"He broke the natural limit"

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  • @freakied0550
    @freakied0550 11 місяців тому +477

    Only limit I'll concede is time. We run out of it at some point.

    • @MoarteaLunii
      @MoarteaLunii 11 місяців тому +17

      Kinda depressing tbh

    • @joojotin
      @joojotin 11 місяців тому +2

      ​@@MoarteaLuniiwhy?

    • @anonymousman4419
      @anonymousman4419 11 місяців тому +34

      ​@@joojotinDeath is depressing (especially if you're not religious)

    • @KIKKAAA685
      @KIKKAAA685 11 місяців тому +3

      Hey Jason you are not bold)

    • @JamesEast-iy3ov
      @JamesEast-iy3ov 11 місяців тому +1

      Well hormones also. Unless your doctor hooks you up.

  • @Abraham_Kist-Okazaki
    @Abraham_Kist-Okazaki 11 місяців тому +319

    There's no question that a natural limit exists -- it's called death. Watching your progress over the past four years has been inspirational.

    • @frankieconcepcion7860
      @frankieconcepcion7860 11 місяців тому +26

      best take on this. We stop when we die. We slow down as we get old.

    • @texasbeaver8188
      @texasbeaver8188 11 місяців тому

      There's also a natural limit called "being a lazy fuck & making excuses." Don't forget that one as well

    • @edwardtye4119
      @edwardtye4119 11 місяців тому +4

      @@frankieconcepcion7860 Kinda like sharks then - if they stop swimming, water stops flowing over their gills so they can't respire and they die. (actually I reread your comment and it's not really the same thing, but it's a cool shark fact so I'm leaving it here)

    • @dansmith1661
      @dansmith1661 11 місяців тому +4

      Adrenaline can make women lift cars. We are capable of becoming hulks, but our bones would likely break doing so.

    • @Abraham_Kist-Okazaki
      @Abraham_Kist-Okazaki 11 місяців тому

      @@dansmith1661 I think you are referring to Bruce Banner's research with gamma radiation.

  • @BasementBodybuilding
    @BasementBodybuilding 11 місяців тому +189

    The kids joke was gold 😂

    • @KIKKAAA685
      @KIKKAAA685 11 місяців тому

      Hey Jason you are not bold).

    • @recreationallifting
      @recreationallifting 11 місяців тому +3

      I feel personally attacked o.o

    • @playwithreality
      @playwithreality 11 місяців тому +2

      the joke was gold in most cases

    • @josephahn601
      @josephahn601 11 місяців тому +1

      Anakin enters the room

    • @animal0mother
      @animal0mother 4 місяці тому

      @josephahn601
      Heracles enters the room.

  • @4FrogsStacked
    @4FrogsStacked 11 місяців тому +166

    I think there is a limit, BUT:
    - You will never reach it because it requires 100% optimization of your life in regards to hypertrophy
    - You will never know what your own natural limit is, even if you were to theoretically reach it, you would never know that you were at your limit

    • @tomashorst9544
      @tomashorst9544 11 місяців тому +19

      The second point is also paradoxical in a sense. If you know that you are at your limit then you have tried everything at your disposal to maximize your potential. But if you've tried everything then you don't have enough time to allocate to what works best for a long enough time to reach your potential.

    • @RoseAesthetics
      @RoseAesthetics 11 місяців тому +3

      Wrong. No limit. That mindset will keep you from progressing l

    • @4FrogsStacked
      @4FrogsStacked 11 місяців тому +13

      @@RoseAesthetics this mindset promotes the idea that worrying about a limit at all is a waste of time to even think about

    • @FrogmortonHotchkiss
      @FrogmortonHotchkiss 11 місяців тому +2

      I agree factually... but maybe disagree with the sentiment? With basic competency and consistency over enough time, you can get close enough to your personal limit that further optimisation would only make a trivial difference--unless you're in elite competition where small differences matter. Any bro who isn't very sick or starved can do the basics and get very close to his limit within 15 years. Further tweaks ain't going to transform a Jeremy Ethier into a Geoff. Geoff works hard & smart, yeah--so do I, so do a lot of people, and their results are all across the spectrum. He is genetically blessed for hypertrophy. The fact he was a skinny teen and didn't blow up in his first lifting years doesn't say shit to disprove that.
      I like a lot about these 'noble natty' channels, but they do sell a dream that if only I do XYZ, I might achieve a certain kind of result. But fact is, only a small proportion of people are natural shot-putters, and a larger proportion of people are natural badminton players...

    • @4FrogsStacked
      @4FrogsStacked 11 місяців тому +8

      @@FrogmortonHotchkiss That's a very valid point, you do reach a point where it can be incredibly hard to get even marginal gains. However, the point of discussion is about a limit. It is pretty much up to the lifter if they think those trivial gains are worth it. That point of trivial gains is very different for everybody, and even depends on their sport of choice.
      So basically instead of "I CAN'T get any bigger/better", the mindset is "Do I WANT to put in the effort to keep getting bigger/better?". That puts the ball in your court and gives you the power in the situation, rather than just giving up and blaming the universe for your lack of gains. This is really important because you might decide to keep going, then actually get more gains than you thought would. If you had the mindset that you literally can't get bigger, you may not have put in the effort to get those gains. Mindset is everything in the gym.
      I would also just generally question a person's training methodology. You can get jacked when you're just screwing around and working hard, but nothing beats a program that is optimized for you based on your past training and current goals. On your point about Jeremy Either, based on what I've seen of his training, I think there is room for improvement lol.

  • @JamesPetroff
    @JamesPetroff 11 місяців тому +43

    I'm 5' 9 and a 60 year old lawyer. I just got my chest to 50 and my arms 17.5 (with pump) inches. I'm really prioritizing arms trying to get to 18, with 7 inch wrists. I am doing incline curls with 50s and spreader bar tricep extensions and overhead cable extensions FOREVER. I am busy as hell. Find the time to grind out nasty sets and keep growing. Don't sell yourself short.

    • @tristian14
      @tristian14 11 місяців тому +4

      good shit man, i strive to be as well off and fit as you one day

    • @richardtrass
      @richardtrass 11 місяців тому +10

      54 year old lawyer with 17.5 inch arms at 5 ft 8 checking in. Respect to you Sir💪🏼

    • @TheBcoolGuy
      @TheBcoolGuy 11 місяців тому +4

      Woah WTF. Jacked and stacked - not just your case file, but your fizeek! Dang, bro! I'd hire you in a heartbeat without even looking into your track record! 😎 I wanna be that swole when I'm 60. I'm 22 right now and nowhere near as jacked as you. About 43 inch chest and unfortunately only 14-14.5" arms (cold, but flexed)

    • @chriscarofine806
      @chriscarofine806 10 місяців тому +1

      Try heavy ass Olympic barbell curls slow return get to 135 for 8 guaranteed your arms will hit 18

    • @Drunken_Hamster
      @Drunken_Hamster 10 місяців тому

      17.5" on 7" wrists is an epic proportion. All you need to go with it are 14" forearms.

  • @QuartzTech
    @QuartzTech 11 місяців тому +18

    Having children is catabolic. New Athlean X video: KIDS ARE KILLING YOUR GAINS

    • @jasonshults368
      @jasonshults368 25 днів тому

      Until they are in their teens. Then they force you to work out, thus fueling gains.

  • @derekadrian7217
    @derekadrian7217 11 місяців тому +60

    As a married man with a son, a cat and financial responsibilities, I can guarantee my time at the gym is not affected. Specially if you have a supportive partner. All you have to do is sacrifice some TV, gaming or kill time leisure to focus on fitness.

    • @peamutbubber
      @peamutbubber 11 місяців тому +5

      Bodybuilding is art not fitness or health

    • @richardtrass
      @richardtrass 11 місяців тому +1

      @@peamutbubberstrongly agree with you! It’s not fitness

    • @paulwhite9242
      @paulwhite9242 11 місяців тому +1

      IDK. When I was 24,25 I could spent 2 hours a day at the gym. If I did that now I'd be taking more time away from kids and wife than I'm OK with--particularly if I want to do other stuff in any measure (hike, read, listen to music).
      These days it's about an hour, to maybe 90 minutes, 4x a week. Which is still enough to get some decent results!

  • @recreationallifting
    @recreationallifting 11 місяців тому +90

    Omfg lol I’m a Dad I’ve gotta muster the strength…In all honesty I will say; my children are the reason I started lifting a few years ago. Always wanted to build muscle in college and Army but was too poor and made too many excuses not to. Mah boys grizzly scream at me while I do pull-ups and it’s scary af but it works. Third bulk commenced this week using your Ravage program, Geoff. Slowly but surely Resurrecting my Gains after a summer of maintenance.

  • @gunsrlove
    @gunsrlove 11 місяців тому +15

    There is a natural limit. And that's totally fine, it shouldn't really be a concern for anyone. And it depends on too many variables, anyway

  • @ClarkyClark
    @ClarkyClark 11 місяців тому +8

    I have 4 kids. Can confirm, kids kill gains. But... I've now got my kids on my side cheering me on. They will help me tape my arms and are very excited too when I hit goals.
    So I guess I'll keep them for now.

    • @watsonkushmaster3067
      @watsonkushmaster3067 9 місяців тому

      4 sounds brutal...i can say with two its ok, not really a problem to get 3x week 2h workout in

  • @Griffmassyt
    @Griffmassyt 11 місяців тому +2

    This is the most motivating video ever

  • @jehangir959
    @jehangir959 11 місяців тому

    hey man i was feeling pretty bad today but i really appreciate you uploading 😁

  • @BrawnyKingFitness
    @BrawnyKingFitness 11 місяців тому +25

    "All that's keeping me from being a nobody is that dumbbell. If I can't lift it, I'm nothing."
    This is a line from the Louis Cyr movie. Although fictional, it says a lot.
    Another gem of a video.

  • @roycegarvin
    @roycegarvin 11 місяців тому

    Been waiting on this 😊

  • @majinzanza
    @majinzanza 11 місяців тому

    Awesome video, and very inspirational! I'm in the middle of a bulk right now. Compared to last year's bulk, I'm as fluffy at 205lbs, as I was last year at 190lbs. Exciting stuff.

  • @sankalpverma618
    @sankalpverma618 11 місяців тому +5

    There is a natural physical limit
    And a natural mental limit

  • @Fitness_Lorenzo
    @Fitness_Lorenzo 11 місяців тому +39

    Because of social media and a lot of UA-camrs ; I lost a lot of hope for my natural potential.
    At one point, I thought that I reached it 4 years into my training.
    But, you gave me so much hope last year. Because of that, I progressed so much with my bulk.
    Thank you.

  • @sethdunn96
    @sethdunn96 11 місяців тому +2

    Speaking about injuries, it is the truth. I am almost 46, been lifting consistently since I was 17 (some before that, but not consistent). The biggest roadblocks I have are injuries. Not listening to my body, not taking time to deload and ramp back up. Those things will contribute to injuries. Also when cutting and still lifting hard, and not listening to your body give you warnings about jacking something up. The best thing you can do is LISTEN to your body, it will let you know when you are compromising something. You do a lift or a rep and you feel like "oh, something was off on that one compared to other times." That is cue! Don't ignore it.

  • @johncauser3444
    @johncauser3444 11 місяців тому

    Exellent video mate, funny and informative, made me lol twice and that takes some doing.

  • @sunaadgurajada3499
    @sunaadgurajada3499 11 місяців тому +3

    I’m so glad Geoff has the energy to be funny again, this one was hilarious

  • @michaelcorreira5629
    @michaelcorreira5629 11 місяців тому

    Great video

  • @karlsmith9186
    @karlsmith9186 11 місяців тому +4

    People thought 500kg deadlift was impossible until Eddie Hall did it. Now multiple people have done it. Nuff said

  • @wonsyloves
    @wonsyloves 11 місяців тому

    First time watching your channel,found you from a Quora post about training the back. You seem pretty chill. Looking forward to binging on some videos. Cheers!

  • @GillRapz
    @GillRapz 11 місяців тому +3

    Yo Geoffrey!, you keep me motivated to keep lifting as a natural! Quick Question, could you possibly do a video on Creatine & Hair Loss? I notice most youtube fitness channels are rather myopic or dismissive (due to being affiliates with supplement companies) when it comes to this topic. Despite this being the "most studied supplement" with endless studies, no one is willing to run a study to end this so called "myth" of hair loss/DHT increasing, when there are thousands upon thousands of anecdotal evidence on Reddit and youtube comments. I know you hate fearmongering, but it would be awesome if you could shine some light on this topic in a video! Thanks for all the great info you provide to your viewers! @GVS

  • @tomlazoriksuccessfitness
    @tomlazoriksuccessfitness 11 місяців тому

    Absolutely love the breakdown here. Some of these standards are so arbitrary. We know so much in terms of health and fitness, but we’re always learning more 💪

  • @useless1
    @useless1 11 місяців тому +9

    Building muscle takes a looot of time. I'm training since 10 years. When u first start u see changes within months... later on in your journey it takes years for some solid progress. but you can still build a lot when u stay consistent and give it the time it needs. There is still more room for growth even as a natural

    • @kiyoponnn
      @kiyoponnn 9 місяців тому

      If you have below average muscularity after 10 years of training, you're doing something very wrong

  • @ellisfrancisfarros3935
    @ellisfrancisfarros3935 11 місяців тому +8

    3:52 I can already hear Athlean-X saying "Having KIDS are KILLING your GAINS!!!"

  • @blaine6097
    @blaine6097 11 місяців тому +2

    Every natural has their own genetic limit. Its not a fixed number limit thats the same for everyone. You may never actually get there but it exists. Even approaching this "limit" requires insane dedication and work ethic for 5-10 years and so its a moot point really because most people will never get there anyway. Saying theres no point where natural gains will stop is definitley untrue. That doesnt mean you should train as if there is a limit because that way youll never get as close to your max as possible as you are self limiting. Reality is reality though. Seeing all the videos trying to debunk a natural limit is eye rolling for me at this point but i think you did a really good job with this one GVS and i agree with your points and you definitley did acknowledge the points i made as well so very solid video

  • @RedRockBodybuildingDIYGYM
    @RedRockBodybuildingDIYGYM 7 місяців тому

    Hi, been watching you for a bit, I love this video about natural limit. I'm 57, been training 35+ yrs. I started out 5'11" 160 to now 5'9" 247 19" biceps About 20% body fat. FFMI 29.5. I was natural till last yr. I got on TRT because my Testosterone was about 300 and my free floating test was 35. I had testicle cancer 21yrs ago and they removed one. I was so tired I was drinking 6 cups of coffee just to function every day. TRT only helped a tiny bit mostly with energy. I've always been strong. I'm still making gains! I believe there is no limit.
    Rock on

  • @whitemakesright2177
    @whitemakesright2177 11 місяців тому +8

    Lots of bodybuilders hamstring (pun intended) themselves by staying too lean too often. In terms of pure muscle building, giga-bulkers like elite strongmen and powerlifters often blow bodybuilders out of the water. For what it's worth, sumo wrestlers, the ultimate giga-bulkers, routinely have FFMIs above 30, with the biggest guys hitting FFMIs of 35+.

    • @kren4449
      @kren4449 11 місяців тому +4

      Bloatmaxxing 🫡

    • @whitemakesright2177
      @whitemakesright2177 11 місяців тому

      @@kren4449 Interestingly, sumo wrestlers aren't actually as fat as you might think. In the study I was looking at (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28548340/) their mean bodyfat percentage was 26%, which is fat but not outrageous. Even the biggest guy was only 33%.

  • @NickolaiFury
    @NickolaiFury 11 місяців тому

    Good stuff, great information and the jokes and humor are on point and make your content FAR more fun and interesting than most other fitness educators/influencers. Kids will kill your gainz! :)

  • @wdadwawdadawdwdwa4133
    @wdadwawdadawdwdwa4133 11 місяців тому +1

    The intensity on the dips... Wow

  • @Section8dc
    @Section8dc 11 місяців тому +1

    The longer I train the more unsure I become of what a realistic limit is, Ive been dedicated training for 8 years and you would figure I had reached my limit but I still make break throughs to this day, like just this month alone I threw out all my back exercises and just started doing 150 slow pullups of different variations and it has absolutely made a difference in my back like I havent had in years

  • @martinbue2504
    @martinbue2504 11 місяців тому

    You are my hero

  • @andyjcoop
    @andyjcoop 11 місяців тому +2

    As a Dad of two young boys, I can definitely confirm that yes having kids will KILL your gains.
    But nothing, absolutely nothing in this life compares to seeing my boys grow.
    I give everything to them and more.

    • @LOLI_
      @LOLI_ 10 місяців тому

      Not necessarily.

  • @FitLabb
    @FitLabb 11 місяців тому +32

    Can personally attest to the fact that wives can certainly be “Gainz Goblins” (credit to Bald Omni Man for coining that term…) 😂

    • @Ignore14
      @Ignore14 11 місяців тому +7

      That term existed long before Bald Okni Man but yeah

    • @JariSatta
      @JariSatta 11 місяців тому +4

      or not. 1) music 2) training 3) self development 4) creating value for other people 5) women

    • @BaldOmniMan
      @BaldOmniMan 11 місяців тому +13

      @@Ignore14 Jason Genova walked so that we could run

    • @yousefbaboon
      @yousefbaboon 11 місяців тому +3

      @@BaldOmniManenjoy the ment

    • @sankalpverma618
      @sankalpverma618 11 місяців тому

      Bruhh 💀

  • @Herr2Cents
    @Herr2Cents 11 місяців тому

    My bodies functionality with strength matters most for me. Keep moving till you can't.

  • @toni6194
    @toni6194 11 місяців тому +2

    I think someone should compare themself to the average person under the condition that they started as a average person. Always compare yourself to yourself, live the journey and never forget where you came from.

  • @P_Mann
    @P_Mann 11 місяців тому

    It’s all in how we allocate our resources, including time, as a reflection of our priorities.

  • @fikoantunes
    @fikoantunes 11 місяців тому +2

    I know you don't have kids (...yet?), but you should do a vid about kids & lifting, addressing topics like 4:19 the lack of protein in kiddo snacks. Great stuff as always, Geoff!

  • @badass6300
    @badass6300 11 місяців тому +3

    I do think that there is a limit for the average gym goer that has a job and other responsibilities, as you don't eat perfectly, you don't sleep perfectly and sometimes you even miss a day of training.
    So setting a good standard for the average person to strive for and then maintain without having to do everything perfectly is a very good thing IMO.

  • @Barneyfithlawman
    @Barneyfithlawman 11 місяців тому +2

    Geoff is on the money. Guys usually quit, before even getting close to eating and training correctly. Also something i thought about is once you've kinda built a somewhat impressive physique, probably college years.. well women and drinking and maybe more come into play... kinda like the other pursuits of kids and jobs and money... just live train hard eat as best you can... always set a goal of pr or something so you can stay focused... otherwise you just go workout but not with the focus like he talks about
    My dad benched 300+ at 57 after starting at 47. I think he could do 165 when he started...

  • @FitAfter50
    @FitAfter50 11 місяців тому

    Food! Eating more is by far the hardest thing for me to wrap my head around. I don't like looking chubbier than I already am. Once day before I stop training, it has only been a couple of years, I will get eat more. I am 52 however, so that day better come sooner than later.

  • @Stierenkloot
    @Stierenkloot Місяць тому +1

    +20 social credits for Geoff

  • @gamingshark2522
    @gamingshark2522 7 місяців тому

    I will agree with Geoffrey that priorities will change and they will change for me aswell but I am just also curious at the same time to just find out my natural potential but it will just take years decades of my life to find out

  • @HeavenBull91
    @HeavenBull91 11 місяців тому

    YES I CAN !

  • @DCJayhawk57
    @DCJayhawk57 11 місяців тому +8

    Stay consistent for many years and you'll progress. Natties have a much longer shelf life than enhanced. Stop listening to guys who hopped on sazule in their early 20s when they didn't know how to train and recover, burnt themselves out, and then give advice on what's naturally achievable before they've even reached age 30.
    I'm 38 right now and feel like I'm just now understanding what my body needs to both grow and perform. I thought I was stalled out 5 years ago, and 5 years before that, and so on.
    Here's what happens when most guys reach their 30s: marriage, kids, job, etc. take precedence over the gym, and self care goes out the window. I have plenty of friends at the gym who are a few years younger who just want to "maintain", and by training with no intensity they start to regress and blame their age. I think this is common in guys who were college athletes and maybe saw training as a job that they didn't enjoy. A lot of people lie to themselves about how busy they actually are. As you said, it's about priorities.

    • @kren4449
      @kren4449 11 місяців тому +1

      No matter what you do time will get you in the end bro. The gains will stop eventually and then you will slowly start to regress. Our bodies weren't meant to be forever.

  • @dk1480
    @dk1480 10 місяців тому

    I got injured when I was 14... I did reverse push ups during a warm up to a swim, our trainer told us to do 20 reps, and so I did and got a solar plexus injury, it hurt me to bring my arms together for a couple of weeks. I train like an old man, not going to failure, just close enough on my push ups, dips, bench press.

  • @NorbiOfficial
    @NorbiOfficial 11 місяців тому

    Beard lookin' fantastic!

  • @GVS
    @GVS  11 місяців тому +24

    If you're looking for great resources for deeper info on hypertrophy training, check out my books below!
    Book 1: SWEAT (beginners/intermediates)
    www.verityfit.com/product-page/sweat
    Book 2: Ring Training For Hypertrophy (ring enthusiasts)
    www.verityfit.com/product-page/ring-training-for-hypertrophy
    Book 3: Resurrecting Your Gains (intermediates/advanced lifters)
    www.verityfit.com/product-page/resurrecting-your-gains-finding-your-muscle-growth-formula

  • @spacepirate9882
    @spacepirate9882 11 місяців тому +7

    Anabolism is BIOLOGICALLY limited by at least 3 way bigger "limiting factors":
    - The amount of testosterone you can produce before your metabolism stop producing it : around 1000 ng/dL for men
    - The amount of growth hormones you can produce : around 10 ng/mL for men
    - The amount of myostatin which is the muscle growth inhibitor
    Remember that our body CAN'T support an infinite amount of muscle and that's why we evoled with biological limits. That's why bodybuilder are taking testosterone and GH, to bypass those limits and that's why they have a lot of health issues.

    • @DS-nn7oo
      @DS-nn7oo 11 місяців тому +1

      Sounding pretty pathetic there, bud.

    • @spacepirate9882
      @spacepirate9882 11 місяців тому +1

      @@DS-nn7oo Hate biology, not me, I have nothing to do with how the metabolism works.

  • @Adamsfamily1990
    @Adamsfamily1990 11 місяців тому +1

    Injuries are our biggest enemy. 3 months ago I pulled something in my chest, because I had the idea to test how many dips I can do and I already did chest and shoulders that day. Well that was a dumb idea, it took 2 months to get pain free.

  • @josephwilkinson7321
    @josephwilkinson7321 11 місяців тому +1

    Education is the key. I think if someone goes back and forth between muscle building and tendon strenth training with the proper nutrition could get a natural Ronnie Coleman. Though you may have to live in a gym/nutrional lab, once you plateau in muscle growth, you then switch to tendon strength/flexibility, now you can load your muscle with more weight, plateau again, revert back to tendon training and so on for 50 years. Tendon training is the tough part and it takes a long time to transform your tendons, but is the key to easily pass those muscle growth plateaus you reach.

  • @kamo7293
    @kamo7293 10 місяців тому +1

    from a maths point of view, the natural limit can be thought of as an asymptote.
    no matter how far along the x-axis you go (x-axis being time) the graph will never touch the asymptote.
    and that's how we should view the natural limit. yes it's there, but touching it will never happen

  • @reeyees50
    @reeyees50 11 місяців тому

    Love it 4:00

  • @riczz4641
    @riczz4641 11 місяців тому +1

    The natural limit is determined by time. If you keep setting goals and training better, You'll keep improving till your testosterone plummets at 40 or something.
    Those natty ranges are from a time where 0.0001% of people were training. They are extremely outdated.

  • @texasbeaver8188
    @texasbeaver8188 11 місяців тому

    5:20 PREACH, Geoff

  • @corenko
    @corenko 11 місяців тому +11

    I don't care if I'm at my 'natural limit', at this point I exclusively work out to sort my mind out and not commit war crimes

    • @diggadslawyer9760
      @diggadslawyer9760 11 місяців тому +3

      Based Serb

    • @stevend481
      @stevend481 11 місяців тому

      But its boring because now youre just maintaining

    • @balduccirichard
      @balduccirichard 3 місяці тому

      Same, obsessing over fitness is my form of escapism

    • @jasonshults368
      @jasonshults368 25 днів тому

      It's worse than just maintaining. In my 50's, after several permanent injuries, I'm just chasing the Ghost of What Once Was.

  • @ARDAYILMAZ72
    @ARDAYILMAZ72 11 місяців тому

    Holy fucking hell bro... What is wrong with your delts!! Looking enhanced af my man

  • @papaspaulding
    @papaspaulding 11 місяців тому +2

    Ive noticed on youtube over the years so many people seem to think that you can reach your natural limit in a few years just by training and eating right lol. I realised most people get past their first year of newbie gains then past that once progress slows down they hit their first major plateau once they get big and relatively lean and after only a few years call it their genetic limit.
    Im pretty sure I hit mine in my 20's, although wont ever truly know as I stopped lifting for ten years around 27 years old, but lifting from 15/15 to 27 years old In those final 5 or so years I hit a 'limit' a few times. ie I had already got really big but just stalled and hit a wall.
    I found you have to really be in tune with your body to recognise when to change things and what and how to change things. it can be frustrating at that stage fine tuning things as what works best at one time wont at another and different things are more optimal at different times. there's no set rule, you just have to find what works to break through that plateau and start slowly making more gains.
    Back then I genuinely didn't believe in a natural limit. I used to read muscle and fitness and flex and see jay cutler, lee preist, kevin levrone etc and Id convince myself I could get somewhere near that size naturally and thats how I trained with that determination.
    I got way bigger than I ever thought possible and was accused constantly of being on steroids even by training partners and people who were close to me refused to believe I wasn't on gear. Other people I knew who were on gear would get genuinely angry because they wold tell me im lying as "100% you're on steroids as you cannot be that big naturally"

  • @up2me967
    @up2me967 11 місяців тому

    It's like meter can be devided in infinet peaces how ever there is a point of sharp denineshing return that gets almost exponential. Harsh trouth. But u can look amazing as a natty!

  • @Esodum
    @Esodum 11 місяців тому +12

    Unfortunately i got most of my injuries even before i started wheighlifting. I played Basketball and then competed in Taekwondo for 8 years before i started wheiglifting. Mobility training takes a lot of my time, it's like 60% of the free time lifting and 40% of the time doing mobility. With that said: it helped me very much to understand that my limit is different than others. It's about reaching the maximum i can with what i have. I couldn't do deep squats with 1/4 of my wheing when i started, now i can do it with 1.25x my wheight. Just collect the small victories and aim to improve.

    • @stephen8996
      @stephen8996 11 місяців тому

      Weight******"

    • @Anandfulness
      @Anandfulness 11 місяців тому

      ​@@stephen8996its actually wheylifting

  • @Carefaceeeee
    @Carefaceeeee 11 місяців тому +6

    Depends on how you see it. There is a natural limit to some extent ....but not if you live for 500 years. But lets be serious some people have been training hard and progressive for like 50 years and the last 40 they have gained 1kg mayby.

    • @questionableethnicity2268
      @questionableethnicity2268 11 місяців тому +2

      Yeh but but by the same token some many people fall into a permanent comfort zone when they train for long enough, which isn't really indicative of a true physical limit.

    • @TheGoldenPower_
      @TheGoldenPower_ 11 місяців тому +2

      ​@@questionableethnicity2268stole the words out of my mouth. That was going to be my reply, majority of people you meet in the gym who are in good shape aren't totally trying to put in the effort to surpass where they got to years ago. I know plenty who want to maintain, I'll never understand it myself but on that front those are the people who put on maybe 5 to 10 lb of muscle across 30 years and never particularly put more on.

    • @kren4449
      @kren4449 11 місяців тому

      You can't live to 500 and after a certain age you will start to get weaker&smaller.

  • @NaturalIntensity69
    @NaturalIntensity69 11 місяців тому +4

    There's definitely a natural limit, else we'd all take 5-6 cycles and maintain that size. However the moto alone that there's no natty limit is powerful, especially for the younger generations now that need the natty hope in order to keep them of gear more than ever.

    • @proximacentauri3627
      @proximacentauri3627 11 місяців тому +1

      Not a logical point. When you stop gear, natural T production is compromised, androgen receptors are less sensitive.

    • @NaturalIntensity69
      @NaturalIntensity69 11 місяців тому +2

      @@proximacentauri3627 That's the exact point, there is a natural limit predicated by hormone levels you can only get so big with your individual genetic factors, myostatin, testosterone, bone structure etc. Also when you jump off gear your androgen receptors actually become more sensitive hence why cycles typically only go for about 16-20 weeks.

  • @chicago618
    @chicago618 11 місяців тому

    Also keep in mind that Steve Reeves also contracted malaria while serving our country overseas. He got very sick and lost good weight. He recovered of course but I have to imagine the setback may have kept him from training as continuous as he would have liked.

  • @NitheredMercenary
    @NitheredMercenary 11 місяців тому +12

    Hey GVS, have you ever considered releasing your books in a paperback format? It think Hersovyac has talked a bit about self-publishing lately. I think there would be a lot of people interested in getting physical copies. As for the video: while I think Jeff Nippard gives a lot of quality information for free, and his stuff is just plainly entertaining to watch due to high production value, he seems like a person who loves to be right and even if he is not attacking the opposing worldview straight and don't participate in drama much, he is rather close-minded and dosen't look kindly on anything that isn't the general consensus.

    • @roycegarvin
      @roycegarvin 11 місяців тому +4

      It’s just toxic to put a limit on people like he does. People watch him and have been training 2 years and are like “I reached muh limit”.
      Then you watch guys like GVS, BOM, Hersovyac, and Alex to cleanse your palate of that garbage.

  • @BrandoTheMando87
    @BrandoTheMando87 11 місяців тому

    My home gym and using meal prep companies has saved me from these little gains stealing goblins aka my young children. It is possible Dads it just takes extra thought and effort. The sleep part is the only variable where you have little control over, but you just have to focus on controlling what you can control.

  • @mikelutti8501
    @mikelutti8501 10 місяців тому

    I have a family and kids bro 5:45 and I assure you buddy I will reach my natural limit . It's all about the work ethic and mindset

  • @dirtyredtheboxinghead3231
    @dirtyredtheboxinghead3231 11 місяців тому

    Prepare the Altar

  • @richardtrass
    @richardtrass 11 місяців тому +1

    I think you need a dip belt GvS. That holding the DB with the legs is no fun.

  • @leoerus
    @leoerus 11 місяців тому +6

    I've returned to the intermediate state 3 times over my training career. Its been about 4 years. Why? I kept getting injured. Ive torn literally 9 separate areas in my body. Im way smarter than I was before but man its not worth going crazy. The diminishing returns I got from going overboard were never worth getting injured and losing tons of progress that then took me a even longer to get back. Had I never fucked up and got myself hurt Id be so much further. Its something I think of often. Gotta be smarter, gotta listen to your body, gotta do better.
    Some guys, like myself, are in it for the long haul but take it too far. Its 100% ok to hold yourself back if it means you are able to be consistent. Some people need to be pushed to train hard, others need to be held back so they dont go to far.

    • @FrogmortonHotchkiss
      @FrogmortonHotchkiss 11 місяців тому

      Agreed. Take it from someone who had seemed injury-proof for many, many years: anyone can push it too far and get hurt.

  • @SaturnReturns
    @SaturnReturns 11 місяців тому +3

    As a father and someone who does manual labor I can say I still make great gains. But it does require extra effort and you are going to miss a day here and there. Mainly getting up very early in the morning and training is the switch I had to make.

    • @stephen8996
      @stephen8996 11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah I'm a dad and I work 65 hours per week at a physical job. I still get to the gym after or before work and then Sunday morning. So I don't care to hear other people's excuses

    • @SaturnReturns
      @SaturnReturns 11 місяців тому +1

      @@stephen8996 Agreed brother. Keep it up.

  • @BluegillGreg
    @BluegillGreg 11 місяців тому +1

    Like Spock always said, "Lift long and prosper..." or something like that.

  • @davidborger9711
    @davidborger9711 11 місяців тому

    As I see it, injury is a 2-fold gain killer:
    obvious one: keeps you away from the gym for a certain period, during which you'll inevitably lose muscle (at least in your injured area);
    hidden one: the psychological inhibiting of training hard, fearing you'll get injured again

  • @Veg-Power
    @Veg-Power 10 місяців тому

    I am a Powerbuilder, squatting and deadlifting 300 kg raw and natural but I feel like being a beginner still lol no limits in sight soon. My goal is to squat & deadllift over 400 kg raw and squatting 500kg equipped. Never injured myself so far instead one time on purpose to see how I regenerate from that on how bad training is after that. So I tore my abdomen muscles from doing a 400 kg 18 inch deadlift ^^ But I am able to train around that very nicely so far choosing higher reps and using a belt. More problematic are my hip joints atm forcing me to work more in the 5-12 rep range and for now not doing pure strength focused 1-3 reps with the hip dominant lifts. arms are at 46 cm without pump so far but I just focused on strength until now with 45 kg dumbbell curl max.
    I train beyond fatigue and tiredness like a maniac (learned that from my long distance running in the past), most of the time 4-5 hours a day 5-6 times a week but I take long breaks iof 10-15 minutes in between very heavy sets and I need 5-6 warm up sets to get to the really heav sets. If a muscle is failing I just switch the eercise and train it even further, after that choosing just another exercise until everything is squeezed out of it ^^ Takes a long time. I eat everything in my way, 6000 kcal, sometimes less, sometimes even up to 10.000 or more and everything vegan.
    I have no traning-log but somehow I do remember everything from the last training and also frome some training sessions before. Also I just "feel" what weight and RPE to use to grow. In my head I also keep track in which ~8 week block I am.

  • @kamo7293
    @kamo7293 10 місяців тому

    "honey it's parent day, where are you"
    "setting a new squat pr"

  • @TheTyroofToriyama
    @TheTyroofToriyama 10 місяців тому

    The Kylo Ren memes were golden... Almost in tall order... I'd choose them as my first order

  • @jsmith108
    @jsmith108 11 місяців тому +5

    Steve Shaw says he has NEVER seen a natural break Dr. Casey Butts natural limit calculations

  • @mateoedwin4202
    @mateoedwin4202 11 місяців тому

    Vernon Davis year around looked like a bodybuilder, dude was ripped, same as Patrick Willis

  • @BakiHanma-mr2upoo
    @BakiHanma-mr2upoo 11 місяців тому

    The sky’s the limit

  • @ryandalessandro4139
    @ryandalessandro4139 11 місяців тому

    I’ll say, you’re noticeably bigger than when I started watching the channel a little over a year ago imo

  • @aliabdulredha386
    @aliabdulredha386 11 місяців тому +1

    I have an interesting topic, what do u think of the recent recommendations that if ur going to failure u only do 1-2sets per exercise no matter the exercise and that further increases per exercise have worst stimulus to fatigue ratio as in ur better off just doing another exercise to hit the muscle from a different angle instead of adding more sets to the same exercise. How do u go about this recommendation. and that on avg most people will responde best to 8-12 sets to failure per muscle group per week. is that even accurate? That what seems to be the high intensity science based guys nowadays. Just thought Would be an interesting topic that u might consider talking about

  • @bambostarla6259
    @bambostarla6259 11 місяців тому +4

    Steve reeves is still goal physique. He looked insane, and his proportions were top notch. Wide shoulders, tight waist, proportionate arms and legs

    • @NorbertDz
      @NorbertDz 11 місяців тому +1

      definitely achievable for most people

  • @TheSunbroyt
    @TheSunbroyt 11 місяців тому

    Holy fuck man, that upperbody is just insane

  • @Not-Lunar
    @Not-Lunar 11 місяців тому +2

    Haven't watched the video, but I wanted to thank you for being a great inspiration Geoff 🙏

  • @ivvan497
    @ivvan497 11 місяців тому

    That exercise near the end of the vid... Is that regular db bp or did he add fly to it?

  • @dirkdiggler5581
    @dirkdiggler5581 11 місяців тому

    5:26 AYO THAT WAS PERSONAL 😂 I’m on a bulk at all costs tho so its all good 🤣

  • @kevindadswell603
    @kevindadswell603 11 місяців тому +9

    I am an old man (53) so I know your advice to train like an old man is solid. I have continued to add muscle even at my ripe old age by going close to failure but not killing myself.

    • @5adne55
      @5adne55 11 місяців тому +4

      53 here and agree. Been lifting since 1988.

    • @iaamara8434
      @iaamara8434 11 місяців тому +2

      whoa, I will be 30 soon and I aspire to continue lifting like you

    • @scottcalvert2537
      @scottcalvert2537 11 місяців тому

      I’m 60 and heavier and leaner than ever. I protect that hour in the morning in my home gym with my life because it is my life.

    • @DANA-lx8cv
      @DANA-lx8cv 11 місяців тому

      You really think 53 is old? I'm 51 and bigger and stronger than I have ever been, and I've been hitting it hard and heavy at the gym for 30 years. Making great gains and hitting quite a few big all time PR's in the last couple of years.

    • @kevindadswell603
      @kevindadswell603 11 місяців тому +2

      @@DANA-lx8cv Not really. In the gym, people think I'm ancient, though.

  • @kurthanson7522
    @kurthanson7522 11 місяців тому

    children & injuries kill gains 🙌

  • @cupikmen338
    @cupikmen338 11 місяців тому

    3:52 Definately best part of the video 😀

  • @exosisyphus
    @exosisyphus 4 місяці тому

    There is no natural limit.
    There is the ultimate natty potential

  • @ayda2876
    @ayda2876 11 місяців тому

    5:36 BASED ASF

    • @ayda2876
      @ayda2876 11 місяців тому

      needs to be said way more often

  • @zakazan8561
    @zakazan8561 11 місяців тому

    the natural limit is hit when the time for a muscle to recover exceeds the time it takes to atrophy, so about 3 weeks. Once it takes you 3 weeks to recover a muscle group, you are at your natural limit. I don't know of anyone that has hit this though, so it's a moot point.

  • @ew-zd1th
    @ew-zd1th 11 місяців тому

    Do you think the high caloric surplus which you ve done to gain the around i think 3kg of muscle? (Correct me if ibam wrong) is one of the reason forbtjia crazy muscle gainz?

  • @Abdo.R.Mohamed
    @Abdo.R.Mohamed 11 місяців тому

    Guys , anyone knows what's the name of the 1hour compilation video GVS made a while ago of all his edits since he started out ?
    I can't find it ..
    (Also , F the Natural Limit , and how much u guys gained from learning more over the past few years shows that)

  • @shakyasajesh
    @shakyasajesh 11 місяців тому

    Are their any protocols u undergo to prevent injuries

  • @conlangknow8787
    @conlangknow8787 10 місяців тому

    Its bulking season, there is roughly 12300kcal and 700g of protein in a newborn baby, choose your next meal wisely

  • @joaoalves9330
    @joaoalves9330 4 місяці тому

    Hey I have a question regarding the Ronnie Coleman thing. What if it’s actually possible to look like Ronnie Coleman naturally it’s just something we’d never reach due to lack of time? Imagine if you lifted at your peak for 300 years maybe then you could look like Ronnie maybe? What do you think?

  • @mr.potatohead6138
    @mr.potatohead6138 11 місяців тому +2

    How about if you only got half of your potential by the time you hit 45 years old, can you attain some of that missed potential after 45-50?

    • @GVS
      @GVS  11 місяців тому +2

      For sure.

  • @toptextbottomtext3062
    @toptextbottomtext3062 11 місяців тому +4

    Haven't you noticed that videos like these always attract a specific type of person? There are these guys who seem personally offended at anyone even mildly critiquing the idea of a natural limit, almost as if it was like a serious political or religious belief they hold? It's really weird imho.