THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY 4K ULTRAHD BLU-RAY REVIEW | KINO LORBER
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2021
- Let’s check out the new 4K UltraHD Blu-ray release of The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly from Kino Lorber in this review!
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I hope Kino puts out Fistful of Dollars and Few Dollars More next in 4K.
If they don’t a lot of people will be upset lol
It would disappointing to have just one of the 3( or five including Leone's other two westerns)
I think it'll largely depend on how well this new 4K sells
Yesssss!
Yes, please!
I'd like to see a proper 4K HDR "Once Upon a Time In The West."
My all time favorite western
They will most likely go for that one next since Kino is releasing 4K versions of A Fistfull of Dollars & For A Few Dollars More the end of May.
@@dannygrant639 And then there’s only two more Leone movies to go!
Actually, I think the audio is a huge upgrade. The original mono track is much cleaner than the previous blu-ray, and the 5.1 remix seems to be much more faithful to the original track than the previous 5.1 one which has a lot of sound effects redone.
There's one thing you didn't mention, Kino finally corrected a past major issue with their 2017 release and that's they FINALLY include the correct international cut, the 2017 disk tried to replicate it but did a poor job, shots were still missing and others were there that weren't supposed to be. For the missing shots they scanned a 35mm print and color corrected it and they took out the other shots that weren't supposed to be there.
pre-ordered this from the KL website after tossing my Blu-ray on eBay... feels like I've purchased this movie over 10 times over the years VHS, DVDs, Blu-rays, etc ..... here's hoping it ends with the 4k!
If they can somehow get cinema resolutions into a cheap to package format there will definitely be more. But of course at the tail end of physical media being available that most likely won’t happen.
Without HDR, there's gonna be another edition.
DUDE same.
did you get the slipcover?
@@joshualufkin7781 Yes - I posted an unboxing video on my channel fyi and talked a bit about the release - haven't watched it yet tho!
They should remaster the whole Dirty Harry movie collection with Atmos.
...I mean...ALL of them?
I'd honestly rather them restore the original audio mixes cause the remixes are terrible
Atmos lol. If u want atmos watch a new movie id rather hear it the way it was intended instead of some 20yr old wamabe sound mixer messing around with a classic. Mono can still
sound pretty good if u have good speakers. Luckily i got all the dh original tracks from laser disc since they likely won't include the mono in the 4k
I only care for the first 2 dirty harry’s. The first one is still the best tho. 4k stereo would be better than atmos.
The September 2009 Blu-ray of this movie was great too, this 4K is slightly better in resolution but more or less the same in color timing.
hope they got rid of that weird yellow tint in the previous 4k of it
O i spoke to soon 😆
How so? You mean you hadn't realized there was a blue-tinted blu ray?
Was waiting for this review seriously. Thanks Jeff!
I watched this on celluloid at a theater about fifteen years ago. Good memories. It's sweet to get this at home, and I'm sure this is the best home movie release yet of GB&U, but there's nothing like the big screen for these widescreen epics. Luckily I have a projector, but it's my screen's still not 40 feet wide!
I thought the tint on the 2014 Blu Ray looked really ugly, so I am glad to hear the color is improved (the main reason I was looking forward to the 4K). I have a question though: in the 4K screenshots you showed, it looked more “zoomed in” or cropped or something. Did they change the aspect ratio/crop the picture for the 4K? Or did it just appear like that due to the method you used to take the screenshots of the 4K?
Such a classic movie. I will upgrade for about the 4th time. Can’t wait for the 4K next week!
Hannibal is Kino Lorber first 4K release, Mad Max, Spaceballs, The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly. Hopefully soon eternal sunshine of the spotless mind, Touch of evil
Great info. Thanks. It was film in 'Techniscope' which filmed half the 35mm negative and then squeezed and blown-up to full-frame 35, so the image can never be as sharp as a full-frame 35mm filmed in Panavision. But it's looking good now.
No mention of the fact that this is the first time the proper ORIGINAL INTERNATIONAL CUT has been available? Also, the mono sound is improved as it's sourced from a different master with better quality.
The reason they didn't do HDR is because the source they were working with was SDR so it wouldn't add any dynamic range at all.
Well, the theatrical cut had been available on the very first DVD from 98/99. But never remastered at this level of course. The reason they didn't use HDR is because the negative as it is wasn't the best to use HDR on, it would overblow the contrast from what I read a technician explain in a review
@@andresvergara3095 Actually that version was not the true theatrical cut it had some missing shots and reordered shots during one sequence. So this is the first time since the early 90s laserdisc that we are getting the true theatrical cut.
The source they were using was a SDR 4K master with baked in colour grading. They did not have access to the original negative for this. Granted, the SDR master was made from the negative so it has nice clarity and no generational degradation but because it was mastered in SDR doing an HDR grade while fixing the colours would not add anything.
HDR doesn't "overblow" the contrast. A colorist still needs to sit behind a monitor and do a colour correction, it's not an automated process. HDR is just more colour bits and dynamic range to work with while grading and it can be used on any film negative no matter what the state of it is. A good example is how Django has just had an HDR 4K release and looks great. If Kino did a brand new scan from the negative with all new restoration work (which would cost a hell of a lot) then they for sure would have done an HDR mastering.
@@samreid9106 Thank you for expanding on this, I did mean the Scan (not the Negative) was not optimal for HDR...although I have also heard some negatives don't look as well with HDR, not sure where that comes from. It still doesn't make a lot of sense not doing a new scan when they are able to afford new scans for something like Django (Arrow) but not for TGTBU?? Arguably one of the "biggest" movies in history as with many other films...or would MGM not let them rather?
@@andresvergara3095 you’re welcome. Yeah who knows why it could be the case where it’s such a long movie it would require a lot of man hours plus the licensing fees from MGM are probably very high. Criterion actually lost the bid on this so you can imagine the price tag.
Maybe one day we’ll get one but this is definitely a lot closer to perfection than ever before.
@@samreid9106 Hey Sam, I just watched first time the 4K UHD today (was super lucky to find a copy earlier this week!). Overall I was really marveled at so many levels on how beautiful so many shots look and for the first time looking much more clean and stunning. That being said I do feel like this version evidence quite a bit of disparity in quality for different shots which I think this is where the rabbit whole probably gets quite deep. There's a lot of shots were you don't really know if the shot is slightly out of focus naturally (many at the torture scene with Angel Eyes for example and others) or is it ths a matter of the actual negative that needs better restoration or a better scan in some parts...then again you can see some shots looking picture perfect (many of the landscape shots), so It makes me wonder how much room for improvement can be done to ever make this picture closer to perfect. Maybe it just wasn't the best shot movie ever as I've heard some suggest? My theory is they didn't make a Director's Cut version so they might revisit it in the future with a new scan. So although I super enjoyed it, i wonder how much better can it really get.
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That's... not the 4K at the bottom, that's the Italian Blu-ray
I took that photo with my phone off the TV. It’s not the best quality but it’s all I can get at this point until they make 4K drives more available for PCs
Anyone who looks at the caps-a-holic link you left in your description will see you didn't use their 4K shots because they weren't uploaded yet, so you used the Mondo Blu-ray and called it the new transfer.
Your spam filter ate it, but I posted a link to the same shot from the 1080p disc in this set.
@@KevinStriker I’ll have to look again then. Maybe I did pull the wrong image in when doing my layout of the three. If so, that’s unfortunate but I can cut it out of the video.
Well, as a still photographer for decades I know that photographers will go to great lengths to photograph during the golden hour around sunset and sunrise. This gives the color photographs a golden (yellow) glow. Perhaps the filmmakers made a conscious decision to use a film stock that rendered the intense desert sunlight with a golden hue? I don't know if they are still alive, but maybe they said so in the past? Or maybe it was degradation of the original film master that gave it the golden tint. I don't know. My point is, just because a certain move has a tint to it, it doesn't mean it was a mistake. A lot of filmmakers film for a certain color saturation. Sometimes they even switch the color of the tint for different scenes. So, let's not alter the filmmakers original intention just because we think something is wrong.
Pre ordered this, Thr Sting and Basic Instinct on 4k.
I would like to know how you compare : the standard bluray is upscaled to 4k in your player or tv , or set to SD quality ? Because pure based on the first images , the barrel of the gun looks sharper on the 2017 bluray compared to the 4k image . Even the eyes are sharper on the 2017 BR . So in short : upscaling the BR when playing or not ?
Glad to hear it's still a worthy buy despite no HDR. It's my all time favorite movie so I immediately pre-ordered it as soon as it was announced. And if a better 4K comes along with HDR and Dolby Atmos, I'm ok with buying it again.
thank you jeff, congrats on your extended family, also august babies are the best!!!
Great review as always Jeff. Never noticed the colour issues, probably to ingrossed in the movie. Have got my copy on order from Amazon 🇺🇸. Can't wait to watch again.
I think its a pretty bizarre decision to only remaster in SDR, when HDR/WCG is one of the big selling points and upgrades from BR. With it also not having an Atmos upgrade as much as I love this film I think I will pass on buying it, at least until it is in a sale.
Maybe if there is a lack of interest or a big enough outcry to this they will offer a HDR version like Funmation did with the recent Akira 4K release.
Kino is a really small label. HDR grading monitors are expressive as hell.
FUNimation messed up. Their release was supposed to be HDR, it's not that they decided not to do it.
Dude, they finally tracked down and put in the original, uncompressed Mono track for the first time in over 30 years and you want Dolby Atmos? Mixing a surround sound track from mono is extremely hard and costly and would not be representative of Leone’s vision.
Thanks for so much detail! 👍🏻
Do you know if ZSJL is available for preorder in the U.S.?
I heard from another reviewer that this 4K version is not the extended version. I’m keeping my blu ray version I purchased last year . I’m still picking this up .
Big thing about this release for me is that it includes the Theatrical Cut, as I far prefer that to the extended cut, which I feel broke up the pacing of the movie, and has been the only version available for some time now.
From what I've read the theatrical cut is only available on the blu-ray, not the UHD disc
@@droopdiggity DVDbeaver say it’s the theatrical cut.
@@FastEddie86 I've read a lot of conflicting information about whether or not the UHD disc is the theatrical cut, so I'm going to wait until next week for feedback from folks who bought it. I was hoping Jeff would've clarified this since it's a big issue for die hard fans of the movie. Some strongly prefer the extended, and others like myself strongly prefer the theatrical release.
It was originally the extended cut, but Kino ended up doing a poll on FB asking fans which version they wanted. Fans picked theatrical. So 4K is theatrical and the included blu has the extended. The scenes from the extended version are also available on the 4K disc in 4K resolution, they've just been relegated to the deleted scenes special feature section.
@@droopdiggity Very simple, the UHD IS THE THEATRICAL CUT, the BD included is the extended version. You also get the standalone extended scenes on 4k UHD as a special feature but not within the cut.
Admire your integrity. You’re being sponsored yet you are honest. $24 on the KL site! Thanks Jeff.
Just the channel I was looking for, great review!
Great film . Look forward to 4K release.
I'm ordering a copy right now Jeff, Thank you!
This is the 1st time I've bought this on Blu-ray so it'll be nice to see it in the 4k format Jeff.
I guess I'm the only one who loves the yellow tint on the 2014 Blu-Ray
It's not accurate.
@@TheStOne1 yeah but it gives the movie a dusty vibe which fits for a western.
Just pre-ordered the movie from Europe. Fingers crossed it gets delivered!
hey jeff I truly love your channel I am a huge film buff I actually went to film school in North Hollywood I live there and i collect myself but only films i really love not just films in general but i have seen well over 2000 films and its good to see people who support physical media , every film have is in the best print that i can find , slip cover transfer etc, i have many Us films that i have bought from Europe simply because the transfer is better as well as the packaging, I also have lots of blu rays in dvd casing just because i think it looks so much better, different colors etc, sorry for the rambling just wanted to say its awesome what you do and i def support the chanel and physical media, I actually just bought a rare lentecular south korea copy of casino brad new the art work is stunning it came with tangers poker chips , booklet , cards etc, and i always try to collect the orginal mgm dvd prints of films with the cases because those are trasures and it short supply they were the best...
My 4k copy just shipped. Can't wait to check it out. Own multiple copies of this film.
I wish mine would ship. I preordered it a week ahead of release and Amazon STILL hasn't shipped it. Amazon is hit and miss with preorders. It seems they struggle to comprehend "release day delivery"---- I guess it's "release month delivery" (if I'm lucky).
@@ontologicallysteve7765 Yea that does happen at times especially depending on the title. I guess this was a pretty popular release even though it's an older film. I pre-ordered mine from Best Buy I about 2 weeks out.
Many, many thanks for your informative & in depth review of my all time no.1 fav movie, i do have my copy on its way, & although i have many copies of "The Good, the bad & the ugly" its pleasing that color scheme is a improvement on previous blu ray releases. I agree its shocking that big studios did not get involved in this epic movie with a higher quality release when you compare that other classics that have got a ultimate 4K transfer, a far improvement is a worthy purchase in my eyes, great work Sir !
I am excited about the 4K version and have it pre-ordered on Amazon.
Does this release have the theatrical cut on both the 4K and the Blu-ray? I don't have a 4K setup but would be interested in it if the Blu-ray was the theatrical release as well. I have the older Blu-ray trilogy that I think is the extended release (I'll have to check my copy).
I bought the blu-ray from dollar tree for a $1, last year! I don't rewatch this movie that much so, I'm fine with that!
Good for you, but when you choose VHS tape you spend only 25 cents. So next time safe your money 💰🤑.
@@alarykattila4096 or just download this version’s MP4 torrent for free. 🤷🏻♂️
@@alarykattila4096 Honestly this is the kind of rough-edged movie that is suited to a VHS viewing. Same with Clint's Unforgiven
@@ProudMisogynist streaming in movies and music is sudpar and thats really what DLing is.
@@DoctorXander you are high again .
Believe it or not, not too long ago I picked up a 2007 - 2 disc - DVD release of a MGM remastering of "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" at a local Half Price Books for a few bucks. I already had an older DVD version and I always thought the picture quality just wasn't shot that good, but this new remastering on this DVD, back in 2007, was absolutely stunning. The color almost looked like technicolor and the picture quality and color was pristine, yellow tint was non existent, it almost looked like I was watching a high quality, newly remastered Blu-Ray. I was really impressed, even in the DVD format. This one was far superior to the 2014 Blu-Ray remaster which I have also. Who would have thunk it!
The 2009/2010 blu-ray version included in the "Trilogy" set is incredible as well. I won't be upgrading to a 4K version.
hi jeff i got question for you i got both spaceballs and good bad and ugly. did you copy feel greasy on inside of cases both i got were same way oily which went on disc ? you?
You ever gonna review Parasite 4K? A comparison with the Criterion would be interesting.
Great review, I love your honest comparison
Love your work Jeff.
I have a question what was the original Colour Pallet of the Movie released in the Cinema like.
There is reversible artwork for this release which looks better than the "poster" artwork, and the slipcover is only for the first 5000 units.
If you get a ps5 or an xbox series x or both can you do a review of the 4k blueray player on the consoles?
wonder how it looks with no HDR i know for a lot of people ive talk to about no HDR are saying they might not even pick it up
It was for the benefit of the picture not using HDR, there's a couple of reviews talking about this decision was the best from Kino, the scan was not the best to use HDR on it. Contrast wouldn't have benefited as it would with other movies/scans
I just watched this movie. So good.
Just got this. Havent watched the 4k yet. Interested to hear what you think…
Would you considering doing an update of movies you want to see come to 4k, ones that are on their way, likely to come, and unlikely to ever come?
I think I can wait since I have the 4K blu ray. Thanks for the review!
Wait for what??
hey, i got the 2014 Blu ray and for me it looks fantastic, except for all the scenes with english text on screen like "the good" "the bad" "the ugly" "the end", ya know? it looks like they made the restauration from the original italian negative but every time english text is written on screen it probably comes from a bad US print because the quality is A LOT worse. i got as i said the 2014 blu ray version (european realese), is this also like this in the new realeses?
Still wanting A dirty harry 4k BOX SET!!!
What do you guys think of VVC. Should we wait until VVC is out to but a new TV and disks?
Yes, bummer about no HDR... BUT it’s the best version of the movie so far... and original theatrical mono soundtrack option. ( not a lossy mix of a watered down 5.1)
Maybe one day there will be even a better way to view this movie... but it sounds as though this 4k is it for now and that’s good enough for me :)
“You’re not diggin’...”
There are two types of people in this world
It was for the benefit of the picture not using HDR, there's a couple of reviews talking about this decision was the best from Kino, the negative/scan was not the best to use HDR on it. Contrast wouldn't have benefited as it would with other movies/scans
can't wait to get this title
Do you know if the 5.1 track has the old sound effects? They were changed for any 5.1 track so I would always prefer the mono if there are new effects
The 5.1 are the old effects, as it is made from the LaserDisc sourced mono track that is also included.
Thanks. Just ordered it. I prefer the theatrical cut over the extended version. Also, while I haven't fired it yet, I own a cartridge conversion replica of Tuco's Colt 1851 Navy, which is the same pistol that Blondi carries. Difference is Blondi's pistol has snakes on the grips and Tuco's doesn't.
I too have this but I made my own blondie grips from an 1851 grip blank and snakes from Amazon. It was like $45 total.
Is the 2014 version the same as the 2009 version? What about the version that was included in the Man With No Name Trilogy in 2010? I had no idea there was such a huge variation between versions, and I'm curious about those versions.
No, the 2009 version had a very different color grade that was far more cool. However, it suffered from heavy DNR. This was the version that was included in the Man With No Name Trilogy in 2010.
@@michaelmcbrd8 Thanks!
@@michaelmcbrd8 I have that "Trilogy" set from 2010, with the extended version. I have no problems at all with the coloring, and the DNR didn't bother me at all. I won't be upgrading to the new 4k version.
There is reversible artwork in the disc holder..of the KL 4k release....
Great review. It also has reversible artwork. Just FYI
man been waiting for this one!
i dont have any release of this film yet. should i grab it at release since its a smaller release, or should i wait for prices to drop? will prices drop, given that its an independent release?
It won't drop much if ever as there is low quantities being produced from a small company.
just pre order saw 4k and basic instinct 4k here in uk
Btw, KL is having an awesome sale
Thanks for the review. I think I will hold out for a more finely tuned HDR version.
Maybe 30 years later... because we have this... don`t expect new version soon.
@@haukionkannel 30 years? I doubt there will even be physical media in 30 years. Naw, probably more like 3 years to come out with a more optimized HDR version. I think they deliberately make sub-optimal versions of movies in the beginning so that people repurchase the same movie over and over. And after it is optimized, they change the format entirely. There is no excuse for having a noticeable color shift in a digital version of a movie. They are laughing all the way to the bank.
Ohhh yeah another 4k that I need. Thanks jeff....
Has it/will it release in the uk?
I wonder when Best Buy will begin shipping these. The release date is coming up.
sure does! just got my email saying its shipped and arriving tuesday
@@bsmolina92 same! I got it an hour ago.
Will wait for the three movies
Just... How do you time colors? 😃
Yeah I have a VFX degree and was thinking the same thing lol 🤭
Still awaiting the UK release!
I’m waiting for a 4 k version of the searchers
Killer western!
I live in the UK and it won't let me order it from the Kino Lorber website
Sounds an OK transfer, I’d have liked a 4K disc of the same quality as the likes of Lawrence Of Arabia and Spartacus though for this classic.
Looking forward to picking this up. I've never owned this movie at all.
No HDR is better than bad HDR. I sit 7.5’ from a 10’ wide scope screen so the added detail makes it worth the cost for me. Improved color is icing on the cake.
It was for the benefit of the picture not using HDR, there's a couple of reviews talking about this decision was the best from Kino, the negative/scan was not the best to use HDR on it. Contrast wouldn't have benefited as it would with other movies/scans
I don't if you can answer this but I have a 2009 blu-ray copy Good, Bad, and Ugly. Do you know how the 4k version stands up against the 2009 version?
I would like to tell you the 2009 is good enough because I also have it, but of course the UHD is superior in almost every way possible picture and audio wise. It's the best this movie has ever looked only beneath well preserved 35MM prints in a movie theatre
@@andresvergara3095 Thank you, this movie is up in my top three westerns. The other two are Clint Eastwood, "High Plains Drifter", and "The Outlaw Josey Wales." I hope they come out on 4k also, and I will get the Good, Bad, and Ugly on 4k. If I can find one, everyone right now is sold out.
Any chance on Fistful and More getting a 4K release to complete the dollars trilogy?
i doubt that.. a fistful cost only 15 000 to make
it would cost about 6 times more than the movie
itself, but we can always hope
If this sell Well... maybe. If this sell badly... not likely!
They will release them one by one. If previous sell Well enough. They make the next. If not. This will end here.
If all three will be released, there is bigger chance of the box set release eventually. They just have to add one extra blue ray with some features that you can not get from the individualistit disks and you can sell the whole set again to some biggest collectors! Profit ;)
I didn’t think it was much of an upgrade over any of the Blu Rays I have. If the colour bugs me I’ll adjust my tv. It wasn’t like..oh, it’s sharper or has deeper colours.
Does someone know if that gets a release in germany?
Honest question, and I don't want this to be read as snarky, but when you say the colours are "corrected but it still has moments and it's not perfect," what are you basing that off? Personal taste, reference material?
Hannibal was Kino Lorbers' first 4k release, second, was Mad Max. Then most recently Spaceballs now, The Good the Bad and the Ugly.
Does the 4K have the extended cut?
No. It's the U.S. theatrical cut recreation, or as close to it as can be done.
Wish I could get this. I preordered it on Best Buy and it sold out before my order could ship smh 🤦♂️
Just bought this, hope it's a good transfer. Seriously one of the best movies of all time. I have The Man With No Name trilogy on bluray but recently got a Bravia 4k OLED. Trying to think of must own movies and this one came to mind.
There's one thing that would make it better...run it through a software program that makes it 60FPS!!
Tell me when you do it.
Is this the theatrical version or the extended cuts?
Theatrical only
Why have they changed the gun sounds compared to the old version that I have seen on VHS? It doesn´t sound real for me. I have the 2009 version on Blu-ray.
The effects on this particular new release are original, the 2009 Blu-ray has the changed sound effects.
Blonde!!!!! You know what you are. I am Lincoln's grandfather. Two great quotes. Great review .4k where eagles dare! The
I hope they make a HDR version and put out 'The Man with No Name' trilogy 4k set. I'm not going to pick this one up and would rather wait.
I certainly don’t Mind the extended nature of the 2009 blu ray and found its colour to be better than the 2014 or 2017. I wonder if this new 4k is similar in colour to the 2009 blu ray.
This is a must by for me.
It is similar to the 2009 yea
My understanding was that the yellow tinge was part og Sergio Leones vision? He says so in the blu ray package and that’s why I bought it.
I was hoping for a better review..but it what it is..compared to my old DVD..never owned the blue ray version...but still better nothing?.. Thanks J.
I've got the man with no name trilogy blu ray it's good enough for me and you do realize the yellow looking tgtbatu blu ray from the above mentioned set was done that way on purpose Sergio Leon's personal notes state that it's the way he always wanted the film to look
Love me some spagetti westerns! I want a full set of 4K pls lol and for that matter John Wayne and others. Checked and KL has "Sergio Leone Westerns" which has the trilogy plus first two Once Upon a Time movies..I wonder if they're going to do this in 4K eventually?
I’d love to see this get a European release. As of now, buying this is out of the picture because of customs and VAT.
As someone in the UK, it's disappointing that this hasn't gotten a UK release in 4K. Would have considered importing if it had HDR but to not put that on there when it's one of the main selling points of 4K is unforgiveable. Thanks for the review, Jeff!
I ordered mine from the UK. Not debatable.
Will this work on an Xbox one s? Amazon is saying it may not work in the UK
@@JoeLouis628 I do believe that from what I’ve read on Amazon Reviews that the 4K UHD disc will work on UK players but not the blu-ray
@@thomasevans5396 I had it shipped in January. Works on my Xbox just fine!
@@JoeLouis628 Ok cheers I’m also planning on buying a copy. Good to know it’ll work for me too
It says #1 Best seller on amazon
Good. Hopefully that means this will sell enough to get the other 2 films on 4K.