Thanks for these 2 videos. We started our shopping with the Unity, but ended up ordering a Wonder FTB. You hit on our reasons - Ford Chassis/gas & Floorplan that worked best for us, including no slider. I got to road test the wonder & loved the handling. Done! I agree that both are terrific, just pick what fits your individual needs.
I'd have said a major one is having a ford dealer network virtually everywhere - huge plus for chassis maintenance & emergency repair. Most independent shops can also help you with a ford engine & chassis while a Mercedes diesel engine is a very different thing to them and even typical chassis parts are far less available.
I have owned an MB Class B and a Ford and Ram gas Class B. As you note, there are advantages to both. On the drive train/service issue, I find a major factor in not only the cost of service but in the ability to actually get service when you need it. MB dealers are usually only in urban/suburban areas. If you travel the Western US, a major factor. Plus no dealing with DEF, limping home etc. Finally, even if you find an MB dealer, some will not service an RV. So despite some negatives, I would only consider a gas vehicle. Thanks for posting!
Just wanted you to know that after last week’s comparison video, I kept checking each day for this one. As a first time rv guy who just ordered a Wonder RL, I have viewed many of your videos. I find them extremely informative, and believe they are doing a great job in helping prepare me for the rv world. Keep them coming. Between you and the Wedlands, maybe I’ll be able to avoid some of the common newbie errors.
Pagosa - thank you for all of your videos. We will be placing an order for the chop/charcuterie board! Mercurio- Excited like you to see comparison videos. For me back to back on the same night! New RV ers ourselves. Expected to receive our delivery, built on a 2022 chassis November 2021, of the Wonder RL Euro Sport we ordered November 2020. Due to COVID delivery delayed until 2022 Per a phone call received 2 months ago from the Dealership. Does that make sense? Initially wanted a mobile office. Now just want it as a personal travel-adventure vehicle. Loved the RTB exterior garage but hated the interior step-up. Happy with our RL choice! Named her Wonderful! It’s a she. Can’t wait to meet you’s on the road!
I love the Wonder RTB. For the garage, gas engine, better price so I can get options 😁. I do like some of the Unity floorplans. The only thing I love about the Unity is the espresso wood options. I love that option. I really wish they had that option for the Wonder. As for the Rear Lounge for Wonder and Unity, you are 100% correct the window placement in the Unity is SO wrong. Loved your video 👍😁 Thanks
Another reason, and one of the MAJOR reasons IMHO, is that the Wonder is a Ford. Even if you have a service issue or breakdown OTR there is probably a Ford dealer in the next town or located close by that can resolve the issue. There >might< be a Mercedes shop but more likely there >will< be a Ford shop. If for that reason alone I'd pick the Wonder.
Bike garage is a major necessity for my expensive MTB. I don't want to have to worry about it being locked up outside on a carrier. Great job on the LTV comparisons!
Thank you for your comparisons on the Leisure Travel Van products. I haven't really been interested in any other brand names, but it's always nice to hear that I'm making the right decision between the Wonder and Unity. I ordered a Wonder RTB in September 2020. I have not had a build yet. Still waiting, and staying in contact with my dealer. Your video today reconfirmed that many of those reasons we're the ones I preferred over the Unity. Keep making your videos, because I keep learning more every single week! 🙂
I just discovered this channel and appreciate all the information you share. At first I was all-in on the Unity but I am very disappointed the bike garage is not offered in it. We are just in the first steps of looking into purchasing an RV as I have officially retired and my hubby will be joining me in that category in less than 2 years. We are looking into purchasing a couple of electric bikes and having the bike garage in the Wonder is a big game changer. Otherwise I would choose the Unity 24MB. I really like that interior best.
HI Brandon, I purchased a WONDER FTB last summer and I love it. I was fortunate enough to get an older model which still had the available diesel engine. It gets great fuel mileage but the cockpit is smaller, regretably as my rv'ing partner is a bit squished in the passenger seat. Only a whisper more room on the drivers side. I have also owned the UNITY FX (2018) and so can make a true comparison. much roomier cockpit for both passenger and drivers sides in the UNITY. We only kept the UNITY for about 6 months. My partner just couldn't transition mentally down to the 24 ft size (We are diesel pusher people 37 ft. and up) So we only had a 2 day trip together (during covid) and I went solo for about 5 days. I liked it, but admittedly, pulling the bed down every night gets mundane very fast, easy as it may be, I still found it annoying. After 3 days, I just slept on the seats where you eat, but I left it as a daybed. It was surprisingly comfortable enough and wide enough that I slept ok. Anyway, I am happy with my front twin bed, I love the versatility and that it is ready as soon as I walk through the coach door. It has the biggest shower of all the units that LTV makes. I was very sad to learn they have discontinued that floorplan. When I spoke to Dean about it , he said it was a European floorplan and it just didn't take off here in NA. Thanks, love your vids.
Ok, you own a Unity. One of the things you said about purchasing your Unity that made a big difference for you was the ducted air conditioning in the Unity where in the Wonder the air conditioner is just in the ceiling. You made mention of how much nosier the air conditioning is in the Wonder. Can you expound on that? I am trying to determine just how different the two are when in actual use and if this should be a major game changer on which to order...the Unity or the Wonder. Thanks so much for all your help.
I think the biggest issue with the Wonder AC is that it's air dump is out of the unit that hangs out of the ceiling in the back. The hottest part of your coach will be the front half, as the cab and the majority of windows will be upfront (unless you have RL). The Unity air is distributed through the ducts to the front cooling it off quicker and more evenly. I don't think the noise factor will be your deciding issue, but the distribution. Also if you are over 6' tall, the AC hangs below that in a wonder and you will have to duck your head in the back. Hope this helps.
Thank you will put in my order in a few weeks back & forth I go here in California I do like the AWD will make long trips weather who knows he said it will be a 2025 order any changes coming for 2025 as of now Wonder & floor plan ? still looking great info
For several years Triple-E made a great 4-season motorhome: the Regency GT. My dream is a comparable winter package for the Wonder, especially the dual pane acrylic windows.
I was hoping you compared the cargo carrying capacity. Dean from LTV said the Wonder had 1,853 lbs. Somewhere I read the Unity only had 800 lbs. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Each unit and floorplan will be different. My Unity FX with most options including a heavy generator is 1,502 pounds. The Wonder may have a few hundred more depending on options, but each unit is going to be different depending on several aspects.
Thanks for the comparison discussion. One suggestion, when comparing gas and diesel always remember to point out diesel is almost always more expensive, sometimes quite a bit more. Allen
Looking forward to the Tireminder review. I'm putting Michelin tires on our 2019 Serenity in the next few weeks and want to be able to monitor them easily. I have been considering the Tireminder brand. I truly don't understand why this isn't standard on any RV MH seeing how important tires are. BTW, your charcuterie board looked delicious!
The price of diesel fuel compared to gas is often 17-20% more plus you listed $20,000 difference in purchase. So, it would seem when adding in maintenance cost the actual difference would be nil. However, I “believe” the diesel idles much better than gas when it is just too hot for only one air conditioner. Also, we use an additive, as recommended by my mechanic, for the diesel and the aggravation and cost of DEF probably makes the diesel more expensive to operate than the gas. Currently our MB had to have a new turbo at 60,000 probably due to a dust ball going through after a recent service!
I listened to both reviews. Trying to keep it simple , love the gas generator and gas engine. No slides and no jacks. Keeping it simple. Just one question on jacks. I don’t think wonder comes with them. I’ve always had jacks on my two 33 footers on A and C’s. Do I really really need jacks. I’m not getting this for campground use. Just errand driving and boondocking. Ok maybe an on occasion I will do a campground but that’s not what it’s overall purpose is. Thoughts!!!
I could live with out the leveling jacks, but wouldn't want to. I agree, less stuff, less problems! Good luck on your research, and you can't go wrong with either the Wonder or the Unity.
Hello thanks for the comparaison and it confirm that the Wonder RTB that we ordered September 2020 is the right choice for us the garage and the Ford transit….I have a question in this video behind your head is a kind of neck support….can you tell me what is that product ?….Best regards from Trois-Rivières Québec….and waiting to receive our Wonder to order the wood conter top cutting board ! Yves H.
Hi Yves, my wife actually found that in a garage sale, but it's a Brookstone brand and attaches perfectly around the headrest. Not sure if they still make them or not, but you might do a search on their website. Congrats on the Wonder and you will love the cutting board, as it's so much more useful than the corian sink cover LTV gives you. Happy travels!
@@Pagosa Thanks Brandon keep up the nice podcast videos that you are producing...very cool and trustable....your tone and words chosen are right on the nose ! I have been in the radio and tv broadcasting industry for more then 25 years and with a lot of humility i know a little bit what i am talking about 😌 Best regards from the french part on North America !
We order the wonder RTB jus because of bike the garage and no slide out ,had a slide in our other RV sunseeker,,its was so noisy and realy not well constructed that with our bad road of Quebec we fell that the RV would fall appart....
I would max out lithium and inverter! I did in my Unity and ran my AC for a few hours on battery for my pups while we went to lunch with family we were visiting. HUGE luxury.
Do you or someone know how much legroom is in the driver's seat of the Unity vs the Wonder. I'm 6'4" tall and found that the Unity (2018 model) didn't have enough legroom for me. I'm mostly legs with 36 inseam. Lots of 6'4" or greater guys can get by with 32 or 34 inseam pants. Therefore, they would have no issues with legroom in most vehicles.
My Unity, which is on the newer chassis is probably OK for you. I'm 6'2" and don't have the seat all the way back. I assume they made it a bit larger than the previous chassis?
I think I finally figured it out. I was in the market for a Ford F-450 and they don't have one either, but the F-350 do. Both the Unity and the F-450 use Continental tires which I believe don't allow the TPMS due to their side wall construction.
Our concern with the Wonder over the Unity is towing. Wonder doesn't seem to have the ability to tow much. IF we wanted to add a small car/jeep etc it wouldn't allow us. But love the price, love the storage.
Unity would be much better for towing a car for sure. Also search for my videos on best tow cars for Leisure travel vans, as jeeps are really too heavy, but doable. Will give you some stuff to think about.
By the way, regarding your comment whether Wonder orders are now outnumbering Unity orders, I don’t think we are close to that yet. When we ordered our Wonder with Vogt RV, the order tally board had 30 Unity models versus 8 Wonders. Wonder orders may be gaining steam, but it still seems that Unity holds a strong first place spot.
I made essentially the same comment on your other vid: There are some good reasons to buy the Ford chassis over the Benz. If you hang out around big cities all the time, service for the German truck won't be a problem - other than the legendary cost of Benz parts and service. There will be somebody who's willing to fix the Ford virtually in any settlement with a population over fifty. I don't have numbers on comparative reliability, but our experience with commercial Benz van chassis is that they were so unreliable as to be unownable. I dearly hope they're not all like that. The Ford is likely no Toyota, but again, there's a dealer or independent shop just about everywhere that will be willing to get you running again.
That’s a bit of a misnomer in that very few Ford dealers will work on motorhomes. At the end of the day, both ford and mb engines are robust and very rare for a need for service while out on the road
Thanks for that part 2, it does consolidate our decision to go with a Wonder RTB. I didn’t know about AWD but it’s definitely an added benefit in Quebec. The garage is probably the biggest thing for us as we travel with both mountain and road bikes, SUP and a wonderful 100 lbs dog. We’re officially ordering next week.
All wheel drive option says it all. That alone gives the Leisure Wonder the advantage over all and any other Travel van. Why travel all over the country without four wheel drive?
It's actually not four wheel drive, just AWD. It may help a bit in some sand or something, but it's so much lower to the ground than the Unity, you wouldn't want to take this off road at all.
@@Pagosa its very light off road capable. And Considering most camp sites around the country are ‘off road.’ And 99.9% of customers shopping for a camper with off road capability aren’t going to question the difference between four wheel drive and AWD unless the dealer brings up the difference first.
@@king-xerxus7040 I wouldn't take a Wonder off paved or smooth gravel road. would be a very bad idea. 4x4 and AWD are completely different animals and Mercedes offers a true 4x4 in the Sprinter used for class B's that are much higher off ground with differentials designed for more incompatible terrain. The Ford AWD is like a car, maybe a bit more traction in a bit of ice or sand. The Wonder is literally maybe 5 inches off ground and one rock would puncture a tank, rip off your macerator etc. Highly advise not to leave the roadway.
@@Pagosa and the Mercedes tows more too. I noticed a lot of ‘goings on’ underneath the Ford though. Very light off-road capable. Many camp sights have ‘paved roadbeds’ with very little rough spots, but, still classified as being off road though.
As one of the many who have put down a large deposit on a Unity (RL) months ago it's beyond me why Mercedes hasn't stepped up and made the TPMS feature standard on their chassis'.....I absolutely love the LTV Unity....but really Mercedes....this is a huge oversight....and given Mercedes reputation for safety innovation I'm truly at a loss here to explain or defend Mercedes on this issue.....all the other points you raised re the Wonder over the Unity I could live happily ever after without regrets in my Unity RL. I hope by the time I actually get my Unity, which is looking more likely to be a 2023 model, that Mercedes has righted the TPMS issue on their chassis. Thanks for the review.
Each unit and floor plan is different. But probably in the 1,500 to 1,800 range. My Unity FX with all options (generator and levelers) is 1,502 pounds.
I was Wondering if you would cause me to run out and change my order from a Unity to a Ford Wonder. The short answer is no, but I would be interested in comparing the 2 vehicles fully loaded travelling through a mountain pass. I would be really surprised if the Ford would out perform a Mercedes diesel in this situation.
It's not even compatible. The Ford has way more hp and torque and will run away from the sprinter. Don't get caught in the diesel does better. Typically diesel engines have more torque than gas engines but not in this case. It's not even close. I don't like the Ford at all, the the power is hands down way more than the sprinter.
@@rvlife1 Run away is a relative term, but, if true, I’m still sticking with the Unity. It’s a personal choice, I like the look of the Unity better, not a fan of the open interior cabinets on the Wonder, MB has a bigger cockpit and better fit and finish than the Ford. We’ve had both ducted and non ducted ac and I would not go back to a non ducted hvac system. Both the Transit and the Sprinter both scored 3/5 on reliability which isn’t great. It really comes down to what’s important to you and what you’re willing to pay for the features you want. Honestly, I don’t believe you would go wrong either way. It’s very much like having a discussion with someone deciding between Ford and Chev…you’re probably not going to convince either one of them to change their mind 😂
@@kelowna_bc I have the new Sprinter chassis and like it better than the Ford. Everything is overall better except for the power. Number don't lie. Over 50% more hp and 30% more torque with the Ford. Not even close on that one.
I do think the Sprinter would do much better. The high HP and Torque for the Transit is measured at 5,500 RPM (which is obviously unsustainable) and so while taking off from stopped will be faster in the Transit, overall hill climbing would be much better in the sprinter in my opinion.
@@Pagosa I wished that were the case. I've driven both a Wonder TB as well as tried to keep up with one on grade. It's not even close. It's almost laughable. When I say blow away from you, it's not an exaggeration.
You will have to always fight being overweight in the Wonder....but love the service & domestic parts availability for the Wonder. Overall, can’t go wrong with either one though.
Just learned that the reason it’s not a good idea is the height of the vehicle. Some people who put them on after market have hit and bent leveling legs.
I’m a little surprised you didn’t mention the far superior ride that the Wonder has vs. the Unity. So many Unity owners take their brand new Unity’s and upgrade the springs right away due to the poor ride. Another big difference which you kind of mentioned in passing is the power but really the difference is the performance feel. If you were to drive a Wonder and Unity back to back you’d see the difference between the two is night and day with the Ford coming out on top. The Mercedes diesel does lag like every other non-chipped diesel while the Wonder has the instant on performance that people are used to in the passenger vehicles. Last item I’d mention is the reduced cabin noise of the Wonder vs. Unity. Again, this is immediately apparent if you were to have driven both. I hope that one day you get some seat time in a Wonder because to date the stuff you post about the Wonder is just based off what you read and not what you actually experience which is unfortunate. I applaud the attempt but I think you went for the easy reasons and not the reasons that people who have either switched or driven both would chose.
It’s all about trade offs. The older MB chassis, this was probably true. But the newer has a beefed up sway bar. The added height to the Unity causes more sway. But the height gives you the ability to have auto leveling. You are correct that I haven’t driven one. As far as ride, I can’t imagine the Ford being better than my Unity. It’s a dream. Also we have virtually no cabin noise, so I don’t think that would be a selling point in a VS competition. The power might be a selling point, but I’m not drag racing my Unity and the take off power trade off for my 19mpg is a win in my book. I would still choose the Unity & MB again, but think the Wonder is a great option as well. Thanks for watching.
It’s usually the passenger side of your rv that will have the door and most windows facing your “camp” in an RV park with your picnic table, concrete pad etc. The electric, water and sewer connection is on the other side
@@Pagosa Brandon, the DEF issues have been mostly confined to the Cummins power plant, if I understand correctly. Are you aware of Mercedes having similar problems?
@@Pagosa LTV's website says >>> The North-American built 2020 Ford Transit 350 Cutaway chassis has a twin-turbocharged 3.5L EcoBoost® V6 with 310 horsepower, 400 lb.-ft. of torque... but its achieved at 5500 Rpm (Google Search). Who screams around town at 5500 Rpm? At least the MB numbers are more realistic.
@@Pagosa Her GPS in the car, very often gets the house number, street, and City, all three wrong. The AC is the worst I have ever seen. She has a 2020 GLE 350. We live in Frisco.
@@mikecoates6439 wow, that's crazy. We usually use Car play with google maps, so don't really mess with the MB nav. Our AC in the Unity is great though. I have a business location at the Star in Frisco, but live in Las Colinas.
The Wonder is a wonder; as in, I wonder why any sane person would buy anything with a Ford logo. For the loads, the ecobust engine will not last 100k miles.
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I love how the wonder has the rear lounge it gives you the feeling of having a room away from everything.
Unity has the same floorplan as well.
Thanks for these 2 videos. We started our shopping with the Unity, but ended up ordering a Wonder FTB. You hit on our reasons - Ford Chassis/gas & Floorplan that worked best for us, including no slider. I got to road test the wonder & loved the handling. Done! I agree that both are terrific, just pick what fits your individual needs.
That’s great. Congrats!
I'd have said a major one is having a ford dealer network virtually everywhere - huge plus for chassis maintenance & emergency repair. Most independent shops can also help you with a ford engine & chassis while a Mercedes diesel engine is a very different thing to them and even typical chassis parts are far less available.
The only problem is very few Ford dealers will work on transits and motorhomes, but prob still more than MB
I have owned an MB Class B and a Ford and Ram gas Class B. As you note, there are advantages to both. On the drive train/service issue, I find a major factor in not only the cost of service but in the ability to actually get service when you need it. MB dealers are usually only in urban/suburban areas. If you travel the Western US, a major factor. Plus no dealing with DEF, limping home etc. Finally, even if you find an MB dealer, some will not service an RV. So despite some negatives, I would only consider a gas vehicle. Thanks for posting!
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Just wanted you to know that after last week’s comparison video, I kept checking each day for this one. As a first time rv guy who just ordered a Wonder RL, I have viewed many of your videos. I find them extremely informative, and believe they are doing a great job in helping prepare me for the rv world. Keep them coming. Between you and the Wedlands, maybe I’ll be able to avoid some of the common newbie errors.
That's awesome! Congrats on the Wonder RL, you will have a blast!
Pagosa - thank you for all of your videos. We will be placing an order for the chop/charcuterie board!
Mercurio- Excited like you to see comparison videos. For me back to back on the same night! New RV ers ourselves. Expected to receive our delivery, built on a 2022 chassis November 2021, of the Wonder RL Euro Sport we ordered November 2020. Due to COVID delivery delayed until 2022 Per a phone call received 2 months ago from the Dealership. Does that make sense? Initially wanted a mobile office. Now just want it as a personal travel-adventure vehicle. Loved the RTB exterior garage but hated the interior step-up. Happy with our RL choice! Named her Wonderful! It’s a she. Can’t wait to meet you’s on the road!
I’ll take whichever, just give me something! I need to hit the road ASAP this midlife crisis is hitting me hard, great video thanks for the info
Understand! Hope you are able to get one soon
Hi your thought on the Phoenix TRX Ford AWD also Thanks
I’ve only seen one I person once and I thought the build quality was good. Hope that helps
I love the Wonder RTB. For the garage, gas engine, better price so I can get options 😁. I do like some of the Unity floorplans. The only thing I love about the Unity is the espresso wood options. I love that option. I really wish they had that option for the Wonder. As for the Rear Lounge for Wonder and Unity, you are 100% correct the window placement in the Unity is SO wrong. Loved your video 👍😁 Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another reason, and one of the MAJOR reasons IMHO, is that the Wonder is a Ford. Even if you have a service issue or breakdown OTR there is probably a Ford dealer in the next town or located close by that can resolve the issue. There >might< be a Mercedes shop but more likely there >will< be a Ford shop. If for that reason alone I'd pick the Wonder.
Much better chance for sure, but unfortunately not all Ford dealers will work on Transits.
The number one reason to buy a Ford I know from experience.
Bike garage is a major necessity for my expensive MTB. I don't want to have to worry about it being locked up outside on a carrier. Great job on the LTV comparisons!
It's an envious feature for sure!
Thank you for your comparisons on the Leisure Travel Van products. I haven't really been interested in any other brand names, but it's always nice to hear that I'm making the right decision between the Wonder and Unity. I ordered a Wonder RTB in September 2020. I have not had a build yet. Still waiting, and staying in contact with my dealer. Your video today reconfirmed that many of those reasons we're the ones I preferred over the Unity. Keep making your videos, because I keep learning more every single week! 🙂
That’s great! I know you will love it!
I just discovered this channel and appreciate all the information you share. At first I was all-in on the Unity but I am very disappointed the bike garage is not offered in it. We are just in the first steps of looking into purchasing an RV as I have officially retired and my hubby will be joining me in that category in less than 2 years. We are looking into purchasing a couple of electric bikes and having the bike garage in the Wonder is a big game changer. Otherwise I would choose the Unity 24MB. I really like that interior best.
That’s what’s great about LTV. They have something for everyone. Can’t go wrong and thanks for watching!
HI Brandon, I purchased a WONDER FTB last summer and I love it. I was fortunate enough to get an older model which still had the available diesel engine. It gets great fuel mileage but the cockpit is smaller, regretably as my rv'ing partner is a bit squished in the passenger seat. Only a whisper more room on the drivers side. I have also owned the UNITY FX (2018) and so can make a true comparison. much roomier cockpit for both passenger and drivers sides in the UNITY. We only kept the UNITY for about 6 months. My partner just couldn't transition mentally down to the 24 ft size (We are diesel pusher people 37 ft. and up) So we only had a 2 day trip together (during covid) and I went solo for about 5 days. I liked it, but admittedly, pulling the bed down every night gets mundane very fast, easy as it may be, I still found it annoying. After 3 days, I just slept on the seats where you eat, but I left it as a daybed. It was surprisingly comfortable enough and wide enough that I slept ok.
Anyway, I am happy with my front twin bed, I love the versatility and that it is ready as soon as I walk through the coach door. It has the biggest shower of all the units that LTV makes. I was very sad to learn they have discontinued that floorplan. When I spoke to Dean about it , he said it was a European floorplan and it just didn't take off here in NA. Thanks, love your vids.
I love that front bed plan. So sad it’s not continuing. Agree, the FX is great except making the living room a bedroom. Safe travels!
Ok, you own a Unity. One of the things you said about purchasing your Unity that made a big difference for you was the ducted air conditioning in the Unity where in the Wonder the air conditioner is just in the ceiling. You made mention of how much nosier the air conditioning is in the Wonder. Can you expound on that? I am trying to determine just how different the two are when in actual use and if this should be a major game changer on which to order...the Unity or the Wonder. Thanks so much for all your help.
I think the biggest issue with the Wonder AC is that it's air dump is out of the unit that hangs out of the ceiling in the back. The hottest part of your coach will be the front half, as the cab and the majority of windows will be upfront (unless you have RL). The Unity air is distributed through the ducts to the front cooling it off quicker and more evenly. I don't think the noise factor will be your deciding issue, but the distribution. Also if you are over 6' tall, the AC hangs below that in a wonder and you will have to duck your head in the back. Hope this helps.
Thank you for the great vlog, always enjoy your input regarding this RV, a happy a grateful sub :-)
Thank you kindly!
Thank you will put in my order in a few weeks back & forth I go here in California I do like the AWD will make long trips weather who knows he said it will be a 2025 order any changes coming for 2025 as of now Wonder & floor plan ? still looking great info
There are several canceled orders popping up all the time now. So keep your eyes open and maybe find one sooner
We ended up ordering Wonder AWD RL. Our build is supposed to be started within this month.
Awesome, congrats!
For several years Triple-E made a great 4-season motorhome: the Regency GT. My dream is a comparable winter package for the Wonder, especially the dual pane acrylic windows.
For sure. I would love some winter camping without limits
I was hoping you compared the cargo carrying capacity. Dean from LTV said the Wonder had 1,853 lbs. Somewhere I read the Unity only had 800 lbs. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Each unit and floorplan will be different. My Unity FX with most options including a heavy generator is 1,502 pounds. The Wonder may have a few hundred more depending on options, but each unit is going to be different depending on several aspects.
@@Pagosa Thank you.
As mentioned, it depends on floor plan. I had the same question, emailed Leisure, and Dean responded within a few hours.
Thanks for the comparison discussion. One suggestion, when comparing gas and diesel always remember to point out diesel is almost always more expensive, sometimes quite a bit more. Allen
Thanks for the suggestion.
Looking forward to the Tireminder review. I'm putting Michelin tires on our 2019 Serenity in the next few weeks and want to be able to monitor them easily. I have been considering the Tireminder brand. I truly don't understand why this isn't standard on any RV MH seeing how important tires are. BTW, your charcuterie board looked delicious!
It was very delicious! And I agree it’s mind numbing that MB doesn’t have such a simple added layer of safety
Can you tack about the wonder flor plan
I've made a few videos about floorpans, so jump onto my page and search floorpans. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for putting me closer to buy the wonderful.extremely helpful video
Awesome! Glad it was helpful
Any recommendations for buying a used LTV, especially where to have an RV expert check it out before buying? Where in Northeast Ohio.
I help people find used LTVs, what are you looking for exactly?
@@Pagosa We’re in the Akron area. We like the Wonder model, but we’re worried about getting local service.
The price of diesel fuel compared to gas is often 17-20% more plus you listed $20,000 difference in purchase. So, it would seem when adding in maintenance cost the actual difference would be nil. However, I “believe” the diesel idles much better than gas when it is just too hot for only one air conditioner. Also, we use an additive, as recommended by my mechanic, for the diesel and the aggravation and cost of DEF probably makes the diesel more expensive to operate than the gas. Currently our MB had to have a new turbo at 60,000 probably due to a dust ball going through after a recent service!
The Wonder is certainly the more logical financial choice
Can you get it with one of those w/d combos?
There would be no room for that unfortunately
I listened to both reviews. Trying to keep it simple , love the gas generator and gas engine. No slides and no jacks. Keeping it simple. Just one question on jacks. I don’t think wonder comes with them. I’ve always had jacks on my two 33 footers on A and C’s. Do I really really need jacks. I’m not getting this for campground use. Just errand driving and boondocking. Ok maybe an on occasion I will do a campground but that’s not what it’s overall purpose is. Thoughts!!!
I could live with out the leveling jacks, but wouldn't want to. I agree, less stuff, less problems! Good luck on your research, and you can't go wrong with either the Wonder or the Unity.
Can the Wonder be retrofitted with water tank heaters for winter camping?
Not for hard freeze conditions. Heaters would help, but tanks and pipes are external. Much better choices if looking for a four season RV
How much in general does a routine oil change cost on the Mercedes diesel?
I think my last one was $168
Can you inflate the tires from inside the cabin?
no, but that would be awesome
@@Pagosa Yes, it would. It would be a very useful feature in any car but sadly Hummer H1 is the only vehicle I know of that has that feature.
Do you rent out you unity? Would love to try out before purchasing one.
I don’t, I’m way too OCD to have anyone even step in to look, lol
Hello thanks for the comparaison and it confirm that the Wonder RTB that we ordered September 2020 is the right choice for us the garage and the Ford transit….I have a question in this video behind your head is a kind of neck support….can you tell me what is that product ?….Best regards from Trois-Rivières Québec….and waiting to receive our Wonder to order the wood conter top cutting board ! Yves H.
Hi Yves, my wife actually found that in a garage sale, but it's a Brookstone brand and attaches perfectly around the headrest. Not sure if they still make them or not, but you might do a search on their website. Congrats on the Wonder and you will love the cutting board, as it's so much more useful than the corian sink cover LTV gives you. Happy travels!
@@Pagosa Thanks Brandon keep up the nice podcast videos that you are producing...very cool and trustable....your tone and words chosen are right on the nose !
I have been in the radio and tv broadcasting industry for more then 25 years and with a lot of humility i know a little bit what i am talking about 😌
Best regards from the french part on North America !
Wondering if that rear bike garage is 22 inches across to handle a small mobility scooter?
I don't have those measurements, but the LTV website might
Ordered a Unity last April... Changed our order to a Wonder RTB last week. Feel much better about our purchase.
And you extended out your delivery by 2 years!
Yeah, that bike garage is very worthy of envy!
Liked this video
thanks!
@@Pagosa They're beautiful Motorhomes
We order the wonder RTB jus because of bike the garage and no slide out ,had a slide in our other RV sunseeker,,its was so noisy and realy not well constructed that with our bad road of Quebec we fell that the RV would fall appart....
Oh my gosh, that's crazy! The LTV is built really well, so you shouldn't have any issues
@@Pagosa Im shure it will be better build at double the price of a sunseeker,,,LOL
@@payantjac9052 you won't be disappointed!
How would you spend the $20k diff on upgrades 🤔. Autolevelers, underbody spray lining, lithium battery and inverter upgrade?
I would max out lithium and inverter! I did in my Unity and ran my AC for a few hours on battery for my pups while we went to lunch with family we were visiting. HUGE luxury.
What is the Cargo Carrying Capacity in both models?
Each unit will be different depending on options. My Unity with everything including levelers has OCCC of 1,502.
Do you or someone know how much legroom is in the driver's seat of the Unity vs the Wonder. I'm 6'4" tall and found that the Unity (2018 model) didn't have enough legroom for me. I'm mostly legs with 36 inseam. Lots of 6'4" or greater guys can get by with 32 or 34 inseam pants. Therefore, they would have no issues with legroom in most vehicles.
My Unity, which is on the newer chassis is probably OK for you. I'm 6'2" and don't have the seat all the way back. I assume they made it a bit larger than the previous chassis?
My wife and I are 6’3”, we have leg room to drive the Wonder. We take our shoes off to not have our hair brush the ceiling.
What is wrong with Mercedes that they don’t have a TPMS. For the premium they charge it should be included.
I think I finally figured it out. I was in the market for a Ford F-450 and they don't have one either, but the F-350 do. Both the Unity and the F-450 use Continental tires which I believe don't allow the TPMS due to their side wall construction.
Our concern with the Wonder over the Unity is towing. Wonder doesn't seem to have the ability to tow much. IF we wanted to add a small car/jeep etc it wouldn't allow us. But love the price, love the storage.
Unity would be much better for towing a car for sure. Also search for my videos on best tow cars for Leisure travel vans, as jeeps are really too heavy, but doable. Will give you some stuff to think about.
By the way, regarding your comment whether Wonder orders are now outnumbering Unity orders, I don’t think we are close to that yet. When we ordered our Wonder with Vogt RV, the order tally board had 30 Unity models versus 8 Wonders. Wonder orders may be gaining steam, but it still seems that Unity holds a strong first place spot.
Interesting. I do see a swing coming though.
What licenses I need?
Just a drivers license
I made essentially the same comment on your other vid: There are some good reasons to buy the Ford chassis over the Benz. If you hang out around big cities all the time, service for the German truck won't be a problem - other than the legendary cost of Benz parts and service. There will be somebody who's willing to fix the Ford virtually in any settlement with a population over fifty. I don't have numbers on comparative reliability, but our experience with commercial Benz van chassis is that they were so unreliable as to be unownable. I dearly hope they're not all like that. The Ford is likely no Toyota, but again, there's a dealer or independent shop just about everywhere that will be willing to get you running again.
That’s a bit of a misnomer in that very few Ford dealers will work on motorhomes. At the end of the day, both ford and mb engines are robust and very rare for a need for service while out on the road
At What rpm does the wonder reach these wonder high hp and torque?
Heard it’s very high, like 5000
@@Pagosa oh, it gets u out of the way fast, dual turbo i imagine. But it is not sustainable for more than 3+- minutes.
Thanks for that part 2, it does consolidate our decision to go with a Wonder RTB. I didn’t know about AWD but it’s definitely an added benefit in Quebec. The garage is probably the biggest thing for us as we travel with both mountain and road bikes, SUP and a wonderful 100 lbs dog. We’re officially ordering next week.
Congrats! Super exciting times!
All wheel drive option says it all. That alone gives the Leisure Wonder the advantage over all and any other Travel van. Why travel all over the country without four wheel drive?
It's actually not four wheel drive, just AWD. It may help a bit in some sand or something, but it's so much lower to the ground than the Unity, you wouldn't want to take this off road at all.
@@Pagosa its very light off road capable. And Considering most camp sites around the country are ‘off road.’ And 99.9% of customers shopping for a camper with off road capability aren’t going to question the difference between four wheel drive and AWD unless the dealer brings up the difference first.
@@king-xerxus7040 I wouldn't take a Wonder off paved or smooth gravel road. would be a very bad idea. 4x4 and AWD are completely different animals and Mercedes offers a true 4x4 in the Sprinter used for class B's that are much higher off ground with differentials designed for more incompatible terrain. The Ford AWD is like a car, maybe a bit more traction in a bit of ice or sand. The Wonder is literally maybe 5 inches off ground and one rock would puncture a tank, rip off your macerator etc. Highly advise not to leave the roadway.
@@Pagosa and the Mercedes tows more too. I noticed a lot of ‘goings on’ underneath the Ford though. Very light off-road capable. Many camp sights have ‘paved roadbeds’ with very little rough spots, but, still classified as being off road though.
Want an LTV, just when I think I know what I want, I’m confused again. I will though, check out the Wonder.
For sure!
As one of the many who have put down a large deposit on a Unity (RL) months ago it's beyond me why Mercedes hasn't stepped up and made the TPMS feature standard on their chassis'.....I absolutely love the LTV Unity....but really Mercedes....this is a huge oversight....and given Mercedes reputation for safety innovation I'm truly at a loss here to explain or defend Mercedes on this issue.....all the other points you raised re the Wonder over the Unity I could live happily ever after without regrets in my Unity RL. I hope by the time I actually get my Unity, which is looking more likely to be a 2023 model, that Mercedes has righted the TPMS issue on their chassis. Thanks for the review.
It is mind numbing and hope they correct it soon. I'm sure there is a valid reason, but come up with a solution already!
Between the creation of this video and now, the base MSRP on both has jumped about $40k USD. Crazy.
My exact build that I got in 2020 is now 70k more
What is the cargo carrying capacity of a wonder?
Each unit and floor plan is different. But probably in the 1,500 to 1,800 range. My Unity FX with all options (generator and levelers) is 1,502 pounds.
I was Wondering if you would cause me to run out and change my order from a Unity to a Ford Wonder. The short answer is no, but I would be interested in comparing the 2 vehicles fully loaded travelling through a mountain pass. I would be really surprised if the Ford would out perform a Mercedes diesel in this situation.
It's not even compatible. The Ford has way more hp and torque and will run away from the sprinter. Don't get caught in the diesel does better. Typically diesel engines have more torque than gas engines but not in this case. It's not even close. I don't like the Ford at all, the the power is hands down way more than the sprinter.
@@rvlife1 Run away is a relative term, but, if true, I’m still sticking with the Unity. It’s a personal choice, I like the look of the Unity better, not a fan of the open interior cabinets on the Wonder, MB has a bigger cockpit and better fit and finish than the Ford. We’ve had both ducted and non ducted ac and I would not go back to a non ducted hvac system. Both the Transit and the Sprinter both scored 3/5 on reliability which isn’t great. It really comes down to what’s important to you and what you’re willing to pay for the features you want. Honestly, I don’t believe you would go wrong either way. It’s very much like having a discussion with someone deciding between Ford and Chev…you’re probably not going to convince either one of them to change their mind 😂
@@kelowna_bc I have the new Sprinter chassis and like it better than the Ford. Everything is overall better except for the power. Number don't lie. Over 50% more hp and 30% more torque with the Ford. Not even close on that one.
I do think the Sprinter would do much better. The high HP and Torque for the Transit is measured at 5,500 RPM (which is obviously unsustainable) and so while taking off from stopped will be faster in the Transit, overall hill climbing would be much better in the sprinter in my opinion.
@@Pagosa I wished that were the case. I've driven both a Wonder TB as well as tried to keep up with one on grade. It's not even close. It's almost laughable. When I say blow away from you, it's not an exaggeration.
Why don't you review a Coach House?
I would if I had access to one.
Is diesel or petrol safer in a Rv or car?
I don’t think either has a safety advantage
You will have to always fight being overweight in the Wonder....but love the service & domestic parts availability for the Wonder. Overall, can’t go wrong with either one though.
Yes, some folks like to carry so much!
Doesn't the Wonder have more OCCC than the Unity?
Wonder can't get auto leveling jacks except for the rear twin bed so far.
Just learned that the reason it’s not a good idea is the height of the vehicle. Some people who put them on after market have hit and bent leveling legs.
I’m a little surprised you didn’t mention the far superior ride that the Wonder has vs. the Unity. So many Unity owners take their brand new Unity’s and upgrade the springs right away due to the poor ride. Another big difference which you kind of mentioned in passing is the power but really the difference is the performance feel. If you were to drive a Wonder and Unity back to back you’d see the difference between the two is night and day with the Ford coming out on top. The Mercedes diesel does lag like every other non-chipped diesel while the Wonder has the instant on performance that people are used to in the passenger vehicles. Last item I’d mention is the reduced cabin noise of the Wonder vs. Unity. Again, this is immediately apparent if you were to have driven both. I hope that one day you get some seat time in a Wonder because to date the stuff you post about the Wonder is just based off what you read and not what you actually experience which is unfortunate. I applaud the attempt but I think you went for the easy reasons and not the reasons that people who have either switched or driven both would chose.
It’s all about trade offs. The older MB chassis, this was probably true. But the newer has a beefed up sway bar. The added height to the Unity causes more sway. But the height gives you the ability to have auto leveling. You are correct that I haven’t driven one. As far as ride, I can’t imagine the Ford being better than my Unity. It’s a dream. Also we have virtually no cabin noise, so I don’t think that would be a selling point in a VS competition. The power might be a selling point, but I’m not drag racing my Unity and the take off power trade off for my 19mpg is a win in my book. I would still choose the Unity & MB again, but think the Wonder is a great option as well. Thanks for watching.
Sorry to bother, but what is “camp side”?
It’s usually the passenger side of your rv that will have the door and most windows facing your “camp” in an RV park with your picnic table, concrete pad etc. The electric, water and sewer connection is on the other side
@@Pagosa thank you 😊
Thank you so much.
Glad you enjoyed it
@@Pagosa I’m contemplating the Winnebago or Leisure.
I think it would be easier getting Ford parts in a crunch. Love that garage. I agree with you this week LOL.
Haha, glad I made up for the delivery van comment 😂
A couple of Fonzies! 😄
Heyyyy 👍
great comparison between the two. I have just recently discovered the LTV brand and have it very very high on my list.
Glad it was helpful!
I am afraid of the Ford 3.5L Eco-Boost V6 Gas w/10 Speed Automatic Transmission in a 11,000 pound RV.
I hear it's fantastic from several owners
Plenty of power and acceleration in my 2021 Wonder.
One more reason: NO DEF or DEF issues.
Very true
@@Pagosa Brandon, the DEF issues have been mostly confined to the Cummins power plant, if I understand correctly. Are you aware of Mercedes having similar problems?
There's no such thing as "cheap" maintenance.
Especially in RVs
I think u want to correct your HP and torque numbers to 300 hp and 410 ft pounds. Your numbers are a kin to a Hell Cat dodge numbers or a Raptor :)
Great, that’s what happens when you don’t double check your google search
@@Pagosa LTV's website says >>> The North-American built 2020 Ford Transit 350 Cutaway chassis has a twin-turbocharged 3.5L EcoBoost® V6 with 310 horsepower, 400 lb.-ft. of torque... but its achieved at 5500 Rpm (Google Search). Who screams around town at 5500 Rpm? At least the MB numbers are more realistic.
We have ordered the Wonder RTB. She has a Mercedes SUV and we do not like it. So we went with the Ford.
Don't think you will be disappointed
@@Pagosa Her GPS in the car, very often gets the house number, street, and City, all three wrong. The AC is the worst I have ever seen. She has a 2020 GLE 350. We live in Frisco.
@@mikecoates6439 wow, that's crazy. We usually use Car play with google maps, so don't really mess with the MB nav. Our AC in the Unity is great though. I have a business location at the Star in Frisco, but live in Las Colinas.
Slide out. Enough said.
Agree!
The Wonder is a wonder; as in, I wonder why any sane person would buy anything with a Ford logo. For the loads, the ecobust engine will not last 100k miles.
I'm a diesel guy myself
Show us the options you like. Not just a video of yourself
Hi Kelly, UA-cam offers this amazing service called the search bar where you can find videos that are more suitable to you. Sorry you don't like my face 😂
@@Pagosa Well said