It was great to see your interior. Exactly the colors I would choose and hadn’t seen it in any other videos. Beautiful rig. Thanks for sharing all the info on options, very illuminating.
The interior colors for 2022 have been changed. The cherry has been eliminated and the Wonder colors, cashmere and natural rift, will be available in the Unity.
I love our macerator. I watch you gravity guys with the gloves and hoses and rinsing and disassembly. The macerator is much simpler and just as effective. There are three commandments to LTV rving. Take the black cap off macerator hose, diesel in a diesel engine and retract the awning before moving the vehicle. Pretty basic. Enjoy your van man !
Just ran across the channel. We are passionate 2017 FX owners from Flower Mound with expresso wood and the glamor package. Appreciate your channel and insights. The diesel generator is a must. It's such a pain to get the propane filled that would make a propane generator a deal-breaker. Really wish there was a Bluetec clean-burning diesel generator. We purchased an exhaust to take our fumes above the roof AND sound insulated the generator. We use the macerator to dump the RV in a cleanout at our house which is nice. The macerator does slow down the flow taking longer to dump. We use the little table on every trip. It becomes the front office for my wife while I occupy the back office. Looking forward to more detail on the fan upgrades....
Hey Scott, I'm just down the road in Coppell. Love to see your sound insulation for the generator set up sometime. Thanks for the input and happy new year!
@@jeffs8269 I did a couple of things. First of all, I found that the casing rattled quite a bit creating noise so I used some 1/4" adhesive foam to stop the vibration (primarily on the inside of the removable front cover). Then I covered the entire generator and inside of the door opening with self-adhesive sound-proof audio squares (the little pyramid ones) from Amazon leaving just seams so I can remove the access panel to change the oil. It looks a bit cheezy when you open the compartment but It dropped the decibels significantly. I will try and post some photo's on the LTV Facebook site when the weather gets better. I did all this on the fly while traveling last Summer and it has held up better than I expected.
Very good! Thank you! We had a 2015,5 UCB with LPG Gen and the Macerator. We are waiting for our 2021 UCB again with these two options. The aito gen set will be a big +. On the macerator, We would not without it. On several occasions, we had to pump up into a public toilet. Very glad we could do that! W’ll have Lithium, 400W Solar, rear ladder, key fob entry, the fans, the Aluminium wheels... but no safe. Canadians do not need firearms. Keep up the good work!
We currently have 2014 Unity MB with a diesel generator. You’re right that fuel is not a problem. However, it’s LOUD and the exhaust smell us awful! Currently, we have a 2021 (or will it be a 2022?) Unity RL on order. Your video is timely. We opted for the propane generator. Thanks for your insight and have a happy holiday ahead.
LTVs are what first attracted me to RVing several years ago. They are all beautiful, and make a spectacular presentation wherever you go. They are just as practical and nice as an Airstream Atlas, but $100K cheaper with less frou frou like a wine chiller, or a teak shower attachment. The options are pretty much uniformly excellent and hard to resist. I would only buy a Wonder as it's a Ford chassis in diesel or the powerful twin turbo V6 with AWD. It's just my wife, our two dogs and me, but after comparison shopping, no oven plus the small tanks just did not fit our travel purposes. I think LTV offers a slide on one of its MB based units with a Murphy bed. If it could add a slide, and add bigger tanks, the new Wonder RL or RT would be close to perfect. When I looked at a Wonder, the sales person would not move a dime off MSRP (unheard-of) because I wouldn't tell him up front if it was a cash or financed purchase. Even though I love LTVs, I think I would have been unhappy with it in the end due to its limitations.
It is definitely an RV with limitations. My Unity FX has a slide and makes the roominess feel so much more than a 25 foot Motorhome. Small tanks are a bummer, but there is no perfect RV. Larger tanks mean larger RV. LTVs have ovens in the form of a convection oven / microwave combo. We never use it, but I understand it is better than a typical propane RV oven as it’s convection and cooks faster and more even. LTV demand is seeing zero or little movement off of MSRP, so if someone wants one, it’s dealer market for sure.
Re movement off MSRP: It’s the current supply/demand now, of course, but in the pre-Covid era, my price research revealed a different RV marketing approach by Canadian manufacturers vs US manufactures. Assumption for US is almost always a >22-28% markup on MSRP so dealers can announce immediate “dealer discount price” before hard negotiations start. I don’t see Canadian class B & C manufactures following this pattern. Fun fact: per Andrew Steele, base LTV Unity MSRP in 2010 was $120,480; in 2021, $140,000 - and standard build included MANY features US manufactures consider as upgrades. IMHO, LTV builds them well and prices them a lot closer to true cost/value, so pre-Covid US discounts were $0-$5k with @ 2 reports of $10k, irrespective of cash or financing option chosen.
@@Pagosa Everywhere that we shopped [by phone] offered $5K off of the MSRP. So we ordered from the nearest dealership. It's a seller's market right now.
Awesome video for anyone considering an LTV. We have a Unity RL on order. One thing to note, the RL does offer the newer color options for the cabinets. I believe it’s called Cashmere. They also have the lighter “natural wood” color. Not sure why they don’t offer these colors on all the Unity vans.
We are looking at buying a 2021 Unity TB and greatly appreciate your opinions, Thank you! We will definitely be subtracting a few items from our list and grateful to know some of our thoughts were confirmed.
No need for 3000 inverter if you can only fit a 200 amp. I recently changed mine, and it was very easy to install. No need to buy anything but two 100 amp batteries and 12 gauge cable. red only. I got the 2020 unity RL.
We have a 2017 Unity FX with the macerator. This is my fourth RV. I love the ease of use with the macerator. Punctured the hose while in Alaska. Couldn't find a replacement. Went to a marine supply and got a much heavier hose. I now carry a spare hose with me. I don't use the the screw on cap. Flush the fitting out and store it away.
We're in the market for a Wonder. I have found that I can buy a Class A for quite a bit less with more space, but I don't want all the hassle with slides and getting in and out of places. The LTVs seem to be just the right size for comfort and maneuverability. I think from the comments below so far I will opt for the macerator, and from your comments, I will not get the upgraded fans. The ladder was always a yes for me. Thanks for the video.
Just got a used fx has all the options except ladder and outside table. Even has tank heaters and leveling system! Btw Cummins now has a remote temp app for the generator remote start. We have pets too and diesel gen. Onan EC-AGS+ Diesel Application Kit - A065U740
Great video, well presented and stated. We’ve had a number of RVs in the past, one with a macerator. What I liked about it was the hose was much easier to deal with, similar to handling a shower wand. What I didn’t like about it was 1) it eventually broke and 2) it was slow which made it a pain when leaving state and national parks where you had a dump station. My current rig doesn’t have one and I’m perfectly happy with the gravity hose.
I have a macerator, 2018 Serenity, yes I had a problem with it, turned out during production of the rig someone , somehow left or dropped 2 large cloth rags into the black tank, fortunately we had flushed the black tank before we arrived home. I filled the black tank to 20% full drove down to our farm , 150 miles away , went to flush the tank again and the macerator ground to a stop. Took the macerator off found a heavy cotton rag imbedded in it, not fun to clean up, put the gravity hose on , power flushed the system and found 2 more rags in the black tank. Since then no problems, 10 minutes to dump tanks, wouldn’t be without the Macerator Jay S
Your do an excellent job in your video. Thanks. You will get lots of subscribers to your channel. I have not yet purchased an RV, but feel I will need to main things... 1) dry bath in shortest length possible. 2) Low noise A/C that can operate with the inverter so as to avoid having to have a noise Generator all the time. I live and drive in southern states and/or desert areas. Please comment. Thanks.
The Leisure Travel Van would be an excellent choice for you then. To run the AC while not hooked up to shore power, you would have to get some pretty serious Lithiums, prob 600 amp hours worth and a soft start. I put a soft start on mine and can operate on a 15 amp household outlet. To fit enough batteries for the AC, you will prob want to look at the Wonder Twin bed as it has a massive storage area in the back. My FX will only fit 2 batteries, but I've seen some people make mods to fit more. Good luck!
@@Pagosa Thanks for the thoughtful video. We have a 2022 Unity RL on order with all of the upgrades you mentioned. We debated on the exterior table option and I think you've convinced me to delete it from our order. On the topic of upgrading the batteries, I'm thinking that the small storage compartment to the left of the coach step on the RL MIGHT be sacrificed for a couple of batteries. Here's a layout that I got from our salesman that is of the 2020 RL - which I hope will be the same or better on the 2022. They haven't received the spec sheets on the 2022's yet. resource.kenect.com/B37UmPPNVSQUS
One question [though I haven't read the whole thread to see if you've already mentioned it] : Have you done the fan upgrade yet? If so, what was the labor cost? Norm SATX
@@normanrandolph134 I have not done that yet. I hope to get around to it soon. Doing a Lithium and inverter upgrade this week, which I'm really excited about. Hopefully fan next.
@@normanrandolph134 I would certainly delete the table. Too much money and space taken up when cheaper and smaller is just an amazon order away. Be sure to check out pagosasupply.co/gear-suggestions for everything we carry in our LTV. As far as the batteries. I purchased a 315ah Lithionics battery which takes up the same footprint as two AGM or Battle Born lithiums. This is like having three (and some change) battle borns where the batteries go. I also upgraded to a 3000 Xantrex inverter that will enable me to run my rooftop air on battery. Perfect for when you need to leave the pets for an hour or two or just want to cool the coach where running the gen isn't acceptable. I'll have a video on the battery setup soon.
My sister-in-law ordered and received her 2022 LTV Mercedes Benz FX and she's had a window installed on the driver's side to make up for there not being a window near the murphy bed. I will try to get some pictures and send them to you. It was done very professionally -- I'm told.
A two dollar switch spliced into a single wire and a half-inch hole drilled in to the surrounding bezel of the fan to mount the switch, will make the rain sensor work only when you want it to. Easy fix. The lighter Maple color and loose Square-cushions and velcro makes the LTV look like it was built by IKEA... I'd rather have the Espresso wood color and recliners. I've read on the FB pages that the Side-door Key-Fob eats batteries like crazy and if the batteries die or the lock malfunctions... and you don't have your chassis Key-fob outside with you... you're now having to break into your LTV. Thanks for making the video, your comments are certainly food for thought. When will your Sink-covers be available?
For 2020 Unity RL, chassis and door automatic key fob are 1 & the same. 7 months in and we’ve had no battery issues. We change our Benz car fob batteries @1x/year, so I’m guessing it could be same or better for RV fob.
Hi we Have a 2020 UMB. Love the Macerator absolutely. You only make the mistake with the cap one time. I like it cause it is always hooked up no hose to connect and disconnect. You could easily pump up hill is needed and even neatly into a portable container if really necessary. Mostly though because I don’t have to hook it up. Our options 400w solar Propane Generator (same concerns you mentioned) Fantastic Fans (like your upgrade idea) Safe (same reasons) Ours has the external table but really don’t use it Do not have the extra internal table. Wouldn’t use it. 1 year in no complaints.
Most folks with the macerator definitely love it. I actually was at a campground that I could have used it the other day, but didn't have to worry about an explosion either, lol
If I were ordering a LTV, I would not order the key fob for the house door. It's now like $400, but the only thing it unlocks or locks is the house door. If it was locking and unlocking all the bays too as well as the Mercedes doors -- then that would be a game changer. I would order it in a heartbeat. The Mercedes van already comes with a separate fob --- then you have 2 big bulky fobs to carry. If you have kids with you, then can't get in the house without their own fob. Better to just use keys which are very easy to carry or leave one in a lockbox in a bay.
Mine is just the Mercedes fob that they program to unlock the house door as well. Not sure if they changed it or not, but mine is very much worth the $400.
Thanks for the info really helpful. I am going to order the wonder 2021 RTB. I agree the wood Natural rift and Cashmere are really nice. I agree that optional table i can just see scratching the paint if you miss the 2 insert brackets. Cheers and safe travels.
Thank you for such an informative video because I have been really looking to buy the unity. I really appreciate all the information. it’s great to get someone’s perspective who already has one.
Thank you for the info. I was glad to learn people's opinions on some of the options. Your RV lifestyle/needs, reliability of the systems, and cost all play factors on what options you need or want. Edit: I would love to see the Unity Murphy Bed on the Ford platform due to the all wheel drive of the Ford.
OMG, we're gonna run out of propane. Not really. Last year we started a trip from SOCAL in August for a four month trip to the Canadian Maritimes. Ran the refrigerator on propane almost exclusively because when it's hot the 12V house batteries will not keep the frig cold. Particularly with the sun beating down on the the side of the coach and the temps over 90F. Ran the generator the last hour on the road to cool the house. When we were in Canada, we used the furnace three or four nights a week. Six weeks into the trip we had used 40% of the tank. Could have easily gone another week or ten days. Or to put that into perspective, another 15 or 20 propane fill stations. Get the macerator. Saves time and it's cleaner. Don't put something down the toilet that will break it.
Thanks for this reply. Glad to hear the propane lasts for a good long time. Do you know if the propane generator is quieter than the Diesel? The three concerns I've heard on the Diesel are Noise, Smell (fumes), and no autostart.
@@Pagosa I actually just purchased (ordered) a new Unity RL....and to my surprise a diesel generator is not an option for the Unity RL floorplan...this was confirmed by LTV, and if you go on their website and try to build a Unity RL model it will not give you the option for a diesel generator. I'm hoping the LP gen will do, and at least it comes with the auto start. I was also told that the reason why the diesel generators don't have the auto start feature has to do with heat issues and safety concerns.
@@barberdean4714 Interesting. It might be a size issue with the RL. I know many things are different with the RL, even the towing capacity. Good to know!
Hi Brandon! This morning we sent in the 10K deposit for our 2021 (2022?) LTV Unity. As always, I value your opinions and evaluations. We ordered ours with two Fantastik Fans but I saw your recommendation about the Maxx air fan. I checked it out and I agree. They appear to be better. My question is, If we choose not to get the Fantastik Fans in the build, will the holes have to be cut in the roof to add the Maxx Fans or do they just blank off the spot where the fans would have went?
They actually fit in the same space, so it’s just an easy switch out. (I say easy, as you may want a pro to do it so there are no leaks.) congrats on the Unity!
Great video Brandon. We are about to order a LTV MB and are finalizing choices on options so your comments are quite useful. We were able to see a LTV MB last week for the first time. What are your impressions of the driving experience of your Unity? I see lots of comments online about the need for suspension upgrades (such as shocks or Sumo springs). Are you considering changes, or are you satisfied with the way it drives/handles? Thank you!
Hey, thanks for watching. I'm doing a video on the driving experience very soon, so be on the lookout for that. As far as the suspension, I think the new MB chassis is fine. The prior chassis, from my understanding, benefits greatly from an upgraded sway bar and such. I actually had a cross wind experience you can see in this video: ua-cam.com/video/fvq5VkWcc8Y/v-deo.html Thanks again!
Great videos -- thank you! The unit I'm interested in has a macerator toilet included, which I'm guessing is not a duplication of the macerator hose pump. Or is it?
Glad you enjoyed it. The macerated toilet is different. It’s because the toilet is not directly above the black tank, so gravity does it’s job. The macerator hose is to smog they black tank with a pump rather than gravity
Step 1: Be able to afford an LTV 😭😭😭 Haha just messing around, thank you for the informative video! In the meantime I shall live vicariously through you and dream to own one some day! 🙌🏻🤘🏻
Although you mention it in your video, you do not recommend the Fan upgrade and recommend updating the standard fans to a Maxair fan deluxe? I am waiting on a build date for my 2021 WFTB, so I have time to delete the option. Thank you again for all the helpful information
Hi, congrats on the Wonder. The fan upgrade in the bathroom has a tendency to close and stop due to humidity from the shower, which is when you want the fan to work. I don't have the option, so I don't have first hand experience, but have heard from many. I have not upgraded to the max air, but I do think it's a great option and will do it soon.
I’d love the look without a ladder. But, what kind of portable ladder should I have so that I can store in the LTV in case I need it ? Pls advise. Thanks!
I've seen some RVers with the telescoping ladders, but not sure if they would fit in an outside bay, so you may have to carry it in the coach itself. Did you see my video where I regretted not having a ladder?
@@Pagosa I did watch your video on regretting not have the back ladder installed initially. However I still like the clean look without a ladder. Thanks.
I am assuming the engine is diesel. If so what is the requirements for diesel. I.e. 5% biofuel. Our m-b sprinter diesel requires 5% fuel. Here in Texas where I live that is not good. So we have had to replace the fuel filter 3x and stopped a month trip due to fuel line troubles New are unable to find the correct diesel ratio.
The new chassis allows up to 5% biofuel I believe, so it should be a bit better. If you search on UA-cam for 2019 MB Sprinter chassis, there are some good videos of MB people talking about the new engine
@@Pagosa in Texas you will be very lucky to find 5%. Most stations don’t even label. I found the Ford 450 with 350 and turbo to be the way go. It takes just gas. If you research you will find more RV factory companies going away from diesel. Only in Europe can be find clean diesel fuel. Good luck.
Thanks I'm still jn the research process of trying to decide which van I want. Right now all I know is I want a dry bath everything else is still up in the air.
I’m curious…what do you do for your pets now that you dont have the generator auto-start? We are getting our new LTV next week. It was a customer cancellation so we did not choose the options. It comes with a diesel generator. We had auto start in our previous Pleasure Way Ascent so I’m not quite sure how to handle situations where the dog cannot come with us and it’s hot outside… Any ideas are welcome. Thank you!
We purposely didn't get the propane with auto start as I was advised by someone at LTV that it gives a false sense of security. The propane generators can vapor lock and not self start. And if you are counting on it and leave your pets in, then not a good thing. So if we leave them in the coach, we have it plugged in, or our Lithionics battery system runs the coach for up to 4 hours. Also if we are at a place where the generator is not welcome, then the battery system is a dream as well. you can learn more about our setup at pagosasupply.co/lithium
@@gosman949 I don't plan on using them as I store our LTV at National Indoor RV Centers and so far, they've done a great job on the little things, such as fix our Equalizer Leveling System. Plus it's stored there and I don't have to take it all the way down to VOGT. I'm sure VOGT would do a good job as everyone I met there were good people.
@@Pagosa Yes you probably met Race. He has been there a long time. National Indoor RV is a very nice indoor facility! I have seen it. So they can do all your warranty work?
I’ve heard it’s slightly louder. I’ve never heard the propane in person, but the diesel is noticeable outside the RV and a bit inside. I’m sure the Propane is just as noticeable even if it’s slightly less loud. The fumes are there if you are right near exhaust.
The best dealers I’ve heard of are Holland RV, Van City in Las Vegas and we bought from VOGT RV in Ft Worth. There is about an 18 month waitlist right now for new, but there are a couple I’ve seen for sale in our Facebook group.
@@Pagosa Thank you, thank you, thank you, would love to join in on your facebook group, please! Would love to see the ones for resale. I really appreciate you responding.
Thanks for sharing your experience with your FX, We have a 21 MB on order and have the LP gen ordered. I am flipping back and forth with modifying the order and getting the diesel gen over the LP gen. I am in Central TX where it is just as hot in the summer and plan to dry camp some of the time. I was under the impression the LP with auto start would be good for camping where the Gen / AC would not run all night and start / stop as needed based on the temp vs running the diesel gen all night to power the AC. As well I am not confident in the supply of LP in some of the areas we plan on going. What has been your experience with the diesel gen running the AC all night in the hot Texas heat? I have read there are Auto start systems for the diesel gens avail 3rd party. I do not understand why they do not offer auto start for the diesel gen. :
I haven't ran it all night, but there would be no problem with it. It is extremely loud, so a good nights sleep might not be there. The diesel will shut itself off if your fuel tank gets to 1/4 tank. I'm not sure of usage either. A commenter below said her propane would last quite long. Don at LTV is the one who told me I needed the diesel, so assume he knows something we don't. It is almost 4k more to get it over the LP though, so don't think you could go wrong with LP if you wanted to save the dough.
I have had a propane generator on our airstream interstate for 4 years and have had no issues finding propane. When we were looking at getting a Unity, I was researching this option as well, I heard that Diesel generators are more quiet which is a plus, but propane is a cleaner fuel which to me means less maintenance. So with that all being said, I don't think there is a clear winner, both have positives and negatives.
@@cheftodd Thanks for the input. I will say our diesel gen is LOUD! Just ordered Battleborn Lithiums, so hopefully only have to use the gen for AC as needed and for nothing else.
@@Pagosa after you get those lithium batteries please do a video, if you don't mind me asking what is the cost of adding that upgrade? I'm guessing at least 7k? I'm interested in upgrading mine as well since I can't find a 2019 or 2020 or 2021 unity :( we really like our airstream but really want the extra space, ducted ac, leveling system and a dozen other features that airstream doesn't have.
@@cheftodd I sure will. It wasn't that much, as we just had to buy two batteries. Our 2020 is equipped with everything needed to do a quick swap out of the AGM's. Our inverter, solar controller and all is compatible. The folks at Battleborn went through all the specs on our equipment to make sure. Great customer service. Now some of the older RVs will have to have new inverter, converter and possible solar controller switch out. Also checking wire gauges is a thing too I've heard. If you can find an LTV, go for it!
No, I would still choose the Unity for several reasons. It's a bit larger in the cab which is more comfortable in driving as well as going back and forth from house to cab. Plus a step up in features in the house, such as added storage and from what I saw when I toured both, a bit of quality increase in the Unity. Could be different now with the new wonders.
@@Pagosa Yes, those and ducted air, leveling jacks and higher tow capacity. Ford Transit is cheaper, easier and less expensive to get service and some say quieter and nicer to drive. Still trying to decide between Class B and B+.
@@randemarco You can get the leveling system on the new Transit Chassis. I'm not sure if LTV is doing it as an option yet, but they can be added third party now. You can't go wrong with a Wonder or a Unity for sure.
I had the dealer install the macerator and it took me using it 3 times to come to the decision to remove it. It stinks, it is adding more hose connections adding the risk of leaks in more places. DON'T GET IT! I watched a locksmith open one of the safes with a magnet - it literally took him 5 seconds to open it. Waste of money.
I don't understand why any manufacturer still uses the Fantastic Fan setup. No comparison to the Maxxair system. We have a Coachmen Galleria and during some warm nights could not keep the Fantastic Fan venting because any small rain sprinkle shuts down the fan. When we got back I ordered the Maxxair which will continue to vent even in a rain storm.
Thanks *very* much for your review. I am new to all of this but the LTV has definitely caught my attention. I am still in the early stages of assessing wonder versus unity, and the various models, although the twin bed unity is currently in the lead. One problem for me is that I live in New Jersey, and while there is a dealer 70 miles away in Pennsylvania, online comments do not suggest that they are well thought of. Does anybody have any suggestions for a good/respected dealer I should contact from a remote distance? My wife and I are recently retired, and we’d like to do a national tour of most of the national parks and other sites to see while we are still able (I have MS, so mobility may become a problem for me in a few years). We might also use an RV for snowbirding between New Jersey, North Carolina (where my daughter lives), and Florida. Thanks!
Hey Richard, you can't go wrong with an LTV. I actually saw my first LTV at Van City in Las Vegas, and their sales person Nancy Villegas is active on the Facebook forum and also an LTV owner herself. I bought from Vogt RV in Ft. Worth, TX and they were good as well. The main differences between Unity and Wonder are size of cab, headroom in house (Wonder does not have ducted air, so the air conditioner actually hangs down from ceiling and a taller person may hit their head. The Wonders also have a bit less interior storage, but their TB model has best in class outside storage. I own a Unity and very happy with it. Either one, you won't go wrong.
@@Pagosa Thank you sir. My other current problem, again due to being based in NJ, is to determine where I can go to actually see and touch a 2021 Unity and Wonder. The internet is great, but seeing and touching will be a must.
@@wetmore55 Best bet is to post in the Facebook group if anyone is close that could let you take a look. As far as I can tell, no dealer has any that are not already sold, so walking in one is going to be a difficult proposition as far as a dealer is concerned.
Have you tried Fretz RV in Souderton Pa? They are dealers for Leisure but I was told by them that there is a 2 year waiting time. I did purchase a Coachmen Galleria from them a few years ago and they have been great to work with for repair work.
It was great to see your interior. Exactly the colors I would choose and hadn’t seen it in any other videos. Beautiful rig. Thanks for sharing all the info on options, very illuminating.
Awesome! Thank you!
The interior colors for 2022 have been changed. The cherry has been eliminated and the Wonder colors, cashmere and natural rift, will be available in the Unity.
That's great news for 2022
I love our macerator. I watch you gravity guys with the gloves and hoses and rinsing and disassembly. The macerator is much simpler and just as effective. There are three commandments to LTV rving. Take the black cap off macerator hose, diesel in a diesel engine and retract the awning before moving the vehicle. Pretty basic. Enjoy your van man !
Take the cap off for sure! Glad you enjoy your LTV. Have a great new year and thanks for sharing!
We have a macerator it’s a game changer. Also use enzyme tank treatment and only use it for #1 most the time if possible. :)
BTW: The macerator works great!
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Agree!! Great to be able to easily dump uphill into my sewer at home.
You can also get an App and a temperature monitor to alert you if you coach gets too hot.
Yes, I think there are a few good ones and totally necessary if you plan on leaving your pets inside the coach.
Just ran across the channel. We are passionate 2017 FX owners from Flower Mound with expresso wood and the glamor package. Appreciate your channel and insights. The diesel generator is a must. It's such a pain to get the propane filled that would make a propane generator a deal-breaker. Really wish there was a Bluetec clean-burning diesel generator. We purchased an exhaust to take our fumes above the roof AND sound insulated the generator. We use the macerator to dump the RV in a cleanout at our house which is nice. The macerator does slow down the flow taking longer to dump. We use the little table on every trip. It becomes the front office for my wife while I occupy the back office. Looking forward to more detail on the fan upgrades....
Hey Scott, I'm just down the road in Coppell. Love to see your sound insulation for the generator set up sometime. Thanks for the input and happy new year!
Scott - could you please elaborate on your sound insulation for your gen? Thanks
@@jeffs8269 I did a couple of things. First of all, I found that the casing rattled quite a bit creating noise so I used some 1/4" adhesive foam to stop the vibration (primarily on the inside of the removable front cover). Then I covered the entire generator and inside of the door opening with self-adhesive sound-proof audio squares (the little pyramid ones) from Amazon leaving just seams so I can remove the access panel to change the oil. It looks a bit cheezy when you open the compartment but It dropped the decibels significantly. I will try and post some photo's on the LTV Facebook site when the weather gets better. I did all this on the fly while traveling last Summer and it has held up better than I expected.
@@scottlatimer7912 thanks
Thank you for covering the options with the pluses and minus. This was the most informative video yet.
Glad it helped!
Very good! Thank you! We had a 2015,5 UCB with LPG Gen and the Macerator. We are waiting for our 2021 UCB again with these two options. The aito gen set will be a big +. On the macerator, We would not without it. On several occasions, we had to pump up into a public toilet. Very glad we could do that! W’ll have Lithium, 400W Solar, rear ladder, key fob entry, the fans, the Aluminium wheels... but no safe. Canadians do not need firearms. Keep up the good work!
Congrats on the 2021! Hopefully Texans don’t need their firearms either, but they sure love to carry them, lol.
We currently have 2014 Unity MB with a diesel generator. You’re right that fuel is not a problem. However, it’s LOUD and the exhaust smell us awful!
Currently, we have a 2021 (or will it be a 2022?) Unity RL on order. Your video is timely. We opted for the propane generator.
Thanks for your insight and have a happy holiday ahead.
Congrats on the ‘21 (hopefully not ‘22) thanks for the input!
@@Pagosa what’s wrong with the ‘22?
@@bernielomax4859 the chassis and house model year are usually one behind meaning you’ll likely have a 2021 sprinter with 2022 house.
We have ordered the macerator. It will enable us to pump "uphill" to our septic system at home.
Perfect usage scenario. Thanks for sharing
LTVs are what first attracted me to RVing several years ago. They are all beautiful, and make a spectacular presentation wherever you go. They are just as practical and nice as an Airstream Atlas, but $100K cheaper with less frou frou like a wine chiller, or a teak shower attachment. The options are pretty much uniformly excellent and hard to resist. I would only buy a Wonder as it's a Ford chassis in diesel or the powerful twin turbo V6 with AWD. It's just my wife, our two dogs and me, but after comparison shopping, no oven plus the small tanks just did not fit our travel purposes. I think LTV offers a slide on one of its MB based units with a Murphy bed. If it could add a slide, and add bigger tanks, the new Wonder RL or RT would be close to perfect. When I looked at a Wonder, the sales person would not move a dime off MSRP (unheard-of) because I wouldn't tell him up front if it was a cash or financed purchase. Even though I love LTVs, I think I would have been unhappy with it in the end due to its limitations.
It is definitely an RV with limitations. My Unity FX has a slide and makes the roominess feel so much more than a 25 foot Motorhome. Small tanks are a bummer, but there is no perfect RV. Larger tanks mean larger RV. LTVs have ovens in the form of a convection oven / microwave combo. We never use it, but I understand it is better than a typical propane RV oven as it’s convection and cooks faster and more even. LTV demand is seeing zero or little movement off of MSRP, so if someone wants one, it’s dealer market for sure.
Re movement off MSRP: It’s the current supply/demand now, of course, but in the pre-Covid era, my price research revealed a different RV marketing approach by Canadian manufacturers vs US manufactures. Assumption for US is almost always a >22-28% markup on MSRP so dealers can announce immediate “dealer discount price” before hard negotiations start. I don’t see Canadian class B & C manufactures following this pattern. Fun fact: per Andrew Steele, base LTV Unity MSRP in 2010 was $120,480; in 2021, $140,000 - and standard build included MANY features US manufactures consider as upgrades. IMHO, LTV builds them well and prices them a lot closer to true cost/value, so pre-Covid US discounts were $0-$5k with @ 2 reports of $10k, irrespective of cash or financing option chosen.
@@Pagosa Everywhere that we shopped [by phone] offered $5K off of the MSRP. So we ordered from the nearest dealership. It's a seller's market right now.
Awesome video for anyone considering an LTV.
We have a Unity RL on order. One thing to note, the RL does offer the newer color options for the cabinets. I believe it’s called Cashmere. They also have the lighter “natural wood” color. Not sure why they don’t offer these colors on all the Unity vans.
Yes, forgot about that. Hope they bring it to the other models
We are looking at buying a 2021 Unity TB and greatly appreciate your opinions, Thank you! We will definitely be subtracting a few items from our list and grateful to know some of our thoughts were confirmed.
Glad it was helpful!
Very informative…thanks
No need for 3000 inverter if you can only fit a 200 amp. I recently changed mine, and it was very easy to install. No need to buy anything but two 100 amp batteries and 12 gauge cable. red only. I got the 2020 unity RL.
Good to know. I've read that the solar charger isn't equipped to handle the lithiums and need to change that out.
We are still dreaming about our Leisure Travel purchase in the future and your insights on the options will help a lot. Thanks!!!
Awesome, thanks for watching!
Great info. Thanks for taking the time to put this together.
Thanks Ben. I love my Leisure Travel Van Unity FX
We have a 2017 Unity FX with the macerator. This is my fourth RV. I love the ease of use with the macerator. Punctured the hose while in Alaska. Couldn't find a replacement. Went to a marine supply and got a much heavier hose. I now carry a spare hose with me. I don't use the the screw on cap. Flush the fitting out and store it away.
Dang, that's a hose you don't want breaking in Alaska! Glad it worked out.
We're in the market for a Wonder. I have found that I can buy a Class A for quite a bit less with more space, but I don't want all the hassle with slides and getting in and out of places. The LTVs seem to be just the right size for comfort and maneuverability. I think from the comments below so far I will opt for the macerator, and from your comments, I will not get the upgraded fans. The ladder was always a yes for me. Thanks for the video.
I definitely regret not getting the ladder. People love their macerators, so good choice. You can't go wrong with the LTV, so good luck!
Just got a used fx has all the options except ladder and outside table. Even has tank heaters and leveling system! Btw Cummins now has a remote temp app for the generator remote start. We have pets too and diesel gen. Onan EC-AGS+ Diesel Application Kit - A065U740
having our Lithionics system, we don't ever need the generator now, but that is certainly great for pets!
I'm considering buying a leisure travel motor home > Thank you for giving buyers some helpful tips
Thanks for watching. More to come!
A new order is 1.5 years out although there are plenty of lightly used ones and the price is 40k min less for under 25k miles.
Great video, well presented and stated. We’ve had a number of RVs in the past, one with a macerator. What I liked about it was the hose was much easier to deal with, similar to handling a shower wand. What I didn’t like about it was 1) it eventually broke and 2) it was slow which made it a pain when leaving state and national parks where you had a dump station. My current rig doesn’t have one and I’m perfectly happy with the gravity hose.
Nice! made me feel better about my decision
Thanks. We are wannabes. Will go to Holland RV or Southland in Atlanta. We like the Wonder RL. All good tips that you gave.
Thanks! Good luck on your search!
I have a macerator, 2018 Serenity, yes I had a problem with it, turned out during production of the rig someone , somehow left or dropped 2 large cloth rags into the black tank, fortunately we had flushed the black tank before we arrived home.
I filled the black tank to 20% full drove down to our farm , 150 miles away , went to flush the tank again and the macerator ground to a stop. Took the macerator off found a heavy cotton rag imbedded in it, not fun to clean up, put the gravity hose on , power flushed the system and found 2 more rags in the black tank. Since then no problems, 10 minutes to dump tanks, wouldn’t be without the Macerator
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Oh my! That's crazy! So glad it worked out for you. That's the kind of thing that freaks me out about the macerator, lol.
Love the macerator!
Thanks for the input!
Your do an excellent job in your video. Thanks. You will get lots of subscribers to your channel. I have not yet purchased an RV, but feel I will need to main things... 1) dry bath in shortest length possible. 2) Low noise A/C that can operate with the inverter so as to avoid having to have a noise Generator all the time. I live and drive in southern states and/or desert areas. Please comment. Thanks.
The Leisure Travel Van would be an excellent choice for you then. To run the AC while not hooked up to shore power, you would have to get some pretty serious Lithiums, prob 600 amp hours worth and a soft start. I put a soft start on mine and can operate on a 15 amp household outlet. To fit enough batteries for the AC, you will prob want to look at the Wonder Twin bed as it has a massive storage area in the back. My FX will only fit 2 batteries, but I've seen some people make mods to fit more. Good luck!
@@Pagosa Thanks for the thoughtful video. We have a 2022 Unity RL on order with all of the upgrades you mentioned. We debated on the exterior table option and I think you've convinced me to delete it from our order.
On the topic of upgrading the batteries, I'm thinking that the small storage compartment to the left of the coach step on the RL MIGHT be sacrificed for a couple of batteries. Here's a layout that I got from our salesman that is of the 2020 RL - which I hope will be the same or better on the 2022. They haven't received the spec sheets on the 2022's yet. resource.kenect.com/B37UmPPNVSQUS
One question [though I haven't read the whole thread to see if you've already mentioned it] : Have you done the fan upgrade yet? If so, what was the labor cost?
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@@normanrandolph134 I have not done that yet. I hope to get around to it soon. Doing a Lithium and inverter upgrade this week, which I'm really excited about. Hopefully fan next.
@@normanrandolph134 I would certainly delete the table. Too much money and space taken up when cheaper and smaller is just an amazon order away. Be sure to check out pagosasupply.co/gear-suggestions for everything we carry in our LTV. As far as the batteries. I purchased a 315ah Lithionics battery which takes up the same footprint as two AGM or Battle Born lithiums. This is like having three (and some change) battle borns where the batteries go. I also upgraded to a 3000 Xantrex inverter that will enable me to run my rooftop air on battery. Perfect for when you need to leave the pets for an hour or two or just want to cool the coach where running the gen isn't acceptable. I'll have a video on the battery setup soon.
My sister-in-law ordered and received her 2022 LTV Mercedes Benz FX and she's had a window installed on the driver's side to make up for there not being a window near the murphy bed. I will try to get some pictures and send them to you. It was done very professionally -- I'm told.
would love to see that! Can you email them to me at brandon@pagosasupply.co
A two dollar switch spliced into a single wire and a half-inch hole drilled in to the surrounding bezel of the fan to mount the switch, will make the rain sensor work only when you want it to. Easy fix.
The lighter Maple color and loose Square-cushions and velcro makes the LTV look like it was built by IKEA... I'd rather have the Espresso wood color and recliners.
I've read on the FB pages that the Side-door Key-Fob eats batteries like crazy and if the batteries die or the lock malfunctions... and you don't have your chassis Key-fob outside with you... you're now having to break into your LTV.
Thanks for making the video, your comments are certainly food for thought.
When will your Sink-covers be available?
Hey Dean, thanks for the input. Sink covers should be shipping in January.
For 2020 Unity RL, chassis and door automatic key fob are 1 & the same. 7 months in and we’ve had no battery issues. We change our Benz car fob batteries @1x/year, so I’m guessing it could be same or better for RV fob.
Hi we Have a 2020 UMB. Love the Macerator absolutely. You only make the mistake with the cap one time. I like it cause it is always hooked up no hose to connect and disconnect. You could easily pump up hill is needed and even neatly into a portable container if really necessary. Mostly though because I don’t have to hook it up.
Our options
400w solar
Propane Generator (same concerns you mentioned)
Fantastic Fans (like your upgrade idea)
Safe (same reasons)
Ours has the external table but really don’t use it
Do not have the extra internal table. Wouldn’t use it.
1 year in no complaints.
Most folks with the macerator definitely love it. I actually was at a campground that I could have used it the other day, but didn't have to worry about an explosion either, lol
We ordered our new 2021 Unity FX, last June
You are gonna love your Leisure Travel Van
We have never been in one we bought it off of watching Dean's videos foe a year.
How long does it normally take to receive a van once you order it?
@@clydefmorgan looks like 12-18 months currently. They were already backlogged and the pandemic exasperated them even more
@@Pagosa Thanks. We're going to get the Unity rear lounge and I dream of the day we receive it.
If I were ordering a LTV, I would not order the key fob for the house door. It's now like $400, but the only thing it unlocks or locks is the house door. If it was locking and unlocking all the bays too as well as the Mercedes doors -- then that would be a game changer. I would order it in a heartbeat. The Mercedes van already comes with a separate fob --- then you have 2 big bulky fobs to carry. If you have kids with you, then can't get in the house without their own fob. Better to just use keys which are very easy to carry or leave one in a lockbox in a bay.
Mine is just the Mercedes fob that they program to unlock the house door as well. Not sure if they changed it or not, but mine is very much worth the $400.
Thanks for the info really helpful. I am going to order the wonder 2021 RTB. I agree the wood Natural rift and Cashmere are really nice. I agree that optional table i can just see scratching the paint if you miss the 2 insert brackets. Cheers and safe travels.
Thanks and congrats on the Wonder!
Thank you for such an informative video because I have been really looking to buy the unity. I really appreciate all the information. it’s great to get someone’s perspective who already has one.
Glad it helped. I'll be doing an update on the 2022 changes that are coming up in the Unity, so stay tuned!
Thank you for the info. I was glad to learn people's opinions on some of the options. Your RV lifestyle/needs, reliability of the systems, and cost all play factors on what options you need or want.
Edit: I would love to see the Unity Murphy Bed on the Ford platform due to the all wheel drive of the Ford.
The Wonder has a Murphy bed floorplan, but without the slide. Just makes for a smaller bed than the Unity, but no slide can be a plus
Thanks for sharing the information it's just what I needed to know
Great! Hope you enjoy LTV life!
So if you have the Macerator toilet, do you need the macerator pump to dump also?
I'm not really sure to be honest with you. I think it may just macerate before it sends to black tank
OMG, we're gonna run out of propane. Not really. Last year we started a trip from SOCAL in August for a four month trip to the Canadian Maritimes. Ran the refrigerator on propane almost exclusively because when it's hot the 12V house batteries will not keep the frig cold. Particularly with the sun beating down on the the side of the coach and the temps over 90F. Ran the generator the last hour on the road to cool the house. When we were in Canada, we used the furnace three or four nights a week. Six weeks into the trip we had used 40% of the tank. Could have easily gone another week or ten days. Or to put that into perspective, another 15 or 20 propane fill stations. Get the macerator. Saves time and it's cleaner. Don't put something down the toilet that will break it.
Good info! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for this reply. Glad to hear the propane lasts for a good long time. Do you know if the propane generator is quieter than the Diesel? The three concerns I've heard on the Diesel are Noise, Smell (fumes), and no autostart.
@@stevetrei4801 It's 3 or 4 decibels quieter than diesel, and I'm sure the fumes are less. No autostart on the diesel is correct. Not sure why.
@@Pagosa I actually just purchased (ordered) a new Unity RL....and to my surprise a diesel generator is not an option for the Unity RL floorplan...this was confirmed by LTV, and if you go on their website and try to build a Unity RL model it will not give you the option for a diesel generator. I'm hoping the LP gen will do, and at least it comes with the auto start. I was also told that the reason why the diesel generators don't have the auto start feature has to do with heat issues and safety concerns.
@@barberdean4714 Interesting. It might be a size issue with the RL. I know many things are different with the RL, even the towing capacity. Good to know!
Good info! I have a Unity CB on order. I checked my phone for a message at 10:52 .
Yep, iPhone sound effects, lol. Congrats on the CB!
Hi Brandon! This morning we sent in the 10K deposit for our 2021 (2022?) LTV Unity. As always, I value your opinions and evaluations. We ordered ours with two Fantastik Fans but I saw your recommendation about the Maxx air fan. I checked it out and I agree. They appear to be better. My question is, If we choose not to get the Fantastik Fans in the build, will the holes have to be cut in the roof to add the Maxx Fans or do they just blank off the spot where the fans would have went?
They actually fit in the same space, so it’s just an easy switch out. (I say easy, as you may want a pro to do it so there are no leaks.) congrats on the Unity!
@@Pagosa Thank you for the quick response!
Great video Brandon. We are about to order a LTV MB and are finalizing choices on options so your comments are quite useful. We were able to see a LTV MB last week for the first time. What are your impressions of the driving experience of your Unity? I see lots of comments online about the need for suspension upgrades (such as shocks or Sumo springs). Are you considering changes, or are you satisfied with the way it drives/handles?
Thank you!
Hey, thanks for watching. I'm doing a video on the driving experience very soon, so be on the lookout for that. As far as the suspension, I think the new MB chassis is fine. The prior chassis, from my understanding, benefits greatly from an upgraded sway bar and such. I actually had a cross wind experience you can see in this video: ua-cam.com/video/fvq5VkWcc8Y/v-deo.html Thanks again!
Great videos -- thank you! The unit I'm interested in has a macerator toilet included, which I'm guessing is not a duplication of the macerator hose pump. Or is it?
Glad you enjoyed it. The macerated toilet is different. It’s because the toilet is not directly above the black tank, so gravity does it’s job. The macerator hose is to smog they black tank with a pump rather than gravity
Step 1: Be able to afford an LTV 😭😭😭 Haha just messing around, thank you for the informative video! In the meantime I shall live vicariously through you and dream to own one some day! 🙌🏻🤘🏻
I know, right? Thanks for watching!
The diesel gen is not auto start to avoid emptying the tank. Safety feature...
It actually shuts off when the tank gets to 1/4 full anyway. So still a mystery why no auto gen start
Although you mention it in your video, you do not recommend the Fan upgrade and recommend updating the standard fans to a Maxair fan deluxe? I am waiting on a build date for my 2021 WFTB, so I have time to delete the option. Thank you again for all the helpful information
Hi, congrats on the Wonder. The fan upgrade in the bathroom has a tendency to close and stop due to humidity from the shower, which is when you want the fan to work. I don't have the option, so I don't have first hand experience, but have heard from many. I have not upgraded to the max air, but I do think it's a great option and will do it soon.
Great information and analysis, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I’d love the look without a ladder. But, what kind of portable ladder should I have so that I can store in the LTV in case I need it ? Pls advise. Thanks!
I've seen some RVers with the telescoping ladders, but not sure if they would fit in an outside bay, so you may have to carry it in the coach itself. Did you see my video where I regretted not having a ladder?
@@Pagosa I did watch your video on regretting not have the back ladder installed initially. However I still like the clean look without a ladder. Thanks.
I am assuming the engine is diesel. If so what is the requirements for diesel. I.e. 5% biofuel. Our m-b sprinter diesel requires 5% fuel. Here in Texas where I live that is not good. So we have had to replace the fuel filter 3x and stopped a month trip due to fuel line troubles New are unable to find the correct diesel ratio.
The new chassis allows up to 5% biofuel I believe, so it should be a bit better. If you search on UA-cam for 2019 MB Sprinter chassis, there are some good videos of MB people talking about the new engine
@@Pagosa in Texas you will be very lucky to find 5%. Most stations don’t even label. I found the Ford 450 with 350 and turbo to be the way go. It takes just gas. If you research you will find more RV factory companies going away from diesel. Only in Europe can be find clean diesel fuel. Good luck.
Thanks for sharing
You bet!
Would like to see this rig with a pop top
That would be something to see
This is helpful info. Thank you
Good luck!
Thanks I'm still jn the research process of trying to decide which van I want. Right now all I know is I want a dry bath everything else is still up in the air.
Research is half the fun! You can't go wrong with a Leisure Travel Van for sure.
I’m curious…what do you do for your pets now that you dont have the generator auto-start? We are getting our new LTV next week. It was a customer cancellation so we did not choose the options. It comes with a diesel generator. We had auto start in our previous Pleasure Way Ascent so I’m not quite sure how to handle situations where the dog cannot come with us and it’s hot outside… Any ideas are welcome. Thank you!
We purposely didn't get the propane with auto start as I was advised by someone at LTV that it gives a false sense of security. The propane generators can vapor lock and not self start. And if you are counting on it and leave your pets in, then not a good thing. So if we leave them in the coach, we have it plugged in, or our Lithionics battery system runs the coach for up to 4 hours. Also if we are at a place where the generator is not welcome, then the battery system is a dream as well. you can learn more about our setup at pagosasupply.co/lithium
Thanks for the video. Great info
Thanks!
Macerator is the best.
Lot's of folks love theirs for sure
You just popped up on my UA-cam searches. I live in Ft. Worth. Did you buy your LTV from VOGT in Ft. Worth?
I did. Was very fortunate I did not have to wait long for mine.
@@Pagosa keep us apprised of how well VOGT does with servicing your LTV!
@@gosman949 I don't plan on using them as I store our LTV at National Indoor RV Centers and so far, they've done a great job on the little things, such as fix our Equalizer Leveling System. Plus it's stored there and I don't have to take it all the way down to VOGT. I'm sure VOGT would do a good job as everyone I met there were good people.
@@Pagosa Yes you probably met Race. He has been there a long time. National Indoor RV is a very nice indoor facility! I have seen it. So they can do all your warranty work?
Very helpful. Thank you!
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Great video, my friend. Thanks for taking the time.
Appreciate it!
With it being 1.5 years out for ordering I assume you had to pay msrp? That’s what I was quoted.
No, I was fortunate to get mine in May after I ordered in February. Then the basic price was 7% off sticker if I remember correctly
Is the diesel generator louder than the propane and do you notice the diesel exhaust smell? Thanks!
I’ve heard it’s slightly louder. I’ve never heard the propane in person, but the diesel is noticeable outside the RV and a bit inside. I’m sure the Propane is just as noticeable even if it’s slightly less loud. The fumes are there if you are right near exhaust.
@@Pagosa Thank you!
Hi are you able to reveal what it costs to insure the LTV? Very much considering buying one soon.
Sure, much cheaper than I thought it would be. About $800 a year with GEICO. You won’t regret it, so go get an LTV!
@@Pagosa Me and husband are watching your videos now!! Please tell me how to go about buying one? Can you share the name of your sales agent?
@@Pagosa We live in Pittsburgh.
The best dealers I’ve heard of are Holland RV, Van City in Las Vegas and we bought from VOGT RV in Ft Worth. There is about an 18 month waitlist right now for new, but there are a couple I’ve seen for sale in our Facebook group.
@@Pagosa Thank you, thank you, thank you, would love to join in on your facebook group, please! Would love to see the ones for resale. I really appreciate you responding.
great tips. thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for sharing your experience with your FX, We have a 21 MB on order and have the LP gen ordered. I am flipping back and forth with modifying the order and getting the diesel gen over the LP gen. I am in Central TX where it is just as hot in the summer and plan to dry camp some of the time. I was under the impression the LP with auto start would be good for camping where the Gen / AC would not run all night and start / stop as needed based on the temp vs running the diesel gen all night to power the AC. As well I am not confident in the supply of LP in some of the areas we plan on going. What has been your experience with the diesel gen running the AC all night in the hot Texas heat? I have read there are Auto start systems for the diesel gens avail 3rd party. I do not understand why they do not offer auto start for the diesel gen. :
I haven't ran it all night, but there would be no problem with it. It is extremely loud, so a good nights sleep might not be there. The diesel will shut itself off if your fuel tank gets to 1/4 tank. I'm not sure of usage either. A commenter below said her propane would last quite long. Don at LTV is the one who told me I needed the diesel, so assume he knows something we don't. It is almost 4k more to get it over the LP though, so don't think you could go wrong with LP if you wanted to save the dough.
I have had a propane generator on our airstream interstate for 4 years and have had no issues finding propane. When we were looking at getting a Unity, I was researching this option as well, I heard that Diesel generators are more quiet which is a plus, but propane is a cleaner fuel which to me means less maintenance. So with that all being said, I don't think there is a clear winner, both have positives and negatives.
@@cheftodd Thanks for the input. I will say our diesel gen is LOUD! Just ordered Battleborn Lithiums, so hopefully only have to use the gen for AC as needed and for nothing else.
@@Pagosa after you get those lithium batteries please do a video, if you don't mind me asking what is the cost of adding that upgrade? I'm guessing at least 7k? I'm interested in upgrading mine as well since I can't find a 2019 or 2020 or 2021 unity :( we really like our airstream but really want the extra space, ducted ac, leveling system and a dozen other features that airstream doesn't have.
@@cheftodd I sure will. It wasn't that much, as we just had to buy two batteries. Our 2020 is equipped with everything needed to do a quick swap out of the AGM's. Our inverter, solar controller and all is compatible. The folks at Battleborn went through all the specs on our equipment to make sure. Great customer service. Now some of the older RVs will have to have new inverter, converter and possible solar controller switch out. Also checking wire gauges is a thing too I've heard. If you can find an LTV, go for it!
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Thanks!
If you were buying today, would you consider the Wonder over the Unity?
No, I would still choose the Unity for several reasons. It's a bit larger in the cab which is more comfortable in driving as well as going back and forth from house to cab. Plus a step up in features in the house, such as added storage and from what I saw when I toured both, a bit of quality increase in the Unity. Could be different now with the new wonders.
@@Pagosa Yes, those and ducted air, leveling jacks and higher tow capacity. Ford Transit is cheaper, easier and less expensive to get service and some say quieter and nicer to drive. Still trying to decide between Class B and B+.
@@randemarco You can get the leveling system on the new Transit Chassis. I'm not sure if LTV is doing it as an option yet, but they can be added third party now. You can't go wrong with a Wonder or a Unity for sure.
What to look out in a used Van?
What's your question?
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I had the dealer install the macerator and it took me using it 3 times to come to the decision to remove it. It stinks, it is adding more hose connections adding the risk of leaks in more places. DON'T GET IT!
I watched a locksmith open one of the safes with a magnet - it literally took him 5 seconds to open it. Waste of money.
Agree on the macerator.
I don't understand why any manufacturer still uses the Fantastic Fan setup. No comparison to the Maxxair system. We have a Coachmen Galleria and during some warm nights could not keep the Fantastic Fan venting because any small rain sprinkle shuts down the fan. When we got back I ordered the Maxxair which will continue to vent even in a rain storm.
I hate my Fantastic Fan. Second time I used it, had to get a screwdriver to close it as the dial was already stripped.
What's the name of your Facebook page?
Just search Pagosa Adventures and you should find it.
Thanks *very* much for your review. I am new to all of this but the LTV has definitely caught my attention. I am still in the early stages of assessing wonder versus unity, and the various models, although the twin bed unity is currently in the lead. One problem for me is that I live in New Jersey, and while there is a dealer 70 miles away in Pennsylvania, online comments do not suggest that they are well thought of. Does anybody have any suggestions for a good/respected dealer I should contact from a remote distance? My wife and I are recently retired, and we’d like to do a national tour of most of the national parks and other sites to see while we are still able (I have MS, so mobility may become a problem for me in a few years). We might also use an RV for snowbirding between New Jersey, North Carolina (where my daughter lives), and Florida. Thanks!
Hey Richard, you can't go wrong with an LTV. I actually saw my first LTV at Van City in Las Vegas, and their sales person Nancy Villegas is active on the Facebook forum and also an LTV owner herself. I bought from Vogt RV in Ft. Worth, TX and they were good as well. The main differences between Unity and Wonder are size of cab, headroom in house (Wonder does not have ducted air, so the air conditioner actually hangs down from ceiling and a taller person may hit their head. The Wonders also have a bit less interior storage, but their TB model has best in class outside storage. I own a Unity and very happy with it. Either one, you won't go wrong.
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Thank you sir. My other current problem, again due to being based in NJ, is to determine where I can go to actually see and touch a 2021 Unity and Wonder. The internet is great, but seeing and touching will be a must.
@@wetmore55 Best bet is to post in the Facebook group if anyone is close that could let you take a look. As far as I can tell, no dealer has any that are not already sold, so walking in one is going to be a difficult proposition as far as a dealer is concerned.
Have you tried Fretz RV in Souderton Pa? They are dealers for Leisure but I was told by them that there is a 2 year waiting time. I did purchase a Coachmen Galleria from them a few years ago and they have been great to work with for repair work.
@@daviddickson1403 Yes, thank you. I spoke with them. The 2 year issue is definitely a problem.
Really helpful. Thanks.
Great! Glad it helped