Leave A Job I Love For More Money?
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- Leave A Job I Love For More Money?
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Chase the money. Coworkers don’t pay your bills and don’t necessarily make work environments better. Do what’s best for your bottom line.
I agree 💯
Loyalty doesn't pay the bills.
Do remote and SAVE more. You don't want to waste 1/2 money on rent and fuel. "Science says close proximity is better?", only when I can afford to SAVE in the first place haha. Actually remote work helps deflate city costs, and helps increase suburban development.
Plus no matter how great of a company he's currently at, if he were to drop dead, God forbid, they'd replace him in the blink of an eye. A job is just that a job. Their only requirement is to pay you. If he stays and they let him go anyway would it be worth it?
so true
I don't go to work to build relationships. I go to work for money.
FACTS 💯
FACTS!!!!!!! My friends don’t pay for my retirement ! My coworkers DONT pay my bills!
Your net worth is your network. Most jobs are because of "who" you know, not what you know.
I met my first love at work. Now my love works and I stay home watching Ramsey
People often spend more time with their co workers than with their own family. Its inevitable that you will build a few relationships at your work. Work is more enjoyable if you like the ppl around you. But they aint worth 30k raise. He needs to take the job change
My wife has been working remote before the pandemic and her productivity actually went up. It depends on the person..
I save at lease an hour and a half not commuting to/from work. That's almost 14 extra hrs per week
Doubtful
@NoNonsensePC thanks I appreciate it. It also makes me happy I caused you to take time out of your life to come up with and type your reply.
Depends on the work you do
It does depend on the person, but he is speaking generally.
Take the new job. Do not be blindly loyal to a company that would fire you tomorrow 💯
Dude, take the job. Look out for yourself first. There’s no loyalty in corporate America.
Yeah. When i told my boss I had taken another position within the company all he cared about was who would assume my work. I didn’t get a congrats or nothing
Exactly. If his current company could bring in someone to do his same job for less, they would do it in a heartbeat. Caller needs to head out.
I saved so much money during the pandemic when I was working from home. I always ate lunch and made coffee at home. I didn’t have to pay for work clothes, parking, gas etc. There are definitely perks to working from home.
Remote work isn't for everyone, but I work remote and have been since covid. I think it has immense benefits that not many people are aware of since its such a new trend. I encourage everyone to at least give it a shot if its on the table.
I work from home as an engineer and there’s NO appealing reason for me to want to work in a cubicle. Boomer alert 🚨 it’s a no from me.
Preach
In my aerospace career it was in hangar,cockpit,inspection,outdoors,maintenance,etc. walking 3-5 miles a day. I'm exposed to outdoors and enjoy the weather all day everyday.
Sometimes I have to go to payroll or visit a friend in one of the admin buildings.
Soon as I get out of elevator I see a jungle of cubicles and top of heads with no windows.
I can't work that way.
You sound like another worthless millennial to me. The fact that your generation can't figure out why it's failing is sad.
@@LG123ABC
Retired at 50.
@@LG123ABC And you sound like a worthless boomer to me 🤷🏻♀️ it’s truly sad.
I have never made a lasting friendship at work. That's anecdotal but so is Dave's story about his company. I would 100% take the remote job and bank the extra 30k. If I hate it I can quit. If it hasn't been long... see if my old job can take me back. You can always quit. Who cares if he's not there when he's 30? Careers don't work like anymore.
Dave is such a boomer boss.
I work a hybrid schedule so part at home and part at the office. Great blend of both worlds. Companies that are flexible in this new work environment will have less turnover.
My firm went hybrid and I negotiated fully remote...the work is rather technical so not easy to replace people...that always helps...
@A p I run a business in addition to working full time, much easier to work both simultaneously from home
Lol I don't think you need to work in person at a job to have a social life. You can make friends outside of a work scenario with hobbies and meetup groups. Don't let work be your whole LIFE if you don't want it to be.
I'm finding that I'm making friends in the local area by wfh. It was hard to make friends at work because everyone commuted into the big city from all sorts of places. But now I go and have lunch with a few people I've met in the local area and its nice to know that they could be long standing friends cos they live near me
@@juliareadscottishpiperandh4861 love that! 🙌
@@juliareadscottishpiperandh4861 nice one maybe I can also be your friend
Loyalty to your employer gets you no where anymore. Those days are over
I would take the remote work because, If they try to shut down the whole country again, then it would be the smartest choice in my opinion
This should come with a BIG disclaimer as he has a significant interest in commercial real estate. As he mentioned before, "he is sitting in a 100 million dollar paid-for building". Going remote would shave millions off the value.
The boss has a giant empty building, so by god he's gonna have people in it? Why not sell the building to some other guy? Or better yet rent it to someone who thinks an office is necessary?
Same thing with my firm, although the went mostly hybrid...Ramsey sounds like junk place to work
Dave's losing his edge. For every supposed study coming out about how remote is bad, more spring up that say the opposite. Offices are expensive. Having workers do the job at their own house using their own electricity saves money. For every advantage for being in proximity to coworkers, there's as many or more disadvantages especially with regards to distractions. Why would I pay $3000 (or effectively $5k in salary after taxes) to work in an office that's filled with distractions?
The studies all say that workers *like* working from home better and that they *feel* more productive. But there is no proof that they are in fact being more productive.
Dave Ramsay also had a vested interest in returning to the office as he owns the property.
@@edhcb9359 Agreed but these are new studies. Obviously there are no long term studies yet.
I’m in London so we’ve been wfh since March 2020. I absolutely love it, I’ve never been happier. But Dave is a CEO and I’m a worker, so each to their own
@@gmarie3053 You’ve also been paying oppressive taxes for centuries…doesn’t make it right.
No it does not, Dave. Work from home is where it’s at. That genie is out of the bottle!!!
Cherish it. For the love of god man you got to cherish it. Bunch of animals on the roads
Working from home will destroy career advancement. Only unambitious people are proponents of it.
@@joeyf6103 Then go work for Ramsey or another individual who hates remote work. Someone would love to take your remote job.
@@summerrr1 I own my own company and I work from home. Please explain to me how I am unambitious.
@@summerrr1 I make over six figures and WFH. I'm more productive AND I have a side hustle because I don't have to commute an hour and feel destroyed when I get home.
What a situation to be in at 24. Makes me wonder where did I go wrong with my life?
probably didnt pick a STEM field that can be entirely done via a computer
@@pey7777 I have chosen a STEM field lol, it's not entirely done on the computer but I'm 10 years too late. Though, it's never too late to go back to school.
@@Primitive_Code what exactly do you do? Im a year from graduating with a bachelors in CIT so im pretty much guaranteed to get a job working from home at some point down the road
@@Primitive_Code 10 years too late?
During the pandemic, I started a job that was designed to be remote no matter what. The members of my team were from all over the country. We bonded as strongly as any in-person job could possibly have. In fact, my husband (working remotely in the next room) kept asking me why I laughed so hard during our daily “meeting”.
Right!? Same here we have workers from everywhere in the world and I feel like I have ppl to visit now in other countries!
AND I spend more time with my hubby
What kind of work do y'all do??
@@gamingnguitar4527 Wondering the same thing
Ah yes, the boomer in Dave full on display. There is no reason to not be remote unless your job specifically requires to be on the field.
He specifically explains why he does not believe in remote working in this video.
@@saulgoodman2018 He doesn't let them work from home because he spent 100 million dollars on a building that would now be unoccupied. Naturally, the value will decrease. He is extremely biased in his assessment.
@@jeanpierrerideout7560 incredibly biased and super selfish. His logical is flawed.
Not very Dave to pass up on that pay increase. That pay jump could change this guys future as we all know.
@@michaelpalumbo4880 religion has nothing to do with this, so you don’t need to be ignorant. You’re not perfect either.
"Pull out all the stops to pay off debt as fast as possible!". ... unless that means working remote, then it's a bad idea to make 30K more?
Right lol
LOL..going to the office is a HUGE distraction. People coming to my office to BS. I get far more done working remotely. Dave just wants to justify forcing people to come into the office. Coworkers are NOT family members, Im fine seeing them on zoom. Just stop Dave, and Im 47...the youngsters are right on this one. I see NO value in going all the way to the office to do the SAME EXACT work that I can do in the bedroom right next to mine. Waste of time and GAS!
You obviously have no interpersonal skills.
Its because he has money in commercial real estate. He is taking hits left and right all over his properties i bet.
Normally I agree with Dave but I think he’s biased in this particular answer. Studies have shown that ppl are more productive and save a lot of money working remote.
True. I get more distractions while in office.
Depends on the job. I'm IT (developer) working remote since March 2020. I'm as productive, but have coworkers that clearly are not. They aren't on IM, they take forever to respond to emails, and when you do call, their kids are screaming in the background. Completely depends on the person and their environment.
@DDrummer obviously not everyone does better at home but the ppl who see working from home as a selling point probably do work better from home.
Dave acknowledged his own bias. He mentioned straight away that if working from home was taken out of the equation, he might give a different answer.
@@cornypinkuni9519no cause if it was a girl hef say go for it and it’s a good idea cause it’s a guy he said “men aren’t supposed to stay home lmaoooo
I don’t understand why they discourage this move. Even if he doesn’t like the work remote , the bump in pay will show to other employers he is worth more
Dave discourages this because he has tens of millions invested in commercial real estate and he doesn't want to see his investments become less relevant. As for Dave's sidekick: he is just agreeing with his boss.
This is purely a class issue. If "working remotely" were not brought up, Dave would've correctly told him to take the job, as he's advised for like 30 years. This advice stems purely from the perceived threat to his role as an OWNER, and how ultimately he will put his ownership over your well-being 100% of the time.
I would have taken that remote job so quickly! I save so much money working from home not having to commute. Best decision I made. Dave's advice is so OLD SCHOOL. I am much more happy as a full-time remote worker. I prefer to be alone. He's dead wrong. Company loyalty is dumb. I hope he took the pay increase. It was a significant pay increase.
Work from home definitely increases productivity. Been working from home way before the pandemic. Dave is old school so he prefers in office work. I respect his views but young people are looking for more flexibility.
Skewed opinion about remote work, as he said. He spent millions on the building so he’s not changing soon, if ever. I say, GO FOR IT, your fellow co-workers are probably looking, too. Things change so fast in a workplace, don’t stay for 30 grand at your age, buh-bye. Note Dave didn’t ask about his debt!!!! Maybe he has an income problem! I say take the awesome new job. Congrats!
Judging by the comments section, this might have been Dave's poorest advice ever.
It has been. Hands down
Nah his video 'Don't Trust Blockchain' aged horribly and was significantly worse that this...
@@samirdevechi8589 Well now I have to look this one up.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of useless millennials infesting the comments section. They have no concept of hard work or teamwork so Dave's comments make no sense to them -- which is why he's rich and they will never be.
You are 24...the odds are you won't be at the same company in five years anyway. Take the money....if you don't like the new job after three years that OK go find one paying $120k
I am experiencing something similar at the moment. My new employer offered me 40k more and my current employer counter offered the new offer. I decided to leave because my current employer did not see my value and was underpaying me.
I'm literally here right now. I appreciate the "raise" but I can't help but feel slighted now. How's everything working out for you?
I 💯 disagree! I love working from home 🏡! I will NEVER 👎 go back to the office! Unless it’s my own company
Yep ! I agree. Work life balance is better
@@plezilakay1214 agreed
Evolve or Extinction
Dave, you gotta stop with the "remote is bad" mindset..
Lol it's his show. He can say whatever he wants.
@@Jumperman12mac oh so true..and, lose people that tune in. lol.hahaha
@@TD-pc9ye He is sitting on $100 million dollar commercial real estate fully paid for. No remote work for his staff, he need to fill up those office buildings.
@Dog Mutt By "boomer" I assume you mean "winner" because your attitude is typical of the younger generation that isn't doing as well.
Go make that money Ryan. You're still young. You can still socialize with previous co-workers over the weekend or in the evening. With remote working, you will save on gas and putting mileage on your car. So it's like getting $40k pay increase. You could save they $30k-$40k and invest in a house.
Great points!
Not sure where Dave gets his information because research says that people are more productive if they are allowed to work from home at least some of the time. So much so that countries around the world are developing national work from home policies.
This wasn’t even about working from home. Does he have debt? Would the extra 30k help get out faster? What’s the motivation behind making more? Is it climbing the ladder of career or is he content where he is and the money he’s making??? Remote has little to do with it
such great points. Papa Dave was out of touch on this one. 30k extra a year being 50% and Papa D is obsessed with not working in an office. Why is he not doing the numbers to give the guy millionaire status or better in the near future.
Yeah, Ramseys distaste for remote work clouded his judgment quite a bit. Didn't even ask necessary questions about his current finances etc.
Remote working is definitely not bad for productivity in software. It's been happening for a long time. Some big companies are entirely remote.
You can't do a bad job and miss deadlines without people knowing that.
Ramsey full it. Take that job young man.. then if you're tired of it in 24 months. Find something else... you're freaking 24. This Is how you gain experience
Dave is biased in this. He is an employer and he will be against remote work.
Remote work isn’t for everyone. If you’re not super tech savvy, remote work sucks. I was happy to return to the office because I’m not super tech savvy and having IT staff around to help me and to be able to talk to people face to face instead of having to tinker around with zoom is so much better for those of us who aren’t super tech savvy.
I’d have to disagree. I wfh and never been happier!💛
I would go with the remote job with more money. It’s nice to have great relationships with your coworkers, but they aren’t paying your bills.😅
I LITERALLY just had that situation happen to me. I took the new job.
Edit- my bosses had just given me a sweet promotion. But within the same company in another department, that director wanted me on their team. The professional opportunities and pay were too hard to pass up. So far I don't regret it, but I miss the heck out of my old bosses and co workers. I tried not to burn any bridges
Wow thanks for your input. my new job offer is salary vs. my current is hourly, so I can make more with my current job, considering OT and bonuses, but I see a better income growth with the new job offer. It really is hard to let go of a team that you’ve bonded well with, but in the end of the day, only you can take care of yourself.
@@NoneYa-pg6dk Gotta eat... How's it going?
I don't live in the states, but an extra £30k would be game changer over here!
Besides....extra 30grand a year... Or nice colleagues? Easy choice imo
Follow opportunity and take your passions with you
Remote work has made my life significantly better. I made way more money since going remote, got a promotion and I get to spend time with my newborn. Going into work should be out of necessity (doctor, pilot etc) or choice (some dont have the infrastructure and space to work from home). Otherwise it's archaic thinking.
Co workers move, companies change. Do what’s best for you.
More and more I think some people are calling in with these no brainer questions for Dave to expose himself. I mean, 30% pay bump with the opportunity to work remotely and you are telling this guy don't do it?
Take the 90k. Keep the 80k and move 10k into investments. WFH is awesome and you will at least have a baseline pay if you move onto something else later. You will regret your decision if you stay and then lose that job.
A job you love is PRICELESS..... yes if it's a significant pay increase its so hard to justify not leaving but I worked for years at a place I HATED and made good money it sucks its even hard to wake up for work when you hate it
Same here, struggling to get out of the house for work. I liked my previous job, didn't have that problem.
Let Freedom Ring:
I agree. I would rather work at a job I actually love for $12/hour than work at a job I hated for $20/hour and be miserable. Sometimes the grass looks greener on the other side of the fence until you get over there. Also, I wouldn't drive to a gas station 25 miles away just to save 10¢ a gallon on gas. I noticed, when I was in school, that if I liked the teacher and the subject that I enjoyed the class, learned more and easier, and made better grades.
@@heavenbound7 yes i agree with your point 100% but for this guy being 24 years old he should make the move to explore his life. It's bad advice to not take that pay raise.
He is 24, most likely it is his job and first experience with full-time coworkers. He just does not have anything to compare with.
Like Dave always says, live like no one else so that later you can live like no one else. Easiest decision of his life to take the new job.
Dave goes off on his anti remote rant.
Remember remote work isn't an isn't an issue when they have people overseas doing it. 😅
I prefer not having to be around people and their annoying habits.
90k will go A LONG WAY working from home especially in Colorado, take the 90 now
Dave I disagree that remote working is less productive. It depends on your field. In areas of IT remote working is actually more productive, especially in companies that are spread out amount states and countries.
If you are all in the same physically location then ok there is the case to be made.
loyalty to a employer sounds nice..till they don't want you and tell you the same day .loyalty to a point but always to your self first
For me the main question is how much do you need to cover your needs, how much do you ow in debt, which are your financial goals. Which are your life goals. How much can you grow in your current company? How much worklife balance do you have in your current company, would you have in a future company? So many variants above more money or not.
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I started working from home before the pandemic because the office was super distracting. I also think I should put on headphones only if I want to listen to music, not to block out people taking meetings at their desk because of a lack of conference room space. I had noticed on the occasional WFH day that I wasn't distracted and got a lot more done. Before then I didn't like working from home but I liked using sick days (when sick enough to stay home but not too sick) less. It's a matter of working from home intentionally. Get up at a regular time. Change out of whatever you wear for PJs (pants too).
Working from home. Save gas ⛽️. Save lunch 🥗. Save coffee ☕️. I WOULD NEVER 👎 GO BACK TO THE OFFICE!!! Boomer Dave
The new normal
I’m 25 in GA and in a similar dilemma. I have a CDL and I’ve been working at Coca Cola for two and a half years. I’ve managed to be promoted from a delivery route into Sales after my first year. Sales is still my current role and I’m making 60k a year. I was just offered a delivery job with Sysco (Food service delivery) with a base pay of $85-90k plus incentives and a $15,600 sign on bonus. I love Coke and have been told by my supervisors and branch managers I have great future opportunities for a management role, but who knows how long that could take. My overall long term plan is to invest heavily into my Roth, 401k and create financial freedom. While the money at Sysco is great what’s got me caught up is the risk of wear and tear on your body doing constant physical work. While my sales role is not as physical the money just isn’t there. Any advice? Thanks!
I think a hybid option is best. 60% at work 40% at home.
Allows to keep up on day to day responsibilities, cuts down on pollution.. but seriously being forced to take a shower and get dressed is good for your mental health.
Having worked fully remote as well as in the office (and a hybrid mix of both), there’s certainly pros and cons to all.
I'm a fan of the hybrid solution. Love to see people, but also enjoy getting more sleep when working from home. No commute makes a huge difference on telework days.
Take the new job!! Employers have no loyalty to you.
As someone who was working full remote before the pandemic I saw a huge impact on my quality of life because of the pandemic. I could no longer take my kids to parks or museums or go out with friends. Remote work only sucks because of the pandemic so any study coming out now is going to be more negative than it should be.
I work hybrid and I can say without question. I am more efficient when I’m at home than I am when I go into the office.
And I’m trying to work to become fully remote because the city I live in is expensive and if I can work remote, I can move to a more affordable area.
This also may seem jaded, but from my experience, being loyal to a company, doesn’t work out in your interest in the end because ultimately the companies goals are for the company and not for you as the employee I’ve been laid off before like a number on a sheet so you need to do whatever you can to both career wise and financially set yourself up.
Terrible advice! He clearly states that he is replaceable at his current employer. Don't show loyalty where it is not returned. Boomer advice, smh.
Also advise from a man with hundreds of millions tied up in commercial real estate. Not exactly an unbiased opinion.
New data shows Dave has higher productivity working from home. Good job, Dave.
My company undervalues me it’s unbelievable your channel encouraged me to find better and a much higher salary
I have a hybrid work from home situation, but 90% of the time I'm working from home. I've actually turned down several job offers in the past year that pay at least $30k more a year because they don't offer work from home. I'd have to drive to an office 30 miles away every day. They also require overnight stay out of town depending on where the job sites are, and I don't want to work 60 hours a week on average. The extra money would be nice, but I'd never have the free time to enjoy it, plus I'm debt free with a paid off house, no kids, and the wife and I make enough to easily cover our cost of living expenses. I don't need the extra money if I have to sacrifice my personal time for it.
That little speech at the end is the perfect answer
Companies arent loyal to you. Take advantage of the money and opportunity to learn
WFH is becoming a HUGE perk in many industries. Options are going to be key in hiring.
"You should go in there and say I got a higher job offer but I'm not going to take it because I value this company so much" 😂😂😂😂
Dave should cite the studies he’s referencing…it might make sense if you’re in like sales, but network dev? website maintenance? There’s no need to go in and companies who offer remote work are going to become that much more attractive.
If he takes the job and doesn't change his lifestyle, invests the 30k in retirement accounts he'd have ~$2m at 65. Passing up this opportunity is the dumbest stupid tax you could pay. You will regret it the rest of your life. Please take the job we're begging you.
I love not commuting but I'm definitely less productive working from home and I miss having coworkers.
If the work environment is about equal in both companies then I would not leave $30k on the table. Either the current employer matches now or you take the other job. I would take the other job and work remote. Move to a cheaper cost of living state/city and save more. If long term studies show it is better to work from the office then you have plenty of years on hand to make those types of moves. Loyalty is a one way street in the corporate world and not many companies know how to develop and retain a talent.
I should also add that do not compare only the base salary difference. Is the overall package (that includes cash bonus, stock bonus, 401(k) match etc.) more than $30k?
Pays millions of dollars on a building, won't allow remote workers to avoid it being a stupid tax.
Dave just doesn't want his people to work remote 🤣. He just built a huge office building and is freaking out
WFH does not work for everyone because it depends on the job and interactions with others. As web developers, WFH has been the greatest thing for my company. We saved on rental spaces per month, time wasted in traffic, gas, etc. Work is the same, just different setting.
I love working from home for programming jobs. The time I save for commuting allow me to workout and socialize
Wow, that's the best advice I've ever heard!
Why be loyal to a company that doesn’t pay you what you’re worth?
Take the money. This is crazy talk
I LOVE THIS NEW GUY! He’s cool
I feel awful for those working for this loggerhead..go get yourself a remote job, enjoy your freedom and be more productive all at the same time!
Dave once said he has over 400 IT people working for his company…something like that. Can anyone tell me what 400+ IT people would do at a company such as Dave’s? I’m very very curious. Love the show.
Take the remote job!
The cost of living in Denver is insane. Take the job. Remote work isn’t the devil Ramsey says it is
Work from home gang. Don't listen to boomers
To be honest I think people deserve hybrid. The option to work from home if needed but I agree working in person is SO MUCH better. I have the same dilemma as this guy. I'm 28. Would be leaving an admin role for a new role that's hybrid ( I could work from home forever or work on office forever).
Successfully working remote depends on the person. I'm productive because I also have a business that allows me to engage in project management and creating relationships. I'm also in Toastmasters and I continue developing my public speaking skills. When I was in the office, it was a waste of time and energy. Tolerating fake situations in order to soothe someone else's ego. Eating junk food (cookies, cake and other junk) to show management that "we're a strong team". There's a lot less fakeness now🥳
Adds value to this show
Boo to the company. You’re not doing anything wrong. Make your money and make the switch.
IT companies in India, deployed remote working during pandemic and their productivity bumped up significantly. And my rough guess is that over 20 million people work in IT in India.
24 making 90k go for it
When he said “24”..... wow
“Tacky” was such a weird word for Dave to use in the case of getting a pay increase at a new job vs a raise at a current job. Dave sits on $200M, I’m sure he will think it’s tacky. A person that makes $70K is not tacky for providing more for themselves. I thought “income was our greatest wealth building tool” lol
Depends upon job type… or phase of a project. Blended work is best with a few days every couple of weeks.
Places can’t always offer you more!
To each his own. If the company adds the benefit of a home office payment, then fine. If they don't, you're effectively doing the same job for far less money. Your choice. Choose well.
I agree with Dave, plus this guy is only 24. Seems like his company likes him quite well. I recently found a job that pays me better than my old job for the same position...but it also comes with way more peace . I don't think I would leave this job for a raise somewhere else....lots of things come in to play when finding a new job
Boomer-Dave, horrible advice! Dave wants folks to drive Uber for extra money but wants this caller to justify leaving a job for $30K MORE MONEY and the flexibility/comfort of working from home.
Coworkers do fit the human need for interaction but don't base your decisions on how the company feels. Listen to yourself.