In Sweden it is illegal to break some ones annual leave, if they do, they have to pay for the person booked holiday and overtime and also can be forced to pay fines.
What really bugs me is that often times we're told we're only a cog in the machine and paid accordingly but when shit hits the fan we're the go-to person. blows the mind
At my old job, I was in charge of the schedules for my department. Because I was the only manager who didn't have children, I was used to working the worst schedule, but I always made sure to pay attention to availability of my team and gave them consideration. I was always timely with my schedules and made sure to print out schedules two weeks in advance to post by the door and I always communicated any changes I had made both verbally and through text documentation. The problem was MY boss had no consideration for other people's time. She had a habit of changing the schedules of others without notice or communication. Often, she'd change the schedule the night before without ever alerting anyone else to the change as she believed everyone should be checking their own schedule every day and would give out disciplinary action for anyone who missed a shift that hadn't previously been there. I allowed my department to use the printed schedule to use for their own defense against writes-ups, which only led to the posted printed schedule mysteriously disappearing whenever my boss opened the building in the morning. Thankfully, my department had our own printer which we made excellent use of so there were always multiple copies.
The worst one was when the boss showed up at the employee's home. That's just not cool at all. It's a total invasion of privacy. I would have kicked him out.
As a UK EX-pat, now living in the US. I own several acres of forest that have bears and other large wildlife roaming around. When out on my land, i'm usually armed myself, as a precaution for my own protection against aggressive predators. If my ever boss showed up unannounced on my day off, i'd be sure to make them feel extra welcome, by casually walk up to them, with my weapon in its holster, on full display for them to see and ask, "are you lost or just trespassing? I know this is far from subtle but living in the US for several years has given me an appreciation for the blunt and direct approach and trust me, they'd get the hint.
@@GrannyDryden I was also thinking, what if that situation happened in the US and the employee had a gun? Didn't that cross the boss's mind? I mean, as I understand it, it's legal in some states to "protect" yourself in your home.
@@EikePilt it different from state to state, but for the most part yes, you are correct you do have the right to defend yourself, within your own home. This is known as “castle doctrine “. This means if somebody breaks in, you don’t have to retreat, as your home is your castle so to speak, and anyone foolish enough to break in could be leaving with a severe case of lead poisoning. However, this common law, in most states, does not extend outside of house as this could be misconstrued as you going out,’ looking for trouble’. You’d need to get a carry permit to legally carry outside of your home, however being on my own property, I wouldn’t need a carry permit oto justify why I’m carrying one, just if I discharged it and someone got hurt.
I had 2 weeks booked of between Christmas and New Year, which is normal for here in Australia. And it had been approved, School holidays, and my wife also had the same dates, so we booked and paid for a family holiday !!! Early August, the manager called me into his office and told me that he had cancelled my holidays as there would be to much work load over Christmas....... However as they were running a bit quiet on work at the moment, he had decided that I would be taking Tuesday and Thursday of for the next 5 weeks......EI 10 days....... The next day at 7 AM I started a new job...I still had my 2 weeks of over the holidays, better working conditions, better hours, and it pays more money. A few years later I met the former manager, who by this time was working at another job. He apologised for what he had done, and told me he had been under so much pressure from farther up the chain to act like what he did. And he had also quit about a week after me.
I used to work for the UK Civil Service and had quite generous Annual Leave. I had one boss who I told up front "I will in over the summer (when people with school age children had to take their holiday) but I take the 2nd and 3rd weeks in September". never any problem. My final boss was a micro-manager and asked for a justifcation even for one day (when I was a wedding out of town). She then seemed suprised that in my last couple of months before taking Voluntary Redundancy that I didn't work a full week despite the fact that she had prevented me taking leave!
That's not on. I'm working my first summer holiday where everyone else on the team had kids or plans for the summer so there's about 6 weeks where I'm the only constant in the department, even the new starter who joined a month ago has time off, and it's been hell because the team is small and there's been a few times i absolutely carried the department and the company in the uk. I have time off booked for September because I'll need a break - already burnt out and still have about 3 weeks of other people's holidays to go. If my manager decided to cancel it, I'd hand in my notice and if asked for a reason I'd just say "unfair treatment"
I had a boss that really disliked me (and some others to be fair). The company was scheduled to move to a different location and it would be "all hands on deck". A colleague said the boss had said that he hoped it would be one particular week so he could stop me going on holiday, that I had already booked. So I waited until he was away for a few days and saw his boss to explain everything was already booked and I was quite happy to do extra at other times, if I could have this week off, as it was my one holiday. He was happy to authorise it, which infuriated my boss when he found out!
Many years ago I went and booked a holiday abroad having glanced at the rota the week before booking it to know when no one was off, ultimately giving me the ok to book it, the time was outside the seasonal peak (Xmas time) so I paid for my holiday and came into work the next day to request it. Upon speaking to my manager he said I couldn’t have it as his wife was due to give birth that month and no one was allowed to take holiday at the same time as another employee (Him) it wasn’t written down as he obviously didn’t know when she was going to drop. I stood my ground and offered him my resignation and a complaint to HR he soon backed down.
When I moved from germany to canada 10 years ago i put 3 month notice, just to be nice, a day before my flight he called me saying he cant accept my notice and he needs another 3 month. I said farewell and ended the phonecall. The next day he was sitting at the airport asking me to come back since he forgot to hire someone and he would lose his contract if i didnt haul the loads. 😂 i laughed, checked in and never looked back after deleting 35messages and looked at 70 missed calls as we took off the runway 😂
I booked a day off, well in advance, for my 18th birthday decades back. They approved it, then cancelled it a week before as we had a stock take and they wanted all of us to work it. Jokes on them, I called in sick. I'm not missing my first legal drink!
I put in my annual leave so as to buy tickets home to visit family. I was told we'll sort it out the next day. My leave has been the same for the past 3 years, it's a quiet time and has never been an issue before. Fully gearing up to buy the tickets the following evening but playing it safe till after the meeting...only to walk into the meeting and being told I'm being let go. No prior warning whatsoever. Few days later while working out my remaining time I got asked if I did indeed buy those tickets for Christmas....fun times.
I was on a 3-week vacation. My Capt called me and asked if I could come back early because they were short-staffed. I told him I couldn't because I was on the opposite side of the planet in Taiwan. He was suddenly taken aback. He had thought I was going to Tampa, NOT Taiwan. Secondly, he didn't really believe it because the phone call was so clear. He was not being a jerk boss or anything like that, he had just called to see if I could come back early. When I came back, we had a fun time sitting in dispatch looking at my vacation photos.
If I was in another country and my manager messaged me and told me I need to come in. Guess what I'd be doing? Not answering would the first thing. Aint no stupid boss going to ruin/disrupt my holiday. The worst thing that happened to me was my old manager tried to change (after it'd been approved) my leave because we were "too busy". When I refused, he then tried saying it was my fault he couldn't schedule it properly because I didn't give the right notice. I told him I gave double the required notice, and that if he can't properly schedule for my absence with double the required notice, that it sounds like him problem, not a me problem. Needless to say I ended up taking my time off, and my toxic manager no longer works there. People don't understand the how important it is to reset from work occasionally. And I live somewhere where workers actually have decent rights, not the US.
me in that first story: "Alright boss, here are my cancellation fees, new ticket costs for the whole family, new hotel stays and if you try and evade this in any way, I'll sue, get you to pay attorney fees too, I'll make sure, that your name and company name make national news over this and if you really piss me off, you'll be testifying in front of the congress, Colbert style!"
😂 or saying: well, my passport number and my family passport numbers. Book yourself the flights, manage all the cancelations, phone all parties involved, print all and send them to me at my Mexican hotel and I'm going to be there whenever you decided or manage to book. He has to put first the money if he wants me at his side or my little ass is not going to move. I asure you he is going to find another person in two seconds.
@@vanesag.9863not to mention reimbursing you for the NONrefundable rest of your vacation. BETTER YET, REIMBURSE THE ENTIRE VACATION. BECAUSE HE RUINED IT FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY. Also double-time pay because you're working when you're supposed to be off. If they're not willing to sweeten the deal a whole lot... Then absolutely no way. It would have to be supremely profitable.
@@Lee-pf2uv The truth is that your aproach is even better. My brother was called by his boss and shouted at because he didn't answered the two first calls. He was nearly incommunicated at Malta and he only had a good connection at the hotel. He asked for the flights, hotel, car, event tickets... And his boss said to him he didn't knew he was on holidays and apologised. The price of having him at work was four or five times more expensive than the benefit of having him there. By the way, another person of his team was controling his usual work and was logged to be the one in control while my brother was on holidays. The boss was the only one that didn't "recived" the holidays rotations. 🙄
@@Lee-pf2uv Well, I believe, that simply demanding my money and not budging would be enough to make the guy go find someone else, but wouldn't endanger my job. I understand your point though. I really should ask for first class (if there are routes flying from that destination), if company need's me back in the office.
In early 2000 I took annual leave from the job I had at the time. Then not long after I got back I got a subpoena for jury service so I was away for a while longer. After I got back to work the supervisor came to me one day and told me there was a drop in production since I'd been back, so said drop in production was therefore my fault. I ignored him, so then he went to the other men on the team with the same theory. Much to his chagrin they took my side rather than his, telling him, "Hey, we're behind in production because we don't have the parts we need. That's not his fault." That shut the supervisor down. I'd already been looking for something else, so the next time I took annual leave I came in midway through it to hand in my two-week notice. End of story? Not quite; a few months after that I ran into a former co-worker who told me that not long after I left several other men also quit. That says a lot.
I got told today I still had 2 weeks holiday left ( out of 6 weeks ) and had to book them before December, so I just said okay first 2 weeks in November, Boss was like okay done, and I know I will get them. I love living in GREAT Britain.
I accrued way too much time to carry over, literally almost a month's worth, was asking and asking and "never a good time". I didn't ask, but *announced,* that I'd be taking off most of December (2 days in the middle in case anything came up) and a good part of November. Amazingly, I didn't get any pushback.
I booked a fortnight 8 months before, and I was in a team of 3 in IT. The junior guy organised some of the same time off for a wedding, then the boss decided he wanted to go to a concert at the same time. He cancelled my leave saying you can rearrange your holiday... my reply was... "Not really an option as I don't think the US Solar Eclipse will change itself to suit you!" I left!
I got a BIG horror story from Annual Leave back when I was doing my PhD. Long story short? I had no holidays and had to interrupt girlfriend's (now wife) 30th celebrations. It was such a big thing for me, that I am no longer in academia.
Me and group of friends use to go on a camping trip every year.. We all got the week booked with work months in advance. One , our main driver, said he had his boss try saying two weeks before "you can't have that" asked why and someone asked for the same week. Friend told them that's not happening as he already had it booked. We still went
If I was OP in the last story, I would have reported the manager to HR, warning them of the consequences if they tried to fire me, and gone on the holiday anway
Showed up at the house? I oversee a large team and I only know the vague area most of them live, not the actual address. I'd have to go to HR for that and then probably get told to rightly to go away. That is psychopathic behaviour. I mean it looks utterly mental. That boss needs to be volunteered for psychiatric treatment. However, if it was one of my middle managers who'd done that to one of their team, they would do well to retain their job after something like that
I personally will tell any boss who wants me to come in at their convenience if they tell me instead fo ask my rate in increased by 10X for that period if you want me to even consider it.
I worked somewhere where I had asked to work from 7:30 am to 4:30 pm. Other people in the office did similar hours to pick kids up and all that. It was a big department and there were people there till 5 so shifts were covered. The head of the department called me in to ask me why I needed the time off as I didn’t have a spouse or kids to take to things. I just said “you can’t legally ask me that. What does it matter my marital status and if I have kids” I did get the time changed but also started looking for another job.
5:00 5x the pay, it starts the moment I leave the hotel and stops when I get back to it. You arrange all the taxis and flights and pay for them upfront. And I want this all in writing and signed off before we start
The easiest way to stop a lot of this is to leave your cell phone behind. Don’t answer it. There is a reason why people were happier back in the day. The office couldn’t get a hold of you. You’re on vacation, people just lived without you. The employee came back energized cause they didn’t have to work. No stress, no mess.
This all just supports my position that your boss should legitimately fear physical reprisal for screwing with you. Forget about company policy. Forget about legal remedies. We're getting about federal law. Your boss should know that if he or she screws with you, you're likely to be injured.
Had a girl, Jenny, in accounting (of course) who'd booked (for two weeks, with fam) and just left (Monday) from Utah to Germany. That night, her boss tried to say that she had to be back on Wednesday. She said it would cost her tens of thousands of dollars to do that. Boss got in trouble for spending about $25k (from what we heard) instead of just pulling in a temp for two days. Jenny gave her two weeks notice the day she got back.
I was given two montgs to use my remaining three weeks holiday by end of March but my manager kept coming up with excuses. With one month to go i left a final request to take the last three weeks only to have a response saying it wasn't possible and i couldn't carry them forward. Following week he quit and his boss allowed me to carry them forward.
I had that happen to me, but about a month of "never a good time" vacation and plenty of time to accrue more. I *announced* that I'd be taking off most of December and a good chunk of November, as I wasn't about to lose so much as a single minute of vacation time.
That pne that showed up at their house, would have given me an easy out for a labor lawyer. "I was removed from the schedule unjustly, because I didn't answer my personal phone on my day off" That boss would have found himself in hot water for sure.
I remember once my director called me and I told her i snuck off to Florida and took days off to do so. She said " Way to go". Thst is why I liked my job so much
And for that second... human... would hear this "alright then, first class from Dubai with Emirates (year worth of salary where I live), otherwise, forget this and consider this my notice."
The one where HR gave him a warning that one was wrong in so many ways. How can the boss/manager and HR be so stupid and idiotic. All of them are bad anyway Love your video btw.
I manage a B&B on a small island. I was flying back the afternoon before I was due back to work. My boss was at the runway to meet me. I thought that this was really nice of them to come to pick me up. Unfortunately not so nice. He tells me that he has 2 rooms that were not able to check in when they arrived because the rooms were occupied. They have my number and will contact me when they are returning to the house.He was leaving on the return of the flight I arrived on. I was expected to start working immediately even though I was still on vacation until the following day
My department manager's vacation was canceled by the company's owner. He was forced to cancel his western hunting trip. He made preparations for us, as the projects were moved into production. He wasn't actually needed at this point. He quit the company, leaving a large hole in capabilities and tribal knowledge. That would be felt until the day the company closed 8 year later.
"Hi boss, I'm not an on-call employee, but if you need me that badly, my on-call rates are [5x normal rate]/hr. But you should note that my Broken Appointment rates are [20x normal rate]/hr for the duration of these special shifts."
A common thread here is the business desperately needs you, but dont seem to be willing to cover expenses or sweeten the pot? The guy in mexico is likely at an all exclusive resort for example. It would cost the employee more to csncel than the pay they would earn for those days!
3:09 so somewhere in this world, there is a manager who has an employee that is such a massive keystone to their team so much so its absence tanks down the whole team's productivity, and that managers thinks the best move is harassing that keystone employee?
Always love when they deny every PTO request throughout the year then come november and december you can't cause they black out the whole month and say you should have used it earlier in the year.
I had an absolute prick of a of a boss on my previous job who demanded (among many of the other demands), that I reply to his emails within 24 hours. I still have PTSD because of that prick!
What I don't understand, specifically with the Mexico situation, is why the employee is answering the phone OFF the clock. I'm certain that the employee knows who's calling and if s/he doesn't, and it comes up as anonymous or unknown, why answer the phone? I mean, if it's that important the person calling will leave a message and you can listen to it later.
I took my phone OS and turned it to flight mode , I didnt need a massive phone bill when I got back home. But work still complained that they tried to call me but I didnt answer. Yes they forgot I was out of the country and wanted me to come in and fill in for someone.
I used to work at a place and I had put in my request for vacation 3 months ahead of time in writing to HR and got it approved. Bought my airline tickets and booked my room. 2 days before I'm supposed to go on vacation my manager tries to tell me that she has canceled my leave because the new hire is going to a wedding on the other side of the country. I said "I do not care. My vacation was approved in writing by HR 3 months ago, so whatever you told her has got nothing to do with me." She appeared absolutely shocked that I flatly refused to give up my approved vacation for a random wedding
PS. If the new hire had been asking for time so she could attend to her own wedding then of course I would have been much more understanding and accommodating. But expecting me to give up my vacation for some random stranger on the other side of the country? Nope.
I was retiring and gave 30 days notice, i had 8 days vacation left over which i planned to take just before i left. My manager did not have approval so passed it to the area manager. I day before my leave this manager denied it saying there were too many people already off. A day later i found out he'd laughed and joked about cancelling my leave on a zoom meeting. I suddenly developed stress and was signed off. The man was a dick.
Any day of annual leave where I am contacted by anyone in my company that's senior to me should automatically be cancelled in the leave system to be used at another time.
Swapped our leave? Sure. Here is the bill. (PTO for the people you were planning this trip with, plus booking costs) I expect it to be paid in full before my first leave day or i'm still going.
If my boss wanted me to swap holidays with someone I'd only agree to it if they agreed to shell out for my rebooking costs for flights, hotels and any other reservations as well as those of my families including upgrades if a 1 to 1 swap isn't available. You can't approve time off then unapprove it because of your poor planning, if you really need a specific person then you need to do a handover or train the rest of your team up to that persons level. I'm glad i work in a team where 99% of our day to day tasks are the same and if there's something important that only 1 of us knows how to do we teach each other
There is a very simple solution to this problem - don't give your boss your private mobile number- he will not contact you during your holidays- btw - you aren't obliged to answer his call anyways because you're on holidays 😂
no, they are not even legally ALLOWED to contact you, as that can be considered in some countries as working hours when contacting outside of normal contractual hours so if they did (for instance in the UK) you could request the company pay you for those times you were contacted and have conversations "about work" during your annual leave
Do people *NOT* understand the word "no", and how to use it? _"Sorry, but I swapped your and Peter's weeks of leave, and you'll need to be in next week instead."_ "No." See how easy that was?? Or ask if The Boss will take personal responsibility for *ALL* expenses in rebooking, ie, the loss of deposits, the astronomical increase in new prices to rebook, lost time, and even covering the emotional cost of not being able to rebook X or Y because they're just not available anymore. That includes the cost of rebooking the spouse and any-/everyone else who's coming along, too. Basically hand me a blank check, which I'll make full use of. No? Won't be held responsible? Then pssoff.
The Story where the boss had everyone tell the employee how their day was hard because the employee took a day off... I would have listened to everyone. When they finished, I would have laughed and said "I don't give a f__k." (The PG version is laughing while saying "that's crazy", and then walking away.) What are you supposed to do with that??? The boss needs to hire more staff if one person being off can ruin everyone else's day. 😂😂😂
I always remember back in the day, my boss approved my leave but then as the year closed in on 2000 and the Y2K bug was such a fear, he needed everyone on deck. He cancelled everyone's leave but I reminded him I had given him 12 months notice, this was back before work emails or texts (at least for me and the company I worked for) were a thing and a verbal word could be accepted or rejected. He grudgingly accepted that I'd be on leave for new year's eve but seeing these stories makes me realise not only how lucky I was but how contactable we are now with our technology
First one "ok, but you pay for my tickets I now cannot use, then pay for my next flight. I'll need it in writing btw" second story. That is a bad boss. 3rd story. Um what? re-arange flights? on short notice the price of them is always higher than if you booked before hand. 4th story... They showed up to the house? that... that is not good for anything short of no calls no shows for a week and no one has heard from that person. then cancel the shifts? I would have responded with "don't bother to schedule me anymore, you made me feel uncomfortable when you showed up" Last story, just look them in the eye and tell them that you are going anyways, They can try and punish you after it if they wish.
In Sweden it is illegal to break some ones annual leave, if they do, they have to pay for the person booked holiday and overtime and also can be forced to pay fines.
What really bugs me is that often times we're told we're only a cog in the machine and paid accordingly but when shit hits the fan we're the go-to person. blows the mind
"If I'm really that important, we really need to talk about compensation first!"
At my old job, I was in charge of the schedules for my department. Because I was the only manager who didn't have children, I was used to working the worst schedule, but I always made sure to pay attention to availability of my team and gave them consideration. I was always timely with my schedules and made sure to print out schedules two weeks in advance to post by the door and I always communicated any changes I had made both verbally and through text documentation. The problem was MY boss had no consideration for other people's time. She had a habit of changing the schedules of others without notice or communication. Often, she'd change the schedule the night before without ever alerting anyone else to the change as she believed everyone should be checking their own schedule every day and would give out disciplinary action for anyone who missed a shift that hadn't previously been there.
I allowed my department to use the printed schedule to use for their own defense against writes-ups, which only led to the posted printed schedule mysteriously disappearing whenever my boss opened the building in the morning. Thankfully, my department had our own printer which we made excellent use of so there were always multiple copies.
I like you. You're good people. 😊
I particularly enjoy that you had extra copies ready to go right back up. 😁
The worst one was when the boss showed up at the employee's home. That's just not cool at all. It's a total invasion of privacy. I would have kicked him out.
That one genuinely angered me.
As a UK EX-pat, now living in the US. I own several acres of forest that have bears and other large wildlife roaming around. When out on my land, i'm usually armed myself, as a precaution for my own protection against aggressive predators. If my ever boss showed up unannounced on my day off, i'd be sure to make them feel extra welcome, by casually walk up to them, with my weapon in its holster, on full display for them to see and ask, "are you lost or just trespassing? I know this is far from subtle but living in the US for several years has given me an appreciation for the blunt and direct approach and trust me, they'd get the hint.
@@GrannyDryden I was also thinking, what if that situation happened in the US and the employee had a gun? Didn't that cross the boss's mind? I mean, as I understand it, it's legal in some states to "protect" yourself in your home.
I would have called the police
@@EikePilt it different from state to state, but for the most part yes, you are correct you do have the right to defend yourself, within your own home. This is known as “castle doctrine “. This means if somebody breaks in, you don’t have to retreat, as your home is your castle so to speak, and anyone foolish enough to break in could be leaving with a severe case of lead poisoning. However, this common law, in most states, does not extend outside of house as this could be misconstrued as you going out,’ looking for trouble’. You’d need to get a carry permit to legally carry outside of your home, however being on my own property, I wouldn’t need a carry permit oto justify why I’m carrying one, just if I discharged it and someone got hurt.
I had 2 weeks booked of between Christmas and New Year, which is normal for here in Australia. And it had been approved, School holidays, and my wife also had the same dates, so we booked and paid for a family holiday !!!
Early August, the manager called me into his office and told me that he had cancelled my holidays as there would be to much work load over Christmas....... However as they were running a bit quiet on work at the moment, he had decided that I would be taking Tuesday and Thursday of for the next 5 weeks......EI 10 days.......
The next day at 7 AM I started a new job...I still had my 2 weeks of over the holidays, better working conditions, better hours, and it pays more money.
A few years later I met the former manager, who by this time was working at another job. He apologised for what he had done, and told me he had been under so much pressure from farther up the chain to act like what he did. And he had also quit about a week after me.
I have worked in a few family businesses and they can be the worst places for trying to get leave .
Seems like none of these managers know the difference between paying someone to work for you and buying a person outright. Appalling behavior!
I used to work for the UK Civil Service and had quite generous Annual Leave. I had one boss who I told up front "I will in over the summer (when people with school age children had to take their holiday) but I take the 2nd and 3rd weeks in September". never any problem. My final boss was a micro-manager and asked for a justifcation even for one day (when I was a wedding out of town). She then seemed suprised that in my last couple of months before taking Voluntary Redundancy that I didn't work a full week despite the fact that she had prevented me taking leave!
That's not on. I'm working my first summer holiday where everyone else on the team had kids or plans for the summer so there's about 6 weeks where I'm the only constant in the department, even the new starter who joined a month ago has time off, and it's been hell because the team is small and there's been a few times i absolutely carried the department and the company in the uk. I have time off booked for September because I'll need a break - already burnt out and still have about 3 weeks of other people's holidays to go. If my manager decided to cancel it, I'd hand in my notice and if asked for a reason I'd just say "unfair treatment"
@@SkaterBladesone word: Sue.
I had a boss that really disliked me (and some others to be fair). The company was scheduled to move to a different location and it would be "all hands on deck". A colleague said the boss had said that he hoped it would be one particular week so he could stop me going on holiday, that I had already booked. So I waited until he was away for a few days and saw his boss to explain everything was already booked and I was quite happy to do extra at other times, if I could have this week off, as it was my one holiday. He was happy to authorise it, which infuriated my boss when he found out!
Many years ago I went and booked a holiday abroad having glanced at the rota the week before booking it to know when no one was off, ultimately giving me the ok to book it, the time was outside the seasonal peak (Xmas time) so I paid for my holiday and came into work the next day to request it.
Upon speaking to my manager he said I couldn’t have it as his wife was due to give birth that month and no one was allowed to take holiday at the same time as another employee (Him) it wasn’t written down as he obviously didn’t know when she was going to drop.
I stood my ground and offered him my resignation and a complaint to HR he soon backed down.
When I moved from germany to canada 10 years ago i put 3 month notice, just to be nice, a day before my flight he called me saying he cant accept my notice and he needs another 3 month. I said farewell and ended the phonecall. The next day he was sitting at the airport asking me to come back since he forgot to hire someone and he would lose his contract if i didnt haul the loads. 😂 i laughed, checked in and never looked back after deleting 35messages and looked at 70 missed calls as we took off the runway 😂
Actions meet consequences
@@LovinglfDesigns Close, but no cigar. Lack of action meet consequences. But I nit pick.
@@qualicumwilson5168 you're my type of pedant
I booked a day off, well in advance, for my 18th birthday decades back. They approved it, then cancelled it a week before as we had a stock take and they wanted all of us to work it.
Jokes on them, I called in sick. I'm not missing my first legal drink!
I put in my annual leave so as to buy tickets home to visit family. I was told we'll sort it out the next day. My leave has been the same for the past 3 years, it's a quiet time and has never been an issue before. Fully gearing up to buy the tickets the following evening but playing it safe till after the meeting...only to walk into the meeting and being told I'm being let go. No prior warning whatsoever. Few days later while working out my remaining time I got asked if I did indeed buy those tickets for Christmas....fun times.
Sounds like a lawsuit to me.
I was on a 3-week vacation. My Capt called me and asked if I could come back early because they were short-staffed. I told him I couldn't because I was on the opposite side of the planet in Taiwan. He was suddenly taken aback. He had thought I was going to Tampa, NOT Taiwan. Secondly, he didn't really believe it because the phone call was so clear. He was not being a jerk boss or anything like that, he had just called to see if I could come back early. When I came back, we had a fun time sitting in dispatch looking at my vacation photos.
If I was in another country and my manager messaged me and told me I need to come in. Guess what I'd be doing?
Not answering would the first thing. Aint no stupid boss going to ruin/disrupt my holiday.
The worst thing that happened to me was my old manager tried to change (after it'd been approved) my leave because we were "too busy". When I refused, he then tried saying it was my fault he couldn't schedule it properly because I didn't give the right notice. I told him I gave double the required notice, and that if he can't properly schedule for my absence with double the required notice, that it sounds like him problem, not a me problem. Needless to say I ended up taking my time off, and my toxic manager no longer works there.
People don't understand the how important it is to reset from work occasionally.
And I live somewhere where workers actually have decent rights, not the US.
me in that first story:
"Alright boss, here are my cancellation fees, new ticket costs for the whole family, new hotel stays and if you try and evade this in any way, I'll sue, get you to pay attorney fees too, I'll make sure, that your name and company name make national news over this and if you really piss me off, you'll be testifying in front of the congress, Colbert style!"
😂 or saying: well, my passport number and my family passport numbers. Book yourself the flights, manage all the cancelations, phone all parties involved, print all and send them to me at my Mexican hotel and I'm going to be there whenever you decided or manage to book. He has to put first the money if he wants me at his side or my little ass is not going to move. I asure you he is going to find another person in two seconds.
@@vanesag.9863not to mention reimbursing you for the NONrefundable rest of your vacation. BETTER YET, REIMBURSE THE ENTIRE VACATION. BECAUSE HE RUINED IT FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY. Also double-time pay because you're working when you're supposed to be off. If they're not willing to sweeten the deal a whole lot... Then absolutely no way. It would have to be supremely profitable.
@@Lee-pf2uv The truth is that your aproach is even better.
My brother was called by his boss and shouted at because he didn't answered the two first calls. He was nearly incommunicated at Malta and he only had a good connection at the hotel.
He asked for the flights, hotel, car, event tickets... And his boss said to him he didn't knew he was on holidays and apologised. The price of having him at work was four or five times more expensive than the benefit of having him there. By the way, another person of his team was controling his usual work and was logged to be the one in control while my brother was on holidays. The boss was the only one that didn't "recived" the holidays rotations. 🙄
@@Lee-pf2uv Well, I believe, that simply demanding my money and not budging would be enough to make the guy go find someone else, but wouldn't endanger my job. I understand your point though. I really should ask for first class (if there are routes flying from that destination), if company need's me back in the office.
In early 2000 I took annual leave from the job I had at the time. Then not long after I got back I got a subpoena for jury service so I was away for a while longer. After I got back to work the supervisor came to me one day and told me there was a drop in production since I'd been back, so said drop in production was therefore my fault. I ignored him, so then he went to the other men on the team with the same theory. Much to his chagrin they took my side rather than his, telling him, "Hey, we're behind in production because we don't have the parts we need. That's not his fault." That shut the supervisor down. I'd already been looking for something else, so the next time I took annual leave I came in midway through it to hand in my two-week notice. End of story? Not quite; a few months after that I ran into a former co-worker who told me that not long after I left several other men also quit. That says a lot.
I got told today I still had 2 weeks holiday left ( out of 6 weeks ) and had to book them before December, so I just said okay first 2 weeks in November, Boss was like okay done, and I know I will get them. I love living in GREAT Britain.
I accrued way too much time to carry over, literally almost a month's worth, was asking and asking and "never a good time". I didn't ask, but *announced,* that I'd be taking off most of December (2 days in the middle in case anything came up) and a good part of November. Amazingly, I didn't get any pushback.
these bosses are the reason "I QUIT" has become such a popular line
More like "FVCK YOU, I QUIT!"
I booked a fortnight 8 months before, and I was in a team of 3 in IT.
The junior guy organised some of the same time off for a wedding, then the boss decided he wanted to go to a concert at the same time.
He cancelled my leave saying you can rearrange your holiday... my reply was... "Not really an option as I don't think the US Solar Eclipse will change itself to suit you!"
I left!
I got a BIG horror story from Annual Leave back when I was doing my PhD. Long story short? I had no holidays and had to interrupt girlfriend's (now wife) 30th celebrations. It was such a big thing for me, that I am no longer in academia.
Damn, that's pretty bad! 😬 If you feel like giving more details I'd be interested in hearing
A friend in academia used to say “The politics in academia are the most vicious because the stakes are so low!” 🤯
Me and group of friends use to go on a camping trip every year.. We all got the week booked with work months in advance.
One , our main driver, said he had his boss try saying two weeks before "you can't have that" asked why and someone asked for the same week. Friend told them that's not happening as he already had it booked. We still went
If I was OP in the last story, I would have reported the manager to HR, warning them of the consequences if they tried to fire me, and gone on the holiday anway
Showed up at the house? I oversee a large team and I only know the vague area most of them live, not the actual address. I'd have to go to HR for that and then probably get told to rightly to go away. That is psychopathic behaviour. I mean it looks utterly mental. That boss needs to be volunteered for psychiatric treatment. However, if it was one of my middle managers who'd done that to one of their team, they would do well to retain their job after something like that
I think it was in the short that I mentioned that The Boss showing up at someone's house should get immediate calls to HR *and the cops* for that.
I personally will tell any boss who wants me to come in at their convenience if they tell me instead fo ask my rate in increased by 10X for that period if you want me to even consider it.
If my Boss turned up at my house unannounced I'd never be going back to work!
Pretty sure that would be harassment and could be reported to police where i'm from.
Your boss shouldn't be contacting you on holiday, end of. Block or ignore any contacts from work, simple.
Where I work they would schedule us to work on our days off during our vacations, we had to Unionize to stop that practice!
I worked somewhere where I had asked to work from 7:30 am to 4:30 pm. Other people in the office did similar hours to pick kids up and all that. It was a big department and there were people there till 5 so shifts were covered. The head of the department called me in to ask me why I needed the time off as I didn’t have a spouse or kids to take to things. I just said “you can’t legally ask me that. What does it matter my marital status and if I have kids” I did get the time changed but also started looking for another job.
Just when I think I've heard them all, I'm shocked by yet another Annual Leave story!
5:00
5x the pay, it starts the moment I leave the hotel and stops when I get back to it. You arrange all the taxis and flights and pay for them upfront.
And I want this all in writing and signed off before we start
My bosses have become concerned by how much annual leave i have accrued.
The easiest way to stop a lot of this is to leave your cell phone behind.
Don’t answer it.
There is a reason why people were happier back in the day. The office couldn’t get a hold of you. You’re on vacation, people just lived without you. The employee came back energized cause they didn’t have to work. No stress, no mess.
This all just supports my position that your boss should legitimately fear physical reprisal for screwing with you. Forget about company policy. Forget about legal remedies. We're getting about federal law. Your boss should know that if he or she screws with you, you're likely to be injured.
I don't let employers/clients have my personal phone or email. Current client (I am a contractor) doesn't even have my address.
Why do people answer calls from there job when on leave?
Had a girl, Jenny, in accounting (of course) who'd booked (for two weeks, with fam) and just left (Monday) from Utah to Germany. That night, her boss tried to say that she had to be back on Wednesday.
She said it would cost her tens of thousands of dollars to do that.
Boss got in trouble for spending about $25k (from what we heard) instead of just pulling in a temp for two days. Jenny gave her two weeks notice the day she got back.
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I was given two montgs to use my remaining three weeks holiday by end of March but my manager kept coming up with excuses.
With one month to go i left a final request to take the last three weeks only to have a response saying it wasn't possible and i couldn't carry them forward.
Following week he quit and his boss allowed me to carry them forward.
I had that happen to me, but about a month of "never a good time" vacation and plenty of time to accrue more. I *announced* that I'd be taking off most of December and a good chunk of November, as I wasn't about to lose so much as a single minute of vacation time.
That pne that showed up at their house, would have given me an easy out for a labor lawyer. "I was removed from the schedule unjustly, because I didn't answer my personal phone on my day off"
That boss would have found himself in hot water for sure.
I remember once my director called me and I told her i snuck off to Florida and took days off to do so.
She said " Way to go". Thst is why I liked my job so much
And for that second... human... would hear this "alright then, first class from Dubai with Emirates (year worth of salary where I live), otherwise, forget this and consider this my notice."
For the first story: I am quite sure both will be working really hard. Finding another job!
The one where HR gave him a warning that one was wrong in so many ways. How can the boss/manager and HR be so stupid and idiotic. All of them are bad anyway
Love your video btw.
I manage a B&B on a small island. I was flying back the afternoon before I was due back to work. My boss was at the runway to meet me. I thought that this was really nice of them to come to pick me up. Unfortunately not so nice. He tells me that he has 2 rooms that were not able to check in when they arrived because the rooms were occupied. They have my number and will contact me when they are returning to the house.He was leaving on the return of the flight I arrived on. I was expected to start working immediately even though I was still on vacation until the following day
My department manager's vacation was canceled by the company's owner. He was forced to cancel his western hunting trip.
He made preparations for us, as the projects were moved into production. He wasn't actually needed at this point.
He quit the company, leaving a large hole in capabilities and tribal knowledge. That would be felt until the day the company closed 8 year later.
The reason why (some) bosses behave like this is very, very simple: they are incompetent, uncaring narcissists.
"Hi boss, I'm not an on-call employee, but if you need me that badly, my on-call rates are [5x normal rate]/hr. But you should note that my Broken Appointment rates are [20x normal rate]/hr for the duration of these special shifts."
A common thread here is the business desperately needs you, but dont seem to be willing to cover expenses or sweeten the pot?
The guy in mexico is likely at an all exclusive resort for example.
It would cost the employee more to csncel than the pay they would earn for those days!
3:09 so somewhere in this world, there is a manager who has an employee that is such a massive keystone to their team so much so its absence tanks down the whole team's productivity, and that managers thinks the best move is harassing that keystone employee?
The story at 3:00
“Oh, if I’m that essential and important to the business you clearly need to be paying me a lot more”
My boss did my attendance management meeting when I was on AL. The AL was for a funeral. The 2nd line negated the result.
How difficult it is to sue those people?
Huh? But I'm already in Mexico😂😂😂😂😂 best line ever
The text where they are recalled from holiday - don't respond, stay on holiday and when you return say you weren't available during your holiday.
Always love when they deny every PTO request throughout the year then come november and december you can't cause they black out the whole month and say you should have used it earlier in the year.
I had an absolute prick of a of a boss on my previous job who demanded (among many of the other demands), that I reply to his emails within 24 hours. I still have PTSD because of that prick!
This is why you don’t answer phone while away
Also story 4 tell hr to eff off
Then they’d bring you in for gross misconduct.
You must be a rubbish employee.
The correct answer is not give them your personal phone number and turn your work one off as you clock on.
What I don't understand, specifically with the Mexico situation, is why the employee is answering the phone OFF the clock. I'm certain that the employee knows who's calling and if s/he doesn't, and it comes up as anonymous or unknown, why answer the phone? I mean, if it's that important the person calling will leave a message and you can listen to it later.
These are all from America I guess. They treat their employees like crap in the States.
Yes they do. So glad I’m retired
I worked office jobs in the USA for 41 years. Nothing like that ever happened to me.
Sadly, these are from all over.
@@carriebryan1211 well you’re lucky. I worked for some certified lunatics
Nah, ahole bosses exist everywhere. It's just that in the US, it's the aholes who are writing the labor laws. 🙄
I took my phone OS and turned it to flight mode , I didnt need a massive phone bill when I got back home. But work still complained that they tried to call me but I didnt answer. Yes they forgot I was out of the country and wanted me to come in and fill in for someone.
I used to work at a place and I had put in my request for vacation 3 months ahead of time in writing to HR and got it approved. Bought my airline tickets and booked my room. 2 days before I'm supposed to go on vacation my manager tries to tell me that she has canceled my leave because the new hire is going to a wedding on the other side of the country. I said "I do not care. My vacation was approved in writing by HR 3 months ago, so whatever you told her has got nothing to do with me." She appeared absolutely shocked that I flatly refused to give up my approved vacation for a random wedding
PS. If the new hire had been asking for time so she could attend to her own wedding then of course I would have been much more understanding and accommodating. But expecting me to give up my vacation for some random stranger on the other side of the country? Nope.
Only once in my career did a boss deny my request for annual leave. He was a total wanker and I had to miss my friend's stag weekend
I was retiring and gave 30 days notice, i had 8 days vacation left over which i planned to take just before i left. My manager did not have approval so passed it to the area manager. I day before my leave this manager denied it saying there were too many people already off. A day later i found out he'd laughed and joked about cancelling my leave on a zoom meeting. I suddenly developed stress and was signed off. The man was a dick.
Any day of annual leave where I am contacted by anyone in my company that's senior to me should automatically be cancelled in the leave system to be used at another time.
#3
To: Boss
Cc: Whole Office
Okay, here's a compromise. I'll take Thursday and Friday to start my job search. I quit.
Swapped our leave? Sure. Here is the bill. (PTO for the people you were planning this trip with, plus booking costs) I expect it to be paid in full before my first leave day or i'm still going.
If my boss wanted me to swap holidays with someone I'd only agree to it if they agreed to shell out for my rebooking costs for flights, hotels and any other reservations as well as those of my families including upgrades if a 1 to 1 swap isn't available. You can't approve time off then unapprove it because of your poor planning, if you really need a specific person then you need to do a handover or train the rest of your team up to that persons level. I'm glad i work in a team where 99% of our day to day tasks are the same and if there's something important that only 1 of us knows how to do we teach each other
Boss pays for flights and to rebook holiday if he wants you back in the middle of a vacation.
If the boss had the time to show up at the employee house, he had the time to do the work himself. That is stalking. Some U.S. companies are cults.
There is a very simple solution to this problem - don't give your boss your private mobile number- he will not contact you during your holidays- btw - you aren't obliged to answer his call anyways because you're on holidays 😂
In sweden the unions are on your side. You do not need to answer when you are off the clock.
should you reply to work emails or messages during your annual leave?
No
no, they are not even legally ALLOWED to contact you, as that can be considered in some countries as working hours when contacting outside of normal contractual hours so if they did (for instance in the UK) you could request the company pay you for those times you were contacted and have conversations "about work" during your annual leave
IMHO the only reply to a boss like this is "I QUIT".
Do people *NOT* understand the word "no", and how to use it?
_"Sorry, but I swapped your and Peter's weeks of leave, and you'll need to be in next week instead."_
"No."
See how easy that was?? Or ask if The Boss will take personal responsibility for *ALL* expenses in rebooking, ie, the loss of deposits, the astronomical increase in new prices to rebook, lost time, and even covering the emotional cost of not being able to rebook X or Y because they're just not available anymore. That includes the cost of rebooking the spouse and any-/everyone else who's coming along, too. Basically hand me a blank check, which I'll make full use of.
No? Won't be held responsible? Then pssoff.
Yeah so if my annual leave has been approved, I AM taking that. But ig if you have a problem with that, I'll hand in my notice before then
I had an Indian manager tell me that I'm not entitled to my entitlements, that I have to ask and it's up to him if I get them or not.
Annual leave is not a right in America. Many jobs give it but now all and there are no standards.
The Story where the boss had everyone tell the employee how their day was hard because the employee took a day off...
I would have listened to everyone. When they finished, I would have laughed and said "I don't give a f__k." (The PG version is laughing while saying "that's crazy", and then walking away.)
What are you supposed to do with that??? The boss needs to hire more staff if one person being off can ruin everyone else's day. 😂😂😂
Not only that, but what a waste of all the employees' time! Clearly they weren't all that busy if they had time to gripe about it like that.
I always remember back in the day, my boss approved my leave but then as the year closed in on 2000 and the Y2K bug was such a fear, he needed everyone on deck. He cancelled everyone's leave but I reminded him I had given him 12 months notice, this was back before work emails or texts (at least for me and the company I worked for) were a thing and a verbal word could be accepted or rejected. He grudgingly accepted that I'd be on leave for new year's eve but seeing these stories makes me realise not only how lucky I was but how contactable we are now with our technology
First one "ok, but you pay for my tickets I now cannot use, then pay for my next flight. I'll need it in writing btw"
second story. That is a bad boss.
3rd story. Um what? re-arange flights? on short notice the price of them is always higher than if you booked before hand.
4th story... They showed up to the house? that... that is not good for anything short of no calls no shows for a week and no one has heard from that person. then cancel the shifts? I would have responded with "don't bother to schedule me anymore, you made me feel uncomfortable when you showed up"
Last story, just look them in the eye and tell them that you are going anyways, They can try and punish you after it if they wish.
I got a few gems for you. How do I send you my stories?
Yes me too. So many that I could start my own channel.
Merca
Capitalism in action.
The last one…. Drop that to me in and email. That way it’s in writing
OK boomer 😁
if you are on leave… NEVER ANSWER PHONE CALLS FROM WORK!