Who was Memnon? | Ethiopian Hero of the Trojan War
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- We know him as one of the great heroes of the Trojan war, who led his numerous Aethiopian army in aid of Ilion. But who was really Memnon, and what's the story behind this famed warrior? In this episode, we talk about the life and death of the first African hero of Greek mythology.
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And Hollywood left him out of the movie Troy. Shame!
Racism is real
hum, I wonder why?
@@paragon7atl Hollywood messed up Troy in terms of accuracy to the Iliad. Menelaus dies and the gods are shunned in the movie and don't take direct part in it. AMO Pankration talks heavily about it. Hell they left out Diomedes, my favorite hero!
@@psommorr Hey. I'll take your word for it.
Why are we surprised...? A select few overstand the malicious intent in white-washing history or...bleaching out raw truths that undermine the (mis)educational agenda of Memnon-like peoples via influential platforms which (re)assert these stories.
Respectfully ✌️
There are really a lot of incredible carachters from the Iliad wich are always forgotten by the media...what a pity
The thing is that Memnon is not mentioned by Homer in the Iliad. Looks to me you have not read the Epic Poem.
@@EudaimonVTrue, Homer mentions him in the Odicea.
@@j.manzueta188 exactly plus Memnon is NOT described being a African Nubian character in Hellenic mythology.
The mythical kingdom of Aethiopia has nothing to do with Africa.
It doesn't exist in African history mythology or culture.
It’s possible that Memnon came from Nubia or Kush (modern day Sudan). Aethiopia was the Greek name for that region.
But I think it's to far for a ally .how did march a army across enemy lands .
@@pontiacpaul1 Kush was under the control of New Kingdom Egypt during the time of the Trojan War. The only way to get to Greece from this region would have to be sailing up the Red Sea, into the gulf of Suez, and into the Nile delta through many of the ports located there. The Egyptians have maintained ports with traders coming to and from the Aegean Sea.
@@freakrx2349 but why were they allies with people so far away with no proof of trade except with Greeks during that time.i think its a later creation added to story to make it seem more like a world war .
@@pontiacpaul1 Memnon was most likely a mercenary. He was one of the Medjay who were skilled Nubian archers that were hired by not just Egypt but also subsequent foreign armies. It’s also worth pointing out that despite being occupied by Egypt, there were still rebellions by the Nubian/Kushite tribes and nobility.
@@freakrx2349 back then Egypt hired. Greeks as mercenaries plus they had ships I think story about memnon is bullshit in oldest text no mentionuntill around 500 BC.
perfect video, thanks!‼
THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS CONTENT SIR. I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THIS. I WISH YOU MUCH SUCCESS. PEACE
Unfortunately it's not 100% accurate
Memnon is NOT a Ethiopian or African warrior.
Aethiopica (Αἰθιοπικά in 'ancient' Greek,Αιθιοπικά in 'modern' Greek "Ethiopian History") or Theagenes and Cariclea, is a novel in ancient Greek divided into ten books and written by Heliodorus of Emesa ( hemesa hemsa Homs )(2nd or 4th century).The Aethiopica tells the story of an Ethiopian princess and a Thessalian prince who undergo a series of perils (battles, voyages, piracy, abductions, robbery, and torture) before their eventual happy marriage in the heroine’s homeland
A lot of great, historical content! Btw - when are you going to make a film about Sarpedon and the Lycians?
Sarpedon is definitely on the list! In fact, he might be one of the next few videos!
Could Emathion and Memnon be somehow related to Makeda, queen of Sheba, who was in alliance with king Salomon? Makeda was originally of Ethiopian origin. I think Memnon could be her ancestor.
@@Seaserpent1105 Well No because they are in the Hellenic epic that Homer wrote. In real life they would not have had those names they would have been different people. The Memnon this video is talking about is a Trojan hero king of Aethiopia. He was not African black. His parents were Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon. This is not a African story or mythos but Hellenic.
and his cousin Glaucos? and their servants? and their second cousins? and their wives? got my point, doofus?
Always wanted to know more about this guy.
Did you know that Perseus' wife, Andromeda was from Ethiopia (Sudan) and she wasn't from Argos or Joppa!
She was not from Ethiopia.
Ethiopia didn't exist as a country back then like we know it now.
She is not a black African character nor is she describe as one.
She is queen of the Aethiopis people.
Aethiopis is a Hellenic word used by Hellens only to describe the people living South of Egypt because of there black skin complexion.
She is not described being an Aethiopis herself.
Glad I could help.
@@EudaimonV Æthiopia was in the south of Nubia!
@@alejandrosakai1744 Aethiopia was not a country.
Aethiopia is a Hellenic word used ONLY by Hellens to refer to All black African people with African features living mostly South of Egypt. Like I said before.
The word and term Nubia didn't exist back then. The word Nubia came from the Romen period in the 4th century AD as did the term Africa.
Before that it was referred as The kingdom of Kush.
Aethiopis was used to describe any African with African characteristics and features.
The people living there didn't call themselves Aethiopians.
Aethiopis means Burnt Face.
Do you understand now?
@@alejandrosakai1744 Andromeda is NOT a Aethiopis women. Nor is Memnon described being Aethiopis.
They are NOT in African history mythology or culture.
They are Hellenic Heroes.
In Hellenic Poems.
Created by Hellenic Scholar's.
Based on Hellenic Mythology.
Related to Hellenic Culture.
@@alejandrosakai1744 glad I could help.
Here, here: super unusual but nonetheless interesting request! Can you do research and video on Mycenaean diet and potential differences in food between social classes?! :D
Interesting request and no doubt a challenging task! I will save the request and try to do it in 2022.
I would love to see a good movie or tv show based on his exploits.
Well it would be good but I'm afraid they are going to make it like Netflix series of Troy and black wash everything.
@@EudaimonV Well he was black..
Thank you. Keep it coming
Thank you Branko, appreciate the support! Many more stories on the Trojan war heroes are coming.
Why my previous comment posting ancient sources on Memnon by Diodorus of Sicily deleted?
Τι είπε ο Διόδωρος?
It's crazy that he actually existed. Evidence concluded that there were statues created in Egypt paying homage to Menon. A black warrior that was a rival to a Greek one is pretty cool.
No , the 2 colossus has nothing to do with the Memnon the Hellenic hero in the Iliad. But of Amenhotep the 3d , grandfather of Tutankhamun.
@@EudaimonV I stand corrected
@@ant1724 Plus to add about Memnon was not a African black warrior. Son of Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon. Eos and Tithonus Left Troy and established a kingdom in Aethiopia. Memnon was born there and became king of Aethiopia. when the war came to Troy, Priam sends a message to his nephew Memnon to aid Troy in the war and Memnon replies because of family , bloodline and for the lands of his Father. That's how Homer relates Memnon Hero of Troy King of Aethiopia with the war of Troy. In the Epic that Homer wrote and created Memnon , the Iliad does not depict Memnon being African black.
@@EudaimonV there were possibly multiple Menons whom lived. One particular that I'm familiar with is that of the Ethiopian king whom sided with the Trojans.
@@ant1724 Well I am talking about that one as well. The Aethiopian king son of Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon. Who aided Troy and killed by Achilles. He was not African black but his ancestors were Hellenic From the Mediterranean sea olived skin people. He ruled over Aethiopis.
Dad just got dna test back i am 10% Ethiopian. Scottish irish icelandic and british
Why??
Great video, cool you covered Memnon.
It's good but misleading the people a little with pictures that don't relate to Memnon and people think he was African black.
@@EudaimonV Because he was.
@Eudaimon knew I found you here, too. Yeah you really have a problem. Sad is that you can't seem to understand that.
@@jedimastermacewindu6930no he wasnt
He is from sudan 🇸🇩
First .Wrong. Omg. There was no Sudan back then.
Second we was not African or African black for that matter. He is the son of Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon. Two Mediterranean olived skin parents don't make a black African baby. He was Hellen. Just because he was born there doesn't make him African or black for that matter.
Bro stop it so what is helen? Too late for rply sorry but tell me the whole story you cant just say he is helen olive skin tell me the whole story
The first☝️ human being is found in Ethiopia , so we're all came from Africa/Ethiopia . It is what it is 🤷♂️.
What do you mean?? What does the first human being has to do with Memnon or Hellenic history mythology or culture? Memnon Achilles Andromeda Heracles Zeus Apollo ect are not even described being Aethiopis black or Africans.
Exactly
The term Aithiops was generally applied to Nubians and other peoples who dwelt above the equator, between the Atlantic Ocean and the Indian Ocean, being derived from the Greek words αἴθω and ὤψ (aitho 'I burn' + ops 'face'), translating as burnt-face in noun form and red-brown in adjectival form, as a reference to the Black African natives of the Kingdom of Kush.[13] Homer says the Ethiopians live "at the world's end, and lie in two halves, the one looking West and the other East,"[14] an idea echoed by Ovid, who located Ethiopia next to India, close to where the sun rises each day.
This is modern BS to make modern african americans mostly feel some type of confidence in their lacking history and identity, when you look deeper into the history Ethiopia was a powerful empire that stretched far beyond todays Ethiopia. However the Ethiopian race is the royal class of cush, this is the reason the Egyptians look like they do and is was in fact an Ethiopian colony as stated by the Egyptians themselves. Ethiopia is old, very ancient. Instead of stealing identity be proud of the African history and recognise your leaders of the continent. The fruits of the culture and people show their colours and character. Ethiopia doesn't mean burnt face either, it means and stand for Serpent or dragon of wise customs or character /ethics. And when looking at the customs and moral code of my people you will se this is true.
Aweseon video!
Well it has a lot of misleading. For example the pictures. Dose not explain. And it confuses people thinking that Memnon was African black.
Yap he is the kind👑👑 From Land of origin ethiopia 🇪🇹 🇪🇹🇪🇹🇪🇹Thanks for the video man 🙏🙏🙏🙏
He was not African black or Ethiopian for that matter in the Iliad.
yes Memnon was Ethiopian king he was brave warrior in the world
No he is not an Ethiopian king. His title is Memnon Hero of Troy king OF THE Aethiopis. Memnon is not a African black hero. Nor does he have anything to do with African history mythology or culture.
@@EudaimonV huh, is that what they tell you?
@@yonas2828 AAA no just read the story. It doesn't say anything about Memnon being Aethiopis black or having African features or characteristics.
@@yonas2828 plus he is NOT in African history mythology or culture.
@@yonas2828 No one says he is a Aethiopis black or African hero. No One.
I think ethiopia is the kingdom of kush
Well Ethiopia didn't exist as a country back then like we know it now. Memnon is not a African Hero. The word Aethiopis was used by Hellens to describe the people living South of Egypt because of there black skin complexion Aethiopis means Burnt Face. Memnon is not described being Aethiopis. In real life it was the kingdom of Kush. But that is irrelevant to the story of the Trojan war.
@@EudaimonVaxum empire! Read.
@@williamshakespeare9797 Yes.... what about the kingdom of Axum?? Irrelevant to Memnon and to the story. Plus the kingdom of Axum came in the 1st century AD a thousand years later from Memnon's time.
I believe you should educate yourself more and do better research.
Ethiopia didn't exist as a country back then like we know it now.
The word Aethiopis is a Hellenic word used ONLY by Hellens to describe the land and people living South of Egypt because of there black skin complexion.
The people living there didn't call themselves Aethiopians.
Aethiopis means Burnt Face.
South of Egypt at that time was the kingdom of Kush.
Read.
Africa is rich and beautiful in its own stories of God's Heroes history mythology and culture like Sango Dorobo Mansa Musa Oluron Ananci Mauw Eshu Saka Imhotep Amun Osiris Ra ect Egypt the kingdom of Kush Nubia the legends of Yoruba the kingdom of Axum tribes of Zulu the empire of Mali ect.
No need to claim Hellenic culture.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
@@williamshakespeare9797 Read and educate yourself better.
Stop embarrassing yourself and honour African culture by learning about real African stories about African culture.
@@williamshakespeare9797 Glad I could help you.
Now you know.
achilles didn`t die in the same battle, duh. He met his demise somewhat later.
Why do I feel like this tale has been twisted
Well it has been twisted orally. Memnon is not African black. His parents were Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon. Memnon hero of Troy King of Ethiopia.
@@EudaimonV Yes he was MOST CERTAINLY was black Homer even mentions this when he said before King Memnon Greeks thought Black Skinned People where Myths
@@davidneal3889 Nope. There is no mention or depiction of Memnon being African black. Even in this video the man just says African hero which is wrong his original title is Memnon hero of Troy King of Aethiopia. On the other hand we know and even the video say's who his parents were Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon. Two olives don't make a black. Mediterranean people had olive skin. We know that his mother Eos took Tithonus from Troy and both established a kingdom in Aethiopia and that Memnon was born there. So since his parents were Hellenic how did he came out African???
@@EudaimonV The only person wrong here is you go look at the vases and statues of King Memnon the creater of this video may not have said he was black but look at the pictures he uses man he was black dude quit trying to over think it when the answers our clearly right in front of you
@@davidneal3889 Again sorry to burst your bubbles , But No. The Ethiopian soldier is just a soldier with two Trojans on the right and left showing Memnons departure for Troy. We know how his army was large and since he himself and his family were Hellenic he also had Trojan soldiers as well as Ethiopians with him. It does Not depict Memnon himself. And the head statue is not Memnon Hero of Troy King of Aethiopia but a favourite pupil called Memnon of Herodes Atticus 2nd century ACE an Athenian rhetorician and philanthropic magnate, as well as a Roman senator.. We do not have any depiction of Memnon from 1200 BCE all we have is The Iliad 900 BCE which Homer does not refere to him as being African black but Hellenic and some amphoras from the 7-6th century BCE and none of them depict him as being African black.
One problem. Memnon was A ETHIOPIAN...not ETHIOPIAN. AETHIOPIA was an ancient Greek catch all phrase for Africa. The Greeks tended to lump people together even when it made little sense due to their own mythology. Also pretty much EVERY other person in the world were considered inferior to the Greeks so it's a superiority complex too. It's possible he MAY have been black but with Greek origins at least according to myth that's doubtful. That is if he even really existed which he may not have. He COULD have been a Nubian or Kush at the time mercenary archer though that's ALSO debatable. The fact that Homer never even mentions Memnon is telling. Someone was doing propaganda.
Well first of all Ethiopia didn't exist as a country back then like we know it now.
The word Aethiopis was used by Hellens only to describe the people living South of Egypt to describe every African black person.
Memnon is NOT described being an Aethiopis.
Memnon is of Trojan decent a Hellen. Not African. Not even the word Africa existed back then.
He is a Hellenic mythical character.
NOT Nubia not Kush.
He is NOT in African history mythology or culture.
He is a Hellenic hero in a Hellenic epic poem written by Hellenic scholar's based on Hellenic mythology related to Hellenic culture.
Memnon the son of Trojan prince Tithonus and Eos the goddess of dawn.
Exactly He was not African black.
@@EudaimonV He was king of ethiopians though and he had skin black hue.
@@ktheterkuceder6825 Let me help you out. Give you his back story. Son of Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon. Two Mediterranean olived skin parents don't make a black African baby. Left Troy and treveled to Aethiopia. Aethiopia was not a country back then the word Aethiopia was to describe the people living South of Egypt. Eos would give birth to Memnon there and he will grow up to become king of THE Aethiopians. Just because he was born there doesn't make him African black. He is a Hero of Troy and King of THE Aethiopians. A Hellenic hero in a Hellenic epic poem myth not African nothing to do with African history mythology or culture.
@@EudaimonV South of egypt is nubia genius. Have you seen nubian depiction in ancient egypt art? And yes he was not african but still their king and had black skin. He is son of deities not normal human greeks. He is a demigod. Him being black skinned is not surprising given other anomaly demigods.
@@ktheterkuceder6825 OMG. The Hellens called the region south of Egypt Aethiopia the land of the burnt face men. It was not Nubia or Ethiopia back then. And again No one neither Homer who created the story and the characters in it nor Hesiod In the Theogony nor Quintus who introduces us to Memnon describe him having black skin or having African characteristics nor being African for that matter. But we do know his parents and they were not black. I'm sorry but Memnon is not a African hero or mythology anything. It's a Hellenic epic. He was not African black. He is Memnon Hero of Troy and King of THE Aethiopians. He is not a Aethiopian person.
Your...cadence is very off putting. You say every word / sentence with the same rhythm and it leaves you sounding rather robotic. I'd also suggest maybe getting a filter for your mic because every time you say certain words the sound that comes through makes it sound like your mouth is way too close to the microphone and it's an unpleasant sound.
Trojan War was a Civil War. Between Greek tribes.
I doubt that highly. Too many Anatolian actors involved. Its more likely that they were Luwians who were conquered in the 1700s by greeks, but the ensuing society was something new. There is a change in material culture of Troy at this time and another after it falls in the 1100s. My guess is it was more Anatolian than greek but later greeks made them match what they were. It was mostly spread by Ionians who lived in Anatolia hundreds of years later.
Isn't Memnon be Son of Eos, goddess of dawn? I remember from Illiad, during Memnon's final day Eos wake up very, VERY slow. Zeus was undeceive of winning becuase of Memnon's lineage to Eos.
Memnon is NOT mentioned in the Iliad.
Either way Yes you are correct on he is the son of Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam king of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic pantheon a deity and personification of the Dawn.
The Mythical Kingdom of Aethiopia from Hellenic Mythology has nothing to do with Africa.
Memnon is NOT described believed or depicted as a African Nubian character in Hellenic mythology and culture.
This video is telling the Roman reimagined romanticized and rationalized version of Memnon who they believed he hailed from Africa.
@@user-hq3yv3hy7j 😄 Yeah meant to say HOMER, not Simpson. Also, I seen, Roman being Roman, love to Romanticized foreign greatness and connected them with Hellenic culture. Such Memnon connected with Amennotep III is hilarious. One died like hero, other Death by Obesity.
@@ancaryvan4811 again Homer who created the Iliad does NOT mentioned him in the Iliad.
Only in the Odyssey for a breef moment and don't say anything about his final day.
Again what are you talking about???
You are not making sense.
What is it you are trying to say??
Be specific.
Andromeda was Hittite….so the terminology of eithopia could of been eastern Anatolia.
Perseus and andromeda were consider the progenitors of the Greeks, and Persians.
The sons of Perseus study the tribunal or the judicature systems of the Hittites…..the Hittites were known for their laws.
The term Aithiops was generally applied to Nubians and other peoples who dwelt above the equator, between the Atlantic Ocean and the Indian Ocean, being derived from the Greek words αἴθω and ὤψ (aitho 'I burn' + ops 'face'), translating as burnt-face in noun form and red-brown in adjectival form, as a reference to the Black African natives of the Kingdom of Kush. Homer says the Ethiopians live "at the world's end, and lie in two halves, the one looking West and the other East," an idea echoed by Ovid, who located Ethiopia next to India , close to where the sun rises each day.
Aethiopia was SUDAN 🙄Do you people even read?
@@lf1496 What???
Thank you
Well, thank you!
Sure he was African and not Middle Eastern?
African as from the continent of Africa. I don’t get into ethnicities. In fact, in the video, Memnon is only labeled as Aethiopian.
Diodorus of Sicily says Ethiopia was bordering with Egypt. Egyptian borders at the time were all the way to Kadesh where Hittite Empire ends.
African Ethiopia is too far south of Egypt.
He is ethiopian King 👑 (in amharic neguseee.👑👑) Thanks for the video man 🙏🙏🙏
The term Aithiops was generally applied to Nubians and other peoples who dwelt above the equator, between the Atlantic Ocean and the Indian Ocean, being derived from the Greek words αἴθω and ὤψ (aitho 'I burn' + ops 'face'), translating as burnt-face in noun form and red-brown in adjectival form, as a reference to the Black African natives of the Kingdom of Kush.[13] Homer says the Ethiopians live "at the world's end, and lie in two halves, the one looking West and the other East,"[14] an idea echoed by Ovid, who located Ethiopia next to India, close to where the sun rises each day.
The Middle East is in Africa
In mythology, Memnon was king of Ethiopia, son of Ios and Tithonus , grandson of Laomedon and nephew of Priam. the founding of Susa is attributed to him, Susa was know as Memnonion city after him., and since all of the following : Ios and Tithonus Laomedon and Priam were Greeks so was Memnon. Greeks look like : Combat between Achilles (left) and Memnon (right). Grave amphora. Southern Italy, 330 BC .
Present day Ethiopia has nothing to do with Memnon
That’s strange. It’s not deleted, I can see it!
@@WanaxTV
My apologies. Wasn't visible to me. In the heart of Chicago with T-mobile 5G and losing internet connection many times (T-mobile 🤷) caused that I guess.
Keep up the good work 👍
@@archimedes8078 Yeah, Ethiopia during that time referred to Nubia or present day Sudan, not Absyssnia.
Modern day Ethiopia was part of ancient Aethiopia
Memnon is Amenhotep II who was the pharaoh of Egypt at the time the Trojan war is thought to have been fought. He went to there to save his allies the Hittite empire from a Mycenean invasion. Remember Aethiops is a greek term meaning burnt face, anyone of African heritage could be called Ethiopian by the Greeks
Exactly but that's History and it wasn't a Mycenaean invasion. It was Hittites among each other.
Memnon in the Epic Poems is not an Aethiopis black character. He is NOT described being Aethiopis or having African features or characteristics by anyone. They are confusing history with mythology.
Only ONE thing, Memnon and Amenhotep are not the same person.
Amenhotep is a real Egyptian Pharaoh of Egypt. While the other is a Hellen epic Hero not an Aethiopis himself.
@@EudaimonV Who was at the head of the invasion if not Agamemnon from Mycenae
@@EudaimonV Is the trojan war a myth or something that actually happened?
@@victorokello2407 Ok
First of all a war did happend in that area.
At that time period it was called Wilusa under Hittite rule.
The war was among Hittites.
300 years later Wilusa became a Hellenic city state. Hellens called the city Troy and the region Ilion. Homer traveling learn about the war and was inspired to create the Iliad which comes from the region Ilion. The Iliad is a Epic Poem about a civil war among Hellenic city states. With mythical character's.
Homer's Epic is a story based on a real event but related to Hellenic culture.
Understand?
This part of the legend seems, on first sight, truly legendary in the sense of fantastic embelishment. It's almost unthinkable that any Ethiopian (Black African) monarch would have got involved in a regional war in the Aegean. Nubia, which was the main Ethiopian realm in those days was at the time a province of Egypt.
However I guess it's possible it may reflect an Egyptian contingent of some sort, which may have included Nubian troops and maybe even a Nubian commander which inspires the character of Memnon. After the 1208 "sea peoples" attack (almost certainly a Hittite-led coalition, which included the Ekwesh = Achaeans, among others), Egypt claimed to have counter attacked and destroyed those invaders "in their islands", which, if taken at face value, implies some sort of trans-Mediterranean naval expedition.
Considering that Nuraghic Sardinians (Sherden) and Mycenaean Greeks are clearly proven in terms archaeological to have sailed and traded through all the Mediterranean Sea (from Iberia to Egypt in the Sardinian case, to Iberia in the Greek case), I see no reason why such a major maritime power as was undoubtedly Troy could not have some sort of relation with Egypt, either directly or via their Hittite overlords (or both). While the Tjekker were involved in the last documented "sea peoples" wave (the one led by Greeks labeled Denesh = Danaoi c. 1178 and 1175 BCE), AFAIK they are not documented in the 1208 wave instead, so they could well be in good terms with the Egyptians... until subjugated by the Greeks and the survivors shifting allegiance radically.
In any case I'd go for the possible Egyptian expedition. Reaching from Egypt to Troy was surely complicated enough in those days and maybe the Pharaoh was not sure if he wanted to get involved.
IMO the 1178 and 1175 "sea peoples" wave is clearly an aftershock of the Trojan War (ended c. 1180 BCE) and the Greeks, having gained control over "Helen" (Hellas understood as the Aegean region rather than ethnic Greece as in later times), rallied it in all its complex multi-ethnicity to attack the backers of Troy: the Hittites first and the Egyptians later. It's a plausible interpretation at the very least.
Okay first of all it's a Hellenic myth a Epic Poem. Second Memnon is not a African black monarch. Third Egypt, Nubia or Ethiopia have nothing to do with the story.
@@EudaimonV - Ethiopian means (as used by ancient Greeks) Black African, nothing else. The most common Ethiopians were Nubians but of course there were other countries such as Punt but they were more remote.
So the most reasonable Ethiopian (Black African) to be involved in the Mediterranean would be a Nubian. In 1190-80 BCE, the probably timeline of the Trojan War, Nubia was (and had been for some time) a province of Egypt and that's maybe how the legend of a Nubian contingent and their commander Memnon began.
@@LuisAldamiz Ok First of all it's a myth again not real. Second Ethiopia as a country did not exist back then. Ethiopia was established In 1140. Third it's not Ethiopia it's Aethiopis and yes in Hellenic dose mean burnt face. Forth Nubia is not In the Epic poem. And last it's not a Nubian legend and Memnon is not a Nubian commander. Today In Nubia even Ethiopia they don't know the story of Memnon. Because it's not a African myth it's a Hellenic Epic Poem. Memnon is In Hellenic mythology not African history or mythology or culture. Please respect other civilizations history mythology and culture and do some better research. O and forgot Greece is Hellas there both the same thing.
@@LuisAldamiz Let me help you. Memnon son of Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon left Troy and treveled to Aethiopia the land of the burnt face men. Aethiopis means burnt face. Eos would give birth to Memnon there and he will grow up to become king of THE Aethiopians. Two Mediterranean olived skin parents don't make a black African baby. Just because he was born there doesn't make him African black. Later he would be asked to aid his uncle Priam King of Troy In the war. Memnon is given a armor from Hephaestus and at the end it is Zeus that makes him immortal. In the Epic Poems there is no mention of Memnon having African characteristics No one says that. But they do mention his army of burnt face men (black men) aka Aethiopis. Memnon is not African has nothing to do with African history mythology or culture. Memnon is a Hellenic mythical character, In Hellenic mythology, created by Hellen poets.
@@EudaimonV - Whatever.
I know what Aíthiopes means: black people. It's a well known ethno-geographical trope of antiquity. So what?
Are you claiming that the allegoric mythology was right and that he was actually half Trojan prince and half lesser god?
If Memnon was born in Black Africa (Ethiopia) and reached Troy from Black Africa (Ethiopia), he has all to do with Black Africa (Ethiopia) even if he was white or admixed.
If he was a king or prince, as the legend claims, which was his kingdom, because there was no realm name Ethiopia before Axum conquered Nubia.
He better come to Troy Total War
The toughest thing about being a white archeologist is finding a place to hide all those black noses they chisel off statues!
I'm sorry but your wrong and disrespectful. Stop spreading propaganda.
Lol
@@wankawanka3053 exactly what he is saying is a joke 🤣
Hahaha u are right bro
@@EudaimonV he's right
Herodotus:
There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too. But further and more especially, on the circumstance that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Aethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times.
Irrelevant. Memnon and the Mythical Kingdom of Aethiopia from Hellenic Mythology have nothing to do with sub Saharan Africa.
This guy memnon I hear about a lot lately. But never before and I'm Greek. American.sounds far fetched a black person was in Trojan war .
The image of Memnon that appears on the video is a black-figure pottery style representation from ancient Greece. It does not necessarily reflect Memnon’s skin color, as there are also red-figure pottery representations that depicts Memnon in the same colors as Achilles and other heroes.
I feel ya. Hanibal was an African Man and they depict him as a white man, go figure.
@@Niffdaddy Hannibal was a descendant of the people of Tyre in Phoenicia (as all of people of Carthage being a colony of Tyre), hence he was not black. He would look middle eastern.
@@Niffdaddy you do realise that not everyone in africa is black right
@@wankawanka3053 the majority was what you refer to as being black. Hannibal was damn sure not “white” or of European descent. What’s your point?
I have spoken much on this topic. Get the Shades of Memnon book series and see 9 World Chronicles.
Shades of Memnon is a nice fantasy book. But has nothing to do with the real story of Memnon
Ok I research this .this story is from the aethiopis witch is not from homer and is a lost book and only 6 lines exist I repeat 6 lines lol.dont always believe what u read most story is conjecture written in last 100 years is why most greeks r like where this story come from.
Memnon was of Trojan birth not African. His father was a Trojan Prince and Priam was his uncle. What does that tell you about the Trojans?
That they were Hellens.
What do you mean " what does that tell you about the Trojans"??
What should it tell??
One thing is for sure, Memnon is NOT a black or African hero.
@@EudaimonVwhy was he called a Aethiopian?
@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502 He is not.
He is NOT described being an Aethiopis himself.
But king OF THE Aethiopis people.
His parents are Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam king of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic pantheon who LEFT Troy and TRAVELED to the land of the Aethiopis people and established a kingdom there.
Two Hellenic parents don't make a African baby.
Two Mediterranean olived skin parents don't make a black Aethiopis baby.
Just because he is born there doesn't make him have African features or characteristics.
He is NOT in African history mythology or culture.
@@EudaimonV when was there a Greek king of Ethiopia?
@@EudaimonV why are you assuming that blacks didn’t live in the Mediterranean? They did.
w h y y o u t a l k s o s l o w .
As cool as this character was he never really made sense to me. Why the hell would a African Warlord king waste his resources and men for a city so far away from his reach?
I honestly think Memnon made a bad investment trying to help Troy. Even if he did had relations with Troy, that’s a considerable distance that Memnon and his army probably had to march and sail to.
Of course though, the late Bronze Age was filled with great warriors and heroes trying to make their mark on history and Memnon just happened to be one of them.
Memnon is NOT a African Nubian character in Hellenic mythology.
This video is Propaganda misleading people in believing a lie.
Memnon and the kingdom of Aethiopia have nothing to do with Africa.
Memnon is NOT described being a African Nubian character in Hellenic mythology.
The Mythical kingdom of Aethiopia from Hellenic Mythology has nothing to do with Africa or with the country we know today as Ethiopia.
Now you know.
Glad I could help.
Fact check: Memnon of Aethiopia was, in reality, a fictional character ascribed to a 4th c ad. Writer. See Wikipedia, Dictys Cretensis, author of a pseudo-chronicle of the Trojan War, writes that "Memnon, the son of Tithonus and Aurora, arrived with a large army of Indians ...
THEREFORE PRIAM was BLACK 'melanated'...also
No one was.
What is your source a comic book?
Homer probably took inspiration for Memnon from the Nubian pharaohs of Egypt. In the 8th and 7th centuries BCE, Egyptian pharaohs were black Africans, originally from the southern Nile region usually called Nubia, today called Sudan and Ethiopia.
First of all Homer doesn't mention Memnon at all in the Iliad.
Secondly Memnon is not a African black hero. Memnon doesn't have African characteristics or features.
Do better research.
@@EudaimonV Such anger! I suggest you get help with that.
@@carolgebert7833 what anger hahahaha 🤣 your joking right?? That's your answer? How old are you?
I just stated that you are wrong and suggested that you should do some better research before saying things that don't exist and embarrassing yourself. Hahaha I think you are in denial. " Anger" hahaha nice one.
@@carolgebert7833 Your answer just proves how right i am and how misinformed you are. So I suggest again do some better research and have some respect.
@@carolgebert7833 I hope you understand now and respect Hellenic history mythology and culture. And respect other people in general learn to have a discussion with another human being. Don't say things that are not real that is lying spreading propaganda. And please go read a book to be better informed
If not ...explain HOW MEMNON and PRIAM had allegiance
No. Your wrong.
Memnon is NOT described being Aethiopis, black or African for that matter in the Epic Poems.
He is NOT in African history mythology or culture.
Memnon is a Hellenic Hero.
He is NOT described being Aethiopis or black.
On the other hand since we know his bloodline from his parents.
It's clear he is NOT a African looking man.
He doesn't have African features or characteristics.
Plus Ethiopia didn't exist back then as a country, like we know it now. The title of this video is misleading.
The word is Aethiopis and it is a Hellenic word used ONLY by Hellens to describe the people living South of Egypt because of there black skin complexion.
Aethiopis means Burnt Face.
Memnon is NOT described being an Aethiopis. His original title is.
Memnon Hero of Troy king OF THE Aethiopis people.
Supe have unos días de este gran guerrero lo que no entiendo es que si peleo con Aquiles como el no lo nombran en ninguna de las películas que se han hecho eso no lo entiendo
Ibo Rivera are you upset that the black man is being acknowledged and your Hispanic self has no claim to it?
@@cush5147 NOSOTROS LOS HISPANOS EN PAL DE DÉCADAS EN EL FUTURO VAMOS A ARROPAR EL MUNDO
Some historians who dare to come out of the myth place this probable war in the 14th century BC. And MEMNON would be 2 historical characters of this time: we suspect the king of SUZE on one side and on the other he would be the pharaoh AMENOTEP III who is the character who had conquered as far as Anatolia and could have brought military support to the Trojans
This shows how ancient Egypt was compared with Greece. The Illiad is thought to date about 762 BCE. Amenhotep III reigned in the 14th century BCE==1350 BCE. Hundreds of years earlier and so could be the basis of the myth of Memnon at Troy. The Colossi of Memnon at Luxor that the Greeks and Romans identified with the mythological Memnon were actually statues of Amenhotep III. The Colossi are 3,400 years old.
You are confusing history with mythology.
Memnon has nothing to do with Africa.
He does NOT exist in African history mythology or culture.
There is no evidence that the Egyptians were ever near that area, they could not beat the Hittites to get into Anatolia let alone all the way to Troy.
@@jaybe2908 exactly plus Memnon has nothing to do with Egypt Nubia Ethiopia over all Africa for that matter.
@@EudaimonV You know that having to react in a historical debate requires bases, bases that you don't seem to have.
It is not enough to have hatred for Africans to react to a historical debate. you need a little knowledge, the historical basis of the readings that nourish the intelligence. Do you already know the myth of Memnon before intervening here? You seem very ignorant
@@jaybe2908 What is your historical reference? You are basing yourself on a period concerning a specific king Ramses II, that is to say a period after the great conquests of Amenhotep III, under Akhenaton the borders of the Egyptian occupation receded and allowed the rise of small regional powers such as the Hittites, so you have to contextualize your interventions.
Ramses II inherited a letting go of more than 100 years in the area of Anatolia and the Middle East which allowed the rise of small kingdoms such as the Hittites or Mitania. But under Amenhotep III part of Anatolia and all of Mitania is under Egyptian influence. But guys you have to have a minimum of historical knowledge before coming to intervene. The detestation of the African is not an argument.
Aethiops meant: Burnt Face
At 5;40 we see 7 arms candle holders that are from jewish rituals. What do you mean with such mistake about Troy ?
What do you mean with your irrelevant comment. Jews have nothing to do with the story of Troy.
@@EudaimonV Mixing troyans with a jewish candle holder is your problem. You didn't answer the question.
@@Friedermanns first of all your question is not clear.
Secondly it's just a candle holder. Nothing to do with Jewish religion. It just looks like the Jewish one. Irrelevant to Memnon and the story. You are making a big deal out of nothing.
@@EudaimonV Really? It is not accurate to mix cowboys with french kings. If you made a mistake, be honest to assume it and the comments that show it. Irrelevant is the way you argue my clear comment. Bye, bye !
@@Friedermanns First of all it's not my video to fix or agree to something that is NOT referenced in the video. Therefore making your statement Irrelevant.
It's just a candle holder.
It's not mixing anything together it doesn't refer to the candle holder as "the Jewish candle holder with the Olympian God's". Therefore making it just a ordinary candle holder. Nothing more nothing less.
You are making a big deal out of nothing.
And stop giving bad examples.
Use your brain and look pass the candle holder.
The creater of this video just took different pictures, edited them together to present a dinner table. That's it.
so who is agamenon. if this is memnon
lol
Were not supposed to know it all lad, so you'll have to search for yourself
priest was black that was his nephew. or else y would he just go thier
Let me help you. Agamemnon was King of Mycenae. Memnon King of THE Aethiopians. Two different people. Aethiopia was not a country back then as we know it now as Ethiopia. The word Aethiopis means burnt face the name was created by the Hellens to describe the people living South of Egypt because of there darker skin complexion. No one was a African black character. Memnon did not have African characteristics. He is the son of Tithonus brother to Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon they left Troy and treveled to the land of the burnt face men Aethiopia. Two Mediterranean olived skin parents don't make a black African baby. Memnon was born there and he will grow up to become king of THE Aethiopians. Just because he was born there doesn't make him African black. Memnon would then later would be asked by his uncle Priam King of Troy for add for the war. And because they are related through bloodline, family and to protect the land of his father Tithonus, that Is why Memnon went to War for Troy and given the title Memnon Hero of Troy King of THE Aethiopians.
Guess who's comming to total war troy
It never happened but it was a great poem story
Unfortunately it's not clear (the tile is wrong "Ethiopian king" his original title is Memnon Hero of Troy king OF THE Aethiopis people, the pictures are wrong showing a Aethiopis head statue which is irrelevant to Memnon hero of Troy. The head statue is of a pupil of Herodes Atticus he called Memnon) therefore misleading people to believe that Memnon is a African black hero an Aethiopis, which he was not.
Αγαμεμνων....
Λάθος
Here is some more interesting things about this story. Follow me. We will start with a standard. The Bible… if it’s truly important… it there.. Noah had 3 sons. Japheth. Ham, and Shem. Cush… the son of Ham, fathered Nimrod. Nimrod and Memnon are from the same place. Egypt and the Nile are all dependents of Ham. This is probably the same family.
Moving on to other scripture…. You’ll love this.
In the book of Jasher, it states that Nimrod was called to battle to defend his family. Who were at war with the sons of Japheth. And they were winning. Nimrod gathered actually 800 fighters I think… and marched to the battle and were victorious. Nimrod then was crowned king of all. Over all the sons of Noah. The only problem with the Iliad is that it says Achilles kills memnon. Who I’m saying is Nimrod. BUT! It also says Zues brought him back and made him immortal. Nimrod built the Tower of Babel. Provoking God in some way. Evil to the core. They said his rule was worse then all. Another thing to consider… Susa… was the city of Memnon… in the same area of the Tower of Babel. He was a hero… died… and was resurrected by Zues/Satan. First anti christ. Abraham was born not long after. Theses events took place inside the first 333 years after the flood.
There is another thing I’ve noticed…. Cush… son of ham had some sons.. the Bible states their names…. Then it says Cush begot Nimrod. But it’s not the same as his other sons. Nimrod is different…. What if Memnon was actually Cush, and when Cush was resurrected by zues he became Nimrod.
Stop misleading people spreading propaganda.
It's Unethical.
Memnon has nothing to do with Noah or the Bible.
Please spell ,ΑΙΘΙΟΠΊΑ
I like you
an ethiopian involvment wouldnt make any sense in that war
Why the hell not !? It's showing us history, the Nations used Africans for warfare.
He wasn't Ethiopian omg didn't you here the video. His parents Tithonus and Eos . Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam King of Troy son to Laomedon and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon. His uncle Priam asked Memnon to add Troy. Memnon was King of Ethiopia. It makes sense if you listen and read carefully.
@@EudaimonV LOL .... There vase depicting him as black LITERALLY. what wrong bum afraid eurocentric world is crashing , hey white knight was Andromeda white ?
@@nilevalleyafrican9451 I'm sorry but no . The vase dose not depict Memnon himself but show's his army departure from Ethiopia. I'm asking you this we know who his parents were Tithonus a prince of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon how can he be African black.? Plus his name is written in Hellenic plus the Gods of the Hellenic Pantheon. And again I'm sorry Andromeda was not African black. Geneticlly it's impossible.
@@EudaimonV that was a quick response lol ur nothing but a troll ... I can show you videos and historical evidence of Greeks diefying Africans... How is it genetically impossible when it's all mythos, did you not see the thumbnail of this video ??? Memnon 😧
On the map you show Ethiopia at the plAce of Nubia. Other information is also wrong. Not credible at all.
Omg. Because Ethiopia didn't exist as a country back then like we know it now nor did Nubia.
Aethiopis is a Hellenic word used by Hellens only to describe the people living South of Egypt because of there darker skin complexion.
Aethiopis means Burnt Face.
Do some research.
Plus Memnon is NOT a African, black or Ethiopian hero.
@@EudaimonVhey weirdo if aethiopia was used by the hellens why are you telling people ethiopia didn't exist bact then ? Obviously they are describing a race of people ...
@@nilevalleyafrican9451 Oboy.
Again the mythical kingdom of Aethiopia has nothing to do with Africa.
Secondly there never existed a kingdom of Aethiopia in Africa.
Thirdly it was Herodotus who determined and gave the people and unknown Landscape South of Egypt and Libya the name as a Geographical Term not as a kingdom.
The empire of Ethiopia was established in 1275 AD by Yekuno Amlak.
Focus.
Do better.
@@nilevalleyafrican9451like I have said before.
If you want to believe in the later reimagined romanticized and rationalized Roman version of Memnon and the kingdom of Aethiopia. Good for YOU.
But In Hellenic mythology and culture Memnon and the mythical kingdom of Aethiopia from Hellenic Mythology have nothing to do with Africa.
@@nilevalleyafrican9451 so the fact remains that the mythical kingdom of Aethiopia from Hellenic Mythology has nothing to do with Africa.
Finally you understand.
1.first Ethiopia is in the horn of Africa!
2.second Ethiopia means not burnt face there are many theories about that!
3.The fact that ''Africa was called Ethiopia''does not mean that Africa was Ethiopia!
Aethiopis is a Hellenic word used ONLY by Hellens to describe the lands and people living South of Egypt and Libya because of there darker skin complexion.
Aethiopis means Burnt Face.
Memnon is NOT described being a Aethiopis African hero.
The kingdom of Aethiopia in Hellenic mythology is a Mythical kingdom and has nothing to do with Africa.
Memnon and the kingdom of Aethiopia do NOT exist in African history mythology or culture.
@@EudaimonV did you delet my reply?
@@esraeltamrat6346 nope I can't delete another person's reply.
Probably UA-cam or the owner of the video.
Why??
ua-cam.com/video/kbiT3fzTOvM/v-deo.html
@@esraeltamrat6346 Now you know.
Glad I could help.
Ask the withocraty in Hollywood.
Haha, Hollywood does not make the truth, it only makes faith. Even Andromeda was described as an Ethiopian princess (Cushite / Nubian), but Hollywood made her a white woman in her films.
@@alisae3465 first of all Andromeda is NOT described being Ethiopian in Hellenic mythology.
Secondly neither is Memnon.
They don't exist in Kushite/Nubian/Ethiopian and in general African history mythology or culture.
Do some research.
Educate yourself.
And don't insult Hellenic culture.
Have some respect.
Aethiopia is the modern day of Sudan ?
Ahh that's why then that man has flat nose lol 😅😆
We ETHIOPIANS do not own flat nose we are pointy .
Yeah, I don't think Aethiopia is the same place as modern day Ethiopia. I think it was a name for a place like Nubia, or Kush, which were active in the Mediterranean at the time and former rulers of Egypt. Ethiopia of today was most likely the "mythical" land of Punt mentioned by the Egyptians. Nubuians were in demand mercenaries of the day too. Some of the best archers the world had seen at that point a contingent of them could easily turn the tide of battle.
@@talyn3932 okay i respect you
But it's all full of mystery
@@eyyen8233 indeed. It would be great to know.
It doesn't matter Memnon was not African black or Ethiopian for that matter in the Iliad.
@@EudaimonV dude. Give it up. Its your opinion that you are only basing off of your interpretation of translated fiction. There are other sources relevant to this that disagree with you and your narrow interpretation isnt the only one out there. Just give it a rest.
lol there was no ethiopia in history never existed
Thank you. They are confusing the word Aethiopia with the modern country Ethiopia. Two Totally Different things. And they think that Memnon was a African black person.
@@EudaimonV
memnon is not African name it's Arabic name means literally grateful
@@messianic_scam but it's not a Arabic name. Memnon was not Arabic.
@@EudaimonV
it's pure arabic name but as the character if it was real or not not sure
@@messianic_scam No it's not a Arabic name. It's clearly a Hellenic one just like Agamemnon. It's in a Hellenic epic poem created by Hellen poet's not Arabic. Created way before the Arabic language. Memnon 900 BCE Arabic language 1st to 4th century CE.
He's also related to Zeus. Which makes me think, Greek gods are not really Greek see. Arthemis wasn't a Greek goddess, if I'm not mistaken Aphrodite wasn't Greek as well. The Mythos of Poseidon isn't Greek, they say that Atlas was Poseidon's son right? Atlas is well known all across Africa and Asia. The Greek's just stole other people's history!
Nice joke.
Please respect Hellenic culture.
Stop spreading propaganda and learn to respect Hellenic culture.
Greek mythology is based off of ancient kemetic mythology translated into Europeans
I'm sorry but you are wrong. Please have some respect for other civilizations history mythology and culture.
Then you woke up
@@wankawanka3053 Thank you he believes that Hellenic Mythology is based on kemetic. But they are nothing alike.
Memnon was not a African hero nor African black. Son of Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam King of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic Pantheon who treveled to the land of the burnt face men aka Aethiopia. Two Mediterranean olived skin parents don't make a black African baby. Where Eos gives birth to Memnon there. Just because he was born there doesn't make him African black. In the beginning he is given a armor from Hephaestus and at the end it is Zeus that makes him immortal. Not a African God. It's a Hellenic myth not African. Memnon is related to Hellenic culture not African. He is not describe as a African not from Homer, Hesiod, Quintus. He did not had African characteristics. His title is Memnon Hero of Troy King of THE Aethiopians. He would arrive at Troy with a great army of black men. He is never depicted as an Aethiopian himself. Please respect other civilizations history mythology and culture.
You should probably delete this and do some research lol
@@iron352 I'm not stuck. But No one was provided any evidence saying Memnon is a African black character. He is not even In African mythology.
American, Caribbean and Latin American "Blacks" are descendants of the Manden Kurufaba (a united West African) Kingdom EXCLUSIVELY. We didn''t have Pharaohs, we had a Mansa (Emperor), the very first Mansa was Sundiata Kieta Konteh, but you might know him as "The Lion King", And Aethiopian King Memnon was half Aethiopian/Greek. Tell me, have you seen Ethiopian, Eritrean and Somalian women? The Dibaba Sisters? Simple gorgeous! Also, they look nothing like West African women, who I have meet and are also beautiful.
Ethiopians are considered of the line of Cush who is also known by his other name, Nubia. Like the Indians of India, who are also descendants of Cush, see what happened to them when they mixed with the Aryans of Persia? Either way, they are also beautiful. This is what happened to Ethiopian Greek intermingling. I can't say that I blame the Greeks.
Most Africans, view themselves by the country they come from before they consider themselves African, it has been like that for centuries. Stop listening to African-Americans who really don't know their history and choose to deny it as well.
@@adonijahmorningstar493 wow that's a lot of irrelevant things.
First of all Memnon is not half Hellen half Aethiopis. He is not a black African Hero. He is not in African history mythology or culture. He is a Hellen His parents are of Hellenic decent. His father is Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam king of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic pantheon. Two Mediterranean olived skin parents don't make a black African baby. He did not have African characteristics.
Second He is created by Hellenic scholar's based on Hellenic mythology related to Hellenic culture. Memnon is a Hellenic hero in a Hellenic epic poem. His title is Memnon hero of Troy king of THE Aethiopis. The word Aethiopis was to describe the people living South of Egypt because of there darker skin complexion all Africans South of Egypt were called Aethiopis. Ethiopia was not a country back then it didn't exist as we know it now.