@12:33 I think both the companies have made a choice. The oppo has chosen to adjust the specular highlights of the bright areas of any scene to be displayed as close as they can to original intended picture, whereas the Panasonic has chosen to prioritize to display the less brighter areas of a scene like the buildings in this scene. Therefore, you can see buildings much clearer in the Panasonic. The reason behind it may be that both the companies' processors have different algorithms to decide what part of a particular scene is important for the viewers. For me, I'd rather prefer the Panasonic in this scene, whereas maybe for you, the Oppo is preferable. It really comes down to personal preference, but it actually is a sad state that even after spending huge money first on a display, then on a player, you still don't get the best picture that is possible.
@@sledgehamma Fully agreed ... players are not allowed to modify the HDR10 and the dynamic meta data stream in case of DV-playback ! Their task is to provide the stored data 1:1 to the tv ... the tv is the only equipment which calibrated for DV-reproduction and doing the tone mapping. The ONLY point where modification is allowed is during mastering on the studio monitor. Even the tv is not allowed to modify the provided data...for perfect reproduction. Therefore this not a matter of preferences at all...
Great job vencent , I understand that the Panasonic has a little better picture quality , but the oppo does better in Dolby vision mode so it seems, one killer feature that oppo has if you have a anamorphic lense projector is the stretch feature taking a letter box movie and turning it into full screen without losing any of the picture, I rip my Blu-rays and just started to rip my 4k movies and the oppo plays mkv files with Atmos and DTX incredible movie server . The oppo will also play a BDMV file which is un heard of .
Re Dolby Vision not hitting it’s Peaks. Instead of messing with the contrast I turned the Deep Colour to the 10 bit options and it’s been outputting fine. It’s just been letting my Sony Bravia output the Dolby Vision at 12 bit. No issues
Hey Vince. I subscribe to your program because I am constantly amazed at the quality of the reviews you post, and honest assessment of each product. Keep up the great work.
I always think that peep hole on the door is a mark on my screen and go to wipe it off. Thanks for a great video, this is my favorite review channel for TV's and players, so in depth. I sell TV's for a living so it really helps.
10:48 - its very clear that the 9000 is outputting brighter - so no wonder using DolbyVision it blows out all the highlights. Hopefully they fix this in another iteration. Final thought - nice it has XLR / analog out, but it doesn't support SACD/DVD-Audio? My guess is only Audiophiles with higher end equipment will use the XLR outs. This was one of the main reasons to go with the Oppo 105, 205 series over the 103/203...and the justifiably higher cost of the player. Major fail on Panasonic's end. I really hope version 9001 will be a true universal player. That's the only reason i didn't purchase it. If they put out a universal version, i will immediately purchase it.
Anyone going straight from a bluray player into active monitors with XLR's is making life hard for themselves. It is supposed to go through some sort of pre-amp first, really. It double up as a CD player, not a Cd player/pre amp. If anything its more Hifi/passive speaker orientated. But i get your point, love your work.
Love my oppo 205 for my movies and music . Love the panasonic 820 for its excellent upconversion of streaming Netflix,Amazon prime n UA-cam. Something vincent shoukd have looked at cause I would love to hear whats his thought are on it. Also , panasonic slow as sin in comparrison to the oppo. I mean even turning on the panasonic takes forever.
Great review ! Next -Are you going to compare the UB9000 vs UB820 that apparently has lots of operation similarity HDR etc.. Not on price $ 1000 vs $499. Thanks.
The oppo 203 forced Dolby Vision mode really just fixes almost any issues with bad HDR10 discs for certain scenes (such as elevated blacks in certain scenes in Infinity War/ blown out highlights), less banding and better tone mapping for oleds. Another subtle thing is the oppo 203 just loads so much faster in comparison to the ub9000 if you just want it as a disc workhorse, honestly I was surprised the ub9000 was that much slower in this video. UB9000 seems like it has a really good HDR optimizer function but honestly the forced Dolby Vision has been giving me fantastic results after some serious testing. Would be interesting to see a comparison between the 2 functions on both players.
The colors are dull and washed out when I turn the HDR on . Why is this happening ? Panasonic DP-UB420 connected to a Philips 436M6 hdr monitor . Can someone please help me ?
Vincent, is the dynamic tone mapping on the Panasonic players still relevant in 2023? Say for the LG G3, Sony A95L and so on. I'd be great with a 4K UHD Blu-ray player update, considering that Panasonic has not come out with a new player since these, despite that TVs have evolved quite a bit.
The Panasonic player would have some serious value to me if it had 24 and 25 hz playback through the apps... Most of amazon primes UHD content is in hdr 10 with very little Dolby vision so it’s dynamic tonemapping feature would be great for all of those shows..
I can't figure out any combination of audio output settings that will allow me to hear audio on special features on my UB820 with a Marantz NR1506. No combination of Bitstream or PCM and secondary audio on/off/auto seems to do it. UPDATE: Turns out, the player needed a hard reboot to rectify this. An unplug, wait :30 and plug it back in. So simple, yet so elusive.
REALLY upset that a superb player like this Panasonic doesn't have zoom control, like all the Oppos do. But those Oppo dopes omitted allowing you to move and center the zoomed image on the screen. My JVC XV-NA70BK DVD player from 2004 can do that with ease. Zoom controls allow more intimate control over content and really adds to the fun. The least Panasonic should do for a player at this price is to add this feature via a firmware, but they probably wouldn't do so even if they could.
Can we get an update on the elevated brightness in DV from the Panasonic??? Has a firmware update helped? Has the company responded? Some people are investing a lot of time and money into a high end modern entertainment system. More and more UHD Blu Rays with DV are coming out and I don't understand why incorrect DV is not a bigger deal in the community. In fact, why isn't this a bigger deal to Vincent? I'm sure he knows that not every enthusiast has or should have a discontinued Oppo 203. And it seems that a few other players are having this issue as well. One of the main reasons for DV in the first place is to NOT lose detail in darker or brighter scenes... So how is this acceptable? I'm somewhat fine with the current limitations of the technology, like some instances of freezing or needing to clean a brand new disc. But Sony players not properly auto switching DV on/off and Panasonics displaying bright DV (of all things)... These little nit picks just seem like unnecessary shortcomings in this day and age.
Adding to your comment I have a LG oled B7, I know it is old technology and I’m hoping to change it this next year. But I have some problems with dolby vision content on it. When playing 4k blu rays on my panasonic ub820 some of them especially warner discs and paramount have a strange issue. When watching the movie if I pop up the menu of the disc the image gets brighter and then, when I exit the menu it gets back to the original brightness. The real problem, however , is when the movie starts with that brightness and then I pop up the menu, exit it and the brightness gets down. So if I don’t pop up the menu I never know if the movie is with the correct brightness or not. This doesn t happen with hdr blu rays, only DV. The loading screen on DV discs is still not pitch black even after updates.
Excellent review... but no matter how much research i do, i can't seem to find info about any 4k player on "disc error reading" or "shock resistance" whatsoever! In the past i used to choose which player to buy based on its ability to read through coding errors and disc surface "niks"... not to mention shock and vibration to the unit itself! I remember buying my Technics SL-PD8 cd changer over 20 years ago strictly because it could read through any problem and survive my fist coming down hard on top of it while playing without skipping a beat or even having the audio buffer kicking in! I own a UB-820 which has a very hard time with imperfect discs like "First Blood" & "Color Out Of Space" (3 bought copies of each so far & all have problems with the Panasonic), yet no problems on my LG UBK80... except that the LG can't handle my 18" JBL Selenium subs during an explosion without skipping or freezing up... but the 820 can! I really want to own a UB9000, but not to be outperformed by a $100 LG player in these areas. Does anybody know anywhere or anyone on the net that still actually test these types of things on 4k players? Would really appreciate it. :-)
I bit the bullet and received this bad boy on Monday. I've only had a chance to watch one film so far but love the build. Do you have any videos walking through the optimum settings? Thanks!
TheNeighborNicky It is supposed to fix the near-black chrominance overshoot and macro-blocking issues that affect the whole Lg 2018 range. First indications from users report that it does fix it quite successfully, but it also affect the calibration of the display and the MPEG noise reduction function of the tv.
@@V8RacerGT It's already rolling out. My E8 automatically updated tonight. Yet, you may want to wait for Vincent's opinion before updating. The new firmware seems to affect several aspects and settings of the TV and not necessarily for the best.
I'm very happy with my Philips BD player right now, but I'll consider a Panasonic when it's time to upgrade a couple years from now. PS > 14:30 This is precisely why I do not bother in any way shape or form with dynamic metadata anymore. By now I just want an LCD/Quantum dot display that can map HDR10 1:1 at 1000~ nits (without any tone mapping at all) and call it a day. Unfortunately Dolby handled dynamic metadata the way I thought they were going to, and thus from my perspective it's become as irrelevant as 3D.
From my own experience (19 months and hundreds of hours of DV-content by now) I can tell you Dolby Vision provides an absolutely awesome HDR-experience and is the only technology that brings HDR to life and guarantees we see on our screens what the director intended ... UNLESS ... a player like the UB9000 starts "doing his own thing" and destroys the DV supply chain by modifying the data and sending wrong data to the DV-capable tv. This horrrible performance has nothing to do with the DV-concept ... this player is just useless for DV-playback and sending distorted data to the tv.
@@marcuscole8796 The problem with that is Dolby certified this player, the same way it certified the myriad of other players "doing their own thing". So the horrible performance has everything to do with Dolby, their certification process and the way they handle dynamic metadata in a closed system, with a complete lack of a reference point to judge whether an implementation of the standard is good or not. All things I expected them to do seeing how they handled the audio side, like I said. In time, just like with Dolby audio their "standard" will mature and maybe by then Dynamic metadata will have a practical use, if there isn't anything new taking it's place by then. But for now, I'm not bothering touching that with a 10 foot pole. Give me a good HDR10 1:1 1000~ nits display and I'll be more than happy.
@@RaydeusMX Players DON'T get certified at all ! ... and furthermore Dolby Vision is NOT a certification matter. Your comment just proves you never experienced proper DV-HDR yet and you do not have the slightest clue about what DV actually is, does and what it stands for. As you can see for yourself here in this video the OPPO 203 produces a perfect result whereas the UB9000 just fails...although the task is pretty easy: (just) read the data, DON'T process it and send it to the tv. The OPPO (here in this video) proves DV provides perfect pictures...as long as the supply chain doesn't get ruined. You, being "more than happy" with a technology that already got outperformed in 2017...especially with the high number of 4000nit mastered content...well...your decision. HDR10 is the very basic HDR you can actually get and already a 1100nit mastered content will overcharge your 1000nit display and either overall dims your picture or creates clipping of content. HDR10 with 4000nit content looks washed-out, less realistic and flat in comparison to DV-mastered content. But I am just a dull, blind person ... using this technology for already 19 months now and looked into it's concept and standards to understand what it is and does :-)
@@marcuscole8796 And yet none of that makes any practical difference to be worth the bullshit surrounding DV. The 4000 nits thing you say alone is due to poor tone mapping brought by dynamic metadata and the lack of proper standards, same thing that happens when you use an OLED to display anything above 500 nits. No matter how good it's tone mapping is you'll end up compromising somewhere down the line. But unless you've seen regular old (and already proven) HDR10 at 1000 nits without any tone mapping you are probably going to drink the DV coolaid with joy. As for me part I just have to wait until the fad passes, just like it did with 3D.
@@RaydeusMX Any idea of what HDR10 actually is ? ... It's PQ-curve and EOTF which was developed by Dolby Labs. as specified in SMPTE ST.2084 ... the standard you say it doesn't exist. That's: no HDR at all without Dolby Labs ... they know their stuff ... and literally ALL others use it. And DV is nothing else than the only sophisticated concept for the SMPTE ST.2096 standard. But with your FullHD SDR-player you're actually one of those who are not in the position to even talk about HDR...sorry, that simple.
Good review. Thanks! Still relevant in late 2021? Or did some UHD player overtake the UB9000? I’m wondering if I need to geht the UB824 if I don’t use the analog 7.1ch output of the UB9000. Or should I go for a AV receiver with 7.1ch input? Sounds like the DAC for the UB9000 is pretty good.
@@trannel73 Hello there. What brand would you recommend for 8K LG oled tv? For playing 4k blu-ray and heavy dvd, cd and saac. How is the upscale thing? do you think dvds should watch 4k with upscale?
Hi Vincent, could you please comment on using the UB9000/820 HDR Optimizer feature in conjunction with the LG C8/E8 Dynamic Tone Mapping? Should we leave both on, or rely on either solo?
He explained it in an other Video with the UB9000. He named this Feature „Killer Feature“. Please don‘t use dynamic tone mapping from the LG and the HDR Optimizer. LG‘s dynamic tone mapping tries to effect both sides shadow black details and near white level details, while HDR Optimizer only effects the white level.
Hi Vincent, would you still recomend this player three years later and has there been any improvement with the DolbyVision brightness issue. I would greatly appreciated a reply on this old video. Thanks 😀
Hey Vincent, have you ever tried the Panasonic UB450 ? I think it would be nice to compare what Panasonic can do with its Mediatek SoC versus the HCX from UB820 and UB9000. Darko is saying the picture is the same except there is no tweaking available but I would kill to get your full analysis !
Are you using an LG OLED ? ... I am asking because the here used Sony is not capable of standard Dolby Vision only the "Low Latency"-version. Maybe the Panasonic-player works as intended with standard Dolby Vision (LG tvs) and fails with the "Low Latency" or "player-led" version of DV (Sony tvs) ... Has there actually been a firmware update recently ? ... Vincent for sure used the latest version available in March. Besides this I am waiting for which DV-version Panasonic will implement in his new OLED-tvs later this year...
I just received my Panasonic DP-UB9000EG1 and noticed that the main on/off button does not have any LED light, neither when it's on, nor when it's off. Is this how it must be? All other Blu-ray players I own do have LED lights on their on/off main switch buttons, when on and/or when off. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Acabo de recibir mi Panasonic DP-UB9000EG1 y he notado que el botón principal de encendido/apagado no tiene ninguna luz LED, ni cuando está encendido ni cuando está apagado. ¿Es así como debe ser? Todos los demás reproductores Blu-ray que tengo tienen luces LED en los botones del interruptor principal de encendido/apagado, cuando están encendidos y/o apagados.
Even if it doesn't manage 10 bit colors, we can still appreciate the impressive high dynamic range of your new camera, it's a great help for your reviews ! I have a question, you've almost convinced me but does the Panasonic have UA-cam Hdr ?
I'm considering getting the Panasonic ub9000. Has the issue with Dolby Vision clipping been corrected now, Vincent, by a firmware update since you made the video? Thank you.
Best reviewer does it again. Looks like the Panasonic Engineers are taking influence from MadVR! The days of reference picture are over. Every player does their own tone mapping/ABL settings. Even the one that was supposed to be (DolbyVision) isn't. JVC's chief projector engineer on Home Theater Geeks predicted this about 2-3 years ago. That's why MadEnvy - an upcoming video processor - should be the best processor as you can customize every aspect, for every source.
Mad envy isn't video processor, but software program,right? Also are you using Madvr when wotching movies from PC, and if you are is there any improvements in picture quality?
@@MrStatusqwo5 Huge improvement, the biggest you can get. The NGU upscalar is the best I've seen. There's comparison screens posted online but it's hard to tell the difference between a clean 1080p source and a real UHD. You can check out comparison screens here: forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1840876 MadVR is a DIrect Show filter so needs a PC. But the author is creating a standalone product called Envy that will be a HDMI processor.
What is a 'reassuring smoothness' ? Visually smooth or audibly smooth ? Interested to read your response and your impressions since doing this video review.
@hdtvtest Thanks for the great videos! All I'm interested in is the video quality and upscaling abilities. I am debating on either the panasonic 9000 or the dp-ub820. I've seen some people say that the video processing, upscaling and quality between the two is identical. Can you tell me of this is the case? Thank you!
How would the Panasonic compare to an Oppo 203 modified with a Linear Power Supply from say from the likes of Oppomod? I believe the Panasonic has already has a Linear Power supply as standard whilst the Oppo doesn't.
Greetings Vincent, I enjoy your channel and your reviews. I have the Dell S718QL UST Projector and just recently ordered the Panasonic UB9000. What HDR setting on the Panasonic UB9000 is best suited for my Dell projector?
Great review, just ordered on the strength of this! Had previously just been using the XBOX 1X to play discs but after swapping that out for the Series X I'm finding the X disc drive is way louder than I'd like to watch a movie with (although spookily silent for games) so finally time to get a decent standalone player!
@Darren Patton I have and it definitely looks better, pretty costly though so whether the difference is enough to warrant the price is debatable. Easily the best looking blu-ray player I've seen though, plus it's absolutely silent which was my main complaint with the Series X player.
@@Piece-O-Pie No jitter at all, only issue I had was the audio sync was a little off for my setup but adjusted that to 300ms in the player menu and that sorted it. It's been perfect :)
Have the PANASONIC TX-49FXW784 from 2018 and my Pioneer BDP-LX88 is since yesterday defect. Seeking for the Pioneer UDP-LX800 or the Panasonic DP-UB9004EGK. Which one is better for my Panasonic 4K TV.
I wonder if the Panasonic exclusive features, if left on during DV playback affects the EOTF and or the tone mapping. They are meant to help out HDR10 content only, and problem is that, they are not being disabled once DV metadata is recognized by the player. If so, the fault belongs to Panasonic for not programming the player to automatically disable those features.
I agree, "this" might be an or the explanation... At least the UB9000 obviously is either modifying the basic HDR10 stream and/or the DV meta data. This seems to be a very obvious mistake resulting in a huge drawback ... which should have been noticed during development !? Nevertheless it should be possible to fix it with a firmware update ... besides that, especially after we are now month after release of the UB9000 ... this leaves a bitter aftertaste...
I have the 820_ Love it , Is Panasonic going to add more apps besides Netflix Prime and U Tube Adding HULU and HBO MAX would be great because of the Excellent AI Upscaling that this machine Can do !
Vincent I would love to know if the new Samsung AI Upscaling Tech (4K/8K chips in the 2019 Q series) does a better job scaling content then the UB9000. Have you done any comparisons or published any findings on this yet by chance? Love your work!
Hi-end XLR output but no hi-end SACD capability. Time for Panasonic to bring out a new flagship disc player. Cosmetically some sections of the interface feel very dated, and functionally it is very slow and my unit had some bugs that required firmware upgrades and several warranty repairs (CEC problems and randomly freezing up on music CDs and movie blurays, plus sometimes pushing a button on the front panel did nothing at all and I had to use the remote.) Hopefully there is still a viable market for high quality physical media players and Panasonic will soon release a new flagship, in this age where streaming has taken over.
Most likely because they’ve seen the trend of people moving away from purchasing Blu-ray discs and instead going to streaming services. These companies aren’t going to produce new high end players if there aren’t enough people buying. They simply don’t want to lose money on something that might fail to produce a substantial profit. Bad for business. 🤷♂️
Please i would like a comparison between Nvidia BFG 65 inch 4K HDR 120HZ TV , and current OLED TV's in market . isn't beating pixel burning and Motion flow is worth investing compared to a commerical OLED TV ?
Hi, I'm undecided between PANASONIC DP-UB9000 and OPPO UDP-203. The main use is the reproduction of 4K movies in MKV or ISO, always in native resolution without compression. Which one do you recommend for this? I play with a Sony 4K XW-5000 laser projector. Thanks in advance for the answer.
I went with a 203. Getting it on Friday. I just hope it works (flee-bay buy. Realistically, I could of got the panasonic for about the same price as what I paid for a panasonic at best buy. I'm more of an audio freak, hence my decision .I might even go buy a panasonic and do a side by side as I do have a 60 day return for being a bust buy plus member .
Vincent wouldn't have made such a basic mistake as that. And it wouldn't explain why the Dolby Vision output was noticeably brighter than the forced HDR10 output when toggling.
Yes Vince, thanks for the detailed work you've put into this video, I now have even more I sight into my 9000. Didn't even know I had the edge enhancer setting... Vince could you recommend a set of test charts I could use just to setup things like the jitter or edge ie like the ones you have in this video so I could make some adjustments of my own as my ex is getting the CSA payments so I can get you in to calibrate my LG man...🙄
such techy presentation. no idea what its all about, but i find it very entertaining 😂 so, the picture looks good on this think, and if i want to use it for physikal media only, then i can go for it, right? some people sell this region free. That would be my choice actually. Any input on that, and if i want something nice playing my discs on an ultra short throw - what would be the best choice?
Before Oppo went off the market😭 they said that the Panny slightly edged out the Oppo in picture quality but, they did not support Dolby vision. Now that Panny supports Dolby I have no excuse not to get the Panny outside of the fact it was always my dream to get an Oppo.
@@jacobmorse6014 Well, I have no choice now since the oppo is discontinued but at least now I feel good about it cause the Panny can now be considered the better machine.😃
Hi Vincent. Does, the -4 chroma adjustment just apply to upscaling 1080p bluray and dvd or even 4k uhd disc playback too? Or, for 4K UHD Bluray discs, can the setting be left to zero with no issues however small? Thank you.
when you plug the USB drive to play songs, does it display chinese character properly? as I'm using Oppo 103, and in some occasion, it display a square, instead of the proper chinese character on the song list
Martin Farinha - This is what I want to know. I was lucky enough to pick up a multi zone 203 as soon as Vincent announced they were no longer being made. If it is to truly rival the OPPO, it needs to be able to play everything.
does any bluray players play movie with sound from DLNA server, to external DAC via spdif coaxial (only stereo PCM). i tested all sony's all play mkv without sound if sound is e-ac3 (DD+). maybe you can recomentd any player what can play video with audio downmix to 2 ch pcm.?? all netflix tv series like witcher, and others using dolby digital plus.(torrents).
Excellent review as always. Request - Is there any chance you could review the Pioneer LX500? I'm in the process of choosing between these two. Thank you for all your hard work, it is much appreciated.
Just a comment: the dealer who sold me my two OPPO 203s is setting up home cinemas as his main business. He is NOT selling/using Panasonic players at all, only (still) OPPOs , the new Pioneers (LX500 and LX800) and the Sony UBP-X1000... So ... Yes ... I am also very interested in the new Pioneers getting tested :-) ... and expect them to be a great choice especially for DV playback ... far better than the UB9000.
@@sledgehamma Seems to be like this has changed: 08. Feb FW 1.08 ... 28. Feb FW 1.12 What has driven their decision I didn't ask ... but ... as you for yourself can see here in the video: where the OPPO 203 provides perfect DV-capabilities (for already more than 18 month now) the UB9000 fails and turns out completely useless for anyones DV-mastered discs...that simple. People paying tenthousands for getting a home cinema installed in their house will most probably be not very amused when the installed player produces distorted pictures with their DV-mastered material ... don't you think ?
I HATE the nondefeatable autostandby on my Sony UBP-X800M2, and was hoping this is not an issue on the Panasonic DP-UB820. I was considering adding the Panasonic DP-UB820 to my system because of its HDR-to-SDR conversion while maintaining BT.2020 for daytime viewing of my 4K UHD Blu-ray collection and using my UBP-X800M2 for DVD-AUDIO and SACD. But considering (1) Panasonic's clipping of bright areas during Dolby Vision playback, (2) lack of Dolby Vision to SDR conversion, and (3) autostandby issues similar to the Sony, this means I would be spending $500 on only one feature of significance to me I would only use during the year when I can open my windows and don't have to run my heating or air conditioning. Is HDR-to-SDR with BT.2020 alone really worth $500? If it wasn't for this review, I might have pulled the trigger on the Panasonic DP-UB820 only to wind up using it between two and four months out of the year. I MIGHT get one if they're still available after I take care of some speaker placement issues, upgrade my AVR, and add some overhead speakers for Dolby Atmos and DTS-X. But considering my situation, I think the Panasonic DP-UB820 should be the LAST thing I add to my system.
I'm confused by the panasonic ub9000 bandwidth limitation settings. When or why should i use it? And what does exactly do to the image? Hope that someone can help. Thanks.
Hi Vincent. Thank you for this video. I just purchased the UB9000. Have you tested the Allien 4k disc? My UB9000 has a problem playing the scene where they remove John Hurt's helmet after the face hugger encounter. The image pixelates and glitches. It happens on the theatrical cut but worse on the Director's cut. The disc plays fine in my PS5. I was wondering if you had encountered this or heard anything about it? I have not noticed any other issues with the ub9000 playing discs yet. It plays my mad max fury road fine, my Sony ubp x800 always froze playing that disc. Any help will be much appreciated. Thank you.
Hello Vince, as a lot of universal players are older now,I was consider buying one from eBay,could you tell me which has best analogue cd quality out of Cambridge cxu/751,pioneer lx500,marantz ud7007?
I'm thinking of buying this player and was wondering if the supplied hdmi cable is sufficient or is it recommended to get an aftermarket ultra high speed hdmi cable? Thinking about getting the zeskit Maya 2 meter.
That's pretty crazy with the DV and the Oppo vs the Panny. Hopefully they do respond do you. Been disappointed overall in my DV experiences so far, haven't been wowed by many of them. But that Furious 8 disc did.
Hey Vincent, will you compare the Oppo and the Panasonic with the new Reavon. I realy enjoy the picture quality of my Reavon. But a professional point of view is always good to know. Greetings from Germany
IMPORTANT! the HDR optimizer will NOT work with every blu-ray! You still need an LG oled with active HDR for those blu-rays. Otherwise you lose specula highlight detail and sometimes the picture is too dark. Active HDR is incredible but when it works the HDR optimizer is better.
Vincent, you accidentally said that the UB9000 was 100 pounds at the end of the video. If only! 🤑😄 Mine cost almost $1000 USD and I got a 5% discount! It produces an AMAZING picture however!!! Great job always!
Vincent, perhaps you can compare the same Dolby Vision clip from AppleTV and Sony UHD player against Oppo and Panasonic. As you suggest, they should all look the same on the same TV. Perhaps they are on different Dolby Vision Firmware?
Players do not need Dolby Vision firmware ... their only task in case of DV content is to read it and send it 1:1 to the DV-capable tv ... which does the job then. All DV-capable tvs get analysed and calibrated for DV-playback directly by and at Dolby Labs. ... tvs with the same panel will therefore (re)produce the identical picture (in the range of the production tolerances of the panels). It doesn't matter where they get the DV meta data from... In this case the UB9000 doesn't send the data 1:1 as it should, but modifies it first ... therefore the tv gets wrong data and produces a distorted picture (based on this wrong data).
Its 2024 and I just had my UB820 that had for barely a month fail on me. Thank god it was in the Amazon return window. Its the same guts as the 9000 which is insane to me how the 9000 is just the same slow chipset in a metal chassis. Yeah the picture was amazing (while it worked) but it was just cheap and the remote was lolzy. Trying to navigate it was painfully slow and turning it on took forever, discs took forever to load etc... felt like I was using something made in 2005. Then I found a like new Oppo 203 for less than a new UB9000 and jumped on that. Returned the Panny.
@12:33 I think both the companies have made a choice. The oppo has chosen to adjust the specular highlights of the bright areas of any scene to be displayed as close as they can to original intended picture, whereas the Panasonic has chosen to prioritize to display the less brighter areas of a scene like the buildings in this scene. Therefore, you can see buildings much clearer in the Panasonic. The reason behind it may be that both the companies' processors have different algorithms to decide what part of a particular scene is important for the viewers. For me, I'd rather prefer the Panasonic in this scene, whereas maybe for you, the Oppo is preferable. It really comes down to personal preference, but it actually is a sad state that even after spending huge money first on a display, then on a player, you still don't get the best picture that is possible.
KHILADI but the thing is that those companies do not have a choice when it comes to Dolby. Dolby decides how the tone mapping is being done.
@@sledgehamma Fully agreed ... players are not allowed to modify the HDR10 and the dynamic meta data stream in case of DV-playback ! Their task is to provide the stored data 1:1 to the tv ... the tv is the only equipment which calibrated for DV-reproduction and doing the tone mapping.
The ONLY point where modification is allowed is during mastering on the studio monitor. Even the tv is not allowed to modify the provided data...for perfect reproduction.
Therefore this not a matter of preferences at all...
Finally, was waiting for this one. Another quality video
Great job vencent , I understand that the Panasonic has a little better picture quality , but the oppo does better in Dolby vision mode so it seems, one killer feature that oppo has if you have a anamorphic lense projector is the stretch feature taking a letter box movie and turning it into full screen without losing any of the picture, I rip my Blu-rays and just started to rip my 4k movies and the oppo plays mkv files with Atmos and DTX incredible movie server . The oppo will also play a BDMV file which is un heard of .
Re Dolby Vision not hitting it’s Peaks. Instead of messing with the contrast I turned the Deep Colour to the 10 bit options and it’s been outputting fine. It’s just been letting my Sony Bravia output the Dolby Vision at 12 bit. No issues
Hey Vince. I subscribe to your program because I am constantly amazed at the quality of the reviews you post, and honest assessment of each product. Keep up the great work.
I always think that peep hole on the door is a mark on my screen and go to wipe it off. Thanks for a great video, this is my favorite review channel for TV's and players, so in depth. I sell TV's for a living so it really helps.
10:48 - its very clear that the 9000 is outputting brighter - so no wonder using DolbyVision it blows out all the highlights. Hopefully they fix this in another iteration.
Final thought - nice it has XLR / analog out, but it doesn't support SACD/DVD-Audio? My guess is only Audiophiles with higher end equipment will use the XLR outs. This was one of the main reasons to go with the Oppo 105, 205 series over the 103/203...and the justifiably higher cost of the player. Major fail on Panasonic's end.
I really hope version 9001 will be a true universal player. That's the only reason i didn't purchase it. If they put out a universal version, i will immediately purchase it.
Anyone going straight from a bluray player into active monitors with XLR's is making life hard for themselves. It is supposed to go through some sort of pre-amp first, really. It double up as a CD player, not a Cd player/pre amp. If anything its more Hifi/passive speaker orientated.
But i get your point, love your work.
Love my oppo 205 for my movies and music .
Love the panasonic 820 for its excellent upconversion of streaming Netflix,Amazon prime n UA-cam. Something vincent shoukd have looked at cause I would love to hear whats his thought are on it.
Also , panasonic slow as sin in comparrison to the oppo. I mean even turning on the panasonic takes forever.
Great review ! Next -Are you going to compare the UB9000 vs UB820 that apparently has lots of operation similarity HDR etc..
Not on price $ 1000 vs $499. Thanks.
Any chance we'll get a UB820 vs UB9000 comparison ? Mostly wondering if the chroma handling is the same across these players.
The oppo 203 forced Dolby Vision mode really just fixes almost any issues with bad HDR10 discs for certain scenes (such as elevated blacks in certain scenes in Infinity War/ blown out highlights), less banding and better tone mapping for oleds. Another subtle thing is the oppo 203 just loads so much faster in comparison to the ub9000 if you just want it as a disc workhorse, honestly I was surprised the ub9000 was that much slower in this video. UB9000 seems like it has a really good HDR optimizer function but honestly the forced Dolby Vision has been giving me fantastic results after some serious testing. Would be interesting to see a comparison between the 2 functions on both players.
The colors are dull and washed out when I turn the HDR on . Why is this happening ? Panasonic DP-UB420 connected to a Philips 436M6 hdr monitor . Can someone please help me ?
Hi Vincent,
Any chance of checking how the Pioneer LX500 compares?
Thanks
not even close,trade one got cheap pawn shop was very pleased what everything I can do, yes she's expensive but it's a keeper.
@@geraldperry7779 Huh?
Vincent, is the dynamic tone mapping on the Panasonic players still relevant in 2023? Say for the LG G3, Sony A95L and so on.
I'd be great with a 4K UHD Blu-ray player update, considering that Panasonic has not come out with a new player since these, despite that TVs have evolved quite a bit.
The Panasonic player would have some serious value to me if it had 24 and 25 hz playback through the apps... Most of amazon primes UHD content is in hdr 10 with very little Dolby vision so it’s dynamic tonemapping feature would be great for all of those shows..
I can't figure out any combination of audio output settings that will allow me to hear audio on special features on my UB820 with a Marantz NR1506. No combination of Bitstream or PCM and secondary audio on/off/auto seems to do it.
UPDATE: Turns out, the player needed a hard reboot to rectify this. An unplug, wait :30 and plug it back in. So simple, yet so elusive.
Ordered mine now. I was planning on waiting for a next generation, but with the corona I'm guessing that's not happening.
I love your reviews man!
REALLY upset that a superb player like this Panasonic doesn't have zoom control, like all the Oppos do. But those Oppo dopes omitted allowing you to move and center the zoomed image on the screen. My JVC XV-NA70BK DVD player from 2004 can do that with ease. Zoom controls allow more intimate control over content and really adds to the fun. The least Panasonic should do for a player at this price is to add this feature via a firmware, but they probably wouldn't do so even if they could.
Add SACD and DVD-A and I'll buy two.
that what have older soney SACD players from early 2000,still soundind playing without bugs.
I’m not buying the Pany at any price until it supports my SACDs and DVD-A.
Can we get an update on the elevated brightness in DV from the Panasonic??? Has a firmware update helped? Has the company responded? Some people are investing a lot of time and money into a high end modern entertainment system. More and more UHD Blu Rays with DV are coming out and I don't understand why incorrect DV is not a bigger deal in the community. In fact, why isn't this a bigger deal to Vincent? I'm sure he knows that not every enthusiast has or should have a discontinued Oppo 203. And it seems that a few other players are having this issue as well. One of the main reasons for DV in the first place is to NOT lose detail in darker or brighter scenes... So how is this acceptable?
I'm somewhat fine with the current limitations of the technology, like some instances of freezing or needing to clean a brand new disc. But Sony players not properly auto switching DV on/off and Panasonics displaying bright DV (of all things)... These little nit picks just seem like unnecessary shortcomings in this day and age.
Adding to your comment I have a LG oled B7, I know it is old technology and I’m hoping to change it this next year. But I have some problems with dolby vision content on it. When playing 4k blu rays on my panasonic ub820 some of them especially warner discs and paramount have a strange issue. When watching the movie if I pop up the menu of the disc the image gets brighter and then, when I exit the menu it gets back to the original brightness. The real problem, however , is when the movie starts with that brightness and then I pop up the menu, exit it and the brightness gets down. So if I don’t pop up the menu I never know if the movie is with the correct brightness or not. This doesn t happen with hdr blu rays, only DV. The loading screen on DV discs is still not pitch black even after updates.
OPPO can load external subtitles over original bluray disc. Is this Panasonic able to do the same?
@georgepopescu1327 --- External subtitles from where?
What is the cheapest 4k player that doesn’t freeze?
Excellent review... but no matter how much research i do, i can't seem to find info about any 4k player on "disc error reading" or "shock resistance" whatsoever! In the past i used to choose which player to buy based on its ability to read through coding errors and disc surface "niks"... not to mention shock and vibration to the unit itself! I remember buying my Technics SL-PD8 cd changer over 20 years ago strictly because it could read through any problem and survive my fist coming down hard on top of it while playing without skipping a beat or even having the audio buffer kicking in! I own a UB-820 which has a very hard time with imperfect discs like "First Blood" & "Color Out Of Space" (3 bought copies of each so far & all have problems with the Panasonic), yet no problems on my LG UBK80... except that the LG can't handle my 18" JBL Selenium subs during an explosion without skipping or freezing up... but the 820 can! I really want to own a UB9000, but not to be outperformed by a $100 LG player in these areas. Does anybody know anywhere or anyone on the net that still actually test these types of things on 4k players? Would really appreciate it. :-)
I bit the bullet and received this bad boy on Monday. I've only had a chance to watch one film so far but love the build. Do you have any videos walking through the optimum settings? Thanks!
Great work as usual! Looking forward to your analysis of the latest firmware update for the Lg OLED 2018.
What does the update change?
TheNeighborNicky It is supposed to fix the near-black chrominance overshoot and macro-blocking issues that affect the whole Lg 2018 range. First indications from users report that it does fix it quite successfully, but it also affect the calibration of the display and the MPEG noise reduction function of the tv.
@@FrancescoDeMasi93 When will the update being released? I have the same problem with my E8.
@@V8RacerGT It's already rolling out. My E8 automatically updated tonight. Yet, you may want to wait for Vincent's opinion before updating. The new firmware seems to affect several aspects and settings of the TV and not necessarily for the best.
@@FrancescoDeMasi93 Thanks for the info.
Great detail analysis. This information would be understood by very niece few.
Hope we can learn more and quickly from your videos.
Aside from advanced audio capabilities, any video performance difference between UB820 and UB9000?
Please review the new Reavon players.
16:38 Well, at least it has one, can't say the same for the most players on the market right now. But yeah, chapter information should be there.
I'm very happy with my Philips BD player right now, but I'll consider a Panasonic when it's time to upgrade a couple years from now.
PS > 14:30 This is precisely why I do not bother in any way shape or form with dynamic metadata anymore. By now I just want an LCD/Quantum dot display that can map HDR10 1:1 at 1000~ nits (without any tone mapping at all) and call it a day.
Unfortunately Dolby handled dynamic metadata the way I thought they were going to, and thus from my perspective it's become as irrelevant as 3D.
From my own experience (19 months and hundreds of hours of DV-content by now) I can tell you Dolby Vision provides an absolutely awesome HDR-experience and is the only technology that brings HDR to life and guarantees we see on our screens what the director intended ... UNLESS ... a player like the UB9000 starts "doing his own thing" and destroys the DV supply chain by modifying the data and sending wrong data to the DV-capable tv.
This horrrible performance has nothing to do with the DV-concept ... this player is just useless for DV-playback and sending distorted data to the tv.
@@marcuscole8796 The problem with that is Dolby certified this player, the same way it certified the myriad of other players "doing their own thing". So the horrible performance has everything to do with Dolby, their certification process and the way they handle dynamic metadata in a closed system, with a complete lack of a reference point to judge whether an implementation of the standard is good or not.
All things I expected them to do seeing how they handled the audio side, like I said. In time, just like with Dolby audio their "standard" will mature and maybe by then Dynamic metadata will have a practical use, if there isn't anything new taking it's place by then.
But for now, I'm not bothering touching that with a 10 foot pole. Give me a good HDR10 1:1 1000~ nits display and I'll be more than happy.
@@RaydeusMX Players DON'T get certified at all ! ... and furthermore Dolby Vision is NOT a certification matter. Your comment just proves you never experienced proper DV-HDR yet and you do not have the slightest clue about what DV actually is, does and what it stands for.
As you can see for yourself here in this video the OPPO 203 produces a perfect result whereas the UB9000 just fails...although the task is pretty easy: (just) read the data, DON'T process it and send it to the tv. The OPPO (here in this video) proves DV provides perfect pictures...as long as the supply chain doesn't get ruined.
You, being "more than happy" with a technology that already got outperformed in 2017...especially with the high number of 4000nit mastered content...well...your decision.
HDR10 is the very basic HDR you can actually get and already a 1100nit mastered content will overcharge your 1000nit display and either overall dims your picture or creates clipping of content.
HDR10 with 4000nit content looks washed-out, less realistic and flat in comparison to DV-mastered content.
But I am just a dull, blind person ... using this technology for already 19 months now and looked into it's concept and standards to understand what it is and does :-)
@@marcuscole8796 And yet none of that makes any practical difference to be worth the bullshit surrounding DV.
The 4000 nits thing you say alone is due to poor tone mapping brought by dynamic metadata and the lack of proper standards, same thing that happens when you use an OLED to display anything above 500 nits. No matter how good it's tone mapping is you'll end up compromising somewhere down the line.
But unless you've seen regular old (and already proven) HDR10 at 1000 nits without any tone mapping you are probably going to drink the DV coolaid with joy.
As for me part I just have to wait until the fad passes, just like it did with 3D.
@@RaydeusMX Any idea of what HDR10 actually is ? ... It's PQ-curve and EOTF which was developed by Dolby Labs. as specified in SMPTE ST.2084 ... the standard you say it doesn't exist. That's: no HDR at all without Dolby Labs ... they know their stuff ... and literally ALL others use it.
And DV is nothing else than the only sophisticated concept for the SMPTE ST.2096 standard.
But with your FullHD SDR-player you're actually one of those who are not in the position to even talk about HDR...sorry, that simple.
Do u feel the ub9000 is better/worse or identical to its younger brother ub820?
It seems like the difference in the 9000 vs 820 is higher build quality, better analog quality and support, and maybe better drive mechanism.
Picture Quality is identical, mainly due to fact they both use the same video processor...i bought the 820 because of this
Good review. Thanks! Still relevant in late 2021? Or did some UHD player overtake the UB9000? I’m wondering if I need to geht the UB824 if I don’t use the analog 7.1ch output of the UB9000. Or should I go for a AV receiver with 7.1ch input? Sounds like the DAC for the UB9000 is pretty good.
Shoot. I opted for the UB9004. Emotional decision for the win. But 8kg Blu-ray player is just a nice statement within your setup :D
@@trannel73 Hello there. What brand would you recommend for 8K LG oled tv? For playing 4k blu-ray and heavy dvd, cd and saac. How is the upscale thing? do you think dvds should watch 4k with upscale?
Hi Vincent, could you please comment on using the UB9000/820 HDR Optimizer feature in conjunction with the LG C8/E8 Dynamic Tone Mapping?
Should we leave both on, or rely on either solo?
I would like to know his opinion too
He explained it in an other Video with the UB9000. He named this Feature „Killer Feature“. Please don‘t use dynamic tone mapping from the LG and the HDR Optimizer. LG‘s dynamic tone mapping tries to effect both sides shadow black details and near white level details, while HDR Optimizer only effects the white level.
Hi Vincent, would you still recomend this player three years later and has there been any improvement with the DolbyVision brightness issue. I would greatly appreciated a reply on this old video. Thanks 😀
Hey Vincent, have you ever tried the Panasonic UB450 ? I think it would be nice to compare what Panasonic can do with its Mediatek SoC versus the HCX from UB820 and UB9000. Darko is saying the picture is the same except there is no tweaking available but I would kill to get your full analysis !
I bought the player today and Dolby Vision works like it’s supposed to. Seems like they fixed the error with the last firmware update.
Are you using an LG OLED ? ... I am asking because the here used Sony is not capable of standard Dolby Vision only the "Low Latency"-version. Maybe the Panasonic-player works as intended with standard Dolby Vision (LG tvs) and fails with the "Low Latency" or "player-led" version of DV (Sony tvs) ...
Has there actually been a firmware update recently ? ... Vincent for sure used the latest version available in March.
Besides this I am waiting for which DV-version Panasonic will implement in his new OLED-tvs later this year...
Got both, best of both worlds. 😎 Panny for my HDR10 and SDR discs, and my Oppo for DV discs.
Me too, only, I think you meant "Panny" not "Penny."
@@kellywilliamson2187 you right lol darn auto correct made it Penny
I just received my Panasonic DP-UB9000EG1 and noticed that the main on/off button does not have any LED light, neither when it's on, nor when it's off. Is this how it must be?
All other Blu-ray players I own do have LED lights on their on/off main switch buttons, when on and/or when off.
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Acabo de recibir mi Panasonic DP-UB9000EG1 y he notado que el botón principal de encendido/apagado no tiene ninguna luz LED, ni cuando está encendido ni cuando está apagado. ¿Es así como debe ser?
Todos los demás reproductores Blu-ray que tengo tienen luces LED en los botones del interruptor principal de encendido/apagado, cuando están encendidos y/o apagados.
Even if it doesn't manage 10 bit colors, we can still appreciate the impressive high dynamic range of your new camera, it's a great help for your reviews !
I have a question, you've almost convinced me but does the Panasonic have UA-cam Hdr ?
So it's 2020. I have a LG c9 OLED. Should I go for the ub9000 or get a used oppo 203?
@@koking7 not bought anything yet. Pioneer is favourite as dvda and sacd compatible. But O. O. S everywhere
Man I wish Panny would come back to the states
@@alvidrez7956they just did!
I'm considering getting the Panasonic ub9000. Has the issue with Dolby Vision clipping been corrected now, Vincent, by a firmware update since you made the video? Thank you.
Best reviewer does it again. Looks like the Panasonic Engineers are taking influence from MadVR!
The days of reference picture are over. Every player does their own tone mapping/ABL settings. Even the one that was supposed to be (DolbyVision) isn't. JVC's chief projector engineer on Home Theater Geeks predicted this about 2-3 years ago. That's why MadEnvy - an upcoming video processor - should be the best processor as you can customize every aspect, for every source.
Mad envy isn't video processor, but software program,right?
Also are you using Madvr when wotching movies from PC, and if you are is there any improvements in picture quality?
@@MrStatusqwo5 Huge improvement, the biggest you can get. The NGU upscalar is the best I've seen. There's comparison screens posted online but it's hard to tell the difference between a clean 1080p source and a real UHD. You can check out comparison screens here: forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1840876
MadVR is a DIrect Show filter so needs a PC. But the author is creating a standalone product called Envy that will be a HDMI processor.
What is a 'reassuring smoothness' ? Visually smooth or audibly smooth ? Interested to read your response and your impressions since doing this video review.
@hdtvtest
Thanks for the great videos!
All I'm interested in is the video quality and upscaling abilities.
I am debating on either the panasonic 9000 or the dp-ub820.
I've seen some people say that the video processing, upscaling and quality between the two is identical.
Can you tell me of this is the case? Thank you!
How would the Panasonic compare to an Oppo 203 modified with a Linear Power Supply from say from the likes of Oppomod? I believe the Panasonic has already has a Linear Power supply as standard whilst the Oppo doesn't.
Greetings Vincent, I enjoy your channel and your reviews. I have the Dell S718QL UST Projector and just recently ordered the Panasonic UB9000. What HDR setting on the Panasonic UB9000 is best suited for my Dell projector?
Great review, just ordered on the strength of this! Had previously just been using the XBOX 1X to play discs but after swapping that out for the Series X I'm finding the X disc drive is way louder than I'd like to watch a movie with (although spookily silent for games) so finally time to get a decent standalone player!
@Darren Patton I have and it definitely looks better, pretty costly though so whether the difference is enough to warrant the price is debatable. Easily the best looking blu-ray player I've seen though, plus it's absolutely silent which was my main complaint with the Series X player.
@@keiththorburn761 Is it less jittery than the Xbox player?
@@Piece-O-Pie No jitter at all, only issue I had was the audio sync was a little off for my setup but adjusted that to 300ms in the player menu and that sorted it. It's been perfect :)
Doesn't the UB820 have the same video processor?
Would really love a 420 review, to see what you lose/gain
From what I've read the only difference is Dolby Vision on the 820, not sure if that's correct though. The 820 looks stunning though
Smoke it if ya’ got it.
can you please make a video about the lg oled c8 e8 w8 etc. update 4.10.31 that says it fixed the micro blocking im interested on your take??????
Have the PANASONIC TX-49FXW784 from 2018 and my Pioneer BDP-LX88 is since yesterday defect. Seeking for the Pioneer UDP-LX800 or the Panasonic DP-UB9004EGK. Which one is better for my Panasonic 4K TV.
Hi is their much difference between the Panasonic ub9000 & ub900 , as I have the ub900 ,is it worth buying the ub9000 😷
I wonder if the Panasonic exclusive features, if left on during DV playback affects the EOTF and or the tone mapping. They are meant to help out HDR10 content only, and problem is that, they are not being disabled once DV metadata is recognized by the player.
If so, the fault belongs to Panasonic for not programming the player to automatically disable those features.
I agree, "this" might be an or the explanation...
At least the UB9000 obviously is either modifying the basic HDR10 stream and/or the DV meta data.
This seems to be a very obvious mistake resulting in a huge drawback ... which should have been noticed during development !?
Nevertheless it should be possible to fix it with a firmware update ... besides that, especially after we are now month after release of the UB9000 ... this leaves a bitter aftertaste...
I have the 820_ Love it ,
Is Panasonic going to add more apps besides Netflix Prime and U Tube Adding HULU and HBO MAX would be great because of the Excellent
AI Upscaling that this machine
Can do !
Vincent I would love to know if the new Samsung AI Upscaling Tech (4K/8K chips in the 2019 Q series) does a better job scaling content then the UB9000. Have you done any comparisons or published any findings on this yet by chance? Love your work!
Is the Panasonic 1080p upscaling better than the Pioneer LX500?
Hi-end XLR output but no hi-end SACD capability.
Time for Panasonic to bring out a new flagship disc player.
Cosmetically some sections of the interface feel very dated, and functionally it is very slow and my unit had some bugs that required firmware upgrades and several warranty repairs (CEC problems and randomly freezing up on music CDs and movie blurays, plus sometimes pushing a button on the front panel did nothing at all and I had to use the remote.)
Hopefully there is still a viable market for high quality physical media players and Panasonic will soon release a new flagship, in this age where streaming has taken over.
Great in depth review, thank you. I'm wondering why there are no signs of new high end players, either from Panasonic or otherwise?
Most likely because they’ve seen the trend of people moving away from purchasing Blu-ray discs and instead going to streaming services. These companies aren’t going to produce new high end players if there aren’t enough people buying. They simply don’t want to lose money on something that might fail to produce a substantial profit. Bad for business. 🤷♂️
Please i would like a comparison between Nvidia BFG 65 inch 4K HDR 120HZ TV , and current OLED TV's in market . isn't beating pixel burning and Motion flow is worth investing compared to a commerical OLED TV ?
Good video and big improvement on editing since last video
Where did you get the wallpaper from for the Panasonic Vincent ?
My AVR is an Anthem MRX 720. Will I be able to take advantage of the UB9000 DACs or should i just get the 820 then?
Waiting for Sony x800m2 review when it comes out, good video as always 👍👍👍
Hi, I'm undecided between PANASONIC DP-UB9000 and OPPO UDP-203. The main use is the reproduction of 4K movies in MKV or ISO, always in native resolution without compression. Which one do you recommend for this? I play with a Sony 4K XW-5000 laser projector.
Thanks in advance for the answer.
I went with a 203. Getting it on Friday. I just hope it works (flee-bay buy. Realistically, I could of got the panasonic for about the same price as what I paid for a panasonic at best buy. I'm more of an audio freak, hence my decision .I might even go buy a panasonic and do a side by side as I do have a 60 day return for being a bust buy plus member .
Which Dolby Vision mode was used on LG OLED? If Home Cinema then of course it's brighter, that's how it looks. The correct one is Cinema.
Vincent wouldn't have made such a basic mistake as that. And it wouldn't explain why the Dolby Vision output was noticeably brighter than the forced HDR10 output when toggling.
Yes Vince, thanks for the detailed work you've put into this video, I now have even more I sight into my 9000. Didn't even know I had the edge enhancer setting...
Vince could you recommend a set of test charts I could use just to setup things like the jitter or edge ie like the ones you have in this video so I could make some adjustments of my own as my ex is getting the CSA payments so I can get you in to calibrate my LG man...🙄
Waiting for when HDTVTest reviews some of the more recent niche/enthusiast high end Blu-ray players.
yeah it's annoying that he doesn't. feels like he only talks about TVs now and that's it which is unfortunate.
Some people comment that unit does not have a USB DAC. If that is true, how does is play DSD files from a USB drive/thumb drive?
such techy presentation. no idea what its all about, but i find it very entertaining 😂 so, the picture looks good on this think, and if i want to use it for physikal media only, then i can go for it, right? some people sell this region free. That would be my choice actually. Any input on that, and if i want something nice playing my discs on an ultra short throw - what would be the best choice?
Great review as always :)
Anyone knows how this model is compared to the Panasonic DMR-UBC86EN 1TB (european) model regarding picture&features please?
Before Oppo went off the market😭 they said that the Panny slightly edged out the Oppo in picture quality but, they did not support Dolby vision. Now that Panny supports Dolby I have no excuse not to get the Panny outside of the fact it was always my dream to get an Oppo.
1st Trailer what did you decide on?
The Oppo supports Dolby Vision with a firmware update.
@@jacobmorse6014 Well, I have no choice now since the oppo is discontinued but at least now I feel good about it cause the Panny can now be considered the better machine.😃
Hi Vincent. Does, the -4 chroma adjustment just apply to upscaling 1080p bluray and dvd or even 4k uhd disc playback too? Or, for 4K UHD Bluray discs, can the setting be left to zero with no issues however small? Thank you.
when you plug the USB drive to play songs, does it display chinese character properly? as I'm using Oppo 103, and in some occasion, it display a square, instead of the proper chinese character on the song list
I just purchased The 9000 can you explain why when I turn it on the television turns on I'm more interested in audio than video thanks
Can this be made multi zone/region free, the Oppo could and this is why I'm kicking myself for not having picked one up when I had the chance.
Martin Farinha - This is what I want to know. I was lucky enough to pick up a multi zone 203 as soon as Vincent announced they were no longer being made. If it is to truly rival the OPPO, it needs to be able to play everything.
does any bluray players play movie with sound from DLNA server, to external DAC via spdif coaxial (only stereo PCM). i tested all sony's all play mkv without sound if sound is e-ac3 (DD+). maybe you can recomentd any player what can play video with audio downmix to 2 ch pcm.?? all netflix tv series like witcher, and others using dolby digital plus.(torrents).
Excellent review as always. Request - Is there any chance you could review the Pioneer LX500? I'm in the process of choosing between these two. Thank you for all your hard work, it is much appreciated.
Hayden Pioneer should be the same as the Oppo because they use the same SoC.
Just a comment: the dealer who sold me my two OPPO 203s is setting up home cinemas as his main business. He is NOT selling/using Panasonic players at all, only (still) OPPOs , the new Pioneers (LX500 and LX800) and the Sony UBP-X1000...
So ... Yes ... I am also very interested in the new Pioneers getting tested :-) ... and expect them to be a great choice especially for DV playback ... far better than the UB9000.
@@marcuscole8796And his choice is based on what? I personally wouldn't touch Pioneer as their software support is lacklustre.
@@sledgehamma Seems to be like this has changed: 08. Feb FW 1.08 ... 28. Feb FW 1.12
What has driven their decision I didn't ask ... but ... as you for yourself can see here in the video: where the OPPO 203 provides perfect DV-capabilities (for already more than 18 month now) the UB9000 fails and turns out completely useless for anyones DV-mastered discs...that simple.
People paying tenthousands for getting a home cinema installed in their house will most probably be not very amused when the installed player produces distorted pictures with their DV-mastered material ... don't you think ?
@@sledgehamma Hi, not same!!! I have both players, but PIONEER better picture, and much more sound quality! Regards.
I HATE the nondefeatable autostandby on my Sony UBP-X800M2, and was hoping this is not an issue on the Panasonic DP-UB820. I was considering adding the Panasonic DP-UB820 to my system because of its HDR-to-SDR conversion while maintaining BT.2020 for daytime viewing of my 4K UHD Blu-ray collection and using my UBP-X800M2 for DVD-AUDIO and SACD. But considering (1) Panasonic's clipping of bright areas during Dolby Vision playback, (2) lack of Dolby Vision to SDR conversion, and (3) autostandby issues similar to the Sony, this means I would be spending $500 on only one feature of significance to me I would only use during the year when I can open my windows and don't have to run my heating or air conditioning. Is HDR-to-SDR with BT.2020 alone really worth $500? If it wasn't for this review, I might have pulled the trigger on the Panasonic DP-UB820 only to wind up using it between two and four months out of the year. I MIGHT get one if they're still available after I take care of some speaker placement issues, upgrade my AVR, and add some overhead speakers for Dolby Atmos and DTS-X. But considering my situation, I think the Panasonic DP-UB820 should be the LAST thing I add to my system.
All the Oppo's had an HDMI input. Why did Panny omit this useful input?
Money
Cost.
HDMI input for which use specifically ?
I'm not sure it's for money, they are audiophile grade output on this player.
@@tshaolin971 people want an HDMI input like they don't already have like ten on their A/V receiver, doesn't make sense to me.
600+ dollars for this 4K player by Panasonic crazy I wouldn’t give $600 for this player
I'm confused by the panasonic ub9000 bandwidth limitation settings. When or why should i use it? And what does exactly do to the image? Hope that someone can help. Thanks.
Have you noticed if the 820 has the same dolby vision issues (since the players are so similar)?
Any news if the recent Panasonic firmware update addressed the issue of overblown specular highlights?
4k res straight from beginning,,hmm impressive
thank you....good to know i got the player with best picture quality.loading speed is irrelevant.
That's unfortunate about the Dolby Vision issues. Has there been any updates that have fixed this for the Panasonic?
What he best way connecting this to Denon avr-x2700h + lg c1
Hi Vincent. Thank you for this video. I just purchased the UB9000. Have you tested the Allien 4k disc? My UB9000 has a problem playing the scene where they remove John Hurt's helmet after the face hugger encounter. The image pixelates and glitches. It happens on the theatrical cut but worse on the Director's cut. The disc plays fine in my PS5. I was wondering if you had encountered this or heard anything about it? I have not noticed any other issues with the ub9000 playing discs yet. It plays my mad max fury road fine, my Sony ubp x800 always froze playing that disc. Any help will be much appreciated. Thank you.
I purchased another copy of Alien on 4K and it plays perfectly on my UB9000. It was obviously the disc, not the player. 👍
Hello Vince, as a lot of universal players are older now,I was consider buying one from eBay,could you tell me which has best analogue cd quality out of Cambridge cxu/751,pioneer lx500,marantz ud7007?
I'm thinking of buying this player and was wondering if the supplied hdmi cable is sufficient or is it recommended to get an aftermarket ultra high speed hdmi cable? Thinking about getting the zeskit Maya 2 meter.
Great review! So what is the new Oppo audiophile equivalent now?
That's pretty crazy with the DV and the Oppo vs the Panny. Hopefully they do respond do you. Been disappointed overall in my DV experiences so far, haven't been wowed by many of them. But that Furious 8 disc did.
Hey Vincent, will you compare the Oppo and the Panasonic with the new Reavon. I realy enjoy the picture quality of my Reavon. But a professional point of view is always good to know. Greetings from Germany
Nice to see good reviews for blu ray players. Can you test the sony x1000es or x800m2
IMPORTANT! the HDR optimizer will NOT work with every blu-ray! You still need an LG oled with active HDR for those blu-rays. Otherwise you lose specula highlight detail and sometimes the picture is too dark. Active HDR is incredible but when it works the HDR optimizer is better.
Vincent, you accidentally said that the UB9000 was 100 pounds at the end of the video. If only! 🤑😄 Mine cost almost $1000 USD and I got a 5% discount! It produces an AMAZING picture however!!!
Great job always!
Vincent, perhaps you can compare the same Dolby Vision clip from AppleTV and Sony UHD player against Oppo and Panasonic. As you suggest, they should all look the same on the same TV. Perhaps they are on different Dolby Vision Firmware?
Players do not need Dolby Vision firmware ... their only task in case of DV content is to read it and send it 1:1 to the DV-capable tv ... which does the job then.
All DV-capable tvs get analysed and calibrated for DV-playback directly by and at Dolby Labs. ... tvs with the same panel will therefore (re)produce the identical picture (in the range of the production tolerances of the panels). It doesn't matter where they get the DV meta data from...
In this case the UB9000 doesn't send the data 1:1 as it should, but modifies it first ... therefore the tv gets wrong data and produces a distorted picture (based on this wrong data).
Its 2024 and I just had my UB820 that had for barely a month fail on me. Thank god it was in the Amazon return window. Its the same guts as the 9000 which is insane to me how the 9000 is just the same slow chipset in a metal chassis. Yeah the picture was amazing (while it worked) but it was just cheap and the remote was lolzy. Trying to navigate it was painfully slow and turning it on took forever, discs took forever to load etc... felt like I was using something made in 2005. Then I found a like new Oppo 203 for less than a new UB9000 and jumped on that. Returned the Panny.
I'll take better picture quality, I grew up on Commodore 64, I can handle "slow".
enjoy the crappier picture quality on the ancient oppo.👍
Hi Vincent, will you review the Pioneer LX500 and LX800 player?
At least one of them, yes.
Looking forward to your review & comparison of LX800 vs UB820/UB9000 vs Oppo 205