Very nice of Jason to share his knowledge. Any time you are turning you can think that you are on the arc of a circle with a certain radius. A constant radius turn can be taken with a constant radius (it takes a moment to get from straight up to all the way over and back again at the exit). The fashion in racing is to trail brake in and accelerate out of the turn. The radius of your arc may be changing the whole way through the turn. This works well with the traction circle. You can use 70% of you braking (or accelerating) force at the same time as 70% of your cornering (centrifugal) force. Long turns, you may be a maximum lean angle and constant speed for a bit. The point where your radius is smallest is likely the slowest point of the turn. Identifying your point of minimum radius is a useful marker. This is well before the apex if you are accelerating out hard. There are many factors that affect turns. Radius (of the corner changing), camber, elevation (uphill, downhill, crest of hill), traction and combination of turns to name a few. So, there is no "this always works" rule. That makes it fun.
“70 percent of the time ….. let it do what it wants to do and guide it…..”. Soooo amazingly true. I’ve commented before. Having raced slow cars and bike and moving to faster including 911’s. It’s a dance. Not between you and others all the time. But between you and your partner ALL the time. String theory. Love it !
Or full rains. I’ve always thought that’s one of the greatest ways to learn to drift / drive out of turns. On a full wet tire in the dry. Expensive but educational . And fun
First ever ever trackday on a CBR 929, I was slamming breaks and wacking the gas... yep big high side and my butt was up flying in the air and some miracle I did not crash. Of course I later I was told "Dude...SMOOTH ... smooth. Chill out !" Story brought back memories... super sweet you got to interview such a high level rider!!!
What the heck? How did I find this video? This is gold. Thank you for sharing this to the world and put it into simple words even I could understand. 👍
I met this guy and his mother Debbie at Knockhill BSB in 2013. He was just a little boy then! Doing 125 class. Rob Swafford asked me to go by and meet him as he was over in UK doing that season. He was a nice young lad. Good to see he’s kept that good nature as he’s grown up and he eventually got some good rides!
Great video! I used to race and was not analytical enough with myself - now I am older and do track days and I find I can concentrate, adapt and learn stuff I wish I could have done years ago !! There is a track I know well I wanted to drop below 1:40 and found it really tough, but I changed my style to concentrate on 2 things = to get the maximum out of the straights by dividing the track into sections and concentrating on the corners before the straights, and getting on the gas …. To get on the gas in a smooth progressive way where I would drive continuously on to full gas - don’t touch the throttle until you know you can drive or you push yourself wide or have to adjust/ throttle off, after half a day I went from a 1:41 to a 1:38. Sometimes old dogs can learn new tricks ! Keep them coming 👍👍
Im an old dog too, and haven’t been on a track for 15 years, I must experience it one more time before I get too old. It’s one of the best feelings ever. These videos make it very tempting even though I’m 69. Cheers😊
This is why i expect when I watch motorcycle content on UA-cam. Mind blowingly informational and also makes me reflect on my practices till now. I have only done a track session once and 99% ride on the street in India, where corners are the most unpredictable as any dumbass from the opposite direction can hit you unexpectedly. But being calm when taking that corner due to all the mind prep done with those 100 decisions along with a much more manueverable motorcycle, I see myself being at the safest possible risk. A risk that is fun yet adrenaline rushed, where you just don't panic and just admire that sweet spot. Teaches you about life too. When life throws a curve, chill out and just go with the flow, than make one impulse decision that makes you high side and crash. If unfortunate, fatally. Kudos!
Wow, I like your style. The first 7 mins really helped me understand the significance of the minute details of what you saw. Being somebody who doesn't have track or racing experience, that is a very important prelude to the meat of the subject.
Wow what a great video!! I could listen to pro riders all day long, this guy is so descriptive. I've been a road rider for near 44 years and consider I know how to ride but I love taking on board info like this. Thank you👍
Thanks very insightful. This also highlights the importance of having a good position and not putting weight on the inside handlebars especially on the right handers.
Great lesson. Thanks a ton! I've always instinctively been drawn to this because I got into motorcycles late in life, and I really like my life. So my purpose was to minimise risk and I didn't really want to be the fastest guy in the group anyway. And I found that this gradual roll on of the throttle, while feeling for that rear just gripping, hooking gradually was not only smooth (and I could run a slightly softer setup 😅) but was also very stable and calming. And for my adhd brain, I love the amount of hits my brain gets from all that throttle micro management. I was always convinced "you know, I'm slower but I'm happier here". Turns out, the fast guys also do this. So thanks! For the validation 😅 have a great day
Actually smoothly is only part of the lesson I tried to get across. Keeping the throttle ahead of your traction, all the way through your exit - which takes a hundred decisions and adjustments throughout every foot of every drive - THAT was the lesson that took me two days of filming and editing to apparently not say well enough. Maybe next time.
It isn’t about the what but the how. Need more $$ for trackdays isn’t the lesson. The lesson is “how” we accomplish the “what”. The homework isn’t to be rich, but how to be rich(er). Thanks Gogo for the “how” you shared with me.
Car drivers call what he does "late apex". It's valuable mostly because it affords you further options down the track, and THAT can shave seconds off your lap times.
Really enjoyed your detailed explanation. Just a humble suggestion for a new video. Would you kindly drill down to your 100 decisions during a turn to get into THAT part in more detail? I specifically would like to hear how you feel your traction catching up to the few percent of acceleration AND if you accelerate more than what you wanted, how do you feel that and THEN how much you dial it down and how to feel that as well. Should be very interesting to hear. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Smoothest rider I’ve ever seen is Troy Corser, and my must favourite rider of all time . But us Aussies have to stick together, and thanks for the advice .
New sub here! So happy to have found your channel as I just purchased a 2020 1290R and want to be able become a better rider. Thanks you for sharing your knowledge with the world.
Pushing with feet for traction or cornering pushing at the right angle (45 deg)inside foot . Foot work is huge 2 wheels 3 wheels 4 wheels, snowmobile same concept . Hard to explain but you learn that at a young age and don't ever think about it you just do it
You never name yourself after the first bike you get a woody over😅🤣😂. You gotta rename yourself each subsequent bike you get. Seriously though, great content!👍
I enjoy smaller bikes too but personally I'm not so confident about that motor. I've heard about some problems in the head. The 1290 is more proven. I worked super hard at developing some simple chassis upgrade parts that help make the 1290 (and now 1290) more manageable. Easier to turn, easier to drive out, basically more fun. That's been my experience and it's what most of my customers tell me too. A magazine asked me to take a 1290 for a weekend so I could ride it on the street and write an article about it the following Monday. I gave the bike back to them after two days with 600 more miles on the odometer. That's how enjoyable the 1290 Superduke is to ride.
@@Massacheefa hasn’t the 890 had head issues? I know some people who have, something about cam wear - which KTM warranties but it’s still a pain. I beat the gel out of my 1290s and they take it well
subscribed !! Great video - you'd make a good coach! I really liked your analysis of what Jason said to you, but more pertinently, how you interpreted it and made your own experience of it. 👍
100% agree. For me understanding a lesson is only the first step of learning. Digesting it, interpreting it, and using your own version of it - those are what learning is really about
Thought Experiments: 1. You are standing at the bottom of a steep dirt hill. When climbing it in your rain boots, you don't use all leg power. You slowly apply pressure until you feel it slip, then use constant pressure. 2. Same hill, now you're on your dirt bike. You don't just pin it, you slowly apply throttle for maximum traction. 3. Now there is a chicane up the hill, you slowly apply throttle, but when turning, you need to remove some throttle as you don't have as much traction. When the bike gets straighter, you slowly apply the throttle again. Now. Head to your local MX track and study one turn. If you want the fast guys, you will see they are on the throttle way earlier than the slower guys. James Stewert was known to get on the throttle very early. Next. Beg or borrow a smaller bike and head to the local kart track. Watch when the guys get on the throttle for turn one. Get a piece of chalk and mark it. Now you go ride that turn and see how you compare. This is what American Flat Tracking is all about. Anyone can just pin the throttle. It's working with the bike to get smooth traction and acceleration as early as possible.
Ex racer , it's the same no matter what your racing. Feed what it will take. Smooth is fast. Always common sense to me , I can't remember not knowing that
You were talking about the race from 2023 correct? I may have photos of you and I hope to be there this year if your gonna be there my friend races for RSD on the hooligan series
Super video though, helps me a lot I know it's one thing that even tho I am training doing circles & exercises with pitbikes every week I still struggle a bit to input that on my R7 Cup bike
Here's a tip from the netherworld that you might like. Aaron Yates used to train just like that, on little bikes doing circles practicing drifting the rear. The little known tip is he used to use a tie-down strap to synch his swingarm all the way compressed, so it wouldn't snap out and hi-side him when traction broke loose... You did not hear this from me though. :-)
It's interesting because Jason almost seems to espouse the opposite of trail braking, as far as I understand it. He's talking about accelerating, even if slightly, before the apex.
I think no style at a higher level is right or wrong.... Marc Marquez likes to challenge the bike in his terms and find its limit.... Jorge lorenzo, Fabio Quartararao, Alex rins on the other hand, are the smoothest. They like to flow with the natural charecter and potential of the bike. Marc is rough. That's why he crashes so much. His strength and weakness are the same.
Right that's my mind made up.. next track day I'm putting the bike in Rain mode 😂 Great video Eric and it must feel really good not to have to fight the bike out of corners now... less He-Man, more Zzzz-Man!
Can you make detail video about counter steering ? I know all the theory, watched all videos, read a lot of books, try it on the track, but it actually works for me only when on highway with very high speeds. When try counter steering on the track, even few mm push on handlebars make me oversteer. Too low speed, maybe or something else. Will appreciate highly any help
OMG SDR launch control... Have you ever actually tried to launch with it? Pole position to last place, faster than you can say "What the f just happened?"
Yes we do. All two of the folks in this video have both launch control and traction control. Yet still we have this conversation and these discoveries. Launch control is a very effective way to go from pole-to-9th in the first 100yds of a race. It is extremely lame in comparison to what we can achieve manually. And traction control, at least the traction control that "we all have" is not as fast or as smooth by itself, as it is when you use finesse along with it. That's why the video. Thanks for commenting, I hope this helps.
@uked33 Very easy to install Bazzaz TC DIAL ADJUSTABLE which is developed on the RT for the track which I use on Fireblade and comes with Quick shifter. I have 2nd fasting time for privateer on BIC AND 6TH At LIC
I manage this concept using the idea of ‘maintenance throttle’ during turns… feeling your rear wheel’s traction telling you how much more juice you can give it as you go through the apex
Well, “I got boring but fast” might not be the best slogan but I can totally relate to what you try to say 🤓. Even with todays electronics mastering throttle control is the key to go fast AND safe. I had the pleasure to do some one on one coaching with Eric Bostrom. Following Eric gave me similar insights - no matter how hard I tried I could never mimic his drive out of corners and while I had near-death experiences trying he looked like he leisurely rides to a coffee shop.
Awesome stuff like always mate. I've always been an aggressive to say the least rider but I will try to master this wizardry as I get ready for my first sidecar race in April when my dad hands the reigns over to his Australian championship winning Vincent Sidecar outfit. Decent size shoes to fill but I can't wait! I've been dreaming of this since I was a little fella sitting on it and pretending to be as cool as dad haha. Thanks for all your time and effort it must take to make these videos for us, they have all been so helpful for me, really appreciate it mate!
FWIW. I think you have struck gold in the right balance of "character & content" with this video. Great first person experience advice, mixed with technical and explanation. I don't feel your other video's had this kind of balance (TBH some of the war stories detract from the information you're delivering), and you've really done well to refine the product and deliver a great video.
Something to consider or a different explanation that I learned from a riding school - that 1-10% of throttle is a "maintenance input" where you're not accelerating or decelerating. To overcome the engine braking. Use it to point or settle the bike before rolling further/accelerate. Great content!
So does that mean that it may actually be like 20% throttle, but is realistically only 1 or 2% difference?? Like relative to your current speed you input a couple percentages?? Idk if I worded that very well
Hopefully you've accounted for engine breaking and you're in the correct gear before settling into the turn, or you've got trouble. What he's doing is re-thinking accelerating out of the turn, not at the last second with full-on throttle, but coming on earlier for a smoother more controlled and faster approach to the coming straight. Thinking ahead on a superbike takes some serious balls, talent and skill. I'm not at that level for sure. But I'm pretty damn good.
That's true... depending on speed mid corner and tyre size etc etc my data usto show at 25%-30% throttle in some corners whilst at lean we were barely maintaining constant speed. Once I started to notice this and learn the new limits I dropped 2 seconds in races
how have I just found this channel. I did 6 track days and I always thought you were supposed to wait - for example - halfway through a hairpin before getting on throttle. And then I started heavy braking all the way to turn in point, COASTING until I felt the bike was about to FALL over, then get on the gas and hope I had a good line to get me through the corner. I would push the bike into the ground because I would have to get on throttle and just could not find speed. Yesterday my instructor told me to gas right after trakling brake - tip in a 1%, 2%... so slow. revolutionary.
So I have a question about your traction vs throttle explanation: If the rear end steps out, then would you have less traction or can you still lead the traction with the throttle while the rear is stepped out? Sorry if that question is worded weirdly by the way
In my experience, relating to this subject, it's all about letting the rear "step out" but just fractionally. So it's never an emergency, its never way out of line. Rather than making one big decision when to accelerate, you make many little decisions to accelerate - one right after another, and again, and again - in rapid succession. It's annoying to do right. Kind of like lifting on the forward pedal when you ride a bicycle with clips. It's SO MUCH better and faster, but until it comes naturally you have to constantly remind yourself to do it. Well accelerating is exactly like that. Constantly making decisions about adding throttle, one tiny bit at a time - keeping your throttle JUST ahead of your traction. That's been the difference maker for me
Awesome content . Turn 11 at LagunaSeca .. it’s been on my mind since last year at my first motoamerica superhooligan race . Processing so many things as a rookie rider at my first time at LagunaSeca the one big take away was is if I drift through turn 11 i would be faster. To this day I run it through my head how I would handle that turn and boom your video pops up( I love are your vids )and reaffirms my thoughts . Thanks for the great content
Excellent video and nice of him to be open and share. It sounds like riding with some mechanical sympathy - working with the bike instead of trying to force it and getting in its way. It’s less stressful on the bike and the rider. Good stuff! 👍
Thanks for making these informative videos, man. I have been karting for a few years and I can relate to a lot about over-driving compared to being smooth and fast. Hopefully I can figure it out on a real fast racing machine when I get on track. I imagine that everything is more touchy the faster your machine is.
It’s always been that way. The fastest guys are the smoothest guys. They make it look so controlled and easy. Can’t say I’m a track wizard, but there are those laps where everything flows together and the lap is not only faster but so easy. Most my experience is on dirt, hard packed slippery dirt. The right amount of throttle let’s the bike hook up, too much and your just spinning up the rear tire an going nowhere.
It's the little things that make the biggest differences at speed, right? Funny how everyone searches for big easy answers to speed but it's never one big easy answer. It's a thousand little ones
Nothing mean about it. You might be surprised how few ride this consciously though, which is why the video seems helpful to some. Even Jayson and myself. It is easy and it is common to lose touch with the simplest of understandings, to the madness of adrenalin and desperation to go faster
Very nice of Jason to share his knowledge. Any time you are turning you can think that you are on the arc of a circle with a certain radius. A constant radius turn can be taken with a constant radius (it takes a moment to get from straight up to all the way over and back again at the exit). The fashion in racing is to trail brake in and accelerate out of the turn. The radius of your arc may be changing the whole way through the turn. This works well with the traction circle. You can use 70% of you braking (or accelerating) force at the same time as 70% of your cornering (centrifugal) force. Long turns, you may be a maximum lean angle and constant speed for a bit. The point where your radius is smallest is likely the slowest point of the turn. Identifying your point of minimum radius is a useful marker. This is well before the apex if you are accelerating out hard. There are many factors that affect turns. Radius (of the corner changing), camber, elevation (uphill, downhill, crest of hill), traction and combination of turns to name a few. So, there is no "this always works" rule. That makes it fun.
“70 percent of the time ….. let it do what it wants to do and guide it…..”. Soooo amazingly true. I’ve commented before. Having raced slow cars and bike and moving to faster including 911’s. It’s a dance. Not between you and others all the time. But between you and your partner ALL the time.
String theory. Love it !
Run a hard endurance tire instead of going with the stickiest tire to learn how to apply throttle out of turns. Great video!
Or full rains. I’ve always thought that’s one of the greatest ways to learn to drift / drive out of turns. On a full wet tire in the dry. Expensive but educational . And fun
Not bad advice.
First ever ever trackday on a CBR 929, I was slamming breaks and wacking the gas... yep big high side and my butt was up flying in the air and some miracle I did not crash. Of course I later I was told "Dude...SMOOTH ... smooth. Chill out !"
Story brought back memories... super sweet you got to interview such a high level rider!!!
Been there done that my friend. Glad yours worked out better than mine
Thank you very much both of you. 64 and still learning!
What the heck? How did I find this video? This is gold. Thank you for sharing this to the world and put it into simple words even I could understand. 👍
Awesome. I'm happy you got something out of my ramblings.. :)
I can listen to your advice for hours, wish I could have you as an instructor. Thank you for your these videos!
P. S. I want to get Boring!!!
You are so welcome
hahaha!
I met this guy and his mother Debbie at Knockhill BSB in 2013. He was just a little boy then! Doing 125 class. Rob Swafford asked me to go by and meet him as he was over in UK doing that season. He was a nice young lad. Good to see he’s kept that good nature as he’s grown up and he eventually got some good rides!
Good dude for sure
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
Great video! I used to race and was not analytical enough with myself - now I am older and do track days and I find I can concentrate, adapt and learn stuff I wish I could have done years ago !! There is a track I know well I wanted to drop below 1:40 and found it really tough, but I changed my style to concentrate on 2 things = to get the maximum out of the straights by dividing the track into sections and concentrating on the corners before the straights, and getting on the gas …. To get on the gas in a smooth progressive way where I would drive continuously on to full gas - don’t touch the throttle until you know you can drive or you push yourself wide or have to adjust/ throttle off, after half a day I went from a 1:41 to a 1:38. Sometimes old dogs can learn new tricks ! Keep them coming 👍👍
Im an old dog too, and haven’t been on a track for 15 years, I must experience it one more time before I get too old. It’s one of the best feelings ever. These videos make it very tempting even though I’m 69. Cheers😊
@@karisvard3440 you have got 15 years on me buddy ! I am in my 50's, you're never too old to have fun though - go for it!
This is why i expect when I watch motorcycle content on UA-cam. Mind blowingly informational and also makes me reflect on my practices till now. I have only done a track session once and 99% ride on the street in India, where corners are the most unpredictable as any dumbass from the opposite direction can hit you unexpectedly. But being calm when taking that corner due to all the mind prep done with those 100 decisions along with a much more manueverable motorcycle, I see myself being at the safest possible risk. A risk that is fun yet adrenaline rushed, where you just don't panic and just admire that sweet spot. Teaches you about life too. When life throws a curve, chill out and just go with the flow, than make one impulse decision that makes you high side and crash. If unfortunate, fatally. Kudos!
Jason was incredibly eloquent - great description of his thought process & technique!
special dude
Wow, I like your style. The first 7 mins really helped me understand the significance of the minute details of what you saw. Being somebody who doesn't have track or racing experience, that is a very important prelude to the meat of the subject.
Thank you Don
Love the way you talked calmly and made your point! Great quality!
I appreciate that!
Makes total sense. I've had bike bucking issues outa corners. Odd occasion I get a nice rear wheel steer with accurate apex. Few and far between.
I can relate to few and far between. Most of us can. Keep up the great work
Wow what a great video!! I could listen to pro riders all day long, this guy is so descriptive. I've been a road rider for near 44 years and consider I know how to ride but I love taking on board info like this. Thank you👍
Now let's get Jason's input on braking and corner entry this was great thanks for sharing
He's a solid dude willing to share his knowledge. Very rare trait for racers
Thanks very insightful. This also highlights the importance of having a good position and not putting weight on the inside handlebars especially on the right handers.
Great lesson. Thanks a ton! I've always instinctively been drawn to this because I got into motorcycles late in life, and I really like my life. So my purpose was to minimise risk and I didn't really want to be the fastest guy in the group anyway. And I found that this gradual roll on of the throttle, while feeling for that rear just gripping, hooking gradually was not only smooth (and I could run a slightly softer setup 😅) but was also very stable and calming. And for my adhd brain, I love the amount of hits my brain gets from all that throttle micro management. I was always convinced "you know, I'm slower but I'm happier here". Turns out, the fast guys also do this. So thanks! For the validation 😅 have a great day
"and I like my life..." Well said my friend
Pure gold, love your content!
That string analogy stuff is really cool
Sounds like Wayne Rainey had that plan long ago. He was Mr. Smooth and very fast!
It took 20+ minutes to say:
"Accelerate more smoothly"
You are destined to become a youtuber bro good job
Actually smoothly is only part of the lesson I tried to get across. Keeping the throttle ahead of your traction, all the way through your exit - which takes a hundred decisions and adjustments throughout every foot of every drive - THAT was the lesson that took me two days of filming and editing to apparently not say well enough. Maybe next time.
@@superduked33great video mate you it explained it really well
It isn’t about the what but the how. Need more $$ for trackdays isn’t the lesson. The lesson is “how” we accomplish the “what”.
The homework isn’t to be rich, but how to be rich(er).
Thanks Gogo for the “how” you shared with me.
Car drivers call what he does "late apex". It's valuable mostly because it affords you further options down the track, and THAT can shave seconds off your lap times.
Really enjoyed your detailed explanation. Just a humble suggestion for a new video. Would you kindly drill down to your 100 decisions during a turn to get into THAT part in more detail? I specifically would like to hear how you feel your traction catching up to the few percent of acceleration AND if you accelerate more than what you wanted, how do you feel that and THEN how much you dial it down and how to feel that as well. Should be very interesting to hear. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Will do. Much respect. Thank you
this is great stuff. while gentle is fast, i love leaving thick blackies (as i believe the brits call them) coming out of turns!
Simply brilliant. The Bible of Motorcycling out there in UA-cam.. Keep it coming, a sub you earned.
thanks thats inspiring
What an awesome video. Can't wait to try this out on the public roads haha
Excellent explanations, practice, practice, and practice!
Jason is a nice dude. Thank you for the interview
Smoothest rider I’ve ever seen is Troy Corser, and my must favourite rider of all time . But us Aussies have to stick together, and thanks for the advice .
😂. My buddy Gavin gets instructed by Troy once a year. Says he's an animal on track still
New sub here! So happy to have found your channel as I just purchased a 2020 1290R and want to be able become a better rider. Thanks you for sharing your knowledge with the world.
More to come my friend. Welcome to the family
Energy management.
Like world class sprinters their body and head are quiet and boring. I get it and love this coaching video 🤙
Brilliant lesson, thank you!
What a great video. Superb.
Excellently described, I connected with everything you said. Great video on what I thought was going to be a waste of my time. 😂
That means a lot to me Matt. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
Another great video. Thanks Gogoi Now i turned on Notifications!
Awesome! Thank you!
@@superduked33 Thank you Gogo looking forward to the steering video .
Thank you for sharing this! Subscribed!
Great content, and thanks so much to Jason for taking time out to share his knowledge.
Pushing with feet for traction or cornering pushing at the right angle (45 deg)inside foot . Foot work is huge 2 wheels 3 wheels 4 wheels, snowmobile same concept . Hard to explain but you learn that at a young age and don't ever think about it you just do it
Marvelous stuff.
You never name yourself after the first bike you get a woody over😅🤣😂. You gotta rename yourself each subsequent bike you get. Seriously though, great content!👍
Thank you
At T-Hill, I had to learn not wack the throttle exiting six going through seven. Sometimes you have to go slow to go fast.
Thank you for sharing this information!
Thank you for watching - and inspiring
Your videos are such good quality. Keep up the work your gana be huge!
Such an awesome video this one watching this with 4 years riding experience is going to take me quiet a long way 👌🏼
I enjoy smaller bikes too but personally I'm not so confident about that motor. I've heard about some problems in the head. The 1290 is more proven. I worked super hard at developing some simple chassis upgrade parts that help make the 1290 (and now 1290) more manageable. Easier to turn, easier to drive out, basically more fun. That's been my experience and it's what most of my customers tell me too. A magazine asked me to take a 1290 for a weekend so I could ride it on the street and write an article about it the following Monday. I gave the bike back to them after two days with 600 more miles on the odometer. That's how enjoyable the 1290 Superduke is to ride.
@@superduked33 what motor are we talking about here haha
@@Massacheefa hasn’t the 890 had head issues? I know some people who have, something about cam wear - which KTM warranties but it’s still a pain. I beat the gel out of my 1290s and they take it well
@@superduked33 haha I don’t ride a 890 my next upgrade would most likely be the superduke 1290 or MT09 haha I’m currently on an MT07
subscribed !! Great video - you'd make a good coach! I really liked your analysis of what Jason said to you, but more pertinently, how you interpreted it and made your own experience of it. 👍
100% agree. For me understanding a lesson is only the first step of learning. Digesting it, interpreting it, and using your own version of it - those are what learning is really about
Thought Experiments: 1. You are standing at the bottom of a steep dirt hill. When climbing it in your rain boots, you don't use all leg power. You slowly apply pressure until you feel it slip, then use constant pressure. 2. Same hill, now you're on your dirt bike. You don't just pin it, you slowly apply throttle for maximum traction. 3. Now there is a chicane up the hill, you slowly apply throttle, but when turning, you need to remove some throttle as you don't have as much traction. When the bike gets straighter, you slowly apply the throttle again.
Now. Head to your local MX track and study one turn. If you want the fast guys, you will see they are on the throttle way earlier than the slower guys. James Stewert was known to get on the throttle very early.
Next. Beg or borrow a smaller bike and head to the local kart track. Watch when the guys get on the throttle for turn one. Get a piece of chalk and mark it. Now you go ride that turn and see how you compare. This is what American Flat Tracking is all about.
Anyone can just pin the throttle. It's working with the bike to get smooth traction and acceleration as early as possible.
Epic response. Thank you for contributing @loopie007
Ex racer , it's the same no matter what your racing. Feed what it will take. Smooth is fast. Always common sense to me , I can't remember not knowing that
Now I know why my tires don’t last very long. Lol
😂
They’re not supposed to last “long.” They meant to grip. How long do they last for you?
Ever since I nearly high-sided once - *smoothly*
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😂
Incredibly compelling video
Thank you Kevin that's inspiring
Excellent!
Feels weird, right? Like the bike has become an extension of your body. You get better feel, you get better control... It's awesome!
100%
Would you be willing to share what your settings are for your video (if GoPro)? Love the view and great vid!
Love this channel
You were talking about the race from 2023 correct? I may have photos of you and I hope to be there this year if your gonna be there my friend races for RSD on the hooligan series
Yes! Hope to see you there!
Smooth is fast
Alot of pro road racers used to be flat track racers .It all about throttle control
Great video! 👍🏾
Thank you!
Thank you 🙏🏻
Super video though, helps me a lot I know it's one thing that even tho I am training doing circles & exercises with pitbikes every week I still struggle a bit to input that on my R7 Cup bike
Here's a tip from the netherworld that you might like. Aaron Yates used to train just like that, on little bikes doing circles practicing drifting the rear. The little known tip is he used to use a tie-down strap to synch his swingarm all the way compressed, so it wouldn't snap out and hi-side him when traction broke loose... You did not hear this from me though. :-)
Roger that ;) @@superduked33
It's interesting because Jason almost seems to espouse the opposite of trail braking, as far as I understand it.
He's talking about accelerating, even if slightly, before the apex.
So far I love your videos many thanks ✊✊✊✊✊✊💪💪💪💪💪💪💪✊✊✊✊✊✊✊
Excellent thank you!
You're very welcome!
I think no style at a higher level is right or wrong....
Marc Marquez likes to challenge the bike in his terms and find its limit....
Jorge lorenzo, Fabio Quartararao, Alex rins on the other hand, are the smoothest. They like to flow with the natural charecter and potential of the bike.
Marc is rough. That's why he crashes so much. His strength and weakness are the same.
Respect. Well said
Ok I'm listening
Wow this is engaging
Right that's my mind made up.. next track day I'm putting the bike in Rain mode 😂 Great video Eric and it must feel really good not to have to fight the bike out of corners now... less He-Man, more Zzzz-Man!
hysterical. Glad you enjoyed it Rikky
Good video.
Smooth is fast. That's it.
18:59 The thinking process, as I call it...😂
Can you make detail video about counter steering ? I know all the theory, watched all videos, read a lot of books, try it on the track, but it actually works for me only when on highway with very high speeds. When try counter steering on the track, even few mm push on handlebars make me oversteer. Too low speed, maybe or something else. Will appreciate highly any help
Yes I can and yes I will. Big project that's been on my mind for years.
What an amazing video. Btw, how'd he lose his middle finger 😳😳😳???
I have yet to ask... But it's killing me
Greaat video! But, can you accelerate to the key points please. ;
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Helpful content, thank you…
Glad it was helpful!
Just turn on launch control and done
OMG SDR launch control... Have you ever actually tried to launch with it? Pole position to last place, faster than you can say "What the f just happened?"
@@superduked33 you know you can tailor that right?
@@jvillain9946 learn me please brother, because to date I get much stronger starts manually.
well we all have launch control/traction these days
Yes we do. All two of the folks in this video have both launch control and traction control. Yet still we have this conversation and these discoveries. Launch control is a very effective way to go from pole-to-9th in the first 100yds of a race. It is extremely lame in comparison to what we can achieve manually.
And traction control, at least the traction control that "we all have" is not as fast or as smooth by itself, as it is when you use finesse along with it. That's why the video. Thanks for commenting, I hope this helps.
@uked33 Very easy to install Bazzaz TC DIAL ADJUSTABLE which is developed on the RT for the track which I use on Fireblade and comes with Quick shifter. I have 2nd fasting time for privateer on BIC AND 6TH At LIC
I have a cruiser so I just twist the throttle. Lol
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more4 us Bs
I manage this concept using the idea of ‘maintenance throttle’ during turns… feeling your rear wheel’s traction telling you how much more juice you can give it as you go through the apex
quality content! i wonder if you use trail braking with this method? thanks!
Yes. Exactly. The gentle blend, that's what it's all about. Going in, coming out.
Well, “I got boring but fast” might not be the best slogan but I can totally relate to what you try to say 🤓. Even with todays electronics mastering throttle control is the key to go fast AND safe. I had the pleasure to do some one on one coaching with Eric Bostrom. Following Eric gave me similar insights - no matter how hard I tried I could never mimic his drive out of corners and while I had near-death experiences trying he looked like he leisurely rides to a coffee shop.
That dude can ride a motorcycle.. Wonder what he's doing now
Awesome stuff like always mate. I've always been an aggressive to say the least rider but I will try to master this wizardry as I get ready for my first sidecar race in April when my dad hands the reigns over to his Australian championship winning Vincent Sidecar outfit. Decent size shoes to fill but I can't wait! I've been dreaming of this since I was a little fella sitting on it and pretending to be as cool as dad haha. Thanks for all your time and effort it must take to make these videos for us, they have all been so helpful for me, really appreciate it mate!
Wow that sounds interesting. How much power does the engine produce? Is it still a two valve head?
FWIW. I think you have struck gold in the right balance of "character & content" with this video. Great first person experience advice, mixed with technical and explanation. I don't feel your other video's had this kind of balance (TBH some of the war stories detract from the information you're delivering), and you've really done well to refine the product and deliver a great video.
Thank you @mikeshaw1459. Im a work in progress so I appreciate your feedback
Something to consider or a different explanation that I learned from a riding school - that 1-10% of throttle is a "maintenance input" where you're not accelerating or decelerating. To overcome the engine braking. Use it to point or settle the bike before rolling further/accelerate. Great content!
So does that mean that it may actually be like 20% throttle, but is realistically only 1 or 2% difference?? Like relative to your current speed you input a couple percentages?? Idk if I worded that very well
Hopefully you've accounted for engine breaking and you're in the correct gear before settling into the turn, or you've got trouble. What he's doing is re-thinking accelerating out of the turn, not at the last second with full-on throttle, but coming on earlier for a smoother more controlled and faster approach to the coming straight. Thinking ahead on a superbike takes some serious balls, talent and skill. I'm not at that level for sure. But I'm pretty damn good.
That's true... depending on speed mid corner and tyre size etc etc my data usto show at 25%-30% throttle in some corners whilst at lean we were barely maintaining constant speed. Once I started to notice this and learn the new limits I dropped 2 seconds in races
It's all about developing the feel for the bike in question, as they're all unique, and sexy!@@lostinventure8486
how have I just found this channel. I did 6 track days and I always thought you were supposed to wait - for example - halfway through a hairpin before getting on throttle. And then I started heavy braking all the way to turn in point, COASTING until I felt the bike was about to FALL over, then get on the gas and hope I had a good line to get me through the corner. I would push the bike into the ground because I would have to get on throttle and just could not find speed. Yesterday my instructor told me to gas right after trakling brake - tip in a 1%, 2%... so slow. revolutionary.
Some really good information there.
Thanks for sharing it and keep yourself safe! 😃👍❤🏍
Randy
So I have a question about your traction vs throttle explanation:
If the rear end steps out, then would you have less traction or can you still lead the traction with the throttle while the rear is stepped out?
Sorry if that question is worded weirdly by the way
In my experience, relating to this subject, it's all about letting the rear "step out" but just fractionally. So it's never an emergency, its never way out of line. Rather than making one big decision when to accelerate, you make many little decisions to accelerate - one right after another, and again, and again - in rapid succession. It's annoying to do right. Kind of like lifting on the forward pedal when you ride a bicycle with clips. It's SO MUCH better and faster, but until it comes naturally you have to constantly remind yourself to do it. Well accelerating is exactly like that. Constantly making decisions about adding throttle, one tiny bit at a time - keeping your throttle JUST ahead of your traction. That's been the difference maker for me
@@superduked33 awesome explanation, thank you very much! It's awesome to get a reply from the content creator themself!
Awesome content . Turn 11 at LagunaSeca .. it’s been on my mind since last year at my first motoamerica superhooligan race . Processing so many things as a rookie rider at my first time at LagunaSeca the one big take away was is if I drift through turn 11 i would be faster. To this day I run it through my head how I would handle that turn and boom your video pops up( I love are your vids )and reaffirms my thoughts . Thanks for the great content
Funny how a race lasts 30 minutes in reality but 30yrs in your soul
Agreed
Excellent video and nice of him to be open and share. It sounds like riding with some mechanical sympathy - working with the bike instead of trying to force it and getting in its way. It’s less stressful on the bike and the rider. Good stuff! 👍
How did the bike accelerate by itself ? Doesn't it need the rider to use the accelerator on the handlebar ?
A controlled drift which prioritizes speed through a turn.
Great video GoGo..... the old saying still stands to be true......SMOOOTH IS FAST! been telling track riders this for year's
Thanks for making these informative videos, man. I have been karting for a few years and I can relate to a lot about over-driving compared to being smooth and fast. Hopefully I can figure it out on a real fast racing machine when I get on track. I imagine that everything is more touchy the faster your machine is.
True
New R7 is basic enough technology wise
It’s always been that way. The fastest guys are the smoothest guys. They make it look so controlled and easy. Can’t say I’m a track wizard, but there are those laps where everything flows together and the lap is not only faster but so easy. Most my experience is on dirt, hard packed slippery dirt. The right amount of throttle let’s the bike hook up, too much and your just spinning up the rear tire an going nowhere.
It's the little things that make the biggest differences at speed, right? Funny how everyone searches for big easy answers to speed but it's never one big easy answer. It's a thousand little ones
Not to sound mean but, this is the basics of cornering for cars or motorcycles. Implementation of such at the limits of traction is the magic/skill.
Nothing mean about it. You might be surprised how few ride this consciously though, which is why the video seems helpful to some. Even Jayson and myself. It is easy and it is common to lose touch with the simplest of understandings, to the madness of adrenalin and desperation to go faster
Wonderful knowledge that helps bridge the gap between 600cc and 1000cc bikes!
Glad its valuable to you brother.
Thanks GoGo ! Awesome explanation with the hand .