That's very unnatural aim tracking for sure. This turned into a horror movie though when the person in question turned around and there's a King Crab just standing there for a jump scare
Its unnatural because its a joystick and not a mouse. Dragging your thumbstick is this exact motion Aim bots usually jitter and move WAY more egregiously, its why captcha's have to click a box to prove you're not a robot, they're tracking that weird movement.
@@Xetelian Because you get money and XP for destroying components, so sometimes you want to pick off arms or side torsos first. Or, you suspect someone "skipped leg day" and you want to see if they have ammo in their legs. It may sound weird, but I've had teammates get frustrated because the other team were a bunch of noobs and didn't torso twist, so they died quickly, and we won with low damage scores. A couple of teammates complained that the match didn't pay well. If it was more like MW5, and payment was like "You completed the mission: True or False?" then we'd want head shots all the time.
This screams cheater to me. This is a new guy, buying cheats for a old game that has online play, wants to ruin someones days, doesn't know how the game works, and doesn't fire because of a blind panic. This just screams cheater to me. Im not saying he is 100% a cheater, but defnitly highly suspicious...
na TTB would never play with new players, he is tier 1, and new players start at tier 5! this player is a tier 1 or 2, and TGB talked about don't go hunting for this and you know who i am talking about, he knows this player
@@last_dutch_hero258 yes i do know that, i used to be tier 2.5 then when they changed the MM algorithm i began slipping in the tiers. I would get 4 or 5 kills in a match, sometimes i would be the only one that got kills and we would lose. i am close to the bottom of tier 5 now, my play style has not changed. That's why i stopped playing in DEC 2022, the game is broken badly!
@@expfighter5112 I'm tier 3 and I get matched with TTB, Sean lang, Charlie magne and others. I think if the player pool is low enough it draws from all tiers.
haha this is true, but at long range it matters and in close range, you gain and edge if you can scan and locate parts of your enemy, that are already broken.
This is true, the cheaters often lose because they rely on their cheats and old dogs like me find them and leg them fast. new players and cheaters often dont know anything about turn defence, object shielding, timers, heatlevels and legging.
My lance got accused by an opponent a while back of using wallhacks. Still not sure what he thinks he saw. Only thing I can think is that he was very shocked that their lance of heavies ran into another lance of heavies in the Frozen City Night tunnels, like it was some high level strat.
@@SheyD78 Right…so what your saying is we just got a first person view of how your lance already behaves. “Uh Oh, Gosh which component do I shoot? Let me shoot some lasers and just spray it across their whole body” At the end of the day my worthless AI MW5 lance could probably do more dmg than this person if they couldn’t even break 300 using an aim bot…
i was playing a few days ago and watched someone get 3 headshots in 40 seconds. very odd considering he was hit by missiles and did it with an AC 10 lol. pinpoint accuracy
meck warrior online dont have any anti cheats, and if you in the game claim somone is cheating, you get burried by people that claim your just bad at the game. my record is 6 kills in one game, i have an avrage of 2.5- killing 1 is actually enough to winn, if you also have a few assists. even with my 12 years of expirence, my tear 5 rating and about 3-1 kill rating, i can not accuse anyone of cheating, i just get bombarded by comments that i dont have enough skill to play.
@@perfrchandersen4853 well , there is some truth to what they are saying. Your pilot skill rating isn't just based upon your KDR. that is only a fraction of it. I have 2 accounts. One I play serious and one I Smurf around on. My serious one is a pretty baseline KDR, it's pretty low. But it's Pilot Skill rating is a Tier 2/1, I float between the two. My Smurf account has a high KDR 3- 4.5, but floats between tier 4-6. Depending on how reckless I get. The game takes into account of how much "teamwork" you contributed, in certain aspects of damage and shared damage. If you are just trying to Rambo it, in and amongst your team, and not really coordinate, then those scores will be low as well. Anyone can run around and wait to pick of the weakest mech. that doesn't make you a good pilot. Anyone can build an assault with basically a 2 button kill alpha, that doesn't make you a good pilot. Contributing across the board, does. All these UA-camrs and Streamers do one thing very well - work with the team as much as possible. And when it's a wash, they turn it into great content. But all the really good games (beside the clutch games and imbalanced pilot skill ratings where people just get slaughtered) are all teamwork based, or team oriented. TTB might be a solo player, but he utilizes the team as much as possible in a team fashion. It's what helps him succeed. So, what I am saying is, maybe it's because you are trying to hard to solo it, and not be a team player. I speak from experience. I used to attempt to solo Rambo it... and got nowhere and was always in the lower tiers. then I started my other account and started playing WITH the teams given. And my Tier shot up within a week. Once I understood the synergy in the teams, it all made sense. And as you go up in tier, the game changes. Radically. Better pilots, with better mech builds, and better strategy. It's literally a different "feel" to the game once you get above tier 3. And this is my favorite area to play. Tier 2-3. Because you aren't playing against 100% sweaties, and you aren't playing with any fresh people. Tier 2-3 I believe is where most good casual players, who enjoy the game actually are. BUT I also love just crashin and bashin, so I keep my lower tier account for that as well. MWO has a problem with match making because of the low population it has and its complex Pilot Rating system it utilizes. I think when the pop is too low, it goes directly to "mech score" and tries to even it out as much as possible. Also, time of day is a thing to consider if you are trying to go up in tier as well. Certain times of day are more less, better or worse, to play during too.
I played a game in which I got 3 head shots in a row, I thought I was cheating, next game I died in the first 3 mins. Sometimes you get perfect aim.. but the way this guy was targeting and following certain comps is suspicious. As punishment they should apply a second bot that makes all his shots do no damage and not tell him about it. :)
Had a 3 heavy ppc awesome. One match I head shot 3 people for 1 shot one kill in rapid succession. Then 1 shot kills on several damaged mechs. Killed most of the team with one shot each. Was crazy lucky. Never had a match like that since.
I have that same build. It's also the reason why I shrink my head armor down for weight when needed. If they hit me in the cockpit so be it because there's nothing stopping that 45 damage to the dome from killing you. I usually just armor enough to eat a double gauss shot (structure + armor >= 31) but there's plenty of people running the double heavy goose, HPPCs, etc that I'm starting to care less lol
The thing i never got about cheating is...imagine you get a reputation for being good. Everyone thinks you're a good player...and you just get to live that lie. Itd be one thing if there were money, fame, or even some prestige. But for MWO...it just makes you the coolest nerd. To be faking that is a whole level of sad i cant even be mad. I just feel sorry for them.
But they can make money.... thru streaming.... and tournaments..... We have seen the big stage of popular FPS / BR games being plagued with cheaters in their live tournaments.
That's been my attitude for the last 25 years of online gaming (yep, salty mechdad here lol). After all these years I've realized that if you're cheating in online games, it's mostly a self-esteem boost that you can't (or don't) get anywhere else. It's a video game version of the Instagram "models" that need the clicks and likes or whatever in order to feel good about themselves. Feeling sorry for them is probably the right attitude, but at the end of the day I think the cheaters just need a good hug
Nah, what he caught is a goofy thumbstick on someone HOTaS or other peripheral Aim bots usually target specific parts of the model, the ones they had back in Counter Strike source would jump to the color of the head of the model. So the idea that is selects limbs is something I'm not sure can exist when you can color your mechs.
ive been playing mwo for a few weeks now and have not run into any cheaters. I was kind of wondering if there were any cheaters in this game. Guess there are. Oh well, still haven't run into anyone and i'm having a blast.
you will see the cheaters at the tier 1 and 2 levels! that's where TTB plays, tier 1! lower tier players (5 and 4) just get annihilated by these cheaters.
I've played for years now and this is the first time I've even HEARD of cheaters. They're decidedly not prevalent. Either way, cheaters are obviously gonna rank up to high skill tiers quickly, which means you're unlikely to run into them much tbh
Due to the nature of the game cheats have less of an impact in MWO. Unless you go for headshots, which would be very obvious and suspicious, a cheat here makes about the difference between a bad player and a good player. Yes, ofc it definitely has an impact, but you're not turning into a god
I wouldn't worry mate. I've been playing off and on since launch (2012). Seen the occasional butthurt whinger claiming whoever killed them "musta been cheating" but never really had any reason to suspect. I *have* played with and against some very good tier 1 players, and with skill you can definitely be good enough that potatoes like me might find your match score indistinguishable from magic, but likewise I've also killed 5 mid tier players in (damaged) assaults in an end of match clutch streak with an unskilled locust so, yknow, luck and surprise go a long way...
Unfortunately cheating in MWO has been going on for a very very long time and even by people AND content creators. Just came back after 2 years and almost nothing has changed in MWO.
Remember when they found out about the tarkov hidden community of aimbotters and wall hackers that linus tech tips live stream covered. They exist in every game but are much harder to catch these days.
At a minimum very strange, I have played on and off since the beginning never have I seen folks aiming and not shooting. More common to see extreme overheats.
Ike, it's like the opposite of typical potato tactics! I once literally scored my first kill in ages because my mouse broke just enough to force me to actually hide and reset my lmb before laservomiting again...
When the Viper lagged, and the aim *snapped* too the correct "pathway" it would have taken had there been NO lag hiccup ... the slowed down fight between this person and the viper and King Crab makes sense if you are the cheater who just realized TTB is watching you ..... So I wonder if it is someone testing their program out, or possibly an AI bot test. Edit: Also I noticed how people were reacting to the person in question. It seemed like they weren't firing much at them, as in they couldn't really target them. The fight between the King Crab/Viper and the person in question, was an odd fight altogether. The KC didn't fire much at all. they might have been out of ammo / too close for minimum range for their load out, but I doubt that.
The one time I was sure I'd encountered a person aimbotting was when I got headshot by the same guy 3 times in a row with PPCs from over 500m, each time the very moment that I came out of cover relative to him and each time I was coming out of cover in a different spot. There's lucky, or being good at snapshots, and then there's that.
What were you in? Like, Hellbringers have huge head hitboxes, they aren't all the time, you can look up the paper doll on their forums, so you may have just had an easier to hit head, like I know where the AS7 cockpit is in this game as do a lot of people. So it could be a lot of things.
@@jadekaiser7840 I've watched streams and seen people who know how to target heads without automated help but they're few and far between. Most people don't memorize the paper doll of 80 mech chassis
I think the tracking itself isn't suspicious alone. I mean have you seen Overwatch Tracer Pro players? Way faster gameplay and they manually track extremely fast moving targets with extreme precision. But the component switching is quite unusual and suspicious. But what really get's me to believe that this could be an aimbot is that usually someone with such a high skill level in tracking wouldn't be so hard out of position. I mean it's clear to me that this needs to be investigated but it's not a 100% for me. Especially because we don't get a 1:1 Replay with where that person really aimed at.
Anyone ever watching me play will NEVER accuse me of using an aimbot! LOL I'm lucky to hit the mech, let alone lock aim on any component! As for the player in the video, yes, that is an aimbot.
I'm not great but the discord servers are usually full of people who will give tips. If you're looking to do a lot of damage the weapons you choose and how you use them is going to make a world of difference
One time way back in the day, idk maybe like 2016 there was a centurion that walked right into the middle of an entire lance by himself and every single assault in the lance was unloading on him and he took 0 damage for like a good minutes haha. It really is sad to cheat in a game like this.
I really love that you have such faith in the MWO player base that you're legitimately surprised you caught someone cheating. I think it's pretty rampant especially among a certain type of player. Which is sad.
I had a game recently where an urban mech was flipping his cockpit around 180 degrees instantly and had suspiciously good aim at the same time. Unfortunately I couldn't record it but I managed to submit a report on him for cheating before the match ended.
I dunno, every time I lose, it's because of hackers and bull sh*t, hahahaha. But in all seriousness, I would say it looks very suspicious to me. I think because every time I see a video by TTB, DATA, or Scout Derek (3 very good players) I never see the target reticle bounce around like that while perfectly targeting components. But, that's just my 2 cents, I could be wrong.
I saw this when it dropped a year ago. I thought "oh no now that infection is infecting MWO..." So I haven't run across it as much in the year since as I feared I might. But lately. Over the last few months... I keep getting hit by headshots. About once a month or so. Now, I love headshots myself. I make them usually from 20 metyers out to as far as 300 or so. 300 being rarer with 100 to 150 being the sweet spot. And I do realize a certain amount of luck involved. A few times taking the shot I would hit the head and go "Really? I got lucky" because of distance or movement or what have you in battle interfering with such a precision shot. But for over 6 months now at least once a month either a headshot kill or an attempted headshot (my head turns yellow but no cigar) and most times I am running my main form of mech which is one of my Direwolves. Worse over the last few months I noticed it coming form members of a certain group even. These are typically 700 m or more distance headshots the last one yesterday coming from someone at the time 900m away. Of the certain team of course. That one really irritated me as first the attempt. Head is yellow. So then I engage a bit more and 4 min later boom second headshot connects and I am done and the kill is by someone from that certain group/team. I am running a Dire with the tartan camo with lots of yellows and a yellow decal flag over the whole nose inc cockpit also colored yellow. At over 700 m was the second shot... On Caustic. Yeah. Yellow camo and yellow decals on Caustic at over 700 m while I am moving and twisting battling with a closer mech about 300 m away and this guy nails mu head at long range. I was in Faction and was my first mech in a deck of 4. Kinda took the wind outta m y sails there. Did ok after, but your left wondering the rest of the longggg Faction drops, why? I could be getting groceries, changing the oil on my car or playing any other game so why am I wasting time dealing with cheating when in a year I haven't even seen Piranha address the issue now that it is here? For the last 6 months now I have even been in drops with several players calling out the insane long headshots on people on my pug drop team. They are so bold now as to be dropping 2 or 3 players with stupid long range headshots in the 700 to 1000 m range. On the few times it has happened that the offending player responds it of course is some "Git gud" remark against the victims.
Hoping to get back after a coupla years hiatus myself, i remembered the first purge of cheaters back then, sad to see it still happening. Hope wen cheaters get caught that all his kills to whomever gets redacted from their stats.
Thanks TTB! There are cheaters in the game. More lately. I notice odd things. I noticed yesterday with another player tbat an enemy player showed blue instead of red until he fired at him it went red.
I have come across this as well in the past week or so. It was super confusing when what I thought was gonna be war crimes turned out to be a surprise attack from the cover of a blue Dorito.
Not really seeing anything particularly suspicious. At full speed looked pretty normal and slowed way down looked a little weird but things often look weird slowed way down. In the end even if he was it seemed more a hindrance than a help in the situation you highlighted.
@@tarron3237 The only people that need to lay off the copium are the people who can't seem to accept the reason they lost is more often than not due to their own incompetence than because someone is cheating. I acknowledge there are cheaters out there I just don't see anything particularly suspicious about this particular video, and even if this person was cheating it clearly didn't help. In fact, it seems to have been more of a hindrance.
It is lag and the player is probably a mechdad with a joystick. We all know the spectators don't see what players see, the UAVs will look unused and the reticle isn't accurate at all, hits look like misses and such.
Looking at the situation @7:48 frame by frame, when he claims the aim "snaps" to components. I haven't played MWO in years, so I don't remember what all the HUD elements are. I assume the blue square is the actual cursor. The cursor swipes the Crab, and spends total of 2 frames on the arm, then swipes the legs of the smaller mech, spending only ONE frame on the right leg. And yet he calls out this single frame by saying "snap", as if he has just presented the murder weapon with fresh bloody fingerprints. I'm certain that I could take replay footage from any of you, slow it down, and say the word "snap" every time your cursor hits a component of an enemy mech. And here is the kicker... EVERY part of a mech is SOME component. And if your cursor doesn't stay perfectly on a specific component, then I can go "see how he is toggling between components". This isn't compelling evidence, unless you are already itching for a good ol' witch hunt and a lynching.
@@theoverseer530 It is just a dude with a thumbstick You ever get stopped by a Capcha? It makes you 'click to prove you're not a robot' The way bots click is WAY different than this, that is how they detect them
You can do this exact movenement with a thumbstick Last time I saw an aimbot in action it moved like a robot and jittered a lot, you know, the kind of movement they look for when you click on a "I am not a robot' captcha Not sure why cheaters would want to target limbs, you can't kill a mech with a leg or an arm
This one is kind of hard to tell. It could be an aimbot, or it could be a newbie coming to grips with the controls or a higher sensitivity. The locking on is suspicious, but I couldn't say for certain if that's what is happening in real time, and sometimes slow motion can "reveal" things that aren't there. I am leaning towards aimbot though. The movements are just a bit too twitchy. That said, I have seen some really egregious aim bots on mechs that have free swinging arms. It's very easy to tell with those.
There is a transition from just moving around and positioning to “aiming” and it’s more than night and day different. It’s active when looking in the borders of a red square then it’s normal when not.
This could be a joystick The guy is missing too often to explain both the weird smooth scroll that is seen in a few instances but not throughout For an aimbot to be of any use it'd need to target the CT and let you drill it out or the head, but people are claiming they cycle through limbs to 'appear legit' but I don't think the average consumer can think that far ahead after buying an aimbot...
That has to be the most hazardous script they could buy ... They might always hit something, but they'll die before they drill through an opponent if it keeps bouncing components like that. Especially if it locked a light mech behind them, exposing their back to something larger and grouped up.
The whole exchange, is quite 'lore-friendly', in theme. Some inexperienced 'hot-shot' piloting a mech with some 'forbidden and forgotten' example of an experimental/LosTech DI, ends up getting his arse handed to him due to simply 'biting off more than he could chew'. IMO, this is what the BattleTech 'meta' is all about :D
Good Job calling this out TTB!! I have left so many games due to cheating.. Tarkov.. of which I was a founder buyer .. WoT is another one.. cheating is killing games.
I think I found another AIMBOT cheater. I emailed PGI about it but like your comments, doubt it'll be read. Player "chaotic neutrality" in season 90 he's ranked 14,803 with average match score of 200. Yet he's got 530 kills, 75 deaths in 174 matches. That an average of 3 kills per match. I loaded up the match today in a marauder with a headshot
I love this game, I'm terrible at it 75% of the time, but it is fun to push yourself to improve. If you have to cheat to improve, then you've failed at life. I truly hope that is just a super sensitive mouse and someone that good, but I can see the truth plain as day in the aim. Noone is that precise on a computer. ESPECIALLY in MWO.
I don't know it's really hard to say on this one. I think when he was going back-and-forth between the 2 . He just Realized that that was a king crab or he was trying to get. A lock on to see if it was easy kill. I set my dpi 500 -800 so I can hit Components easier.
I aim well, but this is supernatural. I have tuned my mouse sensitivity in-game and my mouse's DPI to work very well together. There's just no way a person can aim this well when the torso, legs, and arms are all moving in different directions. I aim very accurately, but I usually have to come to a near stop to track a component in my Black Lanner.
If anyone hasn't seen "the video" regarding hackers in Tarkov and all multiplayer games as a whole, look it up. Chances are? You have almost *always* been playing with/against at *least* 1 hacker, in every popular multiplayer game you have ever played (PC of course). I suggest those interested have a gander at A.I. driven anti-hack technology, there is a solution in the works.
The thing about that Tarkov issue was that the hackers actually had such a tight nit community that they were able to hide how bad the hacking was in that game. The hacking community and thier customers got way more savvy about being caught. A lot of the hackers now screen out people that would blow the cover of their biz these days.
He just enabled targeting computer! (Ctrl Alt + T)..... Having icons indicating the centres of components would be a nice gameplay feature (if you had TC installed). Still have to manually aim at them of course. Assuming this players team still lost.
I'm saying 100% The time frame between each time they focus on a new component is so fast and random that there is no way a human is doing that unassisted. Even from a logic point of view there is no reason to do that when you already have target information and should just wait for an opening for the best shot. The thing is, even if they are cheating, they are so bad at using it that it's inconsequential to gameplay whether or not they banned lol. On principle though, they should be.
Hey, I think a new cheat has been made, last few days I have started to notice aimhackers and wallhackers. They do not matter as much in other games but still, not a fun experience Btw this is nothing compared to more obvious aimhackers. I saw spider literally locking on to the cockpits of mechs with machine guns. It was way way waaaay more obvious no doubt about that.
I quit playing MWO because everyone denies any cheating going on. Others claim it has minimal impact. Bottom line is that if it is happening it ruins the fun of the game. I think there are more hackers than you could imagine at the higher levels. There are ways to verify it. Screenshot installed in client would go a long way to verify. Just submit and detect for oddities with AI.
@@Veevslav1 Well, you could make the sign, but you'd have to pay to get me to wear it But, since the prevelance of cheaters in MWO is so so so low, I find your statement silly
I couldn't see what you meant, until the 5:30 or so mark when it seemed to cycle between body parts. It looks like the aimbot goes counter clock wise on parts.
5:52 then why did it drag away from both mechs at this point The 5:30 looks odd but my best guess is he is using a joystick, because making an AIMbot that shoots arms would be really stupid when you could just drill through the CT
I've never actually seen an aimbot before, so I really couldn't judge. Having said that, parts of that did seem pretty suspicious. I guess it's inevitable that some people will cheat... but in a game with a PSR/ELO mechanic they're just making life for themselves more difficult. I'm not at all surprised that someone who cheats would run an all ERLL build. Having watched it again, I notice that while you're watching frame by frame the reticule is _continually_ switching between components within just a few frames (fractions of a second). Tier 1 players might reliably accomplish that with a stationary target, I find it difficult to believe that anyone might do it reliably with a target that's not only dodging horizontally but also vertically. The pilot has 2 of 3 weapons ready to fire while totally cold (ie very much a thing that people who are not proficient with the game do) while he has a near perfect back shot lined up. He then switches to an arm and shoots right past the mech, with what seems to me to be a delayed reaction or perhaps just trusting that the aimbot would hold the lock while he finally realised that he had a viable shot (likely because it was tracking faster than he could make decisions). The fact that his lightning reflexes don't match up with his methods and decisions to shoot are inarguably incongruous. One can't both have split second, hyper-accurate reflexes in one kind of control and not in another within the same kind of physical movement and mental faculty within the same infinitesimal time frames.
There really isn't a ELO in QP, Matchmaker starts throwing out restrictions the lower the pop gets to make faster queues happen. The matchmaker doesn't really care if someone is T5 or T1 most of the time.
I once played 1v1 Solaris with my YLW. I did 2 headshots with 2 shots out of my AC/20 and didnt fire my MPulse. 100% Headshots fired. And after the first headshot I thought "Damn, this Shot was wasted, I will never hit the Head again.". I only once had this much luck. Sorry to the Cougar I killed.
Protip: Slowmo video will help you to see some things but watching it in regular speed really show show alien the aim looks. Yes, obv aimbot: the deceleration as he swings wildly past a component and then the cursor doubles back is just not normal aiming. "pushing a button that cycles the component" Nah, this looks like the same aimbot I see all the time in MWO, just think of it like the cursor has a little magnet on it that when it gets close enough to a component it pulls more towards it. Good catch TTB.
Recently I saw a "Catapult" with 2*HGauss (there was a premaid of 4 "Catapults" in that match with similar pilot names), which placed at least several cockpit hits at complex-moving targets. 🤦♂ Morons never learn.
Cheating in a game where there's an automatic live spectate for your dead teammates. Dude was probably counting on people not caring or the community not being used to having cheaters in the game that they'd miss the signs.
I'm not an expert but I didn't really understand what I'm seeing if it's aim botting. I'm not seeing the "snap" stuff you're talking about. Please explain to me like I'm in need of crayons because I'm not seeing it.
Maybe a person plays very actively, and successfully, in some cs go, and has a very high speed and accuracy of mouse pointing, has a high speed of decision-making. ps Sometimes, a person who plays as if he is a cheater, actually plays at a level that is unattainable for you, while being absolutely honest. I remember 20 years ago, in the days of computer clubs, the accusation of cheating was like a compliment :D pss all cheaters are bastards!
So does this mean that there no anti cheat system in MWO, also if people are paying real money to support comp play is this a issue that needs to be addressed immediately?
No anti cheat. Considering that games like Helldivers 2 got review bombed for having anti cheat, I'd like the audience for these games to make up their minds, you can't avoid cheaters either way but why put filth on your PC?
This more than likely someone playing the game with a x-box controller and needing the extra 'help' from the aimbot. It's really sad, I've never seen the point to cheating but it's everywhere in the on-line gaming community. Its the main reason that MWO is the only on line game I waste any time with and even then, not more than a handfull of games per day, unlike in closed beta where I'd play for 7-8 hours.
Could the player be an actual AI? It is both very accurate at locking on but seems to lack the knowledge of when to fire. It seems that a human intelligence takes over at the end to start shooting.
i have been playing since game started years and years and years ago, i have literally never nailed a headshot(im really bad at the game though) i cant say ive ever felt like anyone was actually cheating though so this must be particularly egregious.
As someone who in periods past ran servers for an FPS gaming clan, the individual shown here is cheating. I am 99.99% sure. As outside of professional tier gamers this degree of tracking and accuracy is virtually never seen. If I was PGI or the server admin and saw this. I would be inclined to suspend his access till I & at least 2 other admins reviewed everything from that match. If assessments match, permanent ban would follow.
Ich glaube ja, ohne es beweisen zu können, wie auch... das mehr Cheater in dem game rum laufen, als man denkt. Alleine, gewisse PPC Sniper die immer die selbe Stelle treffen auf 600 und mehr Meter. Und genau dann abdrücken, wenn man gerade aus der Deckung rauskommt, also genau das Bewegungsmuster erkennen. Allein mit einem Mark kann ich mir das sehr sehr oft nicht erklären. Auch ich marke meine Gegner und kenne das, wie es abläuft. Einiges lässt sich erahnen, klar. Spreche ich nicht ab. Aber oft wirkt es sehr sehr eigenartig...
Die Kunst des Cheatens ist ja nicht das Cheaten, sondern sich nicht erwischen zu lassen. Headshots sind zu auffällig. Wie man bei Tarkov gesehen hat, sind wallhacks viel subtiler. Oder halt solche ppfld 'Skill'-Treffer. Klar kann das auch einfach wirklich Skill sein. Genau das ist ja der Punkt.
Generally speaking the filosophy of a cheat dev is the more niche a game is the less competition there is therefore the more money. It should never come to a surprise that x game has cheats regardless of how niche the game is because there will always be some players that want to have high level plays without putting in the effort and as long as there is demand for cheats there will be supply of cheats
Dude. There are 700 people playing Of that, the vast majority aren't in the tier 1 match making, vast majority of this game are so bad the rest don't need to cheat, I have played since beta, I put in 60 hours this week alone and have 10,000+ since 2012, let me assure you, I spectate a LOT and I ran across funny business when this game was bigger in 2014-16 and you can google the posts about aimbots from back then and see the few ban waves they did. Quite a large portion of this community are Tech heads, they don't need to buy one.
Imagine aim botting in a game as slow as this. Like, barring some of the uberfast lights, you really shouldn't be missing very often. It makes the game a lot more about tactics than twitch reflexes.
I would rather suck really hard at this game (I'm... certainly not good at it haha) than ever resort to using an aimbot. That said I don't honestly think I've ever encountered a cheater in this game, anytime I've gotten headshot or anything I just figured it was look or skill, just like you said.
Lol damn, and here I feel bad about having my aim assist set on low in Mechwarrior 5. It is a lot easier hitting the fast movers at range with it though... I justify it with mechs have targeting computers of varying degrees. Actually, it would be really cool if that was a game mechanic. Something the Marauder should have longer zoom and better targeting capabilities than the average mech.
Even for somebody that plays aimtrainers doesnt have pixel perfect tracking, def cheating by the retical bouncing on the exact pixel of an enemy on motion.
Mmm..i don't know. I find this weird. I could do better than this guy did with his supposed cheats. Comes off to me as someone new being panicked and/or indecisive. Slowed down it looked more suspicious, yeah but honestly you can make anything look sketchy when slowed like that.
Exactly, the dude is missing too often. The strange movements and scrolling could be a joystick, or lag because we all know spectators don't see what is happening for the player, hits look like misses and UAVs and Strikes look unused
Agreed with @TTB, I've caught lucky headshots and put out some lucky headshots. If you see me headshot you it's pure luck and one of those times I'm running pinpoint :) There's a T1 player that definitely aims for the head. I forgot his name and his damage is usually fairly low each match, but he'll get at least 1 headshot lol This guy, however, pretty amazing "aim" but not firing weapons when you're at 0 heat and in a heavy battle? That alone is suspicious behavior. Experienced players would use that heat resource and I'm sure even cadets would at least panic fire.
ive got banned over this discussion. i spoke out about toxic players and cheaters ( and an aimbot is not the only way to cheat, wheaking the stats, quirks and the loadout of mechs is easy as exel ) but somehow the woke serviceteam of piranha games decided that shitting on the table is okay ( and many many decisions of them prove my point ), even welcomed but you cant say that it stinks. sad because i got my reputation and was in my last battles side by sode with ttb and others... disapointing was the reaction of veteran players who insists that there are no cheaters and calling them out is just a cheap excuse for bad playing... study the stats: there are new entrys who manage to take out 30 people in the very first 8 games, 4 headshots with ppcs on max distance and many more strange things like missle out of the ground, aks through walls, you name it
Imagine cheating in MWO with an AIMBot and still sucking not getting any kills...
He probably racks up a great match score at 800 meters while the rest of his team takes risks and actually plays the game.
@@kyneticist you can do this, without any cheats)
You'd have be a quite the loser to cheat when the opponents are mostly big stompy robots that doesn't even have a 10 year old's movement speed.
This happens, i dont cheat, but even in games where people clearly cheat, the cheaters often loose.
Ouch that is embarasing.
You really are lost in life if you have to cheat in a game like MWO that has such a small community.
Absolutely true. But ego comes first, you know.
not only that, but mwo is pretty easy to play in terms of aiming and movement in my opinion.
Same goes for any game, really.
I've been eliminated 2 times with 1 shot, fully armored assault mech. Isn't it cheating?
@@chacondetunaerma if it was a headshot, then no. Otherwise, yeah.
That's very unnatural aim tracking for sure. This turned into a horror movie though when the person in question turned around and there's a King Crab just standing there for a jump scare
cheaters also use cheats to make them radar invisable.
Its unnatural because its a joystick and not a mouse. Dragging your thumbstick is this exact motion
Aim bots usually jitter and move WAY more egregiously, its why captcha's have to click a box to prove you're not a robot, they're tracking that weird movement.
Its definately weird that the player had a target in his sights but didn't shoot for those precious seconds and also could switch aim so perfectly.
Is it weird that THAT is how I imagine a targeting computer would help you in aiming rather than add just numbers to your damage and crit chance?
Lol people might actually start passing on cooling or even weapons to equip a targeting computer if that’s what it did.
@@Beer-can_full_of_toes Why? It clearly isn't working and why would you want to target and arm or leg instead of drilling the CT?
@@Xetelian Because you get money and XP for destroying components, so sometimes you want to pick off arms or side torsos first. Or, you suspect someone "skipped leg day" and you want to see if they have ammo in their legs.
It may sound weird, but I've had teammates get frustrated because the other team were a bunch of noobs and didn't torso twist, so they died quickly, and we won with low damage scores. A couple of teammates complained that the match didn't pay well.
If it was more like MW5, and payment was like "You completed the mission: True or False?" then we'd want head shots all the time.
@@danielcamacho1913
Kills reward more than those combined and you live longer when they aren't shooting you so you can get more kills
This screams cheater to me.
This is a new guy, buying cheats for a old game that has online play, wants to ruin someones days, doesn't know how the game works, and doesn't fire because of a blind panic. This just screams cheater to me.
Im not saying he is 100% a cheater, but defnitly highly suspicious...
na TTB would never play with new players, he is tier 1, and new players start at tier 5! this player is a tier 1 or 2, and TGB talked about don't go hunting for this and you know who i am talking about, he knows this player
@@expfighter5112 You know that the MM is broken and matches T1 with T5's right?
Right?
@@last_dutch_hero258 yes i do know that, i used to be tier 2.5 then when they changed the MM algorithm i began slipping in the tiers. I would get 4 or 5 kills in a match, sometimes i would be the only one that got kills and we would lose. i am close to the bottom of tier 5 now, my play style has not changed. That's why i stopped playing in DEC 2022, the game is broken badly!
New guy or second account. I'd go with the latter.
@@expfighter5112 I'm tier 3 and I get matched with TTB, Sean lang, Charlie magne and others. I think if the player pool is low enough it draws from all tiers.
Imagine being such a bad shot that you need aimbot in order to hit a barn-sized lumbering mech 😂
haha this is true, but at long range it matters and in close range, you gain and edge if you can scan and locate parts of your enemy, that are already broken.
Really seems like you could play more effectively naturally than messing around with an aimbot the whole game.
This is true, the cheaters often lose because they rely on their cheats and old dogs like me find them and leg them fast. new players and cheaters often dont know anything about turn defence, object shielding, timers, heatlevels and legging.
the snaps when the 2 enemies are side by side is the most damning of the evidence in my opinion.
@@Xetelian 25 ppl agree and you go the "what are you talkin about" route.
@@Xetelian I have 1600hrs played, played in an over 100 man unit at the height of CW. I've "played the game"
My lance got accused by an opponent a while back of using wallhacks. Still not sure what he thinks he saw. Only thing I can think is that he was very shocked that their lance of heavies ran into another lance of heavies in the Frozen City Night tunnels, like it was some high level strat.
Must know have known about UAVs and Seismic
Apparently I have the "can't hit $#+@" bot.😅
Punchline: The guy gets *hired* by PGI, to develop AI-run Mechs so they can fill out short groups and/or single-player mode. :-)
….No…just no…Single Player Mode? Thats why MW5 and soon MW6 exists…Also developed by PGI….
@@McW0lfy I’m pretty sure they actually shoot unlike this person…
@@The-0ni Only if they're not on your team. (Had my lance standing around doing nothing while I got shot more than once).
@@SheyD78 Right…so what your saying is we just got a first person view of how your lance already behaves. “Uh Oh, Gosh which component do I shoot? Let me shoot some lasers and just spray it across their whole body”
At the end of the day my worthless AI MW5 lance could probably do more dmg than this person if they couldn’t even break 300 using an aim bot…
Cheaters have been in game for years. Not super-often, but i saw enough serial headshotters to know that it was there.
There are a few players that went around with the guillotine title for years😂
i was playing a few days ago and watched someone get 3 headshots in 40 seconds. very odd considering he was hit by missiles and did it with an AC 10 lol. pinpoint accuracy
All multiplayer games will have cheaters, multiplayer games without anti-cheat will have 1000x more cheaters in it.
The cheats for this game are so bad that this argument is laughable, they are exstreamely obvious and bad as shown here
meck warrior online dont have any anti cheats, and if you in the game claim somone is cheating, you get burried by people that claim your just bad at the game. my record is 6 kills in one game, i have an avrage of 2.5- killing 1 is actually enough to winn, if you also have a few assists. even with my 12 years of expirence, my tear 5 rating and about 3-1 kill rating, i can not accuse anyone of cheating, i just get bombarded by comments that i dont have enough skill to play.
@@perfrchandersen4853 well , there is some truth to what they are saying. Your pilot skill rating isn't just based upon your KDR. that is only a fraction of it. I have 2 accounts. One I play serious and one I Smurf around on. My serious one is a pretty baseline KDR, it's pretty low. But it's Pilot Skill rating is a Tier 2/1, I float between the two.
My Smurf account has a high KDR 3- 4.5, but floats between tier 4-6. Depending on how reckless I get.
The game takes into account of how much "teamwork" you contributed, in certain aspects of damage and shared damage. If you are just trying to Rambo it, in and amongst your team, and not really coordinate, then those scores will be low as well.
Anyone can run around and wait to pick of the weakest mech. that doesn't make you a good pilot. Anyone can build an assault with basically a 2 button kill alpha, that doesn't make you a good pilot.
Contributing across the board, does. All these UA-camrs and Streamers do one thing very well - work with the team as much as possible. And when it's a wash, they turn it into great content. But all the really good games (beside the clutch games and imbalanced pilot skill ratings where people just get slaughtered) are all teamwork based, or team oriented.
TTB might be a solo player, but he utilizes the team as much as possible in a team fashion. It's what helps him succeed.
So, what I am saying is, maybe it's because you are trying to hard to solo it, and not be a team player. I speak from experience. I used to attempt to solo Rambo it... and got nowhere and was always in the lower tiers. then I started my other account and started playing WITH the teams given. And my Tier shot up within a week. Once I understood the synergy in the teams, it all made sense.
And as you go up in tier, the game changes. Radically. Better pilots, with better mech builds, and better strategy. It's literally a different "feel" to the game once you get above tier 3.
And this is my favorite area to play. Tier 2-3. Because you aren't playing against 100% sweaties, and you aren't playing with any fresh people. Tier 2-3 I believe is where most good casual players, who enjoy the game actually are.
BUT I also love just crashin and bashin, so I keep my lower tier account for that as well.
MWO has a problem with match making because of the low population it has and its complex Pilot Rating system it utilizes. I think when the pop is too low, it goes directly to "mech score" and tries to even it out as much as possible.
Also, time of day is a thing to consider if you are trying to go up in tier as well. Certain times of day are more less, better or worse, to play during too.
@@HammerFell- the last guy that hit me with that argument got banned for cheating lmao.
I played a game in which I got 3 head shots in a row, I thought I was cheating, next game I died in the first 3 mins. Sometimes you get perfect aim.. but the way this
guy was targeting and following certain comps is suspicious. As punishment they should apply a second bot that makes all his shots do no damage and not tell him about it. :)
Had a 3 heavy ppc awesome. One match I head shot 3 people for 1 shot one kill in rapid succession. Then 1 shot kills on several damaged mechs. Killed most of the team with one shot each. Was crazy lucky.
Never had a match like that since.
I have that same build. It's also the reason why I shrink my head armor down for weight when needed. If they hit me in the cockpit so be it because there's nothing stopping that 45 damage to the dome from killing you. I usually just armor enough to eat a double gauss shot (structure + armor >= 31) but there's plenty of people running the double heavy goose, HPPCs, etc that I'm starting to care less lol
Got my Ace of Spades with a 3 beam & 3 SRM6 Direwhale, select aim on the big guys, shot the legs out of 3 lights. Sometime you are just on!
The thing i never got about cheating is...imagine you get a reputation for being good. Everyone thinks you're a good player...and you just get to live that lie. Itd be one thing if there were money, fame, or even some prestige. But for MWO...it just makes you the coolest nerd. To be faking that is a whole level of sad i cant even be mad. I just feel sorry for them.
But they can make money.... thru streaming.... and tournaments..... We have seen the big stage of popular FPS / BR games being plagued with cheaters in their live tournaments.
@@zigzagkillah7666 Years ago there was cheater in comp MWO, got cought using wallhack in comp 1v1 on old forest colony.
That's been my attitude for the last 25 years of online gaming (yep, salty mechdad here lol). After all these years I've realized that if you're cheating in online games, it's mostly a self-esteem boost that you can't (or don't) get anywhere else. It's a video game version of the Instagram "models" that need the clicks and likes or whatever in order to feel good about themselves. Feeling sorry for them is probably the right attitude, but at the end of the day I think the cheaters just need a good hug
i have seen alot of suspicious things in my time playing MWO, and this is definitely a cheater! good catch TTB!
No this isn't
Google any aimbot video and you'll see the difference
Nah, what he caught is a goofy thumbstick on someone HOTaS or other peripheral
Aim bots usually target specific parts of the model, the ones they had back in Counter Strike source would jump to the color of the head of the model. So the idea that is selects limbs is something I'm not sure can exist when you can color your mechs.
ive been playing mwo for a few weeks now and have not run into any cheaters. I was kind of wondering if there were any cheaters in this game. Guess there are. Oh well, still haven't run into anyone and i'm having a blast.
As much as people complain, it’s a really good game
you will see the cheaters at the tier 1 and 2 levels! that's where TTB plays, tier 1! lower tier players (5 and 4) just get annihilated by these cheaters.
I've played for years now and this is the first time I've even HEARD of cheaters. They're decidedly not prevalent. Either way, cheaters are obviously gonna rank up to high skill tiers quickly, which means you're unlikely to run into them much tbh
Due to the nature of the game cheats have less of an impact in MWO. Unless you go for headshots, which would be very obvious and suspicious, a cheat here makes about the difference between a bad player and a good player. Yes, ofc it definitely has an impact, but you're not turning into a god
I wouldn't worry mate. I've been playing off and on since launch (2012). Seen the occasional butthurt whinger claiming whoever killed them "musta been cheating" but never really had any reason to suspect.
I *have* played with and against some very good tier 1 players, and with skill you can definitely be good enough that potatoes like me might find your match score indistinguishable from magic, but likewise I've also killed 5 mid tier players in (damaged) assaults in an end of match clutch streak with an unskilled locust so, yknow, luck and surprise go a long way...
Unfortunately cheating in MWO has been going on for a very very long time and even by people AND content creators. Just came back after 2 years and almost nothing has changed in MWO.
Remember when they found out about the tarkov hidden community of aimbotters and wall hackers that linus tech tips live stream covered. They exist in every game but are much harder to catch these days.
I mean we all knew the RGB gamers existed in Tarkov. We just didn't know that it was that many... a whole actual culture of lowlife rats cheating.
@@TTBprime I think TTB is the real cheater! Using skills, strategy, and solid builds versus a bunch of people that think you can 1v12 in this game ;)
At a minimum very strange, I have played on and off since the beginning never have I seen folks aiming and not shooting. More common to see extreme overheats.
Ike, it's like the opposite of typical potato tactics! I once literally scored my first kill in ages because my mouse broke just enough to force me to actually hide and reset my lmb before laservomiting again...
When the Viper lagged, and the aim *snapped* too the correct "pathway" it would have taken had there been NO lag hiccup ... the slowed down fight between this person and the viper and King Crab makes sense if you are the cheater who just realized TTB is watching you .....
So I wonder if it is someone testing their program out, or possibly an AI bot test.
Edit: Also I noticed how people were reacting to the person in question. It seemed like they weren't firing much at them, as in they couldn't really target them. The fight between the King Crab/Viper and the person in question, was an odd fight altogether. The KC didn't fire much at all. they might have been out of ammo / too close for minimum range for their load out, but I doubt that.
The one time I was sure I'd encountered a person aimbotting was when I got headshot by the same guy 3 times in a row with PPCs from over 500m, each time the very moment that I came out of cover relative to him and each time I was coming out of cover in a different spot. There's lucky, or being good at snapshots, and then there's that.
What were you in? Like, Hellbringers have huge head hitboxes, they aren't all the time, you can look up the paper doll on their forums, so you may have just had an easier to hit head, like I know where the AS7 cockpit is in this game as do a lot of people. So it could be a lot of things.
@@Xetelian I think it was a Mad Dog? Might have been a Marauder. Not sure, it was years ago.
@@jadekaiser7840 I've watched streams and seen people who know how to target heads without automated help but they're few and far between. Most people don't memorize the paper doll of 80 mech chassis
I think the tracking itself isn't suspicious alone. I mean have you seen Overwatch Tracer Pro players? Way faster gameplay and they manually track extremely fast moving targets with extreme precision. But the component switching is quite unusual and suspicious. But what really get's me to believe that this could be an aimbot is that usually someone with such a high skill level in tracking wouldn't be so hard out of position. I mean it's clear to me that this needs to be investigated but it's not a 100% for me. Especially because we don't get a 1:1 Replay with where that person really aimed at.
Anyone ever watching me play will NEVER accuse me of using an aimbot! LOL I'm lucky to hit the mech, let alone lock aim on any component! As for the player in the video, yes, that is an aimbot.
same with me lol i suck alot
I'm not great but the discord servers are usually full of people who will give tips. If you're looking to do a lot of damage the weapons you choose and how you use them is going to make a world of difference
One time way back in the day, idk maybe like 2016 there was a centurion that walked right into the middle of an entire lance by himself and every single assault in the lance was unloading on him and he took 0 damage for like a good minutes haha.
It really is sad to cheat in a game like this.
I really love that you have such faith in the MWO player base that you're legitimately surprised you caught someone cheating. I think it's pretty rampant especially among a certain type of player. Which is sad.
Absolutely right. It is rampant. It is most evident in watching an honest tier 1 player compared to a dishonest one.
I had a game recently where an urban mech was flipping his cockpit around 180 degrees instantly and had suspiciously good aim at the same time. Unfortunately I couldn't record it but I managed to submit a report on him for cheating before the match ended.
I dunno, every time I lose, it's because of hackers and bull sh*t, hahahaha. But in all seriousness, I would say it looks very suspicious to me. I think because every time I see a video by TTB, DATA, or Scout Derek (3 very good players) I never see the target reticle bounce around like that while perfectly targeting components. But, that's just my 2 cents, I could be wrong.
I remember when this was rampant in mw4. Always an LL shadowcat somewhere nailing headshot after headshot and nothing else.
I saw this when it dropped a year ago. I thought "oh no now that infection is infecting MWO..." So I haven't run across it as much in the year since as I feared I might. But lately. Over the last few months... I keep getting hit by headshots. About once a month or so. Now, I love headshots myself. I make them usually from 20 metyers out to as far as 300 or so. 300 being rarer with 100 to 150 being the sweet spot. And I do realize a certain amount of luck involved. A few times taking the shot I would hit the head and go "Really? I got lucky" because of distance or movement or what have you in battle interfering with such a precision shot.
But for over 6 months now at least once a month either a headshot kill or an attempted headshot (my head turns yellow but no cigar) and most times I am running my main form of mech which is one of my Direwolves. Worse over the last few months I noticed it coming form members of a certain group even. These are typically 700 m or more distance headshots the last one yesterday coming from someone at the time 900m away. Of the certain team of course. That one really irritated me as first the attempt. Head is yellow. So then I engage a bit more and 4 min later boom second headshot connects and I am done and the kill is by someone from that certain group/team. I am running a Dire with the tartan camo with lots of yellows and a yellow decal flag over the whole nose inc cockpit also colored yellow. At over 700 m was the second shot... On Caustic. Yeah. Yellow camo and yellow decals on Caustic at over 700 m while I am moving and twisting battling with a closer mech about 300 m away and this guy nails mu head at long range. I was in Faction and was my first mech in a deck of 4. Kinda took the wind outta m y sails there. Did ok after, but your left wondering the rest of the longggg Faction drops, why? I could be getting groceries, changing the oil on my car or playing any other game so why am I wasting time dealing with cheating when in a year I haven't even seen Piranha address the issue now that it is here?
For the last 6 months now I have even been in drops with several players calling out the insane long headshots on people on my pug drop team. They are so bold now as to be dropping 2 or 3 players with stupid long range headshots in the 700 to 1000 m range. On the few times it has happened that the offending player responds it of course is some "Git gud" remark against the victims.
Just discussing in game with my team yesterday someone kept head shooting our team. First 4 deaths were head shots on our side within the first minute
Hoping to get back after a coupla years hiatus myself, i remembered the first purge of cheaters back then, sad to see it still happening. Hope wen cheaters get caught that all his kills to whomever gets redacted from their stats.
Thanks TTB! There are cheaters in the game. More lately. I notice odd things. I noticed yesterday with another player tbat an enemy player showed blue instead of red until he fired at him it went red.
I have come across this as well in the past week or so. It was super confusing when what I thought was gonna be war crimes turned out to be a surprise attack from the cover of a blue Dorito.
Stealth mechs don't show up, you very well could have seen an ALLY on the other side of a stealth enemy, when stealth turned off you could see his box
Not really seeing anything particularly suspicious. At full speed looked pretty normal and slowed way down looked a little weird but things often look weird slowed way down. In the end even if he was it seemed more a hindrance than a help in the situation you highlighted.
Get your eyes checked, if you don't see anything suspicious.
Or lay off the copium
@@tarron3237 The only people that need to lay off the copium are the people who can't seem to accept the reason they lost is more often than not due to their own incompetence than because someone is cheating. I acknowledge there are cheaters out there I just don't see anything particularly suspicious about this particular video, and even if this person was cheating it clearly didn't help. In fact, it seems to have been more of a hindrance.
It is lag and the player is probably a mechdad with a joystick. We all know the spectators don't see what players see, the UAVs will look unused and the reticle isn't accurate at all, hits look like misses and such.
Looking at the situation @7:48 frame by frame, when he claims the aim "snaps" to components. I haven't played MWO in years, so I don't remember what all the HUD elements are. I assume the blue square is the actual cursor. The cursor swipes the Crab, and spends total of 2 frames on the arm, then swipes the legs of the smaller mech, spending only ONE frame on the right leg. And yet he calls out this single frame by saying "snap", as if he has just presented the murder weapon with fresh bloody fingerprints.
I'm certain that I could take replay footage from any of you, slow it down, and say the word "snap" every time your cursor hits a component of an enemy mech. And here is the kicker... EVERY part of a mech is SOME component. And if your cursor doesn't stay perfectly on a specific component, then I can go "see how he is toggling between components".
This isn't compelling evidence, unless you are already itching for a good ol' witch hunt and a lynching.
@@theoverseer530 It is just a dude with a thumbstick
You ever get stopped by a Capcha? It makes you 'click to prove you're not a robot'
The way bots click is WAY different than this, that is how they detect them
Anyone who has to cheat at a game is going to get their rear torso handed to them by real life 🤣
I have spectated several of those suspicousaim movements the last few month. I always turn on OBS too late.
That’s why he blurred the name. Let PGI deal with it. If cheaters thrive on this game it will die and we all lose. Police it.
definitely looks like it. to me it seems he's not familiar with it and was testing the tracking. good catch TTB.
You can do this exact movenement with a thumbstick
Last time I saw an aimbot in action it moved like a robot and jittered a lot, you know, the kind of movement they look for when you click on a "I am not a robot' captcha
Not sure why cheaters would want to target limbs, you can't kill a mech with a leg or an arm
This one is kind of hard to tell. It could be an aimbot, or it could be a newbie coming to grips with the controls or a higher sensitivity.
The locking on is suspicious, but I couldn't say for certain if that's what is happening in real time, and sometimes slow motion can "reveal" things that aren't there.
I am leaning towards aimbot though. The movements are just a bit too twitchy.
That said, I have seen some really egregious aim bots on mechs that have free swinging arms. It's very easy to tell with those.
newbies don't play in tier 1 matches
There is a transition from just moving around and positioning to “aiming” and it’s more than night and day different. It’s active when looking in the borders of a red square then it’s normal when not.
It could also be a joystick, if the reticle moves oddly it could be the thumb control smoothing or something
@@expfighter5112 ..They don't need to take too long to get their if they win enough though. Go ask anyone who smurfs how quickly they climb
This could be a joystick
The guy is missing too often to explain both the weird smooth scroll that is seen in a few instances but not throughout
For an aimbot to be of any use it'd need to target the CT and let you drill it out or the head, but people are claiming they cycle through limbs to 'appear legit' but I don't think the average consumer can think that far ahead after buying an aimbot...
That has to be the most hazardous script they could buy ... They might always hit something, but they'll die before they drill through an opponent if it keeps bouncing components like that. Especially if it locked a light mech behind them, exposing their back to something larger and grouped up.
The whole exchange, is quite 'lore-friendly', in theme.
Some inexperienced 'hot-shot' piloting a mech with some 'forbidden and forgotten' example of an experimental/LosTech DI, ends up getting his arse handed to him due to simply 'biting off more than he could chew'.
IMO, this is what the BattleTech 'meta' is all about :D
Good Job calling this out TTB!! I have left so many games due to cheating.. Tarkov.. of which I was a founder buyer .. WoT is another one.. cheating is killing games.
I think I found another AIMBOT cheater. I emailed PGI about it but like your comments, doubt it'll be read. Player "chaotic neutrality" in season 90 he's ranked 14,803 with average match score of 200. Yet he's got 530 kills, 75 deaths in 174 matches. That an average of 3 kills per match. I loaded up the match today in a marauder with a headshot
I love this game, I'm terrible at it 75% of the time, but it is fun to push yourself to improve. If you have to cheat to improve, then you've failed at life. I truly hope that is just a super sensitive mouse and someone that good, but I can see the truth plain as day in the aim. Noone is that precise on a computer. ESPECIALLY in MWO.
I don't know it's really hard to say on this one. I think when he was going back-and-forth between the 2 . He just Realized that that was a king crab or he was trying to get. A lock on to see if it was easy kill. I set my dpi 500 -800 so I can hit Components easier.
I aim well, but this is supernatural. I have tuned my mouse sensitivity in-game and my mouse's DPI to work very well together. There's just no way a person can aim this well when the torso, legs, and arms are all moving in different directions. I aim very accurately, but I usually have to come to a near stop to track a component in my Black Lanner.
If anyone hasn't seen "the video" regarding hackers in Tarkov and all multiplayer games as a whole, look it up.
Chances are? You have almost *always* been playing with/against at *least* 1 hacker, in every popular multiplayer game you have ever played (PC of course).
I suggest those interested have a gander at A.I. driven anti-hack technology, there is a solution in the works.
The thing about that Tarkov issue was that the hackers actually had such a tight nit community that they were able to hide how bad the hacking was in that game. The hacking community and thier customers got way more savvy about being caught. A lot of the hackers now screen out people that would blow the cover of their biz these days.
Yeah there been times when I was in the battle and poof gone... something fishy was up..
Wow an Adder tanking a King Crab and a Viper at the same time....with 3 LL....
He just enabled targeting computer! (Ctrl Alt + T)..... Having icons indicating the centres of components would be a nice gameplay feature (if you had TC installed). Still have to manually aim at them of course. Assuming this players team still lost.
clearly has the targeting computer MK XII installed
Anymore sus and I'd be calling an emergency meeting
I'm saying 100%
The time frame between each time they focus on a new component is so fast and random that there is no way a human is doing that unassisted. Even from a logic point of view there is no reason to do that when you already have target information and should just wait for an opening for the best shot.
The thing is, even if they are cheating, they are so bad at using it that it's inconsequential to gameplay whether or not they banned lol. On principle though, they should be.
Looks like an aim bot, but with questionable shots fired, it could be someone working on an AI. It's definitely very strange.
That would be funny if it were a dev developing an AI so that our small community would have more "players" to play with lol
Hey, I think a new cheat has been made, last few days I have started to notice aimhackers and wallhackers. They do not matter as much in other games but still, not a fun experience
Btw this is nothing compared to more obvious aimhackers. I saw spider literally locking on to the cockpits of mechs with machine guns. It was way way waaaay more obvious no doubt about that.
3D person still snap to garbage? 3D person was awful idea yet still there.
I have heard of a bot with cycling like that, it was in use with some russian players. good video, well spoken
I just got back into mwo after a few years.
Didnt the Beef get taken down for this? I miss playing with that guy, he was a riot.
b33f is alive and well. Still playing as well
@TTBprime oh good! Someone said he was tied to some cheating last night and he had kinda disappeared since in a game last night and I was bummed.
I quit playing MWO because everyone denies any cheating going on. Others claim it has minimal impact.
Bottom line is that if it is happening it ruins the fun of the game. I think there are more hackers than you could imagine at the higher levels. There are ways to verify it. Screenshot installed in client would go a long way to verify. Just submit and detect for oddities with AI.
You quit MWO...because people said there isn't any cheating?
That sounds like you weren't interested or you're just blowing smoke
@@Xetelian Work on reading comprehension. The explanation is there. Cheating ruins fun. Do I need to make you a sign to carry in public?
@@Veevslav1 Well, you could make the sign, but you'd have to pay to get me to wear it
But, since the prevelance of cheaters in MWO is so so so low, I find your statement silly
I couldn't see what you meant, until the 5:30 or so mark when it seemed to cycle between body parts. It looks like the aimbot goes counter clock wise on parts.
5:52 then why did it drag away from both mechs at this point
The 5:30 looks odd but my best guess is he is using a joystick, because making an AIMbot that shoots arms would be really stupid when you could just drill through the CT
Their are many cheaters in MWO. I have seen everything from AIM-BOT to WALL HACK, RAC and UAC/AC Hacks....
Gauss is like a magnet for aimbotters 😂
I've never actually seen an aimbot before, so I really couldn't judge. Having said that, parts of that did seem pretty suspicious. I guess it's inevitable that some people will cheat... but in a game with a PSR/ELO mechanic they're just making life for themselves more difficult. I'm not at all surprised that someone who cheats would run an all ERLL build.
Having watched it again, I notice that while you're watching frame by frame the reticule is _continually_ switching between components within just a few frames (fractions of a second). Tier 1 players might reliably accomplish that with a stationary target, I find it difficult to believe that anyone might do it reliably with a target that's not only dodging horizontally but also vertically.
The pilot has 2 of 3 weapons ready to fire while totally cold (ie very much a thing that people who are not proficient with the game do) while he has a near perfect back shot lined up. He then switches to an arm and shoots right past the mech, with what seems to me to be a delayed reaction or perhaps just trusting that the aimbot would hold the lock while he finally realised that he had a viable shot (likely because it was tracking faster than he could make decisions).
The fact that his lightning reflexes don't match up with his methods and decisions to shoot are inarguably incongruous. One can't both have split second, hyper-accurate reflexes in one kind of control and not in another within the same kind of physical movement and mental faculty within the same infinitesimal time frames.
There are some videos you can look up on YT that show you how they work in various games. Its very informative.
There really isn't a ELO in QP, Matchmaker starts throwing out restrictions the lower the pop gets to make faster queues happen. The matchmaker doesn't really care if someone is T5 or T1 most of the time.
I once played 1v1 Solaris with my YLW. I did 2 headshots with 2 shots out of my AC/20 and didnt fire my MPulse. 100% Headshots fired. And after the first headshot I thought "Damn, this Shot was wasted, I will never hit the Head again.". I only once had this much luck. Sorry to the Cougar I killed.
Protip: Slowmo video will help you to see some things but watching it in regular speed really show show alien the aim looks.
Yes, obv aimbot: the deceleration as he swings wildly past a component and then the cursor doubles back is just not normal aiming.
"pushing a button that cycles the component" Nah, this looks like the same aimbot I see all the time in MWO, just think of it like the cursor has a little magnet on it that when it gets close enough to a component it pulls more towards it.
Good catch TTB.
Recently I saw a "Catapult" with 2*HGauss (there was a premaid of 4 "Catapults" in that match with similar pilot names), which placed at least several cockpit hits at complex-moving targets. 🤦♂ Morons never learn.
Cheating in a game where there's an automatic live spectate for your dead teammates.
Dude was probably counting on people not caring or the community not being used to having cheaters in the game that they'd miss the signs.
I'm not an expert but I didn't really understand what I'm seeing if it's aim botting. I'm not seeing the "snap" stuff you're talking about. Please explain to me like I'm in need of crayons because I'm not seeing it.
it's snapping to different components of the mechs unnaturally
@@sketchiefello9002 like the quick movement or something?
I heard MWO is making a comeback.
that looks damning to me.
What anice backround music, has a nice vibe!
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This guy seems horrible even with an aimbot, I think he'd have more luck just hip firing. Hope this doesn't turn into a bigger problem.
I have been playing a very long time and my estimate is that cheating has exploded during the last year.
That doesn't look like anything ...
Why use an aimbot when you could just make a streak boat? xD
Maybe a person plays very actively, and successfully, in some cs go, and has a very high speed and accuracy of mouse pointing, has a high speed of decision-making.
ps Sometimes, a person who plays as if he is a cheater, actually plays at a level that is unattainable for you, while being absolutely honest. I remember 20 years ago, in the days of computer clubs, the accusation of cheating was like a compliment :D
pss all cheaters are bastards!
So does this mean that there no anti cheat system in MWO, also if people are paying real money to support comp play is this a issue that needs to be addressed immediately?
No anti cheat. Considering that games like Helldivers 2 got review bombed for having anti cheat, I'd like the audience for these games to make up their minds, you can't avoid cheaters either way but why put filth on your PC?
This more than likely someone playing the game with a x-box controller and needing the extra 'help' from the aimbot. It's really sad, I've never seen the point to cheating but it's everywhere in the on-line gaming community. Its the main reason that MWO is the only on line game I waste any time with and even then, not more than a handfull of games per day, unlike in closed beta where I'd play for 7-8 hours.
Could the player be an actual AI? It is both very accurate at locking on but seems to lack the knowledge of when to fire. It seems that a human intelligence takes over at the end to start shooting.
i have been playing since game started years and years and years ago, i have literally never nailed a headshot(im really bad at the game though) i cant say ive ever felt like anyone was actually cheating though so this must be particularly egregious.
That's definitely not normal aiming. . . that's just sad.
People who use cheats, get pissed off for losing and getting called out on it.
As someone who in periods past ran servers for an FPS gaming clan, the individual shown here is cheating. I am 99.99% sure. As outside of professional tier gamers this degree of tracking and accuracy is virtually never seen.
If I was PGI or the server admin and saw this. I would be inclined to suspend his access till I & at least 2 other admins reviewed everything from that match. If assessments match, permanent ban would follow.
Ich glaube ja, ohne es beweisen zu können, wie auch... das mehr Cheater in dem game rum laufen, als man denkt. Alleine, gewisse PPC Sniper die immer die selbe Stelle treffen auf 600 und mehr Meter. Und genau dann abdrücken, wenn man gerade aus der Deckung rauskommt, also genau das Bewegungsmuster erkennen. Allein mit einem Mark kann ich mir das sehr sehr oft nicht erklären. Auch ich marke meine Gegner und kenne das, wie es abläuft. Einiges lässt sich erahnen, klar. Spreche ich nicht ab. Aber oft wirkt es sehr sehr eigenartig...
Die Kunst des Cheatens ist ja nicht das Cheaten, sondern sich nicht erwischen zu lassen. Headshots sind zu auffällig. Wie man bei Tarkov gesehen hat, sind wallhacks viel subtiler. Oder halt solche ppfld 'Skill'-Treffer. Klar kann das auch einfach wirklich Skill sein. Genau das ist ja der Punkt.
Generally speaking the filosophy of a cheat dev is the more niche a game is the less competition there is therefore the more money.
It should never come to a surprise that x game has cheats regardless of how niche the game is because there will always be some players that want to have high level plays without putting in the effort and as long as there is demand for cheats there will be supply of cheats
Dude. There are 700 people playing
Of that, the vast majority aren't in the tier 1 match making, vast majority of this game are so bad the rest don't need to cheat, I have played since beta, I put in 60 hours this week alone and have 10,000+ since 2012, let me assure you, I spectate a LOT and I ran across funny business when this game was bigger in 2014-16 and you can google the posts about aimbots from back then and see the few ban waves they did.
Quite a large portion of this community are Tech heads, they don't need to buy one.
Lol, I headshot someone. I'm a aimbot and should be banned. In the meantime, the same pilot is lagg switching in a scaleshot. . .
Ah, Casey Bat
Imagine aim botting in a game as slow as this. Like, barring some of the uberfast lights, you really shouldn't be missing very often. It makes the game a lot more about tactics than twitch reflexes.
I would rather suck really hard at this game (I'm... certainly not good at it haha) than ever resort to using an aimbot. That said I don't honestly think I've ever encountered a cheater in this game, anytime I've gotten headshot or anything I just figured it was look or skill, just like you said.
Lol damn, and here I feel bad about having my aim assist set on low in Mechwarrior 5.
It is a lot easier hitting the fast movers at range with it though... I justify it with mechs have targeting computers of varying degrees. Actually, it would be really cool if that was a game mechanic. Something the Marauder should have longer zoom and better targeting capabilities than the average mech.
Even for somebody that plays aimtrainers doesnt have pixel perfect tracking, def cheating by the retical bouncing on the exact pixel of an enemy on motion.
Mmm..i don't know. I find this weird. I could do better than this guy did with his supposed cheats. Comes off to me as someone new being panicked and/or indecisive.
Slowed down it looked more suspicious, yeah but honestly you can make anything look sketchy when slowed like that.
Oh for sure it exists in the game - I'm not convinced by this though. He is firing all over the mech. If this is aimbot then its a shit aimbot.
Exactly, the dude is missing too often.
The strange movements and scrolling could be a joystick, or lag because we all know spectators don't see what is happening for the player, hits look like misses and UAVs and Strikes look unused
Agreed with @TTB, I've caught lucky headshots and put out some lucky headshots. If you see me headshot you it's pure luck and one of those times I'm running pinpoint :) There's a T1 player that definitely aims for the head. I forgot his name and his damage is usually fairly low each match, but he'll get at least 1 headshot lol
This guy, however, pretty amazing "aim" but not firing weapons when you're at 0 heat and in a heavy battle? That alone is suspicious behavior. Experienced players would use that heat resource and I'm sure even cadets would at least panic fire.
i've play for years in old rust pc with 18-29 FPS :D i wonder how i could play with 60-90 fps without lagging xD
ive got banned over this discussion. i spoke out about toxic players and cheaters ( and an aimbot is not the only way to cheat, wheaking the stats, quirks and the loadout of mechs is easy as exel ) but somehow the woke serviceteam of piranha games decided that shitting on the table is okay ( and many many decisions of them prove my point ), even welcomed but you cant say that it stinks.
sad because i got my reputation and was in my last battles side by sode with ttb and others... disapointing was the reaction of veteran players who insists that there are no cheaters and calling them out is just a cheap excuse for bad playing... study the stats: there are new entrys who manage to take out 30 people in the very first 8 games, 4 headshots with ppcs on max distance and many more strange things like missle out of the ground, aks through walls, you name it
I think thre a more then few they use the aimbots and wal hacks (player that see you behind cover) but i can not prove it