Very few bosses are going to say to themselves: "you haven't asked and you seem happy but I'm going to just suddenly take money out of my pocket and give it to you." You have to ask. And push
Some shame has to go to the employee. The boss could have been struggling, not be aware of his employees market value. Especially if an employee is perfectly happy. Unfortunately if someone has low confidence and belief in themselves then bosses can take advantage. This is especially true when the employee cannot communicate effectively, this lady had the perfect opportunity to tell him her market value of $35 per hour and explain why. She didn’t, she copped out. A lot of bosses try it on, and pay what they can get away with or what they think is fair. He may not have known what she could have got paid. Maybe he did know and wanted her to leave and not pay redundancy, maybe he thought she was trying it on for $2 an hour and she’d be happy with her money because she loved the job? She should have been honest, therefore they’re both to blame.
Honestly, I wouldn't expect even a good boss to bring it up themself. If he thinks you're happy with your job/salary and he can keep you on with that salary, why wouldn't he? Ofcourse a good boss would give in to a payrise right away. He'd probably praise you and tell you they value you and are willing to come up to x-amount. Still, you'd have to bring it up yourself.
Sounds like another case of high agreeableness, they tend to not wanting to "disturb the waters" with their own greedy and selfish ambitions, might cause a disagreement you know!
there are exceptions to the rule ... I work at a company almost 7 years now. When the company didn't have a lot of money, I got a minimal pay increase. But when the company had a few good years, I'd get nearly 12% increase in my pay, and I didn't even ask for it. There was even a year i got 2 pay raises in one year, because I managed to secure a client in a very short time.
I worked for a company that didn't give any raises ever to the majority of their employees until they were forced to when minimum wage went up. This woman was making more than I was making with six years of college. They are in the process of going under. I was downsized, and it ended up being the best thing ever. Terrifying, yes. Better NOW, YES!
What she said at the end is how I got a raise at my current job. I live in San Diego, and after a year of working at $18 an hour, they gave me a $2 raise after a year. I told them that while I like the job and was willing to work for a lower pay initially, I couldn't afford to live at that wage, and that I would be reluctantly looking for a new job if I didn't get at least $30 an hour. I got bumped to $30 an hour and I'm the director of multimedia now.
I has a discussion with coworkers over raises. We hadn't seen a bump in 5 years. We were always blown off by the owner, 'checking with the accountant'. I stated the only raise is expected at a new job.
My husband's employer never gave raises. He was with them 10 years and when he asked for raises they said if you get the raise you will have to do an unreasonable bunch of work. They laid him off in February when he turned 62. He has been able to find a new job that will pay $100,000. US more a year. He was grossly underpaid. They thought he would just retire.
A lot of scummy employers abuse the fact that people either lack the experience to realize they're being taken for granted or won't do the uncomfortable thing of moving jobs or location to get more. You currently need a 2 % raise or something in that ballpark just to avoid losing money to inflation. 10 years of no raise means an effective pay cut of 20 %, if not more, not taking actual raises or promotions you could've gotten elsewhere into account. They robbed him. For comparison: average inflation in the USA over the last decade was 2.6 %. That's 26 % effective pay cut for the last year if he really never got a raise.
If a boss thinks you should be grateful for minimum wage you should be allowed to ask them if they would be grateful for minimum effort from the staff.
And the drama that comes with quitting, starting at a new place, socializing, figuring out the ropes, etc. It's not a walk in the park fam. Being told no and going elsewhere is a journey.
@@Undomaranel it absolutely is a hell of a journey. Better than getting kicked out of your taxes yet and rent or get food or gas or do you know any of those little stupid things that we all have to have. Quit find another job before you do so because of them.
@@melissacoelho8413 Did I say to not go on the journey??? All I pointed out was it not a cakewalk like OP worded it to be, and here you are talking like I'm trying to hold people hostage in a lose-lose job! I used the word journey for a reason, because it only happens if you embark on it. But sure, make me the bad guy so you have someone to stand on top of, not the first time and won't be the last.
The fact that women are ashamed to ask for a salary increase is also a big reason for the wage gap. We have to learn to value ourselves more and grow some "balls" when it comes to salary negotiations
It's not just women who are like that, there are many men who also think in this way - but it's absolutely true in my experience that men are more often the one's asking and pushing for higher salary, this is especially true once they have kids. Here's a few valuable things I learned once I once I was on the other side of the table that were a serious eye-opener for me: - In an interview process It is much easier to get a higher salary than it is once you're already in a company. Do not do what this lady did and think you're being "greedy" go in above what you want and negotiate down, if they accept straight away without negotiation you've undervalued yourself. If they say we couldn't get close to that then you know where you stand and you can always find where their top end is. if they're worth working for they'll be okay with you advocating for yourself. - I can't stress this one enough. Unless you ask for a pay rise, management will assume everything is okay. This is often how people end up on salaries for years on end. In this video they're blaming the surgeon for the fact she hasn't had a pay review in 5 years but she's at least as responsible for this as he is. Nobody is thinking about your compensation until there's a reason to. - Whenever you're talking salary increases make sure you have your justification for it, you need to make it clear why you think its warranted, inflation, responsibilities, industry benchmarks, personal circumstances whatever - make a case for it not just a demand. Be grateful and appreciative but assertive about what you need. You also need to be ready to leave if necessary in some workplaces they'll only act once they know they're about to have a major issue when the employee leaves (These tend to be the worse workplaces anyways) and the good news is you're much more likely to get the salary you want entering a new company. - Nobody thinks about what your salary is day-to-day - these can be incredibly uncomfortable conversations but they are short-lived and nobody cares afterwards. Rehearse what you're going to say, be direct and do not ramble - be ready for the "What do you want", "Why do you want it" and handling objections like "The budget is tight and.." have your answers ready - "I understand that John, but as I say... (Your justifications)". Oh and don't let them pull the silence trick on you - there's a lot people who'll take advantage of any awkwardness, you sit in that silence and cash in. - Lastly, be as objective as possible and try not to make decisions emotionally, this is not personal, you won't offend anyone if your direct and straight to the point. Term's like "greed" and "gratitude" have no place in this conversation. Businesses do not think twice when laying off half the company, it's a business and you're the only one who will fight for you.
This is what I am teaching my daughter from a young age. To be honest I am not the best at doing this myself but I be damned that my daughter feels the same.
@DW11111 seriously? Really? Here’s a few home truths if you wanted to actually find out the truth….. Or not what you wanted given your disappointing thoughts with nothing to back them up….. “Women earn 16% less than men on average. Women earn just 84 cents for every dollar a man makes. Women of color are among the lowest-paid workers in rural areas, with rural Black and Hispanic women making just 56 cents for every dollar that rural white, non-Hispanic men make.Mar 1, 2024” Next bright guy… 🤦🏻♀️ At least have your facts and your hypothesis backed up by facts. 🤦🏻♀️ Jesus this is disappointing and pathetic.
That happened at my hospital. I was a patient care tech in an ER for years. A tech is the same thing as an aide except with more responsibilities. I worked every code, EKGs, etc. etc. Covid hit, and I was still there for the first year-and-a-half of Covid, reusing PPE and whatnot... (Many people quit during the early days of Covid.) By the time I left, I was making $13.10 / hour. We had a meeting and I begged (almost literally) for a pay raise. The cost of living was skyrocketing and I wasn't making ends meet. They said they couldn't afford it. I pointed out that (literally) Burger King was (at the time) hiring starting at $16/hr. They still refused. MANY staff left. I got a new job with less responsibilities making $23/hr.. They finally gave the PCTs a raise to $16 - $18 / hour, but the whole tone of the place changed. I was there with a family member, and saw the PCTs sitting around doing very little. No patient transport, no EKGs, no blood draws, etc. Many of them were doing the bare minimum, whereas I always went above and beyond. (That's not a pat on the back for myself.. that's just the truth.) A couple years later, I saw my ex-assistant manager at the place I currently work, and she told me flat out that PCTs aren't doing anything anymore, nor are they made to do anything, and that when I was there, (in her words) "At least the patients were taken care of and the job got done.." OH. And the upper-echelons of management at the hospital all got their bonuses and the CEO is still paid a ridiculous salary for what he does (or rather doesn't) do. Meanwhile they can't keep staff, and the staff they DO have isn't loyal whatsoever anymore. It used to be a wonderful place to work, and I'm told by my old friends that it's turned into a (mostly) horrible place to work with little to keep their spirits up. Clearly my measly request to make at least as much as a BK worker was too much, and my honest belief of doing my absolute best meant nothing to them.
I worked as admin assistant to two directors of small company after 4 years with them I asked for salary review. During that review 1 director pulled out job adverts for sedretaries/PA to directors as comparison $50,000+ annum and other showed Receptionist jobs at about $25,000. (Current was $28000) I was appreciative that Barbara saw my worth, but gutted that Allan, for whom I worked with most, valued me so little. I resigned. They were generous with bonus’ and taught me a great deal, but it came time to move on.
I'm so glad I worked in the Nhs, our contracts have a yearly raise inbuilt, plus whatever is negotiated as a pure rise by the unions. This stuff that goes on in the public sector drives me nuts!
I should add that she ceded all the power in that relationship to HIM, and she totally discounted her own power. That dynamic needs to change or she will never overcome that insecurity about her real worth
I still remember when I was in my first job, I was working as a senior in an IT company and after more than two years, I went to ask about pay raise, because I did not get one in the whole time I was working for them. They told me, that they did not increase my pay because I did not ask...
Wouldn’t be surprised if they tell the employees not to discuss wages with each other as well, because that boss is paying his favourites (or nepo babies) more than the min wage employees. That sheet happened to me, but instead of being the workhorse of the company (I was responsible for 25% of company monthly revenue) I acted my wage and drastically cut the output, plus whistleblowing illegal practices to the relevant bodies. They are still hurting to this day 😂, and min wage is going up again next month by 10% in the UK so they’ll be hurting even more, I wouldn’t be surprised if they sell the company or shut down soon.
A good thing to take from this is, never underestimate yourself. Do NOT think you are being greedy to ask for what you deserve. Badly run businesses will always take advantage of you, end of story.
I make sure my starting wage is enough over what I currently make to hold me for 3 years. If I haven't gotten a raise in 3 years, I start looking. Once I have good replacement jobs lined up, I ask for a raise. If it doesn't happen, I accept another job and move on.
Currently in a similar situation. I’ve been in my current role for 1 yr 2 months. I realized I had to jump when I was 10 months in and I was the one brining up performance reviews, salary increases, promotion process. All I got was shock (as in why are you bringing it up) and vagueness, vagueness about my bonus, and vagueness on how to get a promotion. Two things I was guaranteed in January 2024 when I brought it up for the last time: no promotions on my first year (nobody ever gets promoted their first year) and salary increases are a one way conversation, and I’d be lucky to get 3% increase. I just had my salary review, it was 3 minute phone call. I didn’t ask any questions. I just said thanks, and pretended everything was fine. I’ve been looking for a new job for 3 weeks lol. Wish me luck!
I’ve had 3 major jobs in my history and all had widely different management. My first main job was with a supermarket in the U.K. who clearly had a large turnover in staff and it wasn’t till I had a medical issue that things went bad. Staff decided to drive to AE but parked outside the hospital and made me walk to AE entrance with pains in my abdomen and walking folded in half. Just so they didn’t have to pay for parking and I was just dropped off and left. The next was an energy company who valued staff, mainly due to the training needed. They had investment in you and the longer you were there, they saved money. It was a very stressful role but in their defence they worked hard to support. Although when I was made redundant and decided to get a degree. My latest role is majorly different. My manager values my role. I get flexibility, loyalty and always enjoy my job. People should understand their worth and know their rights but never become a “Karen” about it. You catch more flies with honey and I live by that.
Sounds just like the doctor I worked for. Paid 20c an hour above minimum wage and thought that was more than enough. Would often forget to pay me and when I reminded him he threatened to pay me 6 monthly!
I was confused for a second when he asked "are you still there" and she replied with "No I've left now" My brain was like ?? your still talking so your still there! xD
I took medical office administration in college. My first job after graduation was in a doctor's office. My resume was clear what I took and my skills. I was hired to cover the receptionist who was going on maternity leave... .or so I thought. Turns out the doctor hired someone else for that position and I was hired to be the "nurse." I had to bring patients to the rooms, take notes on why they came in, weighed them, and if they were required to pee in a container I would provide that and then take it and put in some paper stick thing for a test (I honestly forget what the test strip was for, it was so long ago). I then was told that I would be cleaning out patients ears from wax build up. Um what?? I was hired to fill in for the receptionist not a nurse! I felt so under qualified and had absolutely no interest in doing any of this that I quit. I was barely making minimum wage at the time. Honestly, what was the doctor thinking? Someone trained to run an office cannot and should not perform such tasks! I even had to wear scrubs! Looking back on it now, the doctor was too cheap to hire an actual nurse.
I'd struggle to ask for a pay review, too. Being a bit of a goody two-shoes, and having been conditioned to not rock the boat, even as a generally confident guy, it's hard.
Where I work it use to be policy that to get a payrise you had to write a payrise application to directors basically stating why you deserve a pay increase and if you asked for too much they would reject it for that reason even if they knew you deserved something just not the same amount you were asking. I.e you asked for £3k raise but they thought you only deserved £2k you got nothing
In my over twenty years of working (in Canada), I've seen that most companies have: no cost of living adjustments, no pension plans, no real differentiation in benefits packages, the minimum 10 days of federally-mandated vacation, and would prefer to give (or choose not to give) people discretionary bonuses while never raising their base salary.
Former job i worked, i only got three raises that were not part of minimum wage going up. Each came about from me talking about getting another job to cover expenses, and each was only a nickle. I was a shift manager at a fast food franchise. At one point i found out there were a couple of new employees hired at $3/hr more than i was making. I was the lowest paid manager there (i was also the only straight white man as a manager) and i got no extra for working graveyard, i tried to get a raise and was told that the store manager and franchise owner would discuss it if i brought down speed of service times, meanwhile i was routinely scheduled with three people including myself to do the work where we needed the minimum of five people (store manager liked to brag he could do it on morning shift with three people but did half the business of the graveyard shift being across the street from a college campus and one of two places open when the bars closed). No surprise im not there anymore.
No one will value you if you don't value yourself. A deep ingrained insecurity underlies her decision making. I don't know how one overcomes that predominance of self doubt. She needs counselling, like you gave her Ben.... great advice
i dont think its self doubt. getting fired or repositioned somewhere else for asking for a raise or even pay review is a lot more common. its just fear of losing a good job.
I had a similar thing happen. I was on a rate and wanted a promotion (with more cash of course) so I took on additional responsibilities and made myself more useful etc… then when I asked for more because I was working to a higher grade…my boss’s reply was “you are already doing more work on the pay you currently have, why should I pay more?” I don’t work there anymore.
I work for a company for 20+ years and have never had a pay review (with management) or performance review!!! Pay rises have only come when I have asked for more money.
I’m a union worker so we get what ever raises have been bargained for. I’ve worked at the same place for nearly 42 years and have had only one performance review!😂
You are worth what the market will handle and he clearly undervalued you and had no respect for you. He'll now have to spend all the time and money getting a new secretary hired and trained and have to pay her/him their worth. He screwed himself...badly. You did absolutely do the right thing by leaving.
Was recommended your channel today and have no idea what your channel is about other than business related. Do you give advice to people who are looking for work or have had bad experiences in the work environment? If so I have a unique situation which there isn't much advice on how to deal with when it happens in the work place.
In the early 2000's I worked for a similar boss. His attitude was "you knew what the salary was when you joined". If you want a rise then you have to put together a business case that wll demonstrate how the increase will be paid for and add value to the business. He could not understand why in one year alone he had a 300% turn over in staff.
god i can empathise so much with this woman. i had a very similar experience in a very different field (an opera-as-in-the-music-and-not-the-web-browser-related tech startup, a phrase which i imagine i am the first and only person ever to type) where i got what was basically The Ideal Job (on the face of it) about three months after i had been let go from a not right for me but "meh" job. i actually worked there for about two years even though they literally Never paid me enough, which, very much my mistake after the point at which i could go and find something better because i was marginally less financially unstable. then the first similar-ish job that i interviewed for after losing the opera-related job (because -- and get this -- they had to pay me TOO MUCH! that's right: they could outsource the already underpaid and overworked workers to pay them even less) pays 10k-ish more than the job that apparently Couldn't Afford to pay me any more. this was not the only bullshit in this job but it is a deeply indicative sample.
In my field, employers will do market adjustments in response to recruiting and retention difficulties. Over the years my market adjustments have been 10 times as much as the maximum possible raise. I shake my head at that! If you gave reasonable raises based on merit, market adjustments might not be needed!
I hate this so much... they say they can't give you pay rise, but when you leave they pay another person the salary you asked and then also have train them for months! Also poor girl, women really are on the back foot on this, at least some of the pay gap is explained by just more constructive negotiations on male side. He is totally abusing her and she feels "uncomfortable to be greedy"... MY GOD! Obviously, my situation was much difference and never been in such a bad place, but at one point in my career my company stopped giving me pay rises to the point where I had to leave, but they were fine to pay much more for my replacement. Somehow every year before that for like 5 years they were giving my pay rise in-line with expectations, maybe the salary was lower than the market, but every year it was raised by £5,000, £8,000, £4,000 extra and it felt like I am either closing the gap or at least getting reasonable pay rises in line with may increasing experience (this being first job after graduation). And also they would give Bonus on top of that, so it would be ~£12,000-15,000 a year. Then on 6th year in the company I just got the bonus... £12,000... and I asked about it - "I much appreciate the bonus, but bonus is kind of nice if you get it, but can't count on it... wouldn't it be better to split it like in the years before?"... and my manager was like... "sorry, you reached your bracket and we can't raise it, so we doing best we can to sort of give you fair deal, but we can't raise the salary" (by the way this is confirmed true fact, HR was not letting him go past "bracket"). And at this point I am MINIMUM £10,000 underpaid considering market rate. So next year I was very clear about it and we worked together on my objectives, to make sure I exceed them (and I always exceeded them) and working towards promotion so that I get out of that bracket. Next year comes, no promotion, hire freeze, BS, can't do it, again he scrapped the bottom and it is only £12,000 bonus, no pay rise. Market went up significantly, basically I am getting job offers daily with £20,000 more per year and HR and senior managers just wouldn't budge - no promotion, no pay rise. The kicker - there is shortage of workers and they keep hiring consultants for £650/day (which works out at annual rate of £140,000), but they would not pay me more than £55,000 no matter what, despite 8 years in a row exceeding expectations. Left the company 4 months later for £92,000... and obviously they hired contractor to replace me for £650/day. Where is the logic in that? The only funny thing was that when I said I was leaving, the other company actually offered me £86,000 at first, it was Friday and my manager asked me to wait until Monday before formally putting the notice in, just in case they would try to match it or counter offer it (which was just ridiculous really as there was no way, but obviously my manager wanted me to stay and maybe though he could use the offer I got as leverage or something). Anyhow, I went back to the agent and said, "could we wait until Monday as my company considering the counter-offer". And the agent called me Monday 7AM to say that new company upped the offer to £89,000 +£3,000 travel allowance, so basically they increased my salary over the weekend by more than I got in pay rises over last 2.5 years!... and obviously on Monday my manager said "no go, they may be able to do £65,000" and I said "appreciate you tried, but just to let you know you not even matching £86,000, now it is £92,000".
Morale of the story is know your worth, rely on yourself to get your worth and you only get what you accept in life. If you accept being undervalued, you got it. The moment you decide to not accept it and get what you’re worth, the reality changes immediately. Congratulations on the new job and salary increases.
@@jonb4248 Thanks! Also - that indeed companies rather lose employee and rehire at more than previous employee was asking rather than simply increasing the pay to competitive rate. Even good and well performing companies does that (I guess in my case because of too rigid HR rules), so obviously small business and worse companies will do that even more.
I don't know about the UK but surgeons in the US are the most miserly people on the planet. I was not surprised at all that his response was why should I pay you more. I am sure the first thing he said when the new person interview and gave their salary requirements was "well Ashley did the job for X amount."
I think the problem is when you enjoy a job, you're so worried about losing it. So you don't want to rock the boat and ask for a pay review. But at the end of the day you are an employee, you are replaceable, and you should be getting paid enough! Added to that is all the tactics used like 'we're a team' 'we're a family' and added benefits like meals provided etc, and you're unlikely to leave. I'm working my notice right now after leaving a job I've been in for nearly 6 years, and the fear of the unknown is what has stopped me. But I am excited for my new role and they are paying me much more fairly!
I can count on one hand the number of pay reviews/ performance reviews I had during my last job. The only time I got a raise is when the minimum wage increased. Glad I’m done with that place.
At one of the places I’ve worked at, seriously bad personnel turnover, a new chap arrived and asked us if we got a pay review after a year, my response was, “well let you know when someone’s been here that long “ 😏
I worked for a Franchise Owner and he refused to give a payrise for 12 years. I did go from a 45 hr week to a 40 hr week 'as a pay rise once' and only because my very young Assistant Manager complained to the actuall Company's Head Office and they contacted the Franchise owner and embarrased him by asking him why his employee was complaining to them about not getting payrises at all.
My job keeps scheduling training on my days off and they always tell us "you'll get paid". Yes.. well, that's the law, not a favor. I got tired of it and unless it's a license requirement, I dont go anymore.
This reminds me when I was working at a major multinational food company, one if the largest in the world, doing Telecommunications IT, but they classified me as a facilities clerk and when I found out that people doing less work in IT and only covering a single site were makes $12 more an hour starting out VS me covering both of the American continents and working in Spanish, English, French, and Russian and the Apple computer functional expert if IT needed support, as well as corporate buying on top of IT tier 1 to 3 support for IOS, android, and windows mobile. I didn't realize that 15 an hour wasn't good at the time because it was the highest I'd ever been paidAnd not only was I doing IT stuff but since I was classified as a facilities person I also had to go do facility stuff like unclog a toilet.
When I was a lot younger i said to my boss, "I can't afford to live on what you're paying me. If you don't give me a pay rise I will have to leave". I got the pay rise. A few years later our main customer, knowing that I knew their equipment inside out, offered me a much better job including a company car and a much better salary which I took.
When you are young and first hired you are not worth as much as you are paid because you do not know what you are doing, after a while your value will increase to the point you are worth more than what you are paid because you are now skilled. After about six months you value to the company drops down to what you are getting paid because they know you are will to work for what they are paying you. The Key is to ask for a pay review once you have become able to do the Job you were hired for. (Not the one they got you doing). If you can not get a reasonable pay raise it is time to start looking for another Job. Rest assured you will get a significant pay bump because you will be payed what your skill are worth, The Job you left will have to pay a fare rate to replace you and the place you are going to will have to pay what you are worth because they just lost someone else because they did not pay what they are worth. Your loyalty is to your family and your bank account.
15 years at a well known pizza chain at half of minimum raise+tips and not a single evaluation and only two minor raises after I pushed for them. Both of which minimum raise caught up to.
She seems to care alot that this boss personally saw her as valuable. Like it surprised her and hurt her that he didn't care about her or value her... that is just how it is for the overwhelming majority of employers. They're not out there trying to make sure everyone gets paid what they're worth based on value provided, their goal is to get as much out of you as possible for as little as possible. It's business and trying to make personal will hurt you and they'll never care. Assert your worth. Ask what what is reasonable for the value you provide, and if they are unwilling to compensate you for that, move along and don't waste your energy on trying to make them value you.
My boss while working at Wal-Mart said I should be thankful for getting 8 hours over 3 weeks (Minimum in Canada for a part time worker is like 18h/w). In the words of the great James E. Cornette "Thank You, F You, Bye". Course I couldn't say that, as I was still paying bills. I looked for other work, couldn't find it at the time.
When you have to ask for a pay review, be ready for any outcome. From that point of view, ask for what you think you’re worth but do sharpen up your CV too, may need a new job asap. It’ll just be awkward for an awful long time if not.
Sounds like my boss, I’ve been there 3 years, never had a pay review, recently found out that we were also not paid holiday pay we were entitled to, when I bought it up I was told “be grateful we didn’t reduce your pay last year when your round was reduced”, I was like but I already barely earn minimum wage and you’re threatening to reduce that even more? was told to suck it up or find another job cos I wasn’t getting a raise or the holiday I was entitled to. Presently in the process of taking them to a tribunal. I love the job, but I genuinely hate the employer and have had no issues recently telling anybody who will listen how poorly they treat their employees.
The standard response in the US is that raises were not part of the budget and the company is struggling. I do my job well and I have been promised a raise for years, but there never seems to be a "budget" for raises or promotions. I have had it and I will be quitting in exactly 1 year, 3 months, 22 days, 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 20 seconds. I will be simply putting my laptop on my boss' desk with a signed letter that says nothing more than "I quit, effective this very second because I have not budgeted any additional time in my life for an employer that does not seem to value me enough to provide a pay raise or a promotion opportunity."
It happens to men less because from my experience men just do this: 1. Get fed up with a job 2. Get a job offer with what they want 3.1 Leave 3.2 Negotiate a new salary and Leave if it doesn't go their way I've only done this once, but the pay there was so minimal that it was silly even thinking about it - i switched from accounting to software development, and accounting is suuuuper underpaid in my country. Coming out of university with a bachelors and masters in accounting, and having prior education in accounting in one of the best specialized schools in the country earned me a 200 euro starting salary, which in almost 2 years rose to 400. When i said i was leaving, they said they would increase it to 500. At that moment, I had been teaching myself how to code for 2 months and found a junior job for twice the salary.
At my employer, things have gotten so bad that: a) the employees unionized and then went on strike to protest wages. b) the employer is losing younger workers faster than they can be replaced. The union is in the process of negotiating a new CBA. There may be industrial action by summer. In case you're wondering why I don't leave, I'm less than two years away from able to resign whilst gaining free university tuition for my children. Its a age and seniority based formula. I need to give them the ability to graduate university debt free.
Pay reviews are not mandatory in many industries unless you are in a union. If the company does not give you a pay review in 18 months when you first started then you should start looking for a job elsewhere. Only when you give them your resignation is when the boss will “start” to talk about your pay or even worse guilt trip you to be thankful for this job. Just suck it up and go for more money. Owning a house is extremely difficult on low pay with high interest rates and costs of living going up each year.
Because I’m a woman I feel comfortable saying this boss is clearly taking advantage of her and knew she was too nice to go hard because she’s a woman and didn’t want to seem unlady like. He KNOWS that about her. Women don’t negotiate properly because we feel it’s mean or we somehow don’t deserve it. I broke that habit long ago. When I get a pay band to negotiate, I start at that top number and make them have to talk me down. That’s negotiation. Having second thoughts?… fine. Then ask yourself, “what would a man do!?”
She's a boss's dream she works as well as two people and undervalues herself for less than the value of one why on Earth would he ever give her a raise
Remember, most companies' positions are that employees, even the most critical ones, are fungible. Treating employees horribly is their way of proving their point. Either the employee will quit, be made redundant, will "Kirk Out" leading to termination without severance or will remain at a hopefully lower compensation package. Whether legal or not, most firms will collude in ensuring that employees are crapped on across the board. If you don't know what Kirking out means, it's DC slang and described in the Urban Dictionary. It's kind of like "going postal."
When going for a pay rise always ask for about 10% more than you really expect to get. When asked why you are asking for that much, answer by saying that you are worth that much. If your boss refuses to grant you any pay rise then you are probably not worth as much as you thought you were.
Unfortunately this is very common for women in Australia. I only say this because I’ve only had experience in Australia, it may very well be true for other countries too. I’ve worked in HR and consistently saw women grossly underpaid in comparison to their male counterparts. Furthermore they are afraid to ask for more and when they do they’re belittled into accepting either what they already get, or very little more. Australian female employees need to get tougher. My recommendations are: Be very well prepared for pay and performance reviews. Research the rates being paid in your area for similar positions as well as the awards. Note your responsibilities and where these may exceed the average expectation for your position. Highlight your achievements and, where possible put a dollar value to it. Give percentages to exceeded KPI’s. Keep emotions out of it, it’s extremely hard for an employer to argue with numbers delivered with pure professionalism. GO GET IT LADIES!!
I am the biggest fool in the world when it comes to work but even when I got my first job at 7-11. I sat down with my boss after six months and said I am a going to ask you for a raise in six more months. If you think I've earned it great, if not please tell me at what level I need to be at to get it. What else can I do right? What have I been doing wrong, or not up to the company's standards? If I meet the standards they set and I don't get the raise I feel is appropriate, I walk. But if I genuinely struggle to do so, or fail for some reason I stay until I get it right. Jobs can be wonderful but in the end you are there to get money to pay for the things you need to survive, and in very few exceptions, the person hiring you is there to get you to do a job and give you as little as possible and pocket the rest.
This is why to start at - or better - than market rate from the start. If you go in at a low rate, every pay raise will be based on that beginning rate - even if you change roles with a higher starting rate for newcomers.
From my experience in the US, pay reviews are nonexistent. If you’re fortunate enough to work for a company, that’s making a good profit, mine is a not for profit, and we’ve been in a budget crisis for about 10 years, we used to get maybe 2%. In fact, my very first raise was $.22 an hour back in 2010. So bosses have to get inventive and think of ways to promote people so that they can get a dollar or two increase. Their newest trick is giving a bonus at the end of the year Which is the equivalent of one percent raise retroactive for the fiscal year
I still get very shocked by these stories, and grateful as i have never been in this situation. I have had to push for payrises sometimes but i have always had one. Never had someone try to screw me over...
Where I work they do pay reviews each year. The budget that the team mgt gets for putting to the pay rises is never enough to give everyone a pay increase equal to CPI inflation. For the last 4 years I've never had a pay rise equal to or better than CPI inflation. In fact the last two were about 1/4 of CPI. They keep talking about how much they value the efforts that everyone puts in, but they don't walk the talk and maintain the value of our remuneration. Now they're talking about automating as much as possible.
Old trick always ask for double what you want. They'll halve it and think they're great negotiators and you'll get what you want. If the don't pay go work for someone else.
You made the right decision to leave. If you would have stayed you would have resented your employer and your decision. The first move is always the hardest. Now, you can look for a better cultural fit. You know you can do the work, you know you’re worth it, now you just have to find the right environment. You’ve got this kid.
Should have said $40 it’s expensive to live in this country food expenses ect are out of control, decent employees are hard to come by you need to look after them.
You don’t sound competent when you know your base pay BASE pay is $32-$35 then ask for $27. Ridiculous! Timid and weak, sorry, how can you work for 5 years and have no self confidence in your position.
You haven't walked in her shoes. If you have a job you love and find out you're under paid and that is the only problem with the job it's very hard to give that up, especially when a lot of jobs are so crappy. Don't be so critical of others until you've walked a mile in their shoes. Would you take a job you love for $25 an hour or a job you despise for $30 an hour? She did leave so that's good, but don't be critical of her because she's not sure she did the right thing. It's really hard to leave a place when your only complaint is that you're underpaid.
So based on 3% yearly increase in earnings for adjustment from inflation, and a 10% promotion from junior to independent worker her position would be worth roughly 32. If the employer didn't offer very much benefits I could see higher wage increases being more reasonable (closer to the 35 range she was talking about). If she had more research prepared for him showing increased cost of living, new cost for junior positions, and show that you have already received an offer I could see him upping her up to 32 because he won't be able to get anyone as qualified as her for less, and he would need to face disruptions to work and pay recruiters to fill the position. If this was happening during covid you could even show him gov benefits for unemployment and show that you didn't even need to be employed to meet a similar quality of life. If you think about lack of back and that the next pay review could be in another 5 years then asking for 38 would be acceptable.
Worked at a place where at my annual review, I was required to fill out a form "what are your strengths, what were your achievements this year" And also "What are your weaknesses, what could you have done better". Yes, you had to give them ammunition NOT to give you a pay raise. If you left it blank, he'd say something like "Oh, so you think you're perfect, well, that's a mark against you". I did have rises, but when you did the math, they were below inflation. We were still expected to be grateful.
Having to ask for a pay review after 5 years is absolutely bonkers! Shame on this boss
Very few bosses are going to say to themselves: "you haven't asked and you seem happy but I'm going to just suddenly take money out of my pocket and give it to you."
You have to ask. And push
Some shame has to go to the employee. The boss could have been struggling, not be aware of his employees market value. Especially if an employee is perfectly happy. Unfortunately if someone has low confidence and belief in themselves then bosses can take advantage. This is especially true when the employee cannot communicate effectively, this lady had the perfect opportunity to tell him her market value of $35 per hour and explain why. She didn’t, she copped out. A lot of bosses try it on, and pay what they can get away with or what they think is fair. He may not have known what she could have got paid. Maybe he did know and wanted her to leave and not pay redundancy, maybe he thought she was trying it on for $2 an hour and she’d be happy with her money because she loved the job? She should have been honest, therefore they’re both to blame.
Honestly, I wouldn't expect even a good boss to bring it up themself. If he thinks you're happy with your job/salary and he can keep you on with that salary, why wouldn't he? Ofcourse a good boss would give in to a payrise right away. He'd probably praise you and tell you they value you and are willing to come up to x-amount. Still, you'd have to bring it up yourself.
I've got a foot out the door if I've been a year without a review
Sounds like another case of high agreeableness, they tend to not wanting to "disturb the waters" with their own greedy and selfish ambitions, might cause a disagreement you know!
Every business I’ve ever worked for refuses to give decent pay rises, but are then surprised when people leave
Wait till they see how much they have to pay the replacement
DELUSIONAL!!!
there are exceptions to the rule ... I work at a company almost 7 years now. When the company didn't have a lot of money, I got a minimal pay increase. But when the company had a few good years, I'd get nearly 12% increase in my pay, and I didn't even ask for it. There was even a year i got 2 pay raises in one year, because I managed to secure a client in a very short time.
I worked for a company that didn't give any raises ever to the majority of their employees until they were forced to when minimum wage went up.
This woman was making more than I was making with six years of college.
They are in the process of going under. I was downsized, and it ended up being the best thing ever. Terrifying, yes. Better NOW, YES!
What she said at the end is how I got a raise at my current job.
I live in San Diego, and after a year of working at $18 an hour, they gave me a $2 raise after a year. I told them that while I like the job and was willing to work for a lower pay initially, I couldn't afford to live at that wage, and that I would be reluctantly looking for a new job if I didn't get at least $30 an hour.
I got bumped to $30 an hour and I'm the director of multimedia now.
Love this. Good on you.
I has a discussion with coworkers over raises. We hadn't seen a bump in 5 years. We were always blown off by the owner, 'checking with the accountant'. I stated the only raise is expected at a new job.
My husband's employer never gave raises. He was with them 10 years and when he asked for raises they said if you get the raise you will have to do an unreasonable bunch of work. They laid him off in February when he turned 62. He has been able to find a new job that will pay $100,000. US more a year. He was grossly underpaid. They thought he would just retire.
A lot of scummy employers abuse the fact that people either lack the experience to realize they're being taken for granted or won't do the uncomfortable thing of moving jobs or location to get more.
You currently need a 2 % raise or something in that ballpark just to avoid losing money to inflation. 10 years of no raise means an effective pay cut of 20 %, if not more, not taking actual raises or promotions you could've gotten elsewhere into account.
They robbed him.
For comparison: average inflation in the USA over the last decade was 2.6 %. That's 26 % effective pay cut for the last year if he really never got a raise.
They underestimate those who have the heart of a lion! Kudos!
I love how you became a therapist there at the end, she so needed that.
Yeah, if they're gonna not think you're worth it, get out.
If a boss thinks you should be grateful for minimum wage you should be allowed to ask them if they would be grateful for minimum effort from the staff.
Never be ashamed to ask for what you are worth. What’s the worst that could happen…they say no and you ask elsewhere.
And the drama that comes with quitting, starting at a new place, socializing, figuring out the ropes, etc. It's not a walk in the park fam. Being told no and going elsewhere is a journey.
@@Undomaranel it absolutely is a hell of a journey. Better than getting kicked out of your taxes yet and rent or get food or gas or do you know any of those little stupid things that we all have to have. Quit find another job before you do so because of them.
@@melissacoelho8413 Did I say to not go on the journey??? All I pointed out was it not a cakewalk like OP worded it to be, and here you are talking like I'm trying to hold people hostage in a lose-lose job! I used the word journey for a reason, because it only happens if you embark on it. But sure, make me the bad guy so you have someone to stand on top of, not the first time and won't be the last.
I really hope she finds the right job for her, she sounds like a great employee
The fact that women are ashamed to ask for a salary increase is also a big reason for the wage gap. We have to learn to value ourselves more and grow some "balls" when it comes to salary negotiations
It's not just women who are like that, there are many men who also think in this way - but it's absolutely true in my experience that men are more often the one's asking and pushing for higher salary, this is especially true once they have kids.
Here's a few valuable things I learned once I once I was on the other side of the table that were a serious eye-opener for me:
- In an interview process It is much easier to get a higher salary than it is once you're already in a company. Do not do what this lady did and think you're being "greedy" go in above what you want and negotiate down, if they accept straight away without negotiation you've undervalued yourself. If they say we couldn't get close to that then you know where you stand and you can always find where their top end is. if they're worth working for they'll be okay with you advocating for yourself.
- I can't stress this one enough. Unless you ask for a pay rise, management will assume everything is okay. This is often how people end up on salaries for years on end. In this video they're blaming the surgeon for the fact she hasn't had a pay review in 5 years but she's at least as responsible for this as he is. Nobody is thinking about your compensation until there's a reason to.
- Whenever you're talking salary increases make sure you have your justification for it, you need to make it clear why you think its warranted, inflation, responsibilities, industry benchmarks, personal circumstances whatever - make a case for it not just a demand. Be grateful and appreciative but assertive about what you need. You also need to be ready to leave if necessary in some workplaces they'll only act once they know they're about to have a major issue when the employee leaves (These tend to be the worse workplaces anyways) and the good news is you're much more likely to get the salary you want entering a new company.
- Nobody thinks about what your salary is day-to-day - these can be incredibly uncomfortable conversations but they are short-lived and nobody cares afterwards. Rehearse what you're going to say, be direct and do not ramble - be ready for the "What do you want", "Why do you want it" and handling objections like "The budget is tight and.." have your answers ready - "I understand that John, but as I say... (Your justifications)". Oh and don't let them pull the silence trick on you - there's a lot people who'll take advantage of any awkwardness, you sit in that silence and cash in.
- Lastly, be as objective as possible and try not to make decisions emotionally, this is not personal, you won't offend anyone if your direct and straight to the point. Term's like "greed" and "gratitude" have no place in this conversation. Businesses do not think twice when laying off half the company, it's a business and you're the only one who will fight for you.
absolutely agree. An old colleague told me once " Women are great at negotiating on behalf of others and men are great at negotiating for themselves"
This is what I am teaching my daughter from a young age. To be honest I am not the best at doing this myself but I be damned that my daughter feels the same.
@EikrPilt absolutely!
@DW11111 seriously? Really? Here’s a few home truths if you wanted to actually find out the truth….. Or not what you wanted given your disappointing thoughts with nothing to back them up…..
“Women earn 16% less than men on average. Women earn just 84 cents for every dollar a man makes. Women of color are among the lowest-paid workers in rural areas, with rural Black and Hispanic women making just 56 cents for every dollar that rural white, non-Hispanic men make.Mar 1, 2024”
Next bright guy… 🤦🏻♀️
At least have your facts and your hypothesis backed up by facts. 🤦🏻♀️ Jesus this is disappointing and pathetic.
Ben you were so patient with this lady, everything about ‘making a mistake and asking for less made me want to shake her’ you were very kind.
Assuming she is in Australia, $25 is awful. Australia is far too expensive to live on $25, most adults wouldn't even look at a job with that wage.
That happened at my hospital. I was a patient care tech in an ER for years. A tech is the same thing as an aide except with more responsibilities. I worked every code, EKGs, etc. etc. Covid hit, and I was still there for the first year-and-a-half of Covid, reusing PPE and whatnot... (Many people quit during the early days of Covid.) By the time I left, I was making $13.10 / hour. We had a meeting and I begged (almost literally) for a pay raise. The cost of living was skyrocketing and I wasn't making ends meet. They said they couldn't afford it. I pointed out that (literally) Burger King was (at the time) hiring starting at $16/hr. They still refused.
MANY staff left. I got a new job with less responsibilities making $23/hr.. They finally gave the PCTs a raise to $16 - $18 / hour, but the whole tone of the place changed. I was there with a family member, and saw the PCTs sitting around doing very little. No patient transport, no EKGs, no blood draws, etc. Many of them were doing the bare minimum, whereas I always went above and beyond. (That's not a pat on the back for myself.. that's just the truth.)
A couple years later, I saw my ex-assistant manager at the place I currently work, and she told me flat out that PCTs aren't doing anything anymore, nor are they made to do anything, and that when I was there, (in her words) "At least the patients were taken care of and the job got done.."
OH. And the upper-echelons of management at the hospital all got their bonuses and the CEO is still paid a ridiculous salary for what he does (or rather doesn't) do. Meanwhile they can't keep staff, and the staff they DO have isn't loyal whatsoever anymore. It used to be a wonderful place to work, and I'm told by my old friends that it's turned into a (mostly) horrible place to work with little to keep their spirits up.
Clearly my measly request to make at least as much as a BK worker was too much, and my honest belief of doing my absolute best meant nothing to them.
I worked as admin assistant to two directors of small company after 4 years with them I asked for salary review. During that review 1 director pulled out job adverts for sedretaries/PA to directors as comparison $50,000+ annum and other showed Receptionist jobs at about $25,000. (Current was $28000) I was appreciative that Barbara saw my worth, but gutted that Allan, for whom I worked with most, valued me so little. I resigned. They were generous with bonus’ and taught me a great deal, but it came time to move on.
Sounds like a case of employer pretty much saying "you're lucky we're paying you at all"
I'm so glad I worked in the Nhs, our contracts have a yearly raise inbuilt, plus whatever is negotiated as a pure rise by the unions. This stuff that goes on in the public sector drives me nuts!
You must be your own proactive advocate. Corrupt people thrive when others don’t ask or are persistent
I should add that she ceded all the power in that relationship to HIM, and she totally discounted her own power. That dynamic needs to change or she will never overcome that insecurity about her real worth
I still remember when I was in my first job, I was working as a senior in an IT company and after more than two years, I went to ask about pay raise, because I did not get one in the whole time I was working for them. They told me, that they did not increase my pay because I did not ask...
Exactly, don’t ask don’t get. Quite often the most silly question is the one that is never spoken. People are not mind readers.
5 years of inflation. 5 years of effective pay cuts. Unacceptable
If the average inflation is 4 percent then she lost what? 22 percent since she started?
Wouldn’t be surprised if they tell the employees not to discuss wages with each other as well, because that boss is paying his favourites (or nepo babies) more than the min wage employees. That sheet happened to me, but instead of being the workhorse of the company (I was responsible for 25% of company monthly revenue) I acted my wage and drastically cut the output, plus whistleblowing illegal practices to the relevant bodies. They are still hurting to this day 😂, and min wage is going up again next month by 10% in the UK so they’ll be hurting even more, I wouldn’t be surprised if they sell the company or shut down soon.
Ben: 'You hadn't had a pay review in five years?!'
Me: * laughs in retail and hospitality *
Try a trade, you only get a pay rise changing jobs.
*laughs in early childhood education*
A good thing to take from this is, never underestimate yourself. Do NOT think you are being greedy to ask for what you deserve. Badly run businesses will always take advantage of you, end of story.
I make sure my starting wage is enough over what I currently make to hold me for 3 years. If I haven't gotten a raise in 3 years, I start looking. Once I have good replacement jobs lined up, I ask for a raise. If it doesn't happen, I accept another job and move on.
The minimum for a senior medical secretary working for a surgeon should be no less than $45-$55 per hr - know your worth!
Currently in a similar situation. I’ve been in my current role for 1 yr 2 months. I realized I had to jump when I was 10 months in and I was the one brining up performance reviews, salary increases, promotion process. All I got was shock (as in why are you bringing it up) and vagueness, vagueness about my bonus, and vagueness on how to get a promotion. Two things I was guaranteed in January 2024 when I brought it up for the last time: no promotions on my first year (nobody ever gets promoted their first year) and salary increases are a one way conversation, and I’d be lucky to get 3% increase. I just had my salary review, it was 3 minute phone call. I didn’t ask any questions. I just said thanks, and pretended everything was fine. I’ve been looking for a new job for 3 weeks lol. Wish me luck!
Everything about Ben is so great...his voice, his positivity and the way he encourages people...❤❤❤
This is a lovely comment, thank you
I’ve had 3 major jobs in my history and all had widely different management. My first main job was with a supermarket in the U.K. who clearly had a large turnover in staff and it wasn’t till I had a medical issue that things went bad. Staff decided to drive to AE but parked outside the hospital and made me walk to AE entrance with pains in my abdomen and walking folded in half. Just so they didn’t have to pay for parking and I was just dropped off and left. The next was an energy company who valued staff, mainly due to the training needed. They had investment in you and the longer you were there, they saved money. It was a very stressful role but in their defence they worked hard to support. Although when I was made redundant and decided to get a degree. My latest role is majorly different. My manager values my role. I get flexibility, loyalty and always enjoy my job.
People should understand their worth and know their rights but never become a “Karen” about it. You catch more flies with honey and I live by that.
Sounds just like the doctor I worked for. Paid 20c an hour above minimum wage and thought that was more than enough. Would often forget to pay me and when I reminded him he threatened to pay me 6 monthly!
I was confused for a second when he asked "are you still there" and she replied with "No I've left now"
My brain was like ?? your still talking so your still there! xD
I wish someone had given me this advice 20 years ago.
I took medical office administration in college. My first job after graduation was in a doctor's office. My resume was clear what I took and my skills. I was hired to cover the receptionist who was going on maternity leave... .or so I thought. Turns out the doctor hired someone else for that position and I was hired to be the "nurse." I had to bring patients to the rooms, take notes on why they came in, weighed them, and if they were required to pee in a container I would provide that and then take it and put in some paper stick thing for a test (I honestly forget what the test strip was for, it was so long ago). I then was told that I would be cleaning out patients ears from wax build up. Um what?? I was hired to fill in for the receptionist not a nurse! I felt so under qualified and had absolutely no interest in doing any of this that I quit. I was barely making minimum wage at the time. Honestly, what was the doctor thinking? Someone trained to run an office cannot and should not perform such tasks! I even had to wear scrubs! Looking back on it now, the doctor was too cheap to hire an actual nurse.
I'd struggle to ask for a pay review, too. Being a bit of a goody two-shoes, and having been conditioned to not rock the boat, even as a generally confident guy, it's hard.
The minimum wage increases annually in Australia.
Where I work it use to be policy that to get a payrise you had to write a payrise application to directors basically stating why you deserve a pay increase and if you asked for too much they would reject it for that reason even if they knew you deserved something just not the same amount you were asking. I.e you asked for £3k raise but they thought you only deserved £2k you got nothing
In my over twenty years of working (in Canada), I've seen that most companies have: no cost of living adjustments, no pension plans, no real differentiation in benefits packages, the minimum 10 days of federally-mandated vacation, and would prefer to give (or choose not to give) people discretionary bonuses while never raising their base salary.
Former job i worked, i only got three raises that were not part of minimum wage going up. Each came about from me talking about getting another job to cover expenses, and each was only a nickle. I was a shift manager at a fast food franchise. At one point i found out there were a couple of new employees hired at $3/hr more than i was making. I was the lowest paid manager there (i was also the only straight white man as a manager) and i got no extra for working graveyard, i tried to get a raise and was told that the store manager and franchise owner would discuss it if i brought down speed of service times, meanwhile i was routinely scheduled with three people including myself to do the work where we needed the minimum of five people (store manager liked to brag he could do it on morning shift with three people but did half the business of the graveyard shift being across the street from a college campus and one of two places open when the bars closed). No surprise im not there anymore.
No one will value you if you don't value yourself. A deep ingrained insecurity underlies her decision making. I don't know how one overcomes that predominance of self doubt. She needs counselling, like you gave her Ben.... great advice
i dont think its self doubt. getting fired or repositioned somewhere else for asking for a raise or even pay review is a lot more common. its just fear of losing a good job.
Never forget when I left school and started work (16) and they told me my hourly rate would be 1/6p. I'm 75 now.
Never forget that inflation exists.
I had a similar thing happen. I was on a rate and wanted a promotion (with more cash of course) so I took on additional responsibilities and made myself more useful etc… then when I asked for more because I was working to a higher grade…my boss’s reply was “you are already doing more work on the pay you currently have, why should I pay more?”
I don’t work there anymore.
That is why I left my last job in a bakery getting $22 and new people getting $26.
I work for a company for 20+ years and have never had a pay review (with management) or performance review!!!
Pay rises have only come when I have asked for more money.
I’m a union worker so we get what ever raises have been bargained for. I’ve worked at the same place for nearly 42 years and have had only one performance review!😂
You are worth what the market will handle and he clearly undervalued you and had no respect for you. He'll now have to spend all the time and money getting a new secretary hired and trained and have to pay her/him their worth. He screwed himself...badly. You did absolutely do the right thing by leaving.
Was recommended your channel today and have no idea what your channel is about other than business related. Do you give advice to people who are looking for work or have had bad experiences in the work environment? If so I have a unique situation which there isn't much advice on how to deal with when it happens in the work place.
He's like the corporate Bear Grylls, sounds exactly like him too
In the early 2000's I worked for a similar boss. His attitude was "you knew what the salary was when you joined". If you want a rise then you have to put together a business case that wll demonstrate how the increase will be paid for and add value to the business. He could not understand why in one year alone he had a 300% turn over in staff.
god i can empathise so much with this woman. i had a very similar experience in a very different field (an opera-as-in-the-music-and-not-the-web-browser-related tech startup, a phrase which i imagine i am the first and only person ever to type) where i got what was basically The Ideal Job (on the face of it) about three months after i had been let go from a not right for me but "meh" job. i actually worked there for about two years even though they literally Never paid me enough, which, very much my mistake after the point at which i could go and find something better because i was marginally less financially unstable. then the first similar-ish job that i interviewed for after losing the opera-related job (because -- and get this -- they had to pay me TOO MUCH! that's right: they could outsource the already underpaid and overworked workers to pay them even less) pays 10k-ish more than the job that apparently Couldn't Afford to pay me any more. this was not the only bullshit in this job but it is a deeply indicative sample.
In my field, employers will do market adjustments in response to recruiting and retention difficulties. Over the years my market adjustments have been 10 times as much as the maximum possible raise. I shake my head at that! If you gave reasonable raises based on merit, market adjustments might not be needed!
Work to live not live to work.
I hate this so much... they say they can't give you pay rise, but when you leave they pay another person the salary you asked and then also have train them for months! Also poor girl, women really are on the back foot on this, at least some of the pay gap is explained by just more constructive negotiations on male side. He is totally abusing her and she feels "uncomfortable to be greedy"... MY GOD!
Obviously, my situation was much difference and never been in such a bad place, but at one point in my career my company stopped giving me pay rises to the point where I had to leave, but they were fine to pay much more for my replacement. Somehow every year before that for like 5 years they were giving my pay rise in-line with expectations, maybe the salary was lower than the market, but every year it was raised by £5,000, £8,000, £4,000 extra and it felt like I am either closing the gap or at least getting reasonable pay rises in line with may increasing experience (this being first job after graduation). And also they would give Bonus on top of that, so it would be ~£12,000-15,000 a year. Then on 6th year in the company I just got the bonus... £12,000... and I asked about it - "I much appreciate the bonus, but bonus is kind of nice if you get it, but can't count on it... wouldn't it be better to split it like in the years before?"... and my manager was like... "sorry, you reached your bracket and we can't raise it, so we doing best we can to sort of give you fair deal, but we can't raise the salary" (by the way this is confirmed true fact, HR was not letting him go past "bracket"). And at this point I am MINIMUM £10,000 underpaid considering market rate. So next year I was very clear about it and we worked together on my objectives, to make sure I exceed them (and I always exceeded them) and working towards promotion so that I get out of that bracket. Next year comes, no promotion, hire freeze, BS, can't do it, again he scrapped the bottom and it is only £12,000 bonus, no pay rise. Market went up significantly, basically I am getting job offers daily with £20,000 more per year and HR and senior managers just wouldn't budge - no promotion, no pay rise. The kicker - there is shortage of workers and they keep hiring consultants for £650/day (which works out at annual rate of £140,000), but they would not pay me more than £55,000 no matter what, despite 8 years in a row exceeding expectations. Left the company 4 months later for £92,000... and obviously they hired contractor to replace me for £650/day. Where is the logic in that?
The only funny thing was that when I said I was leaving, the other company actually offered me £86,000 at first, it was Friday and my manager asked me to wait until Monday before formally putting the notice in, just in case they would try to match it or counter offer it (which was just ridiculous really as there was no way, but obviously my manager wanted me to stay and maybe though he could use the offer I got as leverage or something). Anyhow, I went back to the agent and said, "could we wait until Monday as my company considering the counter-offer". And the agent called me Monday 7AM to say that new company upped the offer to £89,000 +£3,000 travel allowance, so basically they increased my salary over the weekend by more than I got in pay rises over last 2.5 years!... and obviously on Monday my manager said "no go, they may be able to do £65,000" and I said "appreciate you tried, but just to let you know you not even matching £86,000, now it is £92,000".
Morale of the story is know your worth, rely on yourself to get your worth and you only get what you accept in life. If you accept being undervalued, you got it. The moment you decide to not accept it and get what you’re worth, the reality changes immediately. Congratulations on the new job and salary increases.
@@jonb4248 Thanks!
Also - that indeed companies rather lose employee and rehire at more than previous employee was asking rather than simply increasing the pay to competitive rate. Even good and well performing companies does that (I guess in my case because of too rigid HR rules), so obviously small business and worse companies will do that even more.
I don't know about the UK but surgeons in the US are the most miserly people on the planet. I was not surprised at all that his response was why should I pay you more. I am sure the first thing he said when the new person interview and gave their salary requirements was "well Ashley did the job for X amount."
I think the problem is when you enjoy a job, you're so worried about losing it. So you don't want to rock the boat and ask for a pay review. But at the end of the day you are an employee, you are replaceable, and you should be getting paid enough! Added to that is all the tactics used like 'we're a team' 'we're a family' and added benefits like meals provided etc, and you're unlikely to leave. I'm working my notice right now after leaving a job I've been in for nearly 6 years, and the fear of the unknown is what has stopped me. But I am excited for my new role and they are paying me much more fairly!
I've had jobs that did not have pay raises, ever. Women in particularly are raised to feel guilty for asking for what their work is worth.
I can count on one hand the number of pay reviews/ performance reviews I had during my last job. The only time I got a raise is when the minimum wage increased. Glad I’m done with that place.
At one of the places I’ve worked at, seriously bad personnel turnover, a new chap arrived and asked us if we got a pay review after a year, my response was, “well let you know when someone’s been here that long “ 😏
I worked for a Franchise Owner and he refused to give a payrise for 12 years. I did go from a 45 hr week to a 40 hr week 'as a pay rise once' and only because my very young Assistant Manager complained to the actuall Company's Head Office and they contacted the Franchise owner and embarrased him by asking him why his employee was complaining to them about not getting payrises at all.
My job keeps scheduling training on my days off and they always tell us "you'll get paid". Yes.. well, that's the law, not a favor. I got tired of it and unless it's a license requirement, I dont go anymore.
This reminds me when I was working at a major multinational food company, one if the largest in the world, doing Telecommunications IT, but they classified me as a facilities clerk and when I found out that people doing less work in IT and only covering a single site were makes $12 more an hour starting out VS me covering both of the American continents and working in Spanish, English, French, and Russian and the Apple computer functional expert if IT needed support, as well as corporate buying on top of IT tier 1 to 3 support for IOS, android, and windows mobile. I didn't realize that 15 an hour wasn't good at the time because it was the highest I'd ever been paidAnd not only was I doing IT stuff but since I was classified as a facilities person I also had to go do facility stuff like unclog a toilet.
I have been there and I feel for her.
I still miss for old role, but 15 years Experience and heaps of IP but no room not opportunity to negotiate.
When I was a lot younger i said to my boss, "I can't afford to live on what you're paying me. If you don't give me a pay rise I will have to leave". I got the pay rise. A few years later our main customer, knowing that I knew their equipment inside out, offered me a much better job including a company car and a much better salary which I took.
When you are young and first hired you are not worth as much as you are paid because you do not know what you are doing, after a while your value will increase to the point you are worth more than what you are paid because you are now skilled. After about six months you value to the company drops down to what you are getting paid because they know you are will to work for what they are paying you. The Key is to ask for a pay review once you have become able to do the Job you were hired for. (Not the one they got you doing). If you can not get a reasonable pay raise it is time to start looking for another Job. Rest assured you will get a significant pay bump because you will be payed what your skill are worth, The Job you left will have to pay a fare rate to replace you and the place you are going to will have to pay what you are worth because they just lost someone else because they did not pay what they are worth. Your loyalty is to your family and your bank account.
15 years at a well known pizza chain at half of minimum raise+tips and not a single evaluation and only two minor raises after I pushed for them. Both of which minimum raise caught up to.
Even in retail you get yearly pay reviews. Jesus!
She seems to care alot that this boss personally saw her as valuable. Like it surprised her and hurt her that he didn't care about her or value her... that is just how it is for the overwhelming majority of employers. They're not out there trying to make sure everyone gets paid what they're worth based on value provided, their goal is to get as much out of you as possible for as little as possible. It's business and trying to make personal will hurt you and they'll never care. Assert your worth. Ask what what is reasonable for the value you provide, and if they are unwilling to compensate you for that, move along and don't waste your energy on trying to make them value you.
My boss while working at Wal-Mart said I should be thankful for getting 8 hours over 3 weeks (Minimum in Canada for a part time worker is like 18h/w). In the words of the great James E. Cornette "Thank You, F You, Bye". Course I couldn't say that, as I was still paying bills. I looked for other work, couldn't find it at the time.
She is stuppedly nice lady.
Sometimes people just need to remind themselves that they found that job the last time they were looking and they can find another.
When you have to ask for a pay review, be ready for any outcome. From that point of view, ask for what you think you’re worth but do sharpen up your CV too, may need a new job asap. It’ll just be awkward for an awful long time if not.
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Sounds like my boss, I’ve been there 3 years, never had a pay review, recently found out that we were also not paid holiday pay we were entitled to, when I bought it up I was told “be grateful we didn’t reduce your pay last year when your round was reduced”, I was like but I already barely earn minimum wage and you’re threatening to reduce that even more? was told to suck it up or find another job cos I wasn’t getting a raise or the holiday I was entitled to. Presently in the process of taking them to a tribunal. I love the job, but I genuinely hate the employer and have had no issues recently telling anybody who will listen how poorly they treat their employees.
The standard response in the US is that raises were not part of the budget and the company is struggling. I do my job well and I have been promised a raise for years, but there never seems to be a "budget" for raises or promotions. I have had it and I will be quitting in exactly 1 year, 3 months, 22 days, 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 20 seconds. I will be simply putting my laptop on my boss' desk with a signed letter that says nothing more than "I quit, effective this very second because I have not budgeted any additional time in my life for an employer that does not seem to value me enough to provide a pay raise or a promotion opportunity."
I got laughed at for asking only a bit more per hour. Hour later i put my notice in
Personally I’d of found something else first unless you could afford to jus get out of there
It happens to men less because from my experience men just do this:
1. Get fed up with a job
2. Get a job offer with what they want
3.1 Leave
3.2 Negotiate a new salary and Leave if it doesn't go their way
I've only done this once, but the pay there was so minimal that it was silly even thinking about it - i switched from accounting to software development, and accounting is suuuuper underpaid in my country. Coming out of university with a bachelors and masters in accounting, and having prior education in accounting in one of the best specialized schools in the country earned me a 200 euro starting salary, which in almost 2 years rose to 400. When i said i was leaving, they said they would increase it to 500. At that moment, I had been teaching myself how to code for 2 months and found a junior job for twice the salary.
At my employer, things have gotten so bad that:
a) the employees unionized and then went on strike to protest wages.
b) the employer is losing younger workers faster than they can be replaced.
The union is in the process of negotiating a new CBA. There may be industrial action by summer.
In case you're wondering why I don't leave, I'm less than two years away from able to resign whilst gaining free university tuition for my children. Its a age and seniority based formula. I need to give them the ability to graduate university debt free.
Pay reviews are not mandatory in many industries unless you are in a union.
If the company does not give you a pay review in 18 months when you first started then you should start looking for a job elsewhere.
Only when you give them your resignation is when the boss will “start” to talk about your pay or even worse guilt trip you to be thankful for this job. Just suck it up and go for more money.
Owning a house is extremely difficult on low pay with high interest rates and costs of living going up each year.
Because I’m a woman I feel comfortable saying this boss is clearly taking advantage of her and knew she was too nice to go hard because she’s a woman and didn’t want to seem unlady like. He KNOWS that about her. Women don’t negotiate properly because we feel it’s mean or we somehow don’t deserve it. I broke that habit long ago. When I get a pay band to negotiate, I start at that top number and make them have to talk me down. That’s negotiation. Having second thoughts?… fine. Then ask yourself, “what would a man do!?”
She's a boss's dream she works as well as two people and undervalues herself for less than the value of one why on Earth would he ever give her a raise
This poor woman has serious imposter syndrome. Ask your worth lady! Or just go work for a new boss.
Remember, most companies' positions are that employees, even the most critical ones, are fungible. Treating employees horribly is their way of proving their point. Either the employee will quit, be made redundant, will "Kirk Out" leading to termination without severance or will remain at a hopefully lower compensation package. Whether legal or not, most firms will collude in ensuring that employees are crapped on across the board.
If you don't know what Kirking out means, it's DC slang and described in the Urban Dictionary. It's kind of like "going postal."
When going for a pay rise always ask for about 10% more than you really expect to get. When asked why you are asking for that much, answer by saying that you are worth that much. If your boss refuses to grant you any pay rise then you are probably not worth as much as you thought you were.
She was getting more than an RN on East Coast.
Unfortunately this is very common for women in Australia. I only say this because I’ve only had experience in Australia, it may very well be true for other countries too. I’ve worked in HR and consistently saw women grossly underpaid in comparison to their male counterparts. Furthermore they are afraid to ask for more and when they do they’re belittled into accepting either what they already get, or very little more. Australian female employees need to get tougher.
My recommendations are:
Be very well prepared for pay and performance reviews.
Research the rates being paid in your area for similar positions as well as the awards.
Note your responsibilities and where these may exceed the average expectation for your position.
Highlight your achievements and, where possible put a dollar value to it.
Give percentages to exceeded KPI’s.
Keep emotions out of it, it’s extremely hard for an employer to argue with numbers delivered with pure professionalism.
GO GET IT LADIES!!
I am the biggest fool in the world when it comes to work but even when I got my first job at 7-11. I sat down with my boss after six months and said I am a going to ask you for a raise in six more months. If you think I've earned it great, if not please tell me at what level I need to be at to get it. What else can I do right? What have I been doing wrong, or not up to the company's standards?
If I meet the standards they set and I don't get the raise I feel is appropriate, I walk. But if I genuinely struggle to do so, or fail for some reason I stay until I get it right.
Jobs can be wonderful but in the end you are there to get money to pay for the things you need to survive, and in very few exceptions, the person hiring you is there to get you to do a job and give you as little as possible and pocket the rest.
This is why to start at - or better - than market rate from the start. If you go in at a low rate, every pay raise will be based on that beginning rate - even if you change roles with a higher starting rate for newcomers.
no company gives a f about you.. you come first.. remember that
From my experience in the US, pay reviews are nonexistent. If you’re fortunate enough to work for a company, that’s making a good profit, mine is a not for profit, and we’ve been in a budget crisis for about 10 years, we used to get maybe 2%. In fact, my very first raise was $.22 an hour back in 2010. So bosses have to get inventive and think of ways to promote people so that they can get a dollar or two increase. Their newest trick is giving a bonus at the end of the year Which is the equivalent of one percent raise retroactive for the fiscal year
I still get very shocked by these stories, and grateful as i have never been in this situation. I have had to push for payrises sometimes but i have always had one. Never had someone try to screw me over...
Where I work they do pay reviews each year. The budget that the team mgt gets for putting to the pay rises is never enough to give everyone a pay increase equal to CPI inflation. For the last 4 years I've never had a pay rise equal to or better than CPI inflation. In fact the last two were about 1/4 of CPI. They keep talking about how much they value the efforts that everyone puts in, but they don't walk the talk and maintain the value of our remuneration. Now they're talking about automating as much as possible.
Old trick always ask for double what you want. They'll halve it and think they're great negotiators and you'll get what you want. If the don't pay go work for someone else.
You made the right decision to leave. If you would have stayed you would have resented your employer and your decision. The first move is always the hardest. Now, you can look for a better cultural fit. You know you can do the work, you know you’re worth it, now you just have to find the right environment. You’ve got this kid.
Have not had a pay raise myself since the bosses wife died 3 years ago...looking for a job now but having a hard time finding one.
Should have said $40 it’s expensive to live in this country food expenses ect are out of control, decent employees are hard to come by you need to look after them.
Women! STOP ASKING FOR LESS THAN YOU DESERVE!
People need to start quiting these jobs with no notice after securing new employment.
Where can you send things in?
I've had 2 rises in 7 years. I had to ask for the first one and the last one was 50c an hour
You don’t sound competent when you know your base pay BASE pay is $32-$35 then ask for $27. Ridiculous! Timid and weak, sorry, how can you work for 5 years and have no self confidence in your position.
You haven't walked in her shoes. If you have a job you love and find out you're under paid and that is the only problem with the job it's very hard to give that up, especially when a lot of jobs are so crappy. Don't be so critical of others until you've walked a mile in their shoes. Would you take a job you love for $25 an hour or a job you despise for $30 an hour?
She did leave so that's good, but don't be critical of her because she's not sure she did the right thing. It's really hard to leave a place when your only complaint is that you're underpaid.
@@PhuckEwerself “she’s not sure she did the right thing” yeah because she is incompetent, and it really seems she has no backbone.
So based on 3% yearly increase in earnings for adjustment from inflation, and a 10% promotion from junior to independent worker her position would be worth roughly 32. If the employer didn't offer very much benefits I could see higher wage increases being more reasonable (closer to the 35 range she was talking about). If she had more research prepared for him showing increased cost of living, new cost for junior positions, and show that you have already received an offer I could see him upping her up to 32 because he won't be able to get anyone as qualified as her for less, and he would need to face disruptions to work and pay recruiters to fill the position. If this was happening during covid you could even show him gov benefits for unemployment and show that you didn't even need to be employed to meet a similar quality of life.
If you think about lack of back and that the next pay review could be in another 5 years then asking for 38 would be acceptable.
Worked at a place where at my annual review, I was required to fill out a form "what are your strengths, what were your achievements this year"
And also "What are your weaknesses, what could you have done better". Yes, you had to give them ammunition NOT to give you a pay raise. If you left it blank, he'd say something like "Oh, so you think you're perfect, well, that's a mark against you". I did have rises, but when you did the math, they were below inflation. We were still expected to be grateful.