@@chad_8313 I can configure all of my hardware, I can play all of my games (unless I want to play turbo trash with invasive 3rd party software) and I can watch anything I want at any resolution.
@@chad_8313i get that. i have not many problems with logitech 203, maybe try that. this is however not a linux problem, it's typically a hardware manufacturer problem
My only personal machine that uses W11 is my gaming pc and honestly I'm thinking of just switching to linux with it instead. Because literally all I use it for is launching steam, if I can do that and also set a power cap on my GPU then I'd gladly switch. Although laziness stops me for the moment
@@siz1700 People will hate me for this but I personally like rounded corners and the win11 ui in general. And that's all I like about it. Nothing justifies the spyware in the system
I think the problem is a little overblown. Software projects are composed of people, and when those people have problems and disagreements these issues occur. Just stay calm and carry on, the software isn't going anywhere.
Same lmao, I've been wanting to test this distro for the past 2y and then 3d ago I finally installed it. Tbh I've been having only problems with some packages being unmaintained on the nixos repo, but that's about it.
As someone that's used Windows since Win 97 through to Win 10 (Begrudgingly) .... Win 11 was reason I transitioned my brand new laptop to Linux Mint. The sole reason being I was NOT allowed to even set up a local account cause the computer detected that there were wifi (that I had no access to) that I said to heck with it. Honestly mint does what I need it to do (Purely emails, youtube, and light gaming)
I use Windows 11 with a local account. You just need to do the simplest of research. It wasn't hard or complicated to do. Sorry you failed at basic computer tasks. Wait until you find out Linux issues will require a lot more research.
@@riseabove3082not really. There's just less resources for issues, and you have to learn more about Linux. Solving problems on windows is just as involved if you had little knowledge about windows before hand.
@@riseabove3082 I've been a Linux user for a while. I had to setup Windows 11 for a friend. I can confidently say I hadn't been in that much mental stress fixing a computer issue since at least 10 years ago. It took me literal HOURS. It was hell. Then he had some issues with the hardware : some kind of mixing issue resulting in occasional blurry audio, and something probably wrong with the WiFi driver resulting in loss of connection for hours at a time... I've spent hours looking up these issues, and I have no idea how to fix them. I have a Dell Inspiron too, not exactly the same, but I do experience both these issues as well... I just hadn't spent enough time on Windows to notice, since I just use it to build software. There might be more reasons why people are moving away from Windows 11 than just the ads. At the very least, Dell ships it wrong. The Inspiron line doesn't seem to work well with Windows 11.
It's a start, but it's far from over. The community-oriented governance is still under heavy discussion and the comments below the Eelco stepping down post is still full of all kinds of trolls having heated discussions about some of the wording of said post... I'm hoping these will eventually be sorted out..
@@ymstnt Free of speech doesn't mean free of hate speech. I think I will mute some people who provoke the problems become worse if I was the moderator.
Windows 11: I guess people don't like being spied on, having their systems turned into giant billboards, and having forced updates and O/S changes that are constantly breaking things and hiding things you want/need. You nailed it in your video Nick!
Re: Mint and the whole Adwaita kerfuffle - the problem with DEs that are built on GNOME technology (Cinnamon, Budgie, XFCE, Pantheon and essentially any popular DE other than KDE) is that they have conditioned their users to trust and rely on GTK apps for anything other than the basic DE stuff, but then their upstream just straight out deficated on them. If they want to survive - and not be like "we're not GNOME but best we can do is have a desktop where all the apps look like GNOME apps and behave terribly" (at which point users may well go and just use GNOME) - they have to change tack quickly and actively reject GNOME apps. Users should still be able to search and install specific things, but Mint cannot offer GNOME Calculator when searching for "calculator" or GNOME Builder when searching for "development environment". Continuing to do so will be a death knell for them.
How does this make sense? They don't even use nautilus, and the rest of the gnome apps they use look almost entirely like Gnome apps anyway. To argue newer Gnome apps are somehow worse than old ones and that they can't be customized is absurd to me, especially since Ubuntu proved it more than possible.
@@donkey7921 I don't think you know what your talking about - before libadwaita GTK apps would obey theming - if your Mint is green then apps will be green. Since about GNOME 40, GTK apps from gnome have stopped working well with system themes (for example I set the title dark with light text and main window light with dark text, and means most headerbar buttons are now miscolored). Since GNOME 44 the adwaita icon theme has been broken (missing most icons and those that do exist use non standard naming) but GNOME apps still expect that it is set as the system theme - otherwise they look terrible but with it everything else looks terrible. Mint (and others) tried to avoid these problems by shipping older apps that haven't been ported to GTK 4, but with GNOME continuing to migrate to GTK4 and adwaita, abandoning the old versions, Mint has to get fully on the bandwagon (and give up on doing things differently than GNOME) or drop out completely and stop shipping gnome software.
Then again, he basically just covered the important parts of Nicco's video in 1m50. He just didn't cover the drama part... and I think we can do without that, I didn't really care about the drama anyway.
@@richtigmann1 The Gnome project is a non-profit. If I recall correctly, they got a number of unusually large donations over the last couple of years. Non-profits are not allowed to operate at a profit. They are allowed to have a financial buffer in case of unforeseen expenses or if they do not get as many donations as usual. That buffer is usually monitored by a regulatory body and must not exceed a certain amount. If they get more money than they usually spend they have to operate at a deficit until they've spent all of their excess money. That is apparently what happened and Gnome has spent their excess money and now cut their spending to the amount they get through donations. If you want this explained better and in more details watch Niccos video.
I agree. A big selling point of the Linux desktop is that it offers way more customization than Windows' extremely barebones configuration. It would be disappointing to see more apps disrespect the user's customization choices and more distros removing these options.
So we're going backwards now. The FDO spec was the first real icon spec that was respected by all major DEs and gnome wants to go back to the old system? (Where every desktop had their own spec. Kde had icons that were literally called 2downarrow ...)
GNOME seemingly has an increasing habit of "doing its own thing" and ignoring specifications and certain use cases. First the wayland protocols, then removal of theming support and now this. GNOME devs: "How dare you want interoperability and use other applications that don't follow our dumbed-down, no-settings, no-features app doctrine?!". The project has become really pathetic.
Yesterday Users: hey we would like to see this in Gnome Gnome team: F-off Today Gnome team: hey you guys, so how are you all doing, so we have money issues and you are all great...
Trust me, Linux mint (and Ubuntu) only recently has gotten as good as it is. It used to be borderline unusable for the average user. I love Linux, but man…. A lot of massive improvements have happened
I've been using linux for about 25 years. Every few years I will try to get rid of windows on my home desktop and decide that linux isn't quite ready yet. This year was the year! With Mint everything "just works" the way windows is supposed to. (I liked PopOS! but it was just a bit too much of an alien.) Windows has been going downhill for a long time and 11 was just the last straw for me 👍
Out of curiosity I have checked the gnome forum thread about that icon theme problem. And I had no idea Gnome team had childish and arrogant blockheads for developers. The Kde guy seems to be the only mature one in that thread.
This has been the case for a long time and then they complain about the way the community treats them. There are some sensible people there though, if you look. Either way COSMIC can't come soon enough.
They’re beyond absurd. I cannot understand how the project has remained so popular with such adversarial, inconsiderate developers who couldn’t care less about anything “not gnome”.
I moved to W11 on my work laptop a couple of years ago. For all intents and purposes, it's just running a reskinned Windows Explorer with crippled customization. Seriously, it took as long to upgrade as any yearly major W10 update...not to mention that WSUS still sees it as W10. Despite my best efforts, my wife's XPS continued nagging to upgrade to W11, which she won't, so I finally disabled the TPM chip in it and it's finally shut up about it.
Exactly! I don't get why people hate Win11, but love Win10. For all intents and purposes it's the same OS. If you reskinned Win11 to look like Windows 10, most Win10 years couldn't tell they were in WIn11.
@@LePedant I believe a lot of comes from the fact that they shipped it way too early and people still believe that features from Windows 10 are missing (even though they ware reintegrated and are oftentimes way more sophisticated than before). I would not agree though that it is just a reskin of Windows 10, the amount of changes is massive (just take a look at the changelogs of the Windows Insider Blog). One questionable aspect could be the "software as a service" thing though
@@bwanatise I get that bad software launches suck. It's weird to me to hate software for how it used to be. There are huge changes. I was trying to say using the Win11 doesn't feel much different, than using Win10. I feel like if Win11's UI was exactly like Win10, people would see it as a massive update to Win10, not a new OS. Software as a service sucks. It's just Win11 is either a free upgrade, or comes a on PC with Win11 pre-installed. I'm not trying to say it's a good OS. Just that Win10 and Win11 have a very similar UX.
Regarding NixOS, the other side of the drama never seems to get traction nowadays. Some members (who are clearly of opposite political and social ideology) went through and compared the claims of the marginalized with what they've said in social media/private-but-available places, and the 'victims' of marginalization pretty clearly have some advanced intolerance on their side as well. But they're considered to be in the right in this social climate, so no one seems to think that them saying roughly the same things as what they accuse others of is a problem. Apparently hate isn't hate if you're a member of a marginalized group. I'm really, really tired of all of it. As a bisexual pagan from a poor inner city neighborhood with trans friends you'd think I'd be completely in support of the marginalized, but I'm mostly tired of people getting a pass for being terrible human beings regardless of what their opinions are. I miss the days when code was code.
CoCs are pretty much always vehicles for ideological activism by the same sorts who forced people to waste untold hours on changing master to main. And yeah, same experience. The vocal so-called anti-hate people are near invariably hideous individuals who post venomous shit with abandon since the targets are ok in their book.
I've seen a number of cases where spaces that more recently had become (or always were) spaces that were drivers for visible inclusion (sports, F/OSS, etc.) without being explicit advocates for it are now being torn apart because people are demanding that they become politicized, and if they don't, then they're ruthlessly attacked. It's my view that apolitical strength (just doing and being) is a truer form of strength than political strength, though I can appreciate the need for solidarity in many cases. Anyway what I'm saying is that in spaces where your cohorts ("labels") weren't really a factor, now you have to tow a party line, even if that's not why you joined an organization that's not really outright political. Specifically with regard to F/OSS, it really made me smile over the years to see people who found themselves marginalized in other circles become valued members of a community regardless of whether they were advocates for their cohort. I always took it as a sign that things were being done right that someone who was marginalized could show up and get things done without everyone having to go through great pains to make it work. It simply worked because people accepted each other. I don't know if I really have a complete thought here, but I just hope people can put aside their philosophical differences to keep NixOS going strong.
I would love an alt timeline where Windows 10 was really the last version of Windows. (I mean, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Fixing it would only make it worse.)
They should have made those changes inside of Windows 10 and then released a new version. Windows 10 was not a good system. I remember bugs after updates that have broken things like moving a file from file explorer into filezilla. For an enterprise product of a big company like MS, this is something I would not expect to happen and if so, it should be fixed immediately and not with the next big update 6 or 12 months later? I don't remember. Or imagine on KDE the sound configuration tool, it offers options I've missed so badly in Windows (or had to click several times to get there). I just remember, I bought Gears 4 in the windows store (special offer, long time ago). To change the in-game language to English, MS expected the user to change the system language.
14:30 While it's not mandatory, I think the point is that the Mint team wants a cohesive experience top to bottom for their users, which is a great goal. But yes, their wording was probably not the best.
I bought a Lenovo laptop with Windows preinstalled two days ago. I booted straight into Fedora live, checked everything worked properly (Wifi, Bluetooth, function keys) and proceeded to install it nuking Windows. Windows had solid versions back then (2000, xp, 7), but at this point i don't feel like putting up with preinstalled adware. Windows 11 is just 10 with a more up to date theme, some changes no one asked for and intrusive ads everywhere.
Don't fall in love with any OS - it's a tool. Use it like one. I like hammers because they are useful but I don't show my love for it. I use Windows 11, Windows 10, Fedora, and so on. I'm not in love with any of them. They are my tools to get things done.
What a stupid argument to make. as if "it's impossible to make human leather without commiting murder" would be a valid defense for murder. Of course this is blown out of proportion, but the argument is based on the same flaw
My whole point on this is just to ask "Can a human being train their artistic techniques without referencing copyrighted content?" Because I can't see a difference in _what_ is happening. There's no practical effect on the artwork itself in either case. The only difference is whether it's a human studying or a program, and all the supposed controversy comes from idiots who can't comprehend this or from people who somehow feel that the actor somehow has a bearing on the act (it doesn't).
@@trajectoryunown i think the sentience of humans makes a difference, i mean were irrational and random no algorhythms or anything. if computers and ai/llm were truly senitent then maybe they might have a case of AI are humanoid and therefore are entitled to copyright protections
@@trajectoryunown I think the biggest thing is that a person can be inspired by something. It can trigger something in your brain and it can exist without being a copy. AI can't actually do that. AI (or, more accurately, machine learning) doesn't KNOW anything. It doesn't know what an 'elephant'. It can guess based on what other people say an elephant is, but it has no ability itself to say know if what it's saying is actually true or not. As such, if you ask it to, say, write you a speech about something, all it can do is look for keywords in OTHER people's speeches and maybe attempt to change some based on a thesaurus. However, it doesn't know if what it's giving you is purely true or false. It doesn't care if it gave you whole paragraphs of plagiarized copy or verbatim someone else's given speech. A human looking at those sources could read them and get ideas and write their own speech. An AI can't do that.
@@WhiteG60 Do you know what an 'elephant' is? You only know what it is based on what others have told you and shown you. Unless you've done some novel deep research on what it is to be an elephant, how can you say you know what it is? As far as knowing truth from falsehoods, many people believe in gods (with varying descriptions - even amongst the same religion) - they all may believe they are telling the truth and so unable to distinguish 'true from false' (same argument applies for any subject - e.g. 'flat Earth'). Finally, LLMs are entirely able to rephrase various sources of information to produce novel explanations.
GNOME's team has been kinda hostile towards the rest of the Linux ecosystem for a long time now, acting as if they alone set the standards and everyone else must follow. It's not surprising other projects want to depend less on their products.
GTK was the Gimp Tool Kit. Somehow Gnome hijacked it and made it Gnome toolkit. I haven't been using DEs for a very long time. I used to use GTK and Gnome apps because they played nicely with other WMs. At some point, I had issues and tried Qt / KDE apps and found they worked better for me. In fact, I have gnome and gtk use flags masked for some time (Gentoo).
My initial experience with Linux was quite challenging, and I've been hesitant to make it my daily driver. However, as I continue to use it, I find myself growing fond of it. My biggest problem is still the lack of Polish, i dont have a single day without a problem i have to fix and its get really anoying. When i ever get my Audio problems sorted out, i will probably switch to Linux and only use Windows for Games i cant play on Linux (what right now is not a single one) And i think this will still be the Biggest problem why people will not stick with Linux, Stuff like that has to work or most People will go straight back to Windows and rather deal with Windows 11/12.
That's interesting - we may be lucky, but we've had no real problems in the last two years on three daily drivers. Might be because we're both retired and don't need our OS to do more than Email and internet access.
Laptops are infamously more finicky on Linux due to OEMs making or using very odd one off hardware that fits the layout but the drivers for that hardware are unavailable / only written for windows. The more popular linux gets the faster that problem just disappears. But it also hints that if you buy a very main stream laptop you'll have less issues.
3:00 I generally agree but the problem is that some organizations will enforce their coc and ban you from their platforms for behaviour that happened outside of their platforms and that's just stupid and counterproductive
CoCs are also pretty much always tools to enforce one brand of politics on the community, since anyone not toeing the line will inevitably get called "unsafe". There's never been a space that claims to welcome everyone as they are where that'd be true for me. Such declarations always mean "shut up, walk on eggshells from here on out." Inclusive, yeah right.
@@GarumOverdose Yeah. If a CoC is just: "Stay on topic and don't be an asshole" then that's perfectly fine but most often then not it's enforced unfairly and used to silence opionions the devs don't like
14:40 The problem is that it's not just Mint, but other non-GNOME GTK-based desktop environments are affected. While I don't mind if some of the software looks out of place, I prefer the "core" apps (file manager, archiver, disk utility, system settings, etc.) to be identical to the desktop itself when it comes to the theme. The more these apps gets shifted to GTK 4/libadwaita, the more these DEs will need an alternative. Glad the Mint team's stepping up. And who knows? Maybe they all team up (Cinnamon, MATE, Xfce, Budgie) and create their own "libadwaita" that doesn't sabotage other DEs.
They are right about the Adwaita theme it's quite ugly. Debian uses it as it's default and it's the first thing I change when I install Linux. Windows 11 is horrible and getting worse. Microsoft are now blocking Classic Shell and other start software. Which brings back the Windows 7 start menu in Windows 11. They are also blocking a lot of other software as well. I don't understand why users put up with this. I am just glad I am using Linux now and don't have to put up with all of that.
Mint should seriously think about building on top of COSMIC instead of GTK. It's being designed explicitly for that use case. KDE developers should have already known what the plan for GNOME's Adwaita ("One and Only") platform is. They don't care about open standards unless it suits them.
Can't wait to see COSMIC fully functional. I watched the recent video from the LinuxFest northwest. Been waiting for so long. This year would be cosmic!
Mint likes to be dated and to create more work for themselves for pointless reasons. I really don't understand them at this point. Work smarter not harder. Mint is always about working harder and harder. They will never see the light.
I got a 6 or 7 year old laptop. I used Ubuntu on it for 6 months and went to NixOS a few weeks ago... my battery life doubled, not kidding. It went from 3-4 hours to 7-8 hours browsing the internet, watching online videos like Rumble/UA-cam etc., no gaming obviously. Occasional programming. Ubuntu (23.10) was running Gnome, now I run Plasma 6 and I have no clue what it is specifically that made the battery life last so much longer but I am not complaining. I also LOVE the indestructible nature of NixOS, if something failed, just boot the last configuration and it works again. I just love it.
Well, I just this week had Win11 completely corrupt its main NTFS partition after an update. CHKDSK recognized it as RAW and gnome-disks recognized it as "Unknown". When I used an NTFS repair tool to try to repair it it made it be recognized as NTFS again, but neither CHKDSK nor the NTFS repair tool could fully repair the FS. testdisk only found one file on there, that being hiberfil.sys and when trying to use the undelete function of it it found a bunch of small files in "\Windowß\..." (Yes, with an Eszett for some reason) that amounted to 96MB. So I had to reinstall the OS. That was the only Win11 install I have and it's the one I must not delete because it's for school and all my user data is stored in OneDrive, so nothing got lost. At least the Linux install on the other SSD in the same laptop didn't get damaged!
@@riseabove3082 The whole laptop and all its components are barely one year old. Including the M.2 SSD that Window$ is installed on. But maybe it destroyed itself because I rarely even start it (maybe once every two months), so each update wave is two months worth of updates all at once.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I interpreted it: If you're desktop follows the FDO spec and you try to use adwaita, it will break by not showing icons because adwaita doesn't follow the spec. Gnome apps enforce the use of adwaita. Since adwaita is known to be broken, the app will also be broken. It's no longer just a matter of "Oh no, you can't theme the app!" It's now "The app is legitimately doesn't work properly." Again, I could be wrong but this is definitely how it sounded to me.
Adwaita is broken specifically for full-colour icons. Modern Gnome apps are advised to not use full-colour icons any more, so this won't affect them. It's mostly KDE apps that try to use full-colour icons from the system icon theme, and it's therefore those KDE apps when running on a desktop that uses Adwaita as its system icon theme that will be broken.
GNOME ships with a well defined high contrast theme that can be toggled in accessibility settings. And since it's not arbitrarily changing colors app developers can actually test their apps with it and see if there are any contrast problems and fix them.
@@edvinassenda4466 but high contrast is not the only theme that may assess accessibility. Besides aòll that "don't theme my app" kerkuffke would have been better served if the devs would have pushed distros to properly filter issue reports and only pass upstream those they confirmed weren't their fault, as it's a generic solution that does not limit accessibility
Linux GUI applications should have and respect a global standard that would define graphical widgets and their properties (ex: buttons, search bars, checkboxes...etc.). Each desktop environment would then use their own implementations. This would simplify app creation, as well as making everything look consistent.
The difference between apps go much further than just how widgets look. GNOME and KDE have fundamentally different design philosophies; it’s not possible to make apps from one part look like it’s from the other by just applying another coat of paint.
i believe with so many distros out there that the major companies like Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, should create a theming api that is not specific to whether there is GTK or not, or KDE theming. Basically create a outline theme package with all the coding and during installation it would read the information on the distro and add the necessary theme requirements, either thru links to libraries, or adding the code into the theme package via case statements or similar type of code paradigm . In other words a theming black box idea, Also another point that i would like to make, is that working with distro's in a vm environment, i noticed that distro's have a different file structure at the very detailed level. For example sourcing fzf on arch or on debian requires modification to the source path because it is different!!
that's kinda how I believe. fdo has been broken forever. Honestly, Gnome probably shouldn't care. I see icons in the file browser and app launcher which is now different from a typical desktop icon. I see small icon decorators for apps. Package installs: icon matches binary name in a package branch. If the desktop can do a themed replacement, then it takes over. Naming conventions, whatever. FDO is just a bad bargaining tool or something. I never thought to dig into icons and Wayland. I'm scared to look. Given Wayland, it's time for something like this... own your DE code or fall off moment. I use Wayland, but I'm still on cliff edge about it. FDO looks as slated as Xorg to me. I have favorite non-ported apps that are not working with the xwayland translation, so I'm sure this icon debacle will proliferate as well. I remember systemd transition... upstart. I don't think people want guidance orgs anymore.
@@cameronbosch1213I honestly agree with that. So weird how GNOME spends so much money on "improving" their product, yet I always end up moving back to Xfce or MATE when I try to use it.
I can confirm that Windows 11 is constantly breaking things. For example the update this week causes issues with virtual desktops, animations now flicker and are distracting. Before that, an update broke the taskbar, when maximizing a window, it sometimes ignores the taskbar and the bottom of the app is behind the taskbar. Before that, they removed the feature to drag files and folders in explorer to the address bar to move files. There's tons more, each one alone is annoying, but it adds up to a bad experience.
Imagine the time where Windows 10 was truly the last Windows ever. That would have been amazing, since Windows 10 was the last "good" Windows. 11 is mediocre at best.
"If themeing just dies you won't mind" seems rather false for you who so often says 'looks terrible' and seems to judge everything more on looks than function - seen frequently complaining about a UI that is entirely functional and clear but happens to looks like it comes from the around the millennium, or even before. As if it dies everything probably will look really terrible. Which is fine, you are perfectly allowed to like form over function, or at least be more bothered by the form looking old but personally I disagree with that position entirely all I want is clear and functional.
I never liked form over function. I just think that if said form is completely outdated, it also affects the function. Theming also has nothing to do with the default state of an application or its UI, it adds an extra layer to add makeup to the original vision. It can be good, or bad, which is why I don’t much care
@@TheLinuxEXP Hmm, well certainly for me you don't come across as preferring function over looks most of the time. Does feel like almost the only comment you make on many things is "looks terrible" even when it is perfectly functional and easy to use. Also at least as far as I'm concerned looking like an older application has no bearing directly on the function at all (it might make you assume the application is less capable, as it looks like its from the dawn of time, but that has no bearing on the reality). In many ways the older 90 style layouts are actually more functional, with all the tools to do any complex task readily available and they work even better now when everyone has more screen real estate to cover in menu bars than they did when they were new. Not as pretty, perhaps, with a tiny touch of learning curve to do the simplest and most common tasks as quickly as the modern interface that hides everything but the most common task in impossible to find locations...
14:49 Which is also weird because it seems like they are only targeting Libadwaita apps. Or are they going to filter, Steam, Discord, , Spotify, and all flatpak Qt apps (Mint's Qt theming only affects non-sandboxed apps)?
Related to Win 11 losing market share, there was a good video from LTT (of all places) about Chromebooks taking over the schools in US. Google is playing a long game here, and it seems to start to work. Google Docs now have more than half the market share of office apps, overtaking MS Office.
I bought a mini PC with Windows 11 Pro installed. It has annoying ads, but all the hardware works. Then I install the latest versions of Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and Fedora to check out how they work. On all three distros audio levels on the line out are so low that I can barely hear it, even with volume maxed out. On Linux Mint, dual monitors stop working after the first update. So, my choice is annoying ads or hardware that doesn't work. Probably go with annoying ads for now.
@@aravindpallippara1577 Thanks. Yes, it's hooked up to amplified PC speakers, and works as expected on Windows, but not on any of the Linux distros. There aren't any other audio jacks to hook up to. I'll have to fiddle with it some more. Hopefully it's something simple.
I really wish that Linux Mint would fallback to the EFL libraries when switching apps away from libadwaita, it's a lot more lightweight than gtk and available on many systems including mobiles.
Why not Flutter? and it shouldn't be hard to follow system theme. Also there is Java and amazing Java GUI libs, either swing with flatlaf or javafx could be made to follow system colors.
@@jecajSudbine I don't think Flutter's a good choice given Google's graveyard of products and services. Java is also a weird choice because it doesn't have Native wayland yet, although there is work being done on that front.
@@that_leaflet They will create GTK5 (because job) and everything will break again. I'm also not sure that things with Wayland will just work. EFL is missing a lot of stuff and code is not so good. Maybe QT, deepin has done better job with QT then KDE... I love Java, you get so many good clean UI things with it.
@@jecajSudbineI wouldn't call it a better Job. They just had the convenience of starting from scratch. Something KDE can not do (without losing users because it'll be the KDE4 debacle all over again)
I actually like having different GUI styles, embrace it and you'll get to use some cool and well working apps! You don't need a desktop that is all identical looking!
Yeah but to each their own. Some people are very passionate about appearance over function... That's why there's ricers for cars. It is frustrating that it affects performance though. But some people would rather bolt on a wing, get a new paint job, and duct tape a fart cannon to their civic than drive a faster car that looks plain.
Where's the dividing line between some AI spitting out unauthorised text, vs Google snippets doing the same ... and thereby reducing traffic to the source website?
It's stupid the TPM that windows requires to run 11, my brother's pc was not enough for w11, he has 32gb ram, ssd's, ryzen 5 and the only thing "old" is his geforce gtx 1660 Ti. Now, windows is offering him a free 11 upgrade because they reliazed how dumb gatekeeping was.
I've been using Linux on my home server for more than a decade now, but for some reason I've been hesitant to give it a chance as a desktop OS. I finally switched from Windows 11 to Fedora a couple of months ago because of all those reasons you discussed in the video. The final nail in the coffin was the March update, which kept failing to install on my Lenovo laptop, but I had already gotten so fed up fighting with Edge that the March update failing was just an excuse for me to switch. I didn't even want to troubleshoot it and as it turns out this was one of the best decisions in my life.
16:44 large companies can not be sued or fined in the US because all of our judges and courts are bought by these companies. Laws do not apply to them here.
I think another reason Windows 11 is "losing" market share to Windows 10 is that it flat-out refuses to let you install it on a system that isn't "Windows 11 ready", which my own PC is apparently not. So uh... guess I'm not upgrading, then? 🤷♀ Whatever, I'm making the jump to Linux anyways as soon as I get the parts for and build my next PC. Gaming support has gotten good enough, and all of the productivity applications that I use are already Linux native, so the transition should be painless. Plus, KDE Plasma will let me config a unique to me desktop UI instead of being locked in to whatever UX Microsoft or Apple dictates.
I'm one of those that gave up windows 11 this week! Kubuntu is great and way more polished than I remember Linux being even last year when I tried it out, and night and day from a few years ago
I got a refurbished Lenovo laptop with Windows 11 on it with my graduation money and it was such an awful experience i wiped everything and installed Linux Mint on it. Easily the best tech decision I've made for so many reasons.
I think you misunderstand the issues people have with Coc. It's not speech inside the project the problem, but people going out of their way to report people based on their personal tweets or who they follow on Twitter, and having them banned.
So what exactly is GNOMEs justification for breaking the free desktop specification? Saving a few kb for the icon names GNOME doesn't use? Specifications exist for a reason, and being deliberately non-conformant never resulted in a good outcome.
After using Windows for the last 25 years, I have now had a gutfull. Their blatant disregard for the concepts of privacy and consent have gone too far. #FUmicrosoft
IMO Windows 7 was the best windows, and a big part of that was the beautiful, sleek UI. Then they made it all blocky, and then they added ads. Are they trying to kill Windows or something? Good for Linux though
I'm extremely happy Linux Mint is doing what it is doing with the whole Adwaita/Gnome/Theme thing. I hate it when my applications don't use the window decorations and colors I have defined for my entire system. Go MINT!
I'm not a Mint user myself and I don't personally care much about theming, but honestly them sticking to their guns and only promoting themeable apps is pretty based. I wish them luck.
some of the problems I encounter regularly in Windows after I've started using it at work: - regularly freezing if I have a wallpaper slideshow turned on - screen going black a few times a day and some programs crashing when it comes back (some also having a windows 7 look to them) - finding windows have moved between virtual desktops after the computer had been locked for a few hours i thought the most popular os on the planet was stable? i'm never using it outside work if i don't have to
windows 11 absolutely made Linux more appealing, and many DEs are making it easier to navigate and change settings via GUI interfaces, making intermediate users who don't know programming have a much easier time. plus, with how powerful the terminal is, it can also act as a gateway to being an expert user.
While I don't consider theming a requirement for using the apps, with some themes I do find it important for accessibility reasons. Mainly the new Adwaita theme is hard for me to read, as I can not parse spaced out flat layouts as quickly as I can process denser more detailed ones. So I mainly avoid GTK4 apps I can't theme to a more compacter style, with few exceptions like the Calculator as there it does work for me. Which I will replace with Mint's replacement once released, as that is more pleasant still. Next to liking the desktop and it's configurability more, this is also one of the main reasons I use KDE Plasma, Plasma 6 working quite well for me.
On of the particularly boneheaded decisions in GNOME is that ALL windows have the same featureless and colorless titlebars. Foreground windows and background windows will all look the same, so now you don't know which is active. That's of course if they even LET you have a titlebar. And window borders? Nope, can't have them either. You have multiple terminal windows open, with one over the other? Try to figure out where one window ends, because the backgrounds will all merge together. I seriously think the GNOME designers don't do actual WORK on their machines. They definitely would have been on the Golgafrincham B-Ark.
Breeze icons don't follow correctly either. When using tarball of Firefox for instance. Papirus does. But I haven't used Gnome for a very long time, so maybe Papirus won't work correctly either.
I would love to see an alt timeline where Windows 11 didn't exist and Windows 10 was the last version of Windows. (Not saying I want Windows to disappear after 10, just that Windows 10 would be constantly updating until maybe 2066)
I understand your point on the Linux Mint theming problem, but apps not following the theme you have specifically set for the system kinda makes it look like Mint is not functioning correctly, first thought becomes that the Mint theming is broken (not that the app never supported it in the first place). So I personally support their decision to fork and create apps that actually support theming, and in doing so they are also taking a higher road than GNOME with respect to the open source community, by creating apps that every system can use.
IMHO Windows will not go away until Linux has a rock-solid way of running Windows apps. Microsoft Office contains the most popular document preparation programs used professionally. If I have to prepare documents professionally and provide them to a client, you can be sure it will be Microsoft Word/Powerpoint, because that way I encounter the least problems of compatibility. But Microsoft Office will not run (reliably) on Linux. And there are many other apps that are Windows-only and mission critical to their users.
Windows will never go away because governments and businesses like single-provider technology solutions, because they know exactly who is accountable to fix problems.
Tbf, Office suite is not that much of a problem, Word+Excel+PP is what 99% only need, and there are quite a few good free Linux-compatible ones. For many, Adobe (which is de-facto standard for almost everything in graphic design) is a bigger problem, like I heard many people choosing Macs instead of Linux on Windows hardware only because they need Adobe software for work
@@lmnk many many many competent companies offer work laptops for their employees, so you can either use windows on those or if the company really has that moolah, a mac. At home you can use Linux safely. I wish more companies provided their own gadgets
It really should tell you everything you need to know about how much Microsoft cares about its customers when the EOL 10 while the whole community is clearly not on board with 11
Maybe I am missing something, but I work every day from windows 11 and I don't see any ads. All I remember is that I had some stupid ads when I installed it, but I immediately deleted them and that's it. What kind of ads in windows 11 everyone is talking about? Perhaps I am just not noticing something?
Beats me too. I use Windows 11 and no ads so I don't know. But then again I'm using it with a local account and I purchased my Windows 11 not pre-installed.
Oh there's drama in Nix land. Hadn't noticed over the sound of it running flawlessly on my box :) As I see it edolstra is a brilliant engineer who never wanted to run a community and conveyed that very clearly and then over all that doing engineering instead of community work didn't notice his implicit power levels when he walked over the community. He's stepping down from the foundation and there's going to be a constitutional assembly it's going to take a while but given that the community has managed not brilliantly, but fine, without any real structure or method for making decisions for over 20 years I have literally zero doubt that we'll survive this just fine.
@@TheLinuxEXP Please don’t, Nick! We already have to deal with “the outer world” as it is nowadays to have to also refrain ourselves from having some innocent healthy chuckle and a good time in general 🙂↔️
tbh my general impression of Nix after using it for awhile is that the ideas are really solid, but the whole shebang is utterly buried in technical debt, the leadership is flaky and unreliable, there are no consistent coding conventions to packaging and making nix expressions, the nix language is overcomplicated for the task it does, random things are broken for no reason, there are a billion completely superfluous points of friction and the community in general really like to whine and clutch their pearls. Yet, somehow, the core idea is just SO good that it all continues to be worth it anyway. In all, the NixOS experience feels exactly like switching from Windows to Linux did all over again. It's clearly a superior idea, but jank as all get out and comes with a whole basket case of nutjobs you'll interact with. "Everything is broken but here's some swell tools to fix whatever you run into. So really, it's your own fault it's broken why haven't you fixed it yet" - like I said, deja vu, this is exactly what switching to linux felt like.
I’ve had an older pc with Ubuntu as a daily driver that I didn’t game on. I bought a new gaming laptop and kept it on windows because it was simple for gaming. Then I found WSL and thought this was the best of all worlds. After hearing about Recall and Copilot, and pairing that to the fact the I couldn’t seem to connect virtual environments in wsl to VS Code or Pycharm, I installed Fedora and actually really like it. Very different to Ubuntu, but it’s kind of growing on me. The gpu being handy for local ai means I could make dual use of the gaming laptop for some dev projects too.
Linux fan here, using Mint but with vanilla gnome desktop and dash to panel, I guess I like eye candy. Problem for me is the font rendering never looks sharp to me compared to windows on my oldish and not full hd laptop. Does anyone have a recommendation. I tried all sorts of tweaks bit nothing quite gets there. As much as I dislike windows, considering the time I spend on my laptop it's a real bug bearer in Linux. I've been using WSL lately for dev in Windows just because of this.
We need to be welcoming to new users and not be dramatic as well as respect their opinions on what they like. I have already seen a few instances of superiority complexes and drama repeling potential users. Grow up and be a respectful adult. And thank you to those of you who are welcoming. Nick, Could you do a video on drama preventing the entrance of new users?
about icon file tracking thing i think its ubuntu noble numbat(24.04) problem. that icon issue occur in other desktops other than gnome's. im not sure it occurs in non ubuntu gnomes.
Thanks as always for the information :) Hope to see a lot of people shifting to Linux. It's nowadays really stable and usable without a terminal. I can just say for me is every app I use on Windows supported on Linux and the only reason I have Windows is to test my apps on Windows and compiling them for Windows and that's it. (Dualboot)
I don't think Linux Mint 'segregating', for lack of a better word, apps that don't match their intended look and feel is inherently bad. As average users that don't spend time tweaking their desktop's theming so that everything matches may very well think that apps that don't match the theme are 'broken'. However, they definitely should change their wording. Instead of 'compatible apps', something like 'curated apps' would be less disingenuous, while still getting the message across.
If you have a recent AMD GPU, they actually already do. Lutris and Steam make things relatively easy. The only "problem" are certain anti-cheat rootki... err, engines, which do not run on linux.
@@AzureSoukyuu these are GoG stuff not steam, Linux lacks fan controls so I get thermal throttle and bad performance fans only run up about 1/2 the speed of my windows install when the games are running
Corporate windows 10 to windows 11 migrations are just starting to get underway. Windows 11 market share will increase rapidly over the next 12 months.
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Imagine paying 100 dollars to see ads.
Or I can just toggle them off.
With Linux I cannot configure a gaming mouse, I cannot play all my games. I can't even watch Amazon Prime in HD.
@@chad_8313 I can configure all of my hardware, I can play all of my games (unless I want to play turbo trash with invasive 3rd party software) and I can watch anything I want at any resolution.
@@chad_8313 I have never seen something this stupid / uninformed. Anyways, hope you have a great day :)
@@chad_8313 can you explain the gaming mouse bit?
@@chad_8313i get that. i have not many problems with logitech 203, maybe try that.
this is however not a linux problem, it's typically a hardware manufacturer problem
windows 11 losing users makes sense honestly
im not a big fan of windows, but win 10 just looks better. Sharp corners 🤤
@@siz1700: I miss Win 7 Aero. Best looking Windows of all time.
My only personal machine that uses W11 is my gaming pc and honestly I'm thinking of just switching to linux with it instead. Because literally all I use it for is launching steam, if I can do that and also set a power cap on my GPU then I'd gladly switch. Although laziness stops me for the moment
@@siz1700 People will hate me for this but I personally like rounded corners and the win11 ui in general. And that's all I like about it. Nothing justifies the spyware in the system
@@Enum_Dev win10 is already full of spyware, I don't get why it's so popular.
I just switched to NixOS and only now I find out about this. Well, as long as the software is good I ain't complaining.
I think the problem is a little overblown. Software projects are composed of people, and when those people have problems and disagreements these issues occur. Just stay calm and carry on, the software isn't going anywhere.
@@noderunner_ Yeah, I was thinking back, and we've had these sorts of arguments in every project once they hit a certain size.
Same actually! I have no idea what's happening but it's really good
100%. It took a bit of getting used to, but I can’t imagine using anything else at this point.
Same lmao, I've been wanting to test this distro for the past 2y and then 3d ago I finally installed it. Tbh I've been having only problems with some packages being unmaintained on the nixos repo, but that's about it.
As someone that's used Windows since Win 97 through to Win 10 (Begrudgingly) .... Win 11 was reason I transitioned my brand new laptop to Linux Mint. The sole reason being I was NOT allowed to even set up a local account cause the computer detected that there were wifi (that I had no access to) that I said to heck with it. Honestly mint does what I need it to do (Purely emails, youtube, and light gaming)
I use Windows 11 with a local account. You just need to do the simplest of research. It wasn't hard or complicated to do. Sorry you failed at basic computer tasks.
Wait until you find out Linux issues will require a lot more research.
@@riseabove3082not really. There's just less resources for issues, and you have to learn more about Linux. Solving problems on windows is just as involved if you had little knowledge about windows before hand.
@@Sekhatt true even if you grew up with macs as a kid
@@riseabove3082 I've been a Linux user for a while. I had to setup Windows 11 for a friend.
I can confidently say I hadn't been in that much mental stress fixing a computer issue since at least 10 years ago. It took me literal HOURS. It was hell. Then he had some issues with the hardware : some kind of mixing issue resulting in occasional blurry audio, and something probably wrong with the WiFi driver resulting in loss of connection for hours at a time... I've spent hours looking up these issues, and I have no idea how to fix them.
I have a Dell Inspiron too, not exactly the same, but I do experience both these issues as well... I just hadn't spent enough time on Windows to notice, since I just use it to build software. There might be more reasons why people are moving away from Windows 11 than just the ads. At the very least, Dell ships it wrong. The Inspiron line doesn't seem to work well with Windows 11.
@@riseabove3082 least obvious windows user
Maybe i missed it but i don't think u mentioned that Eelco agreed to step down, so the NixOS drama is over entirely.
Ah I didn’t see that at all!
It's a start, but it's far from over. The community-oriented governance is still under heavy discussion and the comments below the Eelco stepping down post is still full of all kinds of trolls having heated discussions about some of the wording of said post... I'm hoping these will eventually be sorted out..
@@ymstnt Free of speech doesn't mean free of hate speech. I think I will mute some people who provoke the problems become worse if I was the moderator.
@@ymstntthere is some movement around that. They created a zulip instance for the maintainers to join and discuss stuff.
Windows 11: I guess people don't like being spied on, having their systems turned into giant billboards, and having forced updates and O/S changes that are constantly breaking things and hiding things you want/need. You nailed it in your video Nick!
Re: Mint and the whole Adwaita kerfuffle - the problem with DEs that are built on GNOME technology (Cinnamon, Budgie, XFCE, Pantheon and essentially any popular DE other than KDE) is that they have conditioned their users to trust and rely on GTK apps for anything other than the basic DE stuff, but then their upstream just straight out deficated on them.
If they want to survive - and not be like "we're not GNOME but best we can do is have a desktop where all the apps look like GNOME apps and behave terribly" (at which point users may well go and just use GNOME) - they have to change tack quickly and actively reject GNOME apps. Users should still be able to search and install specific things, but Mint cannot offer GNOME Calculator when searching for "calculator" or GNOME Builder when searching for "development environment". Continuing to do so will be a death knell for them.
How does this make sense? They don't even use nautilus, and the rest of the gnome apps they use look almost entirely like Gnome apps anyway. To argue newer Gnome apps are somehow worse than old ones and that they can't be customized is absurd to me, especially since Ubuntu proved it more than possible.
You hit the nail on the head.
@@donkey7921 I don't think you know what your talking about - before libadwaita GTK apps would obey theming - if your Mint is green then apps will be green. Since about GNOME 40, GTK apps from gnome have stopped working well with system themes (for example I set the title dark with light text and main window light with dark text, and means most headerbar buttons are now miscolored). Since GNOME 44 the adwaita icon theme has been broken (missing most icons and those that do exist use non standard naming) but GNOME apps still expect that it is set as the system theme - otherwise they look terrible but with it everything else looks terrible. Mint (and others) tried to avoid these problems by shipping older apps that haven't been ported to GTK 4, but with GNOME continuing to migrate to GTK4 and adwaita, abandoning the old versions, Mint has to get fully on the bandwagon (and give up on doing things differently than GNOME) or drop out completely and stop shipping gnome software.
Gnome does not have monetary issues, they are just following the regulations for non-profits. Nicco loves Linux made quite a good video about it
yes, hope he sees this
Then again, he basically just covered the important parts of Nicco's video in 1m50.
He just didn't cover the drama part... and I think we can do without that, I didn't really care about the drama anyway.
Could you please elaborate on this point?
@@richtigmann1 The Gnome project is a non-profit. If I recall correctly, they got a number of unusually large donations over the last couple of years. Non-profits are not allowed to operate at a profit. They are allowed to have a financial buffer in case of unforeseen expenses or if they do not get as many donations as usual. That buffer is usually monitored by a regulatory body and must not exceed a certain amount. If they get more money than they usually spend they have to operate at a deficit until they've spent all of their excess money. That is apparently what happened and Gnome has spent their excess money and now cut their spending to the amount they get through donations.
If you want this explained better and in more details watch Niccos video.
7:54 personally i don't want theming to go away. It's one of the things that bring me joy using linux
I agree. A big selling point of the Linux desktop is that it offers way more customization than Windows' extremely barebones configuration. It would be disappointing to see more apps disrespect the user's customization choices and more distros removing these options.
So we're going backwards now. The FDO spec was the first real icon spec that was respected by all major DEs and gnome wants to go back to the old system? (Where every desktop had their own spec. Kde had icons that were literally called 2downarrow ...)
GNOME seemingly has an increasing habit of "doing its own thing" and ignoring specifications and certain use cases. First the wayland protocols, then removal of theming support and now this. GNOME devs: "How dare you want interoperability and use other applications that don't follow our dumbed-down, no-settings, no-features app doctrine?!". The project has become really pathetic.
Yesterday
Users: hey we would like to see this in Gnome
Gnome team: F-off
Today
Gnome team: hey you guys, so how are you all doing, so we have money
issues and you are all great...
I permanently switched to Linux Mint in January 2020, I'm a very VERY happy camper. I only wish that I switched to Linux years earlier.
Trust me, Linux mint (and Ubuntu) only recently has gotten as good as it is. It used to be borderline unusable for the average user. I love Linux, but man…. A lot of massive improvements have happened
I've been using linux for about 25 years. Every few years I will try to get rid of windows on my home desktop and decide that linux isn't quite ready yet.
This year was the year! With Mint everything "just works" the way windows is supposed to. (I liked PopOS! but it was just a bit too much of an alien.)
Windows has been going downhill for a long time and 11 was just the last straw for me 👍
Hey Nick, you forgot the gaming news: Proton 9 has been released!
Yeah, but it didn’t do a lot that’s was super news worthy :)
Does your evaluation of newsworthiness have any dependency on how soon your next warhammer game is? :P
@@TheLinuxEXPNative Wayland support instead of xwayland though?
@@localphysicsenthusiast5315 That is big news! Glad it out of the feature flag!
Out of curiosity I have checked the gnome forum thread about that icon theme problem. And I had no idea Gnome team had childish and arrogant blockheads for developers. The Kde guy seems to be the only mature one in that thread.
You should see what the freedesktop GitLab looks like... GNOME might have a decent look, but many of their core developers are bad people.
This has been the impression for me for several years now.
This has been the case for a long time and then they complain about the way the community treats them. There are some sensible people there though, if you look. Either way COSMIC can't come soon enough.
Yep, that's GNOME devs for you.. 😢
They’re beyond absurd. I cannot understand how the project has remained so popular with such adversarial, inconsiderate developers who couldn’t care less about anything “not gnome”.
I moved to W11 on my work laptop a couple of years ago. For all intents and purposes, it's just running a reskinned Windows Explorer with crippled customization. Seriously, it took as long to upgrade as any yearly major W10 update...not to mention that WSUS still sees it as W10.
Despite my best efforts, my wife's XPS continued nagging to upgrade to W11, which she won't, so I finally disabled the TPM chip in it and it's finally shut up about it.
Exactly! I don't get why people hate Win11, but love Win10. For all intents and purposes it's the same OS. If you reskinned Win11 to look like Windows 10, most Win10 years couldn't tell they were in WIn11.
@@LePedant I believe a lot of comes from the fact that they shipped it way too early and people still believe that features from Windows 10 are missing (even though they ware reintegrated and are oftentimes way more sophisticated than before). I would not agree though that it is just a reskin of Windows 10, the amount of changes is massive (just take a look at the changelogs of the Windows Insider Blog).
One questionable aspect could be the "software as a service" thing though
@@bwanatise I get that bad software launches suck. It's weird to me to hate software for how it used to be.
There are huge changes. I was trying to say using the Win11 doesn't feel much different, than using Win10. I feel like if Win11's UI was exactly like Win10, people would see it as a massive update to Win10, not a new OS.
Software as a service sucks. It's just Win11 is either a free upgrade, or comes a on PC with Win11 pre-installed.
I'm not trying to say it's a good OS. Just that Win10 and Win11 have a very similar UX.
Regarding NixOS, the other side of the drama never seems to get traction nowadays. Some members (who are clearly of opposite political and social ideology) went through and compared the claims of the marginalized with what they've said in social media/private-but-available places, and the 'victims' of marginalization pretty clearly have some advanced intolerance on their side as well. But they're considered to be in the right in this social climate, so no one seems to think that them saying roughly the same things as what they accuse others of is a problem. Apparently hate isn't hate if you're a member of a marginalized group.
I'm really, really tired of all of it. As a bisexual pagan from a poor inner city neighborhood with trans friends you'd think I'd be completely in support of the marginalized, but I'm mostly tired of people getting a pass for being terrible human beings regardless of what their opinions are. I miss the days when code was code.
CoCs are pretty much always vehicles for ideological activism by the same sorts who forced people to waste untold hours on changing master to main.
And yeah, same experience. The vocal so-called anti-hate people are near invariably hideous individuals who post venomous shit with abandon since the targets are ok in their book.
I've seen a number of cases where spaces that more recently had become (or always were) spaces that were drivers for visible inclusion (sports, F/OSS, etc.) without being explicit advocates for it are now being torn apart because people are demanding that they become politicized, and if they don't, then they're ruthlessly attacked.
It's my view that apolitical strength (just doing and being) is a truer form of strength than political strength, though I can appreciate the need for solidarity in many cases. Anyway what I'm saying is that in spaces where your cohorts ("labels") weren't really a factor, now you have to tow a party line, even if that's not why you joined an organization that's not really outright political.
Specifically with regard to F/OSS, it really made me smile over the years to see people who found themselves marginalized in other circles become valued members of a community regardless of whether they were advocates for their cohort. I always took it as a sign that things were being done right that someone who was marginalized could show up and get things done without everyone having to go through great pains to make it work. It simply worked because people accepted each other.
I don't know if I really have a complete thought here, but I just hope people can put aside their philosophical differences to keep NixOS going strong.
Windows 10 is a much better product than windows 11
Agreed
It is and remember Microsoft W10 was supposed to be the last version ever.
I would love an alt timeline where Windows 10 was really the last version of Windows. (I mean, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Fixing it would only make it worse.)
They should have made those changes inside of Windows 10 and then released a new version.
Windows 10 was not a good system. I remember bugs after updates that have broken things like moving a file from file explorer into filezilla. For an enterprise product of a big company like MS, this is something I would not expect to happen and if so, it should be fixed immediately and not with the next big update 6 or 12 months later? I don't remember.
Or imagine on KDE the sound configuration tool, it offers options I've missed so badly in Windows (or had to click several times to get there).
I just remember, I bought Gears 4 in the windows store (special offer, long time ago). To change the in-game language to English, MS expected the user to change the system language.
@@Lagotarius last good windows was windows 7. But I made the switch to Linux in 2017 and never used windows again.
14:30 While it's not mandatory, I think the point is that the Mint team wants a cohesive experience top to bottom for their users, which is a great goal. But yes, their wording was probably not the best.
I bought a Lenovo laptop with Windows preinstalled two days ago. I booted straight into Fedora live, checked everything worked properly (Wifi, Bluetooth, function keys) and proceeded to install it nuking Windows.
Windows had solid versions back then (2000, xp, 7), but at this point i don't feel like putting up with preinstalled adware.
Windows 11 is just 10 with a more up to date theme, some changes no one asked for and intrusive ads everywhere.
Don't fall in love with any OS - it's a tool. Use it like one. I like hammers because they are useful but I don't show my love for it. I use Windows 11, Windows 10, Fedora, and so on. I'm not in love with any of them. They are my tools to get things done.
Isn't dying but not doing well... that is what my parents said when my dog was dying when I was kid.
good lord 💀
that went from 0 to 100 real quick. may your dog rest in peace 🙏
So NixOS is going to go and live on a farm somewhere?
@@PaulG.x NixOS died on the way back to its home planet!
OpenAI said "it's imposible to train AI without to Train Models Without Copyrighted Content."
They just admited lol
What a stupid argument to make. as if "it's impossible to make human leather without commiting murder" would be a valid defense for murder.
Of course this is blown out of proportion, but the argument is based on the same flaw
My whole point on this is just to ask "Can a human being train their artistic techniques without referencing copyrighted content?"
Because I can't see a difference in _what_ is happening. There's no practical effect on the artwork itself in either case.
The only difference is whether it's a human studying or a program, and all the supposed controversy comes from idiots who can't comprehend this or from people who somehow feel that the actor somehow has a bearing on the act (it doesn't).
@@trajectoryunown i think the sentience of humans makes a difference, i mean were irrational and random no algorhythms or anything. if computers and ai/llm were truly senitent then maybe they might have a case of AI are humanoid and therefore are entitled to copyright protections
@@trajectoryunown I think the biggest thing is that a person can be inspired by something. It can trigger something in your brain and it can exist without being a copy. AI can't actually do that. AI (or, more accurately, machine learning) doesn't KNOW anything. It doesn't know what an 'elephant'. It can guess based on what other people say an elephant is, but it has no ability itself to say know if what it's saying is actually true or not. As such, if you ask it to, say, write you a speech about something, all it can do is look for keywords in OTHER people's speeches and maybe attempt to change some based on a thesaurus. However, it doesn't know if what it's giving you is purely true or false. It doesn't care if it gave you whole paragraphs of plagiarized copy or verbatim someone else's given speech. A human looking at those sources could read them and get ideas and write their own speech. An AI can't do that.
@@WhiteG60 Do you know what an 'elephant' is? You only know what it is based on what others have told you and shown you. Unless you've done some novel deep research on what it is to be an elephant, how can you say you know what it is? As far as knowing truth from falsehoods, many people believe in gods (with varying descriptions - even amongst the same religion) - they all may believe they are telling the truth and so unable to distinguish 'true from false' (same argument applies for any subject - e.g. 'flat Earth'). Finally, LLMs are entirely able to rephrase various sources of information to produce novel explanations.
No, gnome breaking something? Who would have thought of something that outrageous?
GNOME's team has been kinda hostile towards the rest of the Linux ecosystem for a long time now, acting as if they alone set the standards and everyone else must follow. It's not surprising other projects want to depend less on their products.
GTK was the Gimp Tool Kit. Somehow Gnome hijacked it and made it Gnome toolkit.
I haven't been using DEs for a very long time. I used to use GTK and Gnome apps because they played nicely with other WMs. At some point, I had issues and tried Qt / KDE apps and found they worked better for me. In fact, I have gnome and gtk use flags masked for some time (Gentoo).
My initial experience with Linux was quite challenging, and I've been hesitant to make it my daily driver. However, as I continue to use it, I find myself growing fond of it.
My biggest problem is still the lack of Polish, i dont have a single day without a problem i have to fix and its get really anoying.
When i ever get my Audio problems sorted out, i will probably switch to Linux and only use Windows for Games i cant play on Linux (what right now is not a single one)
And i think this will still be the Biggest problem why people will not stick with Linux, Stuff like that has to work or most People will go straight back to Windows and rather deal with Windows 11/12.
@dreaper5813 Probably Ubuntu or Manjaro.
That's interesting - we may be lucky, but we've had no real problems in the last two years on three daily drivers. Might be because we're both retired and don't need our OS to do more than Email and internet access.
Laptops are infamously more finicky on Linux due to OEMs making or using very odd one off hardware that fits the layout but the drivers for that hardware are unavailable / only written for windows. The more popular linux gets the faster that problem just disappears. But it also hints that if you buy a very main stream laptop you'll have less issues.
3:00 I generally agree but the problem is that some organizations will enforce their coc and ban you from their platforms for behaviour that happened outside of their platforms and that's just stupid and counterproductive
That’s pretty dumb, yeah
CoCs are also pretty much always tools to enforce one brand of politics on the community, since anyone not toeing the line will inevitably get called "unsafe". There's never been a space that claims to welcome everyone as they are where that'd be true for me. Such declarations always mean "shut up, walk on eggshells from here on out." Inclusive, yeah right.
@@GarumOverdose Yeah. If a CoC is just: "Stay on topic and don't be an asshole" then that's perfectly fine but most often then not it's enforced unfairly and used to silence opionions the devs don't like
I love open source but I hate these companies that take open source and then resell it as a service but then don't contribute back
AGPL3 would like a word :^)
14:40 The problem is that it's not just Mint, but other non-GNOME GTK-based desktop environments are affected. While I don't mind if some of the software looks out of place, I prefer the "core" apps (file manager, archiver, disk utility, system settings, etc.) to be identical to the desktop itself when it comes to the theme. The more these apps gets shifted to GTK 4/libadwaita, the more these DEs will need an alternative. Glad the Mint team's stepping up. And who knows? Maybe they all team up (Cinnamon, MATE, Xfce, Budgie) and create their own "libadwaita" that doesn't sabotage other DEs.
They are right about the Adwaita theme it's quite ugly. Debian uses it as it's default and it's the first thing I change when I install Linux. Windows 11 is horrible and getting worse. Microsoft are now blocking Classic Shell and other start software. Which brings back the Windows 7 start menu in Windows 11. They are also blocking a lot of other software as well. I don't understand why users put up with this. I am just glad I am using Linux now and don't have to put up with all of that.
Mint should seriously think about building on top of COSMIC instead of GTK. It's being designed explicitly for that use case.
KDE developers should have already known what the plan for GNOME's Adwaita ("One and Only") platform is. They don't care about open standards unless it suits them.
LOL
That would be great. It feels like Mint has to spend a lot of time undoing Gnome decisions that go in an inappropriate direction for the project
Please cosmic developers support the mint team to make this happen
Can't wait to see COSMIC fully functional. I watched the recent video from the LinuxFest northwest. Been waiting for so long. This year would be cosmic!
Mint likes to be dated and to create more work for themselves for pointless reasons. I really don't understand them at this point. Work smarter not harder. Mint is always about working harder and harder. They will never see the light.
I got a 6 or 7 year old laptop. I used Ubuntu on it for 6 months and went to NixOS a few weeks ago... my battery life doubled, not kidding. It went from 3-4 hours to 7-8 hours browsing the internet, watching online videos like Rumble/UA-cam etc., no gaming obviously. Occasional programming. Ubuntu (23.10) was running Gnome, now I run Plasma 6 and I have no clue what it is specifically that made the battery life last so much longer but I am not complaining. I also LOVE the indestructible nature of NixOS, if something failed, just boot the last configuration and it works again. I just love it.
Well, I just this week had Win11 completely corrupt its main NTFS partition after an update. CHKDSK recognized it as RAW and gnome-disks recognized it as "Unknown". When I used an NTFS repair tool to try to repair it it made it be recognized as NTFS again, but neither CHKDSK nor the NTFS repair tool could fully repair the FS. testdisk only found one file on there, that being hiberfil.sys and when trying to use the undelete function of it it found a bunch of small files in "\Windowß\..." (Yes, with an Eszett for some reason) that amounted to 96MB. So I had to reinstall the OS. That was the only Win11 install I have and it's the one I must not delete because it's for school and all my user data is stored in OneDrive, so nothing got lost.
At least the Linux install on the other SSD in the same laptop didn't get damaged!
If only windows had supported normal filesystems
Ew, microsoft can't even maintain their own file system? Even Linux had already cracked that nut…
Sounds like you have a drive going south than anything else. Never in my life had I had an NTFS defunct itself unless the drive was going out.
@@riseabove3082
The whole laptop and all its components are barely one year old. Including the M.2 SSD that Window$ is installed on. But maybe it destroyed itself because I rarely even start it (maybe once every two months), so each update wave is two months worth of updates all at once.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I interpreted it:
If you're desktop follows the FDO spec and you try to use adwaita, it will break by not showing icons because adwaita doesn't follow the spec.
Gnome apps enforce the use of adwaita. Since adwaita is known to be broken, the app will also be broken.
It's no longer just a matter of "Oh no, you can't theme the app!" It's now "The app is legitimately doesn't work properly."
Again, I could be wrong but this is definitely how it sounded to me.
Adwaita is broken specifically for full-colour icons. Modern Gnome apps are advised to not use full-colour icons any more, so this won't affect them. It's mostly KDE apps that try to use full-colour icons from the system icon theme, and it's therefore those KDE apps when running on a desktop that uses Adwaita as its system icon theme that will be broken.
Theming is an accessibility issue: think of the high contrast theme, let alone o any kind of other configuration an user may need
GNOME ships with a well defined high contrast theme that can be toggled in accessibility settings. And since it's not arbitrarily changing colors app developers can actually test their apps with it and see if there are any contrast problems and fix them.
@@edvinassenda4466 but high contrast is not the only theme that may assess accessibility. Besides aòll that "don't theme my app" kerkuffke would have been better served if the devs would have pushed distros to properly filter issue reports and only pass upstream those they confirmed weren't their fault, as it's a generic solution that does not limit accessibility
Linux GUI applications should have and respect a global standard that would define graphical widgets and their properties (ex: buttons, search bars, checkboxes...etc.). Each desktop environment would then use their own implementations. This would simplify app creation, as well as making everything look consistent.
The closest to that is the Freedesktop project.
From what i've seen its always gnome that does not want to comply with other desktops
The difference between apps go much further than just how widgets look. GNOME and KDE have fundamentally different design philosophies; it’s not possible to make apps from one part look like it’s from the other by just applying another coat of paint.
@@bragefuglseth3505 then a standard should be researched and defined, it could very well be versioned too
@@ataracticGNOME and KDE don’t **want** to look the same
Thank you for starting my day.
Thanks for the support!!
i believe with so many distros out there that the major companies like Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, should create a theming api that is not specific to whether there is GTK or not, or KDE theming. Basically create a outline theme package with all the coding and during installation it would read the information on the distro and add the necessary theme requirements, either thru links to libraries, or adding the code into the theme package via case statements or similar type of code paradigm . In other words a theming black box idea,
Also another point that i would like to make, is that working with distro's in a vm environment, i noticed that distro's have a different file structure at the very detailed level. For example sourcing fzf on arch or on debian requires modification to the source path because it is different!!
that's kinda how I believe. fdo has been broken forever. Honestly, Gnome probably shouldn't care. I see icons in the file browser and app launcher which is now different from a typical desktop icon. I see small icon decorators for apps. Package installs: icon matches binary name in a package branch. If the desktop can do a themed replacement, then it takes over. Naming conventions, whatever. FDO is just a bad bargaining tool or something. I never thought to dig into icons and Wayland. I'm scared to look. Given Wayland, it's time for something like this... own your DE code or fall off moment. I use Wayland, but I'm still on cliff edge about it. FDO looks as slated as Xorg to me. I have favorite non-ported apps that are not working with the xwayland translation, so I'm sure this icon debacle will proliferate as well. I remember systemd transition... upstart. I don't think people want guidance orgs anymore.
It would have been great if mint actually had their own apps like their own terminal , their own system monitor.
That would be nice. They could use MATE or Xfce Terminal and and maybe use a GUI frontend for btop.
@@cameronbosch1213I honestly agree with that. So weird how GNOME spends so much money on "improving" their product, yet I always end up moving back to Xfce or MATE when I try to use it.
Mint wants to be MacOS/iOS they have the same theming standards where it's fashion means function. However those are exclusive yet symbiotic concepts.
2025: The year of the Linux Desktop
No it will not be the majority of the users are people who use an laptop as an tool so they just buy an mac and be done with it
Mine already begun in 2017😎
Every year is the year of Linux since 2007😂
No, there would most likely never be a year of the Linux desktop. And that's coming from someone who loves Linux. (I use Bazzite BTW)
@@Stripes404 who cares anyway😉
I can confirm that Windows 11 is constantly breaking things. For example the update this week causes issues with virtual desktops, animations now flicker and are distracting. Before that, an update broke the taskbar, when maximizing a window, it sometimes ignores the taskbar and the bottom of the app is behind the taskbar. Before that, they removed the feature to drag files and folders in explorer to the address bar to move files. There's tons more, each one alone is annoying, but it adds up to a bad experience.
Imagine the time where Windows 10 was truly the last Windows ever. That would have been amazing, since Windows 10 was the last "good" Windows. 11 is mediocre at best.
"If themeing just dies you won't mind" seems rather false for you who so often says 'looks terrible' and seems to judge everything more on looks than function - seen frequently complaining about a UI that is entirely functional and clear but happens to looks like it comes from the around the millennium, or even before. As if it dies everything probably will look really terrible.
Which is fine, you are perfectly allowed to like form over function, or at least be more bothered by the form looking old but personally I disagree with that position entirely all I want is clear and functional.
I never liked form over function. I just think that if said form is completely outdated, it also affects the function.
Theming also has nothing to do with the default state of an application or its UI, it adds an extra layer to add makeup to the original vision. It can be good, or bad, which is why I don’t much care
@@TheLinuxEXP Hmm, well certainly for me you don't come across as preferring function over looks most of the time. Does feel like almost the only comment you make on many things is "looks terrible" even when it is perfectly functional and easy to use.
Also at least as far as I'm concerned looking like an older application has no bearing directly on the function at all (it might make you assume the application is less capable, as it looks like its from the dawn of time, but that has no bearing on the reality). In many ways the older 90 style layouts are actually more functional, with all the tools to do any complex task readily available and they work even better now when everyone has more screen real estate to cover in menu bars than they did when they were new. Not as pretty, perhaps, with a tiny touch of learning curve to do the simplest and most common tasks as quickly as the modern interface that hides everything but the most common task in impossible to find locations...
14:49 Which is also weird because it seems like they are only targeting Libadwaita apps. Or are they going to filter, Steam, Discord, , Spotify, and all flatpak Qt apps (Mint's Qt theming only affects non-sandboxed apps)?
Yeah, that’s pretty strange
Gnome going broke is the best news I've heard all year. Maybe they should focus on programing instead of political virtue signalling. Good riddance.
They’re not going broke, though
When will Nick make his own distro?
It should be called "Nick's OS" :p
NicksOS?
No. OpenNick'sTheLinuxExperiment'sOperatingSystem
He should play into the meme and call it Nickle Linux. Since (as seen on his personalised Xbox controller) his full name is Nick O'Bach.
@@SkyyySi I hate that I find this funny.
GNOME breaking other desktops because they refuse to collaborate with the open source community, what else is new.
Related to Win 11 losing market share, there was a good video from LTT (of all places) about Chromebooks taking over the schools in US. Google is playing a long game here, and it seems to start to work. Google Docs now have more than half the market share of office apps, overtaking MS Office.
Well that's depressing
Yesterday I had the bizarre surprise that the university where I study formatted all computers from Windows 10 to Windows 7.
wait... what? why?
@@hummeri8713 no idea
makes sense
downgrading??? wild
or upgrading, depending on how that actually went
@@EnderShiru well, I went there a few weeks later and it seems they got windows 10 back. (lame, Linux much better)
I bought a mini PC with Windows 11 Pro installed. It has annoying ads, but all the hardware works. Then I install the latest versions of Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and Fedora to check out how they work. On all three distros audio levels on the line out are so low that I can barely hear it, even with volume maxed out. On Linux Mint, dual monitors stop working after the first update. So, my choice is annoying ads or hardware that doesn't work. Probably go with annoying ads for now.
Yeah if it came to that I'd choose annoying ads too. Ads on an OS don't bother me that much. It's not as bad as, well, UA-cam ads
Line out is not suitable for powering headphones, they are usually meat to be connected to an amp.
If you have a headphone jack try switching to it
@@aravindpallippara1577 Thanks. Yes, it's hooked up to amplified PC speakers, and works as expected on Windows, but not on any of the Linux distros. There aren't any other audio jacks to hook up to. I'll have to fiddle with it some more. Hopefully it's something simple.
I really wish that Linux Mint would fallback to the EFL libraries when switching apps away from libadwaita, it's a lot more lightweight than gtk and available on many systems including mobiles.
Why not Flutter? and it shouldn't be hard to follow system theme.
Also there is Java and amazing Java GUI libs, either swing with flatlaf
or javafx could be made to follow system colors.
@@jecajSudbineswing is not compatible with Wayland, which will be the future display server, it's not a future-proof solution
@@jecajSudbine I don't think Flutter's a good choice given Google's graveyard of products and services. Java is also a weird choice because it doesn't have Native wayland yet, although there is work being done on that front.
@@that_leaflet They will create GTK5 (because job) and everything will break again.
I'm also not sure that things with Wayland will just work.
EFL is missing a lot of stuff and code is not so good.
Maybe QT, deepin has done better job with QT then KDE...
I love Java, you get so many good clean UI things with it.
@@jecajSudbineI wouldn't call it a better Job. They just had the convenience of starting from scratch. Something KDE can not do (without losing users because it'll be the KDE4 debacle all over again)
I actually like having different GUI styles, embrace it and you'll get to use some cool and well working apps! You don't need a desktop that is all identical looking!
Yeah but to each their own. Some people are very passionate about appearance over function... That's why there's ricers for cars.
It is frustrating that it affects performance though. But some people would rather bolt on a wing, get a new paint job, and duct tape a fart cannon to their civic than drive a faster car that looks plain.
Where's the dividing line between some AI spitting out unauthorised text, vs Google snippets doing the same ... and thereby reducing traffic to the source website?
It's stupid the TPM that windows requires to run 11, my brother's pc was not enough for w11, he has 32gb ram, ssd's, ryzen 5 and the only thing "old" is his geforce gtx 1660 Ti.
Now, windows is offering him a free 11 upgrade because they reliazed how dumb gatekeeping was.
I've been using Linux on my home server for more than a decade now, but for some reason I've been hesitant to give it a chance as a desktop OS. I finally switched from Windows 11 to Fedora a couple of months ago because of all those reasons you discussed in the video. The final nail in the coffin was the March update, which kept failing to install on my Lenovo laptop, but I had already gotten so fed up fighting with Edge that the March update failing was just an excuse for me to switch. I didn't even want to troubleshoot it and as it turns out this was one of the best decisions in my life.
Finally, Oi. Thanks for the weekly update.
16:44 large companies can not be sued or fined in the US because all of our judges and courts are bought by these companies. Laws do not apply to them here.
I think another reason Windows 11 is "losing" market share to Windows 10 is that it flat-out refuses to let you install it on a system that isn't "Windows 11 ready", which my own PC is apparently not. So uh... guess I'm not upgrading, then? 🤷♀
Whatever, I'm making the jump to Linux anyways as soon as I get the parts for and build my next PC. Gaming support has gotten good enough, and all of the productivity applications that I use are already Linux native, so the transition should be painless. Plus, KDE Plasma will let me config a unique to me desktop UI instead of being locked in to whatever UX Microsoft or Apple dictates.
@dreaper5813Good thing my ThinkPad is all AMD :)
I'm one of those that gave up windows 11 this week! Kubuntu is great and way more polished than I remember Linux being even last year when I tried it out, and night and day from a few years ago
I got a refurbished Lenovo laptop with Windows 11 on it with my graduation money and it was such an awful experience i wiped everything and installed Linux Mint on it. Easily the best tech decision I've made for so many reasons.
Donated to GNOME because of this video, love gnome ❤❤
I think you misunderstand the issues people have with Coc. It's not speech inside the project the problem, but people going out of their way to report people based on their personal tweets or who they follow on Twitter, and having them banned.
So what exactly is GNOMEs justification for breaking the free desktop specification? Saving a few kb for the icon names GNOME doesn't use? Specifications exist for a reason, and being deliberately non-conformant never resulted in a good outcome.
They can use links, that really costs nothing
After using Windows for the last 25 years, I have now had a gutfull. Their blatant disregard for the concepts of privacy and consent have gone too far. #FUmicrosoft
IMO Windows 7 was the best windows, and a big part of that was the beautiful, sleek UI. Then they made it all blocky, and then they added ads. Are they trying to kill Windows or something? Good for Linux though
It's cool to see my blog get cited in this! If you have any questions to learn more about my perspective I'd be happy to chat!
I'm extremely happy Linux Mint is doing what it is doing with the whole Adwaita/Gnome/Theme thing. I hate it when my applications don't use the window decorations and colors I have defined for my entire system. Go MINT!
I'm not a Mint user myself and I don't personally care much about theming, but honestly them sticking to their guns and only promoting themeable apps is pretty based. I wish them luck.
Libadwaita is themeable. And more teeming than that just breaks apps.
some of the problems I encounter regularly in Windows after I've started using it at work:
- regularly freezing if I have a wallpaper slideshow turned on
- screen going black a few times a day and some programs crashing when it comes back (some also having a windows 7 look to them)
- finding windows have moved between virtual desktops after the computer had been locked for a few hours
i thought the most popular os on the planet was stable? i'm never using it outside work if i don't have to
windows 11 absolutely made Linux more appealing, and many DEs are making it easier to navigate and change settings via GUI interfaces, making intermediate users who don't know programming have a much easier time. plus, with how powerful the terminal is, it can also act as a gateway to being an expert user.
While I don't consider theming a requirement for using the apps, with some themes I do find it important for accessibility reasons.
Mainly the new Adwaita theme is hard for me to read, as I can not parse spaced out flat layouts as quickly as I can process denser more detailed ones.
So I mainly avoid GTK4 apps I can't theme to a more compacter style, with few exceptions like the Calculator as there it does work for me.
Which I will replace with Mint's replacement once released, as that is more pleasant still.
Next to liking the desktop and it's configurability more, this is also one of the main reasons I use KDE Plasma, Plasma 6 working quite well for me.
All I want for theming is pull my colors and my windows decorations. Everything else is whatever.
Same here, an accent color and having titlebars being at least somewhat consistent are all I need.
@@cameronbosch1213 I'd like a little more, try to do the whole color scheme, but accent is a bare minimum
On of the particularly boneheaded decisions in GNOME is that ALL windows have the same featureless and colorless titlebars. Foreground windows and background windows will all look the same, so now you don't know which is active. That's of course if they even LET you have a titlebar. And window borders? Nope, can't have them either. You have multiple terminal windows open, with one over the other? Try to figure out where one window ends, because the backgrounds will all merge together.
I seriously think the GNOME designers don't do actual WORK on their machines. They definitely would have been on the Golgafrincham B-Ark.
Breeze icons don't follow correctly either. When using tarball of Firefox for instance. Papirus does. But I haven't used Gnome for a very long time, so maybe Papirus won't work correctly either.
Freedom of speech is being able to say something without fear of prosecution, not being able to say whatever you want
Windows 11 is a Nixed-OS!
I would love to see an alt timeline where Windows 11 didn't exist and Windows 10 was the last version of Windows. (Not saying I want Windows to disappear after 10, just that Windows 10 would be constantly updating until maybe 2066)
I understand your point on the Linux Mint theming problem, but apps not following the theme you have specifically set for the system kinda makes it look like Mint is not functioning correctly, first thought becomes that the Mint theming is broken (not that the app never supported it in the first place). So I personally support their decision to fork and create apps that actually support theming, and in doing so they are also taking a higher road than GNOME with respect to the open source community, by creating apps that every system can use.
IMHO Windows will not go away until Linux has a rock-solid way of running Windows apps. Microsoft Office contains the most popular document preparation programs used professionally. If I have to prepare documents professionally and provide them to a client, you can be sure it will be Microsoft Word/Powerpoint, because that way I encounter the least problems of compatibility. But Microsoft Office will not run (reliably) on Linux. And there are many other apps that are Windows-only and mission critical to their users.
Windows will never go away because governments and businesses like single-provider technology solutions, because they know exactly who is accountable to fix problems.
we don't need Linux to be the major one, we just need it to be the best it can be with a considerate amount of users.
Tbf, Office suite is not that much of a problem, Word+Excel+PP is what 99% only need, and there are quite a few good free Linux-compatible ones. For many, Adobe (which is de-facto standard for almost everything in graphic design) is a bigger problem, like I heard many people choosing Macs instead of Linux on Windows hardware only because they need Adobe software for work
@@lmnk many many many competent companies offer work laptops for their employees, so you can either use windows on those or if the company really has that moolah, a mac. At home you can use Linux safely. I wish more companies provided their own gadgets
No worries, friend, M$ seems to be working overtime to get people to dump Office.
It really should tell you everything you need to know about how much Microsoft cares about its customers when the EOL 10 while the whole community is clearly not on board with 11
Maybe I am missing something, but I work every day from windows 11 and I don't see any ads. All I remember is that I had some stupid ads when I installed it, but I immediately deleted them and that's it.
What kind of ads in windows 11 everyone is talking about? Perhaps I am just not noticing something?
Beats me too. I use Windows 11 and no ads so I don't know. But then again I'm using it with a local account and I purchased my Windows 11 not pre-installed.
If you're on an enterprise version of W11 then no, you wont see them. W11 'Home' however...
Oh there's drama in Nix land. Hadn't noticed over the sound of it running flawlessly on my box :)
As I see it edolstra is a brilliant engineer who never wanted to run a community and conveyed that very clearly and then over all that doing engineering instead of community work didn't notice his implicit power levels when he walked over the community. He's stepping down from the foundation and there's going to be a constitutional assembly it's going to take a while but given that the community has managed not brilliantly, but fine, without any real structure or method for making decisions for over 20 years I have literally zero doubt that we'll survive this just fine.
I love the jab at Manjaro about their certificates issue - the gold old upwards strike for no reason at all never gets old 😂
Haha I should stop, but I can’t, it’s too funny
@@TheLinuxEXP Please don’t, Nick! We already have to deal with “the outer world” as it is nowadays to have to also refrain ourselves from having some innocent healthy chuckle and a good time in general 🙂↔️
tbh my general impression of Nix after using it for awhile is that the ideas are really solid, but the whole shebang is utterly buried in technical debt, the leadership is flaky and unreliable, there are no consistent coding conventions to packaging and making nix expressions, the nix language is overcomplicated for the task it does, random things are broken for no reason, there are a billion completely superfluous points of friction and the community in general really like to whine and clutch their pearls. Yet, somehow, the core idea is just SO good that it all continues to be worth it anyway.
In all, the NixOS experience feels exactly like switching from Windows to Linux did all over again. It's clearly a superior idea, but jank as all get out and comes with a whole basket case of nutjobs you'll interact with. "Everything is broken but here's some swell tools to fix whatever you run into. So really, it's your own fault it's broken why haven't you fixed it yet" - like I said, deja vu, this is exactly what switching to linux felt like.
You show some written text in the NixOS section. Are these quotes from somewhere, or are these your words?
I’ve had an older pc with Ubuntu as a daily driver that I didn’t game on. I bought a new gaming laptop and kept it on windows because it was simple for gaming. Then I found WSL and thought this was the best of all worlds. After hearing about Recall and Copilot, and pairing that to the fact the I couldn’t seem to connect virtual environments in wsl to VS Code or Pycharm, I installed Fedora and actually really like it. Very different to Ubuntu, but it’s kind of growing on me.
The gpu being handy for local ai means I could make dual use of the gaming laptop for some dev projects too.
Yea, my notebook is now Linux Mint-Cinnamon and it's pretty cool. I'm avoiding Win11 like the plague....
GNOME devs are well-known to be stubborn with "it has to be that way because I said so" mentality.
Super toxic, and generally unpleasant.
please do a whole video on the nixos stuff happening rn, I havent seen many youtubers talking about it
Linux fan here, using Mint but with vanilla gnome desktop and dash to panel, I guess I like eye candy.
Problem for me is the font rendering never looks sharp to me compared to windows on my oldish and not full hd laptop. Does anyone have a recommendation. I tried all sorts of tweaks bit nothing quite gets there.
As much as I dislike windows, considering the time I spend on my laptop it's a real bug bearer in Linux. I've been using WSL lately for dev in Windows just because of this.
On Linux font rendering will never look good.
Windows font rendering is quite advanced proprietary technology.
Yeah, Windows 10 users are not going to Linux when Windows 10 reaches end-of-life.
We need to be welcoming to new users and not be dramatic as well as respect their opinions on what they like. I have already seen a few instances of superiority complexes and drama repeling potential users. Grow up and be a respectful adult. And thank you to those of you who are welcoming. Nick, Could you do a video on drama preventing the entrance of new users?
about icon file tracking thing i think its ubuntu noble numbat(24.04) problem. that icon issue occur in other desktops other than gnome's. im not sure it occurs in non ubuntu gnomes.
Thanks as always for the information :)
Hope to see a lot of people shifting to Linux. It's nowadays really stable and usable without a terminal. I can just say for me is every app I use on Windows supported on Linux and the only reason I have Windows is to test my apps on Windows and compiling them for Windows and that's it. (Dualboot)
NixOS is a great concept
I don't think Linux Mint 'segregating', for lack of a better word, apps that don't match their intended look and feel is inherently bad.
As average users that don't spend time tweaking their desktop's theming so that everything matches may very well think that apps that don't match the theme are 'broken'.
However, they definitely should change their wording. Instead of 'compatible apps', something like 'curated apps' would be less disingenuous, while still getting the message across.
What's Windows??? Mine are fine, keeps the light coming in and keep the cold out. Very important task up in Sweden.
Holly Million is just a wonderful name. First Holly like Hollywood. Secondly the obvious Million in the name. You can't make up this.
Hopefully Linux can get games to work well, that would get many people to switch.
If you have a recent AMD GPU, they actually already do. Lutris and Steam make things relatively easy. The only "problem" are certain anti-cheat rootki... err, engines, which do not run on linux.
@@AzureSoukyuu these are GoG stuff not steam, Linux lacks fan controls so I get thermal throttle and bad performance fans only run up about 1/2 the speed of my windows install when the games are running
Solus is "dying". NixOS is "dying". WIndows11 is dying. Hell, I'm dying too.
The Linux conundrum is that Idealists don't make $$$, but we need both, dreamers and cash.
Corporate windows 10 to windows 11 migrations are just starting to get underway. Windows 11 market share will increase rapidly over the next 12 months.
There are ads on Win11? I never see them.
However I do see an ad above this comment box.