He’s wonderful. I do feel he has an endless supply of questions so that can interrupt the answering of the previous one. I think when asking a question, there can be a ceasing of other questions until an answer is forthcoming. His high level of curiosity lead him to so much, but for peace, perhaps we need to allow some unknown to be ok. And our presence to be as or more important than our questions.
The original teacher in a chair and one the most humble under appreciated minds. Pure unbiased dialogue beyond/above politics like this no longer exist and sorely needed but not for profit, image or fame. The last three are why they’re now rare. Deep thank you to his JK foundation for these videos and not exploiting or profiting from his legacy.
I do not think that Krishnamurti would have liked your comment. He never wanted to be called teacher, he just wanted to make us do things ourselves without authorities. Teacher is authority, please do not corrupt this wonderful person!
I think you're too focused on the words or confunding things. He or she didnt said that Jiddu is an authority. There isnt necessarily anything wrong with being a teacher. A teacher is someone who offers something to the student. The teacher also learns from the student. A parent is a teacher. You dont have to accept what they offer you, so theres no authority. Theres nothing wrong with admiring someone and Im sure you also do that maybe even a bit too much since you said "I dont think Jiddu would have liked your comment" as if what Jiddu could think of the comment is very important to you. 🙂
David Bohm tries to perceive everything through thought. We need to perceive it with total concentration without any thought, says Krishnamurti . Woderful! David Bohm makes it clear through his questions. Brilliant investigation, brilliant!
@@stefankatomova-nikolova213 must be very careful in word choice, for the well being of all (especially for the benefit of the sayer), although many, like @noobitzkiy, understands.... Thank you for the efforts.
Investigation all right, but completely closed, and so takes none into his own erogance.... Bohm is one of the standard scientists, who experiment on other animals' but never had done on themselves, as K had done throughout his life. One gets the result, while the other gets free riding in the aura of the other....
I love them too. Einstein defines time also as movement. No movement mesns death. Then death is truth, because we are in the common consciousness or the common intellect, which is not thought. Love this. And how right they are about violence. We are violent, this is reality. Point. Thought is division, division is conflict, conflict is violence. ❤
To live by thought, react, is to live within many other false egoic minds, their false trees of knowledge becomes yours, along with the inherent and uncorrected errors. When you realize that you have awoken in others dream world, their ego’s, gain a bearing of the firm foundation, then proceed along the tree of life, acting, in the present, not reacting to another’s past images. Love and compassion, will then be, upon which you stand.
Understanding ONE SELF in a growing comprehension of Our Selves in Super Consciousness WE must go beyond words as we are Frequency Vibrations of pure energy influencing each other.
Man is so badly intertwined in psychological time created by thought as primary ingredient that convincing him of the possibility of different way is the most difficult thing in the world. K was fearless to point this out and K was unique.
People don't realize they are separate because they have expectations; in the same way the expectation of the new teacher is to have people realize that they're inseparable but as individuals.
I'm writing this after listening for 33 mins. They haven't defined the terms of conciousness at the beginning and it is causing confusion. Conciousness is seeing, hearing, taste, touch and smelling Self-conciousness is what we think about these sensations (senses.)
Science culture technology communication travel art the human brain has been evolved or given by so called creator this amazing ability to cultivate perpetually is as debatable as whether this ability is destructive or constructive that’s the question
What is truly creative or destructive? Good or evil? How is it so, if not for human consciousness especially for the suppressed or weaker ones? Iam just curious
How you know you are a separate being? Look at ants. Are they separate? How each ant knows what to do to survive the whole colony? It doesn't 'know' it. It just works. Driven by one, ant-only mind :). And bees the same can be observed. All the bees are working together like it is a one thing just fragmentized into forms.
Time is a concept. Does it actually exist external to the human mind, or is it just the tendency of the mind to project from consciousness something it has concluded is a an external reality?
Wow this is a really good question but yes we are caught up in the time which is itself an illusion. The thought itself is a time because it travels through memories and all that stuff. If we totally free our mind of thought, we transcend through time to another untouched stat⁹e of mind where we find our true nature. The self.
Thought precedes language, language allowed thought of doing, to be arrangeable, to plan, language is where the one becomes two, a dialogue begins, once divided, conflict begins.
I feel like they know something they're not telling us but they sure as heck are trying. It's almost painful to watch. I wish they'd just spit it out. What... I'm... sensing is the future is right NOW and we all better band together if we want to save our selves {and mankind} so that we can have a future worth living.
Imagine if you believe in the biblical story of creation where God makes man and woman. They are hanging out and being. This before they got invovled with the going ons of the garden of Eden, their content to give them consciousness would have been zilch or different from what we know as consciousness today. Then their brain started telling the things and they may have thought all sorts about this very experience. They may have said their thoughts was God speaking until what they heard from their thought was contrary to what they thpught God was capable of saying. My brain hurts even though time has taught those before me and all I have to do now is rip the fruits of their labour.
Bohm is the best interlocutor for Krishnamurti.Some persons in the Krishnamurti Foundation objected to the fact that,in their dialogues,Bohm was using more words than Krishnamurti -they counted the number of words. How silly.
Especially considering krishnamurthi preferred the audience do investigation and exploration along with him rather than only listen to what he says. And that's what bohms doing. Exploring together basically and opening the topics together.
David Bohm seems to be trying himself in knots trying to understand what K is saying on an intellectual mental level, if only he had some existential insights or glimpses of the reality of what K was talking about he could have grasped things properly. Otherwise this is sadly just coming across as verbal semantics and linguistic gymnastics.
I think K is trying to runn this whole conversation as a spiritual/emotional explanation of the world, but B is explaining from scientific point of view and lots of time K is cutting him off and some of the concepts K is not understanding so he moves to another topic/question and so whole conversation is just lots of open ended questions that both of K and B didn't finish. There are gems but it's very chaotic.
People these days, in general, are more overflown by information. This causes many misinterpretation, because this information is by choise. The addressed complex of thinking is worse now more then before, with emphassis on the invention of internet. This complex became unbearable, thus to seek more religious or spiritual liberation exceeds other urges. But is it true, or do we think it is? Because u are looking at two people who both in there own way dedicated there entire life to this, not to mention a superior IQ.
As per your last two religions l am last messenger if you believe or not its not my problem because sll messenger produced from this Indian soilஃஃஃஃஃஃ❤❤❤❤❤❤
David Bohm was the best person ever to interview J. Krishnamurti. Love these two a lot.
He’s wonderful. I do feel he has an endless supply of questions so that can interrupt the answering of the previous one. I think when asking a question, there can be a ceasing of other questions until an answer is forthcoming. His high level of curiosity lead him to so much, but for peace, perhaps we need to allow some unknown to be ok. And our presence to be as or more important than our questions.
And Alain Naude too
I am big fan of Alain Naude
I have read David Bohm in 1996, but only TODAY i see him in a video with Krishnamurti. Thanks a lot for uploading!
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I love the silences in the conversation !
One cell talking to another and trying to find answers with such great talking and listening and answering and listening.
This particular dialogue is particularly significant for those on the verge of breakthrough from the notion of self.
Thank you, in advance, al
Yep, Ending of Time did more for me, but this is the one I return to.
Great respect jiddu Krishnamurti sir
The original teacher in a chair and one the most humble under appreciated minds. Pure unbiased dialogue beyond/above politics like this no longer exist and sorely needed but not for profit, image or fame. The last three are why they’re now rare. Deep thank you to his JK foundation for these videos and not exploiting or profiting from his legacy.
I do not think that Krishnamurti would have liked your comment. He never wanted to be called teacher, he just wanted to make us do things ourselves without authorities. Teacher is authority, please do not corrupt this wonderful person!
I think you're too focused on the words or confunding things. He or she didnt said that Jiddu is an authority. There isnt necessarily anything wrong with being a teacher. A teacher is someone who offers something to the student. The teacher also learns from the student. A parent is a teacher. You dont have to accept what they offer you, so theres no authority.
Theres nothing wrong with admiring someone and Im sure you also do that maybe even a bit too much since you said "I dont think Jiddu would have liked your comment" as if what Jiddu could think of the comment is very important to you. 🙂
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David Bohm tries to perceive everything through thought. We need to perceive it with total concentration without any thought, says Krishnamurti . Woderful! David Bohm makes it clear through his questions. Brilliant investigation, brilliant!
You mean Total Attention. Total concentration have a different meaning.
@@noobitzkiy yes, you are right, that is what I mean. 😊
@@stefankatomova-nikolova213 must be very careful in word choice, for the well being of all (especially for the benefit of the sayer), although many, like @noobitzkiy, understands.... Thank you for the efforts.
Investigation all right, but completely closed, and so takes none into his own erogance....
Bohm is one of the standard scientists, who experiment on other animals' but never had done on themselves, as K had done throughout his life.
One gets the result, while the other gets free riding in the aura of the other....
The wholeness of humanity is the collective unconsciousness.
I love them too. Einstein defines time also as movement. No movement mesns death. Then death is truth, because we are in the common consciousness or the common intellect, which is not thought. Love this. And how right they are about violence. We are violent, this is reality. Point. Thought is division, division is conflict, conflict is violence. ❤
Two heavyweights RIP ❤
The whole future in now. Love it.
The natural flow between reflects mirror like the process of thinking they are different and same like all of us
To live by thought, react, is to live within many other false egoic minds, their false trees of knowledge becomes yours, along with the inherent and uncorrected errors. When you realize that you have awoken in others dream world, their ego’s, gain a bearing of the firm foundation, then proceed along the tree of life, acting, in the present, not reacting to another’s past images. Love and compassion, will then be, upon which you stand.
❤❤this is very true thank you so much
Fabulous ❤
The dilemma covers the entire thought process and the acute observation of this moving mindset opens up what could be called intelligence
Understanding ONE SELF in a growing comprehension of Our Selves in Super Consciousness WE must go beyond words as we are Frequency Vibrations of pure energy influencing each other.
Nonsense
Man is so badly intertwined in psychological time created by thought as primary ingredient that convincing him of the possibility of different way is the most difficult thing in the world. K was fearless to point this out and K was unique.
Great 👍
People don't realize they are separate because they have expectations; in the same way the expectation of the new teacher is to have people realize that they're inseparable but as individuals.
I'm writing this after listening for 33 mins. They haven't defined the terms of conciousness at the beginning and it is causing confusion. Conciousness is seeing, hearing, taste, touch and smelling Self-conciousness is what we think about these sensations (senses.)
Consciousness is direct perception without any thought, any word, any concept.
That is not the meaning of consciousness here. Here it means the consciousness of mankind: anxiety, happiness, sorrow, loneliness, pleasure etc
Can you possibly shut up and just listen?
Science culture technology communication travel art the human brain has been evolved or given by so called creator this amazing ability to cultivate perpetually is as debatable as whether this ability is destructive or constructive that’s the question
What is truly creative or destructive?
Good or evil?
How is it so, if not for human consciousness especially for the suppressed or weaker ones?
Iam just curious
thank u for sharing
The meaning of life is love. It is not good for one to be alone...
@@ELIASGTR Correct! 🙏
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How you know you are a separate being? Look at ants. Are they separate? How each ant knows what to do to survive the whole colony? It doesn't 'know' it. It just works. Driven by one, ant-only mind :). And bees the same can be observed. All the bees are working together like it is a one thing just fragmentized into forms.
Time is a concept. Does it actually exist external to the human mind, or is it just the tendency of the mind to project from consciousness something it has concluded is a an external reality?
Wow this is a really good question but yes we are caught up in the time which is itself an illusion. The thought itself is a time because it travels through memories and all that stuff. If we totally free our mind of thought, we transcend through time to another untouched stat⁹e of mind where we find our true nature. The self.
Is the source of thought language rather than memory?
Thought precedes language, language allowed thought of doing, to be arrangeable, to plan, language is where the one becomes two, a dialogue begins, once divided, conflict begins.
I feel like they know something they're not telling us but they sure as heck are trying. It's almost painful to watch. I wish they'd just spit it out.
What... I'm... sensing is the future is right NOW and we all better band together if we want to save our selves {and mankind} so that we can have a future worth living.
I think J.Krishnamurti is not able to put all that godly knowledge he have into human understandable words.
Major transcript errors, “my ego”, written as “eggs”.
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I did not marry and have no children. It is my choice and luckily it is a right one.
What's your age?
I am interested in the same way of living, can you give any insights, advices, cautions, please
We are all one, every path leads home, from whence we came.
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Imagine if you believe in the biblical story of creation where God makes man and woman. They are hanging out and being. This before they got invovled with the going ons of the garden of Eden, their content to give them consciousness would have been zilch or different from what we know as consciousness today. Then their brain started telling the things and they may have thought all sorts about this very experience. They may have said their thoughts was God speaking until what they heard from their thought was contrary to what they thpught God was capable of saying. My brain hurts even though time has taught those before me and all I have to do now is rip the fruits of their labour.
Bohm is the best interlocutor for Krishnamurti.Some persons in the Krishnamurti Foundation objected to the fact that,in their dialogues,Bohm was using more words than Krishnamurti -they counted the number of words. How silly.
Especially considering krishnamurthi preferred the audience do investigation and exploration along with him rather than only listen to what he says. And that's what bohms doing. Exploring together basically and opening the topics together.
Krishnamurti died in 1986, at the age of about 90, so when was this video made please ?
Before 1986!
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It's 1983.
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David Bohm seems to be trying himself in knots trying to understand what K is saying on an intellectual mental level, if only he had some existential insights or glimpses of the reality of what K was talking about he could have grasped things properly. Otherwise this is sadly just coming across as verbal semantics and linguistic gymnastics.
I think K is trying to runn this whole conversation as a spiritual/emotional explanation of the world, but B is explaining from scientific point of view and lots of time K is cutting him off and some of the concepts K is not understanding so he moves to another topic/question and so whole conversation is just lots of open ended questions that both of K and B didn't finish. There are gems but it's very chaotic.
People these days, in general, are more overflown by information. This causes many misinterpretation, because this information is by choise. The addressed complex of thinking is worse now more then before, with emphassis on the invention of internet. This complex became unbearable, thus to seek more religious or spiritual liberation exceeds other urges. But is it true, or do we think it is? Because u are looking at two people who both in there own way dedicated there entire life to this, not to mention a superior IQ.
As per your last two religions l am last messenger if you believe or not its not my problem because sll messenger produced from this Indian soilஃஃஃஃஃஃ❤❤❤❤❤❤
What a terrible! And fascinating discussion!
not interest
Need deep understanding for j Krishnamurti to fathom what he says dear