Ahmaud Arbery Update - Has My Position Changed?
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Since this video's release I’ve been hounded by comments telling me to take my video down, that I should have waited for the facts, I'm a race-baiter, I look stupid, he broke the law, etc, etc, etc.
So, since the release of this video have my opinions changed?
Well, let’s find out.
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A Lawyer is explaining step-by-step, and showing you the actual law for the state. Despite the facts, people are still attacking his character based on feelings... This is the problem.
Facts don’t care about feelings
Its because both sides of the story have attacked each other so much that whichever side is right the other side would not concede.
Many lawyers have had different views on this case. I'd wait for some of the actual grand jury evidence to come out. I don't like that people are acting like the assault didn't happen.
@@onthepath2809 sometimes they do, there is an element of law that deals with reasonable belief. Arbery may have had had a reasonable belief that these men meant him harm. Also the McMicheals may have reasonably believed arbery committed felony burglary based on information they had received. This is a sticky situation because Arbery could not know for a fact that the men were going to cause him harm. And the McMicheals could not know for a fact that arbery was not armed. This is for a jury to decide. But just an example, If a guy comes running out of a gas station with his hands full of cash and cartons of cigarettes with a gun in his waistband, I may draw my weapon and hold him at gunpoint. If it turns out the money was from the ATM inside and he used his card to get it, then bought the cartons of cigarettes, had a carry permit for the gun and was running out because he just got a call his wife was in a car wreck. Well he had not committed any crime but a reasonable person would believe he had and that would be enough to make a lawful citizen arrest. depending on how much info the McMicheals had, it may rise to the level that they reasonably believed Arbery had committed felony burglary.
@@anthonysimpson2847 Of course he, having knowledge that he committed no crime, would also have the right to shoot you for committing aggravated assault by pointing a gun at him...
That aside, I would like to clear up something from your post, because what you typed is factually inaccurate. According to OCGA 17-4-60, "A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
As Colion already detailed, there is no violation of law that occurred, and you can't speculate as to Arbery's intent for being in the house. This isn't reasonable. Whether or not they "could know for a fact arbery was not armed" is IRRELEVANT.
It's funny when people forget Colion is an actual lawyer.
Kinda doesn't matter, he's citing actual law and cases. It is funny people are trying to argue against law and precident though.
So lawyers are infallible?
This is too sad, racists still exist in the 21st century. why can’t we all embrace each other’s races and charrish one another without separating each other over colors 😔
Not knowing of the laws
Aydy8Games you don’t have to be a lawyer to know the law...
as a contractor I always post a no-trespassing sign on any project I do simply because I want to protect myself from people coming on my projects and getting hurt and wanting to sue
In MyFlorida.com it is a FELONY to trespass onto a construction site, 🏗🚧🔨. I do not condone or support the suspects but the victim is not completely clear either.
DL Lambert , if this had happened in Florida, I guess. And, in Texas you can use deadly force to protect property at night. But, it didn’t happen there, either.
Did you watch the video? This happened in Georgia, not Florida, where as far as we can tell the conditions for criminal trespass were not met.
Same here. Every single house we've built in an area with nearby neighbors, there will always be people who want to come and snoop around. Some ask, most don't. Not really a big deal because we make sure to lock up all tools, but we do post "No Trespassing" and "Construction Personnel Only" signs mainly to protect ourselves from any lawsuit in case some idiot did walk into the house and fall down the staircase or step on a nail.
It's common sense, but that shit is arsenic when it comes to agendas.
the fact that people are attacking colion over his view and understanding of law only shows that there is no loyalty or integrity on the internet. nearly a decade we've all listened to this man and called him a voice of reason. 10 years of videos, training, advice, actual work towards protecting and recovering our 2a rights, working with the nra, telling people "that's my guy"... all that and 1 difference in opinion (colion is right, btw) has people calling him racebaiter and what have you? sad, really. this man deserves better than that.
I agree with you and Colion COMPLETELY. Thanks to both of you.
This is why when shit hits the fan, some people are always going to stick to their own, regardless of who is right or wrong. This is why many black people will never feel truly accepted in this country. Yes, it's about skin color. No, it shouldn't be, but that's not the reality of living in this world. You can serve your country, be an officer of the court, uphold the constitution, defend this country and its allies against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and people might appreciate and respect that. But when it comes down to an issue where skin color is factored in, suddenly all that doesn't mean shit and you can be turned on.
Absolutely absurd and a very horrible way of looking at life and peoples morality.
@@LordPrometheous you are 100 percent correct.
I'll be honest. Had Warrior Poet, Tim Kennedy, etc said what Colion said, they'd not been like this. Its because he is a black man. He knows the law and that's a threat to some of them. Its the same as a group or cliche in high-school that does drugs or bullies others, the minute you go against it, they're against you
First rule of being a responsible gun owner: Don’t get involved in third party altercations. You don’t know the whole story. Mind your own business. Look what happened . One guy dead and two guys going to jail for a long time. What was the reward for this great risk?
Nicely said.
Bottom line: If you are going to do a citizen's arrest you better be damn sure they actually committed a felony. And even if they did commit a felony ask your self if it's worth putting your own life at risk to be a hero?
I will be surprised if they go to jail.
I wouldn't go that far. But in a situation like this, definitely. You step out armed your going to get some one killed.
@Ben Manning big difference between theft and robbery
They should have just called the police and left it at that.
It doesn't pay to involved because things can turn South real quick In the Heat of the Moment and the adrenaline rush.
Do people have a right to address crime in their neighborhoods?
They should have mind their own business plan and simple
@@greoricm771 Sure. But grabbing guns and chasing someone down in 2 trucks, armed, isn't reality. I guess since, he was a former cop, he felt the need to take things in his own hands. Look at this mess now.
Why should they even call the police? Mind their own business
Rule when carrying a gun: Don't draw unless your life or someone's life is in immediate danger....
I don't understand why that's so damn hard for people to grasp. Isn't being a responsible gun owner what we all scream when we have a mass shooter?? Lead by example.. ESPECIALLY being a former cop!
Thats exactly what travis did. Did you expect him tonhave a shotgun in a holster? Lol
Uhm it was a shotgun which Aubrey grabbed that went off. He ran up and grabbed before it was even pointed at him. Plus more videos in the middle of the night.
A long gun can't be drawn. It can only be carried. Either with a sling or in your hands. An openly carried long gun is the equivalent of a holstered pistol. Don't conflate drawing a pistol from a holster with carrying a long gun. They're not the same thing.
Open carry laws protect your right to carry a long gun. That includes holding it in your hands.
In jurisdictions where open carry is legal, holding a shotgun in one's hands is not automatically a crime. When it's legal for people to openly carry firearms, a man holding a long gun is not automatically a lethal threat. In other words, you can't shoot somebody just for standing there holding a long gun at low ready or at their side. There has to be a credible threat. You also can't charge somebody and try to take their firearm just because they're standing there holding it. That makes you the lethal aggressor.
Finally, if you have reason to believe that they are trying to detain you until police arrive, regardless of whether they have a legal right to do so, you're on shaky legal ground if you use lethal force against them in that case, because whatever led you to believe they're trying to detain you on behalf of police undermines your claim that you were in reasonable fear for your life.
How do you not draw a shotgun? Look at you focusing on that instead of the obvious: DO NOT attack armed people or try to fucking swing at them. That is the operative message here. Deal with the cops. Arbery didn't want to go peacefully, because he knew he was guilty of multiple trespassings already.
So let’s start with this, should he have been in the home, probably not. But at the end of the day that is definitely not a crime punishable by death. So I’m sticking with my previous assessment that the guys who shot him are assholes.
It's an open house under construction with no gate and no sign. Ppl often walk around houses like that to check out the craftsmanship or to see if they want to buy the property. Like i said above I've I've inside every new house on my block, nobody ever blinked.
These guys wanted to hurt someone and they used that as a flimsy excuse to do it. I fully believe they would have likely killed a white man if he looked "street" enough but they didn't. They killed a black man and said the n word and spit on the ground after shooting him. I saw their little text messages about hunting raccoons with "gold teeth and afros"
To defend them is to defend not only racism but a very on the nose and blatant trashy and murderous brand of racism I want nothing to do with.
What they did was evil and wrong. Whether he was in that house or not it's not like it was breaking and entering.
The guilty verdict was spot on. So was the not guilty verdict for Rittenhouse. It's sad that a lot of ppl can't differentiate the nuances there. The cases are almost polar opposites and ppl still think they're the same on BOTH sides. It boggles my mind.
Guilty assholes
@@juanmccoy3066 I only say that because I was once robbed when my house was still in an open state. Otherwise I wouldn’t have said that:
He wasnt punished fo trespassing.. He was shot for trying to take a mans gun.. Arbery was the asshole.
@@daleyoung87 a gun that was pointed at him, let’s be logical here.
The 911 dispatcher said it first "ok... but I need to know what he was doing wrong"
This happens alot, we would get dispatched to calls where the description would be like "black guy in the neighborhood and he doesn't belong here"...our Sgts. would have to get on the radio and tell dispatch we would NOT be responding
@@jamesparker7016 thank goodness your sgt wasn't about to let you guys violate folks rights just because people are uncomfortable
Instinct is a very good reason to be alarmed by an outsider of any skin color & depending on the circumstances.
@@susand495 just how do you tell an outsider to a neighborhood, by the skin color? do you otherwise know know each and everyone in your neighborhood? what if he had just purchased or rented a home down the street and went out for a jog and was curious about the home being built, like millions of people do? could he have been visiting some relatives, or friends, or girlfriend, or fiance that he was about to marry in a few days, etc and just the same went out for a relaxing jog around the neighborhood? could he have been a contractor who was asked to give an estimate of a service needed in the many phases of a home construction ( putting up sheetrock, for instance )? our instinct can be affected by paranoia, preferences, and a number other negative things that, at a minimum, must be left at home or gotten rid of. If these guys had stayed at home, had mind their own business, he would still be alive. they could have not continued to give people a bad name, make things worse; the whole world is always watching! - TOTAL respect for other people's rights is the antidote for this sickness ( lithium pills for those who need it would help too ).
Susan D be alarmed fine but do NOT assault let alone murder whom you’re suspicious of
A lot of these "social media attorneys" that argue with Colion Noir forget he is an actual Attorney,
I can't believe people are actually arguing with Noir on this. He reads the law in the video but everyone is playing dumb trying to justify this murder
TONY DPHAX KING he is Bro. Google his name
Georgia Law:
"(b) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority:
(1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person..."
I don't need a lawyer to know he trespassed.
And attorneys can be wrong.
And he is, and seemingly purposefully.
A couple trespass into a new construction and this knucklehead tries to use that as justification. No, and an attorney should know that and not not use that false logic and argument
incense i disagree and agree with him 1. the son and father duo shouldn't of done anything after the guy was leaving 2. they escalated it by trying to arrest him 3. the black guy shouldn't gotten into the house with out permission in the first place so both parties are at fault
The fact that Colin noir has to explain himself like this is ridiculous. Keep America tactical Noir!
It's pretty sad when anyone makes a video one day based upon known facts and then gets lamblasted when more facts come out that change our understanding. That's just life coming at us... smh.
Ppl were like “smh I can’t believe this. Unsubscribing rn” lol
@Robert Crabtree These fools are so blinded by Political correctness that they cant see anything but what they are told to see. I see a man ATTACKING an ARMED man. I ALSO saw a man in a home that WAS NOT HIS. I ALSO SAW he RAN when he noticed someone saw him. Thats all i need to know.
bill gates media is good at tricking ppl into thinking something has been corroborated when in reality the same
Statement is just repeated over and over again verbatim by different websites without any work being shown. They do the same with the word “debunked.” They use it a lot without telling us how the story in question was debunked.
@@renetorres213 I never subscribed... but before today I respected the man... now he is just another hack who will twist himself into a pretzel to absolve a black man of a crime of trespassing, and assault. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD ARGUE THAT IF YOU FIND SOMEONE IN YOUR HOME ...YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THEY TAKE SOMETHING BEFORE DECIDING IF HE HAS COMMITTED A FELONY TO DETERMINE IF YOU CAN ARREST HIM? HE ALSO SAID THAT AUBREY COULD SAY THAT HE WAS NEVER NOTICED THAT HE COULD NOT COME ON THE PROPERTY.... YEAH! HIM AND THE REST OF THE PLANET!!!
I’m a 70 year old southern raised white man. I myself have seen a house under construction and out of curiosity, looked inside. This man stole nothing, harmed nothing and threatened no one. The three men that accosted him should at most, call police. It’s very clear as a lifelong southerner that these three were the aggressors and race was at the least, part of it. This man did not deserve to die. It is their fault as determined by the jury and I can’t see why all this arguing is still going on.
This guy was a career criminal. The fact, that he didnt get any loot in this particular house change nothing. He attacked man instead of surrender and waiting police, and he got smoked
Thank you 70 year old white man! We need more open minded folks like you!
@@andreykotovsky You have a point. He was in fact more then likely scoping the place out. He also should've surrendered when held at gun point. He paid for that with his life. The men who shot him should not have chased him down with a gun. They also paid for that decision. With their lives. Learn a lesson from both.
@@lambo5965 Are you insane? So I should just surrender to any random white men with guns and do as they say? What if they order me into the truck? I should submit to that too? You guys are nuts.
@@rehsa2194 First of all. Why does it matter if they are white or black? That is so racist. So if some black folks hop out and point guns at you it's cool. ? If only you knew how ignorant you sound even bringing race up at all in this conversation. If a human being of any race points a loaded gun at your head i know one thing you shouldn't do and that's grab it by the fuckin barrel and try to take it out of their hands by yanking around a loaded gun with the business end pointed at your head like this kid did! What are you insane !?! The only sure fire way you're gonna get shot by someone who's pointing a gun at you is by trying to yank it out of their hands ! That's the most foolish thing I've ever heard. You need to comply and act helpless until the gun is NOT pointed at you anymore before you make a move to defend yourself. Better yet! How about you arm yourself and train so if you ever end up in this situation you can defend yourself!!. Cause buddy. If grabbing the barrel of a loaded gun pointed at you is your plan you'll end up just like this kid did. DEAD.
Imo an avid gun rights person, they should not have confronted this man and not with a weapon! Not under these circumstances. I agree 100%. We must be RESPONSIBLE gun owners!
W Wis They initiated threat of lethal violence by pointing a gun at the guy. The guy could have shot them legally if he had a gun.
If they had common sense they would have followed from a distance until cops arrive, pulling in front of him with guns is a crazy thing to do even if they don't get prosecuted
@@Nathan-jh1ho No, they didn't just point a gun at the guy. No, he wouldn't have been legally justified to kill them. Just as it's still questionable if they were legally justified to kill him. Unlike Noir, I doubt you're a lawyer to be handing out advice.
TheFreshest Slice that's not what I'm saying. I'm agreeing with you. The black guy could have been justified in shooting the guys with the shot gun. As they initiated lethal force
Defend your neighborhood from a burglar? *How DARE YOU!!*
Burglaries will go up under quarantine. The media is *priming* the public *against defending* your community.
*Read between the lines!!!*
I'm a construction superintendent, I run job sites, and I can't stand when someone walks in on my job site, even with signs posted and fencing up. Should someone be chased down and stopped by gun point...nope
what if it is a completed home which appears not completed. What if someone lives inside - say your mum but she left the garage door open and there was no car parked or any indication that anyone lived in the house. Should the person who trespassed be free? What if the trespasser was a convicted rapist?
Even if they do not steal anything from the job site they could be injured. If injured, the trespasser then sues the construction company for the trespasser's own stupidity.
@@oscargrouch7962 Seen it happen on several different occasions.
A potentially armed felon should definitely be approached with all due caution and the means to effect an arrest.
The property should've been fence to prevent public entry
I’m a police officer and always felt this case stunk to high heaven. Excellent breakdown for people that don’t know how the legal system works. Thank you.
Not a good breakdown at all of the "legal system". Here's a proper breakdown.
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@@leeuniverse watched about a minute of the video and turned it off this man had no reasoning he started out with arbey atacking the micheals his perception is obviously some what tainted this man broke down the case by the law yet you still choose to argue that. It's a waste of thine with some of you realistically if this was a white man gunned down and 2 black men cut him off pulled out shotguns would you show some contempt for the white male h
Would the black men actions be justifued he also stated father had 30 years of training but according to new since 2006 he hasnt made any arrest due to lack of training hour and there investigating some of his cases now so this video is already looking shaky ppl tend to bring just half of the evidence and want to state a whole case that's not justice that's biasness and shows lack of integrity
@@leeuniverse If by "proper breakdown" you mean ignore what the law says, sure. Thanks, but I would rather look at what GA law says, which was absolutely ignored in those videos.
terrible breakdown that completely ignores intents significance in legal proceedings.
A P -- intent is hard to prove because it’s a mental state, so circumstantial evidence is needed.
Now that all the facts are on the table and the jury have gone into deliberation, Colion's analysis 18 months later still stands and on point.
I came back to see this comment
Reality: Serial thief of construction sites in neighborhood x, walks into construction site in neighborhood x, but doesn’t actually find anything of value.
Additional defensive pretense? “He was just jogging”, however he’s seen not jogging and wore thick boots with which running is a chore but construction sites can be entered safely.
Colions analysis: Theft? Might as well be searching for Narnia.
@@Sheeshening : The “law” is not on (@Sheesh) side. If you are a Patriot. Then when the law functions correctly. (As in this case) then you stand by the court system that actually attempts to give a level playing field to all parties. Unfortunately. YOU are incorrect on this matter my friend.
@@freshoxygen2176 I see zero patriotism in jailing people for life for protecting a good community, newly ravaged by criminals like AA, because they, knowing their training and good intentions, act in accordance with their duty. They knew the government agents, in this case the police, failed multiple times previously. They had ample opportunity to initiate aggression but didn’t.
If it weren’t for color, nobody would see this as an application of justice. Another dark omen for actual patriots.
@@Sheeshening Well no matter your opinion, those good ole boys won't see the outside of those prison walls for at least 20yrs.
Everyone on Facebook: "I kNoW tHe LaW."
Me: Listens to Colion Noir, an actual attorney.
Which is why I'm pissed at him for skipping the 4th clause. He knows what he did. I expect more from him.
A georgia attorney says otherwise. Once he started to flee, he was guilty. Thats just according to georgia law
and you trust attorneys? 😂😂
@@TzUuup Doesn't matter if he ran or robbed the place blind. The Guys had every right to do what they did. Arbery had every right to fight. But the gun owners acting recklessly escalated the situation and lead to a gun going off in a fight. Involuntary Manslaughter.
@@TzUuup guilt is never presumed, innocence until PROVEN otherwise is. Georgia law doesn't say run = guilt.
As a carpenter, I can say for a fact people do this all the time. Most of the time it is pure curiosity and not malicious. A gutted or under construction home is quite a site for someone who is not used to seeing it.
Why don’t you actually stand afar and look at the gutted or under construction building? And then why you running away if you get noticed. This is pure stupidity. How would you feel if it was your own house?
@@yannickfinesaute1521 i feel nothing because as we saw in the video, multiple groups of people entered the abandoned home. Including children. Considering nothing was stolen by any of these individuals, only an idiot would be crazed and upset by this
Darald s only an idiot would run away if the situation is so normal and usual as you say. You can’t claim one thing and do the opposite
So that makes it ok to trespass sign or not
@@yannickfinesaute1521 yes you can when people are chasing you with guns or are you one of those people who saw the sped-up video of him leaving the house and assumed he "Sprinted away" going 60 miles an hour.
That lady checking out houses with her husband is such a total karen
LOL!
I had no idea this was a thing. When did people start just going into houses under construction?
IF SHE IS A KAREN WHATS HER HUSBANDS NAME ? MIKE ? HE LOOKS LIKE A MIKE ONE OF THOSE DUMB OLD WHITE DUDES
@@dan1273 I did as a young child.
But, at least this one was a Karen with a point. Don't hate the Karens, use them, they can be powerful tools lol
Love how Colion Broke this down.. and he's a pro gun advocate...
He is an idiot on this matter .. let a white man waltz into Colions home and then colion say STOP and then the man attack him... he would not be singin this nonsensical tune.
@@davidbann8388 no one walked into the McMichaels home. These men LEFT their house to chase after a man they didn't even see in another man's home. And had no knowledge of he committed a crime or not. They involved themselves in a situation that didn't warrant a citizens arrest because there was no crime that took place. Nor were they aware of one ever.
@@davidbann8388 you mean let some people chase him around with guns drawn
I agree! I am just hearing about this case and trying to educate my self.
part of being pro-gun is calling out malicious misuse of firearms
As a man who works construction and builds homes, I can attest that neighbors get curious and want to see what's being built, and sometimes this gets us more clients because they see our work.
Steve Sherman the mcmichaels didn’t know any of that before they hunted him down
No one comes from miles away, only the immediate neighborhood. We also have "Construction Site: No Trespassing" signs posted.
@@audi.6106 yes they did. Utilities were stolen in prior weeks on multiple occasions. Read up on the whole story and not just your feelings. No one gives a shit about your feelings.
Thank you. And as someone who does wholesale real estate I can also attest to this. And for every 1 person that walks in while work is being done, 4 more walk in off hour. And having a single camera up on a construction is fairly common nowadays and it is not evidence of people “breaking in” or “casing the joint”
He lived 10 miles away, not a very close neighbor.. I love looking at homes under construction. I tend to ask first and I dont sprint off when confronted by a different neighbor though. Not saying at all that he deserved to die. Wish he had not charged a guy holding a gun and tried to rip it away. Also wish the dumb asses had just waited for the police to find him. Hell, he had 10 more miles to jog home, so Im sure they would have seen him with a jog that long. Could take up to a bunch of hours if he stopped to look at every construction site he jogged past for 10 miles while on the way home. Maybe he had to pee, wait no there was a metro outside,,, may have needed a water because he did not start out planning on jogging 20 miles, but the run just felt right.. maybe shade, hell I dont know why he went in a house 10 miles from home and dont know why the retired cop could not come up with a damn better plan than standing there with a shot gun! Why would he let the guy grab it anyway, he should have just shot,, oh wait HELL no, that gets us where we kinda already are.. Just dont go on 20 mile jogs and stop looking at your neighbors house anyway you nosey assholes! And there were 2 of you, why was your weak ass son in the back of the truck while a guy is trying to take your dads gun and shoot him. Wait, DAMMIT here we go again, we dont know if he would have shot the dad if he were able to get the gun away, maybe he wanted to clean it or something, I dont know. You were all not at your brightest moments, PERIOD!
Anyone who thinks Colion is a race-baiter has lost their minds. You all calling him this clearly don't know him. It's ok to disagree but accusing him of being Al Sharpton sorry hell no.
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Omg. They are comparing this bright man to al Sharpton? They are so on opposite sides of the scales!
In my opinion Colin has demonstrated clear bias regarding this incident, and a 180 turn around from his 2A position...
@Eric Bowman that still doesn't make him guilty no matter how you try to spin it. this is america in case you forgot ,innocent until proven guilty.
@@badbrownbadger4897 why this is not the wild west , we just don't go around shooting people because we THINK they are guilty. the only bias he has shown in this video is bias for the law.
Please do more of these legal breakdowns. Your background as a lawyer is a vital tool to combat ignorant rhetoric
For real too many idiots with no actual legal knowledge are all over the place spreading false information.
Agreed
@@zyrtor1 tell me about it. So many people commenting that this video shows proof of a felony, and then using it to justify a self-defense argument for the shooters.
Agreed!
I agree. It was very informative.
I conceal carry every day. I would NEVER chase anyone down like that if I just suspected them of wrongdoing. I certainly would not pull my self defense tool on a person I saw looking in an open unfinished house. I have walked into open construction sites many times to see the inner workings!
Regardless of his prior record, Ahmad had no reason to be held at gunpoint and lose his life.
Common sense indicates that chasing someone with a gun is not self-defense, and these guys did exactly that. On that basis alone, they made themselves aggressors.
That would be a really stupid thing to do. Its not you property.
@@taraswertelecki3786 it’s a white town they all know each other , they thought they did the right thing
@@mhvisionzz9690 being from a “white town” doesn’t give you the right to chase a colored man down the street trying to block him in and eventually killing him a white town has nothing to do with this if they really wanted to have him caught call the police and let them handle it don’t take the law into your own hands it’s very simple.
@@daleyoung87 It'd be stupid to not know how your house is built so if you ever had to pay someone to make a repair you would pay up the wazoo. I walked through neighboring houses with my dad that were still being built after I bought my house so I could see how my house was built. Now I tell contractors how to do repairs on my home and don't let them fuck me over like they do everyone else. It surprises the crap out of them.
The Mcmichaels had every right to own a gun, as it should be. Now that they've done something stupid with that gun, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, as it should be. I'm pro 2a. Not pro stupid.
Anti stupid then? What are your thoughts on self defense in this case?
@@aidansmart2281 what is self defense
@@aidansmart2281 Yes, what is self-defense in this context?
Un-fucking-real...
agree completely
Aidan Smart there is no self defense when you initiate the contact. I am pro 2A and conservative but I will not defend these guys or even George Zimmerman. Call the police and let them sort out if their was a crime or not. They put themselves in that position. Put yourself in the other guys shoes. Two guys are chasing you holding guns. Who was is actually defending themselves?
I’m a home builder and developer. People are always walking through houses until the doors and windows are installed and it’s locked up. As long as they’re just looking around (not stealing or vandalizing) I don’t really care, you never know who a potential buyer might be. Most other builders feel the same way. Most of the theft I’ve encountered is done by the neighbors taking things like plywood, brick to build planters, etc. The next most common theft for me is people out looking for ideas on their house, likes the finish on my cabinets so they steal a drawer to show their painter the finish they want. Typically a person walking/jogging by on foot isn’t going to steal anything.
I totally agree
@Disheveled Man The main point is that he did not have to jump a fence, open a window, or a door to get in. There also wasn't a no trespassing sign. When my Great grandma died, her house was left vacant for a few months while we renovated it. One day a neighbor called us and let us know that a homeless person set up shop in the backyard. We called the police, but all they could do was warn him to not come back or he would be arrested. The cops then advised us to put up no trespassing signs in the windows so that the police can arrest anyone else that tries to set up shop again.
Or throwing their trash in the construction site dumpster.
@Disheveled Man Depends on context. An open house under construction is very different to a home that is lived in with the front door open.
@@Skinski7 and if the front door was open I might knock and pop my head it to make sure it wasn't a home invasion
Thanks for being our voice ✊🏽
- Pro 2A Young Black Male
I agree. He didn't do anything to warrant being chased down, causing him to feel HE was being attacked
He had been in that neighborhood before, looked suspicious, and he wasn't "recreationally jogging".
@@drarbo1 Sus
@@drarbo1 you want him to be guilty so bad that it has you blind, I jogged, walk, run through many neighborhoods to the point I some residents now know me, but they don't think I'm there to steal property, including going in houses in the process of building
@Buckley thinking of how I would have reacted, guys running me down with guns(which I have experienced) i first try to get away if I'm not carrying, second I fight before I die, my mom taught me at a very young age, if someone tries to take you or whatever you die there, because you never know what they have planned for you...it transferred well to my latter job
@Buckley depends...if he had any bit of training and being that close to a long gun, he could of literally turned him into a helpless hostage, which would control the others, but again it comes down to training..for an explanation would be pointless but weak spot on arm while moving the barrel up, as you go under and put his rotator cuff into a very bad position, you end up behind the person and the weapon is now a choke hold...you want to keep the aggressor in your control as to not get shot do to totally disarming them
I am stunned anyone could find anything unclear or racist or race baiting about your video on this, either of them. Straight facts and clear sharing of honest views on real self defense and preservation. Thanks for keeping all of us non-attorneys well informed and educated.
Case Update Preliminary Trial ...the Murderers are indefensible.
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If someone doesn’t like you then they’ll find the smallest thing to try and hurt your image
I think the problem is everyone jumped to conclusions (as usual) and when the whole story comes out (Just like Michael Brown) the waters get muddy. Video casing the house. Video of a neighbor confronting him then he starts "jogging". His combative history with authority. Charged with bringing a gun to his high school. Watching him punch Travis 3 times in the head before anyone drew any gun. I don't know about you but someone says "stop" with a shotgun in their hand I'm not going to attack them. Travis filled all the boxes for self defense. He was retreating. Ahmaud was advancing on him. He struck him first.
@@MrRexquando "casing the house" is an imaginative way to interpret the video of him in the house.
what video shows him punching someone 3 times before a gun is drawn?
drawing a gun on someone that doesn't pose a serious and immediate threat is assault at the very least. how do you reckon someone is able to commit assault and then claim self defence?
Truth is...this never would've made national news if there wasn't a difference in the skin color of victim and killer. A lot of these stories are only covered for the purpose of race baiting.
Colion is a very intelligent man he isn’t a race baiter in no way. Judging anyone of their skin color is pathetic.
Agreed, I like it, just facts and admits his bias
He’s not a race baiter. He’s just renounced all of his reason on this particular topic, and cannot get past the emotional angle.
Listen to all of the logical fallacies he brings up, just completely marching on his own wang. Common sense button is disabled for this video b
@@theaccount628 what are the logical fallacies? I noticed you didn't mention any.
Barack Lesnar Hoops “he didn’t take anything - he was just looking around.” He misquotes the law and doesn’t mention that construction sites are special locations that are elevated to a felony, and don’t require any marking unless the property is 1 acre of larger.
Thank you colion is factual before anything
Thank you for taking the time to examine the facts as they are released. This is a rare quality few are willing to pursue.
Us following laws, and adhering to facts, is what gives a civilization order..
Factual commentary is the primary need in situations like this.
What is needed is a little perspective. Why are we even talking about this case? The media literally cherry picks cases where blacks get killed by commiting crimes. Liberals cry racist, and conservatives are baited into claiming self defense. The end result is everyone arguing about something that literally doesn't matter. Why aren't we talking about the cases of blacks murdering white people and saying it's because they hate white people? Because the goal is to have people focused on the victim narrative and inflame racial hatred against white people.
I agree. I will wait until after the grand jury before I make up my mind.
Great explanation of the elements of GA law regarding this situation. Your initial video should have been more like this.
@@user-fb8ee7ec8e the real reason is because of the break down within the system..In most cases when two men shoot and kill another they are apprehended and arrested for...guest what..wait for it....MURDER!! so when the system of justice does not work and that seems to be the case..then we want to ask questions why. Never mind who is black or white...the Georgia politician didnt charge and even told the cops not to arrest but then recused themself...and the suspect was a former employee. Seems like quite a bit corruption going on..and I'm sure if someone murdered you that you would want the killers brought to justice right?
@@Queennyla16 you have it completely backwards. He wasn't murdered. He was justifiably killed in self-defense while assaulting somebody trying to rightfully detain him because he was suspected of committing a burglary. they have him on video at this house dating back months. Stuff had been stolen their repeatedly and only a gullible nitwit would make the excuse that this guy was just innocently looking around and then started running away when somebody called the police on him. It's obvious he was up to no good. And when confronted, his first instinct was to assault the man with the gun, presumably to take the gun and kill him as we often see is the case with people assaulting someone who is armed. It is only after the media turn this into a racial issue and started crying racism that these innocent men were charged wrongfully with homicide. Even from the video it is very clear that the black man charges and attacks. This is an ongoing precedent where the media has made it so it's impossible to hold black people accountable for their crimes and anytime a white person does, they are accused of racism and have their lives ruined.
Calling Colion a "race baiter" is like calling Nancy Pelosi a rational, fiscally sound and limited govt authority conservative.
Yeah, but you have to admit she has been rocking some pretty dope scarfs lately don't you think? My girlfriend said she heard that Nancy get them from the same designer that Val Kilmer gets his. Boy, i sure hope Nanc (that's her street name, in case you didn't know) ain't got throat cancer. That wouldn't be bitchin at all.
@@lu77xiaojun37 Lol!!
@@lu77xiaojun37 - I'm willing to bet those scarves are just as expensive as her $24,000 fridge that she bragged about being full of ice cream during this crisis where people are out of work and struggling to keep the essentials in their own fridge.
Look at Colion flexin his attorney muscles. I see you homie.
Meanwhile most of the haters likely barely finished middle school. We've seen this movie before.
Mr.Infumus he sounds like an attorney for oj simpson bronx jury much jury nullification much?
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Damn Colin, You Were Dead On Point With Your Original Analysis Of This Case From Day One! All Of The Race Baiting Haters Didn't/Don't Have A Lane To Stand On, Period!
Now That Everyone Involved Was Convicted, Those Hater's That Don't Know The Law Should Shut Their Mouths And Learn That The Laws Of The Land Have Nothing To Do With Their Emotions!
Convictions Are Based On Evidence That Support Laws That Have Been Violated/Broken!
Keep Up The Excellent Work! We're Learning From Your Legal Perspective And Evidence Based Commentary! ✌️
I admit when Colion talks I listen. Might be one of the best articulate debaters of Gun/2A issues.
Would you say he's a.....master-debater?
Got that right!
I agree with you. I like Colion videos and agree with a lot of his points.
...But, in this case, I think Colion is actually wrong. No matter how I look at it, it’s legal to open carry a shotgun, and if someone charges you, then you can shoot.
Now, if any point, the two white men had pointed a gun at Arbory, at that point, Arbory was in the right to charged them. At that point, Arbory was acting in selfdefense and they are wrong for killing him.
Jus because you are openly carrying does not mean you are a threatening someone with it though. I expected more from colion because he is pro-gun. But in this case, I feel like he is making a poor analysis of every American to self-defend yourself.
Shannon Watts is a good debater also.
I mean... he went to law school lol. So he has a lot more insight on the topic.
I greatly appreciate seeing videos where "facts" and "law" are discussed instead of positions based on visual "elements" and emotional feelings!
I’m disappointed you got in identity politics. You haven’t seen the whole video. Or all the evidence. Yet you are willing to defend this man that has previous burglary on his record. He ran when he was caught, he didn’t left. The thug is dead and there will be a decrease in burglaries in the neighborhood. You keep saying left wrong he ran. Nobody install camera on empty house to catch ghosts. If this was a white man the McMichael would have chase him down the road the same way . Quit pulling the black card. The biggest threat to this country to a black man is another black man
@magna carta that’s the way of the black communities!! Ignorant, place judgement before the facts comes out...then lord and behold, they interject racism.. more and more, you know why we don’t respect black people? They are always interacting racism, comes out with this ridiculous narrative, “hands up, don’t shoot”, now” “black man out for a jog gun down by white men”, who perpetuate this? Their black leaders, Lebron James, Colion Nor and waiting for Jayz and Beyoncé to state their two cents!! I’m half black and I wish I wasn’t
@@bojack509 I don't think Colion Noir was race baiting but looking at this like an attorney. He is actually doing a good break down just committed one small thing and that is Ahmuad attacking the McMicheals uprovoked. Can't be to hard on him he makes a living giving criminals the benefit of the doubt. He should be defending people until proven otherwise.
Let's cut the bullshit . people that commit burglary always case a joint before they actually commit the crime let's cut race out of this and stick to the facts the man had a prior ( I don't condone what happened )
Except the law never said he had to take anything for it to be considered burglary and it also states that a citizen can arrest on Suspicion so no he did not share facts he shared opinion
every time he said "right now" my brain begins the "there's a culture war against the 2nd amendment..." 😂
Hierarch Artanis 😆
@bill gates and you're a trolling race baiter
Mr. NOIR dides with whites all the time, calling him a race baiter is insane, u have white people lol In yours face,
Excellent breakdown. Facts, law, and reason. What a breath of fresh air.
I 100% agree with you. There was no need for a young man to lose his life over this.
Right? if only he didn't try to take that man's gun, he would most likely be alive and well, sitting in the county jail.
@@humbleclay79 absolutely. I don't know why so many criminals act like complete fools when a firearm is present (in this case every single person acted like a fool). There would be a lot less shootings.
No reason for someone to walk into a home that isn't his or have permission to go into.
@@justme-ti1rh Another 100% correct comment.
If you pull on a gun while it’s in somebody’s hand you pull their trigger finger into the trigger causing it to fire.
lot of stupidity here on both sides, as a gun owner with a permit, i would have never confronted him unless he was endangering someone, maybe follow him and call the cops, they should be charged with something.
all he was doing was looking & jogging. How was that stupid on his side?
@@Naj2jacked lol "Jogging"
Yea, something. Georgia Title 16 Chapter 2 Article , GA code § 16-5-2, voluntary manslaughter at a minimum. This is more outright murder than manslaughter though, it was an active hunt with deadly use of force,GA code § 16-5-1 (c).
@@Naj2jacked yup this is different than Ferguson. No one knows what his intent was when he went into the house. But it is known, as for now that he didn't take anything. So you cant do an arrest on someone that didn't break any laws. My opinion might change if new evidence comes out.
@@Naj2jacked grabbing a shotgun while someone else has a handgun instead of running away which he had a chance to is pretty stupid
The whole incident is highly suspect and unfortunate.
Agreed they thought they were right only to be deadly wrong.
not really its a justified shooting. Low iq perp with a guilty conscience charges men with guns....go figure he got shot.
Bizket Butt your just trolling, with a name like that
The thug is dead and there will be a decrease in burglaries
The young man did nothing wrong ... Now he is d e a d . Someone is responsible for his death . It’s called accountability .
If it was you’re son would you want to hear it’s unfortunate and suspect ???
You were proven absolutely correct by the facts shown during the trial. Those men acted irresponsibly and out of the scope of their legal authority as citizens. The outcome of this trial and the Rittenhouse trial were absolutely correct and just.
So it was justice that the guy who ONLY recorded it and followed in his truck and turned the video over with his attorney because it showed his innocence, was convicted of murder? Why is it that just because conservatives won the Rittenhouse case we think we owe something now and can't stay principled? I understand that the first two guys have to pay for a death that shouldn't have happened but the guy who followed? Really? That sits well with you that people can come in your neighborhood from 20+ miles away to "jog" when your neighborhood is continuously plagued by crime and the police pass a photo of Arbery around yet can't make it there in time if you call police and you not only can't do anything about it or even record someone else trying to stop him? Sure doesn't sit well with me.
@@travincal1 Yeah that's the only part of the judgement that made zero sense to me. Accomplice perhaps? But if it weren't for that guy's video, most people would have never even heard of this case to know whether justice was served or not.
I think somebody used to say the facts don't care about your feelings... I think they were onto something.
used to hear liberals say that about 10 years ago. but now it's gone the other way around. it's sad
@@josargor8179 No no don't worry, we still say that to conservatives all the time :)
@@savagecabbage4839 lol liberals don't know what facts are.
Savage Cabbage 😂🤣 like if you liberals know what facts are! 😂🤣😂🤣😂😭😭😭😂🤣😂🤣 that’s a good one!!
Ben Shapiro quotes this all the time when he's systematically shredding leftists and their emotion based arguments. Good quote.
I have been confounded by this case, and listened to many different arguments and points of view. Colion, your video is the most intelligent and thoughtful presentation I've heard. Thank you for making this video.
Even.if.he.was trespassing, that doesn't justify deadly force.
My thoughts exactly. Being stopped by someone; sure, being gunned down? Nope.
Agreed, should have called the police and let them handle it. Yes he broke the law by trespassing, citizen gun down justified?...HELL NO!
And in my state, a construction zone is automatically considered no trespassing because of inherit dangers. I do not know if this is the case in Georgia however.
If he runs at me idc if its justified or not
Not only that, walking onto a construction site like that is typically not considered trespassing, and doesn't become a crime until you've been notified of trespass and continue to do it again.
Scariest part of all of this is, these people can serve on a jury.
Common sense is in short supply these days.
The real scary part is that a lot of these people have the same opinions on guns as I. This was murder and it’s honestly disgusting anyone thinks it isn’t.
Those who attack you personally, calling you names, have already lost the debate and have no logical ground to stand on.
Warren Goss acting’s as a vigilante is also illegal in all 50 states
@@tuckerdavenport6559 The underground railroad were vigilante.......not the greatest argument. This is not a defense of the two men which I disagree with. But it's clear the intentions of Ahmaud were not good. He was ten miles from his house casing this home.
Corrupt Faith did i ever say that vigilante work is bad in every case? no, i was simply pointing out the flaw in his argument.
@@tuckerdavenport6559 Really? The lawyer in this video said you have the right to use reasonable force to detain someone "if you think they've committed a crime."
Stanley Clark maybe you should listen to it a little closer. he also states that you have to be see the FELONY being committed. he also states that there was no felony, therefore there was no justified vigilante work
Excellent analysis of the facts that are currently available to the public.
Which means absolutely nothing
You stated the facts as known up to this point. As a retired police officer of nearly 30 years, I would say you were quite
accurate with your assessment.
I want your opinion officer? Is it a bad idea to go walking onto other people's property?
@@keithjackson4985 it’s a bad idea to try to illegally perform a citizens arrest on someone without knowledge of a crime being committed. That’s why Travis was found guilty on all charges.
@@PapeySapote Agreed.
regardless of what Arbery did or didn't, the three men who killed him did not follow the law with his death resulting. Anything Arbery did before his murder has no bearing on this whole situation.
Correct. There are protocols to follow, and those idiots broke them. As far as I'm concerned they are as stupid as the people who went after Rittenhouse. And now they are facing the consequences of their actions.
I became a I conservative because of my desire to uphold the constitution. This guy had every right to be alive today. The two men that shot him took the law into their hand based on the way that they understood the law. As gun rights advocates and Constitution conservative we have to put a stop to this and educate. This is what you’re doing, Colion!
Since one was a long time cop and DA investiagtor in that area, he damn sure should have known the law.
This gives probable cause to believe that the killers knowingly and deliberately violated the law when they chose to take the vigilante option.
Art. Auberry accosted the man holding the gun and tried to take it ways from him. He had a choice in the matter. When he reached the back of the truck he made a run to the right and should have kept going in that direction. The shotgun wasn't pointed at him. Don't ever ever physically attack someone holding a gun and then try to take it away. Bad idea! Not trying to defend their actions of being armed either.
You guys are totally off the facts. Feel for the mainstream media race baiting. Just give a look at Stefan Molyneu's THREE videos about the subject, each with more and more information updates.
When someone armed, not pointing at you, tells you "I have called the police. Please wait for them to arrive. This is a citizen arrest", you don't frigging *charge* at him and try to take his gun, do you?
We all KNOW for a fact *who* would be dead if he had managed to take that gun!
Take care, because you all may very well be the next MSM "white supremacist" if you need to defend your life...
@@josephbaptist9602 and yet another idiot who doesn't understand a thing, or the law..
Vlad Mordekeiser you state that others are “off of the facts” , then proceed to interject your OPINION! You have NO F/ing CLUE what could’ve happened in that situation regardless of Aurbreys actions. The previous call from the son revealed a startled man (by his own admission) and he stated the purp was “reaching in his waistband” (sounds familiar). IF they believed that was the same guy, it is VERY reasonable to assume they could’ve thought he was armed and STILL SHOT HIM! The only FACTS that we know is that there was a struggle for the weapon.
Regardless of whether or not he was planning on committing a misdemeanor of a crime, He did not deserve to die.
In no way did he deserve death! This is where all the snowflakes get confused. He died because he attempted to take a gun from an armed man. Sad but 100% justified
jesse james so if your life is in danger I’m expecting you to take the buckshot to the chest no problem right ?
jesse james I wouldn’t have been in the situation in the first place. I never draw my firearm unless my life is in danger which was not the case in this situation.
Stupid games win stupid prizes
@@BigBubba89877 Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I had no idea he did this, Yes if someone tried to wrestle away my firearm I would shoot them but is this confirmed?
@@woahglass49 no one drew a gun its a rifle it doesnt go in a holster
I hate to say this but it’s true:
I believe in gun rights, I really do but some people need to realize...
Shooting someone is a real, permanent act and that everyone who owns and carries a gun should pray at night that they never have to.
You should take great pains to not put yourself in a position to be forced into shooting someone even in self defense.
Rule #1 If you see someone’s life being placed in immediate danger by another in the commission of a crime... Do what you need to do. Realize their may be consequences, but understand that life is precious and worth the cost.
Rule #2: If a crime is being committed on your property and in your presence which may present an immediate threat to you or your family...do what you need to do. Your safety is of the utmost Importance.
Rule #3 if you see a crime being committed, and it is occurring off of your property… And nobody is in immediate danger, call the cops and let them deal with it. Take a picture or some video with your phone if you like so the cops will have some evidence but by all means maintain your safety as a first priority. It is not necessary for you to get involved in stopping every petty burglary and mailbox theft in your neighborhood and certainly those don’t warrant someone getting shot.
Rule #4 if you did not see a person do anything wrong, mind your own business.
wb5mgr Spot ON. Never the less, even shooting someone as part of Rule 1 or Rule 2, as you said, be prepared to be arrested, a grand jury or at the very least civil court and litigation which will cost you thousands.
Avoid all of this if possible and shoot and or kill as the last resort.
You do understand that most gun owners also practice non deadly forms of self protection (marshall arts) and a vast majority of times a gun has been used in a good way is by citizens just brandishing a gun. Personally I think a majority of gun owners already know and understand what you are talking about but the issue is with number 3. I understand what you mean but I think that a non deadly way to use your gun in that situation is, one get the perpetrator’s attention and inform them that if they flee that they will be shot and if they stay you have completed step one, step to is to call the cops and inform them that there is a POTENTIAL perpetrator and inform them of the situation, once the cops arrive then your job is complete. That is how number 3 should go.
Very well said 💯
You don't just get to make up rules for other people to follow on the fly. That is a leftist tactic. These men were COMPLETELY within their rights AT EVERY STEP. The ONLY person to blame for the loss of Arbery's life that day was Arbery.
@@mywalterego9248 wb5mgr
wb5mgr
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I hate to say this but it’s true:
I believe in gun rights, I really do but some people need to realize...
Shooting someone is a real, permanent act and that everyone who owns and carries a gun should pray at night that they never have to.
You should take great pains to not put yourself in a position to be forced into shooting someone even in self defense.
Rule #1 If you see someone’s life being placed in immediate danger by another in the commission of a crime... Do what you need to do. Realize their may be consequences, but understand that life is precious and worth the cost.
Rule #2: If a crime is being committed on your property and in your presence which may present an immediate threat to you or your family...do what you need to do. Your safety is of the utmost Importance.
Rule #3 if you see a crime being committed, and it is occurring off of your property… And nobody is in immediate danger, call the cops and let them deal with it. Take a picture or some video with your phone if you like so the cops will have some evidence but by all means maintain your safety as a first priority. It is not necessary for you to get involved in stopping every petty burglary and mailbox theft in your neighborhood and certainly those don’t warrant someone getting shot.
Rule #4 if you did not see a person do anything wrong, mind your own business.
Finally, a voice of reason on this case. Thank you, Colion. Your insight and legal acumen is greatly appreciated by those of us in the pro-2-A community who are disgusted by the actions of the men who shot Arbery...
As a police officer I have been trying to tell my friends exactly what you are saying now... they argue and call me stupid and think I'm trolling them. We will see how this plays out. Sad that someone lost their life regardless of what happened it was a pointless loss of life
Loss of life is always tragic, agreed.
As a police officer you should know better than to make a judgment based on what the media tells you. You should know that you aren't seeing the entire story yet. For example, there is video of him ATTACKING one of the men and trying to steal his gun. That is why he was shot. That is the part of the story you aren't hearing.
Kur Norock if someone was pointing a gun at me with intent to shoot when I didnt do anything wrong...ya, im gonna start grabbing guns and throwing hands.
Kur Norock you are missing the part where the victim was approached and they attempted to be detained against his will. Right there the self defense argument is invalid. Would the victim have “attacked” the shooters if they would had not intercepted him? If not, the shooting happened BECAUSE of what they did, not the victim.
If a unknown civilian tried to stop me, and was brandishing a weapon, I wouldn’t cooperate. I have no reason to believe that their motive is lawful, since we live in the USA. you know, land of the free? Innocent until proven guilty? And I would think the laws of self defense are on my side. We would have a shootout.
@@TheWhills did you watch the video? When did he ever point a gun at Arbery? How are you so sure he had intent to shoot? If he was already pointing his gun at Arbery with intent to shoot, then how did Arbery make it all the way to the guy and tackle him before the guy ever pulled the trigger?
Your version of events doesn't make any sense.
The home owner showed multiple people coming to the house all times of the day and night a couple and kids.
I invite whom I may doesn't mean you can come to. My choice my decision. Not yours. Now! Your point is?
When I was a kid I walked into construction sites all the time I didn’t think any would one care. Most people go into them because of sheer curiosity and even if he had intentions of stealing that’s not the business of someone who doesn’t own that property.
Its all good but realistically i dont like people on my job sites. They just steal my tools 99% of the time. It gets real annoying when you have to keep buying new mixers and saw blades
Random Khajiit I feel you I worked for a remodeling company and their were two occasions where someone stole our work van and all the tools out of it. The cops found the tools being sold on Craigslist and we got them all back lmao
What about the video of him going into the persons garage the same day. He ran out of the second house. He walked out of the construction house.
As a contractor I have people walk onto jobsites all the time.
More security video has just come out of Ahmaud Arbery on the same property in the middle of the night. This was days before the incident. I highly doubt he was jogging in the early hours of the morning. Why would you go into the same property several times and in the middle of the night, unless you are up to no good?
That has not been determined sir. The law does have video footage but they have not said it was him.
How much shit gets stolen....cause we have stuff stolen or vandalized all the time....so it's a no go for us
David im your neighbor... And you are no contractor. Your mothers bitter tears. Smfh.
@@mz.6109 Oh and where do I live neighbor? What city?
This video aged well. Colion called it correct. 💯
After years of working construction its my observation -people are drawn to construction sites, often just to look around...
Carpenter for 15 years I have walked on to hundreds of sites just to look around you're not breaking the law by walking into a construction site unless there is no trespassing signs posted this man did not deserve to die
But they have a right to ask why he was running out of the house that wasn’t his hey why u running out of that house are you robbing them murdering someone raping a woman what were you doing he doesn’t have to answer at all he could sit and wait for the cops but as soon as he assaulted a man and attempted to disarm him he turned what could’ve been a misunderstanding into a lethal force situation
It's abandoned buildings for me. I find them fascinating, and I like looking inside them. There's a story in every one of them. When we were looking for houses, we often walked into homes under construction. It never occurred to me that I might get shot later after doing it. But, I never did it in Brunswick, Georgia, thank God.
You should also know constructions sites are A magnet for theft also
@@914southside Pointing a shotgun muzzle isn´t asking. Or is it in your world?Saying you´re a moron is a disgrace. Looking into a house is not no be compared to a rape. This guy was trying to defend himself from a thug armed with a shotgun.
The entirety of this situation was handled poorly by all parties, no one should have lost their life over something so trivial
Only person to blame for the death is the dead man who tried to beat up a man with a gun.
@I'll taketh thy cheese by force yeah, the guy who pulled the trigger
Links in a chain can old lead to one thing. If you had broken even one of the links this would not have happened. But it started with an ended with him walking into other people's property and attacking a person with a firearm trying to take it.
We Are The Militia he lost his life over assaulting the son and trying to take his gun, no jogging, and not being inside the house.
There's just too much information that we do not know. An investigation needs to be done to find out most of the truth.(SInce Arbery isn't alive to give his side of the story) And still, we will have too many people butt hurt by whatever decision is made.
Dear God I admire Colion....straight facts, clear thought out discussion. Tells you when he's speaking opinion vs fact. Anyone race baiting him is an idiot. Worry about the media twisting for a reaction, Colion's good...
53yo, wht, M, combat vet
U sir! are the man! :-)
Very well poised and factual argument. Highly respectable, which is why I am a fan
Facts
100% agreed. Race does not play into Colion's analysis at all. The only video worth watching regarding this topic. Such an unfortunate string of events
Dan Cammack
I'm also a combat Vet 57 yrs old , thank you for your service.
Colin’s crowd turned on him because they only like him because he mostly repeats their beliefs and it’s magnified because he’s an “unlikely ally.” The turn let’s you know at the end of the day, if “they” disagree with you at any point, he’s still “one of them” and they are one of “yall.”
“Facts”
YOU have never *ever* race baited that I can tell. Please ignore those assertions. I've been your fan since you did a Glock 32 review.
Defend yourself and own property period. Don't go looking for trouble, it will find you.
Amen. You are the least race baiting person I (virtually) know.
bill gates stop with the bot account weirdo.
Agreed. Noir is not (and, to my knowledge, has not been) a race-baiter.
bill gates dude come on
Your initial impression is good, we are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. To add to your story is exactly what you should do, that is known as the development of the story. Excellent job keep up the good fight my Brother!
He grabbed the gun. That's the death sentence. If ur honest u will come to the same conclusion.
To me what is disturbing did a prosecutor or police tell them to go the direction of citizen arrest? I mean the self defense angle could not be played because the guy had NO weapon and was actually trying to defend himself from an ARMED attacker. These two guys allowed their own prejudice and or racism land them in hot water. I hope the courts get this one right and send these two jokers to PRISON
@@mouseypublishings if you were honest you would see that the McMichaels' created a situation were Arbrey had reason to fear for his life. They chased him down, cut him off twice and then came at him with a gun. It was reasonable for Arbrey to feel his life was in danger and react.
I don't think this rises to murder because they were fighting over the gun but it is some kind of homicide.
Real News “...so innocent” ? Maybe you have been in the “real news” world too long. Because here on earth, in America, there are no levels or degrees of innocence. You are either innocent or guilty. The problem that you true race baiters are having is that there is no “proof” that he did anything that day to deserve to be murdered. His past or his history with the two assassins is irrelevant. You are twisting yourself into a pretzel because the only crime that was committed that day was murder. Good luck with your so-called real news. That BS doesn’t fly with people of intelligence. Those of us who can think for ourselves. That BS only works with the “poorly educated” crowd the president always refers to.
We should be innocent until proven guilty in public as well. The court of public opinion isnt a great court.
I am a former officer, and i fully agree with you! My heart goes out to His family, cause this is truly a tragedy! I pray that we learn from this, and it never happens again!
It should've been wiser to wait for the cops than to get fkn guns and try to kill the man.
I gonna be jogging in your neighborhood.
How did you justify being a police officer to yourself during your time contributing to mass incarceration and a for profit criminal injustice system?
If Ahmaud arbery had a gun and was legally allowed to carry one.... he could’ve killed them and wouldn’t have done a day in jail because it would’ve been justified.
FACTS!!!!!
Wrong , self defense isn’t for black ppl look at Trayvon an George zimmerman
Are you going to talk about Brianna Taylor and her husband who had a legally own firearm who is sitting in jail for defending himself
Exactly
Is anybody talking about that?
And they killed Breanna and the bullet that shot the officer came from another police officer firearm.
I dunno.... Gotta wait till all the facts are in before making a judgment.
From what I've been told the cops were serving a search warrant because Taylor's ex had "packages" delivered there and he was supposedly a drug dealer or something to that effect.
When the cops kicked down the door the Boyfriend opened fire. The cops returned fire.... bad day for everyone.
I guess the boyfriend said he thought they were burglars or something...... There's some doubt as to whether or not they announced themselves coming in the door.
I'd say it's still way too early to make a judgment call on that one.
Bout time...this tragedy has seriously got people in deep dialogue. A whole lot of dirt is coming from up underneath the rug...a whole lotta crimes against humanity is suddenly being revisited. God has a purpose for everyone so let’s not have this man’s death not mean anything...guilty or innocent. He’s got people talking...hopefully not battling.
In Seattle nothing is a crime except upholding the constitution
@@user-tl9ji5pd7t no a cop will lose his job for disagreeing with governor's orders if they are unconstitutional. Defying Governor's orders is what happened
Matt Lord o yeah heard about that case. Washington as a whole is just a shithole state!
@@erikmunoz55 wait what happened? I live here and I dont know
@@erikmunoz55 Bro alabama is literally afghanistan tier.
Governments have the power to quarantine and it is in fact in the US constitution and the Washington state constitution. So no you are wrong.
People wanna call for facts until the facts prove their feelings wrong. “...facts, not my feelings.” Got’em.
In CogNito but you cannot use excessive force, ie pulling a gun and chasing down.
@In CogNito "reasonable suspicion " what was it?
Georgia citizen arrest law:
a private person may arrest someone if a crime is committed in his presence or “within his immediate knowledge.” But if it is a felony, the citizen can stop someone from escaping if the citizen has “reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”
Read the last sentence
All they need is reasonable suspicion that he commited a felony AND arbery is trying to escape... both were met
@@michaeljordan1229 no excessive force was used, they did have guns and followed him, asking for him to stop and that the police were on they way after they called the cops themselves. Now Arbery did attack the son with the shotgun and they struggled for the gun, which resulted in shots fired. Not saying it is a good outcome but common sense saying it you attack people with guns then you might get shot, besides you are not suppose to conceal a shotgun in Georgia.
In CogNito He left the site of a misdemeanor and was assaulted by two citizens with guns who proceeded to shoot him. In a state that has Stand Your Ground. Sounds like our local murderers are going to prison.
There was no reason this man had to die or even have a gun pulled on him. The individuals talking about self defense just had to report him and if they were that concerned they could have kept in his area until police showed up. These individuals do not reflect me as a ccw. These people are the reason I preach practice and training as a firearm owner. Just because you own a gun doesn’t mean you have to use it. Should be last resort. And this is coming from, as bill mahr calls us, a gun nut ccw owner
what do you think they were doing... they were tryng to stall him for the cops... but he attacked
@@davidbann8388 if you’re jogging down the street and people you don’t know start chasing you in vehicles and pull guns on you, what are you gonna do?
@@sbuyce1 If they chase me for more than 10 seconds and there is more than one... Ill stop. Because Im smart enough to know.. that they could have shot me already... and if I "fight" im dead anyway becuse there is more than one with a gun. So Ill ask them what their "problem" is. Thats what an Intelligent person does.. so you can disregard..because that does not apply to you.
@@davidbann8388 You are full of it. LOL. If someone is chasing you with a gun you and everyone else would be in fear of your life. People do not always kill right away. People also have other malicious intent when using guns other than killing. You were not smart enough to make one of the dumbest statements on YT.
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Well I guess that doesn't matter anymore. All three of them are done for and are going to prison.
Colion, I have always found your analysis to be fair and spot-on. This case is no exception. I would add that, even if Mr. Arbery had gone into the garage and carried out a bunch of expensive power tools, it would still not have been lawful for a CCW permit holder to draw his or her gun. There was no imminent threat of great bodily harm!!! A cold burglary is not the same as armed robbery! If they could not detain him with non-lethal force, they should have let him go. Documenting any crime and turning it over to the police is what should be done when there is no imminent threat of great bodily harm. As a CCW permit holder, I would NEVER produce my firearm if there was no imminent threat to me or an innocent bystander.
I agree with you, why put yourself in that position, even IF he was stealing. This guy has a good video on it though, and how possibly their actions were legal.
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CH Which element of self defense do you think the shooters have lost if any? Reasonableness?
If you're power tools were kinda shitty anyway make an insurance claim on those snap ons bro
I think Georgia is open carry
In Texas, there is also a distinction if the incident is in the day or night. A daylight burglary has a much higher level of imminent danger before lethal force is justified
I love how good Colion can discuss issues like this.
It’s a tragic situation, to be sure. The way you discuss this Colion, is absolutely well-covered. God bless you Sir!
@UnKnown Element Essentially.
Reasonable suspicion doesn't mean rock solid proof.
If you hear a woman yell "rape, rape!" and you turn the corner of the street and see her on the floor bloody, and a man running from her, guess what? Although you didn't see the crime, you have a reasonable suspicion that a felony happened, and you have someone fleeing. You are free to stop that man running, and detain him for the police.
You always articulate the facts and destroy the liars with ease. It’s an art. It’s beautiful. Thank you for being a great person and a great American always standing up for truth, justice, and our unalienable rights. 💙
@Rusty Shackleford , You do not listen. You must look at what happened just before Arbery ran at the one man. You purposely ignore that and jump to the fact that he ran at him. That is not only dishonest but deceitful. You cannot prove Arbery did anything wrong for those two men to try to detain him. They had no reason (as far as we know at this time) to detain him and especially with a gun. You like only one fact and ignore the rest of the facts. All the facts are the "totality of the circumstances". This is required to make an accurate assessment of the situation. You did not do this. As Mr Noir already stated, the facts we know right now show the two men did kill Arbery without justification. When there is evidence to show Arbery threatened them then we can applaud them for defending their life. Right now, it is you who needs to step back from accusations.
@Rusty Shackleford
He literally just proved in this video there was no criminal trespassing. FACT.
Just because you were guilty of one crime doesn't mean you're guilty of another crime. FACT.
The 3 people who killed Aubrey did not know about his past so they did not know about his status prior to hunting him down in an illegal manner. FACT.
@Rusty Shackleford What about the fact he did not commit a crime to our knowledge. You have two people trying to commit a crime against another where is his right to self defense. Two people set out to violate his rights as a free man and hold him against his will. When and who took that right away?
@@highof7513 When someone tries to disarm any person with a firearm, they become the threat.
SmittyinPHX Yes, but that doesn’t mean they are acting in a lawful manner. Police rushing at an active shooter are a threat to the active shooter, but that doesn’t make the active shooter lawful in his/her actions.
Who knows what compliance would have gotten Arbery? If he complied, he might be alive, or he might not. He apparently felt the need to defend himself in that manner and (based on current evidence) was lawfully allowed to do so. Unfortunately it didn’t pan out for him and cost him the ultimate price. Maybe fighting back was what got him killed, but either way, his killer(s) are in the wrong here and they may very well pay for it with their lives.
Rip to this young man gone too soon and thank you Colion for your honest breakdown
lol the dispatcher was even confused "what is he doing wrong" she says
It wasnt his running down the street. So foolish. It was his going in the house, again.
@@colleenposadas8415 What did he do in the house?
@@R1kual He did nothing in the house. It was under construction and he left. It may be just curiosity tbh.
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_It wasnt his running down the street. So foolish. It was his going in the house, again._
Again, which is irrelevant since there is nothing wrong with that.
@@colleenposadas8415 That's not illegal. Did you even watch the full length of Colion's video? He did nothing wrong. Also, it's not if you're right or wrong - it's what you can prove in court. These two jokers are going to prison for a very long time.
So far what I see is curiosity and stupidity mixing together to make a tragedy.
ReFriedNoodle.
ya that’s what I see
Stupid dude tried to take someones gun and got shot lmao.
@Alexanderiel You would then be jailed. They were allowed to open carry and until he points his weapon or acts in a threatening way you can't just shoot him for open carrying a shotgun.
@@imzanky6321 this doesn't really meet the open carry defense. Open carry is entirely for your own self defense, they didn't happen to have the guns on them and by chance ran into him. They quite changed that defense by taking their guns and truck and chasing a kid down blocking him in the roadway and then pointing a gun at him because of a suspected crime, which was at best a trespassing. If the police did that to anyone for trespassing I'm sure there would be a media firestorm.
It's a verbal technicality that they had guns in the open but it's not going to be a usable defense. They placed themselves into that position and escalated the incident. Ironically it was them who pointed the guns first, which is why Arbery tried to defend himself with what he had, his hands. Also, if you are a gun carrying American, which I hope you are, I'm sure you'd be threatened by some random people in plain clothes and a truck stopping you in the street and pointing a shotgun at you. So in that case I would hope you'd give them some lead.
I'mZanky , There was a case in Arizona about twenty years ago, where a neighborhood watch guy decided to do the same thing as these two idiots did. Only it was a DEA agent parked on surveillance and he shot the guy dead the moment he pointed his rifle at the agent.
What a perfect explanation of the situation based upon the information that has been released this far
I could not agree more.
Stefan molyneux breaks it down and even goes into the background of the individuals involved as well as the fact citizens arrest is legal in gorgia. On top of that he brings up questions that many dont think of.
@@Thekid3668 The citizens arrest statute is talked about in this video as well. The citizen must have probable cause that a felony was committed or was about to be committed. These two could not have witnessed a felony because one wasn't committed. Bye bye citizen's arrest angle.
I like how people still commenting "What if" on a video this man is clearly tell us use the FACTS at hand.
he is NOT talking facts...
Fact is Abery ran towards a man with a shotgun, grabbed that weapon, and started throwing punches.
@@davidbann8388 found guilty
Well Well Well... Looks like he was factual after all. Im sure there are those who will disagree with the courts and evidence presented as well... Being as though The Black Lawyer actually pointed these things out A YR AGO!
@@robertgaudet7407 u guys down bad. Yo if I was a nasty bigot, I wouldn't wanna come to terms with that either.
This is why black people need to start exercising your rights legally. It's your right too. If you're not a felon dont let anyone tell you other wise.
Henry McNeil Thats true but black elders and hip hop brainwash us from birth to "feel" they are not our rights despite reality.
Henry McNeil Except this man was a felon, and on probation at the time of his very unfortunate death tgat coukd have been avoided if he didnt charge the man and attempt to take his gun from him. Media, like I said, is lying to divide us, preying on our tribal instincts-and the media took a letter out of his name to make it so we couldn’t find his arrest record without some investigation. Many of his offenses involved him being armed with a gun - which is why the men, x-police officers, recognized him, knew he was dangerous, his prior arrests, and when heard the 911 call on their radio saying a man who fit his exact description was commititing or may have committed a crime in that area, and then saw him in that area-armed themselves, for their own protection while making citizens arrest, until police arrived. This wasnt just Joe citizen taking justice in their own hands and pulling out a shotgun because he was black and they were good ol boy racists hunting him. Quit feeding the race baitor media narriative-give every MSM story time to breathe, and as always, the facts begin to unfold, and turns out we were lied to in order to feed racism, fear, guilt, and to get us fighting eachither instead of the true enemy. Every sensational news story should be given three days to a week before we react emotionally-thats what they want - outrage - from the narriative the lying media feed us 24/7 that police are shooting blacks left & right, and that cops, our POTUS, and white people are racists who hate them and want tgem dead. Statistics show police shoot blacks less often in the same scenerio vs whites, BECAUSE they kniw what the media will do if they shoot someone who is black! Why at this point have we not learned from the past, after being lied to repeatedly, with malicious intent? Its only going to help them suceed in ripping society apart. Its creating huge problems.. soon the only people dumb enough to becone a cop will be the ones who take the job for the ‘perks of power’, dirty ones. Already, due to a severe drop in applicants, and a severe rise in police suicides, PD’s are lowering standards in weight/physical fitness, temperment & IQ. All of this will eventually make their fake narratives a reality, and make raising our children and living in a safe, secure environment a near impossibility.
His REAL last name is spelled “ARBURY” - I have seen multiple ‘media’ outlets misspell his name, but none were spelled correctly. You would think the media would have got his name right, in such a horrendous circumstance, to honor him & his grieving family.... right?
And, as always, the media puts ‘no charges have been filed’ to throw fuel on the fire, but there’s a reason why they aren’t charged - they aren’t guilty of a crime, or the investigation and facts if the case takes time, sometimes weeks. But the media jump on it prematurely to take advantage of that process, by the time facts come out, they are not only buried by the same outlets, the truth at that point doesn’t matter - the story & narrative is already reinforced & solidified in the public’s perception, marches, protests, shirts, memorials, outrage, sorrow, pain & fear are already carved into the psyche... it’s SICK
@@bgarbled He wasn't a felon. Your whole comment falls apart very quickly.
@@bgarbled ok even if he was a felon which I'm not seeing any info like that, he did not block their path of travel while brandishing guns. Had he been armed he would be in the right to shoot them both dead
Always someone got a problem with a black man being armed. That's actually the reason why the NRA was formed.
I do remodeling as a job. Random ppl stop and come in all the time just wanting 2 see what work we're doing. Ur right, this is not uncommon
I've done that kind of thing, but I got permission first and definitely didn't show up at night, alone
Denue Movers
Suuuure. Do those people also run full sprint away from those homes, as if they had done something illegal too?
@@jonkR96 from what i heard he was out for a jog
When i was a kid they were building 3 new houses next door to mine, and my friends and I would go in them and hang out, play paintball, etc. when no one was there. Honestly it seems like they would be more justified in shooting me for "vandalism" than this guy, who just ran in and out.
I suppose I was just a kid though, and he was an adult, but even if he was still stealing from a construction site it's not worth killing over.
Denue Movers I agree. Lifelong contractor here, and people are curious and love to see the work being performed on a home or a new residence or business.
Hopefully they release the whole videos. All of them without editing.
Even if he took something they should have first called the police. They had no justification in killing him.
Because a person's life isn't worth what...at most some dam screws, I mean he didn't back a truck and start loading wood, etc..I don't understand alot of these other people's view...at least you're not one of them
@@son_of_guns remember in the early days when people were saying he lived 20 miles away. I was always like does "so was he going to do? Run 20 miles carrying a miter saw?"
@@Generali087 yeah having one, doesn't seem practical and guys take their tools with them or secure them at very least, but residential its more likely loaded up for other projects, but I think everyone has a view and nothing will change it
From reading the comments it's really surprising me how many people have never walked through a house under construction just to see a floor plan 😂😂😂
How many times does he need to see it?
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Browning35 are you condoning the murder of a man who didn’t break a single law
@@browning3519 , how many times is none of your business. You sound like the brown shirts who want to rat on their neighbor for thought crimes.
I've walked through house's under construction all my life! And when I get confronted I don't run away I explain why I'm there and have never had a problem....from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠🇺🇸p.s. stay safe and healthy everybody GOD BLESS ❤
Lawrence Petway : Guess you didn’t watch the video. That’s repeated burglary. Not to mention charging Travis McMichael, punching him in the head and attempting to wrestle the shotgun away.
What do you think he was going to do when he got it away from him? Check out the interior lay out of his skull after he killed him with it is the correct answer.
So fuck him.
There's just so much going on here it's hard to know where to start . After 20yrs active duty , in the SO communit, and for the last 15yrs working as a shooting/tactical instructor, it's hard for me to imagine this father worked as a police officer for some 30 odd yrs. The lack of judgement as well the astronomical lack of any professionalism showen by this individual boggles the mind. It's hard to fathom any father that would needlessly put his own son in harms way. Mr. Arbury might have made some better decisions in hindsight, but then , any hindsight he would have ever contemplated , was taken from him . I really don't know if there was a racial component here or not . I do know this . The father and son should not have been walking around free for 2 months. They should have initially been booked for felonious stupidity and locked up while a proper investigation was done . My condolences the the Abury family.
the 'walking around free' part is moot at best. Even if they were charged with 1st degree murder that day they would have been out the same day or next because of either bail OR quarantine madness and no-jail policies in place.
What would you say if the father and son had been uniformed officers?
I'm guessing you'd be a lot more forgiving for the consequences.
Stupidity on both sides. Going to be a shit show in the media any way it goes.
I tried out one of those video shooting ranges, and I'm proud of my shoot/don't shoot reactions. Training is the key to avoiding these tragedies.
@@eshootziscrs2868 If they were officers responding to the 911 call made, they would have been making an articulably reasonable Terry stop as part of their investigation. Citizens don't have the power to make Terry stops. So, yes, it would be different for officers because officers have vested powers from the state to handle these matters as agents of the law. In fact, if they were officers attempting to make a Terry stop and the exact same thing happened, they would have been justified in shooting Arbery because they were justified in making the Terry stop.
Since the dudes in the truck don't have that authorization to make a Terry stop, all they're left with is illegally brandishing a weapon (the driver pointing a shotgun directly at Arbery) which is a felony and clear threat against Arbery's life with no justification for the action. Therefore, the actions that took place were self-defense on Arbery's part.
I have a hard time believing this... " in the SO communit" that means Special Olympics and not special operations, correct? Then, "15yrs working as a shooting/tactical instructor", did you train the McMichaels? And while you're showing your condolences to the Arbury family, what ever happened to them I'm sorry unless it was Karma, you might want to show your condolences to the Arbery family...BTW, were you in charge of Operation Eagle Claw? Or do you just tell stories to get free buffets from Golden Coral?🤣🤣🤣
I’ve went into under construction homes looking for the door way to Narnia when I was younger. Don’t see a problem with that at all.
There is footage of 2 kids going into that house, I wonder if they would of chase them too completely retarded excuse from those 2 murders.
That was very dumb of you, and kids do dumb things. This was an adult, and especially given that it is reported to have a "No Trespassing" sign on premises, it was a crime.
Micah Dale ...and so approaching him with a gun/murdering him is warranted for trespassing?
Micah Dale Furthemore, let’s not pretend adults don’t walk into homes being built out of curiosity. Anything to justify a murder. What’s wrong with you people?
Micah Dale Lastly, did you watch the video or envision that there was a “No trespassing” sign to enhance the fantasy? There has been no report of any signs on the property.
So many people believe their feelings are facts. Thank you for the dose of sanity for America.
Never take a video down - the genius is being able to see information taken in, analyzed and positions adjusting or not - seeing people move on information is important.
No faith in humanity, instead of debating and arguing on how this all could have been avoided, we talk about how the shooting is justified. No one in Aubrey shoes would just stand there and want guns pointed at them. There was no reason to bring weapons into the situation and using laws to justify a needless death are inexcusable. Last time I checked, justice is blind not cruel.
The people arguing for the McMichaels are what we would call "apathetic" or as you touched on, not very resembling of a human being.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 "apathetic" is would be an upgrade
If anything arguing if the shooting is justified is more important than arguing about how this could've been avoided. If we argue how this could've been avoided nothing would change. If we argue if the shooting is justified then that decides the future for the people that killed him. Arguing how it could've been avoided would literally solve nothing.
What if I said " if I had guns pointed at me then I would've just stopped." Which is a way to avoid the situation going as far as it did, it would still change nothing because the events already happened. Also not only that but there are many ways this could've been avoided and the answer to avoid this would probably change depending on the person.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 whether or not they should have brought their guns with them is debatable. however once someone is stopping you with said guns and you attacked them, it's probably likely you will get shot.
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Wooooow!!!
My guns are for self defense, if the person was stealing and leaves that’s not a threat just an aggravation. Either way it wasn’t self defense.
grabbed gun and tried to fight
You're right! It was suicide.
@@JasonRyanWilson no this is homicide plain and simple
@@tseawell90 As was his right to do. If you try to wrongfully imprison me prepare for a fight.
@@Macca-95 Damn straight
Thank you so much for your clear and concise explanation of the case. As a Dallas area Realtor, I explain to people all the time that it is legal to walk thru a house under construction as long as you only look and not move or remove anything.
I live in Dallas... Its Good to know! Thanks
The peoople who buy your houses will be at the mercy of the Arbery's of life who go where ever they want, whenever they want.
@@ok.s4830 It is completely false. You cannot enter
private property without permission.
1st. Call the cops 2nd get all the info you can. 3rd only engage if your or someone else's life is in danger! We all have to accountable for our actions good or bad.
thats actually what happened, unless they have some new guns in america that pull people toward the gun..
This is on Georgia not the other states lol
Kent Simonsen but here’s the funny thing, i guarantee, if you saw that white couple walk into there, you wouldn’t call the cops. You’d probably wave. Black guy? You’re confronting them. That’s the problem with this situation
Kent Simonsen you don't pull a gun on someone unless there is a life threat. They pulled a gun unnecessarely and that's why they will be in jail for a loooong time
@@gabriel39495 agree
They need to show the full clip of him inside the property. Don't trust the media.
there's nothing else that could have occurred while he was inside the house that wasn't recorded that would have changed the legality of the matter. There was no report of assault of anyone inside, nor of arson, nor of vandalism, etc. Moreover, video surveillance systems often record only while there's motion in the field-of-view of the camera...no more motion and the camera shuts off waiting for the next motion trigger event.
I would like to see that myself but still don't think it would have a bearing on my opinion.
Did you not see/hear the part where the owners stated that nothing was stolen and Arbrey did nothing wrong?
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Irrelevant, Arbery charged Travis before Travis' first shot. Everything else is a red herring.
@@matthewcrist1012 Correct. Bottom line is that on video all we see is the gun going off after Arbery grabbing it.
At least you're intelligent about discourse. Not nasty and emotional.
@Ten Two Lions Whelp good for you
@Ten Two Lions Whelp Literally the OP's point. 🙄
Because this a nasty and emotional situation.
I'm a General Contractor, and I've built housing developments before, people would constantly come by after hours to check out the construction. It sucks because technically they're trespassing, but I never encountered I'll intentions. When I explained they need to leave per safety osha regulations they were usually understanding about it. The point is, they should just have asked his purpose there and send him on his way.
Yup... Copper prices are through the roof. We have a real problem with people literally gutting brand new homes of all their AC line sets. We try to wait to the last possible moment to install them.
@@SB-or5mj same here. I've had them take my plumbing fixtures as well.
The defendants didn't see him on the property... the senior McMichael saw Arbery running down the street and decided to get his son and their guns to chase him... they had no idea that Arbery was on the property until after Arbery was murdered
Dave Chappelle "Calling all cars, calling all cars. Be on the lookout for a black male between 4'7" and 6'8""
In some areas that is enough, just like 4'7 to 6' 5' white male is good for other areas. That doesn't make it racist, just defines a person in relationship to others. Die Hard with a Vengeance, putting McClain in Harlem made him unusual. Now if anyone called that in, would they omit or include race? I am suggesting they would include it since he could drop the sign.
Wasn't the police Dummy!
Ohio Dave
@@davesbackyardchickensandou3905 Truth
@@givemethedaily1052 4'7 to 6'4 is a huge height disparity...
When peeps realize Colion is a lawyer.
I was thinking the samething.
I didnt watch the whole video yet. Can you tell me where he says he is a lawyer?
@@MrYugideck it's common knowledge, look at his videos when he frequently appears on fox news, they introduce him as 2A activists/ lawyer because he has a law degree and he is a certified lawyer.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colion_Noir
Here's where he's losing it: He's referring to the standards that need to be met to get a CONVICTION of ARBERY at TRIAL. These standards DO NOT need to be met to justify an ARREST. Cops... and CITIZENS... do not need to hold a jury trial and find the suspect GUILTY before an ARREST is justified!
Look, none of the "baffle with bullshit" elements matter.
The McMichaels were legally armed (ever heard of the Second Amendment?) Doesn't Colion carry everywhere HE goes? Will he commit to throwing his weapon aside the next time he comes face-to-face with a criminal?
Have you looked at the applicable Georgia statutes? ARBERY attacked and tried to take a weapon from Travis. ARBERY was the one with a criminal record; the McMichaels were NOT. ARBERY was the one prohibited from possessing firearms (like the one he tried to grab!); the McMichaels were NOT.
He WASN'T shot because he was Black.
He WASN'T shot because he was "jogging" (IN FACT, he wasn't even JOGGING, he was just walking around looking for shit to STEAL).
He WASN'T shot because he went into a house to look for shit to steal.
He WASN'T shot because he ran away after someone saw him.
He WAS shot because he attacked & tried to take the shotgun from a witness to his potential crime.
CASE CLOSED.
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Level headed answers... This is why I follow
jabonyakeh yep, same here.
Thanks for taking the “feelings “ out this story and sticking to the law and the facts only. You always break down the law so that a broader population can understand it without getting sooo dull. Keep up the good work.