that part should not suprise you. What should suprise you is some how this ranger got stronger than a SSJ2 and 3 character and rivaled a GOD in power. That makes ZERO sense and is a HUGE Plot hole another reason why Super SUCKS. Plot holes destory storys and when you got shit storys you might as well just stop. Remember back when they EXPLAINED how kai and fights worked. .. now its just MAGIC bitch and boom . Nothing makes sense and its just flashy colors and ohhhs and Awwws
@@Terlin1466 How tf is that a plothole? When we first saw 17 he was stronger than a super saiyan and he already stated that he was trained too it's not like he just sat on his ass and got a power boost
@@morganfreeman1104 how can being a park ranger let's him get as strong as a literal God, that's still stupid as logic, super just has horrible power scaling admit it
I honestly think that without family influence, Vegeta would've reverted back into a villain. Perhaps even the final villain of DBZ. He'd still be obsessed with killing/surpassing Goku...especially the killing/defeating part
@@QaamansLand Tl:dr - considering how the series is written..it being (Hero's Prevail) typical shonen storyline wise ... I'd say no to him outright winning. However, hypothetically with something a bit darker ...I think It would conclude with Goku & Vegeta both dying in the end. Because at this point Vegeta is a beloved character story wise & him and Kakarot's rivalry is legendary. I think it would be a slightly more poetic version of the Buu arc fight. Them being the last two of their fallen race(not considering Broly since this is assuming things in Super aren't a sure thing with this change of story.)and both the most powerful in the universe(DBZ era lvl) Only in this version, Vegeta is truly evil with no ties to bring him back. Now this could very well happen within those 7yrs between Cell Saga & Buu Saga or during(Maybe after, to at least kill off Babidi & Debura) But it would be something epic fasure. Goku represents the anomaly in Saiyan culture while Vegeta represents the epitome of what Saiyans strive to achieve. Both having pride in who they are. The poetic part of this is this storyline tying up how their relationship began at the beginning of Z (Saiyan Saga) and concludes with them closing out the storyline of the Saiyan Race for good...at least in the original DBZ canon lol. Goku saves the day by defeating Vegeta & Vegeta finally gets to kill Goku. A promise he'd often make back in the day But yeah, that's more or less how I think it would play out. Probably a lot more intricacies than what i covered tho
Vegeta will still get killed by Present Cell and Majin Buu though if he plans to betray Goku and friends. This new twist with Trunks as Yamcha's son won't go so well. Also with this happening, Goten will be the only Saiyan kid in the Buu saga and Gotenks won't exist.
Then i believe Future Gohan would be the one to go back in time since he would be far more cautious being that he is the only fighter left in his timeline
Qaaman yea but he would probably think the others may need help in this fight against the androids so he would go back in time instead of trunks due to him being a more competent fighter than trunks
Without give the senzu to trunks, he would use the senzu himself, gohan would get a zenkai on his fight with the androids, and would travel in time himself, not only to change the other time line, but probably to get some training from piccolo, or even use the past dragon balls to ressurrect his allies. Trunks be there gave gohan a sparring partner, yes, but a weak one, and trunks was a liability, he made gohan lose a arm. I could see gohan try ambush the androids too, 1x1 he would win.
Was for the plot I guess, but they could have made Future Gohan coming to the past to warn everybody instead of Future Trunks. YamchaxBulma was always cool
I've always wanted to see an AU concept of this aside from the one in DBM. On a side note, I honestly the only reason I wouldn't want Yamcha and Bulma to be together, and have Yamcha be Trunks's and Bra's father is because it would shift things up in the Future Trunks story. Though, it could be really interesting to see fully human Future Trunks struggle with knowing that he wouldn't have a Super Saiyan form to help him, but realising that he doesn't need one and becoming stronger than he thought he could be once he comes to the present and trains with the Zfighters. Wishful thinking about how this would play out, of course.
Dragon ball multiverse has a universe like this. In that universe, goku was killed by cooler as a baby. Also, Yamcha is actually android 17 in that universe instead of lapiz like in cannon.
@@dereklarsen3555 oh ye he tells Salza and his other goons to let the pod go as it was "Frieza's mess" and he needed to clean it up. He could've killed Goku but didn't to teach Frieza a lesson, funny how that decision ended up costing his whole family dearly
@@siggietyrone3965 rape is normal for soldiers he was part of freezer army some doijins even suggest alien princesses. he was 30 years old and i seriously doubt vegeta struggled getting females not precisely a girlfriend but definetly no virgin.
I’m not sure about Vegeta staying totally away though. Yeah, he could give a damn about anyone else ,but Goku at that point would be the only person (that he knew of for sure) Who could push him and give him a challenge. He’d hate him, but he’d respect his Saiyan fighting prowess Enough to train with him, even if only periodically while mocking him the whole way through. ~_~
He may bolt for a while, but I think he’d eventually return due to a combination of boredom and knowing that Goku may be back on earth, getting stronger where he couldn’t keep an eye on him. Funny scenario would be if he returns and ends up hanging out around the same mountain as Goku and family, fighting and training as often as possible and eventually achieving some semblance of character development similar to how he originally did, but by different means. ~_~
It’s kinda outrageous to have a 100% earthling trunks to have black hair and Yamcha’s scars on his face, as if he had to mark his son to officially let him enter the family, and as if Vegeta didn’t also have black hair like Yamcha, though it’s kinda crazy that they had to say Yamcha cheated on Bulma. To be Fr, relationships just don’t work out, and my guy never wolf-fang-fisted any other girls.
I feel like since vegeta never had trunks as a son he wouldn’t have never settled down and would inevitably challenge goku to fight for the fate of the earth. And since goku would have been stronger, vegeta would’ve left earth and become some sort space pirate roaming the universe
I'm not too big a fan of them as a couple but having watched the original series again lately I think there was missed potential yamcha's so nice but she treats him like dirt would have been cool to see yamcha as a catalyst for her developing as a character similar to how she was for him. I wouldn't care at all if yamcha at least got with someone else but nope can't give him a single thing haha
To be honest, if your name isn't Goku, you're not beating the main bad guy. He might as well be Yamcha's son, and the story wouldn't had changed as much. He still could had been trained, like Videl, but he could had used brains instead of brawns to assist Gohan with Tech. Gohan could had lived if he was enhanced with Tech like the Androids. He could had beaten them, and Cell.
He was fighting with them on Namek though, pretty sure he will fight with them against the androids and Buu before he betray them all. The moment he betray he'll be more at risk of being killed though as Goku had a second son.
I do think in the future timeline its possible Gohan would have trained Trunks because there wasnt many people left. However, I think Gohan would have been a lot more careful because of the fact that Trunks cant go super saiyan
@@QaamansLand So I do think they would have fought them when necessary but like how Gohan fought them alone knowing he was going to die. I dont think he would have done that. I do think maybe he could have gone to the future with Trunks possibly. I definitely agree with you on the theory though!
I love these What-If videos but sometimes they're too logical. I feel like Toriyama's writing style is so quirky and unpredictable that you really wouldn't know what to expect. Like how Goku went from bulletproof monkey boy to planet destroying alien.
@@QaamansLand If you think of it in terms of "the letter vs the spirit of the law", I feel like while logic/deductive reasoning coincides with the "Law", it goes against the Spirit of the Dragon Ball universe when it comes to events that transpire, seeing as it's so bizarre in nature. Obviously logic is required for the purpose of these types of videos lol, which is I like them so much. I hope that makes sense to you Qaaman.
Honestly, Vegeta with the gang brought character development for Gohan, Bulma, Goku, Trunks, and got my boy Krillin a wife. if Vegeta didn't/couldn't get with Bulma then I would have preferred he'd stayed dead on Namek. His family and especially Bulma really is his beating heart, and he's such a more interesting character having dealt with inner conflict and coming to terms with his changing priorities. His rivalry with Goku works even better becuase they both have families to love and protect and we see they are in fact more similar than Vegeta would want to admit. I have no issues with Yamcha and Bulma together, they're very cute, but I mean... Bulma's living her best life and seems very happy, why should we want her to have to settle for Yamcha if that's not what she truly wanted?
character development such as what? most dragonball characters dont change much and for some, they regress and get worse. first, Trunks is a completely new character in this timeline as hes fully human so he can have his own path of development. bulma regressed as a character because she went from generally a good person to an evil bitch for fucking the man who murdered her last boyfriend. ". Bulma's living her best life and seems very happy, why should we want her to have to settle for Yamcha if that's not what she truly wanted?" because to make her want vegeta is to make her a horrible horrible person. toriyama has no idea how to write romance " His family and especially Bulma really is his beating heart, and he's such a more interesting character having dealt with inner conflict and coming to terms with his changing prioritie" no not really. vegeta mellowing out makes him more of a generic good guy. he had more bite, more wit and more intelligence as a villain, as shown during his time on namek. post meeting bulma he became more of a loudmouth arrogant dick rather than a suave careful villain. if he was alone in the wilderness who knows what he gets up to? who knows what new power he could create in order to kill goku? whenever dragonball turns its villains into good guys they almost always lose everything that made them fearsome or cool to begin with. gohan didnt get any development. he regressed. the lessons he should have learned never stuck. for example he learned on Earth fighting vegeta that sometimes you should fight even if you;'re afraid. he learned in the time chamber training with his father that he cant keep relying on others to do his fighting for him. he learned in the Cell arc AGAIN that you should fight sometimes, and then had to learn a new lesson about contrrolling his rage when it gets his father killed. he was supposed to learn responsibility but then that is all forgotten about in the very next arc. so no, on that one
Actually, I think that if trunks wasn't trained: 1: Future Gohan wouldn't have any distractions, so he would probably be stronger. 2: Since Gohan is the last fighter on earth, he probably wouldn't have run into a battle that in the manga he knew he would lose. Other than that, great video!
For some reason when I saw this the first thing that came to mind was how bulma and yamcha’s kid Being constantly overshadowed by Goten Because of being a sayain and super sayain And for some reason I can hear Chichi shoving it to bulma About her kids being stronger
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Goku still would have trained with Whis, because he still would have hung out with Bulma, which means Goku still would have trained which means Frieza wouldn't have been a problem. Also Vegeta would probably stay on earth to fightand train with Goku.
Yamcha was kinda cute tbh. So was Vegeta, but like Goku and Gohan, only in his Super Saiyan form. Future Trunks and 17 were cute too, but my favorite of all was Zarbon.
Then in this case in the future timeline, future trunks would die in his time as cell would likely just drain civilians and even without them cell would be able to kill this trunks right ?
Maybe it's just me but why wouldn't Gohan bother to train up this future Trunks? Even if he's only human he's still the son of Yamcha, who was a superhuman himself and one of the strongest fighters on the planet. Training Trunks would at minimum give him a sparring partner to train with and at most a partner to fight alongside him.
Qaaman even though Trunks was a human, I still think with lots of training with Future Gohan Trunks would be strong enough to kill king Cold and Mecha Frieza. I actually think that Trunks would be stronger than the original Trunks because in the original HoT timeline Future Gohan was trying to get Trunks to go Super Saiyan most of the time. But if Trunks was a human Gohan wouldn't have to worry about Trunks getting Super Saiyan and he could just train Trunks and teach him all he knows. Even a human Trunks training with Gohan would still make that Trunks real strong. I mean humans aren't that weak. I mean look at some of the fights the humans had, Yamcha vs Goku for the 1st time, Tien vs Semi Perfect Cell, Krillin vs Gohan in Super and etc. Humans can get strong in their own way. They don't need any crazy transformations and zenkais. With lots of training I believe that even the humans would rival the saiyans.
@@QaamansLand Well since Trunks has more training time and is a bit stronger than the original Trunks in my opinion I say it would take all the 3 years after future Gohan's death. Plus Bulma could maybe even make a gravity room for Trunks, but I find that hard to believe since the androids destroyed most of Bulma's equipment, but anyways I still think Trunks would be barely strong enough to defeat king Cold and Frieza. Also I actually have an idea how Trunks can get stronger in the present timeline. I was thinking about Goku telling Trunks about Yardrat and all their techniques. Then Goku teleports Trunks there and Trunks trains there to learn most of the yardratians techniques for the 3 years of training for the androids. I think that would be pretty cool in my opinion. I think Trunks would be able to learn more techniques on yardrat than Goku even though he's a human because that Trunks has more time to learn all those techniques than Goku did. Yeah so that's my response. I hope you reply. Oh and plus you've got to realize that even Tien with his Tri Beam was able to hold off Semi Perfect Cell and Tien had 3 years of training so remember that.
@@aadenturnbull1332 don't forget that humans in general are quick learners and whatever moves and techniques they come up with are usually really good and really unique or game changing. Ki sensing and flight are earth born techniques. Not to mention techniques like the tri beam, multi form, destructo disk, and Yamcha's own spirit ball. Humans in general also have no qualms in using tech and tactics to aid us and even the playing field. Unlike the Saiyans we aren't stupid like that. So I think Future Trunks would do just fine, especially since he is a gear head like his mother. Gravity grenades anyone?
No. 1. The Cell timeline was the original timeline and the FIRST Dark Timeline. 2. The Unseen timeline was the FIRST timeline Trunks tried to fix. 3. The History Of Trunks is the second Dark Timeline 4. The Main timeline is the SECOND timeline Trunks tried to fix.
@@QaamansLand although there's a chance that bulma (from future trunk's timeline.) Could of come to warn them instead, meaning it's possible a time machine was still at play.
Qaaman not necessarily true, The Humans got much more powerful than Goku when they trained with king Kai in a fraction of the time, humans are insanely talented and have the ability to push past their limits.
When it comes to B.O.G, it may be possible to get the ritual through either Vegeta finding Broly and Paragus or Vegeta breeding with someone else on the planet. Or a dark way: Bulma cheats on Yamcha after the Buu Arc with Vegeta or in the 7 year gap and Bulla is born. Oh god, another possible outcome is she takes some of Vegeta's DNA from the Android Saga or something and implants it into her DNA or womb to find a means to deal with Vegeta or other threats by using her newly made physiology and patenting/distributing parts of that to humans to help them bypass say, a human's physical or gravity limit o_o But yeah, great what-if :D
@@QaamansLand Maybe Vegeta found the planet and Broly by accident? Admittedly though, the first possibility in my initial comment is a very rocky one and I will fully admit that.
Dear Qaaman: I think if you make a what if story, do two different kind one where you do the "thought process" like almost all of your what ifs and one where you just tell the story without all the thought process and explanation.
I always loved yamcha. People always made fun but he was a badass with the panther & scars on his face. Yamaha's aesthetic was my favourite particularly in dbz with the long hair & always wished to see him as a Saiyan! Writers really fumbled this show.
By the time you started talking about the majin buu arc I forgot what the video was about then you said "with trunks being the son of yamcha" I went "ohhh yeaaaaa
I mostly agree with you on a good chunk of your arguement on your interpetation of Future Trunks if he wound up as yamcha n bulma's son. Though The only thing i disagree with is Future Trunks's strength, I feel that he would be a mix of both a Fighter and a Scientist, though he wouldn't be nearly as strong as the Future Trunks we know obviously until possibly much later. But i feel that he would want to try and avenge Yamcha and Gohan by fighting the androids eventually helping Bulma out with the time machine maybe completing it faster then originally , but i still think he would be able to overpower Freiza and King Cold. Now that i think about it. Trunks could probably kill freiza and Cold if he was still Gohans student he could probably learn things like the Makankōsappō [special beam cannon]. We see trunks in super's manga use solar flare and Future Gohan's shown to use that techniques in games, makes sense since he was Piccolo's student. Humans also have some interesting techniques like Tien's Ki-Ko-Hoh Krillen's Kienzan Yamcha's Spirit Ball which were made by them, or learned really quickly, so maybe Trunks would devlop a technique of his own? So not totally unlikely but still interesting thought. 🤔
Ok what if Trunks being Yamvha and Bulmas son using his scientific know how developes a suit that allows him to match a Suoer Saiyan ones strength. Kind of like Batman Dark Knight Returns. Minus the Kryptonite.
I feel like trunks would remain the same just of course no super sayian, but if dragon ball taught us anything. What type of species you are doesn’t make you strong, training and working hard makes you strong.
"But it would definitely impact the genetics of Trunks." Actually, Trunks wouldn't exist in any form if Bulma didn't ended up with Vegeta since a person's genetics consist of both of their parents and without one, they wouldn't exist. Bulma and Yamcha would have had different kids from Vegeta's.
11:53 wasn't the idea of goku beating buu what pushed frieza to train for so long. If frieza is revived same outcome most likely except this time frieza blows up earth and no beerus to save them
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I'm not sure about Piccolo vs 17 result. He still has that Light Grenade move and 17 was confident that it took out Cell who was much stronger than him.
Trunks went back in time to become stronger. Thats why he healed Goku and warned the Z fighters so they would train and defeat the Androids, and train Trunks to be as strong
Someone: *breaths a second later* Qaaman: Cell games don't happen, Goku lives so no Majin Vegeta, Buu saga doesn't happen, Beerus gets pudding, Super doesn't happen.
I seriously have to disagree with Qaaman on this video, and I must honestly say it comes across as yet another Saiyan-stroke video. For one, Qaaman doesn't even bother focusing any part of the video on the changes having a family would cause to Yamcha, who's a central character to this whole scenario. For Yamcha, having a family is his life's goal, the culmination of everything he'd worked toward in the series. That Yamcha would achieve this goal and then become complacenet strikes me as Qaaman going out of his way to not think up any remotely decent development for his character. I think having a family would've had the opposite effect on Yamcha, I think he would've beem more driven than ever to not only continue training, but to train even harder. Plus, with the resources he would've had at his disposal via his wife and Capsule Corp, I could easily see him undergoing extensive gravity training over the years. Or perhaps even training with Goku and picking up the Kaioken. Maybe training in the Time chamber? There are a multitiude of things that could take place, but him simply "becoming irrelevant" doesn't strike me as the most obvious or likely one.
@@QaamansLand Alright, to address your points in order: 1) That's a fair point, I didn't consider any time constraints honestly. But then why not do a multi-part series in order to flesh everything out? 2) Again, I have to disagree. Given the right circumstances, it's quite possible for Yamcha to play a significant role in major events. Again, if you're willing to explore them.
*See video title* LOL that's such a dumb- wait, actually...What if he WAS 🤔
I hope no ones reads this comment as if I'm suggesting that Trunks is ACTUALLY Yamcha's son lol
He'd be a bum if he was
GenesisEvoker that’s reserved for gohan. Duh lol
@Chihusky 419 that would make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. Literally, zero sense.
I thought the exact same thing, now I'm watching...caught hook, line, and sinker.
As a 10 year old watching the android saga I wouldve never guessed android 17 would be the MVP in a tournament to save the universe lol
Why is that?
And around the same time period as when he and 18 murdered Future Gohan no less, what a bizarre but fascinating plot twist.
that part should not suprise you. What should suprise you is some how this ranger got stronger than a SSJ2 and 3 character and rivaled a GOD in power. That makes ZERO sense and is a HUGE Plot hole another reason why Super SUCKS. Plot holes destory storys and when you got shit storys you might as well just stop. Remember back when they EXPLAINED how kai and fights worked. .. now its just MAGIC bitch and boom . Nothing makes sense and its just flashy colors and ohhhs and Awwws
@@Terlin1466 How tf is that a plothole? When we first saw 17 he was stronger than a super saiyan and he already stated that he was trained too it's not like he just sat on his ass and got a power boost
@@morganfreeman1104 how can being a park ranger let's him get as strong as a literal God, that's still stupid as logic, super just has horrible power scaling admit it
I honestly think that without family influence, Vegeta would've reverted back into a villain. Perhaps even the final villain of DBZ. He'd still be obsessed with killing/surpassing Goku...especially the killing/defeating part
Do you think he would succeed?
@@QaamansLand Tl:dr - considering how the series is written..it being (Hero's Prevail) typical shonen storyline wise ... I'd say no to him outright winning.
However, hypothetically with something a bit darker ...I think It would conclude with Goku & Vegeta both dying in the end. Because at this point Vegeta is a beloved character story wise & him and Kakarot's rivalry is legendary. I think it would be a slightly more poetic version of the Buu arc fight. Them being the last two of their fallen race(not considering Broly since this is assuming things in Super aren't a sure thing with this change of story.)and both the most powerful in the universe(DBZ era lvl)
Only in this version, Vegeta is truly evil with no ties to bring him back. Now this could very well happen within those 7yrs between Cell Saga & Buu Saga or during(Maybe after, to at least kill off Babidi & Debura) But it would be something epic fasure. Goku represents the anomaly in Saiyan culture while Vegeta represents the epitome of what Saiyans strive to achieve. Both having pride in who they are.
The poetic part of this is this storyline tying up how their relationship began at the beginning of Z (Saiyan Saga) and concludes with them closing out the storyline of the Saiyan Race for good...at least in the original DBZ canon lol.
Goku saves the day by defeating Vegeta & Vegeta finally gets to kill Goku. A promise he'd often make back in the day
But yeah, that's more or less how I think it would play out. Probably a lot more intricacies than what i covered tho
Vegeta gave up fighting after Goku learned Super Saiyan
@@desantos288 proof?
Vegeta will still get killed by Present Cell and Majin Buu though if he plans to betray Goku and friends. This new twist with Trunks as Yamcha's son won't go so well. Also with this happening, Goten will be the only Saiyan kid in the Buu saga and Gotenks won't exist.
Then i believe Future Gohan would be the one to go back in time since he would be far more cautious being that he is the only fighter left in his timeline
You don't need to be a fighter to deliver medicine.
Qaaman yea but he would probably think the others may need help in this fight against the androids so he would go back in time instead of trunks due to him being a more competent fighter than trunks
Without give the senzu to trunks, he would use the senzu himself, gohan would get a zenkai on his fight with the androids, and would travel in time himself, not only to change the other time line, but probably to get some training from piccolo, or even use the past dragon balls to ressurrect his allies. Trunks be there gave gohan a sparring partner, yes, but a weak one, and trunks was a liability, he made gohan lose a arm. I could see gohan try ambush the androids too, 1x1 he would win.
@@QaamansLand but then why trunks still backing in time even after he'd give the medicine for goku?
@@QaamansLand Wait how about dragon ball gt.
Let's be honest, Yamcha and Bulma breaking up was forced as hell and Yamcha never cheated
Was for the plot I guess, but they could have made Future Gohan coming to the past to warn everybody instead of Future Trunks. YamchaxBulma was always cool
Fr man I wish they got married if only they stayed together but the creator does one of the best characters dirty as always
FUCKING AGREED
Yamcha didn’t deserve this
@@tanner1158 BRO WANTED THEM MARRIED😭😭
My moms dream, she loved Bulma and Yamcha.
She watched the OG Dragon Ball when she was 14, she lived in Spain.
Your Mom is a woman of culture.
@@Imperia1Wrath lol
I liked the ship in og db too
Omg I'm not the only one.
Your mom based.
Lets be honest, the only reason they broke up and Bulma got together with Vegeta was because the writers wanted another saiyan character.
He would be the world’s best baseball player.
Always love seeing you talk about "What If's?" you're the king of them in my book.
That really means a lot my friend...
Yamcha's version of Trunks would be such a Chad.
I've always wanted to see an AU concept of this aside from the one in DBM. On a side note, I honestly the only reason I wouldn't want Yamcha and Bulma to be together, and have Yamcha be Trunks's and Bra's father is because it would shift things up in the Future Trunks story.
Though, it could be really interesting to see fully human Future Trunks struggle with knowing that he wouldn't have a Super Saiyan form to help him, but realising that he doesn't need one and becoming stronger than he thought he could be once he comes to the present and trains with the Zfighters. Wishful thinking about how this would play out, of course.
use the dragon balls and wish for t yamcha to be saiyan
Dragon ball multiverse has a universe like this. In that universe, goku was killed by cooler as a baby.
Also, Yamcha is actually android 17 in that universe instead of lapiz like in cannon.
How did cooler kill goku?
@@QaamansLand blew up his space pod as a baby
@@dereklarsen3555 oh ye he tells Salza and his other goons to let the pod go as it was "Frieza's mess" and he needed to clean it up. He could've killed Goku but didn't to teach Frieza a lesson, funny how that decision ended up costing his whole family dearly
@@TheFEARSlayer01 true, but in this universe, he ends up as ruler of the universe(for a time).
@@dereklarsen3555 oh wow
I’m pretty sure vegeta would have e became an antagonist again or at least still challenge Goku from time to time.
Yes, but Goku staying alive calms it down.
Goku would be dead at the end of the cell saga, he’d have no reason to return
So technically, Vegeta losing his virginity is the best thing to ever happen to Dragon Ball
We dont know if vegeta was a virgin. He might have smashed some alien bitches.
@@siggietyrone3965 or....nappa? Its 2020, everyone's a gay, trans, lesbian, gender fluid, yadda yadda
Lol yes
@@siggietyrone3965 rape is normal for soldiers he was part of freezer army some doijins even suggest alien princesses. he was 30 years old and i seriously doubt vegeta struggled getting females not precisely a girlfriend but definetly no virgin.
I dont think vegeta would tell Goku to fuck off cause he doesnt have any pussy especially since they are still Rivals when the cell saga ended
I’m not sure about Vegeta staying totally away though. Yeah, he could give a damn about anyone else ,but Goku at that point would be the only person (that he knew of for sure) Who could push him and give him a challenge. He’d hate him, but he’d respect his Saiyan fighting prowess Enough to train with him, even if only periodically while mocking him the whole way through.
~_~
What would you imagine him doing then?
He may bolt for a while, but I think he’d eventually return due to a combination of boredom and knowing that Goku may be back on earth, getting stronger where he couldn’t keep an eye on him. Funny scenario would be if he returns and ends up hanging out around the same mountain as Goku and family, fighting and training as often as possible and eventually achieving some semblance of character development similar to how he originally did, but by different means.
~_~
Obviously their kid would inherit Yamcha's scars....
That was a joke
@@QaamansLand you just couldn't edit them out
@@satrn5496 You dont get it. The scars were a part of the joke...
Why does Yamcha's kid just inherit Yamcha's scars, though 💀💀
Nothing bad would have happened since Super showed power scaling means nothing
How does this relate to yamcha?
@@QaamansLand Yamcha being his father wouldn't make a difference since Toriyama showed humans could fight SS Blue.
@@TerryB01 If you mean Krillin vs Goku in Super, Goku was massively holding back. He could've ended Krillin with a finger, but why would he.
@@opadrip even if he was suppressed, he is still thousands of times stronger then krillin. That's like punching a ant without smashing it flat.
@@siggietyrone3965 I'm pretty sure they already trained their energy control during the Cell saga.
For a moment I thought that may have happened during the Android saga when Goku mistakingly mentioned the baby before Bulma got pregnant
13:13 Vegeta would be a what?? Oh hell nah his dad would be turning over in the afterlife😂😂
the greatest timeline
y'all gone put some respect on yamcha
Of course
Well agreed
It’s kinda outrageous to have a 100% earthling trunks to have black hair and Yamcha’s scars on his face, as if he had to mark his son to officially let him enter the family, and as if Vegeta didn’t also have black hair like Yamcha, though it’s kinda crazy that they had to say Yamcha cheated on Bulma. To be Fr, relationships just don’t work out, and my guy never wolf-fang-fisted any other girls.
A LORD YAMCHA VIDEO!? Let's get it.
I feel like since vegeta never had trunks as a son he wouldn’t have never settled down and would inevitably challenge goku to fight for the fate of the earth. And since goku would have been stronger, vegeta would’ve left earth and become some sort space pirate roaming the universe
I'm not too big a fan of them as a couple but having watched the original series again lately I think there was missed potential yamcha's so nice but she treats him like dirt would have been cool to see yamcha as a catalyst for her developing as a character similar to how she was for him. I wouldn't care at all if yamcha at least got with someone else but nope can't give him a single thing haha
Trunks (Yamcha's son) could had learned ki, and be some help.
This is a whole butterfly effect
To be honest, if your name isn't Goku, you're not beating the main bad guy. He might as well be Yamcha's son, and the story wouldn't had changed as much. He still could had been trained, like Videl, but he could had used brains instead of brawns to assist Gohan with Tech. Gohan could had lived if he was enhanced with Tech like the Androids. He could had beaten them, and Cell.
damn after all this time with masakoX i forgot what a good what if was for a second
Thanks, but what do you mean exactly?
@@QaamansLand his videos arent bad they all just feel like he doesnt understand a lot of the characters or the story
Would Vegeta really be fighting with the Z fighters if he and Bulma never hooked up?
No. What did you think of the video?
He was fighting with them on Namek though, pretty sure he will fight with them against the androids and Buu before he betray them all. The moment he betray he'll be more at risk of being killed though as Goku had a second son.
He would have dreams of random green alien bugs killing him
I do think in the future timeline its possible Gohan would have trained Trunks because there wasnt many people left. However, I think Gohan would have been a lot more careful because of the fact that Trunks cant go super saiyan
So what do you think they would do against the androids?
@@QaamansLand So I do think they would have fought them when necessary but like how Gohan fought them alone knowing he was going to die. I dont think he would have done that. I do think maybe he could have gone to the future with Trunks possibly. I definitely agree with you on the theory though!
I love these What-If videos but sometimes they're too logical. I feel like Toriyama's writing style is so quirky and unpredictable that you really wouldn't know what to expect. Like how Goku went from bulletproof monkey boy to planet destroying alien.
Well, I'm basing them on events instead Toriyama's style. Creating a logical adaptation of the story we are already given. What do you think?
@@QaamansLand If you think of it in terms of "the letter vs the spirit of the law", I feel like while logic/deductive reasoning coincides with the "Law", it goes against the Spirit of the Dragon Ball universe when it comes to events that transpire, seeing as it's so bizarre in nature.
Obviously logic is required for the purpose of these types of videos lol, which is I like them so much.
I hope that makes sense to you Qaaman.
Honestly, Vegeta with the gang brought character development for Gohan, Bulma, Goku, Trunks, and got my boy Krillin a wife. if Vegeta didn't/couldn't get with Bulma then I would have preferred he'd stayed dead on Namek. His family and especially Bulma really is his beating heart, and he's such a more interesting character having dealt with inner conflict and coming to terms with his changing priorities. His rivalry with Goku works even better becuase they both have families to love and protect and we see they are in fact more similar than Vegeta would want to admit. I have no issues with Yamcha and Bulma together, they're very cute, but I mean... Bulma's living her best life and seems very happy, why should we want her to have to settle for Yamcha if that's not what she truly wanted?
character development such as what? most dragonball characters dont change much and for some, they regress and get worse.
first, Trunks is a completely new character in this timeline as hes fully human so he can have his own path of development.
bulma regressed as a character because she went from generally a good person to an evil bitch for fucking the man who murdered her last boyfriend.
". Bulma's living her best life and seems very happy, why should we want her to have to settle for Yamcha if that's not what she truly wanted?"
because to make her want vegeta is to make her a horrible horrible person. toriyama has no idea how to write romance
" His family and especially Bulma really is his beating heart, and he's such a more interesting character having dealt with inner conflict and coming to terms with his changing prioritie"
no not really. vegeta mellowing out makes him more of a generic good guy. he had more bite, more wit and more intelligence as a villain, as shown during his time on namek.
post meeting bulma he became more of a loudmouth arrogant dick rather than a suave careful villain. if he was alone in the wilderness who knows what he gets up to? who knows what new power he could create in order to kill goku?
whenever dragonball turns its villains into good guys they almost always lose everything that made them fearsome or cool to begin with.
gohan didnt get any development. he regressed. the lessons he should have learned never stuck. for example he learned on Earth fighting vegeta that sometimes you should fight even if you;'re afraid. he learned in the time chamber training with his father that he cant keep relying on others to do his fighting for him.
he learned in the Cell arc AGAIN that you should fight sometimes, and then had to learn a new lesson about contrrolling his rage when it gets his father killed. he was supposed to learn responsibility but then that is all forgotten about in the very next arc. so no, on that one
Qaaman.
Great video as always.
every time i remind myself why i love Qaaman's videos. Quality > Quantity. always fantastic topics and execution. Love ya man!
Thanks brother. This comment means a lot
All these years I thought that nigga trunks hair was Grey not purple💀
Actually, I think that if trunks wasn't trained:
1: Future Gohan wouldn't have any distractions, so he would probably be stronger.
2: Since Gohan is the last fighter on earth, he probably wouldn't have run into a battle that in the manga he knew he would lose.
Other than that, great video!
Future gohan at that point was suicidal
For some reason when I saw this the first thing that came to mind was how bulma and yamcha’s kid Being constantly overshadowed by Goten Because of being a sayain and super sayain And for some reason I can hear Chichi shoving it to bulma About her kids being stronger
I miss your channel I grew up watching your channel back when my name on UA-cam was going on by my real name
Jaden Holley glad to see you still going on brother
What if his son ended up being the strongest Human with the most potential to surpass saiyans
This is what i love the most about Dragon Ball... Removing a small event changes everything... e.g What if Goku killed Pilaf lol...
I immediately started thinking of your classic “Alternate Timeline Theory” video halfway through this video before you mentioned it at the end.
~_~
I see! What did you think lf this video?
lol that vid changed my life
@@GenesisEvoker How?
@@QaamansLand Oh, I was mostly kidding lol, but it really is a super memorable video. It's definitely my headcannon now for that arc
@@QaamansLand Not as complex but just as enjoyable.
~_~
What a beautiful video.
I've always wondered about this what if.
Goku still would have trained with Whis, because he still would have hung out with Bulma, which means Goku still would have trained which means Frieza wouldn't have been a problem. Also Vegeta would probably stay on earth to fightand train with Goku.
Maybe to fight, but he wouldn't be as close if Bulma and Yamcha are together.
@@QaamansLand true, but he still would have stuck around.
Yamcha was kinda cute tbh. So was Vegeta, but like Goku and Gohan, only in his Super Saiyan form. Future Trunks and 17 were cute too, but my favorite of all was Zarbon.
Then in this case in the future timeline, future trunks would die in his time as cell would likely just drain civilians and even without them cell would be able to kill this trunks right ?
Keep the great videos coming
Thanks. What did you think of this one?
man who literally could destroy a planet.
people still call him weak
bulma looks like shes going insane in the thumbnail
Maybe it's just me but why wouldn't Gohan bother to train up this future Trunks? Even if he's only human he's still the son of Yamcha, who was a superhuman himself and one of the strongest fighters on the planet. Training Trunks would at minimum give him a sparring partner to train with and at most a partner to fight alongside him.
Now that- Is A good video
Your the guy when it comes to these vids. But u need to include what would happen in GT too as a result. Please I’m begging you 👊🏾
Qaaman even though Trunks was a human, I still think with lots of training with Future Gohan Trunks would be strong enough to kill king Cold and Mecha Frieza. I actually think that Trunks would be stronger than the original Trunks because in the original HoT timeline Future Gohan was trying to get Trunks to go Super Saiyan most of the time. But if Trunks was a human Gohan wouldn't have to worry about Trunks getting Super Saiyan and he could just train Trunks and teach him all he knows. Even a human Trunks training with Gohan would still make that Trunks real strong. I mean humans aren't that weak. I mean look at some of the fights the humans had, Yamcha vs Goku for the 1st time, Tien vs Semi Perfect Cell, Krillin vs Gohan in Super and etc. Humans can get strong in their own way. They don't need any crazy transformations and zenkais. With lots of training I believe that even the humans would rival the saiyans.
Yeah but super saiyan is a 50x multiplier. How long would it take?
saiyans have ssj and zenkais and Trunks would be like 16
@@LastGREATEST0 Yeah maybe.
@@QaamansLand Well since Trunks has more training time and is a bit stronger than the original Trunks in my opinion I say it would take all the 3 years after future Gohan's death. Plus Bulma could maybe even make a gravity room for Trunks, but I find that hard to believe since the androids destroyed most of Bulma's equipment, but anyways I still think Trunks would be barely strong enough to defeat king Cold and Frieza. Also I actually have an idea how Trunks can get stronger in the present timeline. I was thinking about Goku telling Trunks about Yardrat and all their techniques. Then Goku teleports Trunks there and Trunks trains there to learn most of the yardratians techniques for the 3 years of training for the androids. I think that would be pretty cool in my opinion. I think Trunks would be able to learn more techniques on yardrat than Goku even though he's a human because that Trunks has more time to learn all those techniques than Goku did. Yeah so that's my response. I hope you reply. Oh and plus you've got to realize that even Tien with his Tri Beam was able to hold off Semi Perfect Cell and Tien had 3 years of training so remember that.
@@aadenturnbull1332 don't forget that humans in general are quick learners and whatever moves and techniques they come up with are usually really good and really unique or game changing. Ki sensing and flight are earth born techniques. Not to mention techniques like the tri beam, multi form, destructo disk, and Yamcha's own spirit ball. Humans in general also have no qualms in using tech and tactics to aid us and even the playing field. Unlike the Saiyans we aren't stupid like that. So I think Future Trunks would do just fine, especially since he is a gear head like his mother. Gravity grenades anyone?
3:36 boondocks cameo lol
Wait, aren't the Cell Timeline and the Unseen timeline the same ?
No.
1. The Cell timeline was the original timeline and the FIRST Dark Timeline.
2. The Unseen timeline was the FIRST timeline Trunks tried to fix.
3. The History Of Trunks is the second Dark Timeline
4. The Main timeline is the SECOND timeline Trunks tried to fix.
@@QaamansLand although there's a chance that bulma (from future trunk's timeline.) Could of come to warn them instead, meaning it's possible a time machine was still at play.
IF Yamcha was just the saiyan we all thought he was in dragon ball. Haha 😂
Humans have great potential, there’s no guarantee that he wouldn’t be able to defeat Frieza.
Super Saiyan is a 50x multiplier. Without it everyone is dead.
Qaaman not necessarily true, The Humans got much more powerful than Goku when they trained with king Kai in a fraction of the time, humans are insanely talented and have the ability to push past their limits.
@@fatgumd.vinsmoke7237 Exactly just like saiyans. People really need to understand that humans have bunch of potential
Daniel finally someone who understands
@@QaamansLand what about kaioken
As soon as i read the title with a question mark, without any hesitation my answer is
"future is doomed"
When it comes to B.O.G, it may be possible to get the ritual through either Vegeta finding Broly and Paragus or Vegeta breeding with someone else on the planet.
Or a dark way: Bulma cheats on Yamcha after the Buu Arc with Vegeta or in the 7 year gap and Bulla is born. Oh god, another possible outcome is she takes some of Vegeta's DNA from the Android Saga or something and implants it into her DNA or womb to find a means to deal with Vegeta or other threats by using her newly made physiology and patenting/distributing parts of that to humans to help them bypass say, a human's physical or gravity limit o_o
But yeah, great what-if :D
How would they know if Broly existed?
@@QaamansLand Maybe Vegeta found the planet and Broly by accident? Admittedly though, the first possibility in my initial comment is a very rocky one and I will fully admit that.
lmao i saw the thumbnail and just had to say it. why does yamchas kid have the same scares as his dad? like are those inherited?
Perfect timelines don't exi-
Dear Qaaman: I think if you make a what if story, do two different kind one where you do the "thought process" like almost all of your what ifs and one where you just tell the story without all the thought process and explanation.
I always loved yamcha. People always made fun but he was a badass with the panther & scars on his face. Yamaha's aesthetic was my favourite particularly in dbz with the long hair & always wished to see him as a Saiyan! Writers really fumbled this show.
By the time you started talking about the majin buu arc I forgot what the video was about then you said "with trunks being the son of yamcha" I went "ohhh yeaaaaa
Bulma knows where the lab is, all scientist know where eachothers secret labs are...
I wish bulma and yamcha never broke up they were so sweet since the beginning and now this is what happens :( T-T
What if goku uses the multiform technice (splits into two) and the the two halfs then Fuse? It will be a major boost without fusing with someone else
I mostly agree with you on a good chunk of your arguement on your interpetation of Future Trunks if he wound up as yamcha n bulma's son. Though The only thing i disagree with is Future Trunks's strength, I feel that he would be a mix of both a Fighter and a Scientist, though he wouldn't be nearly as strong as the Future Trunks we know obviously until possibly much later. But i feel that he would want to try and avenge Yamcha and Gohan by fighting the androids eventually helping Bulma out with the time machine maybe completing it faster then originally , but i still think he would be able to overpower Freiza and King Cold.
Now that i think about it. Trunks could probably kill freiza and Cold if he was still Gohans student he could probably learn things like the Makankōsappō [special beam cannon]. We see trunks in super's manga use solar flare and Future Gohan's shown to use that techniques in games, makes sense since he was Piccolo's student. Humans also have some interesting techniques like Tien's Ki-Ko-Hoh Krillen's Kienzan Yamcha's Spirit Ball which were made by them, or learned really quickly, so maybe Trunks would devlop a technique of his own? So not totally unlikely but still interesting thought. 🤔
have u heard austin powers talk about time travel? u might like it
No, do you have a link?
r.i.p the og timeline.
Yep lol
Well,the OG timeline wasn't fair to Goku
Ok what if Trunks being Yamvha and Bulmas son using his scientific know how developes a suit that allows him to match a Suoer Saiyan ones strength. Kind of like Batman Dark Knight Returns. Minus the Kryptonite.
I think that trunks would’ve Trained a little bit with Goku and the others he would still be weak but I think is PL would be like 1-2 million
So how would they stop the androids?
I don’t think he would tho I do think he would be at like a second or third form Frieza level
Roshi's house? you mean Kame house
I feel like trunks would remain the same just of course no super sayian, but if dragon ball taught us anything. What type of species you are doesn’t make you strong, training and working hard makes you strong.
if that were legitimately true, Tien would be the most powerful character
"But it would definitely impact the genetics of Trunks." Actually, Trunks wouldn't exist in any form if Bulma didn't ended up with Vegeta since a person's genetics consist of both of their parents and without one, they wouldn't exist. Bulma and Yamcha would have had different kids from Vegeta's.
possibly no kid at all considering Trunks was an accident.
11:53 wasn't the idea of goku beating buu what pushed frieza to train for so long.
If frieza is revived same outcome most likely except this time frieza blows up earth and no beerus to save them
Quaman no seas mamon lol I never thought of that 🤣😂
No seas mamon? What do you mean?
Sorry It’s a Mexican saying I was few drinks in sorry it means you are surprised when someone says something funny..the thumbnail cracked me up that’s all sorry for any misunderstanding 👍
I find it hard to believe that Vegeta would not join the World Tournament in order to fight Goku. Regardless if he is weaker or not.
post time chamber Vegeta could still be killed if any of the Androids decided to self destruct.
Why cant i see how many subscribers u have
I kind of want this to be canon but I also don't want to. Because of how Bulma treated Yamcha at Dragon Ball.
I really wish people wouldn't chalk all of Vegeta's character development up to him marrying Bulma.
Also I’m not sure vegeta would know how to activate the androids since he isn’t as smart as bulma or gero
Man, i like to know what happend in the end of the unseen timeline
Future video request?
I'm not sure about Piccolo vs 17 result. He still has that Light Grenade move and 17 was confident that it took out Cell who was much stronger than him.
If they never broke up?
Easy. Yamcha would be Iron Man with a suit built by Bulma.
What about future gohan? Would he leave humanity in the hands of yamchas son whose infinitely weaker
Since Bulma has a time machine yes
He was suicidal at that point so yea
Why would Trunks have Yamcha’s scars?
It's just for a fun thumbnail lol
@@QaamansLand I know, I was just goofin
Trunks went back in time to become stronger. Thats why he healed Goku and warned the Z fighters so they would train and defeat the Androids, and train Trunks to be as strong
What if this version of trunks found the sub lab cell was in and used dr. Gero's research to turn himself into an android. That'd be cool.
Someone: *breaths a second later*
Qaaman: Cell games don't happen, Goku lives so no Majin Vegeta, Buu saga doesn't happen, Beerus gets pudding, Super doesn't happen.
3:31 LMAO
Which way do you choose?
@@QaamansLand As a Vegeta fan I'll do things the hard way
I seriously have to disagree with Qaaman on this video, and I must honestly say it comes across as yet another Saiyan-stroke video. For one, Qaaman doesn't even bother focusing any part of the video on the changes having a family would cause to Yamcha, who's a central character to this whole scenario.
For Yamcha, having a family is his life's goal, the culmination of everything he'd worked toward in the series. That Yamcha would achieve this goal and then become complacenet strikes me as Qaaman going out of his way to not think up any remotely decent development for his character. I think having a family would've had the opposite effect on Yamcha, I think he would've beem more driven than ever to not only continue training, but to train even harder. Plus, with the resources he would've had at his disposal via his wife and Capsule Corp, I could easily see him undergoing extensive gravity training over the years. Or perhaps even training with Goku and picking up the Kaioken. Maybe training in the Time chamber?
There are a multitiude of things that could take place, but him simply "becoming irrelevant" doesn't strike me as the most obvious or likely one.
You make fair points but
1. I have a limited time to talk about each moment
2. Yamcha wouldnt make a massive difference on the major events
@@QaamansLand Alright, to address your points in order:
1) That's a fair point, I didn't consider any time constraints honestly. But then why not do a multi-part series in order to flesh everything out?
2) Again, I have to disagree. Given the right circumstances, it's quite possible for Yamcha to play a significant role in major events. Again, if you're willing to explore them.
What (and I can't stress this enough) the fuck.
What?
@@QaamansLand Oh nothin'. I just found this to be a wild what if is all xD
@@SasaroPenumbra what did you think of the video?
@@QaamansLand Its good man. Left it a like and everything.
Yamcha's Nut could've saved them all...
Great video as always detective q
But all things considered I do think yamcha is overdue for a new GF 🤔
Isn't he like 50 now?
Bit late really.
@@LunaLuminary never too late to start a relationship
@@LunaLuminary he looks really good for 50 bro
@@Phantom-Neon fair point
UA-cam sucks for not showing me your videos I haven’t seen m this channel in years 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
How did you find this?
Qaaman I’m on the app and I looked at the home page and there it was crazy man it’s been years 😪
@@giantcafe7040 Nice! Glad you liked it
Bulma was cheating on the man, she had to go.