Xiaolin Showdown's TERRIBLE Sequel: Xiaolin Chronicles
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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2021
- Xiaolin Showdown was one of the first cartoons I ever watched that had a progressing story to it. I instantly feel in love wanting to watch every episode when it came out. It was sad having the show end the way it did so when I learned it was going to get a sequel series called Xiaolin Chronicles, I was very excited. Unfortunately that excitement turned to disappointment...
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Made a slight oversight in this video by not knowing Wood is an element in Chinese culture, thus making Ping Pong's element a valid one to use. My apologies for the hiccup ;-;
ALSO FLASHING LIGHTS AT 11:21 FOR THOSE WITH SENSITIVE EYES!!!!
Still, I agree that both the element and character slot should have gone to a more developed character from the original show.
It’s not a hiccup at all! Most people who aren’t weird culture trivia nerds usually have zero clue about it. Especially in the cartoon community where the big elemental magic juggernaut ATLA exists.
If they were going off wu xing elements wouldn’t they take off wind and add in a metal user?
The thing is, the show never used the Chinese elements to begin with. There's no Air/Wind in the Chinese elements, instead there's metal.
The five elements comes a lot from southern China, especially in Hung-gar where they are paired with an animal and an organ.
Tiger = Heart and Fire
Snake= Stomach and Earth
Dragon= Kidneys and Water
Crane= Lungs and Metal/Air (I believe the confusion comes with a similarity between the words gold and air when being translated)
Leopard= Liver and Wood
In the 108 which is a form that includes all these animals (plus iron body and poison hand) the order of the animals in the form can vary on which elemental cycle you are embodying.
Can we pretend showdown went out on a high note and chronicles never happened?
Been doing that for years
Already am.
No
Fortunately until this video that was the situation I was in, now I’m of to drink until my short term memory is gone.
@@backupplan6058the amount of alcohol needed to forget this train wreck would kill a man.
If you think this show couldn't be THAT bad, then you're sorely mistaken. In this show, there's a shen gon wu that enhances your farts, and Chase Young is seen using it. Chase Young, probably THE most nuanced character in the original series, most serious villain in the show, who makes a point to only rely on his own power, uses a fart shen gon wu on his enemies, which Omi either wins or Chase gives it to him, then he proceeds to use it as well. This is the reality this show lives in. Not to mention they've made Dojo's shen gon wu rashes UNNECESSARILY disgusting. I've seen less disgusting cysts in my med vet classes
YES! I gave up after a few episodes. I could not stand it.
For real, though! In the original show Chase didn’t go after any wu that wasn’t powerful or part of some big plot that he has. Like, Chronicles decided to just fuck it up for everyone.
There was also a “high-tech” shen gon wu called the honey badger. Need I say more?
Yes the excessive use of bodily fluids and Dojo' ass warts was very gross and unnecessary 🤢
@@GamzeenMakara I HATED his backstory in chronicles. He was pissed at his dragon waifu primarily.😑
Holy shit, people actually remember shaolin. This makes me proud. Jack was my favourite animated villian growing up.
I missed his girly screams lol those always killed me
I sure do. I'm turning 30 later this year and Xiaolin Showdown is still one of my favorite shows of all time. Jack Spicer is still one of my favorite villains and favorite cartoon characters of all time.
Few years ago, my TRPG group played Mutant and Mastermind and I based my character as Jack Spicer, it the most awesome game I had, every session there was at least few roar of laghter because of how I played my character
I was a Chase Young fangirl for sure...
@@sophiefilo16 Chase Young was an awesome villain as well. Another one of my all time favorite villains and cartoon characters.
Chronicles didn’t even feel like a full reboot. It felt more like a mix between a sequel, a reboot, & a really bad fan fic
That's what I always felt too . Considering from the very first episode to like half way through they point out all the inconsistencies in their " sequel " .they made it vague on purpose and the characters were even aware of it
Also, I will always be salty about Jermaine. He deserved so much better and will always be the true fifth dragon in my book.
Especially after the whole finding himself deal after training with Chase. It really should've been him.
100%
Yeah... They really built him up to be the 5th guy and everything.
Like... Why even do that if he's just going to be left a nobody-ass side character?
@@dahlrjay63 I heard that his voice actor died.
@@InvestedGman He did though I’m not sure if that was before or after the original ended. Not that that could have stopped them from adding him here given that almost all the voice actors had to be changed anyway
Should have been the Dragon of Lightning.
I remember how scared I was as a child, when in the original series Wuya got her body back for the first time and everything around them was dying. What did Chronicles give us? She got her back scratched and was there talking about girl power.
Wuya was incredible in the original series. The sense of threat that she gave off at the time was something most other shows on Cartoon Network didn't have going on at all. Even legendary shows like Samurai Jack and Dexters Lab didn't ever really go as far into that territory as Xiaolin Showdown did. The closest thing you could get was watching shows like Dragon Ball Z and Naruto on Toonami.
@@Crow_Rising what I also appreciated about her is that she kept her promise to Raimundo when he helped her and really tried to give him what he asked for and was kinda nice to him. Something that's quite rare to villains. It also made his decision to save his friends way more effective.
@@FillaneAmmisto Yeah definitely. There's so many different ways the original show was way ahead of it's time, at least here in the West. It still holds up fantastically today.
@@Crow_Rising totally. My younger brother loved that show too. Tbh he loved many shows I used to watch more than what he had (he was born in 2003)
Never watched the chronicles and I am so happy I missed it if that's what I have to look forward to.
Oh man, your suggestion for Jermaine to replace Ping Pong is so solid! What an absolute missed opportunity.
"This is your the worst nightmare? You're more pathetic than me!"
Golden roast
As well as a double edged roast, as Chase realized.
For as much as I love Showdown, I remember seeing the announcement trailer for Chronicles and how hyped I was....and then I watched the first episode, said to myself "What the F*** was that?" and never even bothered to watch anymore.
Same. I even remember going to a con during the hype build up to Chronicles and they had a small booth with some of the animators there to promote it. I even got a signed poster and I don't think I have ever regretted a poster as much as I do that one.
Exactly me! I watched the first episode, and while it didn't outright suck, it was clear that it wasn't Xiaolin Showdown. The wannabe Omi pissed me off, and wood seemed so stupid after they spent the entire first show talking about only four elements. Hell, I would've preferred it if some character that wasn't an Omi ripoff turned out to be the "Avatar" of the series, master of all four elements. But to throw in a fifth element out of nowhere and make this annoying, mini-Omi the main focus? I keep telling myself I'll finish the season one day (to give it an honest try), but it's already been 8 years, so probably not...
when a show does well like this a different company shouldn't buy it, because every show where that's happened has been crap
Yup I gave 2 episodes and went "what the F is this BS."
you know evn though i think shows that were good shouldn't be brought back, but there's is one way i think they could of had this work and feel free to disagree with me, what i would of done is have it start from where it took off fighting all the villains at the temple and have something happen an explosion or something to explain why hannible(stupid villain honestly) was gone, why dojo turned yellow, etc. and make the show more about Raymundo trying to be a good leader
You unlocked a memory I didn't even know I had
I thought this show was a fever dream
@@imreadyt0g0h0me bro same i had the game for the ps3 tho
@@imreadyt0g0h0me same here
@@imreadyt0g0h0me just like hero 108 and hi hi puffy ami yumi
@@unfazedjae2645 hero 108 will always have a special place in my heart
Whenever I think about this show, I feel but for Christine Hui more than anything.
Because from her posts, you can see that she wanted to continue her series in a meaningful way. To give us the proper sequel we wanted and go even deeper in the lore
But she got screwed over by company control and copyright BS and had to settle with whatever chronicles was since WB wasn't interested in continuing it or giving back the rights
I still hope she will eventually manage to get her new series at some point
I'm honestly surprised the Chronicles even happened in the first place, because it wasn't made by Warner Brothers
@@beastlycharizard13 yeah especially considering they used the same characters and general IP but couldn't use the Shen Gong Wu names? How does that work?
"Do not be laughing so loudly Jack Spicer. For the ones who will be laughing loudly, shall be US."
"What Omi just did to that sentence, where gonna do to YOU."
Easily my favorite line from the series.
Gotta love Raymundo
We're*
@@vincentvincent2658 what Starsaver did to that sentence, we’re gonna do to you Vincent. Lol
@@MrDrProfessorSir962 Lol,*
@@vincentvincent2658 lol all jokes aside did the video give info on where to watch this lol gonna go look now
Chronicles is such a weird mess. It tries to be a soft reboot for the franchise but is also blatantly a sequel. There is just so much weird corporate rebranding that I couldn’t get into it
Right ,but the problem was it just wasn't good by itself. Like if u going to soft reboot at least decide on it and make it well ,not just jump back and forth and just do a bad job in every way .the show from the 1st episode didn't know what it was by telling us a different story while also bringing up how it's not the same but in a later time and just ignore it .
@@komlat253 That's only the first 3 episodes. From 4 onward it's a total reboot.
To be honest the original series isnt as good as you remember, it had an insane amount of sci fi elements and eastern elements and is a really good series for children or people that havent seen many movies or Tv. But if you go back you will notice how truelly boring it is. If you compare to other all time great movies, series it doesnt even come close. It is actually weird that children that watched it in the mid 2000 wanted a continuation because the series had an ending that fitted it.
Growing up it makes absolutely no sense to have a follow up series, with the same maturity because all these people allready are grown men and women and etc.
This is the change of mind that happens to people once they grow up, experience more things, learn more stuff and see how the supposed depth is just fiction or just not there.
Further, the human mind bores it itself fast.
ping pong is like scrappy doo from scooby doo a charecter that resembels the main character add to the team
Except that I actually like Scrappy Doo.
Scrappy doo had some good moments. Ping pong was just pure trash.
You insult scrappy lmao
Scrappy Doo actually helped saved the franchise.
Scrappy was terrible character I don't know what you guys are talking about
Alright, but you just reawakened my crush on Chase, my boy was living on the streets of my brain, now he's going to get a freaking suite rent-free
PREACH 🙌🏾
Not gonna lie, I know people hate gritty reboots, but a well adapted, live action of Chase Young?
👁👄👁
Amen to that, Chase was my bi-awakening.
Something else I hated about XC was the gross out humor. In Showdown, Dojo always itched or broke out in hives when he sensed a new Shen Gon Wu. In Chronicles, he breaks out in spurting blisters, at some point even popping them and causing puss to go all over the place. The worst part about that is in one of those scenes, Kimiko says "can we please keep this on a need to know basis." I've never seen such tone deaf self awareness in writing.
Chase young was my favorite character in the original but what they did to him here is a disgrace
Didn’t he flirt with his own daughter?
@@SouthSideOdaiba Yep
Making him Lay an egg and took away a lot of his intelligence.
i will admit i wont watch the other series because of most of the character changes.
@@emmetlover206 seriously they had him lay an egg
I legitimately thought Xiaolin Showdown was a fever dream I had as a kid until they announced Xiaolin Chronicles. Then the real fever dream started.
Same I would get random flashbacks of omi but I could never remember what he was from and I was so happy when I found and fully watched showdown. Then chronicles announced a year later and I was so hype and excited only to drop it after the first episode
For me chronicles was the fever dream
I could never tell if it was something i really watched on tv or my childish mind unconsciously discovered what a fanfic was and decided to create one with the power of imagination
The fact that there was so many inconsistencies infuriates me and the fact that the writers didn’t care infuriates me even more.
My fave scene in the entire show is when they break the 4th wall. Its one of the times master Fung says "Its 1000 years of darkness" and Remundo is like "oh where have we heard that before?" "Oh thats right *looks at camera "last time on Xiaolin Showdown". And everyone gave a thumbs up to the camera. It was hilarious
I remember another good one in the episode when the dragon Dojo became evil.
Master Fung: It has already begun, a 1000 years of darkness.
Kimiko: Why 1000?
Master Fung: It’s really 962 years but 1000 sounds more ominous.
@@brandonlyon730 lmao!! I remember that 😂
Or that time dojo hid behind the border frames
@@nellewoodruff6337 Yoo I loved that!! 😂
My favourite character was Clay as a kid and like you said, he got next to no development but as a kid I just liked that the big guy was the most kindhearted one~
When I rewatched the show with my friends in Uni (we felt nostalgic) Jack became my instant favourite and I can appreciate Chase Young not being an ‘emo’ despite his design and actually being a very calm and composed everlord. We watched one episode of Chronicles and dropped it, unanimously agreeing to not pick it back up XD
Now I get to see how it played out without having to go through the pain of watching it myself, thanks VG for taking one for the team
That show was terrible. They did Chase Young dirty in that show.
He did stand up to his dad in one episode tho
@@angelmunoz34 Please don’t get me wrong, Clay definitely had some moments when it comes to development but compared to Rai, Omi or even Kimiko he didn’t get much and I honestly think this worked in his favour, he was a great character to begin with so why bother changing that just for the sake of it?
I see you like bad guys, I found a fan comic on tumblr a while back that reverted back to the original style. Tumblr is a good hub to just browse for it
@@metallickandy Ooh, what’s this comic called please?
Ping pong having wood as an element made sense because of Chinese elements but yeah, still terrible
So is metal. Interestingly enough I heard somewhere that Jack Spicer was originally going to have a character arc to become good for real and become the Dragon of metal. But this idea eventually got scrapped to just keep him as a normal villain. I’m not sure if this was 100% true or was ever planned far into production but it be an interesting direction to go had the original show had more seasons.
Yes, wood is part of the Chinese elements. But wind is not.
@@schwarzerritter5724 I believe it's lightning over wind
@@techwizsmith7963 I Googled it it's water, fire, earth, wood, and metal but still a character who would be a dragon of lightning would be awesome tho
@@brandonlyon730
Interestingly, the Metal Dragon Jack idea seems to have never really been fully dropped with how much Jack became a frenemy and constantly teamed up with the Dragons against bigger threats (he was even the unironic MVP during Chase Yung's world takeover arc). It seems to be that the writers wanted that to always be an option in case they changed their minds later.
Alternate timeline!
In the original show, we saw three separate timelines. One where Kimiko took the lead, one where Clay was the de-facto leader, and then we ended on Raymundo becoming the leader of the group.
Chronicles isn't a continuation, its a completely different timeline where Omi has taken the leadership role.
Thus, it is a fairly faithful to the source material by filling out the missing quadrant.
hang on a second, i know this comment is 1 year old, but could you please tell the episode where it shows how kimiko took the lead? because i just done rewatching showdown and cant remember that
@@dumbvampire8530
Time After Time part 1
Omi freezes himself, essentially removing himself from the timeline and forcing the other monks to fight the forces of evil without him long into their elder years. Kimiko is the leader in this 'Old Timeline' in which Omi uses a shengong wu to go back in time, overshoots and accidentallies the past.
This creates the 'Farmer Monks Timeline', where the other element monks are essentially farmer slaves. In this timeline, Clay takes the lead.
Then Omi unites with the farmer monks and manages to recombine the timelines back into the original timeline by touching his frozen past self, collapsing the timelines into a paradox that resolves itself. The original timeline restored with all of their memories jammed into their original bodies, Raimundo becomes the leader in the last minute of screentime of the series.
I can't remember where the split is, but this happens over the course of two episodes. Time After Time part 1 and Time After Time part 2.
@@dumbvampire8530In the two part finale Kimiko was the leader in the no Omi future and then Clay in the Good Chase present.
The most mindblowing thing has to be the series CREATOR was still involved in this continuation. So why is it so different?
Rebecca Sugar was involved.
It should be noted that oftentimes, a board of writers exists to help the creator not go overboard with his/her ideas, reeling back dumb ones and keeping in check the good ones. The prime examples of a creator having too much freedom for their own good are the later Rugrats reasons, Star Wars prequel movies, Legend of Korra post-volume-one coming off Avatar the Last Airbender, and post-main-series Harry Potter. Everyone, no matter how good of a writer, messes up and thus needs people with good criticism ready to reel those screwups back.
@@joshuakim5240 I respectfully disagree regarding the Star Wars prequels. They were an excellent set up in how the Empire actually formed, as well as showcasing Anakinbeing a child soldier who was manipulated into becoming Darth Vader. Honestly, the only weak aspect of the prequels was the dialogue at times and the overuse of Jar Jar Binks.
@@jaspertheultimatequartz2102
I meant the directing, dialogue, and characterization aspects, not the actual plot. The Star Wars prequels on paper is a fantastic story, but on screen it ended up being weirdly clunky, awkward, and silly in unintentional ways (i bet George Lucas never intended for Palpatine's entire script to be a meme gold mine). A board of writers helps to cut away the unnecessary, weird, and unfitting parts of the presentation to focus on the best stuff. The Star Wars prequels could have been the best of both worlds (writing and presentation), if some stuff was reeled back with quality control.
@@joshuakim5240 Oh, I agree 100%. I think Ian McDiarmid's hammy performance was awesome, and you're right, it was an unintentional meme goldmine
This show really gave us Mpreg and Ping Pong...
Also vore right? Like the dragon ate people at one point I’m pretty sure
@baldigamerfanboy890 There's an episode where Chase Young lays an egg. Not seen it so I don't know what the justification is.
@baldigamerfanboy890
Chase is Shadow's father. There was like a episode where he acted pregnant and laid an egg.
@baldigamerfanboy890
Yup. He's her dad. We don't know why Chase acted like that... It's hella creepy.
They also gave us a tiger shrimp with reality altering powers, they changed Good Jack into a chaotic good cult leader with the power of persuasion to turn the bad guys & Dojo into his loyal followers, and they retconned Tubbimura’s dog Muffin Face so it could talk & was fully sentient
I have a theory that Dojo's colors were changed because Disney xd thought he looked too similar to Reyquaza. I remember having the Dojo toy and none my friends who didn't watch the cw all thought it was Reyquaza.
Interesting theory!
Rayquaza*
I don’t think it was a decision by Disney but more of the creators. Disney only had rights for the distribution
@@letzgopedro6449 if not disney then maybe somebody who worked on the show then
It was because of licensing, Warner Bro's still owned rights to a lot of stuff relating to "Xiaolin Showdown" at that time (especially the name of the Wu's) and since they didn't have any involvement in the production so the producers needed to do changes, which involves changing Dojo's color and changing the Wu names, so they can still do "Xiaolin Chronicles"
Lego Monkie Kid feels like a proper successor to Xiaolin Showdown than Chronicles ever did.
What's even more bizarre is that Christy Hui, who created the original show was much more involved in the writing process in this one, yet couldn't even remember said develoment of her own characters. Other writers from the original show like Mark Zaslove and Stephen Sustarsic were also involved in this one and again, seem to completely miss the point in this one. I dunno if there was even executive meddling involved since this seems like it was an independent production with Warner only doing the distribution in this.
Taken from a 2015 news letter from the creator herself:
Dear Xiaolin Dragonites,
As you know XC premiered on Netflix July 1st! And thanks to all of your support, XC ranks amongst the TOP kids’ shows on Netflix!
What thrilling news for all of us-particularly if you knew the road we took to get here. I was also told that there is potential for Xiaolin to be a Netflix Original, if our viewing performance keeps growing stronger! This is a watershed moment, as our three years of hard work finally materialized in such a way that I would’ve never imagined. So I’d like to take this moment to reflect on our XC journey, and share with you what’s to come. And along the way, I will address some of your comments and questions.
I received many fan emails expressing how Xiaolin Showdown inspired and influenced some of you during your childhood. And how you love that Xiaolin has returned! I am touched by your support and love for XS and XC! However, some of you also complained about certain parts of XC. It’s not Xiaolin Showdown. There were many WHYs: “Why is Dojo yellow?”; “Why do the SGW have new names?”; “Why do some characters act a certain way?”, etc.
For starters, XS was produced by WB in the U.S. by an English speaking crew. XC was produced as an international independent show by a non-English speaking crew. Having lived through this international coproduction experience, I realized that one simply cannot, and should not, compare an major U.S. studio production with an international independent production. It’s like comparing two siblings who are separated at birth and raised in two different countries and asking why one turned out to be taller/ smarter / darker than the other, even though they share the same heritage. Let me paint an overall picture for you of the XC production-
THE XC EXPERIENCE
FLASHBACK: WB bought Xiaolin Showdown back in 2002. Despite its success, WB decided not to produce any more shows after the first 52 episodes. XS was done and locked up. But I felt there were many stories left untold, and more importantly, fans wanted more! So after some hard work and a very long wait, I was lucky enough to get the rights reverted back. This, however, came with certain creative constraints. Nonetheless, I was simply so overjoyed by the idea of bringing back the show that these constraints didn’t faze me. We are creative and we’ll find a way. There’s always workarounds-a manifestation of the eternally positive soul that I am. Consequently, many of your WHYs were due to this reason: Dojo turned yellow; some old SGW had new names, etc.
Once outside the US major studio system, international co-pro is the way to go as it offers more opportunity. France and Canada provide robust subsidy programs for animation, and we were able to strike a deal with a French studio to finance the production. This meant that we had to operate within certain rules, regulations, and quotas to make the show. Nevertheless I was Excited! Let’s press the metal to the pedal! (Omism). However, I soon discovered that things worked very differently in an international co-production. In short, we have different languages, different processes and procedures, and a different management philosophy all together! We learned a lot from each other, but we also had our fair share of challenges.
The language gap made things more difficult than I could ever imagine. Turned out the different cultures and languages impacted us on a much deeper level-our sense and sensibility. This gave rise to differences in the way we interpret and tell stories, what we considered funny, different character reactions and expressions, pacing, timing, different nuances, etc. On XC, each English script had to be translated into French first, and this French version of the script filtered down to each layer of production such as design, storyboard, etc. Remember the movie “Lost in Translation”? Truly. You get the picture.
Despite all the challenges, the XC team pulled together and powered through it all. We drew strength from our Xiaolin characters. Remember Omi’s line in E3 “Not on my watch!” as Chase destroys the temple? We used this line to motivate each other when things got tough. I remember repeating the mantra “YES WE CAN” to myself every morning before getting out of bed. This became Jack’s running gag as he holds up a CAN with an EYE symbol to motivate his cohorts to do his evil bidding in E3. Well, there’s a reason we work in cartoons, folks! Positive thinking gets you far!
She goes on to talk about things fans can do to help them get a Netflix original series, and getting fans to petition for the original to be put on Netflix so they can show WB there’s interest in the show. Asking if fans would support a kickstarter, comics, etc. before ending off with this:
BACK TO XIAOLIN SHOWDOWN ROOTS!
The NEW Xiaolin will follow the original tradition of XIAOLIN SHOWDOWN. We’ll go deeper into the mythology and ancient China where all things started. See the older generation when they were young like young Grand Master Dashi, young Dojo, young Master Fung, young Chase, and Master Guan and let’s not forget Wuya in her prime! (uh oh, watch out!) The legend of the Shen Gong Wu (cool names ensured!). All these stories and familiar characters will return. New good/bad guys will be introduced.
So there’s your answer
Man, it was this show and Hero 108 that really hit my nostalgia buttons. I remember having recordings on recordings on my old family dvr, and getting mad at my parents whenever one was deleted lmao
Thanks for the memories
YES! I remember that show. Vaguely. I thought the girl with the hat was cool.
I remember Hero 108. The style was pleasant and the characters were interesting. Definitely some "back when I was in school" nostalgia.
@@RadioOppy1 that was sonia enigma wasnt it? i always liked mighty ray for some reason aka the guy that was able to shoot thunders with his eyeballs
@@Ethonra I remember that show like it was Yesterday. I ended up re watching every single Episode too!
I've been waiting for someone to talk about this series. I'd say it was less overall bad, but more like there were so many little things that piled up to make viewing Chronicles infuriating.
Not just infuriating, unwatchable. They clearly tried to tread the same ground as the originals (replacing siblings for clay and kimiko), but making everything so much more fantastical without any real impact that it helped weaken the entire framework of the show.
@@juliantapia1407 There was one thing I thought had potential though. It was shown in one episode that the changing chopsticks were a shen gong wu made by a sentient tree. I personally think that the wu being made by powerful warriors and creatures, basically being powerful commision pieces could have been a novel concept and retcon. But being a one episode idea did kind of bog it down.
@@adventarchivist5789 that definitely did have potential. It wasn't feasible that dashi made or solely conceived of all shen gong wu by himself, not to mention the mechanics of them (the ruby of Ramses, monarch wings, and sapphire dragon come to mind).
I kinda figured it might have also been some kind of warehouse 13/Friday the 13th series shenanigans too, where certain items could develop or retain some form of energy on their own
@@juliantapia1407 Yep, one of the few gold nuggets of potential this show had. To think they pissed away all the potential by giving us an abomination of a show that couldn't decide if it was a sequel or a reboot. When I watched this show at the tail end of 2019 I felt the writers were either indecisive or confused.
I dropped the show after the first episode pretty much for this reason. It felt like there were a ton of stupid, dumb things that they were doing that piled up and up, all in one episode, and made it unwatchable. Omi 2.0, the weird 3D Showdowns, the fact that it was acting like it was a sequel while it was clearly rebooting a ton of things, all of the changes that felt completely asinine. I'm just glad I didn't get to see them ruin Chase. He was one of my favorites from the original.
Brother for years of a saying they should have had Jermaine as a main character towards the end of the series when they added in ping pong it was literally a slap in the face
What bugged me was that not only did we not see any wood manipulation from ping pong, they never revealed the name of his elemental Shen gong wu which was only shown in the opening.
In short: Chronicles sucked!
Some of the episodes weren't even debut in order!
They did Chase so dirty. He went from one of the most badass characters to...Jack part 2.
Xiaolin Showdown was amazing. In middle school waiting for the bus me and my buddy would play “name the most shen gong wu“ and go back and forth naming different ones. Whoever got stuck and couldn’t name one lost.
I use to do this with my friends and family who watched the show back in the 2000s.
It's irritating that this reboot (or sequel or whatever it is) keeps ripping off ideas from the first show and their original ideas weren't that great
All our favorites are doomed to be dragged through the mud.
صح
That’s not always true
i would say Xiaolin chronicles feels more like a reboot than a real sequel and felt less of a true carry on much like Ozzy and drix with it film or Batman and Harley quinn and Justice league vs fatal five with the DCAU as it should be left alone
It is a reboot. It can't be a sequel.
@Dylan Sharp Neither of our comments sound like broken english. The og post just needs to add punctuation to fix their run on sentence.
Ozzy and Drix show was a sequel though, just set in another body, because they got sucked up by a mosquito.
But "Batman and Harley Quinn" & "Justice League vs The Fatal Five" aren't reboots, they're a part of the DCAU.
As a reboot this series also fails because it mentions stuff from the previous series. I distinctly remember in one episode of Xiaolin Chronicles that Dojo mentioned he once used an itch ointment while in Russia. Unless you watched the original series, Dojo's comment could be brushed off as something random he once did. I not only hated the poor writing, but also the fact this show was an unwanted "soft" reboot of a beloved series. They either should have given us a true follow-up or they could have made hard reboot and not mention anything from the original series. The fact they referenced stuff from the original series makes it even harder to get into because now you also introduce gaping plot holes.
One thing I always found weird is that they pushed this weird connection with Shadow and Kimiko. In one episode, Shadow tells Kimiko as a cat, that they will have a "special connection" one day and that she would be able to read her mind, I believe she said similar things in a Showdown as well.
But yeah, I agree about everything said about this. Chase got butchered and terribly rewritten. Ping Pong wasn't a good addition and Raimundo got disrespected heavily. I do like they gave Kimiko character growth, because her character ended up lacking it, when the show focused on Omi a lot, than gave Raimundo more character growth, I just felt like Clay and Kimiko didn't get much of anything. Also Tara's Omi voice was changed for the show, she probably had to do it, because Ping Pong sounded too similar.
This show was an insult to the original show. The people who made Chronicles clearly did not care about Showdown or the fans and just wanted to cash in on the name.
Chronicles really could've been something but it's just a confused mess with no true identity.
it's a show that just never should of been messed with because honestly with shows and bringing them back i could usually think of how i would do it, but this show i can't
I'm still pissed that they were building up Kimiko to being the most important character by the end of the series like they did with Raymundo in the first series but like NOPE! Omi has to be the main protagonist instead. Especially since he is much more of a jackass in this series. I liked him at first until his more sexist side started to show and would constantly bully/belittle Raymundo.
Even worse, Clay and Raimundo had like, no personality in this series and were almost never relevant. They also took away all of Omi's good traits and only focused on his negative ones making him unlikeable, and same can be be said abou Dojo. Chase was turned into a joke, Jack wasn't funny anymore, they ruined what made the showdowns special by animating them in ugly CGI that makes Reboot look like Avatar, the comedy was so bad it made you feel like you're watching a preschool show, and to top it all off, they made almost a minute long reference to Gangnam Style. This is what happens when a bunch of people who worked on the original get replaced with new ones. Literally the only thing they did right was making Kimiko more relevant.
Also the weird relationship between Chase and Shadow. It was oddly sexual but he made her, so technically he is her father.
@@BBBB-tn1ro remember, they went to disney to do this WB made sure they couldn't use half of the material and you know, i wouldn't mind someone today re-do the sequel into something better
This reboot is just trash should have been a thing in my appeine
I mean I don't mind Omi being the main character. I just wished they didn't make him such an arrogant prick. You'd think that after the original series, Omi would have actually matured and learned to swallow his pride every now and then, but it's like all the character development he got in the original series doesn't even exist here. In fact, his arrogant attitude only got worse and his good and more likeable traits are almost nonexistent in this series. And it's sad because I actually like Omi. As arrogant as he was in the original series, he still had a good heart and genuine wants to help his friends and be by their side
Wood is one of the five Chinese elements though, and usually represents wind - trees produce air and all, but it also represents life and growth. The other four are fire, water, earth, and metal. Having a wind user and a wood user on the same team does really mess with dynamic though. Either respect the 5 core Chinese elements or don't, don't try to have your cake and eat it too, Pingpong.
I also got confused when they have a fifth element that didn't fit on the source of the elemental lore. Classic elements are only water, fire, air/wind, and earth. And as mentioned, the Chinese elements are a bit different than the Classic elements. It would have been better if they just stuck with the original for continuity
@@7swordquanta459Agreed, granted Jack was suppose to be the dragon of metal n might've happened if Showdown got another season
How Chronicles could've been better.
1. Replace Ping Pong with Jermaine. Don't think a single fan dislikes Jermaine, and he was teased as being a future Xiaolin Warrior. Just go all the way.
2. Keep Raimundo as leader, least to begin with. Raimundo's character arc was the best part of the original Xiaolin Showdown and to see it just brushed under the rug with off screen promotions was disappointing.
3. Either just buy the goddamn name rights to the Shen Gong Wu from WB or make new Wu. Randomly changing their names pleases nobody and only makes it needlessly confusing.
4. Tweak Willow. Don't have her constantly flirt with her figurative "father" all the time and actually develop the "wanting to make my own name" villain path. Introducing her as a false new student for a few episodes to make the reveal sting the heroes more. Potential wasted more than anything.
5. Make Omi less of a jerk.
I remember being excited for a sequel series then immediately losing interest after the first few episodes. I feel like they should have made it like what Korra was to Avatar: have it be set in the future with new characters with some relation to the old ones, that way, they could have worked around the change of names/characters while dropping references to fans of the original. Instead, we got what felt like one of those “fan seasons” with an actual budget.
Not to be antagonistic, but Legend of Korra is still a bad example of a sequel to The Last Airbender.
@@D-Havoc Though in the autopsy of Korra, the best way I've heard to describe it is the Nick execs doing lines of coke and jerking the writers around, having them make changes AFTER writing out the story to stretch it out and THEN coming back later telling them to wrap it up, you can see what the writers were going for but meddling resulted in at best shaky execution of the finished products.
@@D-Havoc You kidding Korra was a good sequal. Just adult Aung would have gotten played out after a few episodes his story arc was done. It was a good idea to set it in the future.
@@gwell2118 the fact that u misspelled Aang name even after editing your comment just shows how much of a korra stan you are
@@Josh-hh4kp I missed it sue me. I am not a Korra stan. I watch all of the Last Avatar, but his storyline reached a satisfying and natural conclusion. We don't need to drag out Aang's story endlessly for no reason.
And the fact that you instantly assumed i was bashing ATLA and tried to troll me over it just shows how much of a triggered bitch you are.
Yes! The original show was so good and when i saw the sequel i was SO disappointed and i just lost interest in the series :(
Same, i loved the original series so much and when i first watched the sequel i just couldn't believe how bad it was.
I used to love the old show as a kid. I remember back in England when I was just a baby, playing with my four siblings going, “Xiaolin Showdown!!” And we would all face off in some weird task. From the floor is lava to other odd face offs etc etc...
I loved that show so much when little
Imagine having a perfectly legit possibility at representation with Jermaine and going for a literal copy of an old character.
Corporation are just stupid.
They didn’t have the rights to the character
God this sequel was a train wreck. I remember being so hyped for it and upon seeing the first episode, only for me to immediately drop it after seeing said episode.
*Also! Wood is actually an element!* Most people know of the Classical Greek elements of air, earth, fire, and water. However in Chinese culture and alchemy, they had the five elements of Earth, Fire, Metal, Water, and Wood. If you want more information, I highly recommend giving its respective Wikipedia page. It’s a rather interesting read, especially with how the elements had a sort of Rock Paper Scissors dynamic.
The I’d rather have Jermaine as the 5th dragon of lightning
The addition of wood as an element was the only good thing in that remake.
That's not completely true, as there are some tales where it's those 5, and some that have Air instead of Metal (since Metal comes from Earth,) but I think it might be one of those differed by region/preference.
Well if that's true than it's not that cuz hello they use air
@@marlom7882 me to they should have add Jermaine as the new member or add a anthor girl character to make the group more even give kimiko a female friend but no instead we got ping pong who a rip off of omi and is boring character
I remember watching one episode. One. Chayse young gave birth and was a sobbing mess...
Excuse me.... what?!
That episode was fetish fuel straight up. Who would write that episode with a serious face and sane mind? Bruh.
@@gamefan6219 yes. He gave birth to an egg and was clucking like a chicken...I'm not kidding look it up
@@RozettaVyper they probably did it as a joke and in the end was taken seriously. Which tbh that would be hilarious
@@sierralovat5498 Maybe you're right but they used Jack in it to "impregnate" Chase. I know from the fanbase, there are a lot of Jack x Chase fangirls. If that doesn't sound like the episode was made to fetish and pander...Just no.
All this time, I never knew this existed.
I miss those days.
I'm just finding out about it and it looks like it got the dreaded reboot treatment.
Xiaolin Showdown = best childhood
Xiaolin Chronicle's = best letdown
Video title: "Xiaolin Showdown's TERRIBLE Sequel: Xiaolin Chronicles"
Inside my head: "Wait! They made a sequel?!"
I remember watching Showling Showdown when I was a kid, and by the time Chronicles aired I had forgotten all about Showdown. But when I watched Chronicles, I just knew that this was not the same cartoon I watched as a kid.
I have tried to watch Chronicles twice, the first time I heard Ping-Pong and stopped. We don't need two Omis.
Second time I was tryin to power through it, got to see Chase (who was my favourite character in Showdown) aaaand I'm never trying to watch it again from how dirty they did him.
Regardless, Xiaolin Showdown was my favourite show as a child, and as an adult I'm convinced it'll stick with me for my entire life.
Xiaolin Showdown has one of my favorite series endings of all time. I watched it when it premiered and it blew my mind. At the time, I didn't even know the show was ending, I just thought it was another episode with Omi going on a solo adventure. It does get some really big details wrong, but man was it intense and fun.
I haven't even watched this follow-up show...
...and I'm glad I haven't! As someone growing up in the 2000's, the original Xiaolin Showdown ended on a satisfying enough note, with Omi finishing his time-travelling quest and Raimundo becoming the Shoku Warrior!
I don't really think that show really warranted a continuation! Just like Gravity Falls was written wisely to conclude on a heart-warming note!
I loved the old Xiaolin Showdown
Ping Pong was my favorite character in the series. He's basically Omi without the ego, but I loved his energy and his interactions with Omi. I think it would have made sense if they made Ping Pong Omi's long lost family.
Man I’m honestly surprised people still remember that series
So we're not gonna talk about how Wuya went from ambiguously brown to white? Dojo got his turn. I really wanna know why Wuya's skin changed as well. Was it to fit the Chinese ethnicity thing? Maybe but Wuya doesn't have to be pale to be Chinese. Considering she's from ancient times, she could've been mixed race or traveled from another part of Aisa to China.
Doesn’t apply, she’s not human
@@cypher7031 We don't know what Wuya is. The show never gave her a background, other than she's a witch. A witch in any culture can be a human or a demon or a human that turned into a demon. I think in Chinese lore (I know in Japanese lore), all witches were humans once.
@@RozettaVyper good point. Just assumed because of her ears.
I can't believe out of all the issues with the reboot, your biggest is Wuya (who is Chinese either way) being paler. How many people with Omi's yellow skin tone have you met?
I posted this comment 2 years ago. You have no recent comments to reply to? This is just as important as the terrible reboot's writing. Changing a character's design such as skin color, without any in-story explanation is an issue. It shows that with the writing, someone also wanted to alter the characters drastically; altering Wuya's skin probably to fit with the woke crowd's "dark skin can't be villains!" moto, altering Chase's backstory to fit all the Gen Z idiots who love to hear about romantic betrayals, introducing two characters, one that is literally a fangirl's creation for Chase and the other, just a french carbon copy of Omi. All of this shows that whoever directed (not the creator) wanted to pander and cash grab as much as possible. Does that please you now? Good.@@Stevenbfg
I would want to see Xiaolin getting Samurai Jack treatment :)
Nice Retrospective. I remember someone did a video where they suggested that Chronicles was the previously unseen timeline from the finale where Omi got picked as leader.😄
I remember how after binging through whole first series, I imidietly gave this one a shot and how this awful 3D CG Showdowns were awful, I just gave up.
WOOD!!!
Honestly this reboot was a joke, I didn’t even realise it was a sequel until years later because the characters had regressed
It's not a sequel at all.
@@buster3041 it is sadly
Reminds me of what happened between Pokémon diamond and pearl to black n white
@@bravefencermusashi4826 yeah, it’s really jarring, it was a sequel but also a soft reboot. It’s kinda like both. Same could be said for dragon ball Z to Dragon Ball GT, it was a sequel but a few things were changed here and there, that and it wasn’t well received by fans
@@Galvis76 well actually in the sub version of gt 5 years have passed but the dubbed says 10 and now a days many fans actually consider Dragon Ball GT as a what if Beerus never woke up.
I only watched the first episode I just remember seeing disappointment after disappointment, which is such a shame because I loved the original as a kid. Man and Jack Spicer's voice is like Handsome Jack's voice from the borderland series in that there is only 1 man for the job
Let's all just agree it ended in Showdown and pretend Chronicles never existed
You hit the nail on the head my friend! This show had so much potential!
It's so interesting to me how so many cartoons start on Kids WB, but people remember them from Cartoon Network.
i love xiaolin showdown and i agree its sequel was bad reymondo was my favorite
This show is just a big _"bruh"_ moment.
You can summarize it by simply saying _"cringe"._
I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS CARTOON EVERYWHERE THANK YOU
Nostalgia fest at my house
That moment when I didn't even know Shaolin Showdown HAD a sequel.
Xiaolin Showdown was part of my childhood, I remember watching it over and over, and drawing my own ideas for Shen Gong Wus and having fun on what they could do (like, how come we never had a mind-swapping Wu? thats a CLASSIC)
Today I learned this show even got a sequel series! Interesting video, thanks!
Instead of a sequel why didn't they just continue with the original and add seasons
Warner just never renewed the show for new seasons at the time :(
It's not a sequel
@@vgmarkis Warner sux
When I first saw they were gonna make a ‘sequel’ and that sequel was Xiaolin Chronicles, I knew it was a prank and never existed 🙃
I wish they make a sequel about what happend after raimundo becomes leader
I was so excited for this show to happen. Xiaolin Showdown was my jam, but I was just super disappointed with Chronicles.
Man when CN was in its prime airing any show that brought good content for ppl to keep watching im so glad i grew up in 2000s out of all the shows i watched as a kid i dont remember their ever being a bas show that i watched i loved them all
When i first watch Chronicles, it felt like a reboot. It also started out good to eventually felt weird, unlike Showdown. BTW favorite character are still Kimiko and Jack Spicer. Kimiko felt rush, while Jack was turn really funny to 'try to hard to be funny'. Those are my thoughts, good Video, Markis.
tbh forgot this show existed but ty now for a new show to binge watch
This is the first time I've found a UA-cam video that really expresses how great Xiaolin Showdown is. I was the weird kid and felt so alone being obsessed with this show, but I didn't care because it was just so good. I plan on getting tattoos of Jack and Kim one day, shoot I might just do the whole gang! It makes me so happy knowing other people appreciated this show.
This just reminds me of teen titans go! And that absolute.... sigh
ok, I wouldn't go THAT far. I mean, it *is* bad, horrible even, but not *THAT* bad
Yeah come on lol. It’s bad but it’s pretty good if you’re going to compare it to TTG lol. I’d rather watch this in a heartbeat
@@Ultimodestructico and where Chronicles had the decency to end, TTG is still going....and going....and going
@@floricel_112 yeah I hated teen titans go it's so annyoing pulse the characters are jerks to eacth other unlike the orginal teen titans when they actually acted like a team
How and why do Warner Bros. own the rights to the names of mystical items that exist in a cartoon without owning the cartoon?!?!
It's like Sony owning the rights to the name Tingle without having the rights to The Legend of Zelda.
It's weird that I never knew about this sequel. Also I enjoyed the video. You should make more just overviews of old shows.
Rai was my favorite character in the OG show, primarily due to the development and growth he had throughout the series. I was really excited to see how the new show might explore how he struggles and adapts to the position of team leader. I’ll always be sore about how they basically threw that away, along with practically everything else that made the show entertaining and intriguing.
And he is a weaboo towards Kimiko Tohomiko.
Raimundo is my favorite character to I hated him at first but after season one he become my favorite character and I hate how chronicles mad him no longer the leader it's stupid they ruined his character development he got in season 1
I remember seeing ads for the sequel series and then never seeing anything from it again .
Xiaolin Showdown helped me find such wonderful friends that really helped me out when I was my lowest. I'll always have a place in me heart for this show as it brought me to find such amazing people. As for XC... Yeah... when XC first aired, it was very hard to watch it. I couldn't even finished back then it was so bad. So much of what the first show good had just... disappeared when this spin off aired. This was so bad that I wrote a fanfic that reset it back to the end of XS to give it another chance, just to make sure that XC didn't have to happen, but still had it tie in to have those who liked XC. And I made sure that the fanfic story worked and fix this... spinoff.
Random comment, but I watched Xiaolin Showdown when it was first airing on those big CRT TVs, and when I watched it again online with a higher picture quality I thought they made a mistake and colored Kimiko's legs two different colors, and only later realized she's wearing knee length leggings 😂 Its much more noticable during nighttime scenes, but I guess the crappy picture quality on old TVs made it not noticable enough for me to realize she was just always drawn and colored like that.
That's why I was so confused about this show.
Because they acted like it wasn't a continuation because of the renaming of everything.
If they rebooted it one more time they could have made it so that there's a Shen Gong Wu from the original series that split dimensions so shalin Chronicles and shalin showdown are actually two different shows.
That's the only way I can think of that can fix it.
AND they could probably do some really cool crossover doing that too!!
A few years ago I went back through Xiaolin Showdown as a nostalgia trip. It was well worth it, but I was reminded of that cliffhanger-esque ending, I'd love to see a sequel series get picked up by like, Adult Swim or something. Keep the adult content like swears, alcohol usage, etc. to a minimum, but maybe bring the story in a darker, more mature direction. I feel like with the dark vibes the original series had going on, it would be right at home doing that. Keep in the comic relief to keep it balanced out though, that's an absolute must. If it takes itself TOO seriously it would end up flopping for sure.
I would be so happy if the show gets continued like Samurai Jack did
sometimes I'd wished Xiaolin Showdown had it's own Complete Series DVD or Blu-Ray set
Been slowly remembering showlin showdown as of late- watching random clips and being like 'Oooooh yeah! I remember this!'
Just learnt about Xiaolin Chronicles from this video. Honestly, sequels are hard to do- it's super hard to capture the same energy of a show. It kinda sounds like the writers for this one skimmed over the original...
And who on earth approved of Ping Pong? I can only think of a CEO rubbing their hands and thinking of doubling toy sales with the same character XD
Additionally, didn't know about that Canadian law... seems kinda crazy in an online world
It's hard to think Chronicles would flop so bad with the jist of Showdown when the brain of Showdown Christine Hui was here too, it's even worse when aside of copyright her creative control wasn't impacted whatsoever, she should have been able to direct the series so much better than where it ended up here. She did point out communication between different countries did effect the series, but in the writing process that isn't excusable when she had one of the Showdown writers return alongside a handful of experienced writers.
I never watch Xiaolin Showdown on Cartoon Network,but watch the Indonesian Dub on Channel TV7. It was total pain watching cartoon on TV7. They always show cartoon at 3 Am - 6 AM. That's why I always woke up on Sunday at 4 AM.
Good times.
I remember this sequel when first aired on CN when i was a kid, i watched a few episodes but i ended up disliking it and i stopped watching, it was very terrible, awkward and confusing, and i remember that i didn't knew if it was an actual sequel or a reboot because there was nothing related to the original series, what is more confusing is that they were gathering Shen Gong Wu that they already knew about it before but they act like they had no idea what they are, even though it was a sequel and everything.
What is strange is that the creator of this abomination is the same creator of the original series so i have no idea why she decided to ruin such an amazing cartoon with this sequel or reboot or what the hell this was, probably she wanted to make it more family friendly and attract young audience but it failed terribly bad.
I loved XS and was gutted when it ended. This show was a literal definition of ‘Be careful what you wish for’.
My headcanon is that Chronicles is in a different universe as the Shengong Wu are named differently, Wuya was sealed differently as the first episode claims Dashi sealed her in a spring first then a box and Dojo being Yellow instead of Green
Thank you I've been looking for this qnime for 4-6 years since I saw it couldn't remember its nane wanted to watch it again SO THANK YOU