Was Afghanistan the First “Feminist War”? The Role of “White Feminism” in the Longest U.S. War
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- With the official end of the War in Afghanistan, we speak with Rafia Zakaria, author of “Against White Feminism,” about how U.S. officials used the plight of the women in the country to justify the 2001 invasion and subsequent occupation. “Feminism has been delegitimized in Afghanistan because it is associated with an occupying force,” says Zakaria. “Now Afghan women are left to pick up the pieces and deal with the Taliban.”
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Neoliberalism. The same people claiming women are abused in Afghanistan buy oil from Saudi with no problems using petro dollars. Neoliberals are conflicted people with moral excuses.
Neoconservatives*
Neoliberalism is a socioeconomic framework implemented by neocons and technocrats (soft fascists). There are no "neo liberals".
@@mf4071 i think you've made a booboo. The NWO is and was a Bush creation. Its not that moderate conservatives (small c conservatives) agree with them, its that all of society has been "reflexively modernised" utilizing risks and technology.
@@DJWESG1 Ronald Reagan was a neoliberal.
@@greorbowlfinder7078 neoconservative* , neoliberalism is a socioeconmoic framework.
And here we use "neoconservative" to mean religious fundamentalist/fascist.
@@mf4071 when look at it from a purely conspiracy position , the trilateral commission is made out to be some sort of demonic entity. Which rings alarm bells for me as a none magic believing social scientist. The sort of People who use such discourse thus have an agenda.
If you are a fan of "unknown knowns" and Donald rumsfeld , check out my soundcloud, i made his speech into a dnb tune.
That congresswoman dressed up in a burque is just the wildest shit. I'm not religious but even i felt offended by that.
the same feminist movement that used afghan women is for geopolitical conquest is the same feminism movement that divided black men and black women during the 60's civil rights movement. Its now coming out that the white feminism movement is nothing more than theatrics.
What is this civil rights divide you are speaking about b/c of white feminism? I am unfamiliar with this. Thanks.
@melissanicole3657 YES THEY DID. Anybody with some COMMON SENSE could see how that movement influenced the minds of BW and the overall non-existent structure of the very emotional Blkcommunity.
@melissanicole3657 You are obviously very ignorant of how a basic structured family dynamic works and the ongoing history of the blkfamily denigration.
Here's a quote from an Afghan women (a surgeon) about Afghanistan before the US destroyed it (the first time).
"Every girl could go to high school and university. We could go where we wanted and wear what we liked.
We used to go to cafes and the cinema to see the latest Indian films on a Friday...
It all started to go wrong when the mujahedin(Taliban) started winning.
...these were the people the West supported.”
“Empowerment excised from radical struggle” very well put
I’m at
The empowerment she Rafia speaks of, the radical struggle she speaks of is firmly rooted in Western cultural construct and thinking.
In countries like Afghanistan or Pakistan it can be heard and debated on in the ruling classes, who are often Western educated or influenced but outside of that it is viewed as an alien cultural imposition.
That white woman who wore the purdah in Congress claiming to demonstrate oppression of Afghan women, ought to now wear bikini in Congress to demonstrate equality & freedom for American women.
🤣 YEAH 💪
Not all women like going to the beach
"Ye shall worry not, from streets has she risen from and to the streets shall she return, for she belongs to the streets" _____ Gospel of Niggalations Describing feminist.
It's wild to see Zakaria tell all of this to a white feminist news network.
It's called civility.
It exposed Gloria Steinem as CIA!
I dont see donna haraway being referenced here.
Nothing about how women are treated in Saudi Arabia... nothing....absolutely nothing.
I am only 29 and been in to politics for 3-4 yrs but I am tried of the neoliberal Republicans and Democrats clownery
It's all about Lobbyists and big money, unions were obliterated. These wars, and corporate bail outs are put on the national debt so quarterly profits can be pointed to even though Chinese work forces are used. Reagan made us a debtor nation chasing shell game Communist regimes with useless war toys.
Lest there be an inkling of doubt to this response, I adamantly disagree with the Taliban policies and practices. However, I also acknowledge that the U.S. and all her western allies that participated in the debacle in Afghanistan have no say in how the country should be governed. All the pearl clutching by major news outlets in the U.S. and Western Europe about “the women” and “the girls” is disgusting as if they care more about these women than their Afghan men. The supposed shocked behavior can hardly hide the fact that crimes against humanity took place and many human beings died as a result of this invasion and occupation. When the U.S. and her NATO allies had maximum forces in Afghanistan they did not sue for peace or tried to negotiate a political solution. Instead they went on an orgy of killing, maiming and destroying. 66,000 Afghani military personal died and this does not account for the tens of thousands of civilians plus those fighting on the side of the Taliban. The Taliban are a part of Afghanistan whether the west likes it or not. The aliens in this scenario are those that traveled thousands of miles to drop tons of bombs and destroy the fabric of that already fragile society. Though I vehemently disagree with the Taliban, it’s not up to me to decide the fate of Afghanistan. Tragically those scenes at the airport could have been avoided if the west sought dialogue and a politically negotiated settlement. The change that will eventually come to Afghanistan must come from within. As for those Afghanis that sold their souls to the U.S. they will soon find out that life in America is not what it is advertised as. They will find out about the grinding poverty in her inner cities. They will see for themselves how shamelessly Americans allow the homeless to flood the streets in major cities. They sold out their countrymen by cooperating with the foreign invaders and of course they are scared for the treason they committed against their own nation. All of this could have been avoided were it not for the arrogance of claiming the right to kill whoever was deemed beneath our so-called “Western” values.
So you agree that the values that the Taliban have are objectively wrong, right? I'm assuming you are as you are saying that the west have parts that are objectively wrong like going into other countries or that the people who sold their soul to the US did the wrong thing. Or is what the US did only wrong from the relative perspective of the Taliban?
If the Taliban do have beliefs/actions that are morally wrong, how does this necessary change happen so that the needless horrors in the country can stop and the women can be liberated? Or do we not worry about the women there
Thank you for this. I wish there'd been more time at the end. Please have both guests back.
yes all those strong independent western "feminists" fighting the Taliban in person!
is that why the Taliban took Afghanistan in 11 days?
🤣
Weird though how they defeated isis.. :-X
@@DJWESG1 Bashar Al Assad and the glorious Syrian army ended ISIS(Israeli Secret Intelligence Service).
Thank you!
it was like all american wars. it was profitable.
The bushes are complete hypocrites
"we now have it within our means to create a NEW WORLD ORDER" - George Bush snr President of the United States of America.
Rafia, you have a lot of critical information for a troubled world. So, please look at the camera, and don't say, "you know", when it's your job to TELL us because we DON'T... hang in there!
I think she is spot on and that is what the agenda was.
Seraj is from the Afghan royal family 'lineage' ( accord to wikiped) pre communist revolution Afghanistan when she was put in jail and got to US around the time the CIA began funding the mujahideen.I guess she did not like the communist government that took away her royal status. She never went back til 2003. So, CIA or what?
Many Afghans left during Soviet occupation. Doesn’t mean we worked with the cia. My family is Mohammadzai/Barakzai.
Thanks for listening
shes good. she said let me respond to what she said. clarified her point even more.
What a good example of racialist intersectional ''feminism'' (Rafia) on one hand and universalist true feminist (Mahbouba) on the other. The first one inferiorize or reduce feminism under religious and cultural dominations (see her precedent book ''veil''), and was even saying that ''burqa isn't necessarily a sign of oppression'' before being interrupted by the end of the interview (the typical islamic ''feminism'' rhetoric), while the other recognize the universal goods of education and the progress that have been implemented the last two decades despite the war and the occupation of international forces in Afghanistan. Yes the money came from up to bottom, but the afghan women started and struggle from the bottom. It is a question of economics, not of ''fake or white'' feminism. Rafia despises (probably unintentionally) the struggles of afghan women that were smart enough to take the money and work in various NGOs without being blindly unaware of the great flaws of an economy where 75% of the incomes come from foreign aids.
Concerning the so-called feminists who were supporting the war and invasion of Afghanistan by the U.S., I think it was neoconservative ideology poorly disguised as ''feminism'' for the media and the social acceptance of the american people, not much the fault of ''white'' feminism because feminists are the ones that suffer the most in the USA from that same religious neoconservative ideology, the best recent example being the abortion ban law in Texas.
Quick answer; no. It was a feminist pretext.
Unless you believe Iraq was a WMD war.
BTW the Chinese Uyghur "issue" is also from the 'incubator baby' playbook in order to do to Asia what they did to Afghanistan. See The Grayzone and Daniel Dumbrill channel.
2:55 Actually watch the video next time.
Against all feminism and woke ideologies.
as an afghan woman, ofc we were. Our women are denied their basic human rights and we will never stop fighting for them. White women don’t face as much struggle yet they claim that they’re “ helping women” 😐
You aren't denied of any basic human right, you liar + you already lost against TALICHADS. Cope liberal
They are not helping you they are seaking power
Afghanistan and Yemen don't have opportunities to women but it's different in Ukraine, serbia, Norway, France, USA , Brazil etc women are treated differently when it comes to opportunities
@@KygoCalvinHarris-xu4kvin west you guys give opportunity to every women, even mothers and daughters have high paying opportunity at Onlyfans.
What a weak man would allow this degeneracy.
Gloria Steinem was C.I.A..
USSR was actually feminist unlike USA
Incredible bunch of rubbish. Like saying the weight of a wine bottle caused the Titanic to sink. Total knooblishness. Lol. 😬
There is no doubt imperialists mouthed feminist platitudes to justify their dirty war.
Rafia is very much coming from a Western perspective on feminism and women's rights etc. Whatever the pigmentation of other Western feminists her approach and thinking is solidly Western, as alien to Pakistan as pumpkin pie on Thanksgiving.
Pakistan, Afghanistan are failed countries though , Iran is fed up of Islam though
The war helping Afghan women, the first time i heard that i knew it was fucking bullshit.
We neglected to arm & train the Afghani women, who are the Afghanis most motivated to defend their rights.
If a Multi Trillion Dollar US Empire ran with their tail between their legs from Afghan just like Saigon what would a few armed Women end up changing?
@@bearislandthuglife3463 : First, who said it would be only "a few" armed women, rather than a force that outnumbers the Taliban? Second, the male Afghani army that quickly collapsed had a weak incentive to defend against the Taliban, since they won't suffer much under patriarchal Sharia law, and may in fact benefit.
What utter rubbish
@@neilnelmar8007 : Why do you think that?
So why they didn't come out their numbers to fight the Taliban over the 20 years of war ?
After many diasporas since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan 1979 up to 2019, there were 2,727,556 Afghanis Refugees under UNHCR’s mandate and 255,244 Asylum-seekers. None of them went back to their Heritage Lands. The last stronghold of resistance to Taliban - Panjshir Valley. Why are all Afghanis living at west only protesting? None of them are going to join the resistance.Perhaps outside Afghanistan there are no more lions like at Panjshir and the other groups of resistance.
search "intersectionality is integral to the logic of neoliberal colonialism"
Pray for Afghan women! They have had a taste of freedom so may be able to save themselves and their country!
Imagine living in a world where there is no war
Afghanis free!
And imagine everyone you meet knows what they are living for
They're brothers to me.
What a wonderful world it would be, full of love and peace.
Where no evil can abide
And only righteousness increase
We can do it if we only believe
We can do it if we all can agree
That it's your world and mine
YOUR WORLD AND MINE!
First, the US supported an Islamist uprising against modern urban Afghanistan (beginning with President Carter). Later it intervened militarily with the pretension to modernise the country. Compared with the 1970ties, the situation of women under US occupation was rather restricted.
The Taliban have majority support in Afghanistan and even those who oppose them have similar views on women and society.
Is Zakaria interested in challenging that?
That is just no true. Talibans don't have majority support in Afghanistan and reliable data exist to show that. Yes, the talibans have some strong support, maybe between 25%to 40% in general which is a lot, but not the majority. Even among the Pashtuns, where their support is the strongest and maybe the majority, there is a strong opposition to the theocracy project of the Islamic Emirates of the talibans.
Secondo, there was a strong left-wing population in Afghanistan not so long ago, and there are even anarchists (Anarchist Union of Iran and Afghanistan) in the country that are getting stronger and stronger in the more young and urban regions. But also, the Tajiks and other militias in the antitaliban resistance of Panjshir and the NRF with Ahmad Massoud (son of the legendary ''lion of Panjshir'' commandant who successfully resisted against the Russians and the talibans until 2001) and Amrullah Saleh are a lot more progressive on the issue of women and other issues. The want an authentic democracy on the form of a federation with all the ehtnic populations and all the sectors of the civil society having a determinant role in the decicion making process.
But I agree with you that Zakaria and her racialist and intersectional ''feminism'' is a useful idiot for the islamists contrary to the likes of Mahbouba who are real universalist feminists (meaning against patriarchy in the West AND in islamic coutries).
No, it's a drug war.
Disgusting video title!!
US cable 1979 -
‘The United States’ larger interests... would be served by the demise of the PDPA Government, despite whatever setbacks this might mean for future social and economic reforms in Afghanistan.’
Stats from Afghanistan in the 1980s, half the university students were women and women made up 40% of Afghanistan’s doctors, 70% of its teachers and 30% of its civil servants.
America created and armed the Taliban (Mujahideen) who hung the Afghan PDPA President by a street light.
It's in the history books, you can't hide the Afghanistan that existed under the People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan, which the US destroyed.
Yho!
AMY, just cutting off her guests as usual.
who declared war in afghanistan?
'W' did, but not technically with Congress, but with his Patriot Act baloney.
@@robertrichard6107 that both crap parties keep renewing for some reason
@Professor Gammon and you call yourself a professor?
but did they have won or lost?
Lost lol
The Afghans took advantage of the 20 years of war that got Al Qaeda out of their way, and got their girls and women educated and working, but they didn't get them the necessary political power to sustain that status after the occupation ended? And that's the fault of white feminists how? Did the Afghans think the occupation was going to continue forever?
I'm sure the Afghans didn't think the occupation would last forever. In fact, by the way many of them are actually so accepting of the taliban return, they didn't wish for the occupation and the devastation that it wrought to happen at all.
And it was in championing that occupation and the brutatily it wrought on the Afghan population that white "feminists" are very much complicit.
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She didn’t mention Amy’s role in this debacle? How in-depth could the book be? Sounds like a good topic if gone into the real players hiding in plain sight.
Thanks for going crazy in a chatroom....remember....nobody cares if you think your a human being
It's almost as if Islam is behind the times.
No one cares about your edge lord atheism
Time is relative.
Better than your bikini imperialism that has been destabilizing entire countries for the entirety of your existence rainbow...
20 years war for lying banks but keep talking about the "muh muzzies"