Hit Your Forehand Like Nadal?
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The Rafael Nadal forehand is one of the most destructive weapons the tennis world has ever seen. In this video, I break down all technical elements of the Rafa forehand and also discuss whether you should hit your forehand like Nadal.
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that guy totally dont understand rafa mechanics.. look to ua-cam.com/video/WB1Dx59xfrI/v-deo.html
I can do that reverse forehand but the acceleration of the racquet must be just before contact with the ball so the strings can be able to hook the ball down in the court. However for doing the Full Lasso going all around the head or the Nadal Forehand it might be similar to the reverse forehand, slow start and accelerating just before or during contact to finish for I think the Reverse Forehand is the Shorter Version of the Lasso that Nadal uses also because the lasso has got a longer finish for the racquet to travel on... I used to do the full lasso forehand when my former
coach had taught me it.
Good god, this video should discourage 99% of ppl from trying to copy Rafa's FH. Interesting observation about his different takeback in practice vs. matchplay. Most ppl would be happy w/ his practice FH :) I think the final loop behind the head (once the racquet's by his ear) has less to do w/ shaping the ball and is just his most efficient way to get ready for the next shot. Still very impressive to see how your ball changed w/ different stroke. Very impressive doing it w/out a lot of jump edits in the video!
Rudd, thank you. What are are jump edits? I might need those in the future. Getting old, lol
Rudd RocksVanUffrith it’s definitely to shape the ball. As one who uses topspin similar to rafas, if you don’t have that buggy whip lasso follow through, you’re not going to get that drop down as easily or aggressively.
@@commondirtbagz7130 Hi, just to be clear, I'm talking about his aggressive FH not the first example (reverse FH)... looking at ua-cam.com/video/z-z303UZSiU/v-deo.html at this point in the stroke, you could drop the racquet or throw it and not effect the ball you just hit. It seems to that the remainder of the stroke is just the most efficient way to get ready for the next shot. The "extreme" part of the stroke is the preceding swift vertical rise to his ear. What do you think Coach Nick?
4:12 ultra aggressive.. unbelievable sound :)
LaBambaC, it sure is
@@IntuitiveTennis i think, i saw a young nadal play vs agassi in toronto 2005! :). nadal's shots had so much spin, pushing agassi back. it actually appears to accel after the bounce -perhaps an illusion.
LaBamba, I remember that match, 3 sets. I can’t imagine the physical toll that forehand takes when you are on the receiving end.
I know this is 4y too late, but giving end isn't so easy either @@IntuitiveTennis
Thank you for this analysis man, you’re the only one that made it that clear
Some real height achieved after the bounce on the Rafa inside out Nick. Great tutorial! Gordon
ripleygordon, have a hard time with that shot. Doesn’t come natural to me. I’m more of a flat ball striker.
Great explanations about Nadals "lasso" compared to the revers one.Some years ago Raffa had problems getting the lengs on the "lasso" .but I think he worked a lot on
getting higher trajettory over the net.Nobody doe"s the banashot like him. Anyway super detailed explanations .Thanks
Hi there. I tried some more agressive top spin the other day. And it is new for me, but I noticed significant strain on my arm but also the strings of my racquet were rearranged in a concave and convex shape towards the centre of string. Fascinating.
Andrew, interesting
@@IntuitiveTennis yes it is. I was putting some wallop on the top spin thinking of Rafa at the time, ball fluffed up in no time. Mucking around with subtle changes in grip and ball strike position too. All fun. Appreciate your videos, thanks
Andrew, thank you. 💪💪
It'd be interesting to compare racquets and the strings and their fit for various styles of play. For instance, Nadal using his Babolat set up has an amazing effect on the ball that only amplifies the spin.
By contrast, the RF 97 racquet (which I use) creates amazing spin with a relatively flat eastern grip swing. The weight of the frame allows the strings to grab the ball and create shots I've seen hit only by Federer (side spins and a carving hook swing path).
The physics of tennis are fascinating and very complex. To the extent you have any insight, a video would likely be really interesting.
JD G, that is a fascinating topic. You bring up some great points about the racquets. Tennis is such a complex game that players get used to their racquets and are unable to switch. Most will play with the same frame for many years. I played with the same racquet for 17 years (Wilson). Would Nadal have won less with a different frame? I don’t know, that is tricky one to answer.
One thing is for sure, the Babolat Pure Aero is the the best racquet for spin no question. But let me leave you with this. How were Vilas and Borg able to impart incredible spin on the ball with wooden racquets and a 66 square inch head size. It’s not racquet that is making spin, it’s the player. There’s a lot of truth in that too.
Intuitive Tennis I love that both Nadal and Federer essentially designed their own racquets to fit their games. It's not just an endorsement. The racquets are so revealing about their approach. Neither is better or worse...just different and really good at what they do.
Thanks again for another great lesson and response!
My pleasure JD, you always bring up excellent topics
Nick, you talk the talk AND Walk the walk, great stuff! Such a capable mentor. Gordon
Thank you Gordon
Awesome video, Nick!
Natachi, 🙏👍
I recall that Capriati and Sampras hit in this way too. Sampras did so very often at the end of his career. Maybe other players also hit in this way but this two I remember now.
Great video. Thanks
Dr., thank you. Much appreciated!
Would the strain on your arm be because your swing is very much arm generated, and your chest faces the net at the end, whereas Rafa employs a lot more body rotation, and finishes facing the side line? So he using his body to lasso the arm, as opposed to the arm muscles creating the speed?
Stewart, It’s not arm generated, there is rotation in every swing. How much depends on how hard you are hitting the ball. If I fully unload the chest will end up parallel to the side fence. The strain is from the unorthodox arm action. If you look at the two Rafa clips I provided in the video you can see his chest facing the net on finish, he didn’t get to fully unload on those shots.
Nadal when he hits that reverse forehand he always uses a straight arm hitting the ball in front of his body. He uses this finish either when he is defensive or offensive. By my guess he chooses this style to get additional topsin. When recreational players try to mimic this they tend to hit the ball late and usually with a bent arm ergo developing wrist and arm problems
dj, ua-cam.com/video/ceOnxq1QLss/v-deo.html
Another great video Nick !!!
Patrick, thanks man 🤙🤙
Interesting. Thanks
tntoncourt, my pleasure
something on his grip you didnt' mention. it's very high in his hand.
meaning the butt of the racket is in his palm and his pointer finger is very high up the racket.
look at a screenshot. most players, especially rec don't hold the racket like this.
he gets his power from his looseness. he whips the racket with the straight arm from low to high, while keeping the face closed. incredible racket lag.
Good video,thank you,coach !
Catalin, 🙏
Great vídeo!
Vitto, Thank you 🙏
Hey Nick, you're great! Your explanations are really helpful and to the point ... so many new facets ... and I checked other Nadal videos and you're right. He mostly doesn t go directly to the hitting arm ear, but to the opposite ear and only then circles back above the head. But ... you also didn t do that in the video - you went directly to the hitting arm ear when mimicking Nadal ;-)
Eike
I tried my best
6:03 he said the thing
Great information. Thank you so much!
Great video, bravo!
Stjepan, thank you🙏
It would be nice to see some slow motion in this video from you hitting the Rafa forehand.
great analysis!!!
This shot is unique to his game because he plays deeper in the court than almost all ATP players and against big hitters who can generate a lot of topspin their balls would jump above his shoulder and he uses this buggy whip shot to counter them.
What is your ball launcer brand?
does the straight arm takeback or method prevent tennis elbow???
You are one of the best online. You're right. This forehand is for a 5.0 or higher. A recreational 4.0 or 4.5 is not gonna get it
I'm sorry but this is not an explanation of his actual forehand...he is normally hitting with ah straight arm not bend like u where practicing it.
Second he hits a normal followthrough in matches as well...like a flat or topsin drive inside out...as well when he is hitting out od the half court.
The swing path from his helicopter swing goes around his head yes...but not near by his ears. so actually the vector is just to the front and then upwards over the head.
just saying
Your right, in the Video you did not Come near to the actual forehand from rafa, the way you copy It is extremly dangereus for the should er and i have to give this Video a disslike
Rafa lasso forhand the best forhand ever.
ah ha, i get to see how you hit inside out or down the line. noticeable foot adjustment, body angle. ie. ua-cam.com/video/X51nK8Q3z-0/v-deo.html not a simple wrist angle adjustment.
tho, it seems to me some high wrist lag(*edit) players eg. federer, can change the angle of the FH via point of contact along the wrist lag path.
how should recreational players execute inside out or down the line? without giving away the intent too much :)
LaBambaC, there are no high wrist players, not even Jack Sock. What you are seeing is wrist flexion after contact. Watch it in 2frames per second and you will see. At contact the wrist is passive.
As far aiming, you can only do it correctly by repetition so that you are not literally aiming. The technical adjustments are made intuitively and are too subtle for the opponent to see.
@@IntuitiveTennis oops, i missed a word, i meant to say high wrist lag. it seems fed can hit to either corner on a short ball without adjusting his footwork, and opponents rarely can guess, ie. fed is able to make the decision very late.
does it not appear some players give away their intent by their footwork/stance?
ok, maybe i need to practice more ;)
thanks!
Not bad at your Rafa forehand, , i thought that reverse forehand was the one hitten by Rafa
Not even close 😂, but I tried
Nadal's assets are his movement in running for the ball: footwork and speed. If you follow his forehand hits, you would break your hitting arm. Follow the principles of physics as Djokovic and Federer, for example. Nadal suffers a lot of injuries more than others.
I think I pass on this one 😂😂😂
There’s a reason why 99.99% of the pros DO NOT take back or finish like him
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Great video, I would also like to correct you that other players use this finish aswell, just that they use it in certain situations, while Nadal uses it 95% of the time.
For example here is Federer:
ua-cam.com/video/Ijm3nHvOeWc/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/_4gJofsuwyk/v-deo.html
Usually Fed uses this finish when on the run and hitting crosscourt (to give himself more arc and time to recover) or when he is hitting short angles, tho sometimes he uses it in other situations aswell perhaps when the ball is low to get it over the net.
But still, cool video!
Here he actually used it on the down the line shot also, trying to get more spin and bounce on it, but thats more rare, minute 2:07:
ua-cam.com/video/8-eYs6MG5xw/v-deo.html
Alen, I need to clarify what I said in the video. There is a difference between the Nadal finish and the reverse finish. All players use the reverse finish in certain situations, however the only player other than Nadal that uses the Rafa finish is Djokovic. I have not seen Federer use the Rafa finish in a match.
What these players do in practice situations is irrelevant, since they can do any shot in the book.
What matters is how these players use their techniques in matches.
Here’s a video of Federer using the regular reverse finish in a match.
ua-cam.com/video/2lK09iYdhJs/v-deo.html
He hit three in this particular clip, all regular reverse forehands in defensive situations. If you can find match footage of Federer hitting the Rafa finish please send it to me.
@@IntuitiveTennis I don't seem to see the difference, for example in your video on 2:52 Federer appears to clearly swing around and his racquet goes over the head, its not as you said over the right shoulder, perhaps its not quite as extreme as Nadal I guess, but its much more towards the left shoulder and around the head as you explained, your version is basically on the right plane of the body and never goes around the head, maybe you can clarify that?
For example that 2:52 forehand looks pretty identical to Nadal forehand here ua-cam.com/video/VZFCuVPMe6s/v-deo.html
Im having a hard time really seeing much of a difference.
Alen, the difference is that all players use the reverse forehand as a purely defensive shot, while Nadal uses it as an offensive weapon.
The 2:52 Federer forehand is struck slightly late and he doesn’t strike it as far across the body as Nadal does. It’s a simple vertical lift of the ball.
A normal Rafa forehand will go across the body towards his right ear, well on the outside of the body before it loops back around the head.
There is a significant difference there compared to a regular reverse forehand.
Try it on the court, it’s very difficult to execute. My arm felt like it was gonna fall off.
No! Rafa is the only one that can hit his forehand!
Hello! Sorry, to antagonize you, but Bjorn Borg was the first to hit the forehand with a lasso look drive. Borg was the first one to have such "new" style, regarding forehands. Actually, he created "that" style... Borg created the modern forehand, different from everyone. It is strange that you do not know this.
ua-cam.com/video/DnphtxmN4bE/v-deo.html
Nik your rafa forehands were terrible 🤣