If I was a student of JK sir, I would be the student who could live on myself without anything in this world. I don't understand why his words are not famous as so called people so far. I can say that I experience what he say when I accept them. I set myself free from every nonsense I've accumulated. Thank you J.K sir
Usually I don't find appealing spiritual teachers conversations with other people, but K with this gentleman shine together, K usually is a bit hard with people while teaching, I believe because he senses that they don't follow him through it that much, but with this gentleman the conversation and the understanding flows in such a beautiful way, you can even sense that K is enjoying it, I'm really glad I found these, thank you so much for sharing the teachings 🤍
Hurt being unraveled here is courageous. A child’s initiation into hurt is the most difficult thing for me to confront. And yet it seems all of us are children who are hurt. Thank you for discussing this and opening my heart.
What a man with absolute credibility, if you want true intelligence, he is the ultimate, it may take time to understand his vocabulary and be ablw to connect the dots, if you keep listening, all the gems of life will start to show up along the way
Understanding comes from pure attention initially, you can’t reach any understanding if you aren’t at full attention. The bonus is that once understanding is there it strengthens the ability to be attentive.
Consciousness never ends only the ego does. Also the ego says consciousness is limited to only you which it is not. There is no such thing as death only the ending of memory, body and ego. You’ve been conscious millions of times but will always only remember 1 life.
the way to englightenment is just to reach a certain energy, while energy is awareness. so when you are suffering, you accept the condition until the confusion is gone (which can take some time). when the confusion is gone, the resulting awareness/energy will propel itself. this is not an unusual thing, it happens to the average person, the whole thing is not 'unrelatable' at all, you already know every smallest part of it until the end. when the energy/awareness propels itself, there is very little effort necessary, just observation and you will reach all the states of mind (automatically, not by desire). so 1. get out of suffering at least a bit, your brain will eventually create contrast to it, which is awareness. then, when you have calm energy and the right view of things (not even too perfect, perfection doesn't have to be 'finished' by the brain, you just need an entry, acceleration), more energy will build up and eventually automate itself. it's absolutely logical, mundane in a sense, without any intention, but also not without doing, the sense of doing changes a bit. when there is energy, everything is easier, you learn how to stop resisting, the less you resist, the more the energy gets. anything beyond that doesn't need a manual, it's almost too easy. the whole thing is about creating energy by yourself. focus on your energy, not on your senses in order to create more energy/awareness. the senses are fine, everything in your consciousness is perfectly fine, but the energy is the key, everything is energy, that's easy to grasp.
Psychologically what is it that hurts? ---> The investment into myself hurts, but why? ---> The loss of it, the loneliness that comes after, the lost, planned chances to be loved, admired, accepted, the vulnerability right after when the 'me' dissolves which is all the artificial hopes of experiencing love, security are the things which hurt us psychologically... because all the unattended parts, the unknown parts which make the whole become revealed... and there is a lot of unattended matters to be observed and to get to know... know thyself. - - - wow
Teaching children how to grow up without being or feeling hurt must begin with both parents because how they ultimate raise a child greatly determines to what extent he or she ultimately feels safe and secure within himself or herself and, thus, with the world the child encounters through attending school.
K says, "But you have to understand how the image is built. It won't just go away".... That is, one must understand how the ego is built.... Where and when and who started it, why and how....
That the fact that the priests (or prophets?) had become the annointed handler or interpreter of God's message has been clearly seen in the secred books, promenently in the bible.
considering how much k has been emphasis on don't think, but this man always thinking while k was talking , and he always like to recite phases, how can a man still be so conditioned after had so many dialogs with k
On the one hand he's fulfilling the role of interviewing or active participant in the conversation. On the other this allows us to see what JK means in the sense of hearing someone speak but not being drawn into deciding if its right or wrong by thought. This is modeling what he points to. Most times JK isn't & he let's the statements breathe and he continues on with what he was saying. But every now & then you can see him respond to it.
"Having image of oneself inevitably get hurt" ... How about ... could there be some kind of original image making...as "being a human, how could he do such a thing?"... Mankind is a type of animals, to begin with, and to be a human, there must be some education to grow into a human being. If a child is raised by non-human, he will act like one. Then what happen to the image? Do humans ... do we have some adequate education to grow into intelligent wise human being? Our traditional education by families grow selfish animals, and then public education is geared to raise job seekers- intellectual mechanical being, always comparing and competing against others- friends, even family members.... We all have been grown into heartless job seeks for those numbered well-paying-good-jobs, aren't we...? And who failed the purpose at the end, we all are losers.... In all our education has been geared to develop selfish losers.. or selfish mediocre.... Corruption of mankind... as fallen sentient being. We all are made of the children of Lucifer... against the image of human beings supposed to be.
To think of religion as the adoration of life seems to be the misinterpretation of religions as they are because of the various conflicts that come about when they are brought into practice
If a parent says no to a kid in buying a costly item then is that not hurt ? But if the parent cannot afford it then how to go about this . We can explain it to the kid but the kid might still be hurt
It is denial of desire. Thought not obtaining the object of want and producing the thought that it hurts. Hurt being identified by sensations in the past that caused the same feeling. But it is the absence of what never was but only imagined to be.
How do you not get hurt if you have boundaries for relationships? The me is a must for relationship unless you accept everything that is being done to you. You don’t just accept your wife or husband cheating. Everything has to be dealt with in relationship.
The need for boundaries is control very craftily concealed. What is acceptance? Who is accepting? Is cheating done to you? Return back to the origin, the decision to create a contract that you & I think we belong together and are choosing to be together forever. There are very strict rules beliefs and assumptions associated with this context by society so if you want out..... and if you love me (words) the corresponding action is to only be with me forevermore. This is why attachment creates suffering and all the emotions JK mentioned that goes with it (anxiety, jealousy, anger, etc).
There is no selfless duality... So, selfless duality is not duality ... The fallacy of language ... when language disappears, there is no selfishness. Or selfishness disappears, humans don't need the language and can live life peacefully. Language is only necessary to build the society, the social system.... However, in building the system, persisting selfishness in the use of the language, the systems are only glittering empty shells, dysfunctional machines, following their "owners"....
this guys has totally disturbed me, i don't think if i can live the way i have been living all this time like a machine
transformation of mankind
K is saving lives. Incredibly grateful for these uploads. Thank you
I really enjoyed this discussion especially when they began talking about hurt. RIP to both of these great guys❤️❤️❤️
Is mr. Anderson dead?
@@ЕвгенийЧерненко-б8р no
@@ЕвгенийЧерненко-б8рAllan W Anderson died on March 11, 2013.
If I was a student of JK sir, I would be the student who could live on myself without anything in this world. I don't understand why his words are not famous as so called people so far. I can say that I experience what he say when I accept them. I set myself free from every nonsense I've accumulated. Thank you J.K sir
You can’t be a student of someone who isn’t teaching.
@@captiantoastytm6436 all of this intellectual reply..an intelligent reply of mind..
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Life becomes easy ,very easy when you understand j krishnamurti
Thanks for uploading the video❤
Usually I don't find appealing spiritual teachers conversations with other people, but K with this gentleman shine together, K usually is a bit hard with people while teaching, I believe because he senses that they don't follow him through it that much, but with this gentleman the conversation and the understanding flows in such a beautiful way, you can even sense that K is enjoying it, I'm really glad I found these, thank you so much for sharing the teachings 🤍
Hurt being unraveled here is courageous. A child’s initiation into hurt is the most difficult thing for me to confront. And yet it seems all of us are children who are hurt. Thank you for discussing this and opening my heart.
Thank you to the organisation that has shared this for the greater good of humanity.
brilliant.
this whole series of conversations is just BRILLIANT 🙏🏽✨🙏🏽
What a man with absolute credibility, if you want true intelligence, he is the ultimate, it may take time to understand his vocabulary and be ablw to connect the dots, if you keep listening, all the gems of life will start to show up along the way
From understanding comes an attention ✅
Correct 💯
Understanding comes from pure attention initially, you can’t reach any understanding if you aren’t at full attention. The bonus is that once understanding is there it strengthens the ability to be attentive.
so beautiful
Magnificent 🍀
Even though these precious souls aren’t here with us in physical body’s i know that they are somewhere having this same convo somewhere ❤️💎
Consciousness never ends only the ego does. Also the ego says consciousness is limited to only you which it is not. There is no such thing as death only the ending of memory, body and ego. You’ve been conscious millions of times but will always only remember 1 life.
i meant to say humans but i said souls instead because in reality that’s what we all
@@The_Primary_Axiomthat’s a lot of words and thoughts lmao 🤮
the way to englightenment is just to reach a certain energy, while energy is awareness. so when you are suffering, you accept the condition until the confusion is gone (which can take some time). when the confusion is gone, the resulting awareness/energy will propel itself. this is not an unusual thing, it happens to the average person, the whole thing is not 'unrelatable' at all, you already know every smallest part of it until the end. when the energy/awareness propels itself, there is very little effort necessary, just observation and you will reach all the states of mind (automatically, not by desire). so 1. get out of suffering at least a bit, your brain will eventually create contrast to it, which is awareness. then, when you have calm energy and the right view of things (not even too perfect, perfection doesn't have to be 'finished' by the brain, you just need an entry, acceleration), more energy will build up and eventually automate itself. it's absolutely logical, mundane in a sense, without any intention, but also not without doing, the sense of doing changes a bit. when there is energy, everything is easier, you learn how to stop resisting, the less you resist, the more the energy gets. anything beyond that doesn't need a manual, it's almost too easy. the whole thing is about creating energy by yourself. focus on your energy, not on your senses in order to create more energy/awareness. the senses are fine, everything in your consciousness is perfectly fine, but the energy is the key, everything is energy, that's easy to grasp.
Best video 😍
Psychologically what is it that hurts? ---> The investment into myself hurts, but why? ---> The loss of it, the loneliness that comes after, the lost, planned chances to be loved, admired, accepted, the vulnerability right after when the 'me' dissolves which is all the artificial hopes of experiencing love, security are the things which hurt us psychologically... because all the unattended parts, the unknown parts which make the whole become revealed... and there is a lot of unattended matters to be observed and to get to know... know thyself. - - - wow
Very well stated, thank you.
Magical
This is amazing
brilliant, and every consideration is even more brilliant.
just mind blowing ✨😇🙏🏽
Thank you for posting these series of conversations 🙏🏽😇
K’s love of the word “sacred”
Teaching children how to grow up without being or feeling hurt must begin with both parents because how they ultimate raise a child greatly determines to what extent he or she ultimately feels safe and secure within himself or herself and, thus, with the world the child encounters through attending school.
25:25 - Concentration is exclusion.
K says, "But you have to understand how the image is built. It won't just go away"....
That is, one must understand how the ego is built.... Where and when and who started it, why and how....
Nice JK👌👌
❤❤❤🙏Thank you so much
Why Mr Anderson always suddenly changes the topic ??
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great
He doesn't want to be appreciated stop worshipping him like a god he just want you to understand it completely unconditionally
Yes 👍🏾
and alllll the rest of it
What a blessed man he is jk 🫶
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“Civilization is hurting” 😢
9:11 Rigveda on God
25:15 Attention
K=Love
There are some words that I do not understand, is it ok to have the exact words of the dialogue, thank you so much
Sublim!
That the fact that the priests (or prophets?) had become the annointed handler or interpreter of God's message has been clearly seen in the secred books, promenently in the bible.
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considering how much k has been emphasis on don't think, but this man always thinking while k was talking , and he always like to recite phases, how can a man still be so conditioned after had so many dialogs with k
On the one hand he's fulfilling the role of interviewing or active participant in the conversation. On the other this allows us to see what JK means in the sense of hearing someone speak but not being drawn into deciding if its right or wrong by thought. This is modeling what he points to. Most times JK isn't & he let's the statements breathe and he continues on with what he was saying. But every now & then you can see him respond to it.
!! Nature of hurt; on the minute 30 on....
55:18 could we invest in others 🤔🧐. Psychologically or whatever it may be
"Having image of oneself inevitably get hurt" ...
How about ... could there be some kind of original image making...as "being a human, how could he do such a thing?"...
Mankind is a type of animals, to begin with, and to be a human, there must be some education to grow into a human being. If a child is raised by non-human, he will act like one. Then what happen to the image?
Do humans ... do we have some adequate education to grow into intelligent wise human being? Our traditional education by families grow selfish animals, and then public education is geared to raise job seekers- intellectual mechanical being, always comparing and competing against others- friends, even family members.... We all have been grown into heartless job seeks for those numbered well-paying-good-jobs, aren't we...? And who failed the purpose at the end, we all are losers.... In all our education has been geared to develop selfish losers.. or selfish mediocre.... Corruption of mankind... as fallen sentient being. We all are made of the children of Lucifer... against the image of human beings supposed to be.
What are we to do
The education is necessary but that's not enough. No education can teach you to be free of greed fear sorrow.
To think of religion as the adoration of life seems to be the misinterpretation of religions as they are because of the various conflicts that come about when they are brought into practice
If a parent says no to a kid in buying a costly item then is that not hurt ?
But if the parent cannot afford it then how to go about this . We can explain it to the kid but the kid might still be hurt
It is denial of desire. Thought not obtaining the object of want and producing the thought that it hurts. Hurt being identified by sensations in the past that caused the same feeling. But it is the absence of what never was but only imagined to be.
34:51 minutes in who is Mr. Brown
51:50 (on education)
How do you not get hurt if you have boundaries for relationships? The me is a must for relationship unless you accept everything that is being done to you. You don’t just accept your wife or husband cheating. Everything has to be dealt with in relationship.
The need for boundaries is control very craftily concealed. What is acceptance? Who is accepting? Is cheating done to you? Return back to the origin, the decision to create a contract that you & I think we belong together and are choosing to be together forever. There are very strict rules beliefs and assumptions associated with this context by society so if you want out..... and if you love me (words) the corresponding action is to only be with me forevermore. This is why attachment creates suffering and all the emotions JK mentioned that goes with it (anxiety, jealousy, anger, etc).
There is no selfless duality... So, selfless duality is not duality ...
The fallacy of language ... when language disappears, there is no selfishness. Or selfishness disappears, humans don't need the language and can live life peacefully.
Language is only necessary to build the society, the social system.... However, in building the system, persisting selfishness in the use of the language, the systems are only glittering empty shells, dysfunctional machines, following their "owners"....
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