J. Krishnamurti - San Diego 1974 - Convers. 5 - Order comes from the understanding of our disorder
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- J. Krishnamurti - San Diego 1974 - Conversation 5 - Order comes from the understanding of our disorder
Summary:
Q: What is order in freedom?
Unless we understand the nature and structure of disorder we can never find out what is order. How has the whole phenomenon of disorder come about?
Is order something imposed, a discipline, which is conformity, suppression, imitation? Is order acceptance, obedience?
Unless we understand the movement of thought we cannot understand disorder. A mind that is caught in measurement can never find truth. Is it possible to look without measurement?
Is it possible to live a life, the whole of life, acting, laughing, crying, without a shadow of comparison?
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All of his speeches should be tought in schools all over the world
They are not interested. They only believe in their status, paycheck, position & security.
The leadership on Earth, Will Be A Meditative Mind
These conversations are rare gems. Thank you Krishnamurti and Dr Anderson for consciously leaving this wisdom for future generations.
amazing series of dialogues full of wisdom. listening again and again awakens from deep sleep making us fully aware alert and make us live ordered life.life changing.THANKS
This series is the most transformative conversation I’ve ever heard
I can’t stop listening to him and be amazed by Krishna Ji, he s full of hope and putting all his energy to save mankind.. what a Man!!!🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for listening to these videos. For all humanity, for all mankind, its a seed you have planted.
I am keeping this in mind as I go throgh these videos sowly
Let the seed do its work.Dont disturb it. DOnt try to understand which will be akin to removing it from earth and examine if its germnating .
Couldn't agree more with you! 🙌
Thought has created the idea of non violence. It makes me think of this anti racism movement which is complete disorder and has caused racism where it doesn’t even exist. It has done nothing but create disorder which is racism all in the name of order which is anti racism. We create a solution to a problem we created and the solution becomes the problem. This fundamental understanding we still lack today its amazing.
He tried to help the white man not destroye himself however it hasn't worked
at this point we can only help ourselves if we can understand Krishna
Iam impress with what he is saying
Thanks for uploading.
The last words of Mr Anderson hit home. I remember getting into self-awareness/meditation/enlightenment stuff (I know, I know...) and in the process I just got so badly afraid of the things I'm aware of. It was so terrifying that my brain fought really hard to cover things up and make excuses/explanations for it's own comfort.
See you all in the next part I guess :-p
What an observation of a mind........ Excellent👏
Humans would benefit immensely if they could all partake in this conversation.
Perhaps
It is better to listen
How humble is Dr Anderson and so respectful of K, when he himself is an equally fine soul. Both are enjoying each other's company. Two greats in harmonious conversation. Thanks for uploading!
덕이란 참으로 겸손하고 아름다워요.
When you think of all the years he spent traveling and speaking to everyone and anyone, with such an passionate plea to mankind, he really did lead a selfless life. 🕊️
46 years later we are still living in disorder with daily changes from order!!! Can humanity change, can this mans wisdom come about in humanity😔 if not, which is clear that our present system is not working , then only one end is inevitable
In this specific talk all I can think about is USA lol. Every word he says it’s so relevant exactly what is going on today in 2022 in USA. Lack of real culture. Mmm mm mm.
There is no hope for America unfortunately 😞 😢 😔
Best conversation next to the series with David Bohm and his Real Revolution series
This is a marvelous talk, it's just truthful, and beautiful🙏
I love his passion and enthusiasm in his unraveling the clarity embedded within these observable insights of life.....
great conversation thank you sirs, meditative mind, empty nothingness, absolutely quiet , absolutely ZERO speed, where thought acts as a whole , perceive without perceiver, can enters the world of creation where only love can exist no opposite great teaching
Where to pause and where to pick threads as well as using just the right word or expression so that it leads the dialogue in desired direction.AMAZING COORDINATION ANDERSON SIR. Huge credit to u both in making sure we fully grasp with clarity.THANKS K SIR.
listening u both again and yet again reveal the limitations of my mind and this realisation pushes my mind beyond its narrow circle .THANKS
Good times for this. Thanks.
9:55 Out of understanding of disorder comes order.
26:57 It is that thought (fragmentation of thought) has produced disorder.
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it is a living process ....
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Un grandissimo Saggio.
How actual for the things happening in our world today
Division is alright as long as it's discriptive. But when you're living with it, that division is destructive.
-J Krishnamurti
first 2 min. of each talk is torture for K, now I can relate. -Sir..please.. let us start!
Amazing video 🙂
brilliant ✨
"Through 'conduct,' flowering in goodness, everyday"....
Thaaaanks!!
Two men thinking as one. Lovely to see.
Can feel JK ‘s joy that Alan could comprehend his sharing
- Root of problems 48:18 - 53:50 ✨
- Order comes only with the understanding of disorder 53:53 - 58:50 ✨
JK my God you're right. But to act on it in real life is not that much easy.
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Perhaps the issue JK is ultimately driving at is how there are multiple orders or multiple belief paradigms (governments, politics, business, religion, education) that manifest their own brand of order that invariably clashes with other order systems and, thus, disorder (relational conflict) is the only possible result.
For one to conform to an order leaves fragments of what would conflict to the order that one were being conformed to which would cause there to be disorder as long as the movement to order were not wholly done by the individual finding the order that they were observing which seems to take a large amount of honesty with oneself so as to not observe from a perspective that is fragmented
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Hi everyone,
I have a doubt after listening to this series so far.
"Why does K think that there's disorder in the world as he says there is?"
Because it is the fact. Don't you think there is disorder in the world?
There's order in our daily life but much more disorder.
Just watch the news 😥
He means disorder not only externally but internally in our minds aa well...
@@hsemu316 I agree
He has stated this in many of his talks
Yes you are making sense! 😂😂
That disorder inside of our mind will never ordered because we r always accepting it the way it is we always observe it that's the reason for it.#JK🙏
16:57 ♥️😁
I think what JK implies in an ambiguous way to the listeners is - that Order even for good , yet not properly understood by the other makes the other to rebel and cause disorder in anger. alternatively if the other has already an understanding of , what chaos disorder can cause, would not rebel, in fact there is not even a need for an imposed order.
The Dr. is elaborating the speaker's concept base on his past knowledge with a slight differenciation. In short, he cannot totally grasp the radical psychology of the speaker and that is to get out from the past knowledge.
And can you? He's pondering what Krishnamurti is saying and rephrasing it in his own words to confirm if he's understanding the message, which is a sensible thing to do.
@@endlessvoid1918 the original comment is literally displaying what JK is highlighting what the problem is in society. It's hilarious and I agree with your comment.
Can one live his life with no comparison? K
Agree with your observation 👍
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