What's also strange, is that when you hit this way, you'll find you won't even worry about the net and the other side of the net...you'll be addressing just the ball & have a mental image/feel for the geometry of the court. Almost like developing a 6th sense. You'll also be able to work more spin and shape to the ball. Pretty cool feeling. ...and your footwork becomes more active in getting around the ball to find that positional "sweet-spot". Cheers!
yep it definitely feels that way. you just keep looking down this line and when you hit it right, you know the shot was incredible without having to look up. i often notice my call shape is no longer straight when swinging this way, but has some side spin on it causing it to curve through the air. which you’ll notice sometimes in the practice sessions of top pros
After playing for 40 years (high school, college, etc.) and never feeling like I could properly crush forehands, I found this swingpath two years ago. Wow. Total game-changer moment. You've done a great job explaining it. IMO, you know you're hitting it correctly if the ball has a slight sideways hook in its trajectory when you hit full power, like a flattened out banana shot.
exactly! you’re spot on with your assessment of how the ball should fly through the air. many think you need to hook the outside of the ball for the banana shot. but, it’s this swing path that causes this banana shot to occur
The good part is the tension between the body core and the dominant arm. The bad part is not knowing the "Law of 45 degrees". For groundstrokes at contact, you need to get the hips at 45 degrees to the incoming direction of the ball. This is a universal angle for lots of sports. Body mapping is automatic for 45 degrees (although this includes the simpler use of 90 degrees, for up/down, left/right and front back). Close your eyes, then try moving body parts in all sorts of variations of 45 degrees - It's easy.
Another thing, my coach showed me another AMAZING swing path. It is a flat swing, but right before your racket starts the follow through, you rotate your racket like you are twisting a door knob. The flat swing gives the ball insane power, and the twisting of the racket gives spin and height. All of the pros do it if you watch closely.
Well this worked great! I’m a former high school state champ who has to give up tennis decades ago. I discovered pickleball 3 years ago and am a 5.0 player. Since my dad has Alzheimer’s, tennis is about the only fun thing I can do with him so I started playing tennis again this past year. My biggest challenge has been height control. Your video made me think I’m making contact too far in front after my wrist pronates because so many forehands dive into the bottom of the net, especially when hitting on the run. I just tested your solution against a wall and it’s a miracle! Thank you!
The way my coach talks about this swing path is leading my swing with the tip of my racket and aiming for the sweet spot slightly above the centre of the racket towards the tip. It forces good spacing and footwork if you try hitting your groundstrokes like this. Same concept different cur
After watching this video I remember my first impression of Alcaraz’s forehand. I thought “the guy seems to swing the racquet almost to far away from the body “. Now I think I understand what he is doing. Thanks for your video!
Great stuff. Kyrgios for example has extreme windshildwhiper lots of times - for me that doesn't work. I guess problem for most amateurs is lack of shoulder rotation. They try to produce speed and topspin with armpronation and wrist windshild only - and that's a recepie for weak shots that sometimes travel to the sky and other times wiff into the net.
This approach to hitting the ball reminds me of Nelly Korda saying (paraphrasing) when she’s in a groove out on the golf course, she’s just executing her swing and the ball just happens to get in the way.
I began playing with a wood racket in 1979. Without internet I tried to figure out how to play the forehand from books (from the 1950s!). I didn’t understand topspin, and I began to improve my forehand only in the early 2000s, watching UA-cam. But I still don’t have a powerful forehand. I mean, I usually win against people with a better forehand because I outsmart them with a mix of solid game, drop shots, slice, and yes, with my solid and still not great forehand. The first time I began to play a lot of forehand winners was after trying a nextgen forehand! But I am 62 and my wrist told me I shouldn’t go this path. I will go the court and try your forehand, thanks!
thanks for the great reply, adds a lot of value to the community. enjoy the next hitting session, and even if it fails a bunch, that’s just part of the process. got to get through that failure wall before you can get to the other side 💪
Nice one Jibran. Online Tennis Instruction (OTI) also discusses this "inside out" swing path. I'm coaching high school so I'll send this video to the students.
Yes, this is correct. I would like to see some discussion about the swing path after contact too. BTW, Vic Braden taught this exact swing path in his 1977 book Tennis for The Future so the concept has been around a long time. Vic called it an inside out approach to the contact. At and after contact, the swing path begin to pull up and across in the other direction but I think this is more natural than conscious thought.
Hey I’m loving your videos but it would be helpful if you stuck longer with the clips of people actually hitting using these concepts - I found myself rewinding those brief clips to get a visual sense of what you were describing. Thanks!
"Forward and away from the body" is well put. You almost lost me in the beginning with the open mind stuff. Other than that, great video! Informative, concise
Glad to hear you find a stroke you like. I think all top 30 or 50 ATP players swing that way. This so called swing path is a result of the unique shape of the tennis racket. If you pull with a no tension arm, the inertia of the racket will give you this conical helix path. Most players making use of this to find the power. Most of them are hip turn driven player. If they are right handed, their rotation axis will be on their right leg. In close stance, most of them naturally put their weight on the front leg and also as a pivot point. Only the great roger Federer is different. Federer and other good players’ action or body motion may look alike, but I can guaranteed you, They are totally different.
When we talk about loose arm, What does that mean? In most good players, it means relax your arm. For Federer, it means zero arm muscle contraction. The arm is totally passive and will only move by the torso rotation. Now comparing the arm motion. Most ATP players swing with this conical helix path, muscle contraction will make their arm internally rotate, and you will see the pronation of their forearm. If you draw a shoulder to shoulder line, their elbow will catch up and run ahead of this shoulder line much much before ball contact. It’s a naturally outcome of muscle contraction. Now take a look on roger federer, his elbow stays behind this line up to moment right before ball contact. And his passive forearm pronation is finished in a blink. This difference makes Federer stroke has a higher acceleration compare to other player but less energy input. I think many Good players know the difference but they just can’t copy that. Do you know why?
@@freddieng2010very interesting observations, thank you! What causes the fact that only Federer shows that pattern, you think? Does he also turn his shoulders more or is it caused by pivoting on the left foot? Please elaborate on these, if you have time :) Be well
i've heard the classic "hit through the ball" / "from low to high". nvr really understood them. am a badminton player transitioned to tennis player, biggest difference is the racket face hitting into own body (badminton), and hitting away from body (tennis). to keep my best contact point was always to position my body sideways and time my arm and the ball such that the contact lands when my arm is in front of my chest. funny enough even if my body is back facing the fence, the contact point still works. just need to adjust the swing and the racket face to the court. this trick for myself only works for forehand.
Nice video. I’ve found great success teaching juniors and even absolute beginners with this. I combine this with breathing technique to get them to release / throw as they swing away from the body. There are a double or YTube videos out there on the natural swing, including with seniors practicing this barefoot on the beach ; ) Good stuff
I think this needs to be revisited and discuss in better detail where the ball should be struck and at what point in the swing path. I know he touches on it a bit but it's more crucial than he seems to make it.
Then you probably didn’t checked all the channels 😎 it’s a circular motion already since the 70s and contact is made between a 30 and 60 degree angle which every decent coach should know 🤔
I still need to test few of ur concepts but i found some of things you are saying by my self as well, this throwing racket to the side works verry well way better tan trying throw it to the front where you aiming at causing overrotation
The question ive always is whether my swing should feel more like pulling or pushing out to contact. What you describe in this video has always been my interpretation of the “swing inside out” swing path advice. However, i have found two different sensations when following this advice. One where i feel like im pushing the racket away from my body, and one where i feel like pulling the racket beside my body. Pushing feels like more control. Pulling has more power. Im not sure which way is the “right” way.
I am curious if you are left or right eye dominant and do you believe it matters as far as how you track the ball for spacing and hitting out in front.I am a lefty too and am left eye dominant. I get out in front easier on backhand. I was told I need to keep my head more forward as to be able to track my lefty forehand with my left eye dominance, what do you think?
I started trying hitting the ball with more topspin, and now my elbow is hurting me. I used to just bring the racquet straight back and hit through the ball and I used to hit very flat and my elbow never hurt me. Thank you for posting this video I am going to try this and see how that works.
awesome! make sure when you try it out, don’t go too high on the stress level (ie don’t have too much variability in the balms that are coming to you). you want to give your body and brain the ability to trust the new way and start recording the new neuro pathways for this new movement. if the stress level is too high, you’ll continue to do the old swing
Thanks very much for the upload! I agree with you 2000% about the swing path, I just could t figure out how to explain this (knowledge transfer it) to my kid because, 😮unfortunately she’s got the same “hitting through the ball” issues with everything bad, related to this… I watched your video and didn’t see the “click here link”. Please post in the reply. Also, do you have a website I can visit and ping you by any chance? Thanks in advance!
Thanks! Bro - my 15year old’s FH is in the 5-digits already, I am happy to show my appreciation for your suggestion simply because it resonated THIS much with me! Again, I understand the concept 100%. My biggest deal is, how do I transfer this knowledge onto my kid. What is the message that will make her click to finally more consistent on her FH. Don’t get me wrong, she has a great “ATP Style” FH. However, it’s not consistent and this is exactly the reason. All previous coaches focus on take back, “petting the dog” (I dislike that term, and dislike the way it’s being taught) contact up front, hit through the ball etc etc… but like you said, it’s NOT about hitting through! Sure, if your timing is 150% correct and you don’t flinch or sneeze at contact, you might have a perfect racquet face angle and able to hit through… but what if you don’t? Takes absolutely nothing for that racquet face to open just a hair and the ball is going to sail long. I am down here in SE FL. I see many players doing exactly what I just described above, all believing they have the perfect stroke mechanics. Yet, on the side lines while standing there, I can literally read “penn-1” on the ball flying over the net. Funny but sad at the same time. “Walk the dog” combined with the “hit through the ball” promotes a Slapping motion. So players end up slapping the ball with barely any spin on it. Anyhow, I am going off the tangent here lol! Thanks again!
thanks so much! it means a lot. yeah, the “hit through the ball” is really a tough one and it’s often never the kid’s fault where they end up in life, but due to how and what they are instructed. for the “pat the dog” it’s bad because you’re “putting it in a position” rather than “letting it be in a position” and getting there naturally through other mechanisms (i’ve got a future vid coming up where i talk about how it’s more of a dragging of the racket tip, which should feel super heavy, and “by chance” the racket gets into the “pat the dog” position, but it is not placed there forcefully). big issue in tennis coaching is i’ve never heard anyone ever talk about “feel vs real”, which is massive in golf. this leads to a lot of coaches teaching exactly what they see, but it’s not about what you see because what you see is often not what the player feels and is not what they are trying to do at all. for example, many people may think “well he’s still hitting through the ball” but as i’ve explained in this video, i’m most definitely not trying to hit through the ball. “feel vs real” is real lol
yes hahaha. i have another vid coming up on that channel where i compare the RF97, RF97A, Pro Staff V6 85, Blade 98, Blade 98 Pro, RF01, and RF01 Pro 👀
@@jibrandoesthings so…. I’ve seen that video and I actually screen recorded part of it. Not bc of the strings but because of your FH lol! This must have been like 2 months ago. The camera angle was from the side only. Suggestion: you should figure out how to record from top down. Not sure how feasible it is but no one else doing it. And to really understand the swing path, that’d be huge! Imo
@@tesladiesel2420 i've got a DJI drone so i can do top down, i just gotta not be lazy and take the drone out of the bag more often lol. i only take it out when i want a specific shot, but it wouldn't be bad to always have it out. i got my 2nd camera back so i may also start having that camera out as well, so i can have a back view, side view, and above view shot all at one time!
Finally, i got it. I asked to you some concept of this swing before, and i just do it on court. And i can saw my best forehand shot. Actually, i need some more shot practice about balls of various heights, but i'm so happy to find this channel. Thank you very much.
Yep, you pronounced right the first time. The "z" in Alcaraz in Spanish sounds like "th" in math, wrath or path in English. So, it should be pronounced "Alcarath".
Interesting observations. I’ve seen lots of coaches describe this as an inside out swing path. I like your description of the 30 degree angle. I tried it when I played last night and honestly it felt good. No concrete arm. I’ve seen some coaches say to hit at 45 degree angle, I tried that too but I don’t feel as good as hitting at 30 degree angle as you suggested . It feels different, I just feel like I’m waiting for the ball a little longer and the ball is on the strings longer. What do you think?
yep exactly. your observations are the same as mine. waiting a bit longer instead of accidentally reaching for the ball. feels like the balls stay on the strings a tad longer. allows your head to stay down looking at contact more easily too
@@jibrandoesthings So much stuff out there. If it works for you, who cares what others think or say. Its fun sharing and seeing if stuff works. Most of your points are well explained. I'll try send you a link to a very interesting UA-cam video by an eccentric guy who has a different take on the elastic stretch cycle than you. He provides examples of how we can control the extent of the stretch. I'm interested for you to see it and hear what you think of it.
Bro: first of all, please enable the Super Thanks feature on your videos. I wanted to help you out a little, because last night watching THIS, the 💡went off in my head…. Not that this swing path is something new to me, rather, I just realized how I can teach this to my kid…! You said a lot of things that grabbed my attention in a huge way! So plz, enable to Super Thanks feature under this feed. 😊😊
i’m glad it clicked! most importantly, i’m glad that this will be able to help out your kid! how old? they are fortunate they will get to learn it at such a young age :)
When you're talking about a swing path at 30 degrees, are we focusing on the path that the arm goes or where the racquet head goes? Also, is it more correct to say that it's a 45 degree angle we're aiming for, however we conceptualize it? That seems to be how your arrow is pointing at 9:54
yes in this clip it was at a 45, but i’ve since adjusted all my practices to be the 30 because in all my matches since filming that clip, i was still way too far in front at contact. when i adjusted to the 30 degree angle for myself, it fixed all my issues of being way too far in front.
in terms of contact, the racket head’s contact with the ball should be at contact, the arm can be in front. the arm should swing out toward a 30 degree angle.
Don't compete at this stage . Try identify after the day aboye style or another style . The use of strikes is easier with less. So I might simplify it has to begin somewhere then the apparell then or first apparel all of the options simplify by reducing too many options. Then that's thexstragetty. The laughter dies not stop this binds I remember by not returning memory but by no time. So the energy expenditure is less after time wins rise but there have I eaten more or my devusion higher therefore to play yo help there or learn there. To not have too much is good
Nadal, Djorkvic Murray and the great Federer are all torso turn driven players, there are two kinetic chains operating at the same time when in their motions. Their rotation axis are built in their spine. And Only Federer forehand is playing with body elements and racket inertia. Alcaraz is hip turn driven player. His motion has only one kinetic chain. His rotation axis is his dominant foot. Not a question of good or bad. But they are all different.
First of all, you will never see Federer holding the racket by one single arm, or it is support by the non dominant arm or in a falling motion. Because his right arm is 100% no muscle contraction. Under that circumstance, if anyone try to copy that, you can imagine if you see a flying ball come to you, the first 1000 stroke I can guaranteed you will contract you muscle and try to hit the ball. Then you will go back try to shadow swing and make sure you can suppress that active muscle contraction. This time when a ball is flying to you, you find out the timing is totally different. You just cannot hit the ball! Miss it every time. Then you gave up!!!! I saw so many these kind of cases.
yeah i tell my players to feel like the non hitting hand is propping up the racket. if the non playing hand weren’t there, the racket would just flop down.
just change where the racket face is pointing at contact, swing path is still the same. arm might come a bit more forward instead but it’s a slight difference, but you should still swing out and away. best thing to do besides theorizing about it is to give it a try and see what happens my friend
yes in this clip it is but since then (that was back in april 2024) i entered many tournaments and kept hitting way too far in front. when i adjusted it to a 30 degree angle it fixed everything
What's also strange, is that when you hit this way, you'll find you won't even worry about the net and the other side of the net...you'll be addressing just the ball & have a mental image/feel for the geometry of the court. Almost like developing a 6th sense. You'll also be able to work more spin and shape to the ball. Pretty cool feeling. ...and your footwork becomes more active in getting around the ball to find that positional "sweet-spot". Cheers!
yep it definitely feels that way. you just keep looking down this line and when you hit it right, you know the shot was incredible without having to look up. i often notice my call shape is no longer straight when swinging this way, but has some side spin on it causing it to curve through the air. which you’ll notice sometimes in the practice sessions of top pros
After playing for 40 years (high school, college, etc.) and never feeling like I could properly crush forehands, I found this swingpath two years ago. Wow. Total game-changer moment. You've done a great job explaining it. IMO, you know you're hitting it correctly if the ball has a slight sideways hook in its trajectory when you hit full power, like a flattened out banana shot.
exactly! you’re spot on with your assessment of how the ball should fly through the air. many think you need to hook the outside of the ball for the banana shot. but, it’s this swing path that causes this banana shot to occur
Banana bend inside-out or to the pull-side?
bends inside out. can you clarify what you mean by “pull-side”
Opposite of “inside-out” (“inside-in”, I guess, though that’s not commonly used). Like pulling a baseball. Hooking it.
yeah a banana shot will have a hook shot where it bends out and then hooks back in. like a draw in golf
The good part is the tension between the body core and the dominant arm.
The bad part is not knowing the "Law of 45 degrees". For groundstrokes at contact, you need to get the hips at 45 degrees to the incoming direction of the ball.
This is a universal angle for lots of sports.
Body mapping is automatic for 45 degrees (although this includes the simpler use of 90 degrees, for up/down, left/right and front back). Close your eyes, then try moving body parts in all sorts of variations of 45 degrees - It's easy.
Another thing, my coach showed me another AMAZING swing path. It is a flat swing, but right before your racket starts the follow through, you rotate your racket like you are twisting a door knob. The flat swing gives the ball insane power, and the twisting of the racket gives spin and height. All of the pros do it if you watch closely.
Well this worked great! I’m a former high school state champ who has to give up tennis decades ago. I discovered pickleball 3 years ago and am a 5.0 player. Since my dad has Alzheimer’s, tennis is about the only fun thing I can do with him so I started playing tennis again this past year. My biggest challenge has been height control. Your video made me think I’m making contact too far in front after my wrist pronates because so many forehands dive into the bottom of the net, especially when hitting on the run. I just tested your solution against a wall and it’s a miracle! Thank you!
The way my coach talks about this swing path is leading my swing with the tip of my racket and aiming for the sweet spot slightly above the centre of the racket towards the tip.
It forces good spacing and footwork if you try hitting your groundstrokes like this. Same concept different cur
Jibran. Awesome video!!! I’m
Can you do a backhand video?
After watching this video I remember my first impression of Alcaraz’s forehand. I thought “the guy seems to swing the racquet almost to far away from the body “. Now I think I understand what he is doing. Thanks for your video!
Great stuff.
Kyrgios for example has extreme windshildwhiper lots of times - for me that doesn't work.
I guess problem for most amateurs is lack of shoulder rotation. They try to produce speed and topspin with armpronation and wrist windshild only - and that's a recepie for weak shots that sometimes travel to the sky and other times wiff into the net.
You’re absolutely correct about this!
This approach to hitting the ball reminds me of Nelly Korda saying (paraphrasing) when she’s in a groove out on the golf course, she’s just executing her swing and the ball just happens to get in the way.
Jibran. Awesome video!!!
Can you do a backhand video?
I began playing with a wood racket in 1979. Without internet I tried to figure out how to play the forehand from books (from the 1950s!). I didn’t understand topspin, and I began to improve my forehand only in the early 2000s, watching UA-cam. But I still don’t have a powerful forehand. I mean, I usually win against people with a better forehand because I outsmart them with a mix of solid game, drop shots, slice, and yes, with my solid and still not great forehand. The first time I began to play a lot of forehand winners was after trying a nextgen forehand! But I am 62 and my wrist told me I shouldn’t go this path. I will go the court and try your forehand, thanks!
i’ve got something come up for your wrist next week!
thanks for the great reply, adds a lot of value to the community. enjoy the next hitting session, and even if it fails a bunch, that’s just part of the process. got to get through that failure wall before you can get to the other side 💪
Nice one Jibran. Online Tennis Instruction (OTI) also discusses this "inside out" swing path. I'm coaching high school so I'll send this video to the students.
awesome! i hope it helps them!
Fault tolerant forehand emphasizes the out vector also
Yes, this is correct. I would like to see some discussion about the swing path after contact too. BTW, Vic Braden taught this exact swing path in his 1977 book Tennis for The Future so the concept has been around a long time. Vic called it an inside out approach to the contact. At and after contact, the swing path begin to pull up and across in the other direction but I think this is more natural than conscious thought.
Hey I’m loving your videos but it would be helpful if you stuck longer with the clips of people actually hitting using these concepts - I found myself rewinding those brief clips to get a visual sense of what you were describing. Thanks!
"Forward and away from the body" is well put.
You almost lost me in the beginning with the open mind stuff. Other than that, great video! Informative, concise
Expert manipulation in the beginning! Bravo 👏👏👏
Glad to hear you find a stroke you like.
I think all top 30 or 50 ATP players swing that way.
This so called swing path is a result of the unique shape of the tennis racket.
If you pull with a no tension arm, the inertia of the racket will give you this conical helix path.
Most players making use of this to find the power.
Most of them are hip turn driven player.
If they are right handed, their rotation axis will be on their right leg.
In close stance, most of them naturally put their weight on the front leg and also as a pivot point.
Only the great roger Federer is different.
Federer and other good players’ action or body motion may look alike,
but I can guaranteed you,
They are totally different.
How they are then?
When we talk about loose arm,
What does that mean?
In most good players, it means relax your arm.
For Federer, it means zero arm muscle contraction. The arm is totally passive and will only move by the torso rotation.
Now comparing the arm motion.
Most ATP players swing with this conical helix path, muscle contraction will make their arm internally rotate, and you will see the pronation of their forearm.
If you draw a shoulder to shoulder line, their elbow will catch up and run ahead of this shoulder line much much before ball contact.
It’s a naturally outcome of muscle contraction.
Now take a look on roger federer, his elbow stays behind this line up to moment right before ball contact. And his passive forearm pronation is finished in a blink.
This difference makes Federer stroke has a higher acceleration compare to other player but less energy input.
I think many Good players know the difference but they just can’t copy that.
Do you know why?
@@freddieng2010very interesting observations, thank you!
What causes the fact that only Federer shows that pattern, you think?
Does he also turn his shoulders more or is it caused by pivoting on the left foot?
Please elaborate on these, if you have time :)
Be well
i've heard the classic "hit through the ball" / "from low to high". nvr really understood them. am a badminton player transitioned to tennis player, biggest difference is the racket face hitting into own body (badminton), and hitting away from body (tennis). to keep my best contact point was always to position my body sideways and time my arm and the ball such that the contact lands when my arm is in front of my chest. funny enough even if my body is back facing the fence, the contact point still works. just need to adjust the swing and the racket face to the court. this trick for myself only works for forehand.
Nice video. I’ve found great success teaching juniors and even absolute beginners with this. I combine this with breathing technique to get them to release / throw as they swing away from the body. There are a double or YTube videos out there on the natural swing, including with seniors practicing this barefoot on the beach ; )
Good stuff
that’s great! yep breathing is definitely a great rest to get them in sync with this
I think this needs to be revisited and discuss in better detail where the ball should be struck and at what point in the swing path. I know he touches on it a bit but it's more crucial than he seems to make it.
Then you probably didn’t checked all the channels 😎 it’s a circular motion already since the 70s and contact is made between a 30 and 60 degree angle which every decent coach should know 🤔
Not seeing the “Click on this video” for the power secrets vid.
next vid comes out in 3-5 days. the whole “click the next vid” makes sense once all the vids are complete hahaha sorry about that 😬 😂
@@jibrandoesthings😢 😢 O-kay
my bad 😂
I still need to test few of ur concepts but i found some of things you are saying by my self as well, this throwing racket to the side works verry well way better tan trying throw it to the front where you aiming at causing overrotation
The question ive always is whether my swing should feel more like pulling or pushing out to contact. What you describe in this video has always been my interpretation of the “swing inside out” swing path advice. However, i have found two different sensations when following this advice. One where i feel like im pushing the racket away from my body, and one where i feel like pulling the racket beside my body. Pushing feels like more control. Pulling has more power. Im not sure which way is the “right” way.
check out the next video, and you’ll have your answer :)
I am curious if you are left or right eye dominant and do you believe it matters as far as how you track the ball for spacing and hitting out in front.I am a lefty too and am left eye dominant. I get out in front easier on backhand. I was told I need to keep my head more forward as to be able to track my lefty forehand with my left eye dominance, what do you think?
I started trying hitting the ball with more topspin, and now my elbow is hurting me. I used to just bring the racquet straight back and hit through the ball and I used to hit very flat and my elbow never hurt me. Thank you for posting this video I am going to try this and see how that works.
awesome! make sure when you try it out, don’t go too high on the stress level (ie don’t have too much variability in the balms that are coming to you). you want to give your body and brain the ability to trust the new way and start recording the new neuro pathways for this new movement. if the stress level is too high, you’ll continue to do the old swing
Thanks very much for the upload! I agree with you 2000% about the swing path, I just could t figure out how to explain this (knowledge transfer it) to my kid because, 😮unfortunately she’s got the same “hitting through the ball” issues with everything bad, related to this…
I watched your video and didn’t see the “click here link”. Please post in the reply. Also, do you have a website I can visit and ping you by any chance? Thanks in advance!
i have a link in the description you can book a time to talk with me
Great video, super good explanation. I’m curious, what grip do you use now?
i am on the “eastern” side of semi-western
Thanks!
Bro - my 15year old’s FH is in the 5-digits already, I am happy to show my appreciation for your suggestion simply because it resonated THIS much with me! Again, I understand the concept 100%. My biggest deal is, how do I transfer this knowledge onto my kid. What is the message that will make her click to finally more consistent on her FH. Don’t get me wrong, she has a great “ATP Style” FH. However, it’s not consistent and this is exactly the reason. All previous coaches focus on take back, “petting the dog” (I dislike that term, and dislike the way it’s being taught) contact up front, hit through the ball etc etc… but like you said, it’s NOT about hitting through! Sure, if your timing is 150% correct and you don’t flinch or sneeze at contact, you might have a perfect racquet face angle and able to hit through… but what if you don’t? Takes absolutely nothing for that racquet face to open just a hair and the ball is going to sail long. I am down here in SE FL. I see many players doing exactly what I just described above, all believing they have the perfect stroke mechanics. Yet, on the side lines while standing there, I can literally read “penn-1” on the ball flying over the net. Funny but sad at the same time. “Walk the dog” combined with the “hit through the ball” promotes a Slapping motion. So players end up slapping the ball with barely any spin on it. Anyhow, I am going off the tangent here lol! Thanks again!
thanks so much! it means a lot. yeah, the “hit through the ball” is really a tough one and it’s often never the kid’s fault where they end up in life, but due to how and what they are instructed. for the “pat the dog” it’s bad because you’re “putting it in a position” rather than “letting it be in a position” and getting there naturally through other mechanisms (i’ve got a future vid coming up where i talk about how it’s more of a dragging of the racket tip, which should feel super heavy, and “by chance” the racket gets into the “pat the dog” position, but it is not placed there forcefully).
big issue in tennis coaching is i’ve never heard anyone ever talk about “feel vs real”, which is massive in golf. this leads to a lot of coaches teaching exactly what they see, but it’s not about what you see because what you see is often not what the player feels and is not what they are trying to do at all. for example, many people may think “well he’s still hitting through the ball” but as i’ve explained in this video, i’m most definitely not trying to hit through the ball. “feel vs real” is real lol
@@jibrandoesthings by the way: are you the one who tested weed wacker strings in the racquet a while ago? 😀
yes hahaha. i have another vid coming up on that channel where i compare the RF97, RF97A, Pro Staff V6 85, Blade 98, Blade 98 Pro, RF01, and RF01 Pro 👀
@@jibrandoesthings so…. I’ve seen that video and I actually screen recorded part of it. Not bc of the strings but because of your FH lol! This must have been like 2 months ago. The camera angle was from the side only. Suggestion: you should figure out how to record from top down. Not sure how feasible it is but no one else doing it. And to really understand the swing path, that’d be huge! Imo
@@tesladiesel2420 i've got a DJI drone so i can do top down, i just gotta not be lazy and take the drone out of the bag more often lol. i only take it out when i want a specific shot, but it wouldn't be bad to always have it out. i got my 2nd camera back so i may also start having that camera out as well, so i can have a back view, side view, and above view shot all at one time!
How do older players learn elastic hip rotation? You only work with juniors?
Finally, i got it.
I asked to you some concept of this swing before, and i just do it on court.
And i can saw my best forehand shot.
Actually, i need some more shot practice about balls of various heights, but i'm so happy to find this channel.
Thank you very much.
Thanks for the great video. Does this apply to double handed backhands as well?
yep! everything is the same on both sides, as well as for 1BH
Yep, you pronounced right the first time. The "z" in Alcaraz in Spanish sounds like "th" in math, wrath or path in English. So, it should be pronounced "Alcarath".
that one year livin in spain got me right 😤
How does this line drill work in open stance. Is the swing path still the same angle?
yes
Interesting observations. I’ve seen lots of coaches describe this as an inside out swing path. I like your description of the 30 degree angle. I tried it when I played last night and honestly it felt good. No concrete arm. I’ve seen some coaches say to hit at 45 degree angle, I tried that too but I don’t feel as good as hitting at 30 degree angle as you suggested . It feels different, I just feel like I’m waiting for the ball a little longer and the ball is on the strings longer. What do you think?
yep exactly. your observations are the same as mine. waiting a bit longer instead of accidentally reaching for the ball. feels like the balls stay on the strings a tad longer. allows your head to stay down looking at contact more easily too
@@jibrandoesthings So much stuff out there. If it works for you, who cares what others think or say. Its fun sharing and seeing if stuff works. Most of your points are well explained. I'll try send you a link to a very interesting UA-cam video by an eccentric guy who has a different take on the elastic stretch cycle than you. He provides examples of how we can control the extent of the stretch. I'm interested for you to see it and hear what you think of it.
great send it over. if YT won’t let you comment it, email it to me jibrandoesthings@gmail.com
@@jibrandoesthings I just sent to you. I tried before but UA-cam deleted my message.
great!
Bro: first of all, please enable the Super Thanks feature on your videos. I wanted to help you out a little, because last night watching THIS, the 💡went off in my head…. Not that this swing path is something new to me, rather, I just realized how I can teach this to my kid…! You said a lot of things that grabbed my attention in a huge way! So plz, enable to Super Thanks feature under this feed. 😊😊
ok i just enabled the super thanks 😂
i’m glad it clicked! most importantly, i’m glad that this will be able to help out your kid! how old? they are fortunate they will get to learn it at such a young age :)
Awesome!
When you're talking about a swing path at 30 degrees, are we focusing on the path that the arm goes or where the racquet head goes?
Also, is it more correct to say that it's a 45 degree angle we're aiming for, however we conceptualize it? That seems to be how your arrow is pointing at 9:54
yes in this clip it was at a 45, but i’ve since adjusted all my practices to be the 30 because in all my matches since filming that clip, i was still way too far in front at contact. when i adjusted to the 30 degree angle for myself, it fixed all my issues of being way too far in front.
in terms of contact, the racket head’s contact with the ball should be at contact, the arm can be in front. the arm should swing out toward a 30 degree angle.
i would say the 45 is not a more correct degree angle we are aiming for
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Nadal, Djorkvic Murray and the great Federer are all torso turn driven players, there are two kinetic chains operating at the same time when in their motions.
Their rotation axis are built in their spine.
And Only Federer forehand is playing with body elements and racket inertia.
Alcaraz is hip turn driven player. His motion has only one kinetic chain.
His rotation axis is his dominant foot.
Not a question of good or bad.
But they are all different.
yes i agree, all different. my next video describes that there are two different elastic based swings, as you’ll see
How long take you to address the ball with your relax arm?
Your progress is great!
i suppose it depends on how fast the ball is coming at me. can you give me an example and then i can try to answer
First of all, you will never see Federer holding the racket by one single arm, or it is support by the non dominant arm or in a falling motion.
Because his right arm is 100% no muscle contraction.
Under that circumstance, if anyone try to copy that, you can imagine if you see a flying ball come to you, the first 1000 stroke I can guaranteed you will contract you muscle and try to hit the ball.
Then you will go back try to shadow swing and make sure you can suppress that active muscle contraction.
This time when a ball is flying to you, you find out the timing is totally different.
You just cannot hit the ball!
Miss it every time.
Then you gave up!!!!
I saw so many these kind of cases.
yeah i tell my players to feel like the non hitting hand is propping up the racket. if the non playing hand weren’t there, the racket would just flop down.
I'll try it... but it seems like this is how to hit inside out FHs (which are my favorite)... how to hit crosscourt FHs w/ this swingpath?
just change where the racket face is pointing at contact, swing path is still the same. arm might come a bit more forward instead but it’s a slight difference, but you should still swing out and away. best thing to do besides theorizing about it is to give it a try and see what happens my friend
W vid but how does this work on the backhand?
could you show some examples next vid
works the same on the backhand side! i’ll make future vids dedicated to the backhand
Would agree but slightly different on the SHB but principle is the same.
9:45 @Jibran Does Things, looks more like a 45 degree angle ?
yes in this clip it is but since then (that was back in april 2024) i entered many tournaments and kept hitting way too far in front. when i adjusted it to a 30 degree angle it fixed everything
Click the video right where?
it comes out tomorrow
I honestly thought throughout the video, since when Federer is left handed, until I realised it was mirrored 😂🤦♂
😂 sorry i’m about to mess w a whole lotta people bc ain’t no one wayyyy i’m flippin’ myself around lolll i like to analyze these vids too haha
@@jibrandoesthings Haha I like it since I'm left handed myself 😅
lefty gang 😤 🤝
Hy jibran
hey!
Talk, talk, talk. Better more pictures and film.
Also way too verbose. Says in 20 sentences what can be said in 1
Summary of the video:
Swing low too high and inside out.
wth lol i never said swing low to high and i 100% do not recommend that to ever taught. you clearly did not pay attention
Jibran. Awesome video!!!
Can you do a backhand video?