Making Egyptian Drill Holes: Lost Ancient High Technology
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- The experimentalist Nikolay Vasiutin copies the ancient Egyptian technology of granite drilling: a copper tube and a grinding agent (corundum). Evidence of ancient machining?
"It often happens that on various Internet forums and social media I have to communicate with people who do argue that ancient Egyptians had zero skills. Though all of us read about them in schoolbooks and watched some films. In other words, ancient Egyptians allegedly didn’t have tools and technologies necessary to create all those things which are shown to touristsin Egypt nowadays.For even guides in the Museum of Egyptian Antiquities in Cairo say they don’t know how such impressive bores in granite could be made".
The experiment was carried out for the ANTROPOGENEZ.RU (antropogenez.ru).
The video was first presented on June the 5th, 2016, at the "Scientists against Myths" educational forum.
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Experiment participants, apart from Nikolay Vasiutin:
- Aleksandr Sokolov, ANTROPOGENEZ.RU editor;
- Oleg Krugliakov, owner of the "What the ancients could do" forum (rekhmire.ru);
- Valeriy Senmuth (senmuth.com)
- Vladimir Morozov (v-morozov.ru).
Specifications:
Total work time: 8 hours.
Tube diameter: 50mm.
Drilling depth: 50mm.
Tube runout:15mm.
Total weight of the bitbrace: 11kg.
Camera and edit: Vladimir Morozov (v-morozov.ru).
Involving music and photos by Valeriy Senmuth (senmuth.com).
English translation: Dmitrij Kazak
English voiceover: Dmitry Oliferovich
French subtitles: Irna Osmanovic
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German subtitles: Yury Erofeev
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The experimentalist Nikolay Vasiutin copies the ancient Egyptian technology of granite drilling: a copper tube and a grinding agent (corundum).
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You have very high goals for yourself!
An interesting experiment, but not very meaningful, as the viewer does not know whether you really drilled by hand or just made a few turns for the film.
Anyway, I suggest a scientific approach to you:
1st question:
Which hypothesis should be confirmed or even proven by your experiment?
Answer: In the Neolithic or the Copper Age, core holes were drilled with primitive tools.
Any modern drilling technology should be excluded.
2nd question:
What types of core holes were drilled when and where?
Answer:
There are various butt and core holes as well as drill cores in axes, temple entrances, dolmen entrances and various building blocks whose purposes are unknown today.
Stone materials with a Mohs hardness of 1-7 were pierced.
Core holes have been known at least in Central Europe, Mesopotamia and Egypt for possibly 6500-5500 years.
3rd question:
Are there records of ancient core hole drilling techniques in words and pictures?
Answer: Yes, in ancient Egypt there are reliefs and hieroglyphics that describe grinding bores.
4th
Data acquisition through experiment:
If possible, look for 4 Neolithic drill cores from each of the above-mentioned regions and carry out comparative drilling in cooperation with an institute for materials science with identical materials and dimensions.
The following data should be recorded:
Tool:
power consumption
feeding rate
rotational speed
pressure on tool
wear
costs
Workpiece:
dimensional accuracy
surface quality
microstructure
crystalline changes
The auxiliary constructions and their creation effort should also be recorded.
Possible attempts and for comparison
Ancient:
Drills with tendon arches, hand drills with and without guides, with and without abrasives
Drill material: pipes made of wood, bone, copper, bronze, iron
Abrasives: corundum, quartz, normal sand, dry or wet
Modern:
Abrasive dry, steel with diamond or widia with or without guide
Abrasive wet, steel with diamond or widia with or without guide
Abrasive with corundum, rotating water jets
Thermal with rotating laser
Thermal with rotation maser
Thermal with plasma
Crushing with ultrasonic drilling
5th
Evaluation of the data in cooperation with an institute for materials science and preparation of an official report.
I don't understand at all why an engineer named Christopher Dunn hasn't done this for a long time, he has the skills and experience to carry out exactly these tests.
Last
By the way, your sarcastic way of attempting to refute C. Dunn's hypotheses is extremely unpleasant and seems unprofessional.
A sober approach would be appropriate because your experiment too - only clarifies a small part of the problem.
Have fun researching and good luck. Cheers!
@@Wolffzahn great research program, get busy.
My parents hired some laborers to cut a large rock that is beside my house and a ton shit load of money and they even didn't do the job as expected on to of that they scam us with overprice if we had this thing it would have saved us hundreds of dollars
@@vorrdegard2176 your saying drilling a hole using a copper tube would have been the best way to cut a stone in your back yard? No wonder they ripped you off your not very bright
Core drill 7, enough said...
Now imagine someone doing this who was trained in the arts of the trade, themselves being generations old and perfected over time. That’s most likely what we are looking at when we see ancient Egyptian stonework.
Exactly, it seems archeologists frequently make this mistake. Saw a documentary where they tried recreating Polynesians boat building and travel to Okinawa. The archeologists said the workers can't use hammers, even when they complained of lots of pain in their hand of baging rocks against eachother. To me, the hand pain is evidence enough that there would be a strong motivation to quickly innovate some primitive tools to help alleviate the pain. But the archeologists stubbornly thinks that all ancient people were complete morons.
They failed. Very funny and extremely cocky of the archeologists to think that they can surpass the ship building skill of these ancient people that worked for hundreds of years perfecting their techniques. I think they can't even come close without relying on modern technology, they can't prove shit without working on the problems for ages like the ancients did.
@@xiupsilon876 "innovate some primitive tools to help alleviate the pain"
Exactly - which is exactly the impetus for inventing weapons that further and further removed the wielder from the opponent in battle.
Power tools just further the evolution of removing operator effort/pain from the work vs more primitive hand tools.
Yes that means that skill was developed over 10s of thousands of years. No one is saying aliens with a brain. But there was great floods that wiped out many civilization s. What were the pyramids used for?
@@jasonshink6589 no, try a few hundred years. We can see from
The archaeological record the progression. Egypts technology was essentially unchanged for 70,000 years. We find nothing but flint knapping technology. Then a few thousand years before what we think of as ancient Egypt, we see a slow progression into the granite and limestone work that everyone thinks is something it’s not.
Whether you agree or disagree, I can't help wondering why you can't see ahtt's claims. "Similar but different" In any case, thanks for all your hard work.
Georgio's hair would straighten out if he saw this.
I hope you guys win _this_ war against ignorance and stupidity - because there's a lot of it, everywhere.
Great video!
Thank you for this!
Great job in promoting interesting knowledge and fighting stinky worldwide disinformation
Thank you so much.
The technology has not been lost just the patience and skill.
Toda la razón.
No. We have more skilled people alive today, than have existed throughout the whole of history. What has changed are the cultural expectations of the ruling class concerning the building of mega structures. What are considered 'normal' work practices, and 'normal' project management in the modern world are very different to those in the ancient world. What is considered a 'valuable skill' today, is very different. What is considered 'unskilled' is also very different.
National service as religious practice, was a big deal in Ancient Egypt.
The use of slave labor on precision engineering jobs during WW2 has proven very informative about what kinds of work you can force people to do, and what kinds of work require a workplace culture of relative civility and respect. Child labourers making watch chains in 19th century were treated like punching bags. But slaves forging foreign currency for the Nazis were treated relatively well.
I'm not trying to revive the hollywood myth of slave labor used on the pyramids, the evidence for the working conditions at the Giza pyramids suggest otherwise. In the middle kingdom there is extensive evidence for industrial action. I'm just saying that definitions of productivity and efficiency are not universal, but the definition of a healthy work place culture is universal.
@@wiretamer5710 I was talking about stone masons but sure!
Well said. In just a single nother generation, because of the social atmosphere, most trades will be all but monopolized by industry. Due ONLY to the fact that our children are being subverted by mainstream to think only elitists with advanced tech or aliens making hybrid celb status narcissists that 'look' impressive can achieve anything.
Summary, if they can't find a youtube video it isn't real. But dad is just a fool who plays with random worthless artifacts.
Someone at the History Channel needs to watch this.
Right? Someone should start one that hasn't sold it's soul. The best I have are streaming services that never add any new videos
@@paul6925 I find it so incredibly insulting to ancient peoples, to say that they surely couldn’t have pulled off the awe-inspiring feats of engineering on their own. It must have been ancient aliens! Horse shit!! The History Channel has some serious atoning to do for all the damage they have caused. It is infinitely more fascinating to learn the truth, like these two gentlemen showed us. These guys were EXCELLENT! So meticulous with every detail of explaining exactly what was happening. Plus, both of their t-shirts are bad ass!! Let’s get them a show on a major platform. They would leave the ancient alien technology theorists embarrassed and humiliated, which is precisely how they should feel.
@@BarnabyBaltimoron I agree! It is insulting. I hope there is a growing niche market for these guys, because a lot of us are so sick of all the BS
History TV 18 insults it's viewers intelligence
Why? It doesn't have aliens or wild conspiracy theories in it... :)
You can watch hundreds of hours of American videos about laser beams and lost alien technology, or watch a couple of Russian blokes answering the mystery in twenty minutes. And without the dramatic music and low brow commentary.
@Cuban-Jo I imagine if one's IQ has dropped below 70, then yes, the US ones are probably more fun!
That proves nothing. Because that hole is not accurate. Not precise. And it’s small You cannot cut granite with copper in any precise way And then there is the weight. The biggest modern crane can barely lift a 75 ton block a few hundred feet up! And all this talk does not discuss the amazing accuracy and complexity of the great pyramid They used incredible math and geometry
Throughout Egypt. Hundreds of structures we cannot build today Plus all that is deep underground Which is massive
People on youtube: "aliens and lost technology"
Guy with a stick: "i just did it though."
People on youtube: "alien confirmed"
UA-cam commenter: No no no hold on there. You did 3 mm per 4.92 hours and 76529.1 microns of oxidization. Over 12 weeks and 42 hours, not including 31.35 hours of accumulated moonlight striking the earth at 20.492 degrees and the sweat generated by 42 muskrats in a desert setting, ive concluded that it must be aliens.
Tubular bow drills can be seen in the famous depiction of ancient Egyptian craftsmen at work in the tomb of Rekhmire. Further a stone artifact unearthed at Armana which was fashioned using such a bow drill contained residue in the drill holes. The residue when analyzed showed copper and corundum. Emery corundum was mined on the Greek island of Naxos from antiquity to modern times making it easily obtainable for ancient Egypt. Other possible sources exist in the region as well.
Yes there is a corundum source in the eastern desert between the Nile and the Red Sea.
@@mnomadvfx There is another corundum source west of the Nile as well…
The source west of the Nile had been matched to bore hole residue at Amarna.
Just like a more modern calyx drill. Everything new is old sgain.
You completely miss the point. Those hieroglyphs were from much LATER dynasties, when all that technology that baffles everyone was LONG GONE.
@@davestephens8033 😴😴😴
no lost ancient high technology, just good masons
Was waiting for this video for 20 years ! this is genius level of engineering, so grateful for this demonstration ! you need to publish a scientific article man !
What's funny is that there are stoneworkers in Egypt who have either worked out most of these techniques or had them passed down to them during their early training. There are hours of recordings with them on UA-cam but they are buried under the algorithm and days worth of conspiracy theory videos. Kudos on getting to the top of the queue.
What is also funny is that those techniques don't leave the same traces/markings. So it can't be how it was done. There are videos about that too but you have to dig even deeper to find those.
ua-cam.com/video/KFuf-gBuuno/v-deo.html
@@chrissibersky4617
>those techniques don't leave the same traces/markings
ua-cam.com/video/HQi4yql7Ysg/v-deo.html
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths
That was very well explained! 👍
Thank you.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Wondering if they use a continuous loop of rope to run the drill in one direction and the cutting marks correspond to the paths of abrasive particles and the granite powder exiting the hole. It might also be possible to get the 2mm cutting pitch if it's done after an initial rough hole, as in a finishing process.
Ah. Your linked video explains this - Well done!
Archeologist Flint Dibble mentioned this channel on the Joe Rogan podcast.. Now I'm here. Interesting video!
Wellcome!
Me too!
This is just a couple guys messing around. Imagine a guy with years of experience doing it and could do it faster. No big mystery or alien technology needed just sweat and a few blisters. Now show us how to move the huge blocks in the pyramids please!
Yeah exactly, like comparing some scientist trying to saw and glue some wood to see if you can built a violin compared to a master luthier who comes from 10+ generations of the craft.
Too bad this doesn’t have 10M views. This is awesome, thank you for demonstrating.
It's nonsense. The copper abrasion is too high for this to be at all practical.
@@methylene5 Who said it was practical?
There is a difference between practical and necessary.
If the pharaoh/high priest says they want it and are willing to pay, then you just do it.
It's good to be the king.
@@mnomadvfx If copper was used to cut the stones, the entire desert would be green with copper oxide. You don't seem to understand the scale of the stone cutting. That's what I meant by "practical". Furthermore, they never had enough copper and bronze to account for the abrasion that would occur from cutting tens of millions of precision cut stones in Egypt.
@@methylene5 Overexaggerate much lol. I'm sure you're an expert in field 🤣. It definitely not bullshit and I'm 100% sure it not done by aliens, lizard people or power tools 🤣.
This is impressive but there's a hell of a lot of movement going on, the drill is far from remaining perfectly vertical which would surely be required to make precision cuts. Could you really cut with the incredibly high precision we see in Egypt this way?
Brilliant boys.But I bet there are tons of pyramidiots who would still insist aliens or Atlanteans were involved.
Beautiful! Such a great explanation of how holes were drilled. Subscribed! Can't wait to see more of your experiments! :)
You never convince the idiots! Some people need to believe in the supernatural over the hard work of ingenious humans.
This is the ultimate respect that can be given to the master craftsmen and laborers of ancient Egypt that are responsible for these beautiful artifacts we have all seen. Thanks for showing your callouses from this process as well. Expertise alongside blood, sweat, and tears are responsible for these structures, no laser beams required.
Well said
wow that is certainly very interesting. as someone who had been convinced the striations couldnt be achieved with such a tool im proven wrong. although there are no real closeups of the thing which still has me doubting a bit. i even realized after watching this video that flinders pietries drillcore 7 isnt even thinner at the bottom but at the top! always thought it was the other way around.
so it is indeed possible to recreate a drillhole almost exactly like the ancient ones. but how about recreating a whole full-sized drillcore? how long would that take? several weeks? and for what purpose would that even be. they used it as doorhinges at other sites but it seems completely random at giza. i still cant wrap around why you would do such a thing: just because you can?
anyways i thank you for you work because youre basically the first people to REALLY test these things and show the results (kinda) more scientifically. but as other people said, we need experiments with several scientists to accurately measure and evaluate the findings, compare to whats found on giza plateau. curious for your future videos
I want to see them wrap a string around the core showing the groove is conical just like Christopher Dunn
@@kevinmoore9084 you realize the regularity is a function of rotation speed, right?
So 2 dudes, one having never done it before, will have a variance to the speed.
The ancient driller was not doing his first one, and the addition of a drumbeat makes it regular.
Got anything else?
@@stripeytawney822 Don't be fooled! Christopher dunn did not assert that the toolmark consisted of regularly spaced concentric rings. His assertion is that it is one continuous helical toolmark. That is why the string was employed to verify a singular indention.
All someone has to do to prove the have a helical groove, is place a core on a rotating base, and it will be obvious...but I've never seen this done. Every core I've looked at appear to have concentric rings rather than one continous groove.
They also could have maybe utilized a far bigger drill but the same theoretical design shown here to cut out the larger portions. and then finish up with smaller ones.
Guys... congratulations!!!
I dedicate myself to the dissemination of science and many times videos like this are necessary! Keep in that way!
Greetings from Argentina
Claudio
Thank you!
No one is saying that the ancients could not cut granite with copper, the issue is that the lands and grooves of the ancient artifacts do not match up with the method which you just employed. In order to complete your experiment, you need to compare the lands and grooves of your cores and ancient cores using more scientific methods like electron microscopes. You'll find that your core is nothing like the ancient samples. All you've done is show us how the ancients did not accomplish the task.
We just published a video specifically about grooves: ua-cam.com/video/HQi4yql7Ysg/v-deo.html
Thank you for wathcing!
P.S.: "You'll find that your core is nothing like the ancient samples".
Ahahahaha!
Technically it isn't a drill, it's a bore saw.
Now make a finely shaped figure out of that granite like it was clay.
Melt the granite by magnifying the sun onto the block and pour in a mould.
That I need to know
I believe this is done like a 3d print, except as a subtractive process like cnc cutting. Grab your seat. How would this be done? Well, start with a clay prototype, still wet. Carefully cut the prototype into slices with a horse hair or similar thread, support the thread on both sides so each cut is flat. Now what? Now I believe we make the jump to what the Eye of Divine Providence actually is a representation of and could explain the obsession with pyramids. Once you've got your rough geometry, skilled hands can make it smooth using known methods.
@@Antiextremistdude they aren’t just smooth tho , they are identical , from left to right , precision more precise then humans can eye ball
@@keepitkosher8065 That just means you only have to make half the templates then flip them, makes the job even easier. Their precision is good but attainable. I did similar stuff before I got my CNC machine. I used to work off a pedestal drill loaded with router bits, a slide vice and a tilting table with a slot/channel loaded in the vice. The slot has a bearing at the end, so an MDF template (anyone cluing on - MDF has excellent dimensional stability unlike timber) with a pin in the middle can rotate on the tilting table while being bound to one dimension by the channel. Whatever shape your template, anything mounted and being cut on it will take on the shape of the template. This is probably more complicated than what I've described with the light projection on templates going slice by slice - I didn't have time nor space to make that many templates, so I'd use as few as possible, preferably one or two. It gets complicated with scaling - what happens isn't a scale, it's more like polar addition which is almost the same as using offset path on CAD programs. Going inwards, an oval template collapses in the middle, going outwards, the traced shape approaches a circle off to infinity distance, with only the initial difference between the length and width distinguishing the shape from a perfect circle. Weird twisting effects happen if you don't have the cutter perfectly lined up with the slot, weird things also happen if the centre pin isn't drilled near the centre of the template. And the real fun is machining outwards, toward the edge, because the template has to be the shape modified by polar subtraction. One shape I could make this way was a teardrop and the corresponding template is a kidney shape. I could judge how well I'd done the templates by how close the outward machining matched the inward machining because they were done using different templates.
Anyway, what I've described here is the kind of thing the Egyptians could have done manually with enough skill and patience.
Next video: How to make a granite vase, that is translucent, and with copper tools...
Next week's video: How to make precision cuts on granite, with copper tools, and leave no tool marks...
Next month's video: How to move 60 ton granite blocks, that were precisely cut, and put them so perfectly into place that you cannot slide a playing card through a crack and lift that 60 ton granite block about 450 feet off the ground...
Please, show us more of that Egyptian ingenuity, while using only copper tools and rope...
Interesting. Thank you
how did they make the copper tube?
Seriously…the experiment ends right here. 😂
....??? there are literally Egyptian hieroglyphs of tube drilling?? Lots of them... Same with copper saws, same with highly advanced bronze, alloy, chisels that they have in museums same with in a numerable wealth of tools that you probably have no idea exist because you don't do any research before talking out of your own ass
You definitely need two voices for such videos, with only one it's a bit uncomfortable to listen
Very cool video anyway, thanks!
Yeah, the garage 54 translator would be perfect
These dubs are always uncomfortable to listen anyway. Just leave the original audio alone and do subtitles.
Yes, but I'm just grateful there is translation at all. Thanks for such great videos.
These guys have proved ancient power tools work. I want them to try polygonal stonework next.
Perforate the rock in a line, insert wood, add water, rock splits evenly, now sand for smooth finish.
@@iGame3D gold plated mirrors reflect infrared really well. Good enough to melt rock? Cities of Gold?
@@iGame3D read his message again. And explain how granite Stone is cut to Glass lake consistency into 400 ton blocks raised 300 ft in the air
@@iGame3D Get yourself a dictionary, and look up what polygonal actually means.
Tubular drill doesn't explain precision right angles recessed into granite and perfectly flat surfaces. Also doesn't explain precision cut granite vases.
That does not match the stryations of the drill core Flanders Petree measued.
Good cutting though.
now, show me how you cut the inside corners of a granite box. 😊
Great channel! I have worked stone for about 15 years. I try so hard to explain reality to people who have been fooled by the ancient alien charlatans. It is great that I can point them to your channel now and save myself some time. :)
Wellcome!
I would like you to make a video with the materials and tools of that time .... which is actually something that no one has been able to achieve .... or make those holes, much less build a pyramid of those ... the mystery is raised and I would love to know sometime how all that happened and who did it !!!!!
But Ancient Aliens are so much more fun! 😁
@@carolinapelegrinivillafane3290 this has been done. No matter how many times people prove it, there will always be people like you. You have demonstrated that
@@carolinapelegrinivillafane3290 drilling holes with the tools of the time is exactly what this video is doing. Why do you ask such a silly question.
This was fantastic! I subscribed because I want to know more of your techniques, and try them for myself in some upcoming projects. I would like to cut stone, especially granite, using whatever ancient techniques I can find. Thank you so much for your video!
Thank you and good luck!
Great video guys! I'm curious about a few things. For one, does it cut faster if you apply more downward force in the form of weight? Does speed make that much of a difference? My mind immediately scales up application. A bigger copper pipe, a log instead of a sapling, and a hundred pound plate instead of a plaster mold.
Anyways, thanks for doing this! Been waiting years for someone to just make the damn video and silence all the 'high technology' ideologues. Glad someone finally stepped up! :)
There are probably limits to the technology, like high friction, high tool wear, difficulty operating, perhaps abrasive paste might have a harder time to get into the groove, etc. Although the design looks inefficient and exhausting. Personally, I would prefer a less wobbly device had I had to perform such a task. I think they have demonstrated in the later videos on this channel a larger copper drill with a large and stable handle.
@@pavel9652
High tool wear was overcome by real time frequent replacement and refurbishment of the tools. A single copper or bronze age drilling job involved half a dozen support workers keeping up a constant supply of sharpened tools to the coalface workers.
As the metallurgy evolved over time, the number of people employed in sharpening was drastically reduced without effecting productivity.
Today, high performance steel alloy tools eliminate the need for frequent tool replacement and on site sharpening, just as mechanical drills eliminated the need for a two man tool holder and tool striker team. Two man hand drilling teams were common in underground mining up until WW2. Hot riveting teams for large scale fabrication remain in limited use.
How much did the copper bit wear lengthwise to cut 50mm of stone?
It's not exactly rocket surgery, is it? More like stone surgery. :)
And given the fact modern humans evolved as a stone-working species ~300,000 years ago, they received the benefit of at least 3 hominid ancestors and 3,000,000+ years of experience of finding, quarrying, moving, transporting, placing, cutting, and polishing stone.
Humans were literally born as masters of stone, and bone, and wood, and sinew, and fire.
It's only in the modern age that traditional stoneworking (Freemasonry, anyone?) has not been taught, and so some modern people don't accept the facts. But the continued existence of specialist stonemasons, who can trace their trade back in time for over 150,000 generations is all the proof we need to know the ancients were geniuses with stone, and very efficient with it.
They were professional master craftsmen, assisted by large numbers of semi-skilled labourers, coordinated by competent managers, fed by competent cooks and competent brewers, and it was all paid for by royal patronage and/or religious fervor.
There literally are no mysteries in Egypt, only unanswered questions in some areas of detail.
The real mystery about ancient Egypt is why so many supposedly educated modern humans reject well-established facts and accept bizarre fantasies, which require the existence of conspiracies that would require the participation of hundreds of thousands of scientists and historians across multiple disciplines. The idea is laughable.
Science is literally the business of establishing physical truth and explaining the natural world. Pseudoscience and junk science do not stand the test of time. And as for conspiracy theories, we know it's always been true that three people CAN keep a secret, but only if two of them are dead.
thank you some much for doing these experiments . Keep up your great work
I'm particularly impressed the way the egyptians made copper tubing
Copper was generally too soft... but can still make an effective chisel. Bronze was an upgrade to be sure. Flint = GOAT
You know copper is soft right? You know they could melt and bend this stuff...
Copper hardens naturally when worked. It is only “soft” in the annealed condition.
Once a sheet of copper is beaten into a sheet it is about as hard as it’s going to get. But it is much harder than soft copper.
They didn't use pure copper though... The copper ore they smelted had naturally occurring arsenic in it, and as a result the end result was an alloy of copper and arsenic - this is called arsenical bronze, and is much, much, tougher than copper alone.
Ok so with all skills combined, when is a full size granite sarcophagus? We need to know how long this will take. Get olga to do the finishing, and drill out the interior using this technique. I have a feeling that doing such a thing would catapult understanding
You going to provide the money and labor a pharoah had?🤡
Repeat this every day and before going to sleep: ancient people were as smart as we are today, they deserve our respect and appreciation, they invented drills, knives, axes, throwing devices, and methods to move tons of rock. I SHALL NEVER UNDERESTIMATE ANCIENT HOMO SAPIENS.
The Chinese traditionally used bamboo for stone drilling.
and bone, like all world before before they started using bronze
They must have used that on their pyramids.
@@deepthunder1034
there is no bamboo in egypt as far as i know
PLEASE do one anout the scallop marks on the unfinished obelisk of ashwan ! I have a percussion (simple) drilling technique that can explain almost all of it
Its pretty basic stuff , really....
Surely this offers an explanation for drilling (albeit rather rough looking), but doesn't explain the precision of the right-angle cuts in some of the massive boxes that have been found, or the tight mortarless fit of stones. These mysteries don't imply atlanteans or aliens, it just means there's still much to learn and left unexplained
Really? Do unexplained things still exist in the world after watching this 20 minute video?
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths What? Please make sense.
Corrected. Has it become clearer? )
@@cruzgonzalez7061 apparently it’s sarcasm. Classic Russian humour 🤪
You should keep watching some more videos of this channel. They'll show you how it could have been done, with a few hand tools, dedication, and hard work. This is what makes ancient Egyptians so great
I can't thank you enough for your work. I do have an 'alternative' mindset in regards to the sophistication of ancient mathematics and geometry however for years I have been banging heads with the Lost High Technology crowd who simply refuse to accept that ancient lifting and stoneworking techniques are the basis for modern technologies. No matter how many times i recommend they read Heron, Vitruvius and other ancient texts in regards to these things they just refuse.
Also how pantographs can be used to fit polygonal stonework with high precision (restorations at the Parthenon and Joresh used this exact method to fit shattered pieces of the original stonework to fit with new stone) which is much more difficult than fitting the smooth sided blocks. The modern restorers foud this ancient method much more effecient than modern technologies. Again, nothing but denial and angry ad hominems, along with many peole claiming to be masons, chemists and engineers but even with my limited knowledge I exposed their lies all too easily.
When I try to tell them this polygonal-cyclopean masonry was used to make the walls of naval forts such as in the Baltic they only dodge the issue by shifting the goal posts to another 'what about this and what about that'. I answer and provide examples but no response. After all those years I can't help but see it as a fundamentalist cult. The methodology and cheap psychological tactics could be copy pasted from the standard play book of Scientology and other such cults.
If I could suggest another experiment it would be how the ancient Egyptians lit the underground passages such as the Serapeum. Instead of multiple mirrors (which doesn't work very well) I have read that natron and castor oil creates a smokeless flame thus stopping the ceiling being stained in soot.
Thanks for the detailed comment!
Do you have any information on exactly how sarcophagi were made?
I don't contend that the Ancients were intelligent but surely with this method of drilling you would need 6ft x 3ft core drills to even attempt to make all the sarcophagi at the serapeum of Saqarra, not to mention it seems evident most of the difficult work was done prior to moving them to this place. Which seems risky to me.
But then there are a couple of impressive ones from later Iron using cultures. Like the Sarcophagi of Helena and Constantina.
Not necessary, they are some big problems. Do not forget the most advanced technological artefacts belongs to the predynastic time. So the pictograms/hieroglif are real in showing the manufacture method. But in the same time could be an effort for them to achieve the same result having advanced reference in front of their eyes, artefacts made by somebody else in another time. Predynastic mean they did not know the wheel. Anyway it is a very good result. Even in the video they remove the stone using steel chisel. Again steel did not exist at that time, and when existed was very rare, being very valuable and you will not waste this steel manufacturing chisels.
@@Cornel1001 the stone core can be snapped off with a simple wooden wedge, as shown in other videos. Ancient Egyptians also don’t wear jeans and appear on UA-cam, do you understand my point?
@@lookoutforchris I am afraid they had other technological approach to solve other problems. Perfect flat surfaces on large areas are huge challenge even today, as example. Or moving 100 tonnes blocks. Stone age from my point of view is not studied enough. Bob Brier made very nice observation on his books, insisting everything is inherited from ancient Egypt is made by normal people but very well organised.
so... you spent 2 days to drill an inch. Impressive. Take that Aswan Quarry.
I can't believe i just found this channel, Great work guys
Thank you!
Can you do this in a corner with a offset ? Like shown in the boxes?
And can you make sutch a copper pipe by the egyptian standards technology used?
Thank you for these videos, there is an absolute need to show the depth of scholarship required to re-discover these ancient innovations probably of working people that did not make the ancient record. The deluge of ancient technologists claiming alien or pre-modern civilization is irritating & insulting to the cultures that created all these magnificent monuments worldwide at a huge human costs.
Thank you!
I really wish that those fantasizing alien involvement in Egyptian construction would study rigging and lapidary. Neither field shows technology that has changed greatly in thousands of years. Understanding how they built these structures, the monumental task of such a construction project and sheer logistics makes it all the more impressive. It took a lot of very skilled and dedicated people to build the pyramids and temples like luxor.
@@jason00121
Super cool video, putting it in practice.
Some question how do they know how to get the right chemicals, stone and practice. Is there any written method to this or just guess and experience ? Why choose granite and going to the effort. Why do many cultures around the world have the same technique when minerals and knowledge are not available or shared around the world at this time.
@@jason00121 probably would help if they consulted engineers, metalurgists, blacksmiths, etc. once in a while, lol.
Or hell, just got your average diy enthusiast to give it a go, lmao
You know that they is now evidence people like you cant dispute, like gobekli tepe around 9-12k years ago that there were a pre-modern civilizations with advanced technology but got wiped out back to the stone age propably by comet? Its insulting to the cultures to say that they were hunter gatherers, you can more clearly see it in recent Göbekli Tepe, start there with not arguable evidence then maybe think again about hunter gatherers building monuments we cant build.
Just very good .........for vertical boring !! But did you check if it work in horizontal boring ???
Great job on demonstrating granite drilling! I'd love to see a similar simple principle for creating the famous scoop marks found throughout ancient Egypt quarries and in many other parts of the world.
Adel Kelaney did an experiment on that using dolerite pounders compared to fire setting and then using dolerite pounders on the weakened granite surface.
Cast stone.
See the lectures of Joseph Davidovits on geopolymers
It does not explain the machining groove marks found inside the drill holes made by the Egyptians.
there are no such traces
@@ВсеславВсеволодович Watch UnchartedX videos, lots of recorded evidence of this. There are also drill holes that are flushed at the edge of a granite box which makes it impossible to apply this method.
@@bierdlll
Nope I had enough freaks known in Russia like the ukrainian fomenko with his "new chronology", Chudinov, the romanian florin kurta with his nonsense about how the Slavs were formed in the avar Khaganate or jewish pseudo-scientists. I don't need another one.
Things can be rotated and moved at different angles, all kinds of stones, minerals and metals can be processed, sawn, turned and so on. To do this, you do not need to invent things that do not exist and lie that this cannot be done.
@@ВсеславВсеволодович You don't have to invent anything. We just have to admit that we don't know. Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence, it does not mean that it does not exist. This is a logical fallacy that archaeologists make over and over again.
Denying the existence of spiral drill marks, unwillingness to study it more deeply, or simply saying that "it can be done with copper tools", is lying to ourselves.
Many ancient sites show evidence of advanced stone work sitting beside very primitive stone work. Archaeologists simply ignore this.
Only 5-10% of the Earth's surface has been investigated. How can archaeologists current models and timelines be remotely accurate in any way?
@@bierdlll
I don’t invent anything - we know how the Egyptians and other ancient people processed stone, you and this ucharted troll don’t know it. They used stone, copper, bronze and abrasive. Unless individual particulars can be discussed, but no more than that, the general meaning of how and what they did is clear to us.
Archaeologists are fine, unlike all kinds of crazy from the Internet, they know the topic they are studying very well.
It is undeniable that there are no spiral grooves and never have been, Petri lived in the 19th century and he was simply mistaken.
on the contrary, archaeologists say that it could and was made with a mixture of copper and abrasive, that is, the exact opposite of what you say
"Many ancient sites show evidence of advanced stone work sitting beside very primitive stone work." - Archaeologists do not ignore anything precisely because of them you just do know about the existence of what you are talking about. Give at least one example of advanced stone work
most of the planet is land under water and it is difficult to explore it, so what? there is nothing that we cannot explain, nothing that speaks of any nonsense like ancient civilizations, aliens and others, you wrote another garbage
Two supported pieces of wood with a circular hole between the joins, and placed horizontally two thirds up. The drill is then placed within the hole. As the operative rotates the cutting tool, the support keeps the tool straight and prevents the wobble issue… thus preventing a tapered plug/hole.
Yes, and there are some types of wood that are much more slippery and have been used in more modern ships, as the shaft bearings out in the wet areas.
I'm not sure what they had in Africa, but I'm sure there would be a type that can be a Lignum Vitea substitute.
One could also just lubricate a lesser quality wood.
Wooden machines have been around a long time.
Yeah but how do they get the circular hole between the joins? Obviously Aliens.
@@richtomlinson7090 and add sleeve to the handel that can spin freely to prevent the blisers or even set up rope belt and pully system linked to waterwheel and there you have full on power drill using only basic tech
So how do you drill sideways into a wall? Or a celiing? Gravity isn't your friend with the abrasive mud.
I was actually hoping you would use sound frequencies to agitate the grinding surface. Cool video though.
position your wall as you like with the lever
All the stories starting with the words "they couldn't..." means nothing more than "I can't"
So basicly the story that you are telling here about such 'stories' is that "They couldn't possibly be right to any degree!"? ... =p
@@LordLorenSoth so then your story is as if I've said what you'd like me to say to allow you to pretend to be smarter?
@@ravezoth1186 Calm down, crusader. I was just applying your own 'logic' to your own words.
@@LordLorenSoth just take it easy - I'm only trying to get what a type of 'logic' you mean and why it's absent in my messages while you're calling it 'my own'
@@ravezoth1186 heh - if you don't even understand your own posts then maybe you ought to stop posting
Appreciate your work very much, your quite correct people need proof in tangible forms, maybe because we are so devorced from manual labour for the most part.
well, that, and (I think) most people are visual learners anyhow.
There's still manual labor, only now days you just put the key in, start the engine and gun it and have a hole drilled in under 5 minutes at 20,000 RPMs
What is the wear rate of the copper tube? A problem I have with copper tools cutting granite theory is that it does not appear to be an economical use of copper, especially since the way it is used the copper is ground into unrecoverable powder mixed into the slurry. Also how do you propose that ancient egyptians fabricate long tubes? The one you are using is seamless waterpipe that is extruded in a factory. While it is possible to forge an ingot around a die, that die is usually made of steel, forging copper on copper is challenging as the die gets deformed. If tube drills are consumed in large quantity on a building project they must be easy to make which suggests it may be just a bent unjoined sheet but those cannot drill deep without flexing.
The abrasion rate is very high, that's why the self proclaimed "scientists against myths" conveniently ignore it.
The same rate as granite.
Why is the copper unrecoverable? Could you dry it and melt out the copper?
Are there any long cores surviving? What's the longest? I assumed they used a short tube on a wood pole and broke out the core regularly.
I think it would be interesting to compare the drill lines on your cores to the drill lines on the cores in egypt. You would need very fine measuring tools, but it would at least give us more insight if they were the same methods.
It's been done probably before you were born
@@pranays probably! I’d love to see the research or content comparing. I’d do it myself but ya know, costs a lot to travel to Egypt and with the appropriate tools 😂
@@pranays laser scanners were not available before we were born genius
The box on Elephantine island in Egypt has drill holes right up against the sides of the box. In fact its closed off at the top an the hole is surrounded on 2 sides. No way this works there.
@@MJIZZEL those holes are surrounded on 2 sides yes, meaning you have 2 free sides for attachment of you pully device (bow, stick etc.) to a spindle drilling a hole. You dont have to have full circular motion as in this video. You can drill holes only going thru one ( up - down, left - right ) or 2 axis ( half circle).
The real question is how they made the copper pipe.
Casting? Investment casting?
When the builders leave diagrams, two scientists demonstrate that the technique works and there is physical evidence in the form of cores lying about and sites and you still insist it is "unexplained" you're obviously not going to accept any rational explanation.
So how do you explain it?
I haven't watched all of it, I skipped to around 9:30 and it's actually a brilliant way to drill without motorized machines. Then you explained why you do these videos and hearing this, I now understand why you are extremely dismissive against any doubt of our historical understanding. Ancient aliens is absolute bullshit and saying that there is a big conspiracy which try to conceal the "truth"(TM) is stupid, but please, don't lose your ability to differentiate and don't put people like Graham Hancock or Ben from UnchartedX into the same box.
Anyway, thank you for this experiment, thank you for translating and thank you for your hard work.
Oh gawd that crystal skull bull shit kills me. As a stoner I cannot tell you how many times I’ve had to pump the brakes on these kind of debates about how such precision was achieved in ancient times.
"of our historical understanding" - what is this "your historical understanding"?
"don't put people like Graham Hancock or Ben from UnchartedX into the same box" - why ? they are both western, both are liars, freaks and both are talking nonsense. Same.
Ok after seeing this i am NOT on the ancient astronaut theorist anymore. Cause all the ancient drill holes had my mind boggled an i firmly believed aliens or a advanced civilizations drilled them. But not anymore. Now i can see how it was really made... Amazing. Thank u for opening my eyes to the truth.
holy wow Im so happy you said this I needed to see someone change their minds, I'm way too used to incredibly stubborn ppl who present arguments but don't change their minds when they are debunked
Im not an ancient astronaut theorist, but i do work in construction and i can tell you that this hasnt proved or debunked anything, except possibly for debunking themselves, let me explain:
The drill holes in Egypt have clear markings/grooves on them that show that it must have been done by some type of machine. We know this because from these markings/grooves we can obtain how fast the drill bit was rotating as it went through the stone and it is incredibly faster than anything a human can do by hand by orders of magnitude.
They way they try to explain it off in this video by talking about the pitch of the markings is completely inaccurate and also ourtright false, with regards to both, the markings of pitch they claim to have, as well as, the markings seen in egypt.
For argument sake, say the stone they were drilling in this vid was 20cm (thats being very generous) and they claim to have obtained markings with a pitch of 1-2mm obtained with each rotation, they would only need to rotate it 100 - 200 times to get all the way through.
They obviously didnt achieve results even remotely similar to those in egypt otherwise they would have clearly shown it to us, not only because the markings wouldnt even be comparable, but because they clearly didnt cut through it at 1-2mm with every rotation.
Sorry for the essay, but hopefully this makes you do some more research into this so you can understand and see it for yourself.
@@zchettaz That comment was a year old.. My mind was changed then, but im back to believeing they had some ancient machines because there is way too much evidence pointing to that fact... Its ok you wrote an essay.. I love to read..
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Hahah, my bad, i didnt look at how long ago it was posted, it was like the 4th or 5th comment down from the top.
Glad to hear you continued to do more research about it.
Although, knowing that it was done with some type of machine, raises alot more questions than answers, such as:
- where are these machines?
- how did they power them?
- how is it even possible to have such advanced machines, that use a circular rotation, but didnt think to use it to invent the wheel?
Been stuck on these for a while with my research - there are a couple of ideas floating around that try to answer parts of these, but they're very unlikely and just creates even more confusion.
@@zchettaz I agree. the more research done into this subject that the more confusion it causes. Maybe they were Beyond making the wheel. or they made it but found no use for it. Who knows and im not as smart as you are. I can tell your pretty smart by bhow you write.. But i Love this subject and love researching things other people deem "pseudo science"
These guys are phenomenal! Very cool work, and thank you for dubbing in English! I would learn Russian just to watch their videos though
Yet the drill marks in the holes show it advanced at least 1mm per revolution..... Copper doesn't cut granite 1 mm per turn... Also that sand I don't think you could get in the Egyptian desert over 5k years ago.....
Myths Against Scientists .. you need to swap the words around ....
How were copper pipes made back then? And can you make a video, about how you make such a copper tube?
Copper can't be used, it abrades too fast for large scale drilling. People will believe anything these days, judging by the comments.
@@methylene5The use of copper alloy tools is not a debate. Copper and abrasive residue long ago found in saw cuts and bore holes.
@@Eyes_Open You've missed the point entirely. Only the later Egyptians used copper, since the original tech that cut and machined the millions of tonnes of Aswan granite were long gone. It's not a debate, except in the minds of those who have no clue about the sheer logistics of using copper to cut and shape such a quantity of hard igneous rock and softer rocks also.
Just because they found some holes that had copper residues, doesn't just automatically mean that's how all the buildings, statues, pyramids and holes were all cut with throughout the entirety of ancient Egypt. Leave science to the professionals.
@@methylene5 You have made a correct statement about leaving science to the professionals. Your mysterious claims about lost tech are the definition of anti-science.
@@Eyes_Open Professionals don't lack the ability to say "we don't know", only fools cherry pick information and think they have everything figured out because they lack the ability to understand the sheer complexity of situations. Your thinking is the epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
There's nothing mysterious about lost technology, because the evidence for it is overwhelming, in fact most ancient archeology is based on assumptions and circumstantial evidence rather than direct evidence as so much is lost to time, and much of it is by definition "lost technology". You probably hear that and think "alien technology". SMH.
Like I said, just leave the science to the professionals.
We've known for a long time that copper tubes can drill through granite using sand it's the 1/8 mm striations that are continuous through cores that show that it was made with the single spinning drill bit like without stopping. If people think it hasn't been tried and match to the striations that's just laughable
Of course: ua-cam.com/video/HQi4yql7Ysg/v-deo.html
Thanks for the effort and dedication to understanding the past. The only question remaining here concerns the smoothness of your cuts conpared to the obvious striations on Egyptian core drill holes. Search for pictures of ancient holes and notice the spiral lines, clear evidence of the feed rate of whatever drill was being employed. Why did it take 40 minutes to cut such a shallow and smoothe core when endless photos from Egypt show what must have been a cutting tool with a feed rate of 1mm/rotation, or whatever it turns out to be? Seek truth and be humble.
About the spiral lines: ua-cam.com/video/HQi4yql7Ysg/v-deo.html
Seek truth and be humble.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths I really appreciate the link to those videos with Olga, thanks. This experimental way of challenging the alternative hypotheses about ancient stonework is very interesting. It's amazing what can be done. I'm still confused though - what about the circular saw cuts in hard stone, and the size of those circular saws, and the box in the Cairo museum that is unfinished seeminly because of a slip in the sawing. If one of these pieces of stonework could be discarded because of an entire foot of skewed sawing, how fast was the tool moving?
@UnchartedX would not be happy finding this after all his videos about machines used in ancient Egypt.
How about Puma Pumku straight smooth cutting stone? ...also on India, a smooth stone pillars with sopisticated carving ....almost like melting a stone in a cast!
I love the way you guys demonstrate how the Egyptians DID drills holes. I have known this for some time. But I would have liked to have seen a close up of the core that you drilled, and if you compared the measurements of the continuous spiral to 'Core 7' that is on display in the Petrie Museum. Sorry, but the demonstration was faultless, but sitting there using the shaft of a calliper and just reading it out doesn't prove anything. I personally can't see how spinning the drill fast and continuously for a couple of days, can lead to one deep spiral groove. Chris Dunn demonstrated this easily by just using a length of cotton. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I believe there are two kinds of drill holes in ancient Egypt.
You can say it, he's flat out wrong.
@@methylene5 all I know is no matter which way I search for it, I cannot find any information on ancient copper tubes, just chisels and saws. 🤷♂️
@@HomeDefender30 This SAM channel is a parody for the weak minded and poorly informed, there is no actual science there. Copper was a very expensive utility in the late bronze age, and the waste of abraded copper would be tremendous even when using abrasives to cut granite. However, such methods may well have been used by the later Egyptians to cut softer rocks such as limestone, sandstone, alabaster, etc. The people who lack the ability to simply say "we don't know" in the face of overwhelming evidence, are by definition, fools. There's a good reason why despite the many attempts, no on has succeeded in accurately reproducing the granite statues or rocks using copper saws, sand and water.
@@HomeDefender30 You should read the paper that’s referenced in the description of the video, something like “ The principles of free abrasive tubular drilling “. Give it a quick read.
Tube drills with gemstone set in the tube should do the trick, coupled with some sand to set the indention, it should be fairly easy to do.
Polish could be achieved with a rudimentary form of sanding achieved by attaching sand or gravel to straps of cloth or leather with pitch or saps.
Fairplay and all that. But try this a on huge scale and u realise it would take millions of man hours
What do you mean by a huge scale?
Scientists Against Myths megalithic structures things on a huge scale. Not taking anything away from you do but it’s seems long winded doing that on a massive scale would take a hundred lifetimes
Also there’s the moving of these 100 ton ++ stones and also moving them in very tight spaces and also the lighting that would have to use to work these stones in very dark places as it isn’t a candle or fire as fire would cause a lot more issues
@@number1son This experiment demonstrates only granite drilling. There are very few such holes. A drilling experiment is NOT an experiment for moving heavy stones. I hope you understand that.
Ofcourse I do but you are also saying that there is no possibility of missing advanced technology in ur videos unless the person narrating is not translating what ur saying correctly
Excellent, this does a better job of explaining this than some high budget documentaries I have seen on this subject, keep up the good work!
Thank you!
How did they make perfectly round copper tubes??
those amazing caucasians, so advaced they have to claim aliens, instead of caucasians..? i hear that they can fly now...?
Thank you for demonstrating some real science!
The ancient egyptians had pure hardcore quartz based sand which as been proven. The more abrasive the sand the quicker the cut. Great video guys.
Diamonds.
Ah yes, ancient Egyptian plywood.
Core 7 has One continuing line around it's not 2. . It took 1600 RPM . And 2000lb of Downward pressure. This would have been drilled out very quickly. In this video these guys are taking a very long time just to put a scratch. Egyptology is wrong except you're wrong .
How do you explain the spiral grooves in the Egyptian drill holes? Surely drilling with this method would leave horizontal grooves drilling at such a slow rate. In fact isn't that what they've found?
The myth of ideal spiral grooves has been debunked ua-cam.com/video/HQi4yql7Ysg/v-deo.html
An excellent demonstration of how this was done with, ingenuity, simple tools and muscle power.
The proof of the technique is that the holes and the cores match perfectly those found at the construction sites.
Not perfectly which is my issue, the existing drill holes have spiral striations all around, whereas when we try to replicate this process with primitive tools there are no striations, let alone spiral ones.. That's the odd difference..
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Another difference that exists is that there are drill holes deep into stone, not on a thin slab like their example.. Now how would you cut out a tube out of that hole without it reaching the other side?
You can't unless the tool you are using destroys all the stone inside the diameter of the hole
Did you really watch the video?
The holes looked pretty "perfect" to me. They replicated the technique as shown in the drawings left by the people who observed the method themselves.
They also showed how the cores were knocked out of the holes and lots of these discarded cores have been found all over the building sites.
What more proof do you need?
I didn't mean that by perfect..
Sure it is a perfect tube shaped hole. @@eckyhen
Show me the spiral striations because on the closeups i didn't see any?
The original drill holes were done by a different method entirely, clearly something less labour intensive because we can measure the pace at which it was cut with those striations.
You say they showed how those cores were knocked out.. It's not impossible to knock out a drill core from a small block of granite. What is difficult to knock out the core without reaching the other end of that hole.
Yet there are examples of exactly that..
I saw drill holes that go deep into stone but dont reach the other end, then the ancient people centuries later used those drill holes as a weakness in stone and cut the blocks in half through the hole to reuse the stone
@@erook2019You are correct that the example does not contain continuous spirals. That makes it identical to the ancient examples, which also do not have continuous spirals.
The documented example would be Core Drill discovered by flinders Petrie
It's a funny story with that one because it is known to have spiral striations but people reporting on the matter made sure to tamper with the image to make it seem like they are horizontal instead.
Idk about spiral but i know most if not all drill holes in egypt are shown to have striations, which is something you wont get by spinning copper..
Infact I'm not too sure but i dont bbelieve you will get striations at all unless they come at an angle.. Or spiral
@@Eyes_Open
edit: Type 'Core drill seventh of petrie' for a better look of those striations into granite
Wonderful work! But there was one important thing you forgot to talk about, perhaps the most important thing in ancient Egyptian drilling: 3 white Adidas stripes across your shoes 😎
addidas has nothing to do with Russia and we don't like it
Maybe you will offer them to dress in traditional Russian clothes made of linen
Your video hasn't proven anything, on the contrary. You want to prove that the Great pyramid was built only 4500 years ago, then just build one, using the same tools.
So he uses a modern made copper pipe held attached to wood with modern made clamps. Holding down the wood with modern clamps. Using advanced concepts to to grind. 2 days to only go THAT far ... lol
I can't wait for them to show us how laser deep cuts into giant Slabs were done... ;D
Not just that. There is a massive slab with a deep thin blade cut that was abandoned after they were off course. But the off course mistake was so far, how could they have not noticed if they were grinding so slow? lol They went the wrong direction that long before noticing or making corrections? lol
Hello, I know there is no evidence of something like this but I am just curious, is it possible they would be able to build stationary drilling or cutting stations out of wood copper and bronze and then used an external power source to operate them? Like animal power to turn the drill around a stationary shaft, or hydro power to operate the saws in a reciprocating fashion or even maybe a circular saw? I am just using my imagination but I would love to hear your thoughts.
I'm thinking about the same thing, because wooden machines with animal power or water power have a long history.
How much did the end of the pipe wear down lenghtwise? I was surprised at how little the thickness changed. Great demonstration!!
Great experiment, I have no doubt the ancient Egyptians were making the same sort of drill holes
Thank you!
Why are there striations on all Egyptian tube drill holes, whereas holes bored by copper with sand abrasive does not ever make clear striations? You can trace one continuous striation on Egyptian tube drill holes, exactly the same tool marks appear when you push a modern drill through wood or concrete. This requires a very hard cutting edge if you’re creating these tooling marks on concrete. Really, please answer me, it boggles my mind how would-be debunkers ignore this. Or how about the fact that when using a copper tube drill with abrasive, the copper is worn down at a comparable rate to the granite , and in some experiments the copper wears down faster than the granite. If Egyptians were boring holes with copper tube drills, there would be copper dust fucking everrrrywhere, which would stain the granite and even thousands of years later the evidence of large amounts of copper dust ground into thousands of holes all over Egypt would be a common sign, it would be common knowledge that copper dust shows up everywhere. But there’s no evidence of copper dust, and no copper tube drill has ever produced spiral striations as appear on all egyptian tuve drill holes and their respective cores.
Have you ever built anything? I did concrete form work for six years. You sound like a close minded academic who has zero experience working with power tools, hard stone, concrete etc…. Your experiment doesn’t prove your thesis whatsoever
You managed to get all your facts wrong. The reason for this is that you read claims from others and believed them.
@@Eyes_Open what is your point? Make a point. For example, I made a point about the continuous striations made by a very hard cutting edge being pushed through any medium, the marks made by a drill. The striations made by a drill do not at all resemble the marks made by an abrasive wearing into stone. If you’re gonna tell me I’m wrong, say how. Or say how you’re right.
@@ferguswatt2884 There is no continuous spiral. That is a scam claim by grifters. Don't do their work for them. Experimental results do produce the striations dependent on abrasive type, slurry mix ratio (if not a direct dry abrasive) and rate of application of the abrasive.
We always underestimate the common man. It's easier to believe in some "superman"!
Nice work! Has the effect of adding water and new abrasive from the inside of the tube been tested? This would obviously require an access hole somewhere up the tube, but it would also wash these cut clean whenever you added water. It would probably affect the finish :)
Hi, thanks for this. I think the idea of using clay/sand is convincing. As an Egyptian, I have seen this idea still being applied in some local areas for different purposes.
However, This is convincing in case you prove that the ancient Egyptians made "tubes" of cupper. How the ancient forge/extrude tubes of copper? Today, this needs an extrusion machine. Also, how to accurately maintain the outer/inner diameters of the copper tube?
Cheers (y)
What? Extrusion machine?? Forge a piece of copper into a sheet and wrap it around the stick. To read: antropogenez.ru/drilling/
Flat copper hammered sheet wrapped around a cylinder shape, not necessary to joint it. Just a inset holder at top.
easy - copper is such a fusible material that it can be smelted even on an ordinary fire without a forge, in order to create a pipe you only need some kind of straight planed piece of wood or a clay mold, all this can be done by hand. The processing of the bones of various animals by the Paleolithic Cro-Magnons is a much more complex thing and they easily coped with it.
Very impressive work! Well done! I have but one question: What was the chisel made out of that the core was popped out with?
Anything would work, even wood or bone or of course copper.
Element 115, naturally.
That's the part the aliens helped the ancients with.
Chris Dunn claimed that copper simply bent and that he had to resort to metal to break the core. Knowing this would be an objection, why did you not use bone or wood since you claim it works as easily?
@@mikef6063 1) copper is a metal.
2) you guys stake yourselves to the dumbest hills to die on. If he uses a bone wedge, will you get on here and admit the truth, or slink away still claiming goofy alien tech BS?
Stone does well under compression, not so well under expansion. Popping a stone core out with any material wedge ain't a mystery dude.
@@stripeytawney822 First of all, I didnt make any claims about aliens etc. I didnt say what I believed, if anything. Secondly, if its easy that's fine I want to see it.
I don't know how they did it but with the copper tube drills which was probably more like brass. Either way I've never seen the heat this would produce and the affects on the tool also not just the length wear on the tool but the wear on the inside and outside of the tool. Well they had multiple tools, but I bet they didn't have 2 with the same wear and this would put the hole out of alignment pretty quick no matter how often they switched out drills. It would be a task to drill a few inches and who knows how many times they would have to switch bits out. There's no doubt they drilled but they had some alloy they made that would last a lot longer than brass. They had to have.
Show me how you drill a hole that is adjacent to two 90degrees in a box with this technique and i might consider this non bullshit.
What's funny is these are basically the same principles behind using cutting oil and/or abrasive edged sawblades/ abrasive tipped drillbits today. People have a hard time understanding that much modern technology is really just the result of slow refinement of older technologies over time.
To be fair, though, the ancient Egyptians probably looked down on their predecessors in the same way that our successors will no doubt look down on us 1000 years from now.
Also, let's be real, people really want to believe there's something magical in the world, even if it's just aliens, which I'm sure exist, but I've yet to see any direct evidence they visited us, lol
The difference is, them Bore saws have GASOLINE ENGINES. you start it up, rev it and you're done in a few minutes. no one alive today or in the last 10 generations knows the concept of slave labor or working your ass off sun up to sun down with no mechanization.
@@Jack29151 yep.
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"people really want to believe there's something magical in the world" I dont
@@ВсеславВсеволодович that's fair. I tend to think of magic as a metaphor for something miraculous. wondrous, or simply amazing when you stop to think about it for a moment.
An example: making bread. In reality making bread is simply the application of various scientific (specifically chemical and sometimes biological) processes to produce a durable, calorie-dense, often tasty foodstuff, but that process is still impressive, and results in a product that in almost no way resembles the materials used to create it. That transmutation is magical to me, in spite of understanding that it's basic food science and could probably be explained by your average highschool chemistry teacher pretty easily. Knowing it's perfectly rational doesn't take away from the "magic" of it for me. It merely enhances it.
Great videos guys! One question though… how did the Egyptians make those copper tubes? Can you make a video showing us exactly how you made the tube shown here? Cheers!!
Thank you!
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@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Thanks so much for the link sir. Much appreciated 🥰
@@zaharib wellcome!
So how did they carve all the massive perfect statues and 40 thousand of perfect bowls, I read I know things stop being so patronising 😂
What, specifically, have you read on the topic?
@@davidmurphy563 Precision engineer, Chris Dunn's book "Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt: Advanced Engineering in the Temples of the Pharaohs" would be a great place to start. Here is an interview with Chris to watch while amazon delivers your new book ;) ua-cam.com/video/KFuf-gBuuno/v-deo.html
easy and nothing perfect about it