We Tested the MOST POPULAR Disc Golf Myths
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Hunter and Konner head back out to test some more disc golf myths that we left out last time!
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Any time you say Pros and Cons it should be a picture of Brodie on one side and Kon on the other
Maybe if Brodie was wearing lipstick and a mini skirt...
@@TheButlerNZwhat are you yapping about
@@oakmusiccc If Kon's the kon... Brodie must be the... one on the corner in fishnet stockings...
I use flightnumbers as a loose guide for what the manufacturer intended the flight to be, mostly in comparison to their own line up (or to signal what kind of disc it is similar to, ”this is our destroyer” being the most common).
When you add different plastics into the mix that obviously makes it more unspecific. But it gives you a general idea, that you can apply to your own knowledge of stability differences in a manufacturers different plastics.
So many disc golf video thumbnails show someone with a surprised look on their face, but this is about the best one I've seen.
This is the kind of content we need more of please
Absolutely love kon kon. “Well my opinion was that i only care about the science” 😂 super quick and witty.
When it comes to the weight question, watch Eagle with a 150’s Fission Fireball and it’s still beef. I think the weight issue comes to this: if you can get 165 to speed, it’s better for you than 172. If you can get 172 you may lose stability in lighter weights (disc technology and rim width adds more options with weight).
I like to throw lighter weight discs on longer courses, my arm will hurt a lot towards the end of a round when most of the holes are 350+ ft if I'm throwing max weight. I've started to throw a couple of my bomber discs in lighter plastic to help offset some of that fatigue
@7:27 The light discs flip more and go farther because you can throw them faster. They are flying more true to their speed because the thrower not the disc. For the majority of people lighter (within reason) is better.
Yall always inspire me. You guys are the reason I’m attempting to make content myself so thank you🥹
Flight numbers are more consistent within same brand and are also somewhat consistent across brands there are certain molds and or plastics that the numbers are just off completely
For the light weight comparison I wish you would have added in some overmolded technology from MVP/ Axiom. I know I have some super light stuff that I can not make flip to save my life.
A "myth" I argue with people about often is that discs with more dome have more lateral movement. I believe the opposite, that flat discs have more drastic left to right movements than their domey counterparts.
I think the difference in the distance comes in the fairway speeds up to the distant driver speeds. If you have an 8 speed arm, the 12 speed disc won't go further than the 8 speed disc. I think that's the myth that should be tested. Not necessarily in the putter and midrange speeds because even newbies will have those speeds in them.
It's finally back
Maybe someone else commented this, but why did the cicada turn when thrown on a hyzer and not thrown flat?
does discs with some understability turn more when thrown on a hyzer angle!? have i missed something?
im a LHBH / RHFH player because of shoulder injury so this information would help my game alot!
Could be a wind or spin thing
My biggest argument about flight numbers not being accurate is look at the King and Queen from Westside. The Kings numbers compared to a destroyer. King 14/5/-1.5/3 Destroyer 12/5/-1/3. In theory the king should be more stable than a destroyer with the faster disc speed.... But the king is a hyzer flip to roller disc
The flight numbers would make more sense to me if they used a more objective method of arriving at them (I am currently unaware of how they arrive at the flight numbers. They seem subjective/arbitrary because they fly differently for people). If they used a specific arm speed/rpm’s/angle of release/nose angle to arrive at them, that would make more sense to me.
As far as I know, they just have a bunch of experienced people throw them and get feedback as to what they think the flight numbers should be and they take the average.
And the tests would make more sense if they if they made any sense at all
@@feelthepayne88 I guess that would make them more accurate to more experienced players, but still very much subjective due to different variables. Thanks for the info!
Nice video! I feel like there used to be another guy though. I forgot his name at this point it's been so long. Was it Tremor?
Why did you guys choose a leopard3 instead of a tl which is a 7,5,-1,1?
Does an under stable disc turn right on its own?
I was playing my second ever tournament last month, MA4, and a card mate did a "you should get a NICE score on this one" after my drive landed 15ft from the basket. I then 3 putted for my bogey...HAHA 😥
Backhand flex shots fly farther than hyzer flips.
The reason your forehand flex is going farther than your flip up is due to your lack of timing and engagement of your hips in your run up, poor nose angle, disc selection, and inconsistent follow through. Slow is smooth, smooth is far then build from there. With flex shots, you're starting the flight of the disc where a flip up gets to halfway in its flight when thrown properly, whether it be backhand or forehand.
Maverick has almost the same flight numbers as the river but would have turned and burned so fast you could market it as a roller disc
The heavy vs light disc decision is also heavily due to wind break for me. It's a lot harder to throw lightweight discs consistently in basically any wind from what I have seen (at least at my lower level of play).
Disc battle idea. Roll three dice to get a total. You then can pick discs of your choice, but the speed ratings must add up to the total you rolled with the dice
Konner, sick lefty. "I am getting comfortable - that's dangerous"
Yes, I bag a Leopard and it’s more understable than the numbers say, but that’s why I bag it but prefer a Roadrunner. I just started playing a couple years ago. I’m in my 50’s. I’m moving towards lighter discs. No shame here.
I don’t know about y’all but the “nice shot” myth makes me want to side with Brodie on the “don’t say good round until after 18s done. 🤷♂️😎🤙
This was a great video
If they ever make a documentary about Hunter, Andrew Garfield should play him
wait has konner just been left handed this whole time and he’s just been throwing with the wrong hand? that would explain a whole lot tbh.
Myth: if you were to smack the camera from the opposite direction at the end of the video, it would open a time loop and replay the video.
You can bullseye your friends ankles way more consistently than parking on the pin with an upshot of the same distance...
I can bullseye my mates all day long... go to do an upshot and I donate my disk to a river etc.
1:50 Gstar makes this feel less scientific
Ya I saw that too.
Took like eight throws for me to realize you’re throwing next to Trev’s fav hole
Hunter throws a hyzer flip turn over. Connor: “it’s in no way flippy” … yo Conner wtf you smoking bro I want some that disc way flippy as fuck😂😂 he he threw that flat it would have been a roller like come on Conner you’re smarter then that😂
There’s a million 5-5-0-0 mids. That would’ve been more accurate for myth 1. (I agree with y’all, just a poor disc selection)
Hahahhaa flight patterns DON’T matter….it just gives you an “idea” of how it SHOULD fly 😂. It matters on how beat in it is PLUS how you as an individual throws it 🤦♂️.
The forehand hyzer flip will give you more distance you guys just don't have a power forehand to really fully test it. Also your disc selections probably were not the right choices either.
Lynchburg home of Jack Daniel's?
All my discs fly about the same. Might get 10 feet farther on my drivers
I’ve seen enough. We need a lefty 9 hole battle. Hunt, Trevdaddy, & The Conman in a left handed affair. But. You get 3 mulligans, that you are allowed to throw right handed. Who’s the most amberdexterous
Great idea
this needs to happen!
Definitely sounds like a good video
You actually learn so much from training your left hand to throw. You have to work across your brain and breakdown your form to basics. Konner's got it figured out!!
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Yes.
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Ahh.. you got me. Take your like. 🤝
Hex yeah!
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KONNER THE LEFTY??? Some serious lower body engagement in those throws, my guy! That part is always the toughest for me when I try to throw lefty.
Missed opportunity to call this discbusters
For the "always throw max weight discs" can we revisit it during a windy day? Heavy discs are said to handle wind better then lighter discs due to needing more energy to move them. (kinda where this myth comes from) Id love to see this again but going into head winds, tail winds, left to right. and right to left. FH and BH if possible.
i think a fun spin on the numbers would be to do a challenge 4 discs you give the numbers of all four then the contestants have to guess from the flight which disc is what numbers
On the lefty throws, I feel like it's also possible that you just got better from throw 1 to throw 9.
If you throw with me you're getting "niced" all over the place, I just like watching a disc fly. Sorry friends....
i feel like for the flight number test you could have just taken the same disc in different plastics to show that they are not accurate.
You’ll need a disc launcher to get the best accuracy when comparing flights.
Flight numbers to me are a starting point. There are so many variables. Weight, plastic type, used or new. They'll get you in the ball park.
Plus how one throws it. No one can throw a disc EXACTLY the same every time. A centimeter of change in your posture from throw to throw can even affect things.
I feel like there’s a lot of room for human error in this type of video…
Don't forget that the type of plastic will affect the flight of the same disc mold. Flight numbers may be a perfect match for Champion plastic but way off for DX plastic of the same disc.
I disagree with your 'Busted' with flight numbers matter. The discs seemed to consistently prove the slight changes in numbers: the one speed faster disc didn't flip as much as the slower one, the one with more turn turned more and so on. Are flight numbers entirely correct? No. Do they matter? From your test: yes, absolutely!
Not only that, but 7 speed discs aren't meant to be ripped like a 12 speed disc. If you throw them all at a slower speed their flight paths would've been even more similar.
the audible snap when throwing is made from fingers leaving the disc not fingers hitting your palm.
I get snap with a 1 finger forehand that doesn't make contact with any other part of my hand.
Brodie is wrong and too much of a coward to address it
Who you gonna call??!! Disc busters!!!
Flight numbers are still a good baseline even if they aren't perfect. I would hate buying discs if there weren't flight numbers. Flight characteristics can be different in the exact same plastic and mold. That doesn't mean that flight numbers don't matter.
Video idea: play with an eye patch over your weak side. I personally only have one eye(childhood pencil accident) and would love to see how much effect it really plays. Only thing I notice is I tend to say "get in" more frequently than the people I play with
How does hunter not have any flippy distance drivers if he literally only throws on hyzer….?
Video 45 of asking Silas for Follow Flights 🎉
My buddy throws forehand only, his flex will always go farther than his flip up shots by a lot
There is a science with the weight and arm speed. A balance. Find the right balance, get the right distance.
Feel like the flight numbers can never be proven or disproven, until there is a standard for manufacturers to test by. Such as a robot or machine that can throw a disc consistently.
It depends on the person I think
Love the content. Still fairly new to the game, but yall have really got me hooked with the game we all love
I was watching some of the drives at ).25x speed to see form. Please watch 6:25 at 0.25x. Konner sounds hilariously drunk lol
Follow me on this cross-discipline journey: Did you know that the treadwear ratings on your car tires are also arbitrary, and more intended to give a general idea of the rubber compound? There's no independent testing body or gov't regulations. Still, I know if I'm buying a
I feel like you should’ve used disc with the exact same flight numbers. If anything, throwing all disc with very slightly different numbers and then obtaining very slightly different results would then confirm that flight numbers do matter.
Video idea: play with an eye patch over your weak side. I personally only have one eye(childhood pencil accident) and would love to see how much effect it really plays. Only thing I notice is I tend to say "get in" more frequently than the people I play with
A DG pro once told me that the shock you feel in your hands and intense pain in the fingers, is from blood vessels stretching. I quit playing DG for a few years and came back to an intense pain on my first drives. Oh man my fingers and lower arm felt like a bolt of lightning hit me. I asked him and he explained it. Blood rushes down the arm and to the hand from the speed/force of a hard swing. I played thru the pain and luckily it eased up after about 9 holes. By the end of the round I was good to go. Seems like he was right. Once stretching those vessels a few times, they conditioned to it, and I havent had the problem since. Of course, I havent taken more than 3 mos off of DG at a time, since. Be a friend, call out 'shit shot!', mid flight.
I like that you point out that Konner isn’t a ‘new’ or ‘inexperienced’ player, even though he feels like he is. There’s a big difference between ‘new’ and ‘rec level’ just like there’s a difference between ‘collegiate level’ and ‘pro’. I bet a lot of us are in a similar boat to Konner, because I certainly am!
Fact: 300 glide gets you 300ft
What plastic was that River? 👀
The max weight thing really came into effect when Hunter threw it all-out. He has 400ft+ power, Konner does not. Getting the disc "up to speed" is where the flight numbers tend to come in, and the weight can absolutely affect it. 12/13/14 speed discs are a LOT of disc, that tend to need 60+ mph arm speed to get flying as designed.
I'd be curious to see them using slower speed discs, like 7-9 speed where Konner can get the disc up to speed and Hunter would be over-powering the disc at a full throw.
I’m a beginner, been playing about 2 weeks and I can say definitively that I can throw farther with my mid ranges than I can with my distance drivers. I think it’s that I’m not able to get enough speed on the distance drivers as well as I have a total lack of control, causing really bad nose up shots that almost boomerang back towards me.
Playing with my 10 & 13 year-old sons, it doesn't matter if they have a Keystone or Fuse or River, they're throwing it 75 feet every time at most. Disc speed means NOTHING to a new player that hasn't developed form and timing.
On your IN DOOR testing I thought I saw something on the bottom of the disc? Is that how you got the data? What was it and how do i get one?
For me light disc just don't feel right in my hand. Which messes up my release everytime. The only exceptions I found are the Saphire from Discmania and the Page Piece jawbreaker Fierce from Discraft. Though I only putt with the later.
Your first myth attempt killed me. EVERY MANUFACTURER makes a Destroyer clone (12/x/-1/3). You could have found a LOT of those to compare.
You lost me at the first myth. All of those discs had SOMETHING different in the flight numbers. The Rally was a faster disc so it SHOULD be a bit more stable. You can't use discs with different numbers for this test! Nothing was busted! Use discs with the same numbers.
Lightweight overstable discs are super fun to throw because you can get that flip up and carry but still get that overstable finish. My favorite driver is a lightweight axiom panic - it has early turn, long midflight, but always fades strong at the end
Also, if you wanted your experiment to be more scientific for the test of whether faster discs go further for beginners, you would have randomized the discs you threw. Pretty sure you got better at throwing lefty as you progressed from putters to drivers
I enjoy throwing my blizzard destroyer...
Myth: Flight Numbers matter
*Throws all discs and they act consistent with flight numbers as the should
Verdict: Myth busted
Numbers don’t matter even though the discs flew exactly like the numbers indicated they would.
Either you all had reached a verdict before you threw a single disc, or you threw them all and then forgot the outcome of every single throw, or
Also, the lightweight is "flippier" because you can throw it faster than the heavier disc. So, imagine throwing the crank (a speed 13) at speed 12 and then throwing the lighter one at speed 14. They're definitely going to fly differently.
Why didn't you try to throw the lighter discs at the same height. With more nose angle, you're limiting the discs flight characteristics, which reduced the amount of turn a lightweight disc has when being thrown like a max weight disc.
Flight numbers are useful when comparing discs within a single brand. Between brands, I would argue that they are useful for comparing the intended slot in the bag, but flights may vary.
Regarding light weight discs, it could be that the lighter one is less stable because you can throw it faster. In other words, if you threw them with the same speed and spin, would they fly similar?
Your lefty shots: you need to repeat with the putters. Or you should have gone putter, mid, driver, and repeat 3 times. The thing is that your form got a little better the more you threw lefty, so your putter shots were disadvantaged.
Literally says it in the video “have 2 people that are not great at forehands” but you still were comfortable saying backhand produces more RPM. Like I said in my other comment for YOU it does for any forehand player they can always get more snap then a backhand player.
On the flight numbers, not sure why you couldn’t just get 4 discs with the exact same flight numbers. For example: destroyer, Zeus, raider, dd3.
your methodology is flawed because your premise is that similar flight numbers will fly the same. you need to test discs with identical numbers, and also throw them EXACTLY the same, and this is not possible for a human. this is why you ether need to throw hundreds of shots and average them out, or have a machine do the throwing... but it should be obvious that discs with different but similar flight numbers will fly different. that -1 extra turn matters. that one more speed number matters. that one more glide number matters.
I bet if you slapped tech disc on the bottom of a full weight vs light weight disc the main difference you would see is the spin. Lighter discs get up to speed quicker and therefore follow a flight closer to their flight numbers. If you did a similar comparison against slower speed discs (easier to get up to their intended speed) the difference wouldn't be as noticeable. I think the force was a bad choice for this very reason, its high speed AND overstable flight make it difficult to see the difference whether you get it up to speed or 90% of the way there. Try it again with something like an undertaker, a neutral fairway and if you really want to use science, do it indoors to rule out changes in the wind.
Science
lol
Lightweight discs vs max weight is more deterministic based on environmental factors than anything else.
Light vs max weight should be compared light overstable vs max w understable. I had a 135g pd2, that required no power to throw, and it flew straight as an arrow. I only lost it because it blasted past the basket, way farther than any other disc i owned.
What i like to think about with lighter discs, is that if it takes me 100% power to flip a max weight disc, I may be able to be more precise at 85% and still get around the same distance. I throw light discs unless it's windy, or It's already a really overstable disc
Heavier discs are usually better for forehands since they correct OAT faster which forehands tend to have more of. For a while the distance record on backhands was with a low 150g disc and forehand was mid/upper 160s.
what? myth where forehand generates more spin? yet again.. what? who ever thought or said that ever? very confused, I thought it was extremely obvious for everyone(atleast people I know) that backhand has way more.
Drivers self-correct below rated speed, including nose angle, while putters keep on doing whatever you start then doing, especially nose angle. Gyroscopic forces in drivers are dramatically greater than in putters and the only thing most newbies can manage is to spin a disc; it's the extreme difficulty getting it to fly fast in a level straight line with near zero roll angle that's freaky at first.
I've been playing for about 12 weeks, I was given a Driver and I have a fairway driver. I throw them about the same distance
Forehand dominant player here. I have never been able to throw any disc further on a hyzer flip than I can throw my champion wraith or destroyer on an anny flex. Even with the s turn, it still is further by a decent amount. Hyzer flips are for tunnel shots but if I want to bomb, I’m throwing a flex.
The hyzer flip versus chop anny has to do a lot with how you grip the disc and your arm angle. If you throw the same arm angle and speed a hyzer flip will go further. Flip ups stay in the air. Watching Jake Wolff throw forehand he adjusts grip so he can throw different angles with the same arm slot.
The first myth is exactly why I’m so annoyed that innova doesn’t make the Banshee anymore. Probably my favorite disc over all and I can’t find another disc to fit that gap in my bag!