Excuse multiple comments im commenting as i watch. What lovely things you're saying about Manson. Completely agree about him having the fortitude to heal. And i reckon some of his abusers are narcissistic. Which is why they'll never stop.
I have issues taking Manson at his word regarding the suicide threats. Because there's another interview where he talks about cutting himself 150 times on his arms and face. There aren't any scars on his face and arms. The live shows are amazing, I was a stones throw away from the stage and he's definitely not lipsyncing 😁
@@StevenT-33 I feel you on that. But I feel like using Manson's edgy comments like that is the equivalent of using wrestling promos as evidence an assault took place
Great video. Totally agree with you. I am super excited for this series of records. I am hoping that Front Toward Enemy is released on Chapter 2 because, having heard it, can confirm that it is indeed very Little Horn-sequence. It’s more than that though. It’s the biggest “fuck you”, fully raised middle finger to all those who dared to fuck with this man and the wider public needs to hear it. Roll on November 22nd 🤘
I disagree about us always having to be serious or circumspect regarding the accusers. I've done nothing but be like that and i get accused of mocking and victim blaming anyway So yeah i will post a funny meme now if i like. Agree about Kurtz though for completely different reasons
Ive now come to think he didn't even call her. I think it was hyperbole. Plus in PR suddenly it was her mom who took the calls? In my opinion the accusers went through old interviews of what he said n then claimed it happened n that's him admitting it.
Never been a big Manson fan, but I definitely like his music and a few of his albums. Like Mechanical animals. But I've always loved and preferred his former friendship band Jack off Jill. Jack off Jill is actually probably my favorite band of all time and unfortunately Manson for some reason decided to throw that relationship away by talking badly about the lead singer in his book. Plus, some accusations and stuff with the lead singer of JOJ, Jessika. Just the whole thing is weird and has a slight bad taste in my mouth. Some say Jessika is a compulsive liar. I've heard that. There are accusations against her and the band of doing messed up stuff on stage, but I am concluding that was all rumor and gossip to create controversy. Like what is the evidence of that? A ton of bands have had weird gossip and rumors about them including their alleged "obscene" performances. But over all....I love some Marilyn Manson and I love my Jack off Jill. So so what?! And in terms of cultural climate and that sort of thing. I've been studying the satanic panic for like....15 years or so now and there is so much but I'll give 3 totally different time lines. 1.Medieval Europe; the great witch hunt happened during what are known as "The bitter years". Of course medieval europe was really really bad, but the "bitter years" were the worse of the worse even for medieval Europe. It was a time of dancing plagues, mass famine, the black death, and war between England and France broke out. The church had fragmented; catholic vs protestant. As basically an act or terror the church and overall authority figures started to push the idea that old pagan superstitions were evil, demonic, etc and they pushed the idea of witches. So there was a witch hysteria. They believed that witches would fly to the sabbath; the gathering of witches to worship satan where they would dance, eat butter, fornicate with satan, demons, and each other, and commit mass infanticide. Eat and drink the blood. The panic died down because the religious authorities put an end to it and when did that happen? When the states were consolidated. When the institutions had become far more established....but of course the witch craze went on. With Mathew Hopins and Salem for example but those were very isolated incidents that occurred years, decades later. 2.Satanic panic: The 1960's was a time of great change. You had Charles Manson and those murders in 1969. The tail end of the decade. During the 60's people began to experiment with different belief systems. Question authority. The hippie movement, LSD, The satanic panic really began in the 70's as a reaction to the 1960's counter culture and fears of what was happening in the 70's. The rise of cults, serial killers, etc. Around the same time period you had radical feminism and christian fundamentalist on the rise. You had the "Believe the woman" feminist mantra and abuse within families was also being taken far more serious and apparent. SA was not taken as seriously. Within authority circles; FBI, law enforcement, child protective services, etc "confirmation" was seen as a dirty word and within feminist circles there were all these ideas about Freud and his theories. Such as suppressed memories. A lot of christian hoaxes and fraud was going on in the 70's. Christian conspiracy theorists and old pseudo science in psychiatry. Such as Sybil and the whole idea of multiple personality disorder. By the late 80's, the religious right became mainstream...and it's amazing. I literally watched video of the protesters at a Marilyn Manson concert this month and you had two groups; radical feminists and then you had christian fundamentalist and the radical feminist organizer literally walked up to the christians and basically ended up converting the christians to their cause. it was hilarious. So all of this lead to the satanic panic of the 1980's; christian fundamentalist, pseudo scientists from the 30's,40's,50's, 70's fears and anxieties and hucksterism, radical feminist, child advocates running amok, and the beginning of the "metoo" movement where "Believe the women" morphed into "Believe the children" and what was claimed about these satanic cults? That they committed mass infanticide. Drunk the blood, ate the flesh, etc. Even the persecution was identical to the witch hunt. During the medieval witch hunt the accused witch was asked "Who did you see there [at the sabbath]." which would snowball into 5, 10, 20 people being accused. The accused were also tortured to confession....what happened during the satanic panic? Instead of the accused being tortured it was the accusers being tortured into confessing abuse and then accusing people and of course since it was all fake, made up by the authorities it would snowball into 8, 20, 30 people. 3.Satanic panic 2.0 and the many branches: The satanic panic died down in the 90's while at the same time it spread across the globe; Canada, Italy, New Zealand, and the U.K....suspiciously right around the time the same people responsible for the satanic panic in the 80's began to spread their nonsense in those specific countries. Doing their "training seminars", but I'm sure that is just a coincidence and the conspiracy theories are correct "there was no self fulfilling prophecies. No contamination. No social contagion. None of this nonsense came DIRECTLY FROM US, the cults exist. We just HELPED these people spot the cults. You can ONLY find the cult if your looking for it." So yes, it was dying down in the U.S, but what became of all the people who helped create it? Well the christian fundamentalist continued with the "Pokemon and Marilyn Manson are satanic", the conspiracy theories were left to the fringes of the internet, the pseudo scientific frauds became total fringe "therapy", and the radical feminist got what they wanted on college campuses; total kangaroo courts. Then we get into the 2010's; SJWism and Pop feminism entering into the mainstream just like the religious right in the 80's. Then you had Donald Trump and conspiracy theorist and theories entering into the mainstream, and then we go from Pizzagate to Qanon....where they claim what? Literally the same exact sh*t that they claimed about witches during the great witch hunt and what they claimed during the satanic panic...only with a political twist.....it's all democrats and the left. Of course, what also led to it? Decades and decades of the government and any and all authorities losing any and all trust, decades and decades of neo liberalism. The Bush era and the great recession, the catholic church hiding away their abuse, Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstine, and Bill Cosby. All these powerful people being exposed as long time abusers, social anxieties like stranger danger, christian fundamentalism and christian nationalism fighting to stay alive, covid and 2020. Have not listened to the latest song, but I have listened to As sick as the secrets within and Raise the red flag. Love As sick as the secrets within. Reminds me of the good old days of Manson. 90's and early 2000's Manson. Raise the red flag...kind of reminds me again of the 90's early 2000's, but the main reason why I really love that song along with the music video is because of this "It's time to beat up the bullies And wash the bullseye off my back My red flag is your white one soaked in blood" "Your loyalty lies On the wrong side of the future" I don't know about you, but damn does it feel like a cathartic song, for all the BS Manson has gone through with Rachel Wood.
Excuse multiple comments im commenting as i watch. What lovely things you're saying about Manson. Completely agree about him having the fortitude to heal. And i reckon some of his abusers are narcissistic. Which is why they'll never stop.
Thanks for sharing your hard work
I have issues taking Manson at his word regarding the suicide threats. Because there's another interview where he talks about cutting himself 150 times on his arms and face. There aren't any scars on his face and arms. The live shows are amazing, I was a stones throw away from the stage and he's definitely not lipsyncing 😁
Yeah but including multiple times he's mentioned how much she hurt him and how he wanted to die with her etc
@@StevenT-33 I feel you on that. But I feel like using Manson's edgy comments like that is the equivalent of using wrestling promos as evidence an assault took place
Respect your journey
Great video. Totally agree with you. I am super excited for this series of records. I am hoping that Front Toward Enemy is released on Chapter 2 because, having heard it, can confirm that it is indeed very Little Horn-sequence. It’s more than that though. It’s the biggest “fuck you”, fully raised middle finger to all those who dared to fuck with this man and the wider public needs to hear it.
Roll on November 22nd 🤘
Little Horn esque ** my apologies
I disagree about us always having to be serious or circumspect regarding the accusers. I've done nothing but be like that and i get accused of mocking and victim blaming anyway So yeah i will post a funny meme now if i like. Agree about Kurtz though for completely different reasons
Mike Portnoy ❤ \M/ I also love Tallah where portnoys son plays drumbs.
Ive now come to think he didn't even call her. I think it was hyperbole. Plus in PR suddenly it was her mom who took the calls? In my opinion the accusers went through old interviews of what he said n then claimed it happened n that's him admitting it.
Maryland Manson
we need your take on Chris Chan and Flutter being sighted in Finland.
I’m sure the department of homeland security is breathing a sigh of relief.
Ivan L. Moody would definitely know a thing or too about getting sloshed on stage, screwing up shows, and going into recovery.
Never been a big Manson fan, but I definitely like his music and a few of his albums. Like Mechanical animals.
But I've always loved and preferred his former friendship band Jack off Jill. Jack off Jill is actually probably my favorite band of all time and unfortunately Manson for some reason decided to throw that relationship away by talking badly about the lead singer in his book. Plus, some accusations and stuff with the lead singer of JOJ, Jessika. Just the whole thing is weird and has a slight bad taste in my mouth. Some say Jessika is a compulsive liar. I've heard that. There are accusations against her and the band of doing messed up stuff on stage, but I am concluding that was all rumor and gossip to create controversy. Like what is the evidence of that? A ton of bands have had weird gossip and rumors about them including their alleged "obscene" performances. But over all....I love some Marilyn Manson and I love my Jack off Jill. So so what?!
And in terms of cultural climate and that sort of thing. I've been studying the satanic panic for like....15 years or so now and there is so much but I'll give 3 totally different time lines.
1.Medieval Europe; the great witch hunt happened during what are known as "The bitter years". Of course medieval europe was really really bad, but the "bitter years" were the worse of the worse even for medieval Europe. It was a time of dancing plagues, mass famine, the black death, and war between England and France broke out. The church had fragmented; catholic vs protestant. As basically an act or terror the church and overall authority figures started to push the idea that old pagan superstitions were evil, demonic, etc and they pushed the idea of witches. So there was a witch hysteria. They believed that witches would fly to the sabbath; the gathering of witches to worship satan where they would dance, eat butter, fornicate with satan, demons, and each other, and commit mass infanticide. Eat and drink the blood. The panic died down because the religious authorities put an end to it and when did that happen? When the states were consolidated. When the institutions had become far more established....but of course the witch craze went on. With Mathew Hopins and Salem for example but those were very isolated incidents that occurred years, decades later.
2.Satanic panic: The 1960's was a time of great change. You had Charles Manson and those murders in 1969. The tail end of the decade. During the 60's people began to experiment with different belief systems. Question authority. The hippie movement, LSD, The satanic panic really began in the 70's as a reaction to the 1960's counter culture and fears of what was happening in the 70's. The rise of cults, serial killers, etc. Around the same time period you had radical feminism and christian fundamentalist on the rise. You had the "Believe the woman" feminist mantra and abuse within families was also being taken far more serious and apparent. SA was not taken as seriously. Within authority circles; FBI, law enforcement, child protective services, etc "confirmation" was seen as a dirty word and within feminist circles there were all these ideas about Freud and his theories. Such as suppressed memories. A lot of christian hoaxes and fraud was going on in the 70's. Christian conspiracy theorists and old pseudo science in psychiatry. Such as Sybil and the whole idea of multiple personality disorder. By the late 80's, the religious right became mainstream...and it's amazing. I literally watched video of the protesters at a Marilyn Manson concert this month and you had two groups; radical feminists and then you had christian fundamentalist and the radical feminist organizer literally walked up to the christians and basically ended up converting the christians to their cause. it was hilarious. So all of this lead to the satanic panic of the 1980's; christian fundamentalist, pseudo scientists from the 30's,40's,50's, 70's fears and anxieties and hucksterism, radical feminist, child advocates running amok, and the beginning of the "metoo" movement where "Believe the women" morphed into "Believe the children" and what was claimed about these satanic cults? That they committed mass infanticide. Drunk the blood, ate the flesh, etc. Even the persecution was identical to the witch hunt. During the medieval witch hunt the accused witch was asked "Who did you see there [at the sabbath]." which would snowball into 5, 10, 20 people being accused. The accused were also tortured to confession....what happened during the satanic panic? Instead of the accused being tortured it was the accusers being tortured into confessing abuse and then accusing people and of course since it was all fake, made up by the authorities it would snowball into 8, 20, 30 people.
3.Satanic panic 2.0 and the many branches: The satanic panic died down in the 90's while at the same time it spread across the globe; Canada, Italy, New Zealand, and the U.K....suspiciously right around the time the same people responsible for the satanic panic in the 80's began to spread their nonsense in those specific countries. Doing their "training seminars", but I'm sure that is just a coincidence and the conspiracy theories are correct "there was no self fulfilling prophecies. No contamination. No social contagion. None of this nonsense came DIRECTLY FROM US, the cults exist. We just HELPED these people spot the cults. You can ONLY find the cult if your looking for it." So yes, it was dying down in the U.S, but what became of all the people who helped create it? Well the christian fundamentalist continued with the "Pokemon and Marilyn Manson are satanic", the conspiracy theories were left to the fringes of the internet, the pseudo scientific frauds became total fringe "therapy", and the radical feminist got what they wanted on college campuses; total kangaroo courts. Then we get into the 2010's; SJWism and Pop feminism entering into the mainstream just like the religious right in the 80's. Then you had Donald Trump and conspiracy theorist and theories entering into the mainstream, and then we go from Pizzagate to Qanon....where they claim what? Literally the same exact sh*t that they claimed about witches during the great witch hunt and what they claimed during the satanic panic...only with a political twist.....it's all democrats and the left. Of course, what also led to it? Decades and decades of the government and any and all authorities losing any and all trust, decades and decades of neo liberalism. The Bush era and the great recession, the catholic church hiding away their abuse, Jeffrey Epstein, Harvey Weinstine, and Bill Cosby. All these powerful people being exposed as long time abusers, social anxieties like stranger danger, christian fundamentalism and christian nationalism fighting to stay alive, covid and 2020.
Have not listened to the latest song, but I have listened to As sick as the secrets within and Raise the red flag. Love As sick as the secrets within. Reminds me of the good old days of Manson. 90's and early 2000's Manson. Raise the red flag...kind of reminds me again of the 90's early 2000's, but the main reason why I really love that song along with the music video is because of this
"It's time to beat up the bullies
And wash the bullseye off my back
My red flag is your white one soaked in blood"
"Your loyalty lies
On the wrong side of the future"
I don't know about you, but damn does it feel like a cathartic song, for all the BS Manson has gone through with Rachel Wood.
I kinda hate his new music! Sounds like AI idk what he was thinking but its obv he needs someone other than Tyler bates to help him.
I do not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.