Hockey Fight: wives reveal the cost of concussions - The Fifth Estate
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2019
- Behind the facade of glamour and wealth, the wives of some retired hockey enforcers are in their own fierce fight. They want the NHL to acknowledge that there's a link between fights, and head injuries on the ice and long-term effects like degenerative brain disease. Women like Jennifer Belak and Kelli Ewen whose husbands Wade Belak and Todd Ewen took their own lives are part of that fight but so too is Ela Carcillo. She is married to recently retired player Daniel Carcillo who says he wonders if he will become one of the sad statistics.
Clarification: An earlier version of this video incorrectly implied that former NHL player Steve Montador was universally known as a hockey enforcer and had killed himself. He did not take his own life. That earlier video has since been deleted.
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There is one NHL former coach who at the first hint at head injury to all star Pat Lafontaine he benched him for protection. That was Coach Ted Nolan, and it cost him his career.
That and he was Indigenous, not only correctly benching LaFontaine.
@@dylanr8481 If it was because he was Indigenous he never would have been there, it's because he acknowledged it... I lived on a reserve and taught boxing there, I had the key to the Gym but had to keep it from common knowledge because I was white.....
Makes me sick to my stomach
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Nolan was mistreated by the NHL.
I had the pleasure of meeting Wade Belak in Coventry whilst I was playing youth hockey and he had come to play in the blaze first team during the lockout. The only thing I can say is he was a top, top guy and I really feel so sad for his lovely family that they’ve been let down by the NHL and some poor medical professionals like this.
I hope we can keep awareness of these brain injuries high and one day rules are passed to make sure players are properly protected so that sad stories like these are things of the past.
I find it heartbreaking that people can be in so much pain, so unhappy and have no hope that suicide is the answer. It’s saddening that someone can get to that point.
I know it’s not that easy, but I just want to give them a hug.
Are you following ? these men had brain damage from their role as fighters in the NHL .
you dont need to have been a pro athlete to be concerned about cte.
very true -- I've had 3 major head injuries -- I haven't been me in a LONG time. First concussion was in 1969 at age 4 then '81 and again in 2001 - I wonder what I'd be like if none of them ever happened?
@@perishablegoods1344 how did you suffer brain injury if you don't mind me asking
I have all these symptoms often. I've had over 20 head injuries and I am afraid. Sometimes I don't know who I am it's scary
Loved Wade... when I heard the news of his passing years ago I was heart broken. He gave the game his all.
He seemed so likable and kind off the ice. This story is hard to watch.
That Bettman exit, "I gotta go!" lol
Lol Bettman has been doing that ever since he first became Commish. For the love of God, just fire him already!!!
Bettman is a slime weasel.
Bettman. Another rich guy with an over blown ego. As long as the 'franchise' makes you a ton of money, right Bettman.
Football, baseball, nhl, NBA all have had scandals. All that have been denied when the truth is obvious. Nature of money and big business. Just like politics.
@@musicman76enator and hire who?????
So TRUE - if you KNOW WHY it’s happening you can better cope with it.
I was severely depressed- very unlike me - for months.
No Dr or anyone recognized it, just “get over it” kinda thing back in late 90’s.
One doctor actually said I wasn’t holding my food down (constantly nauseous/throwing up) because I wanted to be thinner. Never wanted to be thinner, very bony in my youth, hated it. Was 135 lbs and 5’8.
Actually baker acted myself because - I was real close to suicide.
My friend FINALLY recognized it the SECOND time.
I had the 6 month “depo” shot-Birth control- and THAT is what was causing me to be irrational, mentally unstable to hold a job, horrible time.
AFTER I realized what was causing my brain malfunction - it was literally easier to deal with the symptoms- had 5 1/2 months left for it to wean out of my system.
Let my Dr know that prescribed it and he actually HUNG UP on me, will never forget that. Just wanted him to be aware of the side effects- to help his patients.
30 years later still was a traumatic time but I KNEW something WAS wrong and nobody cared enough to listen.
MuttsRus-hormones are very powerful.
We have a son with a rare form of Cerebal palsy. It has a lot of the same characteristics of CTE. What is really frustrating is when you find out how little medical people know about the brain.
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I have to admit I was one of the people who were saying it's ridiculous they took fighting out of Hockey, for some reason I never thought about the after affects. That is truly horrible to hear about all these players who's lives got cut short or are hurting after. Good luck Daniel I hope you find peace and will be praying for you brother, keep fighting the good fight!
@Gallery Of Cards oh did the NHL ban fighting now from hockey? I was just about to type that hockey will probally never be banned but they should at least get rid of fighting and if possible try to do minimal physical contact so one's head isn't affected.
Too bad most concussions are from hits, and not fights. Poor you.
But most fighters get concussions. If 90% of boxers get some form of brain damage, you no it's high among enforcers.
@@Peezster Yet virtually all of the players that have died so young and committed suicide were fighters...please tell us more of your expertise in CTE and brain injuries! You and Don Cherry and Bettman...all morons that refuse to accept the reality of fighting!
@@daniel213141 "most" is definitely not accurate. A lot of enforcers also wound up with concussions because of their physical play. Not necessarily from fighting.
Each wife, Mrs.Ewen in particular, were so well-spoken in this feature. Hopefully, all of them are doing okay.
I dunno...she seemed insincere to me
@@dr.loomis4221Are you serious? I get the feeling that Mrs. Ewen is the most sincere and articulate of all the wives. What am I missing, kind sir?
This was a good documentary. Also watch “PUNCHED OUT” the story of Derek Booguard!
Yes and yes. Bob M is a great reporter. I love his voice.
Sad but amazing story.
I loved Derek Boogaard a lot. The bogey man was so awesome. I still want his jersey .
I remember the boogeyman. RIP to Minnesota Wild Legend. Tragedy. Another great talent.
Yeah his story is sad. He was a beast of a enforcer.
Gary Bettman when talking about "big family" moves his head in denial 25:56 . No need to be an expert to see that he is lying...
Like any business.. THEY DONT CARE about the sheep getting injured or dead.
Sara Allison that’s ridiculous. It doesn’t have to be violent for players to get concussions. I suffered a concussion once and it was an accident.
Sara Allison so you were saying they do care about the sheep getting injured or dead because the NHL made the game less violent?
EXACTLY...sadly
And like most people.. THEY"LL RISK IT to make lots of money fast. Don't act like it's a one way street.
@@Seraph89_What's your point then? If players can get concussions whether hockey is violent or not what's your point? Ban all hockey to eliminate concussions? Should we ban water to eliminate drowning?
Betman the MOST disgusting man in Hockey. Considering there is players like Machand to be considered the MOST disgusting man, is both true and shameful.
I know all about CTE now its been about 3 years i've known...how ever i went through 20 plus years not knowing, its show's like this that educate us, i have been through soccer an hockey and boxing fights as well a car crash that id my head in...its not just happening to sports people or car crash victims, it's happening on the work place as well. The one thing that rushes through your mind is people find it hard to believe specially meddical professionals cause they are not equiped to deal with it.
Insurance companies DO NOT want people who have been injured,educated.$$$
Belak must have hated himself for what he did to his daughter... This nightmare would have haunted him and he probably thought he was an unpredictable monster. Tragic. 💔
sadly yes
Years ago we knew about this. I played football in high school. When college came along I said not worth it.
Psychiatrists & other psych doctors should absolutely be asking about head trauma & not just emotional trauma to get a better understanding of the biological side of their patients' illnesses. It's becoming clear from all these concussion/CTE documentaries that things like bipolar disorder, depression & schizophrenia can be caused by head trauma, or at least made substantially worse. If that's the case, the whole "nature/nurture" paradigm is grossly incomplete. All we focus on now is genetics + environment which leaves no room for head injury, lead poisoning or other biological insults. That needs to change.
i'm both a TBI survivor and bipolar II, and in my case the TBI left me with lousy options for treating the bipolar. (namely, most of the common drugs used have seizures/tremors as a side effect, and pretty much anything that CAN give somebody tremors does give ME them.)
also, i ended up on SSDI as the best of bad options because 40/40+ hour week="my body won't take this and my skill set is all back office so getting a flextime or PT job is pretty much YEAH RIGHT NOOOOO", and it's frustrating having to explain to almost every new medical pro that "nope i don't remember half my own medical history without either my binders or making my bff medibuddy it up again".
"I didn't know bare knuckle boxing 3 nights a week for 15 years would give me a head injury!"
Ikr...its really sad that they didnt know! Their wives dont even have brain damage and they dont realize theres obviously an issue...?!
Says the guy with a brain injury.
Like father like daughter. Did y'all see the toddler baby kick the other baby in the head when he fell?
@@bartonempire You sound like you might have been kicked in the head a few times
We used to jibe each other in the boxing gym about getting punchy, you never think it will happen to you...
I saw the title , I thought f yes, I heard bob speaking and I was even more thrilled. Best reporter they have, he deserves some serious credit
Along with linden macintyre
Shame on Bettman. He owes those players and their widows and children for the wealth he enjoys today. We should all remember there is an entire way of life surrounding the game feeds the NHL their players. Just because your loved one didn’t play in the NHL, doesn’t mean years spent playing high school and college hockey didn’t scar their brains as well.
I wonder if that's what is wrong with me altho I'm not a hockey player I was physically abused for years being punched in my head repeatedly for years with most definitely concussions and here I am a decade later with serious issues like sleeping for 30hrs at a time, memory loss, I am unsteady on my feet, mood swings and diagnosis of bipolar, anxiety, PTSD, bipolar, type a & b adhd, panic attacks, suicidal ideation & attempts, and so much more...i am getting ready to go see a dr for confirmation of tbi and what to do...but no one will know this until after i die if they tested for this... I'll bring it up, if i remember!
I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I wish u the best.
I got knocked out twice in Muay Thai Kickboxing in my mid 30s. Both were from full force head kicks to my chin and it was instant light outs, like a switch. The first concussion was pretty bad, but the second one within 3 months was the nuke. I couldn't handle bright light, TV sound or anything with a screen for 4 months. What helped me considerably, and I think it cured my symptoms was high intensity training with a heart rate monitor with a personal coach. My max heart rate was around 194 during this time and my trainer would get me to the "dark zone" at around 186 to 190. I would then have to hold this zone to near max failure for about 1 minute. It was done mostly on weight machines with low to medium weight high reps followed by push ups or burpees. Within about a month I was back to myself and tried to avoid heavy sparing for about 6 more months. I'm not sure if it will help anyone post concussion but it definitely did for myself. I'm now back playing hockey and coaching my kids' hockey teams. I have had some issues that pop up over the last decade such as anger issues and a need to isolate myself from family gatherings. Covid was a convenient cover but I was actually happier not seeing anyone and I've continued that trend. Not sure if it's related at all.
It's good you're working on yourself and are self aware ❤I have a head injury from baseball.strike and had a csf leak (fluid around brain and spinal cord) for 15.yrs before proper treatment. I was nauseated and light sensitive as well and once treated with an epidural blood patch it disappeared. I'm putting this here just for others too. Cheers
Sounds like CTE, and probably isn’t so much the fighting (though sure didn’t help) as much as the career of high impact collisions and repetitive sub-concussive traumas.
The question then is that why mainly the fighters?
It's not mainly the fighters. That's just all this slanted piece wants to focus on.
Respect to all the players that are affected by this. Sorry to their families who have to deal with them being gone. Hang in there Danny, the best part of life is ahead with those kids. You are a true fighter, time to fight for them. Thank you for giving your heart and soul to the Hawks. Respect.
Respect Danny from a Leaf fan!
I've come to love Dan Carcillo. He's a real hockey hero. Unlike that simpering little turd, Bettman
This is just a reminder that every job has hazards and every job sucks. Drive uber full time if you want to feel suicidal and not be able to sleep at night.
What are the things that happen before when driving as Uber driver
Y'all can get CTE just as easy as a football player. We need to protect our athletes we love & support! Stay safe! 💙🙏🏻💜 Love & prayers to all!
Professional Bull Riders and Bareback Bronc riders are in this group as well.
There is now a group of retired PBR riders being studied for their declining health ( brain and physical) .
@shawnmann9491 football/soccer and rugby as well. Saw a Australian w5 report on that too..sad.
This is heartbreaking 💔
Not really considering it's self inflicted
I was raised in buffalo NY. My first memories were my mom and brother watching Sabres games. I will never forget watching it with them multiple times every year. And that's how I learned to fight. The only sport where you literally get two sports in one. You will never see a boxing match turn into a hockey game.
Great point
I hate great games interrupted by fights.
I mean with hockey its almost par for the course now. It wpuld be extremely strange to see a whole hockey game with absolutely no aggression (verbal or physical)
@@Galworld761
Your comment prove that you never played organized ice-hockey.
There’re moments that you’ve no choice but fight.
6:05 "....and he knew his role, he wanted to stay in the NHL...." it's the choices people make. You are what you make of yourself.
Exactly! If your only good enough to be a fighter in the NHL and don’t want to get hurt doing it. Go play in the minors.
Daniel Carcillo....I hope you find a way to hold on to your strength and your health.
@nastynate054 un what?
that baby is going to get CTE 1:54
I am really interested on how there is no way to tell if someone has CTE without autopsy. There has to be a way to diagnose earlier.
There isn’t, because it is diagnosed by slicing the brain and checking it’s tissues. They can’t do that in live patients. We all need our brains lol
@@misskay8131 I'm talking more along the lines of.....there has to be another way. More research is needed for this
Having been diagnosed with CTE, their is no officially recognised test. (Much like for Alzheimer's) The diagnosis is made circumstantialy and can only be confirmed by autopsy. I have heard that CTE brains have an elevated level of some protein that is being used to develop a test (don't remember the name of the protein= daim bramage) but I don't know how far they have progressed. The lady from the CTE center in Boston is working on it
@@htopherollem649 wow. Thanks mate. Hope you will be able to keep it under control somehow.
@@htopherollem649 May God guide her, this is horrific..
Ian Clyde was Canadian Flyweight Champion for nine years, Angelo Dundee picked him up and he got his title shot, he used to spar with Ray Leonard and Ray mistakenly dropped the little guy once. two years ago Ian introduced his two former brothers-in-law to each other. Matthew Hilton, a Canadian who won the I.B.F. middleweight title now is getting dementia at 55... Joe Frazier had to have subtitles in the Ali documentary, so did Michael Spinks.... I am 58 and running scared, I spared with Matthew and Davey (W.B.C. super welter champion) I fought wars with his brother Alex and I forget short-term stuff...
The saddest issue here on this thread I'm reading is how many people compare this to other professions and money making, and judge these situations on that. It is about people. Family, friends. Not profession. Not money. Sounds so often to me like many of you are saying that all the trauma these people have gone through doesn't mean anything because they are rich hockey families. So they are stone cold people who aren't affected by the death or trauma of a husband, father,etc.
Bull riding is a sport less often spoke about when it comes to CTE.
Ty Pozzobon
Wait a minute. Did that big sister just kick the baby on the head? Yikes
She sure did that was only one of a couple of things I saw in that child’s behavior that was worrisome
Yes she did and the mother did nothing about it.
Haha sure did. I don't think that the mom saw though....poor kid.
Way to focus on the actual subject matter! Those kids are three years apart and normal healthy kids.
KathieStevens Designs she said, ‘Hey’. What was she gonna do? Kick the child?
Well did all the man not know better then to beat each other up??
Aganetha Bergen it’s what they got paid to do. It was expected
@@cathy3392 they didn't have to do it. They did it because of what they wanted.
I suffered my fifth concussion this year and was officially diagnosed with a TBI. I lost memory. I had and still suffer with serious brain fatigue. Multitasking is no more. And depression and suicide is always just below the surface. Thankfully my BU hospital, BMC, physician stopped me from existing in life, but functioning in a fog, and started addressing my symptoms. I just kept thinking I will get over it, but I was getting worse and worse. I got to the point where I could not repeat four words that someone would say to me. It is bad. I complete cognitive therapy everyday now.
Did you get your concussions from sports or ?
It looks like I'm the first commenter! 👍
Fifth Estate! I love your channel!
Wow ! just look at their extravagant homes !
I’m struggling with concussion symptoms now Iv lost pretty much everyone I understand the frustration God bless the families ❤
Hey man. Concussions nearly destroyed me. The best thing that I've found helpful is extended fasting and keto/low inflammation diet. also microdose magic mushrooms and lions mane mushrooms.....it honestly has been life changing. my first 4 day fast, on the 3rd day I felt like I had brand new brain....the brain goes into repair mode on extended fasts.....I also intermittent fast pretty much all the time.....honestly the neurologist I went to was utterly useless....the other thing that helped was doing exercise that was fluid. Elliptical, swimming, walking, bicycle. and weight training. things that don't jar the brain....anyways I just want you to know your symptoms can improve with time in combination with a brain lifestyle.
Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time and trying to help. So many people don’t understand how life changing it can be. I hope you feel normal again now. I’ll for sure try the fasting to start iv been thinking of doing that anyways @@mrfake675
I really wish the best for all these guys and their families!!
I hated Carcillo when he played in Philly. That Philly team was a bunch of jerks..lol.
Good thing the Pens and Sid knocked them out and moped the floor with them every season in the playoffs..lol.
But again, I wish him the best in his life after hockey. He has a beautiful family!!
Tough to listen to. When it comes to hockey, These brain injuries have been happening since childhood.
Nobody in the 90's or earlier knew that playing full contact would result in TBI. As someone who lives with it now, it's not something I knew about until it happened.
It's no joke either.. Sensitivity to noise, light, balance issues at times, memory gaps.. things happen and it's that 5% of the time that scares the living you know what out of you. If your brain is fully functional 95 percent of the time, that 5 percent is that much more difficult to deal with because you can't "fix it" or know when symptoms will occur.,
For those claiming that these guys knew what they were getting into.. LOL, speak on your own behalf. When you speak on behalf of them, you're not credible. It's spewing non-sense.
You should tell the young people in youth sports and high school sports not to play these brain dead games that WILL give you brain injury and give the ego seeking insecure coaches that are just trying to relive high school hero memories.
@@fedup1972 Well, it takes a high degree of skill and intelligence to play these sports at a high level. It's the culture of five step hits in open ice that led us down this path. Before two line pass rule, you could take 15 steps into your opponent. It's like a human wrecking ball.
Imagine a motorbike running into you while you're running. That was a normal hit.
hating every time you have to deal with a new medical pro because too many of them side-eye you HARD when you tell them you don't remember half your own medical history without the paper documents to refer to or my bff being there since she remembers WAY more of it than i do, stress and medication-triggered tremors that are arguably why i couldn't manage to stay at least underemployed despite being a college grad with a STEM degree.... the pre-existing bipolar ii probably didn't help but the tremor-related absenteeism got me "you're great when you're here but you're just gone too much" type reactions from enough jobs that i ended up on SSDI as the best of bad alternatives.
i got mine in the 90s, and i am pretty sure that nobody NOW would have let me go right back to engineering major classes with essentially no time off. (at the time i was mostly just happy i could get a medical drop that wouldn't count against me for a class where the prof made no sense and *was* genuinely giving me tremors from the stress in ways that even other major courses weren't. i got a B in the same class with a much better professor the next semester and also started to realize that "oops now i have to inform lab partners that they better be the ones handling the glassware and my classmates in general that i may make involuntary noises/have the shakes please don't call 911 because i''m not an epileptic". anything beyond that....not so much. i didn't even realize the reason i pretty much quit cross-stitching then was probably TBI-related attention span damage, for instance.)
so yeah, don't try to tell me that 90s dudes knew what they were getting into, because i definitely didn't. (if i had i would have kept way better records of whatever medical stuff i tried back then, because i have huge chunks of my life that i'm essentially "i believe you when you tell me this but i don't independently remember it" and that by itself is frustrating.)
as a side note about how TBIs can affect your personal relationships, my mom laid down the law about "nope, you are not doing that 1000+ mile road trip to visit us again even in summer, flying ONLY" after the year when she came to wake me up for pancake breakfast, i had instant tremors with no warning the instant i tried getting out of bed, and i spent the day tranquilized up instead of getting to see my family ON july 4th, which pretty much sucked. (even getting up for long enough to eat the to-go pancake plate she snagged me was tricky, and i went right back to bed afterwards because mine are basically "clonazepam and sleep it off" once they start.)
Oof major projecting here, just a massive cringe post bud.@@fedup1972
Hey, how do I look for something in the archives?
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And years later Gary Bettman is still a lousy commissioner! I was lucky enough to see Wade play for the Leafs, loved the guy!
this video has been edited down (by at least a half-hour but from my spotty recollection I think more than an hour was removed. glad that someone commented on an old post of mine so I can send this video to a few people. it's hard to quantify what I am experiencing, and when you can no longer meet the demands of people who are quick to find fault; maybe this will help me to educate them. also when the lady tells of not having a "label" . ( and this in 2012) imagine how it felt to be like this in early 90s till now
This is definitely sad. But I honestly genuinely don’t know what to say.
@Ezili 埃爾祖莉 good point! Now they know about but still continue to do it!
Both bettman and gretzky are both putz's. Him walking away from the reporter and gretzky acting all tuff and mad on the bench. Give me a break. RIP to these fighter's and deepest Condolences to the wife kids and family's
The commissioner of the National Hockey League should be fulfilled by Somebody that played hockey like the knowledgeable Ken Dryden instead of Bettman. who makes 4 mil a year for 30yrs
It should also start with educating the players. Saw a guy get knocked out cold the other day.it's like running your car into the person that didnt use their blinker. Unnecessary.
@Sara Allison never should of been.
These players knew the risks and the NHL penalizes fighting and it has gone down over time. You people need to stop worrying this isn’t the 1970s anymore where the Enforcers ran the NHL.
Money is more important then health of others when it comes to certain faiths.
1:53 ? that baby getting kicked in the head ? dafuq
She learned from the best
Well they’re literally 1 years old.
While this is a very important piece about CTE, and honors a great athlete and wonderful father, the fact that the producers thoughtlessly left out Wade’s oldest daughter except for outdated photos is very disturbing. A tragic death like this impacts ALL of their loved ones, and by denying his daughter her voice here, she has undoubtedly been re-traumatized. To the producers, I urge you to be more thoughtful as you create similar pieces moving forward. Your choices have a profound effect on peoples lives far beyond what you may realize.
Ok tribal Karen
Daniel's daughter just gave that baby a concussion, kicking her in the head
IKR WTF was that about???!!!???
Focus!
Time stamp?
@@italian1ist 1:50
it's from the checks. not from fights.
So amazing. Proof is just given to you. And this is just a tiny bit of it. If you really look into this, it is a much bigger problem. But, you should go to them and let them know about your expertise about this. I don't see why they wouldn't hire you instantly to remove all these lies etc.
Yeah, but all three of these guys were enforcers who fought. Anomaly? I don't think so.
Plenty of other hockey players who are not enforcers have died.
This is sad. We all know what needs to be done. We all need to stand together. Hockey fans and none alike.
Looks like betman is starting parkinsons the way hes shaking all the time, so he will get to know how these guys feel eventually!
Pretty rich to see wives sitting in mansions they would never sacrifice having to complain and act like they didn’t know their husbands were getting concussions. It’s a special kind of arrogance.
The men are dead but the millionaire widow women are the victims 😂😂😂
Philadelphia loves Danny C. Hang in there bro.
That little girl tried to give her sister a concussion @ 1:53 time stamp.. two good kicks to head.
This was very hard to watch. The way Gary Betman is hiding reveals everything about corporate greed and its disregard for human welfare - absolutely appalling!
Hopefully that was not a concussion at 1:56 of the video the one kid was using the other kid's head as a soccer ball
I'm 32 and when I played contact sports from middle school through college I knew the risk. Saying these guys didnt know anything is bs.
Some werent treated properly just giving pills and told to go back out. But they made the choice they got paid good money I hate how they blame fighting when it counts for 5 percent of hockey's concussions. But it's the low hanging fruit now the game sucks. Football is getting worse with no responsibility on the player getting hit.
Disagree. 47 with multiple concussions. Doctors estimate probably 11 or more only found after a slip and fall knockout 4 years ago in which full scans were done. Explains a lot I wont go into here but all throughout playing from middle/high school, rep leagues and collage the only time injuries were discussed were a) signing of player/league waivers, paperwork nobody reads and b) when a major injuries took place ie fractured ankle etc. Long term Brain injuries were never discussed. I took a hit one time on the boards which knocked me out for approx 20 seconds. Teammates said later my body was twitching. I got up and went after the guy who jumped to plant my head in the glass....because of this they said I was fine. I sat for a shift and was out for the next. Later that night I was vomiting non stop, zero sleep and wicked headache. Was given Aleve of all things. Today we know I should have gone through concussion protocols which were not created at the time. Do i blame anyone...no.
.nobody knew. So I have to disagree about "everyone knowing". As science changes so do the facts and as the facts so does the science.
Very naive response. Im the same age. I had a concussion in middle school rugby, was knocked out cold, vomitted on the sideline and then told the coach I could go back in. Luckily my coach knew a little about concussion but most didn't.
Ive since had numerous other concussions from sports, had I any idea the pain I would be in now, I wouldnt have played. Most people had no idea the consequences of concussions.
"..Saying these guys didnt know anything is bs.
Some werent treated properly just giving pills and told to go back out. But they made the choice .."
How are they suppose make an informed choice when the NHL as well as minor hockey denies that their is an inherent risk of head trauma in the sport?
Dear Vandymeer: You are 100% correct to comment that "Saying these guys didnt know anything is bs" because everyone was aware many decades ago of prize fighters who were "punch drunk" after they left the ring. Even as a teen in the 1960's, I knew that prize fighters who got hit too many times in the head ended up in various states of "vegetation" later in life. So why should getting hit on the head in hockey be any different ? It isn't, and I can't believe that NHL players and their wives were as clueless as they now say. If they didn't "know" then they were in Deep Denial, being blinded by the glamour and mega-bucks of life in the NHL. Above all, the NHL "victims" cited in this report were all Greedy. When your making Big Bucks as a pro hockey player, you don't need to play 10 or 11 years like all of these guys did. 3 or 4 years would've been enough to save a nest egg to transition to a lucrative, less violent career. But they couldn't retire after 3 or 4 years because they were Greedy for the Big Bucks that they could only make in the NHL. So, all these NHL "victims" got what they deserved as far as I'm concerned. ... jkulik919@gmail.com
@@JosephKulik2016 Nobody new about CTE 20 years ago or how common it could become..Had they known that this would be the consequence and how wide spread this is, they could have made an informed decision. What we did know is that boxers take far more punches over the course of their career. But we now know is that it doesn't take that many and it is also the number of hits and the way that your hit while playing.
Saying that they are greedy and they deserve what they got is disgusting, does that make sleep better at night now that you've got that off your chest?
Well this didn't age well with the whole Swastika and N-word usage accusations against Carcillo this week.
I think his mission for mental health is admirable, but he shouldn't be the face of it.
is this a repost??
I highly doubt it
29:14 He should have said: "Evening, commissioner!"
The truth is these cry babies have run out of money. Years and years of athletes with abilities to cope and be proud of their sacrifice IF they had REAL issues. These days we are told we are sick. The NHL has to avoid law suits and that's why the game is changing, deleting the heart out of the game.
You're in denial real bad
Do these guys not realize concussions are a risk? Like hello, they grew up watching hockey and might have gotten a few growing up
nobody ever thinks it'll be them, and the research is starting to show that even sub-concussive injuries (hitting the ice wrong, getting checked into the boards, etc.) can do enough cumulative damage to mess your life up which they DIDN'T know back when most current NHL dudes were coming up.
They didnt know the extent of the damage caused back then.
And now the NHL- AND John Davidson is turning its back on Mark Pavelich.
We love hockey fights. Dont take fighting out of hockey. Just take care of ur enforcers. Its not rocket science.
Todd’s wife Kelly did not age well.
No doubt! She looks rough.
Were the players told or encouraged to brawl?
Too sad 😢
It's a myth that repeat concussions are the baseline condition needed to cause CTE. More recent science shows that repeated hits to the head, without concussions, can also cause CTE. In other words, the damage needed to set you on this path, is less than once thought and more insidious. This doesn't just involve sports, but other situations involving repeat head trauma (partner and child abuse, military service).
A lot of intense sports involving repeat hits to the head such as ice-hockey, football, rugby, boxing and MMA need a complete overhaul of rules and better head protection to deal with CTE trauma, especially if starting from a young age.
Why? These athletes know the risk and these sports are all completely different in regards to head tramua due to frequency of them. Fighting probably the safest because of target area being the whole body not just the head and the fact the frequency is small as a fighter doesn’t fight very often in comparison to team sports.
So very sad.
what's the current state of affairs with concussions and the NHL, I read unless I'm wrong that fighting is at least banned?
Stop the fighting! I love NHL but I do not love the fighting... So stop it!
Bah blah blah ... fighting belongs in the game ..concussions r going to happen ..its hockey ...if u dont wanna get one then dont play the game
They should named it, "The Fourth Period"
I am in my 40s if I was a Pro I'd have someone who would care which I dont Thats FN LIFE I am a everyday single guy
i have had concussions riding bicycles to work everyday... i dont get any money for my injury. i am sure these families are taken care of... early retirement... its unfortunate but yes they should have a program for after nhl and how to deal with boredom and maybe get involved with another sport that is has less impact on the body.
i do not own a house.. i cannot afford to not work. yet i get headaches and mood swings everyday... depression.. anxiety.. its all there. i do not own a house. did i say this already?
You sound a bit bitter. I bought my house at 25, with no help from anyone. Deal. With. It.
1:54 ...think there's a investigation there
“Live by the sword die by the sword “
1:55 there's some head kicking at an early age....where she learn that from?
Good for you lady's
its amazing the fans are cheering for fighting when it's killing the players
It’s the for boxing and UFC
There is much less fighting nowadays, but a lack of admission from Betman is shameful, just like Dr’s back in the 50’s even promoting cigarettes and telling people it was safe to smoke since there was no proof it was harmful.
my heart breaks for these kids and the wives not fair not right
Fighting and concussions werent an issue when the money kept rolling in.
As a massive fan of NHL hockey, I find this to be infuriating. If there’s anyone I cannot stand, It’s commissioner Gary Bettman and his arrogance.
Some good fights in this video!
It was not obvious early on...now they have changed rules. But these guys choose the big $ & the risks. It is ON the adults that chose to fight & take rich lifestyle.
I agree, and I don’t feel sorry for them, everyone knows what happens to people that fight, they get hurt..
They didnt know about cte back then. So no, they didnt know the risks.
@@Barec76 I'm with you on your thought I don't watch sports but it was not a known fact back then and let's face it the Canadian autopsy obviously lied so the Hockey League could use it and get away with even more head injuries and lawsuits...
It has been known for years that traumatic head injuries cause these types of problems - they just finally named it cte.
Now in 2022 Gary Bettman is pushing rainbow flags and trans Hockey. Talk about a horrible commissioner.
What does this has to do with hockey? It's wrestling basically. I don’t understand the not knowing that hitting your head is not good for you. Even my grandparents knew this. We’ve been told all our childhood to be careful and not hit our heads because it’s dangerous. That was back in the 80’s.
What happened to sportsmanship? Start by teaching your little kids running around in front of you.
You should ask Johan Franzen's ex-wife Cecelia about the trauma and mental changes caused by CBT, and the effect on family life. Moose wasn't even a fighter, but between Mike Babcock's humiliation and 3 or 4 concussions, he can now barely function and is constantly depressed. A bit more padding on helmets and longer visors might help, as would putting some kind of shock absorbing material on the boards. Wonder if a modified football helmet would work?
The padding in the helmet or helmet design is not the problem. Its the whip lash effect that bounces your brain around.
Very surprised no one thought of concussions. especilly if the fight a lot. Look at boxers
I have had a moderate brain injury for 13 years now. Since the age of 22. Uphill and downhill day after day and month after month. No nice life. But I'd rather be alive than dead.