Before and After House Flip That Took 16 Months! Flooded, Foundation Issues, and More!

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  • This flip was supposed to be a nice easy one! Just some paint, a roof, and some other minor repairs. However, it turned into a nightmare pretty quick! The house was flooded by the tenants, we had foundation problems, the lot was smaller than I thought, and we had to replace the kitchen twice!
    I bought the house from the MLS for $155,100 with section 8 tenants in the property. We let them stay for a few months to close out their lease and then we gave them 60 days notice that they needed to leave. They were not very cooperative and we did not think they were going leave, but they did! The problem was they did not tell us they left, they left all of the windows open in the middle of the winter, and turned the heat off. The pipes froze and the home flooded. We had to replace the kitchen, flooring, and a bunch of drywall that we were hoping to save!
    I realized when I put this video together I forgot the $1,700 water bill that we had to pay in the expenses, but I also forgot to mention the rent that we received from the tenants as well. They pretty much even each other out so I decided not to redo the entire video.
    We got the house fixed and put it on the market. It went under contract and the buyer's inspection said the foundation was bad. We had an engineer and concrete company look at it and they said it would take $84k to fix it! I knew this was a horrible bid so I found another concrete company and they came back with a bid of $5,000. Guess which company we went with? While doing the foundation work we also found that the kitchen was installed wrong and one of the drawers would not open so we had to redo that as well.
    We sold the house after all of these issues 16 months after we bought it which killed our budget. We would have made a decent profit had things gone somewhat right but with all of the issues, we lost about $10,000. It could have been much worse considering everything!
    We will keep flipping houses and this year looks to be much better year than last year already! We had some crazy situations last year but we got through them and we should have some much better before and after house flip videos coming up soon!
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 133

  • @brad8279
    @brad8279 4 роки тому +5

    Big of you admitting you messed a deal up. Real integrity move Mark. You'll never see this new breed of fake real estate gurus say something like that. And thanks again for not showing the stuff you sell down our throats.

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому +1

      have you seen my books? Just kidding,. :)

  • @trishpipkins
    @trishpipkins 4 роки тому +6

    I love that you're so incredibly honest. For anyone wanting to get into this business or anyone wanting to get better at it they NEED to watch your videos. You're giving away so much valuable information for free. I hate that you lost on this flip but the house is so much better because of you. I know it doesn't pay the bills but that's such a great thing for a neighborhood.

  • @chesshomes
    @chesshomes 4 роки тому +9

    Thank you Mark for NOT becoming a CORONAVIRUS Reporter during the Pandemic. Every other Flipper has suddenly become a News Reporter and an EXPERT on Stimulus Checks. Not You, (Or Me) we have stayed true to our channel purpose. Thank you for that!

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому +5

      Just wait for the next video! haha just kidding. I do talk about corona virus and how it affects me

    • @jaggirl
      @jaggirl 3 роки тому

      Hahaha, that's crazy funny.
      Corona ànd stimulus experts.
      We have enough of those, as it is.

  • @gthree0239
    @gthree0239 3 роки тому +1

    This is refreshing to see someone sharing the bad side of flipping. I'm sick of HGTV acting as if the flippers they feature just figure out a way to make money every single time. Plus, they never share all of the costs. That's one aspect of those shows that I've always been annoyed by.

  • @maryloutew1443
    @maryloutew1443 4 роки тому +8

    Hi Mark, wow, so much work! The house looks very, very nice, like all your flips, and not only that, you make the homes over right. Anyone moving into one of your flips should be confident that your company did the work necessary to make their investment solid. As always, thumbs up!

    • @skyking228
      @skyking228 4 роки тому +2

      They know how to manage their contractors and plan to be in real estate for a long time.

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому

      Thanks so much

  • @wilhallman2890
    @wilhallman2890 4 роки тому +1

    We bought a house with an inground pool, turns out it has two water meters. There's an additional water meter on the garden water line (to the pool). The city deducts the water usage for the pool from the sewer bill (as clearly the water is not returning to the sewer system when it's going into the pool). First time I've seen this, thought it was cool.

  • @penniesfromheavon
    @penniesfromheavon 4 роки тому +5

    I love when u post complete before and after a like this one!

  • @23Michael23
    @23Michael23 4 роки тому +7

    The 80k for the foundation is the "I don't want to do this job" price.

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому +2

      No, that was the I bet these people won't get another bid price. That was a big company and that is what they specialize in

  • @banga8080
    @banga8080 4 роки тому +1

    Great vid mark I think this is the realist flipping vid ever
    Probably wouldn't never make on HGtV or diy
    Thanks again for being totally transparent

  • @dennispike7858
    @dennispike7858 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the full disclosure, people need to see this. My family is in commercial construction and there are a lot of costs that a lay person does not know.

  • @mroberts566
    @mroberts566 4 роки тому +1

    Unfortunately I've had nothing but problems with section 8 people. You can make maybe an extra $100 or $200 per month from the subsidies, but when they move out, they cost you an extra $5,000 in repairs.

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому

      I have never had a section 8 renter in a property I kept as a rental

  • @forfoxsake7972
    @forfoxsake7972 4 роки тому +4

    Yesterday I was just about to complain that the video suddenly stopped, but you were faster :)

  • @SawmillerSmith
    @SawmillerSmith 4 роки тому +7

    I've built new homes and the nice things is you don't have to pay property taxes till the year after you finish it.

  • @judyberends4586
    @judyberends4586 4 роки тому +3

    Thanks for your video's. I like the current
    ones so much. 👍

  • @gameoflife7235
    @gameoflife7235 4 роки тому +1

    Yikes! Glad the loss was minimal. Didn't realize it's been this long! This was one of the first videos I saw after subbing to you.

  • @answir
    @answir 4 роки тому +1

    Extremely valuable content. Thank you for sharing.

  • @robstephens
    @robstephens 4 роки тому +5

    In my area, the water utility will forgive a bill caused by a catastrophic leak maybe once ever five years.

  • @topsecretbear9918
    @topsecretbear9918 4 роки тому +6

    What I get from this: Avoid buying houses that have tenants, especially section 8.
    Always get an inspection to catch large expenditures like the roof, the plumbing *& the foundation.* (maybe a separate inspection)
    Avoid, at all cost, carrying a property for a long period of time.
    I am sure most of this would have been better managed if you were flipping a smaller number of houses all at once. Having more projects at once is harder to manage & things will inevitably fall through the cracks but having more projects going at once also brings in alot more capital. Required for growth. You may need another project manager, if you had one you could also maybe double your flips or even open up to a new market. Just spit balling a bit.

  • @PillarStrength
    @PillarStrength 4 роки тому +4

    What a nightmare!! I guess you found the disappearing contractor once he filed for unemployment. What nerve. House looks good, didn't get to see the back porch, but glad it finally sold.

  • @knittingnana2939
    @knittingnana2939 3 роки тому +1

    For being section 8 tenants, those people had valuable stuff. Look at all the vehicles, tires, wheels, etc. They had money for what was important to them and it wasnt rent.

  • @williamsmith7221
    @williamsmith7221 4 роки тому +2

    That was straight pure education thanks a lot Mark!! Maybe a mastermind session coming soon??

  • @anonymousanonymous-tw3wm
    @anonymousanonymous-tw3wm 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for this video! 🤝

  • @abutts02
    @abutts02 4 роки тому +3

    Sorry you had so much trouble

  • @justinjones695
    @justinjones695 4 роки тому +1

    Mark i watched entire video waiting for the haircut reveal... i hand it to you with all the content on your page. We've only shot 4 episodes of Busted Cribs and it's a ton of work. Thank you for being a pioneer in rei video. I get a lot out of you sharing your costs/ numbers.. Justin

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому

      haha. thanks! These videos take a lot of work but the walk throughs are easy

  • @caroleehubbard8380
    @caroleehubbard8380 4 роки тому +1

    It came out cute...nice work!

  • @SawmillerSmith
    @SawmillerSmith 4 роки тому +4

    My 33 acres with a house is 7 dollars a year property tax

  • @amitgill5824
    @amitgill5824 3 роки тому

    Thank You for the video, the experience was awesome. Makes me realize to look for the positive. I am going to join your Investfourmore. I appreciate the honesty.

  • @Oracle2002
    @Oracle2002 3 роки тому +1

    Great content -What are some things I need to look for on possible foundation problems that are visible and not so apparent?

  • @debbiemcclure2874
    @debbiemcclure2874 4 роки тому +1

    Those floors were really nice to. What makes people do stupid stuff anyways?? That's down right evil. Tyfs God bless you

  • @califdad4
    @califdad4 4 роки тому +1

    on the outside its a odd looking little house, but on the inside its looks quite comfortable

    • @jaggirl
      @jaggirl 3 роки тому

      It sure does.
      Strange looking place. If you owned it and had money. It would be an easy fix. Adding more room, and patio/decking undercover, double garage, fencing etc.

  • @lumpilulu
    @lumpilulu 4 роки тому +1

    Well this was a bummer.

  • @statewench2828
    @statewench2828 4 роки тому +1

    You can take to loss on taxes also so perhaps a small bright side. It still looks great sorry about the loss.

  • @garyflythe1362
    @garyflythe1362 3 роки тому

    Hey Mark these people are financially unable to probably move all their stuff out that's why they needed rental assistance and depending on how decent a guy you are some tenants might not want to leave you with a mess not everybody can afford fancy cars. Mark a couple dollars all you have to do is buy the foam pipe insulation the ones with the slit in them would have saved you thousands of dollars

  • @marybethduke3263
    @marybethduke3263 4 роки тому +1

    God bless you...that hurt in so many ways. But that is the 'tax' you pay sometimes...just sorry that it happened to you. Yes, go with flips from higher value properties - might avoid Section 8 that way, although, as you said, good and bad at all levels. I just shake my head at some people and wonder what they are thinking.

  • @bradysg
    @bradysg 4 роки тому +1

    That's a lot of stuff to deal with! #HC

  • @cheryljoynson7053
    @cheryljoynson7053 3 роки тому

    As we say in the Midlands uk.. swings and roundabouts. ....win some lose some.

  • @bethmerryfield7186
    @bethmerryfield7186 4 роки тому +1

    I like the complete before and after in your videos Mark. However the numbers don't relate to most areas.

  • @annettemaddalone4297
    @annettemaddalone4297 4 роки тому +1

    where did you get the table and chairs from love them

  • @valentinabove
    @valentinabove 4 роки тому +1

    Cute haircut!

  • @kathrynb4683
    @kathrynb4683 4 роки тому +2

    That house could be bought for $45,000 in my part of the country. You are crazy in my eyes. Just crazy. Why do you put so much out? You could make $100k here on that.

    • @skyking228
      @skyking228 4 роки тому +1

      I totally agree, makes no sense to me either.

    • @gigigoodwitch8198
      @gigigoodwitch8198 4 роки тому

      Yuppers, my son's house in South West Virginia way cheaper than here in Colorado. However, it is what it is!

    • @thatsmalltowngirl4
      @thatsmalltowngirl4 4 роки тому +2

      Because its Colorado. 5 years ago it would have been worth that. But thanks to some changes and incoming corporations, Colorado has skyrocketed in home and rent prices. It is now in the 10 most expensive places to live in the US.

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому

      What would it sell for fixed up?

  • @shaun0621
    @shaun0621 4 роки тому

    Why didn't you try renting the property to recoup some of your money? Thanks for sharing I'm learning a lot. I'm really interested in real estate investing, but it's hard to convince the wife to take the risk. What do you think is a better investment, renting or flipping properties?

  • @RaineyPowerTraining
    @RaineyPowerTraining 4 роки тому +1

    I can feel the pain your voice. I'm sorry.

  • @markbement2508
    @markbement2508 4 роки тому

    I believe I would have to rethink my lender...private or not

  • @lenorecurry1131
    @lenorecurry1131 4 роки тому +3

    What A Mess!!!!! Lol!!!!😂😂

  • @NoviceExpert
    @NoviceExpert 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the great video. Amazing job despite all the nightmares. Too bad about the loss, but I guess that's the risk with the types and volumes or properties you buy. I would love to get into this business, having a background in construction and accounting I think I'm well suited. However, I'm young and don't have much capital and the cheapest detached home in my area is $450K. How did you first get into this business?

  • @irishheart4768
    @irishheart4768 4 роки тому

    Not all sec 8 people are bad I have a few and they are very good tenants but I have had some that where bad that is whenI started checking on there back ground..

  • @TourPace
    @TourPace 4 роки тому

    I'd like to think they lost their vouchers, but I doubt it.

  • @Kimmyha43
    @Kimmyha43 Рік тому

    Hi Mark, what town is this?

  • @wkjeom
    @wkjeom 4 роки тому +2

    Why didn't your insurance pay for the flooding cost? I would have expected it to pay. Isn't there some kind of flippers insurance that would cover for these totally unexpected serious problems?

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому

      we didn't file a claim because I have had a lot of claims lately

  • @lesleywatkins1172
    @lesleywatkins1172 4 роки тому +1

    Would you have seen a better profit if you had knocked it down and started again?

  • @Johns_Ceiling_Of_Lies
    @Johns_Ceiling_Of_Lies 4 роки тому +1

    Did you go after the former tenant for damage and clean out costs?

  • @lucille_3
    @lucille_3 4 роки тому +1

    That kitchen in Florida would be under $1,500 with installation

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому

      with appliances???

    • @lucille_3
      @lucille_3 4 роки тому

      Mark Ferguson - InvestFourMore no lol. Just the cabinets and countertop. It’s amazing the deals people can get in FL. House looked great!

  • @Bpatsfan123
    @Bpatsfan123 4 роки тому +4

    Any reason you didn’t refinance at 25% equity with a normal interest rate and throw it up for rent for a few years?

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому +1

      It would rent for $1,400 a month maybe and not cash flow

    • @Bpatsfan123
      @Bpatsfan123 4 роки тому

      Mark Ferguson - InvestFourMore fair enough, that’s the opposite side of the country as me (:

    • @TourPace
      @TourPace 4 роки тому

      Not to mention the risk of a new tenant damaging the property, costs involved with a future eviction, etc. I feel bad for people holding rental properties these days. They have no rights compared to tenants. My in-laws just sold all of their rentals because it wasn't worth it anymore. Which makes it even harder for young folks just starting out to find an apartment.

  • @ameriguardextermination
    @ameriguardextermination 4 роки тому +1

    Why didn’t your insurance cover the flooding repairs from the burst pipe?
    I had one in a rental a year and a half ago and they covered 30k worth of damage plus lost revenue.

    • @stevenanderson3386
      @stevenanderson3386 4 роки тому +1

      What insurance company do u have because I had that happen with a tenant and my insurance said not covered

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому +1

      I was worried about too many claims and we didn't think the damage was that bad at first

    • @ameriguardextermination
      @ameriguardextermination 4 роки тому

      Tint Time Nationwide on that one

  • @tchotchkegirl8880
    @tchotchkegirl8880 4 роки тому +1

    Does your home owners insurance cover the damages the tenants did?

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому

      It would have if I used it. I did not know it was as bad as it was and I didn't want another claim

    • @tchotchkegirl8880
      @tchotchkegirl8880 4 роки тому

      @@investfourmore Thank you for responding. 95% of my questions to other sites never get answered. Thanks.... I learning a lot. I have the skills to do the work just need to figure out the $$ side. I lost out on a super flip last year I could have made $125,000 profit. With little work.
      Because I didn't have the financing in place & I'm a single women.

  • @nancyparker3732
    @nancyparker3732 4 роки тому +2

    Did the pipes burst because the electric was off?

    • @investfourmore
      @investfourmore  4 роки тому

      yes because that made the furnace not work

  • @hollymikel5955
    @hollymikel5955 4 роки тому +3

    They sure have a lot of nicee stuff fir section 8.......

  • @deborahcaldwell9775
    @deborahcaldwell9775 Рік тому

    Yikes

  • @mikhailivanov3378
    @mikhailivanov3378 4 роки тому +1

    You talk more about difficult flips. As a result, we have a bias thinking that almost all your flips are nightmare. Can you show some statistics: usual flips/flips with some problems/nightmares

  • @cathysanders2718
    @cathysanders2718 4 роки тому +1

    /

  • @graybryan9521
    @graybryan9521 4 роки тому +7

    The good news is your were able to gt a haircut, so there's that...

  • @jasongates-
    @jasongates- 4 роки тому

    23:35 Where the green(ish) pick up truck is in the window to the right, and the end table is in the corner with a picture hanging on the wall above that table, and there's like a plant underneath that window in the living room ............... that would have been the perfect place to put / hang a TV (at an angle in the corner), as the new owners. The living room and the kitchen and even the room at 23:41 - 23:42 would have a good view of the TV.
    So, the lenders are the ones who require insurance on the house. I remember once asking if the state of Colorado was the one who required that.
    I remember this house because of the foundation part.
    I suspect that the next real estate agent will have better luck selling and profiting on this house, now that everything that happened already happened. It's unfortunate that you are not the next one. I guess timing is also a factor at whether an agent makes a profit. Because, if another agent had been the one to buy this house when you did, THAT agent would have gone through what you did with this house, instead of you. Then maybe you would have been that "next" agent after that.

  • @liasummers1824
    @liasummers1824 4 роки тому

    I bet that house cost $15k new

  • @vernonsanders371
    @vernonsanders371 3 роки тому

    Never rent to section 8 people

  • @Alex-vb8kq
    @Alex-vb8kq 4 роки тому

    With how much money you've made over the past few years, why not self finance your flips? 9% is a decent return in this market, shame to give it away if you dont have to.

  • @craigisrael7235
    @craigisrael7235 3 роки тому

    Orange Man Bad...Mark Man Gooood