2021 Ford Mustang Mache AWD Off-Roading In The Snow Range Test
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- In this video I review the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E Off-Roading in the snow range test. I test out the AWD on seasonal dirt roads with snow and examine how it handles. I also determine the amount of range lost with running the heat as well as having it sit outside in 27 degree temperature for 3 hours. I hope you all enjoy this video and will consider supporting my efforts by liking and subscribing.
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Does your car have the calibration update? It is sometimes called Customer Satisfaction Program 21P22?
@@tuminatr Hmmm It has the most recent update to 1.7.1
Hey I see that you're actually very close to me, I live in Lancaster. I have a MachE GT on order and I had a couple questions. I saw your trip where you only used the heater fan on setting 1, now how much would the mileage have changed if you just used the auto setting and set it at like 71. Also I know buffalo can get much colder that 30s and I was just curious how much the range is affected when the temperature is say in the teens? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks
How long do you warm the car up in 30 degree weather?
I have a Premium, the heated seats and steering wheel help to keep the heat use down.
Ford suggests running heated seats and steering wheel to save battery
FYI remote start for 10 minutes will not heat the battery (only the cabin), you have to set a departure time activate battery heating. It takes about an hour to warm up the battery due to the thermal mass.
Interesting!!! Thank you for this
was going to say this. Its also due to the Mach-e only having a 5K watt heater as well. So in my research with the car, if you dont set a departure time in the winter, it suffers greatly for it. NOW Ford SHOULD be letting owners know about this feature in colder climates, but its one of, if not the MOST, important things you do during winter driving.
First, Go Bills!!! Loved your video. The entire Great Valley area is just beautiful. I grew up in Gowanda and used to hunt the hills of Otto, East Otto and Cattaraugus. Also spent many days skiing Holiday Valley, which I spotted in your video. Our MME4x will be here sometime in January.
Thank you so much Clinton... It truly is a magical place! I hiked to a place called little rock city :) You will love the vehicle !!!!
My mpg drops like a rock in my Forester at 75mph too. At 60mph I regularly get 40mpg, at 75 that plummets to about 27mpg
Wow! It uses a lot of energy to go fast! Lots of roads down south and out west have 80mph roads... People go 90+
How cool... Randomly came across this video. I live in Buff and have a FE Mach E. Absolutely hate the car in winter thus far. Enjoyed your video heading down into snowy Ellicottville.
My fellow Buffalodian!! Its been tough in the winter thats for sure. The extreme cold has been rough. One pedal driving is tricky and dangerous. Thank you for watching!
I live in southern Quebec, after your video I really think about getting the premium with ER.
I think that would be a wise choice!
I'm trying to decide the same thing. The 10k upgrade for premium is hefty tho
Great video man! Scenery is breathtaking! I have the first Edition with all the fixings and yea using that heated steering wheel and seats helps with the battery savings. I live in California so we don’t get super cold out here but this car does very well in the rain and is super damn fast. Overall great video man! You are right the car is a beast!
Thank you so much Jason!!! Im going to be driving out west to california very soon! I can't wait :) Im very impressed by the vehicle; ive experienced worse conditions since this video and I am still very pleased especially with only having all season tires!
I have a 2020 Bolt i drive 30,000 miles a year. I live on long island. 62 mph is the magic cruise control number to keep the car fully efficient.
Very interesting! I see a lot of Chevy Bolts at charging stations. Chevy beat Ford to the EV game... Should be interesting to see how each brand progresses their builds.
Found on Reddit! Liking and subbing
Great video man. Good stuff
Thanks so much man!!! Glad you liked and I appreciate you commenting
Enjoyed the video and the scenery. I'm looking to get one of these beast myself, only more 18 weeks. I really didn't like that Ford used the Mustang name, but with the performance side of things it makes sense.
I agree the Mustang name probably shouldn't have been used... You will be so pleased with your purchase. I think Ford spend extra time on this baby. They need to compete with other manufacturers like Tesla!
Do we only remember the fast Mustangs? There were some years in the late 70's and early 80's that the Mustang was running very crappy 4 cylinder engines. If it's built by Ford and they call it a Mustang, [nobody else can, right] then it's a genuine Mustang. It's a lot like Harley Davidson when they came out with the V-rod, your die hards were like, no that's not a Harley. Well, Harley built it, Harley named it, so it's a Harley...!
💥💥💥💥💥💥✔️ The car looks awesome. Seems like a lot of fun to drive. Got to get me one!
You should! Its a great vehicle... I love taking people for rides who have never experienced electric too. Its enjoyable
Great review. I live in the UK and we don't snow like you do in Buffalo.
Thank you Stuart!!! The snow has been brutal this winter! I have driving in much morse than this video and its done a great job. Some slips but it recovers like a charm
You should do the same test and put your heat and fan on automode because system gonna shut down when the temperature is set .
Interesting! I will try this out... Thank you!
Hey I see that you're actually very close to me, I live in Lancaster. I have a MachE GT on order and I had a couple questions. I saw your trip where you only used the heater fan on setting 1, now how much would the mileage have changed if you just used the auto setting and set it at like 71. Also I know buffalo can get much colder that 30s and I was just curious how much the range is affected when the temperature is say in the teens? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks
Hey Dan! Love Lancaster, my god parents live there! The Auto Setting will determine the fan speed and temp to get the cabin to a comfortable temperature. If you are looking to conserve energy I would adjust heat yourself, it doesnt take much to warm things up. When the temperature is below freezing and in the teens you probably lose 40 miles of range depending on wind chill, ect. What I noticed is the cold you drive slower which helps range so you get some back too. Lots of range loss when running heat on high and when its freezing outside
Great video. Very informative.
Thank you for your comment and compliment!
Hi there COE.... Can I ask, what tyres were on the Mache and what pressures did you have the tyres at? Much appreciated!
Hey Tony... I have my PSI at 35 - The tires are Michelin Primacy A\S
@@MatthewManzella Much appreciated!! 👍
MACH-E have huge battery buffers even after the upgrade that released more battery. Whenever possible charge to over 90% it will also give better accurate estimates of range. The 80% thing is BS on a car that has plenty of buffer. So judging from the range this sounds like the standard smaller battery with AWD? One more observation, a long road trip is 500 miles and above.
You are correct! It does say in the Manuel to not charge past 80% but I agree with you. The cars buffer was a great design feature to protect the battery. I’m getting the update this Wednesday at the dealer. I was driving 1,300 miles per month 60 mile commute everyday with at home charging 110v. I make sure to charge as soon as I get home and even with cold temps I only stopped at super charger 2 times
It was 175-miles showing @ 27F, how many miles does it normally show at say 60-80F (more or less)?
Yeah, i think all manufacturers need to do a better job with the range Guess-o-Meter.
Highest I saw recently was 203
Bouncing between the lanes is because you need to set the lane centering to the most aggressive setting. Looser = less aggressive centering = bouncing.
Thanks for the video! Ordered mine beginning of November, still waiting on a build date!
Thank you for the information! So many settings in the vehicle... Learning more and more about it. Its going in for a dealer factory software update soon too ! Thanks for watching :)
What mode are you driving in? I heard you mention 1 pedal but are you in whisper, engage, or unbridled? I would assume whisper is best for snowy and icy terrain?
I was in whisper... I agree whisper is the way to go in the winter and it was 1 pedal... Def have to get used to one pedal in the winter
@@MatthewManzella Thanks! Can't wait to pick up my MME but I've definitely been kind of scared about having to learn 1 pedal in the winter. Hoping the learning curve is easy. Great video!
That dinging while going through the snow, was that the car complaining about the impact sensors getting covered?
When snow gets stuck and covers a sensor you do get a dinging sound. I believe this did happen once during the video but I also did not have my seatbelt on at one point
It's the seat belt warning.
What model is this? The Select AWD Standard or Premium AWD? I noticed that you don't have heated seats or steering wheel.
AWD Standard :)
I have to question the range and battery charge loss you reported occurring during your three hour hike.
I have the same model MME and have not experienced significant loss of battery charge when the car is parked. Not over days much less three hours. And mine has been exposed to similar temperature conditions.
I don’t question that the range can change over a short period of time as the algorithm incorporates current and expected temperatures. I have seen range prediction fall and rise without any change in the percentage of charge.
What I have not experienced is any sort of phantom drain of energy from the charge pack in such a short period of time. Extrapolating from your three hour loss of 5%, sitting 12 hours over nite the car would lose 20%.
I haven’t experienced this. Nor has anyone on the support forums made such a claim.
Did you restart the car during your hike?
Have you experienced any similar drop in your battery’s charge level when the car is sitting and not “on”?
Not sure how else to do it... I did nothing between filming. When I parked, I showed it and when I got back to vehicle I immediately filmed it. I didnt do anything in between... I am thinking wind chill is another factor
What line of Mach is this, is dual motor. Standard or extended range Battery, is this one with only 211 mile range, as you should small base wheels on this one
AWD Standard Range
As you were climbing the hill to your destination, what was the chime that can be heard several times?
Believe my seatbelt 😬
Which tires model you take for the test?
Did you have it in off road Mode? Or just normal?
It’s AWD… No off road mode that I’m aware of! You have whisper, Normal and then Unbridled. I had it in whisper to reduce tire spin
Would you spend the 10k dollar to upgrade to a premium with larger battery
Living in the cold, I would highly suggest going with the premium. My daily commute was 70 miles a day and during extremely cold temps at times I had range anxiety
@@MatthewManzella great advice thanks for all the replies. Loving the camping trip too! Looked great
Hi there, I see your interesting video showing the Mustang on "normal" snowy roads. I am living here in the Black Forest in Germany and we have much snow in winter with mountainous and partially small roads. What about the use of snow chains - any difference to standard vehicles? What experience do you have concerning the driving on such difficult snow conditions with the Mustang? Any comments or questions welcome
Hey! Amazing this video can reach across the globe :) I am driving on regular all season tires and have been driving in much worse snowier conditions since I posted this video. I would say snow chains would be a good idea or simply winter tires. I have an AWD with all season tires and have slipped a few times. The weight of the vehicle really helps it too... Studded tires would be ideal too
So full charge distance?
Which battery do you have?? Extended or standard?
I have an AWD standard. Summer months I was getting around 250 mile range on full battery
@@MatthewManzella Doing 75 mostly?
Heated seats use less battery, so maby use that instead?
Ford does recommend using heated seats and heated steeling wheel vs heat to concern energy.
nice drive.
Thank you!
Looks like such a great vehicle but who needs anxiety about if you can make it to your destination or not. I want to enjoy a road trip - not be in fear the whole time. Who wants to be anxious and freezing cold in a car because you might not make your destination if you turn the heat on...lol
I love your hat! Where can I get that? Looks cute on you!
You just plan your trip and hit a DC fast charger on the way. No different than having to worry about stopping for gas. Chargers are becoming more and more common. People made the same argument you're making when they transitioned from horses to internal combustion engine vehicles.
Thank you Planet!!! The EV does take some planning and thinking ahead. You can always overcharge the vehicle so you lessen the anxiety or if you are " cutting it close " turn the heat off and drive slower haha But you are right it does take some extra thinking. The hat I purchased at Gander Mountain years ago but they went out of business. I believe its camping world now :) Might be able to find something similar at Cabelas :) Thank you for watching !!
Im hearing word that Electrify America is on pace to have more chargers than Tesla! That is impressive !
is this the 70 kwh model ?
15 mile loss for 3 hours of sitting is a lot to loose. It really needs a heat pump like model 3 , hopefully Ford puts that one day like tesla did.
Totally agree Tony... The heat pump would help out so much! Its been tough running the heat when temps are hovering around 10 degrees. Drains the battery fast
Heat pumps get kiwi inefficient at anything from 20 to 25 F. So while they would be better for moderate cold they aren't going to gang much advantage in extreme cold.
why no winter tires installed?
No winter tires... YET. I wouldn't say it is a must maybe because the all seasons are brand new. But next winter they will be added!
You didn't really loose 30-35 percent range, instead you used 30-35 percent of the battery energy for heat.
A gas car heats a car for free, provided that you need heat.If you don't, it is 100% waste heat that the car is making at all times. Otherwise only about 30-40 percent of that energy goes from the tank to actual distance travelled.
An EV, being 70-80 percent efficient, conservatively, in terms of energy stored to distance travelled only appears more sensitive to range loss in winter. Basically you dive for 25% as cheap as gas in the summer, and no worse than 50-60 as much as gas in the winter.
Batteries and gas store energy, not distance....
Nice Vid
"Unlike gas which gives the mileage is shows"... incorrect. Put in an address of 100miles away and it will say that. Turn on sat nav and it won't alter the range until its driven snd it is affected by the heating"
Gas vehicles do a better job estimating the milage you have vs electric
@@MatthewManzella no they don't. If I get in an ice car it may show 400 miles. If I turn on ac before driving, it still shows 400 miles. If I do a 400 mile trip then the ice car won't be able to estate the ac use. Instead, the 400 range of fuel will run down quicker due to the ac being on. In my ev, if I do the same example, even from stationary, the car predicts the impact of ac before you've even started to drive. So then it up and the range decreases, turn the fan speed up one notch and it decreases. That's predicting.
@@paulevans7560 Every gas car I have ever owned does a fairly decent job giving you the correct MPG regardless of running heat or AC. The point is that EV's have a much harder time estimating range vs ICE. Both are still predicting but gas much more accurate.
You are on all season tyres ? Dude WTF ! I reckon the larger battery "extended range" battery with RWD and really good Winter tyres would actually be better than AWD with the smaller battery and All Season tyres. Yes, big battery, AWD and great Winter tyres is the best combo but more expensive and less range than big battery and RWD.
For sure!!! Winter tires would make this car a beast !
Cant get large battery in his car
please wear your seatbelt when recording, the chime is annoying.
Good point, I will remember this!
If you reset your driving history it will add mileage to your car.
Interesting! Im going to try this out !
1:25 if Ford just put a Heat Pump in, the heater wouldn’t hurt the range so much. It would have 1/2 or 1/4 of the impact as their ancient resistance electric heat tech. Shame.
So true... I wonder why this didnt knowing this is proven to help with range
Mache, is that Fench or Spanish
" Mach " then you say E for electric... I believe Mach is used in math or for speed
73F i would melt lol 68f bro!
This is the reason all electric cars should have minimum 350 to 400 mile range because of range loss as in winter you loose almost 40 % , 200 mile range do not cut it, unless you use it just grocery shopping.
I couldn't agree more! Having an EV in cold temps/snowy conditions is tough without the right setup. Having a short commute and having a 240 line for charging. 110v you have to plug in every day and I wouldnt exceed 60 mile total commute if only 110 line charging
It would be better if they used a heat pump. Electric heat is “100%” efficient but AC is something like 1200 to 1400% - so since a heat pump is like 300% to 400% better than what Ford put in here, you’d get back a TON of range.
These vehicles are the wrong choice for these climates!! I have one and im super happy with it but I live in a warm climate. Always have 270 range on my extended range Mach E. Very happy. Not so happy with the narrow tires and slow roll out of software updates.
Not necessarily, I have observed that the effect on the range when running the heat is very close to running the AC. Mild climates are best for range. I have a Premium XR AWD and just put all-weather 18" factory size 225/60/18 104v tires and select wheels on the car. My efficiency is up and I took a similar 40 mile round trip at 19 degrees. The GOM said 224 miles of range when I left my house (battery preconditioned and charged to 90%) it said 222 miles range when I got home. The trip meter recorded the 42 miles driven at 3.5m/kwh and that's quite good. I think the 18" tires have a better ride less bouncy more smooth and the Vredestein Quatrac tires I chose handle corners much better. I would agree that the factory 19" Michelin tires are not great but it's rare for the factory tires on anything to be really good.
I agree, my commute is 30 miles one way. 60 miles 5 times a week is tricky especially without 240v charging at home
@@MatthewManzella Just got back from a road trip Saint Paul to Fargo car averaged 2.8kwh/m on the way up and 2.9kwh/m on the way back with the heat @ 67 degrees on auto fan on auto. This is real good for the winter
@@MatthewManzella it seems that the distance you describe would be no problem as long as you are able to charge at home nightly. That seems to be the advantage of an EV despite the comparatively short range . While a conventional car could easily do the 300 miles/week on one fill up, an EV could essentially do it without ever dealing with stopping to fill up since it’s all done at home. However, if home charging was unavailable, time lost charging would be a major inconvenience, especially in cold weather operation.