Only one problem, Goku wouldn’t have the ability to become a Super Saiyan 3 because he never died in the Cell arc and didnt have the out worldly experience of training in the other world, or the influence of King Kai, which caused the mutation in the first place.
GT is already confusing when it comes to timeline, although it is not canon. But knowing gokus saiyan nature to train, wouldn't he find a alternative or gone super saiyan 3 from his own training?
@@sebastianswan7975 SSJ3 isnt a natural saiyan transformation was my point. Saiyans have only been able to achieve it while in extra dimensional settings therefore there is no proof that goku would be able to achieve the form, however he would continue training in his ssj2 form and possibly for a different one.
Damm man. Your what ifs are always so well thought out and articulated. This is why I love your channel. Be easy bro. Stay safe. Keep up the amazing work 👌
@@majinsole8554 this mans great. Wish to meet him one day. Just hang out with him Geekdom LSM Zeon Goshin SMF ExperGames. Hell maybe even SSJ4 Warrior. Have lunch. Cup of coffee. Few beers. Dream night. Lmao.
They all die during Battle of Gods or later. There are some facts that you are forgetting: 1. Beerus was already planning on destroying the Earth as part of the Universe's cycle for creation and destruction before getting pissed off by Buu. No Vegeta for the SSG ritual means that Goku never goes SSG and doesn't impress Beerus enough for him to spare the Earth. Game Over. 2. Freeza would definitely kill everyone in RoF. Vegeta was the reason why Goku choose to train with Whis and become SSB, so he would be severely outclassed by Freeza. Also, Beerus & Whis would definitely NOT stop Freeza in RoF because (despite hating him) they did absolutely nothing to kill Freeza during RoF even after Goku was hit with the laser. Game Over 3. Regardless of whether or not the Tournament of Power happens in this scenario, Universe 7 would definitely get erased by Zeno because: A) Goku would be far too weak to do anything against the strongest foes (especially Jiren) of the ToP due to a lack of Whis training, no God powers and none of the experiences throughout Super. B) Goku probably wouldn't even have met Zeno in the 1st place (so no ToP) in this scenario, so Zeno would just unceremoniously erase U7 due to its low mortal level. So Game Over lol 4. And as for GT, what if Baby took Goku's body instead? It was never stated that he couldn't, so if he does, Game Over. So yeah, there's no way Vegeta leaving the cast after Namek would have a positive outcome in the long run. Its Game Over for them lmao.
You're very right. I feel like this guy just doesn't like Vegeta and tried to spin the narrative to make it seem like the show would be better off without him. Also he said that Piccolo would have gone into the hyperbolic time chamber with trunks, he wouldn't have. Not to mention he says that Cell wouldn't have swallowed 17, he still would have. Piccolo would have still gone to stop 17 and 18 which would have lead to cell finding them and absorbing 17. Also no Boo no SSJ3 for Goku which means he would be significantly weaker when Beerus shows up. He fails to realize that Beerus attacked Goku first before even going to Earth and Vegeta was actually the one that saved Beerus from destroying earth by inviting Beerus and Whis for food and even cooking that squid for them. Yes Boo caused Beerus to get mad but Beerus has a temper so anything could have made him upset plus he still wanted that fight. No fight and he would have still destroyed the earth. Also as you said Beerus and Whis didnt want anything to do with helping them defeat Frieza in ROF so why would he assume that they would all of a sudden they will help? They wouldn't
Freezer decided to train BECAUSE he heard that Goku defeated MAJIN BUU and had a fight with LORD BEERUS. NONE OF THEM HAPPENED = Freezer wouldn't train Freezer wouldn't train = He would be on the same power level as in "5 minutes fight" on Namek. Potentialy, he could train BUT for sure not as much as in the original timeline and thus Goku would still beat his Changeling ass. Hell, at that point Tien could take him on in his 3rd form since he never stopped his training.
Freeza is no threat. why? well when he decided to train for 4 months, he only did so because he heard Goku had continued to gain power enough to destroy his father and Boo. and his father said theres two beings he should never confront, Beerus and Boo. so would he still train for 4 months if Boo lost immediately and never got freed from his egg?
I have to disagree starting from the Battle of Gods/ Resurrection of F point. Even if Beerus DID form a friendly relationship with the people of Earth, I don’t believe he would have interfered in Frieza and destroyed him. Simply because Beerus himself knew it wasn’t his fight and said he wasn’t going to interfere at all. Now there is the possibility that he DOES interfere and destroys Frieza. That takes care of that, however, later on, I don’t believe Goku would have been as enthusiastic to obtain the God form, since he didn’t know about it, which also causes him to lose the will to find fighters stronger than him, seeing as he is not as strong as he is in the real timeline, compared to this timeline. Which would ultimately cause Goku to not have the will to find a fighter stronger, simply because he is not even stronger himself, which wouldn’t cause the whole Tournament Of Power and Universe 6 tournament. Plus, Beerus would know that Goku isn’t that strong, so even if there WAS a tournament, Beerus wouldn’t recruit anyone from Earth, due to the power of Universe 6 compared to the power of Universe 7 in the timeline without Vegeta. In conclusion, the tournament arc would have never happened, basically causing Dragon Ball Super(the parts that weren’t movie recaps) to never happen at all.
Qaaman I do agree with the GT part, except for one part. I haven’t watched GT for a while so correct me if I’m wrong, but why would there need to be a search for the Dragon Balls if Pilaf simply wished for youth? Did they need the dragon balls for something? I don’t remember
@BlackTitan Sure...but who's to say Goku wouldn't let Cell reach his perfect form? Goku's just as likely, if not more so, to let it happen, wouldn't you agree? 🤣
This video was Tamed honestly!. If we gonna go with Vegeta not returning to earth then it has to b were he leaves to find Goku and doesn't return to have Trunks with Bulma aslo
I love this what if... Only problem I have is where you stated "In this timeline Goku would be stronger than Gohan"... I know its debatable but I feel that since Goku knew Gohan had the potential to tap into something greater that SSJ, he wouldve pushed Gohan to push himself until he discovered it. Maybe over the 7 years Goku wouldve unlocked it too but at the time of the Cell games, Goku knew Gohan was the only hope
Honestly, there's a high possibility that Goku would convince Dende and the Z Fighters that bringing back Vegeta was a good idea. Especially so he can meet his son. I think he'd be brought back. But his relationship with Truks, Bulma, and the rest of the Z Fighters would be really weird. Since he wouldn't have met and bonded with Future Trunks throughout the Android/Cell Saga, who knows how much attention he would give Kid Trunks. He would still go off to train more to catch up to Goku but he would be 20x more behind than he already was. Majin Vegeta is still berthed but he's not close enough to Goku to beat him in the rematch. Goku wins quick enough to not hatch Buu.
Just wanted to say that you are by far my favorite Dragon Ball UA-camr! I've been watching your for about 6 years and I always get a smile on my face when I get to watch one of your video's (Especially your "what if" Video's like this one!)
Omnilation Obviously Vegeta fighting the Android was canon. Smh, the training in space and the struggle with the big meteor is what’s not canon. That explanation was filler, it wasn’t even included in the manga.
Omnilation have even watched dragon ball z before? That always happens, use your brain, remember when Frieda was watching Goku from hell when he killed kid buu with the spirit bomb? That was filler just like the meteor event when Vegeta went super saiyan for the “first time”
In this what if apparently he dies. However, when he came back to Earth and saved Gokus ass for 19, he stated that had transformed into a SSJ. Which saves him from dying in asteroid collision, bcuz he had enough strength to destroy them. Filler or Non-Filler.
Well for one the theory is logical and well thought out like all the ones you've done. Which is good enough for a video, but I can tell you've put more effort in the editing. The mic levels and takes are blended in nicely except for a brief moment at 2:06. The confidence in your voice is noticeable too especially when compared to let's say a year or two ago. Like 2pac in 92 was good but in 96 you can see he stepped his game up, that's essentially the vibe I got from this, yeah 20 year old Durant was nasty but you rather have the 30 year old version with a more mature game. What puts it over the top also is the "less is more" approach. My eyes widened when I saw you uploaded today. You know, that same feeling you get when you see Blackenfist upload in 2019. Good job yo.
I have to disagree in the androids part. The Z fighers would've noticed that the androids aren't attacking the cities and people, and therefore they would've considered the possibility that these aren't that evil. Therefore, 17 and 18 stayed alive. For Trunks was enough with Krillin telling they aren't bad. It would be interesting because 16 would be around. Also, with MORE reason they would've revived Freeza. And maybe they would've found Broly because due to the lack of fighters, they would've asked Whis for more fighters around the universe and maybe they would've found Broly
It only takes someone stupid to F with 17&18 for them to start raging out ..it's not for certain how the android would turn out.. remember Trunks traveling to the past changed things ..the androids could've stayed bad bc there was no timeline change..meaning they'd be defeated..no trunks and Vegeta hurts their chances A lot.
Gr8 video as usual, but of course I have a few areas that I've gotta challenge: • I feel as if there are two major reasons why and how Vegeta wouldve been wished back: 1. Goku, having the relationship and trust of the Namekians, would be able to convince them to bring Vegeta back. 2. Dende healed Vegeta after Krillin talked him into it. I'm sure (especially if you add in the fact that he's the father of Trunks) that Dende would see it in his heart to grant said wish. • Trunks returning to the future doesnt necessarily stop cell unless he still got the information on what day cell killed him. • It's more than likely that Gohan would be SSJ2 or close by the Buu Saga being that Goku wouldve still seen the latent power while in the Hyper Bolic Time Chamber. Goku being Goku, would've still been likely to push Gohan and Gohan wouldve trained with Goku over the 7 years. Just some thoughts, love your videos... -Phas3
Hm...if this happened in Trunks's timeline and Goku lived enough to fight Android 19, I can see Piccolo killing 19 and Gero which would mean 17 & 18 not being activated Later Cell would likely have been born and absorbed both Androids in the lab without having to go through with absorbing people, but without Goku there due to him dying to the heart virus I believe Cell would likely have no other reason to live after becoming "perfect" Edit: While I think the chances of Vegeta being revived after Dende became the guardian of Earth would be small for the reasons you listened, it could still happen if someone like Bulma for example reunited the dragon balls. More importantly, if they needed a extra saiyan to make the SSG ritual I definitely believe they would revive Vegeta for that despite everything he has done since, unlike Nappa and Raditz, he did work with the Z fighters before and Beerus might tolerate waiting a day or two in order for them to atempt to purify Vegeta for the ritual(using the hyperbolic time chamber, that is)
i would imagine in the future timeline after Goku defeats Frieza and king Cold, Vegeta would leave to become the new "emperor of the universe" or after Goku dies from his heart virus Vegeta would leave there.
Qaaman: *Well-constructed analysis on the absence of a major character within the story of Dragon Ball* Me: Widow's peak man bad Well done sir! Do you think Goku would've joined in on playing superhero? Great Kaioman? 🤔🤔🤔
@@QaamansLand I could see Goku initially being reluctant but seeing as how he only really has a limited number of outlets (i.e. Room of Spirit and Time, King Kai's planet, Whis (maybe), and sparring with the other Z-Fighters) ultimately joining in on Gohan's crime-fighting.
The scenerio where Vegeta left earth is when Bulma brought him to capsule corp where he meet her father and discover a new invention of space pod. If he didn't return, Trunk wouldn't have been born and Bulma may end up with Yamcha or marry someone else.
(Slight switch) Because Vegeta is gone and Goku/Gohan still go into the time chamber... Goku still sees Gohan's potential and instead of it just being something that he pushes Gohan towards it also sparks a father/son rivalry... (Gohan takes the place of Vegeta in that sense) Not only causing Goku to push towards new strengths but also keeps Gohan involved in his training
Pretty good video in general! However, I have to ask why Goku couldn't bring back Freeza and even guys like Vegeta from the afterlife for the Tournament of Power. While you say it was as a last resort, in this case it would have been even MORE of a necessity considering the lack of fighters. That makes me think that Freeza, Vegeta, Yamcha and possibly Goten and Trunks would have filled up the rest of the roster. This doesn't make me disagree with U7 losing necessarily, but I felt it would have been good to note Keep up the good work!
Great what if man! Jiren would have wished something related to the villain that killed his family. So I don't think that's not a solid chance for U7 to have survived. Also we should take into account that Goku and everyone else would have had really high chances of dying in RoF. Beerus and Whis took a while to go to Earth. Also, I think it's the contrary: Gohan would actually be STRONGER in this scenario. Since Goku's alive it would be likely for Gohan to have trained more than he did in the main timeline. I'm not saying he would train 24/7 like Goku, but definelty more than he normally did.
absurd. any good writer would make it good. also i know plenty of fans who insist he should have stayed dead on Namek. you cant just declare it "boring" without first seeing what it would be like. also considering that would make new, possibly more intimidating villains arise, why would it be boring
Do a video where Future Trunks and Gohan entered the Time Chamber.... Goku and Vegeta Entering together would be another a video. I feel like THIS should've happened instead.
There's another possibility with regards to RoF; News of Goku defeating Buu never reaches Frieza because it didn't happen in this scenario, therefore Frieza trains for a fraction of the time making him relative to this much weaker Goku...
Oh hey, if Uub never existed, Son (I can instantly teleport across the universe but can't remember to visit my friends) Goku wouldn't have had an excuse to completely abandon his family for 5 years. This means he would have continued training Pan, and maybe we would have gotten to see her go super saiyan.
Alright I just noticed. Resurrection of F, Beerus and Whis would not have interfered. 2 main reasons for this. 1. Beerus already stated in the original that he wouldn't get involved and 2. It's against the G.o.D and angelic laws to interfere with a mortals fight, A destroyers job is to destroy not protect
in some respects. in others, you could take a character out and it changes nothing at all. in others, you could have a character be never born and things actually get BETTER/less people die. for example, if Goten was never born, Goku would have been forced to defeat Fat Boo himself, sparing us most of that arc.
This theory has a major, serious hole. The sole puropse why Freezer decided to train was because he heard that Goku defeated Majin Buu and had a fight with Lord Beerus. This didn't happened. Freezer didn't underwent a training. He never got stronger. He didn't unlocked his Shiny Form (yeah I know it's Golden but shuttup it's a pokemon ref.) He would still get his ass handed over to him by Goku Hell, Tien could take him on in his 3rd form since he never stopped his training.
Good point but don't you think Frieza's scouts would acknowledge how much stronger Goku was gotten regardless. It would be foolish to believe Goku would be as strong as he used to be
@@QaamansLand Yes. YET he still wouldn't go all nuts over the training due the facts that: 1- He thinks himself more proudly than Vegeta and so he thinks he is strong already (which isn't false) 2- He despises training 3- He's simply lazy. So lazy in fact that he didn't bother to master his Golden Form and as we know it - it drains too much KI so in the end it was an endurance test. Now mix it up. Freezer would simply be too weak. Maybe at the Dabura's level of power at best.
9:49 I dont even think u had to go THAT far The reason zammy wanted goku body was because he saw the u6 tournament, a tournament that would've never been held if Goku AND vegeta were never there to start things up. Because Goku wouldn't have God ki, there would be no tournament, therefore no reason for Zamasu to watch goku fight on God tube, therefore NO goku black😉👍🏾💯
@@QaamansLand thanks I got a new idea for u It kinda blends marvel and Dbz but it should still work. In marvel there is a power that in times of universal crisis goes to the most worthy of it and gives them INSANE abilities. It was able to take someone like Spiderman and make him FAR stronger than most(if not ALL) the characters in the marvel COMICS universe at the time. My question to u is, what if GOHAN got the Uni power and became captain universe? Gohan seems FAR more worthy of it thank goku or vegeta. Maybe it takes place when Beerus and goku are fighting the 1st time, because the universe is about to be destroyed, the uni power bonds to gohan, giving him MORE than enough strength to stop the 2, DROP beerus, and patch the universe up. A TECHNICAL super saiyan GOD. It can be explained that the power exists in dbz's universe as well, it was just never needed until the God of destruction almost tears EVERYTHING up. Future trunks could get it too during the zamasu arc when Zamoku black begins to spread across universes. Captain universe trunks could not only erase zamoku black, but also travel back in time using his OWN power to save the civilians b4 zamoku kills them all. Hope u like my idea G👍🏾💯 Oh last thing, the uni power only bonds with a host long enough to end the threat its needed for, after the threat is gone the uni power leaves the host.
What if....dende got his potential unlocked by old kai? What if yamcha used the dragonballs to become a saiyan? What if goku and trunks use the time machine to go into the past to stop freeza from destroying the saiyan? What if gohan went to live with trunks in the future? What if gohan died on namek instead of frieza injuring piccolo? What if vegeta had the same training as goku?
No Vegeta = No piano music.
The HORROR!
I would rather die
Then we wld never have gotten to see him wreak PuiPui 😢
*piano starts playing*
*Future Trunks playing piano and sings* It's been a long daaay...without you, my dad and I'll tell you all about it when I see you again..." 😢
Idk if the piano was supposed to be sad first piano thing that came into my head was ssj vegeta’s theme from the falconer dbz soundtrack
Was about to storm Area 51, then Qaaman finally uploaded
How were you planning on doing that?
Lmao
@@QaamansLand making a death wish
Crazy what I found there...
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Im still naruto running in your place.
Only one problem, Goku wouldn’t have the ability to become a Super Saiyan 3 because he never died in the Cell arc and didnt have the out worldly experience of training in the other world, or the influence of King Kai, which caused the mutation in the first place.
GT is already confusing when it comes to timeline, although it is not canon. But knowing gokus saiyan nature to train, wouldn't he find a alternative or gone super saiyan 3 from his own training?
@@sebastianswan7975 SSJ3 isnt a natural saiyan transformation was my point. Saiyans have only been able to achieve it while in extra dimensional settings therefore there is no proof that goku would be able to achieve the form, however he would continue training in his ssj2 form and possibly for a different one.
@@teek_810 true
Damm man. Your what ifs are always so well thought out and articulated. This is why I love your channel. Be easy bro. Stay safe. Keep up the amazing work 👌
Agreed.
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@@majinsole8554 this mans great. Wish to meet him one day. Just hang out with him Geekdom LSM Zeon Goshin SMF ExperGames. Hell maybe even SSJ4 Warrior. Have lunch. Cup of coffee. Few beers. Dream night. Lmao.
qaaman good video what if. My Favorite of all times dragon ball arc Cell saga
Been slackin on watchin Qaaman. Gotta start catching up. Starting with this video😝
They all die during Battle of Gods or later. There are some facts that you are forgetting:
1. Beerus was already planning on destroying the Earth as part of the Universe's cycle for creation and destruction before getting pissed off by Buu. No Vegeta for the SSG ritual means that Goku never goes SSG and doesn't impress Beerus enough for him to spare the Earth. Game Over.
2. Freeza would definitely kill everyone in RoF. Vegeta was the reason why Goku choose to train with Whis and become SSB, so he would be severely outclassed by Freeza. Also, Beerus & Whis would definitely NOT stop Freeza in RoF because (despite hating him) they did absolutely nothing to kill Freeza during RoF even after Goku was hit with the laser. Game Over
3. Regardless of whether or not the Tournament of Power happens in this scenario, Universe 7 would definitely get erased by Zeno because:
A) Goku would be far too weak to do anything against the strongest foes (especially Jiren) of the ToP due to a lack of Whis training, no God powers and none of the experiences throughout Super.
B) Goku probably wouldn't even have met Zeno in the 1st place (so no ToP) in this scenario, so Zeno would just unceremoniously erase U7 due to its low mortal level.
So Game Over lol
4. And as for GT, what if Baby took Goku's body instead? It was never stated that he couldn't, so if he does, Game Over.
So yeah, there's no way Vegeta leaving the cast after Namek would have a positive outcome in the long run. Its Game Over for them lmao.
You're very right. I feel like this guy just doesn't like Vegeta and tried to spin the narrative to make it seem like the show would be better off without him. Also he said that Piccolo would have gone into the hyperbolic time chamber with trunks, he wouldn't have. Not to mention he says that Cell wouldn't have swallowed 17, he still would have. Piccolo would have still gone to stop 17 and 18 which would have lead to cell finding them and absorbing 17. Also no Boo no SSJ3 for Goku which means he would be significantly weaker when Beerus shows up. He fails to realize that Beerus attacked Goku first before even going to Earth and Vegeta was actually the one that saved Beerus from destroying earth by inviting Beerus and Whis for food and even cooking that squid for them. Yes Boo caused Beerus to get mad but Beerus has a temper so anything could have made him upset plus he still wanted that fight. No fight and he would have still destroyed the earth. Also as you said Beerus and Whis didnt want anything to do with helping them defeat Frieza in ROF so why would he assume that they would all of a sudden they will help? They wouldn't
@@Sheffdawg2305 Exactly.
😂😂 legit when he was talking I just sat here thinking wtf is he goin on about vegeta is legit the 2nd most important character other than goku
@@rynja5765 maybe he probably a Yamcha fan tbh xD
Freezer decided to train BECAUSE he heard that Goku defeated MAJIN BUU and had a fight with LORD BEERUS.
NONE OF THEM HAPPENED = Freezer wouldn't train
Freezer wouldn't train = He would be on the same power level as in "5 minutes fight" on Namek.
Potentialy, he could train BUT for sure not as much as in the original timeline and thus Goku would still beat his Changeling ass.
Hell, at that point Tien could take him on in his 3rd form since he never stopped his training.
Freeza is no threat.
why? well when he decided to train for 4 months, he only did so because he heard Goku had continued to gain power enough to destroy his father and Boo. and his father said theres two beings he should never confront, Beerus and Boo. so would he still train for 4 months if Boo lost immediately and never got freed from his egg?
His scouts would still know he was much stronger than Namek though...
Would Tarble still go to Earth in Dragon Ball: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return?
No unless he was just looking for the person who defeated frieza which is why they'll come to look for goku
I have to disagree starting from the Battle of Gods/ Resurrection of F point. Even if Beerus DID form a friendly relationship with the people of Earth, I don’t believe he would have interfered in Frieza and destroyed him. Simply because Beerus himself knew it wasn’t his fight and said he wasn’t going to interfere at all. Now there is the possibility that he DOES interfere and destroys Frieza. That takes care of that, however, later on, I don’t believe Goku would have been as enthusiastic to obtain the God form, since he didn’t know about it, which also causes him to lose the will to find fighters stronger than him, seeing as he is not as strong as he is in the real timeline, compared to this timeline. Which would ultimately cause Goku to not have the will to find a fighter stronger, simply because he is not even stronger himself, which wouldn’t cause the whole Tournament Of Power and Universe 6 tournament. Plus, Beerus would know that Goku isn’t that strong, so even if there WAS a tournament, Beerus wouldn’t recruit anyone from Earth, due to the power of Universe 6 compared to the power of Universe 7 in the timeline without Vegeta. In conclusion, the tournament arc would have never happened, basically causing Dragon Ball Super(the parts that weren’t movie recaps) to never happen at all.
What about GT?
Qaaman I do agree with the GT part, except for one part. I haven’t watched GT for a while so correct me if I’m wrong, but why would there need to be a search for the Dragon Balls if Pilaf simply wished for youth? Did they need the dragon balls for something? I don’t remember
@@lookas.j Yes because of the consequences of using the super dragon balls, earth would be blown up.
The people who disliked this video are seriously underestimating just how difficult it would be to create it. This is premium content!!
Thanks bro, any critiques?
Vegeta wouldn't be there to let cell transform smh lol
@BlackTitan
Sure...but who's to say Goku wouldn't let Cell reach his perfect form? Goku's just as likely, if not more so, to let it happen, wouldn't you agree? 🤣
@@kylewolfkind but I believe trunks would of destroyed cell way before that could happen 😂
@@MiLLz830 exactly 😆 these fools don't get it
I read "Is Vegeta left?"
I was mad you would bring politics to this xD
Vegeta running for president?
This video was Tamed honestly!. If we gonna go with Vegeta not returning to earth then it has to b were he leaves to find Goku and doesn't return to have Trunks with Bulma aslo
That's impossible because this scenario takes place after Goku already returned.
@@QaamansLand hey could u do a what if video on what if goku went ssj3 against majin vegeta and how would it vhange everythin
5:27 That's a strange way to pronounce "Eighteen".
I love this what if...
Only problem I have is where you stated "In this timeline Goku would be stronger than Gohan"... I know its debatable but I feel that since Goku knew Gohan had the potential to tap into something greater that SSJ, he wouldve pushed Gohan to push himself until he discovered it. Maybe over the 7 years Goku wouldve unlocked it too but at the time of the Cell games, Goku knew Gohan was the only hope
Honestly, there's a high possibility that Goku would convince Dende and the Z Fighters that bringing back Vegeta was a good idea. Especially so he can meet his son. I think he'd be brought back. But his relationship with Truks, Bulma, and the rest of the Z Fighters would be really weird. Since he wouldn't have met and bonded with Future Trunks throughout the Android/Cell Saga, who knows how much attention he would give Kid Trunks. He would still go off to train more to catch up to Goku but he would be 20x more behind than he already was. Majin Vegeta is still berthed but he's not close enough to Goku to beat him in the rematch. Goku wins quick enough to not hatch Buu.
Hey Qaaman, are you still going to do a future livestream of the other DBZ arcs? Really enjoyed the Androids one.
Worst part of all Krillin would never get with Android 18...which was like the only good thing to happen to him😭.
Better than her and 17 killing him
15 minutes just to say you’d rather have DB without him.
Neat.
You didn't watch the full video did you?
Just wanted to say that you are by far my favorite Dragon Ball UA-camr!
I've been watching your for about 6 years and I always get a smile on my face when I get to watch one of your video's (Especially your "what if" Video's like this one!)
Thanks bro!
@@QaamansLand No thank you man!
@Qaaman, Piccolo AND Trunks would also be stronger than canon, due to training with each other.
Old me says It's positive to him because then everyone dies ಠωಠ
Vegeta caused dragonball z to happen.
Sayian saga- vegeta sends raditz and attacks earth
Frieza arc - Gohan And krillin would’ve revived their friends easily if vegeta wasn’t present
Cell arc- allows cell to reach perfection
Majin buu- revives buu
... thanks vegeta 😂
Buu saga was goku fault and cell saga was krillin fault
Lmao gohan and krillin would have died on namek and a lot
of things wouldn’t happen
Your voice sounds much deeper than usual this video
How so?
U telling me Vegeta would’ve died from an asteroid attack GTFOH
Omnilation so he was exhausted is what your saying?
@Omnilation pretty sure that was filler, vegeta at that point had +planet level durability
Omnilation Obviously Vegeta fighting the Android was canon. Smh, the training in space and the struggle with the big meteor is what’s not canon. That explanation was filler, it wasn’t even included in the manga.
Omnilation have even watched dragon ball z before? That always happens, use your brain, remember when Frieda was watching Goku from hell when he killed kid buu with the spirit bomb? That was filler just like the meteor event when Vegeta went super saiyan for the “first time”
In this what if apparently he dies. However, when he came back to Earth and saved Gokus ass for 19, he stated that had transformed into a SSJ. Which saves him from dying in asteroid collision, bcuz he had enough strength to destroy them. Filler or Non-Filler.
But hey Q! Long time no hear. Your voice is intoxicating 😍 I mean.
*mainly voice* sup bro 😎
Lol thanks
Just found your channel an hour ago, great content man
Damn so without Vegeta most of everything would be better...
*vegeta has left the group chat*
No it wouldn't. They would all die in the Buu saga or Battle of Gods if Vegeta wasn't around after Namek for many reasons.
Yo this is one of your best videos.
From a theory AND production point of view.
Thanks. Explain your reasons why.
Well for one the theory is logical and well thought out like all the ones you've done. Which is good enough for a video, but I can tell you've put more effort in the editing.
The mic levels and takes are blended in nicely except for a brief moment at 2:06.
The confidence in your voice is noticeable too especially when compared to let's say a year or two ago. Like 2pac in 92 was good but in 96 you can see he stepped his game up, that's essentially the vibe I got from this, yeah 20 year old Durant was nasty but you rather have the 30 year old version with a more mature game.
What puts it over the top also is the "less is more" approach. My eyes widened when I saw you uploaded today. You know, that same feeling you get when you see Blackenfist upload in 2019. Good job yo.
@@McGomezAddams any criticisms for improvement?
No because then Toei would want to strike you. Just stay true man!
4:11 Very interesting Piccolo & Trunks training together for a year
Qaaman uploads make me a happy boy
Was?
I'm guessing autocorrect? Haha
Qaaman Autocorrect sorry 😅
Well constructed as always! Good job my friend. Hope schooling is going well.
~_~
Thanks bro, any critiques?
Best "what ifer" on the internet.
I have to disagree in the androids part.
The Z fighers would've noticed that the androids aren't attacking the cities and people, and therefore they would've considered the possibility that these aren't that evil. Therefore, 17 and 18 stayed alive.
For Trunks was enough with Krillin telling they aren't bad.
It would be interesting because 16 would be around.
Also, with MORE reason they would've revived Freeza. And maybe they would've found Broly because due to the lack of fighters, they would've asked Whis for more fighters around the universe and maybe they would've found Broly
It only takes someone stupid to F with 17&18 for them to start raging out ..it's not for certain how the android would turn out.. remember Trunks traveling to the past changed things ..the androids could've stayed bad bc there was no timeline change..meaning they'd be defeated..no trunks and Vegeta hurts their chances A lot.
Glad to see you back and start these what ifs back up I know there’s a lot out here, but your the pro
Qaamans voice is noticeably deeper i see
QAAMAN! It's me! Long time no see. Hope you are doing well man, wish we could keep in touch.
Do you wanna know why vegeta would never leave ?
I would have stopped him
FUTURE TRUNKS: NOOOOOOOOOOO:)
I'm # 75
Basically dragon ball would suck, loose popularity, ultimately be a joke to the community
Vegeta basically made dragon ball what it is today
Vegeta: Yo, Nappa. Imma buy some milk. Tell the woman I went to buy some milk.
So happy to see Q on here with a new upload, and a what if.
Gr8 video as usual, but of course I have a few areas that I've gotta challenge:
• I feel as if there are two major reasons why and how Vegeta wouldve been wished back:
1. Goku, having the relationship and trust of the Namekians, would be able to convince them to bring Vegeta back.
2. Dende healed Vegeta after Krillin talked him into it. I'm sure (especially if you add in the fact that he's the father of Trunks) that Dende would see it in his heart to grant said wish.
• Trunks returning to the future doesnt necessarily stop cell unless he still got the information on what day cell killed him.
• It's more than likely that Gohan would be SSJ2 or close by the Buu Saga being that Goku wouldve still seen the latent power while in the Hyper Bolic Time Chamber. Goku being Goku, would've still been likely to push Gohan and Gohan wouldve trained with Goku over the 7 years.
Just some thoughts, love your videos...
-Phas3
Vegeta isn't about to pay no God damn child support-
11:14 I know a few more members that could be in it: Yamcha, Goten (If he existed), Future Trunks, and I guess that leaves Chiaotzu or Videl
YAY!! Another What If on my day OFF from work!! =D
IS THAT OUR BOY QAAMAN?!? YEOOOOO
Hm...if this happened in Trunks's timeline and Goku lived enough to fight Android 19, I can see Piccolo killing 19 and Gero which would mean 17 & 18 not being activated
Later Cell would likely have been born and absorbed both Androids in the lab without having to go through with absorbing people, but without Goku there due to him dying to the heart virus I believe Cell would likely have no other reason to live after becoming "perfect"
Edit: While I think the chances of Vegeta being revived after Dende became the guardian of Earth would be small for the reasons you listened, it could still happen if someone like Bulma for example reunited the dragon balls.
More importantly, if they needed a extra saiyan to make the SSG ritual I definitely believe they would revive Vegeta for that despite everything he has done since, unlike Nappa and Raditz, he did work with the Z fighters before and Beerus might tolerate waiting a day or two in order for them to atempt to purify Vegeta for the ritual(using the hyperbolic time chamber, that is)
Thank your for including the GT part of the anlysis
Qaman aka the OG dragon ball what if channel.
Love these what ifs keep doing them awesome video
i would imagine in the future timeline after Goku defeats Frieza and king Cold, Vegeta would leave to become the new "emperor of the universe" or after Goku dies from his heart virus Vegeta would leave there.
Im a huge fan of your DBZ what ifs
This is classic Q!
Great video my guy! :)
Qaaman: *Well-constructed analysis on the absence of a major character within the story of Dragon Ball*
Me: Widow's peak man bad
Well done sir! Do you think Goku would've joined in on playing superhero? Great Kaioman? 🤔🤔🤔
Not sure. Tell me what you think.
@@QaamansLand I could see Goku initially being reluctant but seeing as how he only really has a limited number of outlets (i.e. Room of Spirit and Time, King Kai's planet, Whis (maybe), and sparring with the other Z-Fighters) ultimately joining in on Gohan's crime-fighting.
8:05 "what about Super?" This is where the video ends. Super doesn't exist in this hand canon, my friends.
So let’s make this short, without vegeta none of this would happen, dragon ball z would end on the cell saga and not make anymore episodes.
Wow once again wow I love these videos
The scenerio where Vegeta left earth is when Bulma brought him to capsule corp where he meet her father and discover a new invention of space pod. If he didn't return, Trunk wouldn't have been born and Bulma may end up with Yamcha or marry someone else.
I love these videos of what if
@Qaaman,
The Z Fighters could have stalled, for Goku and Gohan to fuse against Frieza.
(Slight switch)
Because Vegeta is gone and Goku/Gohan still go into the time chamber... Goku still sees Gohan's potential and instead of it just being something that he pushes Gohan towards it also sparks a father/son rivalry...
(Gohan takes the place of Vegeta in that sense) Not only causing Goku to push towards new strengths but also keeps Gohan involved in his training
If Vegeta had never returned would Bulma get back together with Yamcha?
You forgot the "Alllllrighty guys it is Quamann here to-day..."
Hey Qaaman, one day you should do a What if scenario on What if Goku & Gohan went inside the Time Chamber before Vegeta & Trunks in the Android arc.
Pretty good video in general!
However, I have to ask why Goku couldn't bring back Freeza and even guys like Vegeta from the afterlife for the Tournament of Power. While you say it was as a last resort, in this case it would have been even MORE of a necessity considering the lack of fighters. That makes me think that Freeza, Vegeta, Yamcha and possibly Goten and Trunks would have filled up the rest of the roster. This doesn't make me disagree with U7 losing necessarily, but I felt it would have been good to note
Keep up the good work!
It sure has been a good while since you uploaded hahaha. Glad you are coming back?
Amazing video
Plus I don’t think that goku would be nearly as strong of vegeta wasn’t alive.
I love new videos from you!
Damn nice video
I feel like this should have happened in the main series...
Great what if man!
Jiren would have wished something related to the villain that killed his family. So I don't think that's not a solid chance for U7 to have survived. Also we should take into account that Goku and everyone else would have had really high chances of dying in RoF. Beerus and Whis took a while to go to Earth.
Also, I think it's the contrary: Gohan would actually be STRONGER in this scenario. Since Goku's alive it would be likely for Gohan to have trained more than he did in the main timeline. I'm not saying he would train 24/7 like Goku, but definelty more than he normally did.
Trunks wont even exist to travel back through time if vegeta was not wished back to life on Namek
You didn't pay attention to the video. He explained that Vegeta got Bulma pregnant and THEN he left Earth to achieve SSJ and died.
@@meremere5356 that is not possible
I wonder why most of Qaaman's older videos are privated...
Copyright issues
@@QaamansLand that's sucks. Especially since I had a whole playlist of your videos specifically and now half of them are gone.
Dragon ball becomes boring as all hell and is now forgettable now that vegeta is gone he basically made this franchise.
absurd. any good writer would make it good. also i know plenty of fans who insist he should have stayed dead on Namek.
you cant just declare it "boring" without first seeing what it would be like. also considering that would make new, possibly more intimidating villains arise, why would it be boring
Imagine the What-If crew meeting DBS Vegeta, would've been hilarious seeing a competent saiyan sad.
Qaaman baby where have you been?
Do a video where Future Trunks and Gohan entered the Time Chamber.... Goku and Vegeta Entering together would be another a video. I feel like THIS should've happened instead.
0:51-0:57 why he say that with so much intensity 💀💀💀💀💀💀
finally a video dedicated to vegeta
You're forgetting Whis and Beerus developed a relationship with the earthlings thanks to Vegeta who asked to train with Whis
You forgot about Broly! No Freeza would mean he would still be stuck in Planet Vampa and probably die there lol
There's another possibility with regards to RoF; News of Goku defeating Buu never reaches Frieza because it didn't happen in this scenario, therefore Frieza trains for a fraction of the time making him relative to this much weaker Goku...
Oh hey, if Uub never existed, Son (I can instantly teleport across the universe but can't remember to visit my friends) Goku wouldn't have had an excuse to completely abandon his family for 5 years. This means he would have continued training Pan, and maybe we would have gotten to see her go super saiyan.
Alright I just noticed. Resurrection of F, Beerus and Whis would not have interfered. 2 main reasons for this. 1. Beerus already stated in the original that he wouldn't get involved and 2. It's against the G.o.D and angelic laws to interfere with a mortals fight, A destroyers job is to destroy not protect
Isn’t qaaman the first dbz youtuber ever
No, but I was one of the earliest ones
Every main character is a cog in the grand scheme of Dragon Ball. That is beautiful. :)
in some respects. in others, you could take a character out and it changes nothing at all. in others, you could have a character be never born and things actually get BETTER/less people die.
for example, if Goten was never born, Goku would have been forced to defeat Fat Boo himself, sparing us most of that arc.
This theory has a major, serious hole.
The sole puropse why Freezer decided to train was because he heard that Goku defeated Majin Buu and had a fight with Lord Beerus.
This didn't happened.
Freezer didn't underwent a training.
He never got stronger.
He didn't unlocked his Shiny Form (yeah I know it's Golden but shuttup it's a pokemon ref.)
He would still get his ass handed over to him by Goku
Hell, Tien could take him on in his 3rd form since he never stopped his training.
Good point but don't you think Frieza's scouts would acknowledge how much stronger Goku was gotten regardless. It would be foolish to believe Goku would be as strong as he used to be
@@QaamansLand Yes.
YET he still wouldn't go all nuts over the training due the facts that:
1- He thinks himself more proudly than Vegeta and so he thinks he is strong already (which isn't false)
2- He despises training
3- He's simply lazy. So lazy in fact that he didn't bother to master his Golden Form and as we know it - it drains too much KI so in the end it was an endurance test.
Now mix it up. Freezer would simply be too weak.
Maybe at the Dabura's level of power at best.
Finally a what if bro
9:49
I dont even think u had to go THAT far
The reason zammy wanted goku body was because he saw the u6 tournament, a tournament that would've never been held if Goku AND vegeta were never there to start things up.
Because Goku wouldn't have God ki, there would be no tournament, therefore no reason for Zamasu to watch goku fight on God tube, therefore NO goku black😉👍🏾💯
That's an alternate explanation but good points!
@@QaamansLand thanks
I got a new idea for u
It kinda blends marvel and Dbz but it should still work.
In marvel there is a power that in times of universal crisis goes to the most worthy of it and gives them INSANE abilities.
It was able to take someone like Spiderman and make him FAR stronger than most(if not ALL) the characters in the marvel COMICS universe at the time.
My question to u is, what if GOHAN got the Uni power and became captain universe?
Gohan seems FAR more worthy of it thank goku or vegeta.
Maybe it takes place when Beerus and goku are fighting the 1st time, because the universe is about to be destroyed, the uni power bonds to gohan, giving him MORE than enough strength to stop the 2, DROP beerus, and patch the universe up.
A TECHNICAL super saiyan GOD.
It can be explained that the power exists in dbz's universe as well, it was just never needed until the God of destruction almost tears EVERYTHING up.
Future trunks could get it too during the zamasu arc when Zamoku black begins to spread across universes.
Captain universe trunks could not only erase zamoku black, but also travel back in time using his OWN power to save the civilians b4 zamoku kills them all.
Hope u like my idea G👍🏾💯
Oh last thing, the uni power only bonds with a host long enough to end the threat its needed for, after the threat is gone the uni power leaves the host.
Can you do a video on “if Gohan was never conceived?”
So in other words, 2 out of 3 of the main Saiyans on the show actually make things worse? Damn 😂
vegeta's selfish decisions after coming back to life that first time made things worse. but everything before that was needed
We need more uploads :v
Coming soon
piccolo would then take over as gokus rival?
No Vegeta means no Vegeta so this is very bad
What if....dende got his potential unlocked by old kai? What if yamcha used the dragonballs to become a saiyan?
What if goku and trunks use the time machine to go into the past to stop freeza from destroying the saiyan? What if gohan went to live with trunks in the future? What if gohan died on namek instead of frieza injuring piccolo? What if vegeta had the same training as goku?