @satinekenobi4ver855
      @satinekenobi4ver855 Місяць тому

      @@WUxze that’s the thing about he obi wan is the master of both the high and the low ground and he is one of the few who can exploit both

  • @jontucker7411
    @jontucker7411 Місяць тому +209

    And look what Obi-wan became. He's the Goat if you really want to get into it

    • @phyrath5
      @phyrath5 Місяць тому +4

      Out of movie characters certainly. I think Revan, Malgus, or Exar Kun would be a fair matchup (not them definitely winning, even odds either way)

    • @evenflow2057
      @evenflow2057 Місяць тому +19

      He is the GOAT. Screw Anakin being the chosen one, Obi Wan could have ended his life twice now, thanks to the show. Chosen one, pft.

    • @buttscarlton1490
      @buttscarlton1490 24 дні тому

      ​@evenflow2057 the show ain't canon

    • @Niz96
      @Niz96 20 днів тому +2

      Mace Windu is the goat

    • @jnnx
      @jnnx 16 днів тому

      Nah, the real Goat was. . . YOUR MOTHER LAST NIGHT, TREBEK!

  • @mikerentschler7847
    @mikerentschler7847 Місяць тому +601

    But did he teach him the Theoretical Youngling Massacre moves?

    • @StarWars_Insider
      @StarWars_Insider  Місяць тому +72

      😂

    • @_aballa_
      @_aballa_ Місяць тому +31

      Remind me again, who came up with the YMMs?

    • @julian5699
      @julian5699 Місяць тому +37

      @@_aballa_anakin had to have gotten them from somewhere…

    • @Chilly_1
      @Chilly_1 Місяць тому +15

      ​@@julian5699from The Grandmaster of course

    • @colterstradinger2541
      @colterstradinger2541 Місяць тому +21

      I told him they were only THEORETICAL!!!

  • @R3V0LV3R45
    @R3V0LV3R45 25 днів тому +49

    “From certain point of view” well placed.

  • @Ramzi65ok
    @Ramzi65ok Місяць тому +51

    This all comes back around where stances were how obi wan defeated darth maul

    • @nathanchristman6660
      @nathanchristman6660 23 дні тому +3

      He pretended to switch to ataru not even just the stance the first few swings were an exact 1 to 1 of what happened between qui-gon and maul at the end of their fight except obi-wan was purposely drawing out maul's chin check with the lightsaber hilt.

  • @raf7305
    @raf7305 Місяць тому +42

    Liam Neeson is a legend. This guy can play anyone and play the role perfectly.

    • @bashbish4564
      @bashbish4564 Місяць тому +3

      Up until like 2010. Then he just became corny.

    • @jnnx
      @jnnx 16 днів тому +1

      Let’s be honest, there really wasn’t much to the “Qui-Gon Jin” character. . .

    • @westington1
      @westington1 10 днів тому

      @@bashbish4564To be fair to him, his wife died. He doesn’t take on any serious roles now as he doesn’t want to tap into the emotions roles like that bring.
      He’s got a great resume from before taken onwards. I think he gets a pass here

  • @DeltaVe
    @DeltaVe Місяць тому +51

    Obi-Wan: But I'm not doing those amazing Ataru acrobatics yet, like all the other padawans in my class can do! This is outrageous! It's unfair!

  • @vIVvictory
    @vIVvictory Місяць тому +14

    "A certain point of view"? Guys! He said it!

  • @heatherholland1051
    @heatherholland1051 Місяць тому +52

    I read this in the book "Master and Apprentice" its a good read and gives more details about not only Obi wan's and his master's relationship but Dooku and Qui gon's as well.

    • @natsusatsujinki8342
      @natsusatsujinki8342 12 днів тому +1

      I just read the book like a month ago. Pretty good read.

  • @SSJ4Brohan
    @SSJ4Brohan Місяць тому +6

    Obi's thoughts: "I HATECHOO!!!! 🔥😠🔥"

  • @Martonesdef
    @Martonesdef Місяць тому +5

    Can't have a high ground without a firm foundation

  • @AARIONLP.
    @AARIONLP. Місяць тому +22

    Both of them were my favourite Jedi. And still are. ❤

    • @andrefricke9998
      @andrefricke9998 Місяць тому

      I would have love to see Liam Neeson reprise that role in some form. It's too late now, of course 😅

  • @alexshank1414
    @alexshank1414 Місяць тому +11

    “A certain point of view?”

  • @bl3343
    @bl3343 Місяць тому +13

    This conversation between Obi Wan and Qui Gon comes from the novel Master and Apprentice by Claudia Gray.

  • @MultiMachinegunner
    @MultiMachinegunner Місяць тому +2

    Heh, "a certain point of view" 😂😂

  • @rickeyb8812
    @rickeyb8812 Місяць тому +14

    Myagi: Danielson, wax on, wax off!

  • @roospike
    @roospike Місяць тому +9

    And hear Luke Skywalker learn from Obi-Wan on a short Millennium Falcon flight and a couple visits to Yoda. 😄

  • @itspajara
    @itspajara 27 днів тому +1

    Clean Mr Miyagi's backyard immediately!! - explained Qui Gon, calmly

  • @Sm1thWessonAndMe
    @Sm1thWessonAndMe Місяць тому +3

    So true, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are my favorite duo!

  • @KrampusDerWilde
    @KrampusDerWilde Місяць тому +96

    That's why he never lose a lightsaber duel

    • @TurboTurds30
      @TurboTurds30 Місяць тому +8

      Does the death star not count or? I mean he knew what he was doing but

    • @KrampusDerWilde
      @KrampusDerWilde Місяць тому +34

      @@TurboTurds30 He did it on purpose, he didn't lose, it was his will

    • @yudah7492
      @yudah7492 Місяць тому +42

      @@KrampusDerWilde Count Dooku has beaten Obi-Wan in a lightsaber duel on multiple occasions.

    • @KrampusDerWilde
      @KrampusDerWilde Місяць тому +28

      @@yudah7492 oh yeah, I forgot that, and makes sense, he was the master of Qui Gon

    • @cheetoeswastaken
      @cheetoeswastaken Місяць тому +3

      @@KrampusDerWildehe failed successfully

  • @EddieR715
    @EddieR715 13 днів тому +1

    "From a certain point of view" AAHHH I see what you did there 😂

  • @MaksymCzech
    @MaksymCzech 13 днів тому +1

    Show me low ground, Obi-Wan san. Good. Now show me high ground.

  • @babbisp1
    @babbisp1 22 дні тому +1

    "First Learn Stance, Then Learn Form. Nature Rule, Kenobi-san, Not Mine."

  • @pop-culturecinephile8144
    @pop-culturecinephile8144 Місяць тому +21

    So Star Wars had some inspirations from The Karate Kid? I dig it

  • @kellygreenii
    @kellygreenii Місяць тому +1

    He was also teaching Obi-wan patience. Which he needed at that age.

  • @ivancerecer5758
    @ivancerecer5758 Місяць тому +1

    Anakin would've thrown like 20 tantrums by the time he realized Qui-Gon's reasoning

  • @user-jd4kf6xe5m
    @user-jd4kf6xe5m Місяць тому +1

    Straight up Mister Miyagied Obi-wan

  • @GhostieSpooks
    @GhostieSpooks Місяць тому +6

    Don’t think we didn’t catch that reference….it’ll take more than that to sneak a quote past me!

    • @jimmyboy131
      @jimmyboy131 18 днів тому

      You'd have to get up PRETTY LATE in the afternoon to pull as fast one on me!

  • @slam42777
    @slam42777 6 днів тому +1

    I wish they would make a Qui Gon series like they did with Obi Wan

  • @LonelyKnight1010
    @LonelyKnight1010 Місяць тому +1

    Qui Gon believes in Obi Wan that Obi Wan can taught himself and Qui Gon want to see their natural basic fighting. 👍👍

  • @kakashi392
    @kakashi392 Місяць тому +1

    I viewed it as: "If you don't use standard forms, no one can easily counter you"

  • @galexymitzelplik9560
    @galexymitzelplik9560 Місяць тому +2

    The same frustration as Anakin had.

  • @rboss5919
    @rboss5919 Місяць тому

    He saw Obi-Wan studying the forbidden fruit ninja techniques and worried about Obi-Wans desire for severing limbs.

  • @Gfish17
    @Gfish17 Місяць тому +1

    In the phantom menace I missed this aspect of qui gon gin. It never felt like he was teaching obi wan Kenobi anything in that movie.

  • @casualcaveman
    @casualcaveman 5 днів тому

    These old movies are so good. It's just perfect. 👍

  • @manuelgonzalez2382
    @manuelgonzalez2382 14 днів тому

    Qui gong is a legend because if you have the high ground you are safe

  • @okarthegreat
    @okarthegreat Місяць тому +1

    This method of teaching is exactly what my violin teacher did when I was a little kid.
    I ended up hating all my lessons, losing interest in the violin, and quitting.

    • @Vaith
      @Vaith 11 днів тому +1

      yeh realistically its the most efficient teaching way, but it fails in that its unfun and you dont get to do any cool stuff to keep you motivated to continue. people are not movie characters that a plot demands they push through a few montage scenes. in reality ur doing 100's of lessons and drills grinding out 1000's of hrs of work, not a 2hr movie run time worth of training.

  • @axobishop
    @axobishop Місяць тому +1

    HE TAUGHT THE HIGH GROUND

  • @GTA2SWcity
    @GTA2SWcity Місяць тому +2

    Yes, and actually I remember there being something about how Mace took to young Kenobi, but Qui-Gon forbade Mace and the other lightsaber instructors from sharing form seven techniques in part or in whole. I can't remember what part of expanded universe it was, though.
    And while it was grudgingly, Mace Windu respected Qui-Gon and Dooku enough to cooperate with that.
    Or maybe it was wookieepedia speculation. But I can definitely see why Mace Windu's judgment of Kenobi's character would see him as exceptional--if that's true.

  • @xdoc482
    @xdoc482 23 дні тому +1

    You ended with, “from a certain point of view.” I see what you did there lol.

  • @toddgray21
    @toddgray21 12 днів тому

    Obi’s defense is masterclass. In the clone wars when he fights maul and oppress he was an absolute rock and even broke oppresses leg in the process

  • @coops3600
    @coops3600 16 днів тому +1

    This mentality is honestly what ended up becoming obi-wan’s fighting style in the end. He doesn’t do anything bombastic but he has all the basics and foundations practiced and mastered to such a clinical degree of precision that he’s almost impossible to defeat. His guard is basically impenetrable and he doesn’t panic or make mistakes, he just waits until you make one.

  • @TheSteveTheDragon
    @TheSteveTheDragon 19 днів тому

    Master...would you teach me the ways of the force?
    Quai-Gon: Ok, go wax those droids.

  • @atworldsend818
    @atworldsend818 Місяць тому +9

    NICE comparison!
    I've been trying to explain this to my daughter for years.
    She's currently an advanced green belt in Taekwondo, but finally understands thanks to this short.👍👍👍👍👍

  • @seanmorgan2356
    @seanmorgan2356 7 днів тому

    1000 days of practice for discipline. 10,000 days of practice for mastery.
    - Miyamoto Musashi -

  • @1992djg
    @1992djg Місяць тому +16

    Qui Gon is the one of the best Jedi

  • @gstrikr7
    @gstrikr7 Місяць тому

    Obi-Wan Kenobi, master of Soresu, is officially the Jedi Kid.

  • @AlexanderCalderon-kd6mh
    @AlexanderCalderon-kd6mh 9 днів тому

    "A certain point of view?" 😂

  • @uriel7203
    @uriel7203 14 днів тому

    Obi-Son!!!
    Show me, drive the ball.
    Show me, chop the wood.
    Good. Now show me close the blinds.

  • @lukeblythe6494
    @lukeblythe6494 5 днів тому

    Qui-Gon was so fucking bad ass in the comics and books

  • @LexTalionis6
    @LexTalionis6 Місяць тому +1

    That's how you should be taught, without a solid foundation to build on it takes longer to master something

  • @mikoswhackgameandstuffvids480
    @mikoswhackgameandstuffvids480 Місяць тому

    Qui-gon: you must perfect the stance of the High ground.
    Episode 3 later on

  • @christianaguiare544
    @christianaguiare544 13 днів тому

    Did anyone else instantly think of the High Ground, because that is a basic advantage in any fight

  • @graffittitagger65
    @graffittitagger65 22 дні тому

    Qui Gon was truly a great Jedi

  • @XerxesTheUndead
    @XerxesTheUndead 9 днів тому

    It makes sense. It’s always good to master the fundamentals of a skill so that you can fully master said skill when you learn it

  • @Thevoidlezz
    @Thevoidlezz 5 днів тому

    That is the reason Obi Wan became a Beskar wall with form 3

  • @michaelbarnes2126
    @michaelbarnes2126 22 дні тому

    It’s always the ones with the fundamentals and the basics sharpened that turn out to be the greats

  • @Metalxanime
    @Metalxanime 11 днів тому

    Qui-Gon just wanted to teach Obi-Wan about the high ground

  • @MrGreen4go
    @MrGreen4go 8 днів тому

    Nice tie in with the Danial son reference 👌

  • @vaderdarth4956
    @vaderdarth4956 7 днів тому

    And last, Qui-Gon teach Obi-wan the secret 8th form, the High ground

  • @cheeeeeemo
    @cheeeeeemo 8 годин тому

    recently read master & apprentice and this scene really stuck with me! so good!

  • @dikarilee4975
    @dikarilee4975 24 дні тому

    Obi wan and Anakin were both hot heads …i love them so much

  • @Guybrush14
    @Guybrush14 Місяць тому +1

    Wax on, wax off Obi San

  • @joshuaclabeaux1470
    @joshuaclabeaux1470 20 днів тому

    "Show me 'Paint Fence'."

  • @mrsonicscrewdriver
    @mrsonicscrewdriver 15 днів тому +1

    Everything in the realm of Star Wars is "from a certain point of view". lol

  • @rurappals
    @rurappals 18 днів тому

    “WHAT I SAY IS TRUE. From a certain point of view.”

  • @cherub3624
    @cherub3624 18 днів тому

    This is how he was able to switch from form 4 to 3.

  • @turkishdelight6032
    @turkishdelight6032 19 днів тому

    Qui Gon helped Obi Wan build a solid foundation so that he could one day stand on higher ground

  • @narutouzu9197
    @narutouzu9197 Місяць тому

    Young people want the flash, teachers want the basics.

  • @-chickpea
    @-chickpea Місяць тому +2

    Band camp in a nutshell

  • @1jidion
    @1jidion 22 дні тому

    Quigon taught obiwan the most important lesson, always get the high ground

  • @zachg6805
    @zachg6805 25 днів тому

    This is why as a Padawan he was able to best Maul. He was above average with actual training and hard work

  • @alphastronghold715
    @alphastronghold715 Місяць тому

    “Basics, Zuko. Break his root!”
    -Iroh

  • @natesantiago7724
    @natesantiago7724 4 дні тому

    If the Jedi had dooku And qui gons mindset they would’ve never lost

  • @RemyJackson
    @RemyJackson 24 дні тому

    Obi-Wan's ability to change up his stance is how he would later defeat Darth Maul with ease.

  • @collegebro85
    @collegebro85 22 дні тому +1

    He never taught him to fight, just defend what your opponent throws at you, which is why Kenobi almost never lost a duel…until Dooku whooped his ass twice 👀

  • @chefmarco305
    @chefmarco305 14 днів тому

    Same thing happened when Master Roshi was teaching Kirilin and Goku they didn't think the basic things they were doing was effective 😂

  • @petrstanovsky7648
    @petrstanovsky7648 Місяць тому

    So that's where Obi-wan learned meaning of certain point of view. 😅

  • @seneca1932
    @seneca1932 12 днів тому

    Qui-Gon had Obi-wan master the basics first because he knew that no building can stand very long without a firm foundation. That’s the mark of an experienced warrior and good teacher.

  • @paintguru27
    @paintguru27 21 годину тому

    In the novelizations Mace credits Obi Wan with being The master of the basic defensive stance Soresu, form III. He also points out that Grievous was most likely defeated by most masters on the council but his worst odds were against Obi Wan since he had totally and utterly mastered a basic form.

  • @TheDI92788
    @TheDI92788 18 днів тому

    To be real here, this is so true in Martial Arts. Foot form is so much more important than a bunch of fancy moves, and much more practical when fighting. You can make up your own form as you go along.

  • @xdarkwing104x
    @xdarkwing104x 26 днів тому

    All great masters their students not only the foundations, But why those foundations are important.
    He taught One of the greatest Jedi Masters of all time using this technique. That should be respected.

  • @GlimisGagetry
    @GlimisGagetry 2 дні тому

    And he ended up being the second best Jedi duelist

  • @deeerv4905
    @deeerv4905 12 днів тому

    From that encounter with the Maul, they had an excellent team zigzag thing going until they got separated. It would seem that he had every confidence in his apprentice in that life and death fight or else he would have had him stand down. Turns out to be the fight and kill that made him a Knight

  • @closeredge5198
    @closeredge5198 15 днів тому +1

    So basically, he taught him, 'a particular set of skills '..... 🤔🤔🤔

  • @brunneng38
    @brunneng38 8 днів тому

    Karate Kid and SW existing in same universe: Confirmed

  • @logicaldude3611
    @logicaldude3611 5 днів тому

    This is basically what sports is like. Even professional athletes sometimes have to have their entire throwing/hitting/running mechanics completely reworked from the ground up. They’ve always gotten by on sheer ability, but then they get in with the big boys and all the things they’re used to getting away with simply don’t work anymore against better, more fundamentally sound players. So they have to relearn how to do everything the correct way.

  • @ericthompson3982
    @ericthompson3982 24 дні тому

    "Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect." ~Ted Buot

  • @Yokyle4356
    @Yokyle4356 9 днів тому +1

    A great master would teach his students patience first
    Patience and knowing to straight wins the battle

  • @aryas4928
    @aryas4928 15 днів тому

    He needed to learn the high ground basics

  • @jajafeez7318
    @jajafeez7318 Місяць тому +1

    The "CERTAIN POINT OF VIEW"

  • @Zamzeeflizzam
    @Zamzeeflizzam 4 дні тому

    Nice certain point of view reference and great video. 🎉

  • @official3s620
    @official3s620 9 днів тому

    I saw a video that says qui gon taught obi wan ataru when he was younger because he was quite hot headed much like anakin and form 4 fit his personality (which is why his kyber crystal is blue not green because he wasnt the humble jedi he was in the films until he was older). However obi wan decided to switch up and study the defensive form 3 after qui gon died because he saw the lack of the defence to the front of the body and it humbled him

  • @kingcobra2858
    @kingcobra2858 7 днів тому

    Obi Wan is a master of the basics. Imagine beating out Annakin in his physical peak with just good fundamentals.

  • @jaredbanister6880
    @jaredbanister6880 17 днів тому

    Qui-Gon was not willing to risk making another Xanatos who also would know his moves.