God is not evil nor the author of sin. I am a living testimony, for I was evil and lived an evil life by my own choice. But Jesus came and saved me. His grace ( power) delivered me from sin ( evil). Now God uses me to deliver the good news to other evil, sinners. I witness as each one of them grow to believe Jesus is real, through the wisdom and knowledge God gave me is shared with them. I then witness as some choose to accept Jesus and repent, and others chose to ignore what they now no is true. Praise God for he is good.
good statement of faith. However there are no statements above for or against TULIP, so I don't know what baggage you put in words like 'author' or 'grace'.
@@heftymagic4814 Points of Calvinism Total depravity: We don’t have free choice is just and illusions because we are bound to sin God does have free will and we are all subject matter to The Holy God and God run everything every thought everything is runned by God Unlimited election: God.choose at random to ho to save who to dam Perseverance of The Saints: God predestined true believers to persevere to the end and be saved Irresistible Grace: When God pours out his grace the person can’t reject it and it attracts him and he as not power to reject it but to accept it Limited Atonement: Jesus only die for the sins of The saints not the world
This has been a question in my mind for a long time. I have been wondering for awhile why God made sin if it is so evil. This explanation makes a lot of sense to me.
Such a great video. Helped me a lot back when (and even today) a preacher told me that God "orchestrates" child rape, that it is "of God," that God chooses not to prevent the abuse, and everything that happens is "supposed" to happen. For a while I was completely heartbroken, overcome with sorrow and despair, desperate to prove to myself that the preacher spoke lies. Thanks to a few people and basic logic, I did find my way out of the fog. It's a wonderful thing to believe in and know the God who is love, the God I can respect, adore, love in return.
Bless you Jesse for this video. The rise of Calvinism in are times has so saddened me, and it is growing in are times. It’s shocking and frightening. London UK.
"The doctrine of predestination as maintained by rigid Calvinists is very shocking, and ought utterly to be abhorred, because it charges the most Holy God with being the author of sin". - John Wesley
The bible clearly teaches predestination in Romans 8,9,10,11 Ephesians 1,2 , 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 , 2 Timothy 1:9 , John 15:27 ,17:6,9. John Wesley was VERY mistaken . Dead Wrong
bibletheology Calvinists are defenders of their right to sin with of a form of piety that "has a form of godliness but denies its power"...yay even blasphemes the Sovereign God they appear to praise.
Paul.E Tedder ουχι φιλε μου. τουτο βιβλιον ουκ λεγει τουτο. Switching from NT greek, uh no it does not. prohorizo in Ephesians for instance is a bad translation.. it is foresight not predestination. pro = before horizo => where we get horizon in English... as in seeing off in the distance, in advance. horao means see and its variants have to do with seeing and knowing because of seeing. Not fate, aka predestination. Take a closer look at these epistles as letters. The chapter and verse divisions were imjected in the past 800 years. Their chapter divisions are NOT INSPIRED APOSTOLIC contextual divisions.. be careful. Many of them lead people to take things out of context and hence to draw wrong conclusions.
@callofchrist Is God the author of everything? “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace” (1 Cor. 14:33). Clearly, God is not the "sovereign" cause of all things.
This is my 3rd viewing of this video over the years. Thank you Jessie for this accurate and well thought-out presentation {Not about the false teaching of Calvinism} but about the Goodness of God.
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Calvinism goes against what we are taught in the Bible about how to live our lives as Christians, pure and holy, and obedient to the Lord our God.
Dave Boocks Excuse me, I don't believe I am above reproach. I'm sorry, my statement was arrogant. I was wrong to assume that ALL Calvinists are being abominable and disobedient. I must say tho, that Calvinism deserves reproach, because it is a dangerous man made religion that goes against what the Bible teaches.
Mellomoon Haze Now see I strongly dissagree with you that it's a "Dangerouse Man Made Religeon" Let's take the idea that the trem "Calvinism" is used to describe the fundimental belief system i.e. Predestination, Depravity of man, etc. Now I know you're going to go into "pelagianism", But I just dissagree. Did you know that early "Anabaptists" were persicuted by both Roman Catholic & Protestants? They weren't Calvinists yet they believed in alot of the "Calvinist" beliefes. I don't follow Calvin, but hold to the 5 points as well as alot to what he held to, but not all. I tend to believe that your common view of theology is dangerous due to how the view that God sits up there with a big tear in his eye, waiting & begging for man to choose Him. Sorry, but that's a whimpy god. I serve a Mighty God that none can stay his hand. If you want to get into the particulars, we can. I don't serve a wuss.
Dave Boocks Your comment: "I tend to believe that your common view of theology is dangerous due to how the view that God sits up there with a big tear in his eye, waiting & begging for man to choose Him." That is definately NOT the God I serve. I don't know where you get that "whimpy god" idea. I serve a merciful, and JUST God, and anyone who is not FOR him, is AGAINST him, and that means they serve him, or they serve another God, be it their own bellies, or Satan.
Mellomoon Haze I am referring to the common Arminian view of God. Do you think God sits out there somewhere waiting on man to choose him? That's the Arminian view of "Free Will". I'm sure you're aware of the 5 points of Arminian & hold to them. So back to your original insult "Calvinism goes against what we are taught in the Bible..." Can you name some examples?
klausmkl You can’t choose God. The scriptures say not one person even seeks God. If that poses a problem for you because it creates questions that you can’t live with, that’s your own problem for questioning God’s all knowing power and sovereignty.
@@villarrealmarta6103 sooo....how do you explain satan? Choosing to try to usurp God? Oh what's this? God predestined him to want to usurp him and bring 2/3 of the angels with him... By your reasoning of Calvinistic belief system every homosexual, atheist, reprobate, etc were predestined for hell....which makes God a respector of persons which is diametrically the opposite of what scripture states...Acts 10:34....conditions yes, people no..
Villarreal Marta Yes, Romans 3:11 says no one seeks God. Then 3:12 explains it: “They are all gone out of the way, they are together BECOME unprofitable.” Rom. 1 says they knew of God simply by observing the creation, but they CHOSE to reject him. They made that choice and they did not seek God. Later, Paul says how can one repent if there is no preacher for them to hear? So when those people HEAR the Gospel preached, now they know, and after that they choose whether or not to walk with God. The Bible is jam packed with verses telling all people to CHOOSE him. “How long will you sit on the fence and not choose him?” he asks. God has gifted everyone with the ability to chose. Why? So we can LEARN to become wise and filled with his grace when we make decisions for him instead of choosing against him.
@@villarrealmarta6103 You don't know what you are talking about. We are drawn to God, yes he draws us in, John 6:44. Christ knocks at the door but it is you who opens it. Rev 3:20. If you do not open he will not come in. So there is a choice. Otherwise the scriptures would not say what they do.
Polski Girl if we go go the other direction and do not look to God that is the fault of man. But if we turn to God and repent that is the work of God. A man must be born again Jesus told Nicodemus. This takes childlike faith to believe, that’s why Jesus said unless you become like a little child you can have no place with me. Little children don’t question the Lord, they simply believe and let God be God. You have much more to learn about the word “Grace” (undeserved favor) that God gives to those he has chosen. The scriptures teach all these things and we can’t ignore them.
Calvin has access to the secret counsels of God? And the rest of us dont have access to it? It is supposed to be secret how did Calvin able to know this secret? My conclusion: Calvinism creates a god according to their image.
I love what the Lord is doing in Jesse Life and ALL who hear him. Lovely teaching . Pulling weeds out of Christianity like A true shepard. Jesus in Him !
Calvinism is the epitome of Satanic evil. Check out what the following Calvinist apologists had to say regarding sin and evil: 1) Loraine Boettner - "Even the fall of Adam, and through him the fall of the race, was not by chance or accident, but was so ordained in the secret counsels of God" - In his book, "The Reformed doctrine of Predestination, page 234 2) Jerom Sanchius - "Surely, if God had not willed the fall, He could, and no doubt would, have prevented it; but He did not prevent it: ergo, He willed it. And if He willed it, He certainly decreed it." - In his book, "The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination" page 88. 3) A.W. Pink - "Plainly it was God's will that sin should enter this world, otherwise it would not have entered, for nothing happens save as God has eternally decreed. Moreover, there was more than a bare permission, for God only permits that which He has purposed." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 147, (1961). 4) A.W. Pink - "Not only did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 249 5) Edwin Palmer - "It is even Biblical to say that God has foreordained sin. If sin was outside the plan of God, then not a single important affair of life would be ruled by God." In his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism" page 82 6) William Shedd - "Nothing comes to pass contrary to his desire. Nothing happens by chance. Even moral evil, which He abhors and forbids, occurs "by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God." In his book, "Calvinism: Pure and Mixed, page 37, 1986. 7) J. Gresham Machen - "All things including even the wicked actions of wicked men and devils -- are brought to pass in accordance with God's eternal purpose." In his book, "Christian View of Man, page 46, 1965. 8) William Shedd - "Sin is one of the "whatsoevers" that have "come to pass", all of which are "ordained". In his book, "Calvinism" Pure and Mixed, page 31, 1986.
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid! How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
My perspective and opinion do not matter whatsoever! The Philippian jailer asked "What must I do to be saved?" Paul and Silas answered "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you WILL be saved" Acts 16:31 "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, let him take the water of life freely." Rev 22:17 Won't YOU come, "whosoever will" may come and "take the water of life freely"
@callofchrist All that shows is that the Westminster contradicts itself, as they say that God "decreed whatsoever cometh to pass." They might object to the phrase "God is the author of sin" but they certainly do not object to the concept.
@callofchrist I used to be a Calvinist. And I've been studying Reformed Theology for ten years. How long have you been a Calvinist? Maybe I know the truth about Calvinism that you are still apparently ignorant of.
Great job brother! your quotes around 46 to 48 min point from Calvinists saying God foreordained sin (evil) so that the glory of God might be revealed... exposes how these Calvinists speak (deceive) so that the glory of Satan might be believed.
Yes.. Amen! Romans 16:17-18 KJV 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Why is it you Calvinists are so hung up on denying your moral responsibility to turn from sin? Look at Ephesians 5:1-7 What happens if you refuse to turn from sin as a believer? The wrath of God comes upon you. How about 2 Peter 2:20,21? What happens if a believer turns back to his sinful nature? It will be WORSE for him, and it would have been BETTER for him to have NEVER known Christ. This is also confirmed in Hebrews 10:26-31 Those who WILLFULLY turn back to sin, will face the wrath of God, as they treat the blood of Christ as a common thing! 2 Thessalonians 1:8 Fiery judgement awaits those who deny Christ, or DISOBEY Christ. (AKA continuing in Sin!) Romans 6:31, the verse evangelists love to use for "Romans road": "The wages of sin is death." What's the context? Paul is telling believers to stop sinning! This wage for sin, is FOR BELIEVERS that refuse to stop sinning! This is why James states; "Faith without works is dead." Indeed, faith that doesn't produce obedience results in your death, as you will be paid the wages of your sinful nature, even if you believe in Christ. As Paul tells us in Colossians 3:25: But he who does wrong will be repaid for what he has done, and there is no partiality. Think on that last word. Why would we believers have _partiality_? For Believing in God. Paul is making it clear, that if you disobery God and keep sinning, you will face the SAME JUDGEMENT as the non Believer! There is NO partiality!
Philippians 4:13 KJV 13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Praise the Lord! Even obey Him! Hallelujah!! "We're saved by grace alone. And as a result of faith in Jesus Christ and His grace - the fruit of that..is we are now living a holy life. Saving faith will result in an obedient life to God. We need to repent and believe as a condition of mercy, and the fruit of repentance and belief in Christ will result in an obedient life - not justification by works (trying to earn or deserve salvation). Changing our mind about breaking Gods commandments is to keep His commandments..which will then bear the fruit of living holy for Him." ~ Jesse Morrell
God was even able to use Joseph' betrayal (Gen. 50:20) God can work with the situations that He is given and them incorporate into His plans. But that does not mean that God controls or causes the free moral choices of men. We have a God who “worketh all things after the counsel of his own will” (Eph. 1:11) He can make “all things work together for the good of them that love God” (Rom. 8:28). God works with all things. It is one thing to work with all things and quite another to cause all things
The most God-slandering, satanic heresy ever spawned by the devil himself is that put forth by Lake of Fire-bound Calvin. Thanks for this video presentation.
Excellent information - please help me understand why predestination preordained is also mentioned in the Bible and exemplified in scripture? For example, Saul was not a believer when he was chosen. Also, Christ picked his disciples and said, “you did not choose me I chose you” also, obviously Christ was predestined from Old Testament scripture,. Then there’s the “no one can resist the call of the Father.” I’m not sure this can be explained because it appears we have free will but some and scripture states predestination scripture. I’m just trying to make sense of something I think only God can, either way, need to shine and spread gospel.
D F Saul was chosen to be an apostle. Not only that but he feared God and thought that he was doing God a favour by persecuting the church. The bible says that all who feared God from the Old Covenant would be given to Jesus in the new covenant. Peter also feared God and Jesus said that Nathanael was an Israelite indeed in whom was no guile. These men were chosen because they feared God. The Gentiles in Acts 13 also feared God. They would come to Jesus as well as prophesied. We can look at scripture on all of this if you like. God bless
Evan U Hi, thanks for the reply. Of course after someone accepts God they are fearful and relieved because they know the truth. However, there’s many false religions that fear their satanic god too.
D F The prophecies specifically said those that feared God would be healed by Jesus.... Mal 3: 16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. 17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. Mal 4: 1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. Isa 65: 8 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. 9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. 10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me. 11 But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. 12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not. 13 ¶ Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: 14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit. 15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: Notice when it refers to God’s servants or those that fear Him? They will be made into His jewels and be called by another name. That’s the faithful remnant. They would be given to Jesus in the new covenant. He would give them rest from the old covenant laws. That’s what the New Testament says as well. Jhn 8: 42 ¶ Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. Jhn 11: 51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; 52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one 👉🏻the children of God 👈🏻that were scattered abroad. Jhn 17: 6 ¶ I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: 👉🏻thine they were, 👈🏻and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. They were already the Father’s. Those are the ones that were given to Jesus. They were of God and loved the Father. There are many other passages as well but I need to get to bed. If you’d like to discuss this further let me know. I can give you more evidence tomorrow if you’re interested. God bless.
While I agree with a lot of what you say here, I think we need to be careful. Yes, God gave us the ability to choose. However, we have all sinned and fallen short. No flesh will be justified by the law. God actually tells us what the condemnation is: that Light came into the world but men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. None of us can save ourselves by works of the law. However, we can each choose to repent and trust in Christ for our salvation.
Calvinists: buT No CALviNiSt says God IS THe AUthOR Of sIN! No, you don't have to say it when it is a logically necessary implication of what you did say...
“Whosoever” disproves Calvinism ALL we who know God is love, know from 1 John 1:5, that "in him is no darkness whatsoever"; and we furthermore know, from 1 John @ that "All that is in the world, the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." God foreknew his blessings for those, in him, would be blessed with the same blessings he chose for those he foreknew - Israel would be his people (Jacob's people), as well as whosoever believes in him, through their belief in Jesus Christ, the firstborn unto Salvation, whose co heirs, are all who believe in him, "whosoever" as John @ states, without one "but" added to it, but what is stated in it "but have eternal life." Calvinists have confused foreknowledge with authorship, and this argument just proved that God is light, in him is no darkness whatsoever, man is responsible for his sins, and thank God for Jesus Christ, in that, through him alone we can have eternal life - "WHOSOEVER" believes in him. Paul, in Galatians chapter 5, argues over Peter's blindsightedness of the circumcised and uncircumcised by stating "I wish they were cut off," (Galatians @ - meaning - those agitators would both be excommunicated as well as, disemboweling themselves), and with such colorful arguments, audacity, and sense of finality, he demonstrated truly, God's hatred of SELF-righteousness, versus his love, shown in his mercy towards sinners turning towards him, whose reward is Salvation, sealed the Moment they believe in he who forgives the sins of the entire world, as clearly shown in Ephesians @-14, which illustrates the role played by the Holy Spirit, sealing the promise and blessings of eternal life, for whosoever believes. Salvation is a gift of God, whose love cannot be removed, as Paul stated in Romans @-39, and is for ALL who believe in him, Jew and Gentile alike. God, help Calvinists of all shades and colors see through and beyond their filter; and instead, use the lens of the Holy Spirit, who shall remind them of everything Jesus said through his Word, instead of leaning unto John Calvin's understandings, stemming from his incorrect assessment, as he argued "we are doomed from the womb." No, we are not; "whosoever believes" proves otherwise...
Is God the author of everything? “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace” (1 Cor. 14:33). Clearly, God is not the "sovereign" cause of all things.
I watched the video and made note of the scripture references. I found the scripture in Luke 7:30 about the Phrarisees rejecting God's council (Matthew 7 goes up to verse 29). I have to say. Excellent video. God gave us the power of our divine choice. There are times when God will intervene to favour those who chose to serve him with a willing heart. Or allow stuff to happen to test our Character as in the case of Job. However if we are not brain damaged our free will and choice remains. Which is why God makes miracle healing and deliverance available because free choice is supposed to be every humans right and demons and evil people and, defects in our human flesh because of man's fall, have sought to take it away. However it remains that everyone is accountable for the deeds done in their body on the day of Judgement. Once again great video. It's definately going on my playlist. God bless.
The God of Calvin predestines people to hell with no opportunity for salvation. This somehow glorifies his "Sovereignty." I never realized how grotesque this doctrine was until I began to study it. Given the choice, I am quite certain the majority of humanity headed for hell would have much preferred never to be born under these conditions. Its funny, I only see one group of proud arrogant men that constantly rail against Catholics, Orthodox, Pentecostals, and just about any other denomination that does not line up with their heresy. You guessed it, the Calvinists. MacArthur, Piper, Sproul, White, Durban to name a few. When we study the events that lead to reformation, I think we can all agree the Catholic Church needed to be reformed. The sale of indulgences, clerical offices, had made it wealthy and carnal, but I don't think we needed this. The "cure" is far worst than the disease.
Free will is not a bible doctrine, it's just a fact of life. "This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now CHOOSE life...." Dt 30:19 Jesus told some Jews "these are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you REFUSE to come to me to have life" Jn 5:40 (not because they weren't elect, they CHOSE not to come) "...and whosoever WILL let him take the water of life freely" Rev 22:17
The Scriptures say that the "goodness of God leads us to repentance". It also says I was dead in my trespasses and sins, and He quickened me. What ever true seeking that leads to savlation that we have, comes FROM GOD. It is absolutely true that everyone that calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. The sad truth is that NO MAN will come to Him unless the Spirit of God draws (the Greek defines "draw" as "drag"!) him.
The Word of God says that we have the Spirit of God and can search thre deep things of God...We also have His Word through which we can search these things.
@chroniclewatch Yes, that scripture means much to me. I never felt I was seeking God but he choose me. I was only reading the bible to answer my sons questions about God since I knew nothing. Next thing I knew I had Gods' Spirit. I didn't see that comming.
It is a bizarre extreme view of some Calvanists to make this over archign statement about God's Sovereignty that they say that man essentially has no free will, and they virtually, if not actually state that God is the direct author of sin. Now it is a difficult reality, but we know God allows sin and iniquity in this world, and at the same time we know that He certainly has the power at any moment to relieve anyone's suffering and deliver anyone from any iniquity they are a victim of...
@OpenAirOutreach That is because they do not want to know the truth. Man is depraved in mind and no one seeketh after God, not one. Romans 3:10-11 KJV As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: (11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. You dont choose God, He chooses you. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. The word draw means to drag. God will drag you.
"Form good moral character"? How can perfection be improved upon? The purpose of overcoming temptation was so these perfect creatures, made in the image of God, could continue in fellowship with God in all holiness. I am not a Calvinist.
I agree. You must believe. No one is arguing with that lol. The question is not IF Greg believes, the question HOW can Greg, a sinner who once hated God, suddenly choose to be saved? How is that possible? What did God first have to do with your fallenness?
God does good by nature; the Bible teaches it’s impossible for him to sin. His freewill must be very different than ours. God doesn’t choose the good over the evil; he only chooses good and can only choose good. It’s impossible for him to lie the Bible teaches. He doesn’t merely refuse to lie; he cannot lie. We are made in his image, but he’s also very different than us in regards to freewill.
I agree, I always felt in my conscience that something was wrong with this doctrine, I ask myself why would God allow the sins committed in the the world, why would some be predestined to be saved to paradise while the rest be predestined to eternal damnation. It would make no sense with free will which God gave us, which at the same time is a curse(to sin) and a blessing(to be saved and do his will).
Thanks for standing for the truth brother! Great video. I think you had a misquote though around 106:10 or so. It said Matthew 7:30 and there is no verse 30 in Matthew 7. Didn't want you to have mistakes in such a great video. God bless brother
@callofchrist In your view, God predestined me to make this video. I had no choice in the matter. And my supposed "straw-man" itself was caused by God. So don't be upset with me. Be upset with God. You apparently hate His sovereign plan. You are coming against His secret will.
@callofchrist: these are the blasphemous statements this video refutes: John Calvin said, “Whatever things are done wrongly and unjustly by man, these very things are the right and just works of God.” Martin Luther said, “Since, therefore, God moves and does all in all, He necessarily moves and does all in Satan and the wicked man…” He also said, “God worketh all things in all men even wickedness in the wicked"
At about 3:50 the argument is self defeated. "God gave them the opportunity/freedom to do what is right" means he had to create that negative space for the object to have a definition. Either that of the negative space (evil) existed before God and that God brought in good alone so the absence of God results in evil.
What is evil? Is evil some substance, a stuff, or is it just disobedience of God? God gave us freewill but we used the freewill to sin. It's not God's fault we sinned. Same way we have a knife, we can use it for good and evil, but it doesn't mean that because someone used it for evil it was meant to do evil. Knife is neutral, it's us who choose to do something with it.
DohMkay Hmm I think you misunderstand the scope of the problem. Please consider this situation... You have a car. You can drive in any direction, but the only way you can see you are driving in any direction is due to a reference point. You are either moving away from where you were, or getting closer to where you want to go. If there is only one reference point, God. Then no matter how far away you move you will only be able to see you position as how close or far you are from God. Which means there is no sin, evil, the devil etc. It is all just different intensities of God. Now if we add free will, the ability of the car to drive either closer to God or further from God. In order for the car to drive further from God, there has to be a road there. Since humans don't create things God can't create, it means the road away from God must have been created by God. No matter how far the car can drive away from God, there needs to be a road (the possibility for the car to move away) This is what people call sin. The other option is that the car is powerful enough to create it's own road and the 3rd option is that the road existed before God and before the car. So from the above situation we see that either God created sin, man created sin or sin existed before God. If man created sin then man is powerful enough to create something the all powerful God didn't create. Something new has been added to the universe. Then if man can add new things to the universe then where is the limit? That turns man into God and the argument of moving away from God collapses. Sin is not just a choice, it is an activity, it is a series of possibilities. Those possibilities need to be available before the choice can be made. The car can't chose to drive away from God if there is no road away.
+TheVariableConstant I don't want to misrepresent your argument, but as I understand you're saying that if God created the possibility to sin, he is completely responsible for the sin itself. So you're saying that God created the sin by making us free agents to do what we want? In my opinion it is ridiculous. If you have a loaf of bread in your hand and I give you knife to cut it but instead you choose to kill a person it is not my fault nor it is the knife's fault. It is you who chose to kill a person instead of cutting a slice of bread. Now, you're claiming that God intended us to sin. But in the context of Christianity, God did not give us free will for us to sin. God gave us free will so we could be free agents doing good things from out own free choice. If God gave us opportunity only to do good, our good deeds would not be sincere, cause we wouldn't have a choice to do good or evil. You cannot create behavior. Behavior or bad behavior aka sin is a product of freewill, that we produce, not God.
+TheVariableConstant I don't want to misrepresent your argument, but as I understand you're saying that if God created the possibility to sin, he is completely responsible for the sin itself. So you're saying that God created the sin by making us free agents to do what we want? In my opinion it is ridiculous. If you have a loaf of bread in your hand and I give you knife to cut it but instead you choose to kill a person it is not my fault nor it is the knife's fault. It is you who chose to kill a person instead of cutting a slice of bread. Now, you're claiming that God intended us to sin. But in the context of Christianity, God did not give us free will for us to sin. God gave us free will so we could be free agents doing good things from out own free choice. If God gave us opportunity only to do good, our good deeds would not be sincere, cause we wouldn't have a choice to do good or evil. You cannot create behavior. Behavior or bad behavior aka sin is a product of freewill, that we produce, not God.
DohMkay I don't know if you are a fan of video games. Maybe that would be a better way for me to explain my argument. In video games, the fictional characters have fixed options for any possibility. All those ways they can move, or the things they can say or the way they look. It is all preprogrammed. A fictional character cannot be played to kill another unless it has been enabled by the game developer. So in mario carts, I don't expect to see mario jump out with a light saber and stab luigi his fellow fictional character...unless it was programmed to be possible. God created the universe, so any possibility that happens in the universe, to me, must have been created by God. From the kindest actions to the horrific crimes. So to me, God did create sin. But God didn't create sin for us to chose it. I am not arguing for that. I simply want to show the speaker in the video and others who agree with him, that sin was created by God. My view, in case you are interested, is that everything has already happened. What is going on right now is that we are choosing which possibilities we like. So the possibility of me doing something horrible like murder has already happened as well as the possibility of me not doing that, and doing other kinder actions. Sometimes these choices are in parallel so when we choose A, we can't get B. It gets a little complicated and it is not the main topic so I'll not continue with that. It's definitely not the orthodox Christianity I was born into, rather a new version I arrived at through philosophy.
Evil is a moral choice not a substance of the body. If we are evil, we are evil by choice. God requires we stop doing evil and start doing good and that is our choice to make. He doesnt choose for us. "Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes. Cease to do evil,"(Isaiah 1:16 NKJV)
No creation can act outside its design. An auto design for a maximum speed of 120, can't by design travel at a top speed of 125. Without evil, there would be no good. God created all our tendencies, for good and evil. He wants voluntary choice. Love is voluntary not compulsory. Well done.
@ShownMercy I gave quotes in the video from John Calvin, Martin Luther, James White, and other reformers that show that Calvinists do teach that God is the author of sin. Watch the video!
So what...anyone can make a video..Calvin was evil...had people killed because they didn't think like him...nice guy...I wouldn't listen to a single word he said
Life is a test, not a lottery. Paul was beaten within an inch of his life, once left for dead, several times, spent years languishing alone in a cold dungeon. Paul taught that he was running his race, running with at least as much effort as an athlete running to win a silly trophy, that Paul was running for the ultimate prize, and considered any earthly sufferings "light and momentary troubles" in comparison. You are wrong to think we are picked out of a hat. God wants servants, not robots.
The best way to study a doctrine, I have learned, and I believe it is 100% sound...take a Biblical topic, and look for ALL THE VERSES in the Bible that deal with that subject...then organize them placing them in order of clarity and directness...The #1 most clear and direct statement, then #2,#3, and so on...THEN...prayerfully study them ALL. Then isolate the one that are the most ambiguous or plyable and see if you can make all the verses fit...
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing.” On this text, those who find fault with the flesh, and contend it was no part of God’s creation, attack us. What are we to say then? Just what we did before, when discusssing the Law: that as there he makes sin answerable for everything so here also. For he does not say, that the flesh worketh it, but just the contrary, “it is not I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.” But if he does say that “there dwelleth no good thing in it,” still this is no charge against the flesh. For the fact that “no good thing dwelleth in it,” does not show that it is evil itself. Now we admit, that the flesh is not so great as the soul, and is inferior to it, yet not contrary, or opposed to it, or evil; but that it is beneath the soul, as a harp beneath a harper, and as a ship under the pilot. And these are not contrary to those who guide and use them, but go with them entirely, yet are not of the same honor with the artist. As then a person who says, that the art resides not in the harp or the ship, but in the pilot or harper, is not finding fault with the instruments, but pointing out the great difference between them[ 1384 ] and the artist; so Paul in saying, that “in my flesh dwelleth no good thing,” is not finding fault with the body, but pointing out the soul’s superiority. For this it is that has the whole duty or pilotage put into its hands, and that of playing. And this Paul here points out, giving the governing power to the soul, and after dividing man into these two things, the soul and the body, he says, that the flesh has less of reason, and is destitute of discretion, and ranks among things to be led, not among things that lead. But the soul has more wisdom, and can see what is to be done and what not, yet is not equal to pulling in the horse as it wishes. And this would be a charge not against the flesh only, but against the soul also, which knows indeed what it ought to do, but still does not carry out in practice what seems best to it. “For to will,” he says, “is present with me; but how to perform that which is good, I find not.” Here again in the words, “I find not,” he does not speak of any ignorance or perplexity, but a kind of thwarting and crafty assault made by sin, which he therefore points more clearly out in the next words.
Greg, answer me this. If God is trying to save everyone equally, 1) why do you pray? are you expecting God to give 105% effort? what more can He do? He's doing His best, isn't He? and 2) why would Greg choose Christ and someone else? See if you can answer this question without elevating self.
God may speak about His people, my sheep etc.This gets to be such a stumbling stone to calvinists because they don't recognize that God is not a creature of time. God FOREKNOWS who will and will not receive Him, and He may certainly refer to these as "My sheep hear my voice" etc! "For those God FOREKNEW He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son...." Rom 8:29 If I ever start a de-programming school for calvinists this is the first verse I would make them learn!
"(indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do BY NATURE things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not havve the law, since they show the the requirements of the law ARE WRITTEN ON THEIR HEARTS, their CONSCIENCES also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing ,new even defending them.)" Rom 2:14-15 So much for the foolishness of the lying calvin tenet of "depravity of man" of course calvinists seldom care what the word of God actually says!
Where did you film this? I like that backdrop way more than those bookshelf ones or personal library ones that people usually choose as a backdrop...which I guess is supposed to make them look more educated.
I’ve always had this nagging doubts about Calvinism, but though your teachings I see better. The scripture God did not make man for Hell just kept sticking in my mind. Just like when I fell under the people that teach Jesus Christ was just a man. The scripture that He was Sent shows He was before His birth.
Jeremy, I can't figure out what angle that could possibly help GregSettle understand and see God's electing, redeeming, regenerating, salvation by grace.
Ya, thanks for the reminder. It just seems that with someone who has the spirit, God would use some means to open his stubborn eyes. Not all arminians are lost, just deceived
@callofchrist Did Calvin and Luther strawman Calvinism too? John Calvin said, “Whatever things are done wrongly and unjustly by man, these very things are the right and just works of God.” Martin Luther said, “Since, therefore, God moves and does all in all, He necessarily moves and does all in Satan and the wicked man…” He also said, “God worketh all things in all men even wickedness in the wicked"
*Deut. 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. * Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. * John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. * Rom. 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
@callofchrist It is one thing to say that God works all things together, and another thing to say that all things are the work of God. God works with all things, but God does not cause all things. Big difference. The Bible rightly says that God works with all things, and can even incorporate the wickedness of man into his plans and turn it around for good. But Calvinism falsely says that God causes all things, makes men wicked, and that God is good nonetheless.
Don't worry about delayed answers, i don't even have my own computer, or internet, for that matter. My main concern is that Pelagius' errors would not be repeated as if they were orthodox theology. I think they dramatically undermine the gospel. But I would also go as far as to say that a Wesleyan understanding doesn't give God enough credit for the grace he gives; i believe that God has loved me not just in sending Jesus to die for my sins, but in opening my eyes by the faith he gives.
The basic theological premise and conclusions of Calvinism permeates throughout earths current population's belief systems regardless of their religion, theology, or philosophy of life. Evil acts or catastrophes are blamed on the will of God. The quote made for every evil or bad event is "Everything that happens is the will of god".
I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land. Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon. And there were many in Israel with leprosy in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed-only Naaman the Syrian.” When Jesus said this, the people tried to lynch Him and throw Him off a cliff. Both of these miracles were done for heathen (Gentiles). There are many lessons in this text. What stands out to me is - the unconditional nature of God's blessing and provision. God bestows his benefits to whomever He pleases. No man can complain about His actions, because no man deserves to receive any kindness from Him. God never punished anyone who did not deserve it and He never blessed anyone who earned it. Justice depends on certain rules; but divine generosity is unconditional. I have visited nations where many people dwell who have never heard the gospel. Many of them will die without ever having had access to a bible. Let that sink in- they will spend eternity in hell without ever having heard the name of Jesus one time. Why were you born in a nation with so much access to the gospel? Why were you born in this generation? Before the Gutenburg press in 1455, bibles were hand written. Bibles were not even widely available in English until the early 1600's. We have been blessed by God -so much so that it is very difficult for us to truly realize it. What if you were born before Christ? Israel was the only nation with the knowledge of the one true God. ...just a handful of people when you think about the entire world. We are blessed. Like the widow of Zarephath, we were chosen among many widows. Like Naaman the Syrian, we were chosen among many lepers. There is no room for boasting. All glory goes to God alone.
Amen. If God had made robots, he'd done it. But he didn't. Calvinism is in no way true. If it was so, God would never ever have said "choose whom ye serve"
Consider this: God created Adam and Eve already knowing that they would fall. If it was not a part of God's plan in any sense for them to fall, and since He knew they would fall if He created them, then He would not have created them. The fact that He created them knowing they would fall proves that it was a part of His plan. What do you think? Does that make sense?
Christ himself founded his Church and doctrines in 33a.d. and John Calvin didn't come along until the 1500's. There is 1500 years of time and events that needs to be filled it.
Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. Psalm 25:12 Who, then, is the man that fears the LORD? He will instruct him in the way chosen for him. (God chooses there way not them) Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.
Ultimately Paul says that those of the Jews who haven't been reconciled to Christ didn't reach the law through faith, unlike those of the Gentiles who did (in Christ), but He says that the Jews stumbled not so that they would be a failure to God's purpose, but to bring salvation to the Gentiles and that God is going to graft the natural branches back in (Jews) in Romans 11. The point Paul is making is that through judgement and through mercy, God has extended grace, in Christ, to the world.
We also know that God sends the enemies of Israel against them in judgment upon them for breaking His covenant. Those enemies are God's tool. That also is a hard truth... Best let God be God and not let our flesh get involved in putting God on trial...best to humbly read the Word and let God be God and us be us.
Much mumbo jumbo philosophy here, Jer! "Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart" Heb 3:15 You may certainly accept or reject, harden or not harden your heart, God will make you do nothing!
God is not evil nor the author of sin. I am a living testimony, for I was evil and lived an evil life by my own choice. But Jesus came and saved me. His grace ( power) delivered me from sin ( evil). Now God uses me to deliver the good news to other evil, sinners. I witness as each one of them grow to believe Jesus is real, through the wisdom and knowledge God gave me is shared with them. I then witness as some choose to accept Jesus and repent, and others chose to ignore what they now no is true. Praise God for he is good.
good statement of faith. However there are no statements above for or against TULIP, so I don't know what baggage you put in words like 'author' or 'grace'.
@@cluny what's tulip
@@heftymagic4814 at 9:00 we hear the Calvinist give the five points, Total Depravity. etc, ua-cam.com/video/kNgonSAKorM/v-deo.html
amen thanks for sharing
@@heftymagic4814 Points of Calvinism
Total depravity: We don’t have free choice is just and illusions because we are bound to sin God does have free will and we are all subject matter to The Holy God and God run everything every thought everything is runned by God
Unlimited election: God.choose at random to ho to save who to dam
Perseverance of The Saints: God predestined true believers to persevere to the end and be saved
Irresistible Grace: When God pours out his grace the person can’t reject it and it attracts him and he as not power to reject it but to accept it
Limited Atonement: Jesus only die for the sins of The saints not the world
Calvinism makes God the author of sin......period.
This has been a question in my mind for a long time. I have been wondering for awhile why God made sin if it is so evil. This explanation makes a lot of sense to me.
Sin is not a created thing. It is not solid, liquid, gas or plasma. Sin is a CHOICE of self over God and His will
I receive emails from Pastors and believers from all over the country who say that they really were blessed by this video! Praise God!
This is one of your best videos I've seen 😊
Such a great video. Helped me a lot back when (and even today) a preacher told me that God "orchestrates" child rape, that it is "of God," that God chooses not to prevent the abuse, and everything that happens is "supposed" to happen.
For a while I was completely heartbroken, overcome with sorrow and despair, desperate to prove to myself that the preacher spoke lies.
Thanks to a few people and basic logic, I did find my way out of the fog. It's a wonderful thing to believe in and know the God who is love, the God I can respect, adore, love in return.
Calvinism is the epitome of slandering the holy and Almighty God.
It's so serious isn't it??
Bless you Jesse for this video. The rise of Calvinism in are times has so saddened me, and it is growing in are times. It’s shocking and frightening. London UK.
"The doctrine of predestination as maintained by rigid Calvinists is very shocking, and ought utterly to be abhorred, because it charges the most Holy God with being the author of sin". - John Wesley
+bibletheology what.do.you.think.of.woman.street.preacher.jesse.please.god.bless
The bible clearly teaches predestination in Romans 8,9,10,11 Ephesians 1,2 , 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 , 2 Timothy 1:9 , John 15:27 ,17:6,9. John Wesley was VERY mistaken . Dead Wrong
Calvinist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bibletheology Calvinists are defenders of their right to sin with of a form of piety that "has a form of godliness but denies its power"...yay even blasphemes the Sovereign God they appear to praise.
Paul.E Tedder ουχι φιλε μου. τουτο βιβλιον ουκ λεγει τουτο.
Switching from NT greek, uh no it does not. prohorizo in Ephesians for instance is a bad translation.. it is foresight not predestination.
pro = before
horizo => where we get horizon in English... as in seeing off in the distance, in advance.
horao means see and its variants have to do with seeing and knowing because of seeing. Not fate, aka predestination.
Take a closer look at these epistles as letters. The chapter and verse divisions were imjected in the past 800 years. Their chapter divisions are NOT INSPIRED APOSTOLIC contextual divisions.. be careful. Many of them lead people to take things out of context and hence to draw wrong conclusions.
@callofchrist Is God the author of everything? “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace” (1 Cor. 14:33). Clearly, God is not the "sovereign" cause of all things.
This is my 3rd viewing of this video over the years. Thank you Jessie for this accurate and well thought-out presentation {Not about the false teaching of Calvinism} but about the Goodness of God.
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Calvinism goes against what we are taught in the Bible about how to live our lives as Christians, pure and holy, and obedient to the Lord our God.
Amazing how you can make such a sweeping statement. Pity you're so arrogant to believe you're above reproach
Dave Boocks Excuse me, I don't believe I am above reproach.
I'm sorry, my statement was arrogant. I was wrong to assume that ALL Calvinists are being abominable and disobedient. I must say tho, that Calvinism deserves reproach, because it is a dangerous man made religion that goes against what the Bible teaches.
Mellomoon Haze Now see I strongly dissagree with you that it's a "Dangerouse Man Made Religeon" Let's take the idea that the trem "Calvinism" is used to describe the fundimental belief system i.e. Predestination, Depravity of man, etc. Now I know you're going to go into "pelagianism", But I just dissagree. Did you know that early "Anabaptists" were persicuted by both Roman Catholic & Protestants? They weren't Calvinists yet they believed in alot of the "Calvinist" beliefes. I don't follow Calvin, but hold to the 5 points as well as alot to what he held to, but not all. I tend to believe that your common view of theology is dangerous due to how the view that God sits up there with a big tear in his eye, waiting & begging for man to choose Him. Sorry, but that's a whimpy god. I serve a Mighty God that none can stay his hand. If you want to get into the particulars, we can. I don't serve a wuss.
Dave Boocks
Your comment: "I tend to believe that your common view of theology is dangerous due to how the view that God sits up there with a big tear in his eye, waiting & begging for man to choose Him."
That is definately NOT the God I serve. I don't know where you get that "whimpy god" idea.
I serve a merciful, and JUST God, and anyone who is not FOR him, is AGAINST him, and that means they serve him, or they serve another God, be it their own bellies, or Satan.
Mellomoon Haze I am referring to the common Arminian view of God. Do you think God sits out there somewhere waiting on man to choose him? That's the Arminian view of "Free Will". I'm sure you're aware of the 5 points of Arminian & hold to them. So back to your original insult "Calvinism goes against what we are taught in the Bible..." Can you name some examples?
you laid this out beautifully and scripturally! I so appreciate this!
praise the wonderful god who gave us free will
Life is full of choices, try to make the best ones. I choose God and to follow his commandments best I can.
klausmkl You can’t choose God. The scriptures say not one person even seeks God. If that poses a problem for you because it creates questions that you can’t live with, that’s your own problem for questioning God’s all knowing power and sovereignty.
@@villarrealmarta6103 sooo....how do you explain satan? Choosing to try to usurp God? Oh what's this? God predestined him to want to usurp him and bring 2/3 of the angels with him...
By your reasoning of Calvinistic belief system every homosexual, atheist, reprobate, etc were predestined for hell....which makes God a respector of persons which is diametrically the opposite of what scripture states...Acts 10:34....conditions yes, people no..
Villarreal Marta Yes, Romans 3:11 says no one seeks God. Then 3:12 explains it: “They are all gone out of the way, they are together BECOME unprofitable.” Rom. 1 says they knew of God simply by observing the creation, but they CHOSE to reject him. They made that choice and they did not seek God. Later, Paul says how can one repent if there is no preacher for them to hear? So when those people HEAR the Gospel preached, now they know, and after that they choose whether or not to walk with God. The Bible is jam packed with verses telling all people to CHOOSE him. “How long will you sit on the fence and not choose him?” he asks. God has gifted everyone with the ability to chose. Why? So we can LEARN to become wise and filled with his grace when we make decisions for him instead of choosing against him.
@@villarrealmarta6103 You don't know what you are talking about. We are drawn to God, yes he draws us in, John 6:44. Christ knocks at the door but it is you who opens it. Rev 3:20. If you do not open he will not come in. So there is a choice. Otherwise the scriptures would not say what they do.
Polski Girl if we go go the other direction and do not look to God that is the fault of man. But if we turn to God and repent that is the work of God. A man must be born again Jesus told Nicodemus. This takes childlike faith to believe, that’s why Jesus said unless you become like a little child you can have no place with me. Little children don’t question the Lord, they simply believe and let God be God.
You have much more to learn about the word “Grace” (undeserved favor) that God gives to those he has chosen. The scriptures teach all these things and we can’t ignore them.
Calvin has access to the secret counsels of God? And the rest of us dont have access to it? It is supposed to be secret how did Calvin able to know this secret? My conclusion: Calvinism creates a god according to their image.
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I love what the Lord is doing in Jesse Life and ALL who hear him.
Lovely teaching .
Pulling weeds out of Christianity like
A true shepard.
Jesus in Him !
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Calvinism is the epitome of Satanic evil. Check out what the following Calvinist apologists had to say regarding sin and evil:
1) Loraine Boettner - "Even the fall of Adam, and through him the fall of the race, was not by chance or accident, but was so ordained in the secret counsels of God" - In his book, "The Reformed doctrine of Predestination, page 234
2) Jerom Sanchius - "Surely, if God had not willed the fall, He could, and no doubt would, have prevented it; but He did not prevent it: ergo, He willed it. And if He willed it, He certainly decreed it." - In his book, "The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination" page 88.
3) A.W. Pink - "Plainly it was God's will that sin should enter this world, otherwise it would not have entered, for nothing happens save as God has eternally decreed. Moreover, there was more than a bare permission, for God only permits that which He has purposed." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 147, (1961).
4) A.W. Pink - "Not only did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 249
5) Edwin Palmer - "It is even Biblical to say that God has foreordained sin. If sin was outside the plan of God, then not a single important affair of life would be ruled by God." In his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism" page 82
6) William Shedd - "Nothing comes to pass contrary to his desire. Nothing happens by chance. Even moral evil, which He abhors and forbids, occurs "by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God." In his book, "Calvinism: Pure and Mixed, page 37, 1986.
7) J. Gresham Machen - "All things including even the wicked actions of wicked men and devils -- are brought to pass in accordance with God's eternal purpose." In his book, "Christian View of Man, page 46, 1965.
8) William Shedd - "Sin is one of the "whatsoevers" that have "come to pass", all of which are "ordained". In his book, "Calvinism" Pure and Mixed, page 31, 1986.
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid! How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
amen
Thank you Jesse! Well done!!
My perspective and opinion do not matter whatsoever! The Philippian jailer asked "What must I do to be saved?" Paul and Silas answered "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you WILL be saved" Acts 16:31
"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, let him take the water of life freely." Rev 22:17
Won't YOU come, "whosoever will" may come and "take the water of life freely"
@callofchrist
All that shows is that the Westminster contradicts itself, as they say that God "decreed whatsoever cometh to pass."
They might object to the phrase "God is the author of sin" but they certainly do not object to the concept.
Love you Brother you teach me something each time I watch your teachings...
@callofchrist
I used to be a Calvinist. And I've been studying Reformed Theology for ten years. How long have you been a Calvinist? Maybe I know the truth about Calvinism that you are still apparently ignorant of.
I am not convinced at how a theologian could ever order the burning of Michael Servetus.
I seriously only thought you had that Kenny Ham ark video. I am going to start making UA-cam videos too. You are a gold mine of material!
"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" Eph 1:4
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That’s a spiritual blessing in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. The day before you were in Christ you weren’t chosen.
"...let HIM WHO WILLS take the water of Life freely". Rev.22 v 17b.
@@briantitchener4829 Amen to that!
Great job brother! your quotes around 46 to 48 min point from Calvinists saying God foreordained sin (evil) so that the glory of God might be revealed... exposes how these Calvinists speak (deceive) so that the glory of Satan might be believed.
Yes.. Amen!
Romans 16:17-18 KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
praise God!! good job brother.
blaming God for sin is blasphemy.
Their god who designed sin is Satan.
I can believe this doesn't get more views. Excellent work. Great spirit in its presentation. Solid and sound in its logic and foundation.
Why is it you Calvinists are so hung up on denying your moral responsibility to turn from sin?
Look at Ephesians 5:1-7
What happens if you refuse to turn from sin as a believer?
The wrath of God comes upon you.
How about 2 Peter 2:20,21?
What happens if a believer turns back to his sinful nature?
It will be WORSE for him, and it would have been BETTER for him to have NEVER known Christ.
This is also confirmed in Hebrews 10:26-31
Those who WILLFULLY turn back to sin, will face the wrath of God, as they treat the blood of Christ as a common thing!
2 Thessalonians 1:8
Fiery judgement awaits those who deny Christ, or DISOBEY Christ. (AKA continuing in Sin!)
Romans 6:31, the verse evangelists love to use for "Romans road":
"The wages of sin is death."
What's the context? Paul is telling believers to stop sinning! This wage for sin, is FOR BELIEVERS that refuse to stop sinning!
This is why James states;
"Faith without works is dead."
Indeed, faith that doesn't produce obedience results in your death, as you will be paid the wages of your sinful nature, even if you believe in Christ.
As Paul tells us in Colossians 3:25:
But he who does wrong will be repaid for what he has done, and there is no partiality.
Think on that last word. Why would we believers have _partiality_? For Believing in God. Paul is making it clear, that if you disobery God and keep sinning, you will face the SAME JUDGEMENT as the non Believer!
There is NO partiality!
Philippians 4:13 KJV
13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Praise the Lord! Even obey Him! Hallelujah!!
"We're saved by grace alone. And as a result of faith in Jesus Christ and His grace - the fruit of that..is we are now living a holy life.
Saving faith will result in an obedient life to God.
We need to repent and believe as a condition of mercy, and the fruit of repentance and belief in Christ will result in an obedient life - not justification by works (trying to earn or deserve salvation).
Changing our mind about breaking Gods commandments is to keep His commandments..which will then bear the fruit of living holy for Him." ~ Jesse Morrell
God was even able to use Joseph' betrayal (Gen. 50:20) God can work with the situations that He is given and them incorporate into His plans. But that does not mean that God controls or causes the free moral choices of men. We have a God who “worketh all things after the counsel of his own will” (Eph. 1:11) He can make “all things work together for the good of them that love God” (Rom. 8:28). God works with all things. It is one thing to work with all things and quite another to cause all things
As an Orthodox Christian may God pour his blessings out on you. If I could kiss your cheek in communion of the body of Christ I would.
The most God-slandering, satanic heresy ever spawned by the devil himself is that put forth by Lake of Fire-bound Calvin. Thanks for this video presentation.
Excellent information - please help me understand why predestination preordained is also mentioned in the Bible and exemplified in scripture? For example, Saul was not a believer when he was chosen. Also, Christ picked his disciples and said, “you did not choose me I chose you” also, obviously Christ was predestined from Old Testament scripture,. Then there’s the “no one can resist the call of the Father.” I’m not sure this can be explained because it appears we have free will but some and scripture states predestination scripture. I’m just trying to make sense of something I think only God can, either way, need to shine and spread gospel.
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Saul was chosen to be an apostle. Not only that but he feared God and thought that he was doing God a favour by persecuting the church. The bible says that all who feared God from the Old Covenant would be given to Jesus in the new covenant. Peter also feared God and Jesus said that Nathanael was an Israelite indeed in whom was no guile.
These men were chosen because they feared God. The Gentiles in Acts 13 also feared God. They would come to Jesus as well as prophesied.
We can look at scripture on all of this if you like.
God bless
Evan U Hi, thanks for the reply. Of course after someone accepts God they are fearful and relieved because they know the truth. However, there’s many false religions that fear their satanic god too.
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The prophecies specifically said those that feared God would be healed by Jesus....
Mal 3: 16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
Mal 4: 1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Isa 65: 8 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.
11 But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
13 ¶ Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
Notice when it refers to God’s servants or those that fear Him? They will be made into His jewels and be called by another name. That’s the faithful remnant. They would be given to Jesus in the new covenant. He would give them rest from the old covenant laws.
That’s what the New Testament says as well.
Jhn 8: 42 ¶ Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Jhn 11: 51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one 👉🏻the children of God 👈🏻that were scattered abroad.
Jhn 17: 6 ¶ I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: 👉🏻thine they were, 👈🏻and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
They were already the Father’s. Those are the ones that were given to Jesus. They were of God and loved the Father. There are many other passages as well but I need to get to bed. If you’d like to discuss this further let me know. I can give you more evidence tomorrow if you’re interested.
God bless.
Good job breaking things down to their simplest form.
While I agree with a lot of what you say here, I think we need to be careful. Yes, God gave us the ability to choose. However, we have all sinned and fallen short. No flesh will be justified by the law.
God actually tells us what the condemnation is: that Light came into the world but men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil.
None of us can save ourselves by works of the law. However, we can each choose to repent and trust in Christ for our salvation.
Calvinists: buT No CALviNiSt says God IS THe AUthOR Of sIN!
No, you don't have to say it when it is a logically necessary implication of what you did say...
Brilliant, thanks
This is a great video, well done!
Excellent video. Do you have the transcript? This would make a great book.
thank you for this very detailed explanation regarding Adam's sin
You just answered my long standing question about Adam sin
“Whosoever” disproves Calvinism
ALL we who know God is love, know from 1 John 1:5, that "in him is no darkness whatsoever"; and we furthermore know, from 1 John @ that "All that is in the world, the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."
God foreknew his blessings for those, in him, would be blessed with the same blessings he chose for those he foreknew - Israel would be his people (Jacob's people), as well as whosoever believes in him, through their belief in Jesus Christ, the firstborn unto Salvation, whose co heirs, are all who believe in him, "whosoever" as John @ states, without one "but" added to it, but what is stated in it "but have eternal life."
Calvinists have confused foreknowledge with authorship, and this argument just proved that God is light, in him is no darkness whatsoever, man is responsible for his sins, and thank God for Jesus Christ, in that, through him alone we can have eternal life - "WHOSOEVER" believes in him.
Paul, in Galatians chapter 5, argues over Peter's blindsightedness of the circumcised and uncircumcised by stating "I wish they were cut off," (Galatians @ - meaning - those agitators would both be excommunicated as well as, disemboweling themselves), and with such colorful arguments, audacity, and sense of finality, he demonstrated truly, God's hatred of SELF-righteousness, versus his love, shown in his mercy towards sinners turning towards him, whose reward is Salvation, sealed the Moment they believe in he who forgives the sins of the entire world, as clearly shown in Ephesians @-14, which illustrates the role played by the Holy Spirit, sealing the promise and blessings of eternal life, for whosoever believes.
Salvation is a gift of God, whose love cannot be removed, as Paul stated in Romans @-39, and is for ALL who believe in him, Jew and Gentile alike.
God, help Calvinists of all shades and colors see through and beyond their filter; and instead, use the lens of the Holy Spirit, who shall remind them of everything Jesus said through his Word, instead of leaning unto John Calvin's understandings, stemming from his incorrect assessment, as he argued "we are doomed from the womb."
No, we are not; "whosoever believes" proves otherwise...
Thank you Jesse
Is God the author of everything? “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace” (1 Cor. 14:33). Clearly, God is not the "sovereign" cause of all things.
I watched the video and made note of the scripture references. I found the scripture in Luke 7:30 about the Phrarisees rejecting God's council (Matthew 7 goes up to verse 29). I have to say. Excellent video. God gave us the power of our divine choice. There are times when God will intervene to favour those who chose to serve him with a willing heart. Or allow stuff to happen to test our Character as in the case of Job. However if we are not brain damaged our free will and choice remains. Which is why God makes miracle healing and deliverance available because free choice is supposed to be every humans right and demons and evil people and, defects in our human flesh because of man's fall, have sought to take it away. However it remains that everyone is accountable for the deeds done in their body on the day of Judgement. Once again great video. It's definately going on my playlist. God bless.
Sir, please enlighten us to the verse that quotes that man has "Divine Choice" I can't help but believe that Satan was the only one who believed that.
The God of Calvin predestines people to hell with no opportunity for salvation. This somehow glorifies his "Sovereignty." I never realized how grotesque this doctrine was until I began to study it. Given the choice, I am quite certain the majority of humanity headed for hell would have much preferred never to be born under these conditions.
Its funny, I only see one group of proud arrogant men that constantly rail against Catholics, Orthodox, Pentecostals, and just about any other denomination that does not line up with their heresy. You guessed it, the Calvinists. MacArthur, Piper, Sproul, White, Durban to name a few.
When we study the events that lead to reformation, I think we can all agree the Catholic Church needed to be reformed. The sale of indulgences, clerical offices, had made it wealthy and carnal, but I don't think we needed this. The "cure" is far worst than the disease.
Well stated.
Free will is not a bible doctrine, it's just a fact of life.
"This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now CHOOSE life...." Dt 30:19
Jesus told some Jews "these are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you REFUSE to come to me to have life" Jn 5:40 (not because they weren't elect, they CHOSE not to come)
"...and whosoever WILL let him take the water of life freely" Rev 22:17
Certainly if one is saved, he "received" his salvation, all gifts must be received Jer! But note one may CHOOSE to not accept or receive this gift!
The Scriptures say that the "goodness of God leads us to repentance".
It also says I was dead in my trespasses and sins, and He quickened me.
What ever true seeking that leads to savlation that we have, comes FROM GOD.
It is absolutely true that everyone that calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. The sad truth is that NO MAN will come to Him unless the Spirit of God draws (the Greek defines "draw" as "drag"!) him.
very well done
One might suggest that God will never violate HIS free will.
The Word of God says that we have the Spirit of God and can search thre deep things of God...We also have His Word through which we can search these things.
@chroniclewatch Yes, that scripture means much to me. I never felt I was seeking God but he choose me. I was only reading the bible to answer my sons questions about God since I knew nothing. Next thing I knew I had Gods' Spirit. I didn't see that comming.
It is a bizarre extreme view of some Calvanists to make this over archign statement about God's Sovereignty that they say that man essentially has no free will, and they virtually, if not actually state that God is the direct author of sin.
Now it is a difficult reality, but we know God allows sin and iniquity in this world, and at the same time we know that He certainly has the power at any moment to relieve anyone's suffering and deliver anyone from any iniquity they are a victim of...
@OpenAirOutreach That is because they do not want to know the truth. Man is depraved in mind and no one seeketh after God, not one. Romans 3:10-11 KJV As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: (11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
You dont choose God, He chooses you. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. The word draw means to drag. God will drag you.
Amen Jesse
"Form good moral character"? How can perfection be improved upon? The purpose of overcoming temptation was so these perfect creatures, made in the image of God, could continue in fellowship with God in all holiness. I am not a Calvinist.
You cannot be created with moral character, you can only develop it by free choice and free choice requires opportunities for its exercise.
Jesse Morrell Chapter & Verse us on your theory please.
I agree. You must believe. No one is arguing with that lol. The question is not IF Greg believes, the question HOW can Greg, a sinner who once hated God, suddenly choose to be saved? How is that possible? What did God first have to do with your fallenness?
God does good by nature; the Bible teaches it’s impossible for him to sin. His freewill must be very different than ours. God doesn’t choose the good over the evil; he only chooses good and can only choose good. It’s impossible for him to lie the Bible teaches. He doesn’t merely refuse to lie; he cannot lie. We are made in his image, but he’s also very different than us in regards to freewill.
I agree, I always felt in my conscience that something was wrong with this doctrine, I ask myself why would God allow the sins committed in the the world, why would some be predestined to be saved to paradise while the rest be predestined to eternal damnation. It would make no sense with free will which God gave us, which at the same time is a curse(to sin) and a blessing(to be saved and do his will).
Thanks for standing for the truth brother! Great video. I think you had a misquote though around 106:10 or so. It said Matthew 7:30 and there is no verse 30 in Matthew 7. Didn't want you to have mistakes in such a great video. God bless brother
@callofchrist In your view, God predestined me to make this video. I had no choice in the matter. And my supposed "straw-man" itself was caused by God. So don't be upset with me. Be upset with God. You apparently hate His sovereign plan. You are coming against His secret will.
I follow Yahweh not Satan
Well, if the majority choose to sin , aren't we a flawed design ? There is a pattern. Why is sin more attractive?
@callofchrist: these are the blasphemous statements this video refutes:
John Calvin said, “Whatever things are done wrongly and unjustly by man, these very things are the right and just works of God.”
Martin Luther said, “Since, therefore, God moves and does all in all, He necessarily moves and does all in Satan and the wicked man…”
He also said, “God worketh all things in all men even wickedness in the wicked"
Morons r everywhere
@ShownMercy Are you saying that John Calvin misrepresented Calvinism in the quotes I gave of him?
At about 3:50 the argument is self defeated. "God gave them the opportunity/freedom to do what is right" means he had to create that negative space for the object to have a definition. Either that of the negative space (evil) existed before God and that God brought in good alone so the absence of God results in evil.
What is evil? Is evil some substance, a stuff, or is it just disobedience of God? God gave us freewill but we used the freewill to sin. It's not God's fault we sinned. Same way we have a knife, we can use it for good and evil, but it doesn't mean that because someone used it for evil it was meant to do evil. Knife is neutral, it's us who choose to do something with it.
DohMkay
Hmm I think you misunderstand the scope of the problem. Please consider this situation...
You have a car. You can drive in any direction, but the only way you can see you are driving in any direction is due to a reference point. You are either moving away from where you were, or getting closer to where you want to go.
If there is only one reference point, God. Then no matter how far away you move you will only be able to see you position as how close or far you are from God. Which means there is no sin, evil, the devil etc. It is all just different intensities of God.
Now if we add free will, the ability of the car to drive either closer to God or further from God. In order for the car to drive further from God, there has to be a road there. Since humans don't create things God can't create, it means the road away from God must have been created by God. No matter how far the car can drive away from God, there needs to be a road (the possibility for the car to move away) This is what people call sin. The other option is that the car is powerful enough to create it's own road and the 3rd option is that the road existed before God and before the car.
So from the above situation we see that either God created sin, man created sin or sin existed before God.
If man created sin then man is powerful enough to create something the all powerful God didn't create. Something new has been added to the universe. Then if man can add new things to the universe then where is the limit? That turns man into God and the argument of moving away from God collapses.
Sin is not just a choice, it is an activity, it is a series of possibilities. Those possibilities need to be available before the choice can be made. The car can't chose to drive away from God if there is no road away.
+TheVariableConstant I don't want to misrepresent your argument, but as I understand you're saying that if God created the possibility to sin, he is completely responsible for the sin itself. So you're saying that God created the sin by making us free agents to do what we want?
In my opinion it is ridiculous. If you have a loaf of bread in your hand and I give you knife to cut it but instead you choose to kill a person it is not my fault nor it is the knife's fault. It is you who chose to kill a person instead of cutting a slice of bread. Now, you're claiming that God intended us to sin. But in the context of Christianity, God did not give us free will for us to sin. God gave us free will so we could be free agents doing good things from out own free choice. If God gave us opportunity only to do good, our good deeds would not be sincere, cause we wouldn't have a choice to do good or evil. You cannot create behavior. Behavior or bad behavior aka sin is a product of freewill, that we produce, not God.
+TheVariableConstant I don't want to misrepresent your argument, but as I understand you're saying that if God created the possibility to sin, he is completely responsible for the sin itself. So you're saying that God created the sin by making us free agents to do what we want?
In my opinion it is ridiculous. If you have a loaf of bread in your hand and I give you knife to cut it but instead you choose to kill a person it is not my fault nor it is the knife's fault. It is you who chose to kill a person instead of cutting a slice of bread. Now, you're claiming that God intended us to sin. But in the context of Christianity, God did not give us free will for us to sin. God gave us free will so we could be free agents doing good things from out own free choice. If God gave us opportunity only to do good, our good deeds would not be sincere, cause we wouldn't have a choice to do good or evil. You cannot create behavior. Behavior or bad behavior aka sin is a product of freewill, that we produce, not God.
DohMkay
I don't know if you are a fan of video games. Maybe that would be a better way for me to explain my argument.
In video games, the fictional characters have fixed options for any possibility. All those ways they can move, or the things they can say or the way they look. It is all preprogrammed. A fictional character cannot be played to kill another unless it has been enabled by the game developer.
So in mario carts, I don't expect to see mario jump out with a light saber and stab luigi his fellow fictional character...unless it was programmed to be possible.
God created the universe, so any possibility that happens in the universe, to me, must have been created by God. From the kindest actions to the horrific crimes. So to me, God did create sin. But God didn't create sin for us to chose it. I am not arguing for that. I simply want to show the speaker in the video and others who agree with him, that sin was created by God.
My view, in case you are interested, is that everything has already happened. What is going on right now is that we are choosing which possibilities we like. So the possibility of me doing something horrible like murder has already happened as well as the possibility of me not doing that, and doing other kinder actions. Sometimes these choices are in parallel so when we choose A, we can't get B.
It gets a little complicated and it is not the main topic so I'll not continue with that. It's definitely not the orthodox Christianity I was born into, rather a new version I arrived at through philosophy.
Evil is a moral choice not a substance of the body. If we are evil, we are evil by choice. God requires we stop doing evil and start doing good and that is our choice to make. He doesnt choose for us.
"Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes. Cease to do evil,"(Isaiah 1:16 NKJV)
No creation can act outside its design. An auto design for a maximum speed of 120, can't by design travel at a top speed of 125.
Without evil, there would be no good.
God created all our tendencies, for good and evil.
He wants voluntary choice.
Love is voluntary not compulsory.
Well done.
What are your views on Bapticostals
Both views seem to have some error.
God created us with the capacity for both good and evil.
This does not make God evil.
@ShownMercy I gave quotes in the video from John Calvin, Martin Luther, James White, and other reformers that show that Calvinists do teach that God is the author of sin. Watch the video!
So what...anyone can make a video..Calvin was evil...had people killed because they didn't think like him...nice guy...I wouldn't listen to a single word he said
Life is a test, not a lottery. Paul was beaten within an inch of his life, once left for dead, several times, spent years languishing alone in a cold dungeon. Paul taught that he was running his race, running with at least as much effort as an athlete running to win a silly trophy, that Paul was running for the ultimate prize, and considered any earthly sufferings "light and momentary troubles" in comparison. You are wrong to think we are picked out of a hat. God wants servants, not robots.
thank you brother God bless you
Great Vidoe Jesse !
The best way to study a doctrine, I have learned, and I believe it is 100% sound...take a Biblical topic, and look for ALL THE VERSES in the Bible that deal with that subject...then organize them placing them in order of clarity and directness...The #1 most clear and direct statement, then #2,#3, and so on...THEN...prayerfully study them ALL. Then isolate the one that are the most ambiguous or plyable and see if you can make all the verses fit...
Hey brother. What does Paul mean by “in his flesh dwells no good thing. “
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing.”
On this text, those who find fault with the flesh, and contend it was no part of God’s creation, attack us. What are we to say then? Just what we did before, when discusssing the Law: that as there he makes sin answerable for everything so here also. For he does not say, that the flesh worketh it, but just the contrary, “it is not I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.” But if he does say that “there dwelleth no good thing in it,” still this is no charge against the flesh. For the fact that “no good thing dwelleth in it,” does not show that it is evil itself. Now we admit, that the flesh is not so great as the soul, and is inferior to it, yet not contrary, or opposed to it, or evil; but that it is beneath the soul, as a harp beneath a harper, and as a ship under the pilot. And these are not contrary to those who guide and use them, but go with them entirely, yet are not of the same honor with the artist. As then a person who says, that the art resides not in the harp or the ship, but in the pilot or harper, is not finding fault with the instruments, but pointing out the great difference between them[ 1384 ] and the artist; so Paul in saying, that “in my flesh dwelleth no good thing,” is not finding fault with the body, but pointing out the soul’s superiority. For this it is that has the whole duty or pilotage put into its hands, and that of playing. And this Paul here points out, giving the governing power to the soul, and after dividing man into these two things, the soul and the body, he says, that the flesh has less of reason, and is destitute of discretion, and ranks among things to be led, not among things that lead. But the soul has more wisdom, and can see what is to be done and what not, yet is not equal to pulling in the horse as it wishes. And this would be a charge not against the flesh only, but against the soul also, which knows indeed what it ought to do, but still does not carry out in practice what seems best to it. “For to will,” he says, “is present with me; but how to perform that which is good, I find not.” Here again in the words, “I find not,” he does not speak of any ignorance or perplexity, but a kind of thwarting and crafty assault made by sin, which he therefore points more clearly out in the next words.
Greg, answer me this. If God is trying to save everyone equally, 1) why do you pray? are you expecting God to give 105% effort? what more can He do? He's doing His best, isn't He?
and 2) why would Greg choose Christ and someone else? See if you can answer this question without elevating self.
God may speak about His people, my sheep etc.This gets to be such a stumbling stone to calvinists because they don't recognize that God is not a creature of time. God FOREKNOWS who will and will not receive Him, and He may certainly refer to these as "My sheep hear my voice" etc!
"For those God FOREKNEW He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son...." Rom 8:29
If I ever start a de-programming school for calvinists this is the first verse I would make them learn!
"(indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do BY NATURE things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not havve the law, since they show the the requirements of the law ARE WRITTEN ON THEIR HEARTS, their CONSCIENCES also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing ,new even defending them.)" Rom 2:14-15
So much for the foolishness of the lying calvin tenet of "depravity of man" of course calvinists seldom care what the word of God actually says!
Where did you film this? I like that backdrop way more than those bookshelf ones or personal library ones that people usually choose as a backdrop...which I guess is supposed to make them look more educated.
I’ve always had this nagging doubts about Calvinism, but though your teachings I see better. The scripture God did not make man for Hell just kept sticking in my mind. Just like when I fell under the people that teach Jesus Christ was just a man. The scripture that He was Sent shows He was before His birth.
Did you quote RC Sproul a Calvinist? Was he not a Calvinist at one point or change positions?
Jstevensdk7 Sproul didn't have a full position. He did Believe in imputed righteousness though. Not really a great theologian.
I disagree with your statement that God can’t force man to do His will.
Jeremy, I can't figure out what angle that could possibly help GregSettle understand and see God's electing, redeeming, regenerating, salvation by grace.
Ya, thanks for the reminder. It just seems that with someone who has the spirit, God would use some means to open his stubborn eyes.
Not all arminians are lost, just deceived
@callofchrist Did Calvin and Luther strawman Calvinism too?
John Calvin said, “Whatever things are done wrongly and unjustly by man, these very things are the right and just works of God.”
Martin Luther said, “Since, therefore, God moves and does all in all, He necessarily moves and does all in Satan and the wicked man…”
He also said, “God worketh all things in all men even wickedness in the wicked"
*Deut. 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
* Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
* John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
* Rom. 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
@callofchrist It is one thing to say that God works all things together, and another thing to say that all things are the work of God. God works with all things, but God does not cause all things. Big difference. The Bible rightly says that God works with all things, and can even incorporate the wickedness of man into his plans and turn it around for good. But Calvinism falsely says that God causes all things, makes men wicked, and that God is good nonetheless.
Don't worry about delayed answers, i don't even have my own computer, or internet, for that matter. My main concern is that Pelagius' errors would not be repeated as if they were orthodox theology. I think they dramatically undermine the gospel. But I would also go as far as to say that a Wesleyan understanding doesn't give God enough credit for the grace he gives; i believe that God has loved me not just in sending Jesus to die for my sins, but in opening my eyes by the faith he gives.
The basic theological premise and conclusions of Calvinism permeates throughout earths current population's belief systems regardless of their religion, theology, or philosophy of life. Evil acts or catastrophes are blamed on the will of God. The quote made for every evil or bad event is "Everything that happens is the will of god".
I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land. Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon. And there were many in Israel with leprosy in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed-only Naaman the Syrian.”
When Jesus said this, the people tried to lynch Him and throw Him off a cliff. Both of these miracles were done for heathen (Gentiles). There are many lessons in this text. What stands out to me is - the unconditional nature of God's blessing and provision.
God bestows his benefits to whomever He pleases. No man can complain about His actions, because no man deserves to receive any kindness from Him. God never punished anyone who did not deserve it and He never blessed anyone who earned it. Justice depends on certain rules; but divine generosity is unconditional.
I have visited nations where many people dwell who have never heard the gospel. Many of them will die without ever having had access to a bible. Let that sink in- they will spend eternity in hell without ever having heard the name of Jesus one time. Why were you born in a nation with so much access to the gospel? Why were you born in this generation? Before the Gutenburg press in 1455, bibles were hand written. Bibles were not even widely available in English until the early 1600's. We have been blessed by God -so much so that it is very difficult for us to truly realize it. What if you were born before Christ? Israel was the only nation with the knowledge of the one true God. ...just a handful of people when you think about the entire world.
We are blessed. Like the widow of Zarephath, we were chosen among many widows. Like Naaman the Syrian, we were chosen among many lepers. There is no room for boasting. All glory goes to God alone.
Wishy washy
Amen. If God had made robots, he'd done it. But he didn't. Calvinism is in no way true. If it was so, God would never ever have said "choose whom ye serve"
Consider this: God created Adam and Eve already knowing that they would fall. If it was not a part of God's plan in any sense for them to fall, and since He knew they would fall if He created them, then He would not have created them. The fact that He created them knowing they would fall proves that it was a part of His plan. What do you think? Does that make sense?
2 Clement wasn't written by Clement of Rome. It was written psuedonymously. Only 1 Clement was written by Clement of Rome.
Christ himself founded his Church and doctrines in 33a.d. and John Calvin didn't come along until the 1500's. There is 1500 years of time and events that needs to be filled it.
Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.
Psalm 25:12 Who, then, is the man that fears the LORD? He will instruct him in the way chosen for him. (God chooses there way not them)
Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.
And what he pleases...is to give his image bearers free will...
Ultimately Paul says that those of the Jews who haven't been reconciled to Christ didn't reach the law through faith, unlike those of the Gentiles who did (in Christ), but He says that the Jews stumbled not so that they would be a failure to God's purpose, but to bring salvation to the Gentiles and that God is going to graft the natural branches back in (Jews) in Romans 11. The point Paul is making is that through judgement and through mercy, God has extended grace, in Christ, to the world.
We also know that God sends the enemies of Israel against them in judgment upon them for breaking His covenant. Those enemies are God's tool. That also is a hard truth... Best let God be God and not let our flesh get involved in putting God on trial...best to humbly read the Word and let God be God and us be us.
Are you starting your own religion?
Much mumbo jumbo philosophy here, Jer!
"Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart" Heb 3:15
You may certainly accept or reject, harden or not harden your heart, God will make you do nothing!
@ShownMercy Or are you saying that James White misrepresented Calvinism, by saying that child rape was the will of God?