IMO this beef for Kendrick is bigger than Drake. He is trying to point to the issue of black US culture and art is constantly stolen, dictated and controlled by people not from it. Drake is the latest example from a long line of culture vultures who make money and change the narrative of our culture. The message is gate-keep our art/ culture like other groups or be erased from the story.
It’s also making everyone pay attention to the media’s and the public’s ignorance for even saying Drake is a top rapper. Yes, he had a handful of hits, but he lacks authenticity, musicality, and lyricism. Yet, he has been placed on that pedestal for so long. Whose fault is that? People need to stop letting trends and sales compromise the essence of what hip hop is meant to be. Culture, pride, poetry, dance, production, unity, style, etc. Even more, Kendrick keeps reminding us of how many talented artists we keep underrating and refusing to support properly, not even just the TDE/west coast artists, but rappers consistently putting in work. Drake should have never been in the ranks of rap in the first place, and I’ve been saying this since he graduated from Degrassi High. 😤
Those arguments that someone has to replace Drake by dropping a new track every 2 months and 2 albums a year is ridiculous. 1. That's how you start releasing nothing but mediocre material. 2. The only way Drake did that for so long was by having a sweatshop and finding younger artists to leech off. The very things that go him cooked in the battle. Most artists have a popping period when they drop every year or every 2 years, then they take a break for 2 or 3 years and start the cycle back up. Kendrick was doing the same thing until the one 5 year break.
Bro Kendrick is one man writing vs a team of ghost writers. You can’t compare a man against a team. The team is gonna release music much faster than 1 man. It’s just common sense.
Thank you! It’s hard to understand why some people don’t get this. Even those of us who aren’t famous. We don’t be on social media at all or telling all our business online. Some people don’t care about that.
The last thing I want is Kendrick becoming a Drake - always trolling on social media & worried about making headlines, dropping all the time low level music just to be on radio all the time. Drake knows how forgettable he becomes if he isn’t omnipresent 24/7. Kendrick is really beloved & his work is truly appreciated whenever he wants to be in public again. He doesn’t need to force it - has proven it so many times already.
Great convo... I think the point is being missed here. Again, we are talking about two different types of ARTIST/PEOPLE as an artist, Drake sign on the line and agreed to doing all of that work. KDot did not. He's signed a whole different contract and now kendrick is on his own label. Drake has more pockets to fill and this rap game alone doesn't meet that filling need. We've heard the stories of how rappers are not getting the money they say. But Kendrick is not in an overly obligated contract and Drake is. That's what happens when you sign big money deals. More is expected. I don't think Kdot thinks it is worth his morals and family to submit to that type of life.
Exactly. Does Deeni really like all those Drake projects? I don’t think so. People have been saying for a while, even Drake fans, that his projects are not as strong, except for the latest Scary Hour joint. It’s fine to take some time. I don’t need people to be ubiquitous and then put out wack shit.
Getting killed in a battle shouldnt stop drake from moving how he is moving. Winning a battle shouldnt stop kenny from putting out art at his pace. FOH. Everyone back to regular scheduled programming. The minute Drake moves differently is when he officially gonna go down. He needs to learn from jayz.
I'ma keep it real, Deeni comes off as an embarrassment to New York. He's supposed to know about hip hop but he's bought the lies of a dude from Toronto who doesn't write his own music, and is not from the actual cloth of hip hop. For him to try to take a stand on releases when Mr morale was 22 The tour finished in Nov 23, and we're in 24 with new music and an album on the way.... I'm really not sure bro is hip hop at all. It's like these Drake dudes got brainwashed and stopped thinking logically. Then he talking about Drake putting hip hop on his back for 10 years? WHERE? WHAT DRAKE ALBUM PAST 2015 was elite level rapping? Stop it. Drake ain't Jay Z, Drake ain't hip hop. Always keeping a pop r&b joint ain't Jay Oh btw when you write your own music and put out quality, it takes longer Peace
The Obama reference he made regarding how Drake looks is hilarious cus when I watched the video I imagined someone whispering to Drake “Mr 69 god, we lost California” hahaha
First and foremost SALUTE 🫡 the bros at The Rap Roundtable. Dope ass video. I ain’t catch all the symbolism but I wasn’t really invested in the battle like that. I was fucking with the song so I was definitely anticipating the video and he came with it 💯🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
💯 it's a difference between new Yorkers and new Yorkers in media. New Yorkers in media seem to mostly be wave riders. That's why you seen all these supposed heads like flex say KDot was relaunching his career. Dudes who'd you'd think are on the side of hip hop are on the side of the wave riding. That's why Cam and Mase was glazing Drake until not like us kept ringing out. Furthermore I don't think none of these Drake glazers is Brooklyn dudes besides the bought and paid for math Hoffa. Every boro is different and Brooklyn dudes don't be wave riding
When you listed off his albums you skipped Untitled so he’s even more active than you said The tour ended in March so its only been a few weeks since the tour ended and Like That came out 😂 Idk why they insist on this narrative. Its weird. And what is this baton? What are they talking about? He won. Theres nothing else to prove. I dont think they understand what a battle is. And if we’re being really real this wasnt a rap battle in the first place. Kendrick and a bunch of his former friends are trying to expose him
Bro Kendrick could flood the streets with pointless bops what’s wrong with your man’s? He thinking making bops some type of science it’s literally the easiest type of music to make if your a a great artist the harder thing to do is make introspection conceptual music that people can relate to and still have mass appeal
32:45 to me it’s the generational difference is what’s at play in this conversation . I come from a generation that doesn’t mind waiting for a good album. But the current generation is use to quick microwaveable music every few months.
@Deeni did you listen to the snippet? In a few words, Kendrick stated that he is “reincarnated” and is in control of his music “babies” and now making his own money for it “broccoli”. He even alluded to this in the Pop Out. He did his set for all of the TDE songs, then he called out PG Lang and was on his fruit from there on.
Can’t drop quality material every couple of months. I’m still listening to Dots old stuff. Maybe they should drop less frequent to give the newer guys the opportunity to step up.
The other point people are missing is that Drake drops so much BECAUSE HE HAS TO!!! he has to fulfill them slave deals he's in. Ironic he's always referencing slaves when he is one.
He looks unhealthy. Some time off should be to his benefit. He got humbled. Who is he gonna ride on, now? One of y’all said “money talks”…this is the whole point. Kendrick is INDEPENDENT. Once again, he can move different.
Please stop comparing this rap battle to jay and nas, it’s more like 50 and Ja because Ja was almost only a POP and R&B star. So when 50 jumped on his ass, it was strictly HIPHOP. lol plus Drake isn’t nowhere close to Hov 😂😂😂
Javar was on deanni ass this episode man sheesh 😂😂😂 “sorry if i spelled yall name wrong” but dot been active last 2-3 years album just came off the highest grossing hiphop tour ever untill drake and 21 savage 🤷♂️
Out of ALL the things that get touched on about ‘ol boy; the black face situation is the most egregious; (next to the PDF allegations) and it seems to be rarely brought up, I’m just sayin’. And it’s confirmed with hard proof, no innuendo or insinuating involved…
@dougandolini157 on his talent( or his Ghostwriter talent ). Drake lost the war, but I'm not gonna pretend he isn't talented. He's just not focused on making great music. He's just fulfilling his obligations and releasing too much music. His quality control is missing. If he takes time, he'll find quality again.
If you're going to be a responsible and real podcast, you're information has to be vetted. Or, you just a ghetto internet show and not a legitimate Hip Hop podcast. Real talk.
Although I do not agree, I’m going to state Deeni’s point. POV Drake: “When I was the king of this rap shit this is what I did for you: hits, bops, consistent records, features, (all that shit Drake does-the good and the bad. Now you guys have chosen someone else. You have a new King now, King Kendric. Y’all were critical of what I did, and how I ruled over rap. Let’s see what this new King brings y’all. Let’s see if this new King satisfies you like I (Drake) satisfied you.”
This is not counterpoint to you because you already said you don't agree but what I think will happen going forward. I still think Drake will continue to outnumber Kendrick only because of the type of artist Kendrick is. Money is not his primary motivator so he will drop when he drops, Drake will continue to drop records and be the king of summer hits.
As someone who is a fan of Kendrick’s music let me save u the time by saying Kendrick doesn’t do what we his fans want. He just delivers the art when he wants and let us the fans do what we want with it. I don’t expect Kendrick to all of a sudden to start dropping music all the time that won’t be authentic from his part. Remember he been told y’all he wasn’t your savior. So don’t stop listening to Drake just don’t ever put his name next to kdot ever. That’s all most of us Kendrick fans been trying to tell u Drake fans over the last decade.
Its a rap battle. Rap battles are about bars. The owl is Drake trapped and caged behind Kendrick's bars. If Kendrick never drops anything else, the fact remains that Drake (the culture's self proclaimed king) lost fair and square.
IMO this beef for Kendrick is bigger than Drake. He is trying to point to the issue of black US culture and art is constantly stolen, dictated and controlled by people not from it. Drake is the latest example from a long line of culture vultures who make money and change the narrative of our culture. The message is gate-keep our art/ culture like other groups or be erased from the story.
It’s also making everyone pay attention to the media’s and the public’s ignorance for even saying Drake is a top rapper. Yes, he had a handful of hits, but he lacks authenticity, musicality, and lyricism. Yet, he has been placed on that pedestal for so long.
Whose fault is that? People need to stop letting trends and sales compromise the essence of what hip hop is meant to be. Culture, pride, poetry, dance, production, unity, style, etc.
Even more, Kendrick keeps reminding us of how many talented artists we keep underrating and refusing to support properly, not even just the TDE/west coast artists, but rappers consistently putting in work. Drake should have never been in the ranks of rap in the first place, and I’ve been saying this since he graduated from Degrassi High. 😤
You don't often see a black family like that in rap. Embrace it.
Drake with 2 generations of broken families trying to speak on someone elses happy family. weirdo
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Thank you Jarv for shutting down the narrative that Kendrick barely drops. It drives me crazy
Yea that 2020 covid year he was gonna drop but corona...
Its not a narrative though.
@@princemukadi9446 it is, jarv just stated all the projects he dropped. What are u talking about
@@janeli4616 2 albums the last 8 years is consistent?
Drake fans feelings hurt bad 😂
@@briansnyder308 😂😂
I appreciate Masito for the honesty!Going through the grieving stages like an adult.OVO capo in shambles
Ma$e sounding like The Mad Rapper.
“Imma tell you why I’m mad son!.”
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#HipHop
Peace to you brothas.
Some ppl just love quantity over quality
Wop wop wop wop wop🔥🔥🔥
Those arguments that someone has to replace Drake by dropping a new track every 2 months and 2 albums a year is ridiculous. 1. That's how you start releasing nothing but mediocre material. 2. The only way Drake did that for so long was by having a sweatshop and finding younger artists to leech off. The very things that go him cooked in the battle. Most artists have a popping period when they drop every year or every 2 years, then they take a break for 2 or 3 years and start the cycle back up. Kendrick was doing the same thing until the one 5 year break.
The video was lit🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
As a Black father and family man, Kendrick shaming these FANs is needed for the culture. Destroy and Rebuild!!!!
Respectfully to Mase, you are wrong boss. Drake quit with pusha and common. He should chill for a year or two.
Kendrick is looking absolutely happy and fantastic 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Mase just watching his mans Deeni get cooked lmao fight back Deeni fight back lol
Bro Kendrick is one man writing vs a team of ghost writers. You can’t compare a man against a team. The team is gonna release music much faster than 1 man. It’s just common sense.
Maybe this will be the best thing for Drake to do is develop artists on his label instead of harvesting off of them.
QUALITY > quantity
#KdotWON
@ Deeni KDot doesn't have to be out there like Drake. That was the point of it all. Hence the line, only you like being famous.
Thank you! It’s hard to understand why some people don’t get this. Even those of us who aren’t famous. We don’t be on social media at all or telling all our business online. Some people don’t care about that.
K dot video is beautiful legendary La CULTURE Cinematic BITS S/O Dave Free and Kendrick lamar🐐💯🎤👑 2 GENIUS 🎨🖼📚🔥🥶❤️👏🏾🤝🏾✊🏾🙏🏾🐐🐐😤😎👑
The last thing I want is Kendrick becoming a Drake - always trolling on social media & worried about making headlines, dropping all the time low level music just to be on radio all the time. Drake knows how forgettable he becomes if he isn’t omnipresent 24/7. Kendrick is really beloved & his work is truly appreciated whenever he wants to be in public again. He doesn’t need to force it - has proven it so many times already.
Props guys, another dope discussion..no one breaks it down quite like The Roundtable
Juneteenth and the 4th of July.
Drake hate Americans at this point 😂
Great convo... I think the point is being missed here. Again, we are talking about two different types of ARTIST/PEOPLE as an artist, Drake sign on the line and agreed to doing all of that work. KDot did not. He's signed a whole different contract and now kendrick is on his own label. Drake has more pockets to fill and this rap game alone doesn't meet that filling need. We've heard the stories of how rappers are not getting the money they say. But Kendrick is not in an overly obligated contract and Drake is. That's what happens when you sign big money deals. More is expected. I don't think Kdot thinks it is worth his morals and family to submit to that type of life.
Exactly. Does Deeni really like all those Drake projects? I don’t think so. People have been saying for a while, even Drake fans, that his projects are not as strong, except for the latest Scary Hour joint. It’s fine to take some time. I don’t need people to be ubiquitous and then put out wack shit.
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TRUTH!!!☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾
Classic vid 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Legendary just Legendary bruh
Getting killed in a battle shouldnt stop drake from moving how he is moving. Winning a battle shouldnt stop kenny from putting out art at his pace. FOH. Everyone back to regular scheduled programming. The minute Drake moves differently is when he officially gonna go down. He needs to learn from jayz.
I'ma keep it real, Deeni comes off as an embarrassment to New York. He's supposed to know about hip hop but he's bought the lies of a dude from Toronto who doesn't write his own music, and is not from the actual cloth of hip hop. For him to try to take a stand on releases when Mr morale was 22
The tour finished in Nov 23, and we're in 24 with new music and an album on the way....
I'm really not sure bro is hip hop at all. It's like these Drake dudes got brainwashed and stopped thinking logically.
Then he talking about Drake putting hip hop on his back for 10 years? WHERE? WHAT DRAKE ALBUM PAST 2015 was elite level rapping? Stop it. Drake ain't Jay Z, Drake ain't hip hop. Always keeping a pop r&b joint ain't Jay
Oh btw when you write your own music and put out quality, it takes longer
Peace
IT LOOKS LIKE DRAKE HAS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAÀAAAAA MINORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR PROBLEM 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡
Great episode fellas. Y'all cooking
The Obama reference he made regarding how Drake looks is hilarious cus when I watched the video I imagined someone whispering to Drake “Mr 69 god, we lost California” hahaha
Serious and effortless was his vibe
Video's crazy!!
First and foremost SALUTE 🫡 the bros at The Rap Roundtable. Dope ass video. I ain’t catch all the symbolism but I wasn’t really invested in the battle like that. I was fucking with the song so I was definitely anticipating the video and he came with it 💯🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
they New Yorkers so its excusable but Dot and Whitney are b-walking. they from Blood territory in Compton yall
We wouldn’t know lol but we appreciate you putting us on
I like that yall got a balance with the Westcoast and East coast point of views and Yall keeping it a Buck!!!
I wonder why New York lost its hip hop luster. Being from the south yall seem to not love the culture you invented. It’s culture.
💯 it's a difference between new Yorkers and new Yorkers in media. New Yorkers in media seem to mostly be wave riders. That's why you seen all these supposed heads like flex say KDot was relaunching his career. Dudes who'd you'd think are on the side of hip hop are on the side of the wave riding. That's why Cam and Mase was glazing Drake until not like us kept ringing out.
Furthermore I don't think none of these Drake glazers is Brooklyn dudes besides the bought and paid for math Hoffa. Every boro is different and Brooklyn dudes don't be wave riding
Into was Fire!!!!
Gin & Juice was getting burn for damn near 6 months straight
He need to crash out… so I can hear those other five stocks 😂
King Kendrick 👑
When you listed off his albums you skipped Untitled so he’s even more active than you said
The tour ended in March so its only been a few weeks since the tour ended and Like That came out 😂
Idk why they insist on this narrative. Its weird. And what is this baton? What are they talking about? He won. Theres nothing else to prove. I dont think they understand what a battle is. And if we’re being really real this wasnt a rap battle in the first place. Kendrick and a bunch of his former friends are trying to expose him
I’m shocked that that Drake made the same mistake in the Pusha and Kendrick battle: Virginia & Whitney smh. He shoulda kept it hip hop
How ironic is it that the only violence in this entire battle came from the Canadians??
Kendrick really stomped drake out ngl
VÍDEO IS FIRE 🔥
DEENIDEMIKS!!!
Yes Jarv.
When them hbcu bands get ahold of not like us when football season starts. Drake gonna lose another 15 pounds
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He did dispel all the lies because on the devil is a lie part him and Dave free shake hands
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This shit reminded off the flog gnaw booing.. the beginning of the end
I like the back and forth and all but Deeni talking out his ass a little bit. Bottom line is he got beat
Bro Kendrick could flood the streets with pointless bops what’s wrong with your man’s? He thinking making bops some type of science it’s literally the easiest type of music to make if your a a great artist the harder thing to do is make introspection conceptual music that people can relate to and still have mass appeal
Bro look exhausted
Who Jarv?
Salute to MaSe.... 😂😂
32:45 to me it’s the generational difference is what’s at play in this conversation . I come from a generation that doesn’t mind waiting for a good album. But the current generation is use to quick microwaveable music every few months.
@Deeni did you listen to the snippet? In a few words, Kendrick stated that he is “reincarnated” and is in control of his music “babies” and now making his own money for it “broccoli”. He even alluded to this in the Pop Out. He did his set for all of the TDE songs, then he called out PG Lang and was on his fruit from there on.
Can’t drop quality material every couple of months. I’m still listening to Dots old stuff. Maybe they should drop less frequent to give the newer guys the opportunity to step up.
Drake has been getting exposed and chipped away beef by beef. If his reputation got hit, maybe he needs to move differently…ayahuasca maybe? 😂😂😂
Who's popping from NY?
The other point people are missing is that Drake drops so much BECAUSE HE HAS TO!!! he has to fulfill them slave deals he's in. Ironic he's always referencing slaves when he is one.
He looks unhealthy. Some time off should be to his benefit. He got humbled. Who is he gonna ride on, now? One of y’all said “money talks”…this is the whole point. Kendrick is INDEPENDENT. Once again, he can move different.
People are not understanding this was Culture vs Industry! Unfortunately, Kdot tainted Drake’s fan base, and he will not be perceived the same!
I know why the caged Drake sings
People forget we had Covid. TDE or Kendrick had put out something early in 2020 that he was going to drop. I think Covid pushed it back.
Please stop comparing this rap battle to jay and nas, it’s more like 50 and Ja because Ja was almost only a POP and R&B star. So when 50 jumped on his ass, it was strictly HIPHOP. lol plus Drake isn’t nowhere close to Hov 😂😂😂
Aye where you from? What city that is
Javar was on deanni ass this episode man sheesh 😂😂😂 “sorry if i spelled yall name wrong” but dot been active last 2-3 years album just came off the highest grossing hiphop tour ever untill drake and 21 savage 🤷♂️
Amelia Bedelia 😂Jarv😅
Out of ALL the things that get touched on about ‘ol boy; the black face situation is the most egregious; (next to the PDF allegations) and it seems to be rarely brought up, I’m just sayin’. And it’s confirmed with hard proof, no innuendo or insinuating involved…
If Drake took 2 years off, I believe he would come back with a great to classic album.
Based on what?
@dougandolini157 on his talent( or his Ghostwriter talent ). Drake lost the war, but I'm not gonna pretend he isn't talented. He's just not focused on making great music. He's just fulfilling his obligations and releasing too much music. His quality control is missing. If he takes time, he'll find quality again.
Drake is officially Fat Elvis
When that boy Drake respond I don’t want to hear it 😤😤
You mean Respond with that crypt keeper Lookin B_tch Sexy Redd???? Yeah sure buddy I guess the red button is broken😂😂😂😂
@@CLF_Got_WaveyK_900Akbarwipe that mouth boy just know shit about to be up
Let him respond so Kendrick can release the other 6 tracks
WHAT is drake cooking all he's dokie stealing music get fr
'Not Like Us' has a terrible beat selection, it's garbage and so is the video.
Cool story bro
If you're going to be a responsible and real podcast, you're information has to be vetted. Or, you just a ghetto internet show and not a legitimate Hip Hop podcast. Real talk.
What is this in reference to?
This must be Ak or Drake burner
Dafuc you talkim bout?
@@dzine4042 wop wop wop wop wop wop
Chubbs is that you??
Although I do not agree, I’m going to state Deeni’s point.
POV Drake: “When I was the king of this rap shit this is what I did for you: hits, bops, consistent records, features, (all that shit Drake does-the good and the bad. Now you guys have chosen someone else. You have a new King now, King Kendric. Y’all were critical of what I did, and how I ruled over rap. Let’s see what this new King brings y’all. Let’s see if this new King satisfies you like I (Drake) satisfied you.”
This is not counterpoint to you because you already said you don't agree but what I think will happen going forward.
I still think Drake will continue to outnumber Kendrick only because of the type of artist Kendrick is. Money is not his primary motivator so he will drop when he drops, Drake will continue to drop records and be the king of summer hits.
As someone who is a fan of Kendrick’s music let me save u the time by saying Kendrick doesn’t do what we his fans want. He just delivers the art when he wants and let us the fans do what we want with it. I don’t expect Kendrick to all of a sudden to start dropping music all the time that won’t be authentic from his part. Remember he been told y’all he wasn’t your savior. So don’t stop listening to Drake just don’t ever put his name next to kdot ever. That’s all most of us Kendrick fans been trying to tell u Drake fans over the last decade.
Its a rap battle. Rap battles are about bars. The owl is Drake trapped and caged behind Kendrick's bars. If Kendrick never drops anything else, the fact remains that Drake (the culture's self proclaimed king) lost fair and square.
Drake's been putting out a whole lot of mid over the last 5 years. He satisfied nobody.
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Kendrick need to stop sleeping with white women.I can’t take none of these rappers seriously
That joke you just posted it just didn’t hit bro. Try again.
What a weird thing to publicly state and care about as an adult 😂😂😂😂. I swear, Drake fans get weirder by the day.