Great tutorial thanks ,very good camera work and very clearly explained , I liked the slowed down filming ,it made the positioning of the hands and fingers clear . Many thanks for this 😂
Jai, thanks for carrying on the teaching of the Moeller Technique. Big fan of Jim Chapin, I first bought his VHS years ago and for a refresher course I recently got the DVD. You have taken a fresh approach and added some very important nuances! Thanks !
Thank you Jai...I know i will be able to get up to speed now. Its the constant motion and rudiments that I always wanted. I feel I should tell you...Jim Chapman came to my city when I was a teenager...I was a poor kid and couldn't afford tuition with him...I scrounged enough bus fair to go to the city and hang around in the music store for the 2 days that he was teaching and doing clinics. He would sit with me in-between his lessons and give me the same information he was giving his paying students. I've never had the money to buy any kind of drum gear, or tuitions of other drum teachers. So I'm grateful for youtube and free information...But man...theres a lot of miss info on this subject...So now you've laid down this info in a way that I feel respects the integrity and truth of the technique, I can finally follow though with my mission to add that constant motion roll and rudiments to my playing. Massive Love & Respect.
Great setup, I really love your desire to show respect to the history of this a technique I only now in my 25th year playing am I actually studying which is what brought me to your video. I gotta say I'm a little blown away that the first mention of the necessity for finger technique comes almost an hour into the discussion on the third lesson. How can you even expect people to grasp this without already having decent finger technique? And how do you separate them?
r u using any fingers or just letting the stick bounce between ur middle finger fulcrum thanks i like ur teaching and willingness to share keep drummin
Stuart Nulty the push/pull is different although somewhat similar. The basics of the push/pull are basically throwing the stick down ,loosely, with a free stroke type motion and then as the motion pushes the fingers out the fingers close and push back up into the stick creating another stroke.
Stuart Nulty seems it's good to learn all of them. Gordy Knudtsen has a really good video on the push/pull and he even goes into the differences between the push/pull and the Moeller at one point
Sorry, Jai..but, isn't the three note figure you're playing articulated as two sixteenth notes followed by an eighth, counted... 1 e & 2 e &....etc. That figure is not an actual triplet figure.. correct?!
I don't think this guy knows how he's playing.. Those doubles at 80 Bpm in the beginning he was using a lot of fingers.... Maybe it's a modified moller stroke? As far as I know/learned the moller does not involve fingers in that way.
You are teaching Moeller technique incorrectly and you don't employ Moeller in your performance videos. People, if you're reading this and want to learn more about Moeller technique or good technique in general, go check out Dave Weckl, JoJo Mayer, Jim Chapin, Tony Royster Jr., Dom Famularo, Tommy Igoe and many, many others who have MASTERED good technique. When looking up instructional videos always make sure you can find a clip of the instructor performing a composition, and if it doesn't completely blow your mind skip it. You'll know when your'e watching a pro. Jai Es, Sorry to disrespect you, I know I'm being rude and you seem like a nice dude, super passionate and very good at communicating ideas, but I feel obligated to say this, and if you're going to put up educational videos like this you need to be more careful. Also one of the benefits of hiring a good teacher instead of just relying on youtube is they will be able to filter out stuff like this so that you don't have to spend five years unlearning something.
@@DrummerJaiEs if you want to say it’s Moeller inspired maybe. But Sanford and Chapin would deny this is Moeller all day long, brother. This has zero to do with personality or teaching style. Factually this is not Moeller. Moeller triplets were never described as one down, two up because that’s not the way the strokes are designed to come out. Chapin’s own video and book describes the strokes perfectly.
@@DrummerJaiEs plus you’re not phrasing them in triplets until the fastest tempo(and then barely). Plus you talk about getting fingers involved. Moeller never dealt with fingers. Chapin himself said that you need to change gears as you get faster and you need to incorporate the fingers, but that’s no longer Moeller.
@@DrummerJaiEs to quote a “life coach” “you could not be more wrong.” I don’t have to speak for him. Chapin said that exactly, for himself. You don’t have to get all defensive. You should just call it something else.
Great tutorial thanks ,very good camera work and very clearly explained , I liked the slowed down filming ,it made the positioning of the hands and fingers clear . Many thanks for this 😂
Hands down best application. This is finally THE video that shows how you can make it practical.
Wish I could give you a hug. This transformed my drumming of 20 years.
Jai, thanks for carrying on the teaching of the Moeller Technique. Big fan of Jim Chapin, I first bought his VHS years ago and for a refresher course I recently got the DVD. You have taken a fresh approach and added some very important nuances! Thanks !
Great! Nobody explains that well with so much motivation! Thanks a million and best Greetings from Switzerland!
Thank you Jai...I know i will be able to get up to speed now. Its the constant motion and rudiments that I always wanted. I feel I should tell you...Jim Chapman came to my city when I was a teenager...I was a poor kid and couldn't afford tuition with him...I scrounged enough bus fair to go to the city and hang around in the music store for the 2 days that he was teaching and doing clinics. He would sit with me in-between his lessons and give me the same information he was giving his paying students. I've never had the money to buy any kind of drum gear, or tuitions of other drum teachers. So I'm grateful for youtube and free information...But man...theres a lot of miss info on this subject...So now you've laid down this info in a way that I feel respects the integrity and truth of the technique, I can finally follow though with my mission to add that constant motion roll and rudiments to my playing. Massive Love & Respect.
i have been playing for40 years and thanks to your lessions i will now move forward with what i have been struggling with for years, thanks.
Final someone who explains the proper technique and has good angels so we can see what is going on. Thank you good job.
Angels indeed, this guy is the saviour of my drumming.
Wow thank you so much for the whole series
Brilliant. I couldn’t find the follow up to this one - what you mentioned at the end? Thanks
Great setup, I really love your desire to show respect to the history of this a technique I only now in my 25th year playing am I actually studying which is what brought me to your video. I gotta say I'm a little blown away that the first mention of the necessity for finger technique comes almost an hour into the discussion on the third lesson. How can you even expect people to grasp this without already having decent finger technique? And how do you separate them?
Thank you for the great lesson Jai.
Jay; looks like your doing all the work. How are you applying the free stroke.
r u using any fingers or just letting the stick bounce between ur middle finger fulcrum thanks i like ur teaching and willingness to share keep drummin
Muito bom essa técnica Moller estou estudando.. eita pegaaaa toop lembre-se bateras unidos jamais serão vencidos 👍🎶
I was taught this as "push pull". same name/technique ?
Stuart Nulty the push/pull is different although somewhat similar. The basics of the push/pull are basically throwing the stick down ,loosely, with a free stroke type motion and then as the motion pushes the fingers out the fingers close and push back up into the stick creating another stroke.
Stuart Nulty seems it's good to learn all of them. Gordy Knudtsen has a really good video on the push/pull and he even goes into the differences between the push/pull and the Moeller at one point
In the higher bpms the double exercise sounds like gun fire. Cool!
It is!!!
Loved it
This is Great!! Thank you!!!
Whats your snare?
so helpful thanks again
Thanks- that reload is the key! i tried and tried it wont happens but now. wohw
You mad that fairly easy to understand from video 1 to 3.
Awesome! Thank you!
Sorry, Jai..but, isn't the three note
figure you're playing articulated
as two sixteenth notes followed
by an eighth, counted...
1 e & 2 e &....etc. That figure
is not an actual triplet figure..
correct?!
100% correct.
I noted that somewhere on one of these threads.
Thank you though!
T were'nt definetly triplets. It was three sixteenths with one sixteenth rest.
*16th note exercise is "triples" "3" not triplets
1E& rest 2E& rest
It seems to me very close to push pull.....
I don't think this guy knows how he's playing.. Those doubles at 80 Bpm in the beginning he was using a lot of fingers.... Maybe it's a modified moller stroke? As far as I know/learned the moller does not involve fingers in that way.
You are teaching Moeller technique incorrectly and you don't employ Moeller in your performance videos. People, if you're reading this and want to learn more about Moeller technique or good technique in general, go check out Dave Weckl, JoJo Mayer, Jim Chapin, Tony Royster Jr., Dom Famularo, Tommy Igoe and many, many others who have MASTERED good technique. When looking up instructional videos always make sure you can find a clip of the instructor performing a composition, and if it doesn't completely blow your mind skip it. You'll know when your'e watching a pro. Jai Es, Sorry to disrespect you, I know I'm being rude and you seem like a nice dude, super passionate and very good at communicating ideas, but I feel obligated to say this, and if you're going to put up educational videos like this you need to be more careful. Also one of the benefits of hiring a good teacher instead of just relying on youtube is they will be able to filter out stuff like this so that you don't have to spend five years unlearning something.
None of this is how Moeller actually works.
lol Okay grand master. You could not be more wrong
@@DrummerJaiEs if you want to say it’s Moeller inspired maybe. But Sanford and Chapin would deny this is Moeller all day long, brother. This has zero to do with personality or teaching style. Factually this is not Moeller. Moeller triplets were never described as one down, two up because that’s not the way the strokes are designed to come out. Chapin’s own video and book describes the strokes perfectly.
@@DrummerJaiEs plus you’re not phrasing them in triplets until the fastest tempo(and then barely). Plus you talk about getting fingers involved. Moeller never dealt with fingers. Chapin himself said that you need to change gears as you get faster and you need to incorporate the fingers, but that’s no longer Moeller.
@@joegiotta7580 You speak for him? and once again.. you can call it what you want. The motion and movements are Moeller. Thank you
@@DrummerJaiEs to quote a “life coach” “you could not be more wrong.”
I don’t have to speak for him. Chapin said that exactly, for himself. You don’t have to get all defensive. You should just call it something else.