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  • @TheLinuxEXP
    @TheLinuxEXP  26 днів тому +22

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    • @FlameSoulis
      @FlameSoulis 26 днів тому

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    • @joansparky4439
      @joansparky4439 23 дні тому

      please play 13:55 to 14:08 before 10:57 to 11:16 and ask this one question - who is going to regulate AI again?

    • @joansparky4439
      @joansparky4439 23 дні тому

      So.. _"AI requires regulation by government"_ of which we learn a little later that even a _"democratic government doesn't respect free speech"_ .. ?!?

  • @BocVel
    @BocVel 26 днів тому +655

    I agree that TikTok shouldn't be used but the way is being banned is setting a precedent for easy censorship of whatever the current government at the time doesn't like

    • @SumRndmPenguin
      @SumRndmPenguin 26 днів тому +5

      Haven't watched the video yet but if the French law is the same as the American one then yeah

    • @kylehennkens9578
      @kylehennkens9578 26 днів тому +94

      ​@@SumRndmPenguinIt's arguably worse, as France is only banning it in areas that people are protesting against the french government

    • @equalent
      @equalent 26 днів тому +14

      why shouldn't it be used?

    • @equalent
      @equalent 26 днів тому +5

      @@SumRndmPenguin French law is an entirely different legal system

    • @BocVel
      @BocVel 26 днів тому +38

      @@equalent I feel that TikTok rewards content that makes people dumber, that being said I dont think it should be banned and people should be allowed to use whatever they want, regulated sure, banned no

  • @obhwg
    @obhwg 26 днів тому +756

    All of this should always be opt-in rather than opt-out. How annoying.

    • @TheLinuxEXP
      @TheLinuxEXP  26 днів тому +102

      Absolutely

    • @mba849
      @mba849 26 днів тому +91

      That would mean literally no one would opt in for it. If it's opt out, people won't be bothered to disable it.

    • @tomaszgasior772
      @tomaszgasior772 26 днів тому +76

      Telemetry does not make any sense as opt-in. It must be opt-out to actually serve the purpose for software developer.

    • @naturesarmy7936
      @naturesarmy7936 26 днів тому +10

      Opt in to privacy! 😊

    • @someguy9175
      @someguy9175 26 днів тому +85

      ​@@tomaszgasior772if you need to be inherently abusive to get any value of a practice, that practice should not exist at all, period.

  • @iclonethefirst
    @iclonethefirst 26 днів тому +495

    Still annoying that data collection is opt out

    • @DaviCarneiro-uo5pw
      @DaviCarneiro-uo5pw 26 днів тому +65

      I doubt anyone would opt in if it was asked

    • @Nick-rs5if
      @Nick-rs5if 26 днів тому +39

      @@DaviCarneiro-uo5pw Indeed. The fact that corporations implement data collection as opt out just means they understand full well that their users wants nothing to do with it.
      Why listen to user feedback when you can instead just listen to shareholders who've never even use the stuff you make in the first place? Sounds like a great idea! 😂

    • @alicethegrinsecatz6011
      @alicethegrinsecatz6011 26 днів тому

      ​​@@Nick-rs5if Shareholders of Google probably use Google themselves. You tend to invest in products you use daily more than in products you don't use because you use it because you like it and this gives you the feeling that the product is good and worthy to invest in.
      But this doesn't matter here. The head of the Mozilla structure is the non-profit Mozilla Foundation. There are no shareholders and Mozilla asks all users if they wanna disable telemetry at the first start and every time they include new telemetry. They don't hide it.

    • @justsomeonepassingby3838
      @justsomeonepassingby3838 26 днів тому

      ​@@Nick-rs5ifExcept, mozilla is a non-profit

    • @midimax2998
      @midimax2998 26 днів тому +11

      At least, it seams, they have not added a new opt out option/section for this deep in the settings like M$ and others are known for, where you have to recheck all settings after each (major) update just to be sure.

  • @ettoreatalan8303
    @ettoreatalan8303 26 днів тому +222

    Mozilla is a world champion in developing things that most remaining users of Mozilla products would never want to use.

    • @cybernit3
      @cybernit3 26 днів тому

      I am quite amazed with Firefox browser on Ubuntun 24.04 LTS while playing Tanki Online MMO browser game, getting 165fps. I used Google Chrome, Vivandi, Opera and got 60-100fps. Firefox is doing something right with Ubuntu Linux when I have 2 monitors hooked up; 4k@60Hz and 1440@165Hz; but when I disconnect the 4k@60Hz monitor then Google Chrome gets 165 fps. If anyone knows what this problem is let us know, thanks.

    • @rakly3473
      @rakly3473 26 днів тому +20

      I actually think it's kinda the point, they want to attract more users. For some people using FireFox's built in features might be more appealing than using Google.

    • @lmnk
      @lmnk 25 днів тому

      @@rakly3473 well, they are pretty bad at it as well

    • @Pwnz0rServer2009
      @Pwnz0rServer2009 24 дні тому +7

      @@rakly3473 the only thing i hate about firefox is lack of translator

    • @notme232
      @notme232 24 дні тому +7

      Agreed...they honestly need to dump some money into marketing to get it back in peoples minds...
      that and stop the UA-camr reviewers who try it for a day and give up on it when a random site that's 99.99% custom scripts doesn't work or make no effort to adjust to the UI, which is very similar.
      For the odd site that is broken, then use chrome for that and that alone. Get more people using Firefox and sites compatibility will improve and actual development

  • @adialwaysup8184
    @adialwaysup8184 26 днів тому +61

    Man, Slack is going insane. Our organisation shares a lot of NDA stuff on slack. It's violating a lot of agreements here.

    • @jonathandawson3091
      @jonathandawson3091 25 днів тому

      I'm looking forward to better models though.
      Only gripe is that they are striking a deal with OpenAI, leaving other players like Meta behind.

  • @docopoper
    @docopoper 26 днів тому +253

    I'm really concerned about the way the world is going right now.

    • @FlameForgedSoul
      @FlameForgedSoul 26 днів тому +41

      Right _now?_ Dearest, how long were you asleep?

    • @archie-fu7jl
      @archie-fu7jl 26 днів тому

      @@FlameForgedSoul ikr, world is literally burning rn, not only in terms of privacy/security but also physically. I bet in the next couple of years this will finally come to its end and this planet and/or humanity will go extinct

    • @kylejames418
      @kylejames418 26 днів тому

      Zionism is the future if you don’t like it go live in north korea.

    • @nigga_nigga
      @nigga_nigga 25 днів тому +1

      theres enough people who hate this, so there is hope that there will be an alternative to all of this

    • @jonathandawson3091
      @jonathandawson3091 25 днів тому +7

      Debian breaking the KeepassXC package without informing upstream is the last straw! The world is falling apart!
      I'm watching this with some popcorn on my table, in a safe distance with my Arch distro.
      /jk

  • @QuarkBip
    @QuarkBip 26 днів тому +124

    Firefox: We are collecting a little data...to improve Firefox.
    Me: Who...asked?

    • @Cirlotube
      @Cirlotube 25 днів тому +12

      Me:)
      Data collection is not inherently bad

    • @lenowoo
      @lenowoo 25 днів тому +6

      Impove what actually

    • @jonathandawson3091
      @jonathandawson3091 25 днів тому

      In all honesty I think it's fine to have these opt in, as long as option to opt out not well hidden with psychology tricks.
      There is definitely value for Mozilla to track users. And if you are a user who doesn't bother to turn it off yourself, they definitely shouldn't be bothered to hinder their insights by turning it off for you.
      Thinking otherwise is entitlement (that your don't have).

    • @LaZd-
      @LaZd- 25 днів тому +5

      @@Cirlotube Just a shame these companies have a history of being shit, firefox included. Take your contrarian opinion somewhere else, it's getting old.

    • @Cirlotube
      @Cirlotube 25 днів тому +4

      Surely radicalising by treating tencent and firefox the same is what we need to make the world better :)

  • @n-steam
    @n-steam 26 днів тому +119

    Having your login details in your clipboard history is also a bit of a security flaw.

    • @musicalneptunian
      @musicalneptunian 26 днів тому +19

      Yeah. Also having to cut and paste is a far worse security risk because you could cut and paste your password in the wrong box revealing your password visually to anyone nearby.

    • @cyangalaxy
      @cyangalaxy 26 днів тому +3

      That's true. At the same time it could also be dangerous to use Android's Autofill-service. I've heard of a tech news article where someone was able to maliciously make Android enter a password through its Autofill-service (if the user has set one.)

    • @SnakebitSTI
      @SnakebitSTI 26 днів тому +5

      Autofill should always require interaction from the user.

    • @vx4nc
      @vx4nc 25 днів тому +6

      KeepassXC removes the clipboard data after some time

    • @TheKeirsunishi
      @TheKeirsunishi 25 днів тому

      It's less of a security flaw than having a browser extension, keepass also clears the clipboard. Debian are actually only shipping KeepassXC with the clipboard functionality, the browser integration is now disabled to reduce the attack surface

  • @MoolsDogTwoOfficial
    @MoolsDogTwoOfficial 26 днів тому +243

    AI is entering the self cannibalism phase, and it’s beautiful.

    • @s1nistr433
      @s1nistr433 26 днів тому +43

      Ai has been out for only a couple years and it's already becoming enshittified

    • @cimroa
      @cimroa 26 днів тому +31

      I unaffectionately refer to it as AI incest, myself.

    • @GleepVonReticuli
      @GleepVonReticuli 26 днів тому +27

      @@s1nistr433 That's because the people developping AI smelled that it peaked a few years ago and rushed to build startups and make money before it all collapses and regulations are put in place.
      We've seen this pattern a few times in the previous years, if a tech leave the research/academy sphere to enter the mass market it means it's near end of life. (crypto, nft, 3d, augmented reality...)

    • @dronesflier7715
      @dronesflier7715 26 днів тому +7

      Synthetic Data generation in LLMs is actually extremely useful (see: Phi-series of models; every chat finetune ever)- Diffusion is a bit harder because a) judging images is harder and b) images are more complex than text (massively simplifying)

    • @Leonhart_93
      @Leonhart_93 25 днів тому

      @@cimroa There is an actual term for what it's doing: inbreeding.

  • @kolappan
    @kolappan 26 днів тому +122

    Firefox data collection is very similar to Google FLOC. It is very sad to see Firefox do this.

    • @woldemunster9244
      @woldemunster9244 26 днів тому +18

      Who used "suggestions" to begin with?
      I browse in Finnish and English which makes spell-checking useless, first thing i have to do is to disable all "recommendations" in every software i use. :D

    • @emlyndewar
      @emlyndewar 25 днів тому +8

      It’s not great for it to be labeled not a really big deal either, as it ALWAYS starts slow, and we’ve seen time and time again just how slippery a slope it is.

    • @robrob8936
      @robrob8936 25 днів тому

      What a coincidence

  • @TrueGamerX14
    @TrueGamerX14 26 днів тому +93

    Just on the Firefox bit, I agree with it needing to be opt-in but I also don't mind giving analytics to Mozilla as I want them to compete against Chromium. I also get that most people keep software defaults, hence the opt-out, but I guess a nice lil "hey want us to collect some data?" on install would be nicer and feel more privacy aware.

    • @Komentujebomoge32
      @Komentujebomoge32 26 днів тому +15

      I have the same opinion - about giving them useful data, for better managing future moves, but all of this should be after the user's agreement.

    • @no_name4796
      @no_name4796 26 днів тому +7

      They have the thing where it randomly asks you once if you want to disable telemetry.
      But yeah, not on the startup thingy

    • @s1nistr433
      @s1nistr433 26 днів тому

      Just use librewolf, it's a fork of firefox that removes data collection and has a ton of other security features without breaking other websites.

    • @alicethegrinsecatz6011
      @alicethegrinsecatz6011 26 днів тому +9

      Whenever I install Firefox and start it, the browser refers to the telemetry, explain why they do it and let me disable it as well as Link to the settings page to control what I share. Firefox already tells every user that it wants to send data to Mozilla.

    • @MrDiarukia
      @MrDiarukia 26 днів тому +5

      How about proper transparency and telling us where the collected data has actually helped the development.

  • @alanesq1
    @alanesq1 25 днів тому +8

    I would like to see a demonstration of what Google can ask their A.I. when it has full access to everyone's emails, search history, location data etc.

  • @christopherlee7334
    @christopherlee7334 26 днів тому +109

    Centralized algorithms driven social media in general is a bane on our society, wrecking attention spans and productivity. I wish more people talked or knew about the Fediverse.

    • @nimlouth
      @nimlouth 26 днів тому

      productivity is not even the worst problem. Centralized social media are hegemonic vomiting channels. They over represent the status quo and perpetuate most of our pre-existent bad behaviours.

    • @protocetid
      @protocetid 26 днів тому

      advertising would help spread awareness, too bad it’s non profit so that’s not easy

    • @MrGamelover23
      @MrGamelover23 26 днів тому +3

      The thing is, those algorithms are really good at showing me what I want to see. Seriously, it is insane how many awesome content creators I have found through the algorithm, many of which don't even have that many subscribers. I know some people, for some reason, dislike these algorithms, but having to go out searching for stuff doesn't get you nearly as many results as the algorithm would. And keep in mind that algorithm is mostly based on how many people click on the video. That means the algorithm is actually based on what people want to see.
      Plus, most people can't afford to host their own content, especially if it's videos.

    • @protocetid
      @protocetid 26 днів тому

      @@MrGamelover23 Search used to be better, now it becomes another recommended page after 3 search results.

    • @nimlouth
      @nimlouth 26 днів тому +9

      @@MrGamelover23 a couple of problems with what you said:
      First, the only reason why you'll need to search for something is because we use centralized platforms. If we would have a community/repository based internet instead of a giant box of everything with no borders inside then searching wouldn't need an algorithm.
      Second. Most people can't afford to host because the means to do so are privatized and close sourced, so it benefits only big monopolized corpos like Nvidia and Google in the long run. We need a more democratized internet, more open source, more open hardware.

  • @m4rt_
    @m4rt_ 26 днів тому +15

    btw, the things that were disabled in the KeePasXC thing aren't even plugins as you would usually define them, they are built in features that you can uptionaly not include when compiling.

    • @happygimp0
      @happygimp0 26 днів тому +1

      More like, you can optionally include them when compiling, since the defaults, set by the KeepassXC developers, are set to OFF (at least for network, ssh, browser integration and more).

  • @Clawthorne
    @Clawthorne 26 днів тому +10

    I genuinely don't understand what the purpose of that firefox data collection thing is. They're shooting themselves in the foot in exchange for... what? The knowledge that in May 2024 10,562 users searched for "travel"? It seems so pointless. I just hope this isn't a case of "boil the frog" where they introduce something innocuous at first, and then start dialing it up and up and up...

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed 25 днів тому +2

      The fact that it isn't obvious why anyone would ever need this data or find it at all useful in improving the product is a clear sign that they are lying.

  • @MarcosAlmeidakirito
    @MarcosAlmeidakirito 26 днів тому +5

    As always, I get the feeling that we're living in the early days of a dystopia.

  • @obi0bi
    @obi0bi 26 днів тому +69

    it's anonymous now but this is how it starts... first it's "we don't collect X type of data", then they will say they want to offer more services BUT, it's going to require a little more identifying data, then they will claim they NEED MORE until it's freaking Google Chrome, the opt-out could always become non-negotiable, the unfortunate thing is there's no guarantee of this privacy just by accessing the internet but when a company starts small like this, they are likely to snowball to get worse unless they change course

    • @musicalneptunian
      @musicalneptunian 26 днів тому +8

      Yep. The frog boils...

    • @alicethegrinsecatz6011
      @alicethegrinsecatz6011 26 днів тому +4

      Firefox has no commercial interests, unlike Google. They don't have any interest in identifying you atm. I don't understand this comparison.

    • @AJ-po6up
      @AJ-po6up 26 днів тому +11

      @@alicethegrinsecatz6011 Are you saying Firefox is some sort of charity that has no interest in profit or money? if so how did you get so good at deluding yourself?

    • @justsomeonepassingby3838
      @justsomeonepassingby3838 26 днів тому +3

      ​@@AJ-po6uphave you heard of non-profits ?

    • @anton.1101
      @anton.1101 26 днів тому

      @@justsomeonepassingby3838 Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit, Mozilla Corporation is a for-profit. Firefox is mostly funded by the Mozilla Corporation, which is in large parts funded by Google.

  • @alphonsealexander
    @alphonsealexander 26 днів тому +71

    collection of data is only proper if the data is saved on your device

    • @dominik3482
      @dominik3482 24 дні тому +4

      That’s not even collection then 🥹

    • @cttz
      @cttz 22 дні тому

      ​@@dominik3482exactly

  • @mikayahlevi
    @mikayahlevi 26 днів тому +12

    All of the attention on TikTok is weird when Riot Games' Vanguard is completely ignored

    • @privacyhelp
      @privacyhelp 24 дні тому +3

      The tiktok ban is not about security, but censorship.

    • @Gramini
      @Gramini 21 день тому

      What happened with Vanguard? Last thing I heard of is that LoL got infected with it somewhat recently.

  • @mattjax16
    @mattjax16 26 днів тому +75

    This video series has become part of my Saturday morning routine lol

    • @TheLinuxEXP
      @TheLinuxEXP  26 днів тому +9

      Hahah nice! Thanks for watching!

  • @mina86
    @mina86 26 днів тому +20

    10:42 - No, OpenAI isn’t aware it needs to pay to use content that is freely available online. What they are paying for is not the content but the ability to scrape it.

    • @TheLinuxEXP
      @TheLinuxEXP  26 днів тому +2

      That’s what I said? They know they need to pay to use that content, whatever the source.

    • @mina86
      @mina86 26 днів тому +19

      @@TheLinuxEXP, no, they pay to get access to the content. That’s different than paying for the use of the content itself. It’s a subtle distinction but it’s important when considering whether OpenAI et al have right to use publicly available content when training models.

    • @SnakebitSTI
      @SnakebitSTI 26 днів тому +12

      Exactly. OpenAI is not seeking permission from the people who created the content, they are paying the corporation that owns the databases that contain the content.

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed 25 днів тому +3

      @@SnakebitSTI If you're posting on Reddit, you already signed away your rights to that content. It's Reddit's content now, to sell as they please.

    • @jonathandawson3091
      @jonathandawson3091 25 днів тому +2

      +1. I understand there are a lot of anti AI sentiments these days, it's easy to lose track of what's going on if we look at the headlines with a biased lens.
      No offense to Nick, it is only human to err and the issue is complicated, I'm really grateful to have this channel to talk about it and everything else with a 99% accuracy, and positivity.

  • @ellertone1412
    @ellertone1412 26 днів тому +23

    Firefox should improve since its the only focus of Mozilla right now

    • @woldemunster9244
      @woldemunster9244 26 днів тому

      Has been better than Brave/Chromium, even on Android where i can lock my screen and still listen YT with 4dbl0cker.

    • @no_name4796
      @no_name4796 26 днів тому +6

      And honestly it should be e: as long as they don't fuck up, google is already doing a good job at making chrome suck

    • @Komentujebomoge32
      @Komentujebomoge32 26 днів тому

      I think the problem is, that they already had done, what a web-browser can do.

    • @drewlomax7837
      @drewlomax7837 26 днів тому +8

      There are so many features Firefox doesn't have that other browsers like Vivaldi for desktop and Kiwi for Android have had for years. Not to mention the general UX annoyances that have been present in Firefox forever that they don't look like they'll ever fix.

    • @woldemunster9244
      @woldemunster9244 26 днів тому

      @@drewlomax7837 FF rolled back their Android UI a while ago and now it's more usable than Brave/Chromium on desktop too. Plus the plugins won't break after every update.

  • @muizzsiddique
    @muizzsiddique 26 днів тому +9

    There needs to be an agreed standard for non-invasive telemetry data collection that will allow corporations to use their logo/certification, which becomes invalid if any part of the corporate structure uses invasive telemetry.

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed 25 днів тому +2

      All telemetry is invasive. It is wasting bits and cycles on my hardware for a purpose that doesn't benefit me at all.

    • @minifix
      @minifix 8 днів тому +1

      That is a genuinely great idea! Kind of like how certain food products earn the right to carry certain labels for being low on harmful materials.

  • @rossjennings4755
    @rossjennings4755 26 днів тому +27

    When I read "France bans TikTok" in the video title, I thought they were hopping on the "worried about Chinese influence" bandwagon. But no, this is much worse.

    • @xkain-iron
      @xkain-iron 26 днів тому +3

      What are you talking about ? A state of emergency is in force in New Caledonia, the ban on TikTok is temporary and necessary

    • @rossjennings4755
      @rossjennings4755 25 днів тому +22

      ​@@xkain-iron The French government didn't put the ban in place because of a problem with the app, they did it to suppress protests. That's the kind of thing that dictators do all the time, but democratic nations are supposed to do better than that. It sets a dangerous precedent for government censorship of speech.

    • @xkain-iron
      @xkain-iron 25 днів тому +1

      @@rossjennings4755 Je suis français... tu comptes réécrire l'histoire de ce que fait mon pays ?
      Dans la réalité on est très loin d'une simple manifestation... là il était question de pillage en masse sur toute l'archipelle organisé via Tiktok avec des gens armés. Les supermarché sont vides, beaucoup ont été brulés, les habitants n'ont presque plus rien à manger ni à boire, les habitants sont cloitrés chez eux de peur d'être pillé, les routes sont bloquées par des barrages et piégé avec des bombonnes de gaz, il y a eu des morts, les habitants ne peuvent pas aller à l'hôpital, les habitants ne peuvent pas avoir de médicament... des gens qui avaient besoin de dialyse sont morts et toi, tu viens me parler que la France est une dictature parce qu'ils ont bannis Tiktok temporairement ?
      L'Archipelle est en état d'urgence... toi comprendre ? Alors arrête un peu de parler de chose dont tu ne sais rien.

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto 25 днів тому

      ​​@@rossjennings4755 France _is_ worried about Chinese influence. China wants New Caledonia to become independent and thus available for political capture so it can host a Chinese naval base in the South Pacific. France suspects TikTok is actively promoting pro-protest content on behalf of the CCP.

    • @simdes7717
      @simdes7717 25 днів тому +3

      ​@@rossjennings4755 Protests are fine. Armed protests with 4 death in 3 days aren't (now 6). Most of the residents want to stay french (they voted for it). Being french means more than just receiving helps and money. And some of them (a minority) hate that enough to shoot. Tiktok was only temporarily ban, it will come back when the situation calm down.
      Temporarily banning a platform used to fuel armed conflicts is fine by me, even more so when it's tiktok. What makes it stupid is the technical implementation of said ban (DNS ban).

  • @valhajar
    @valhajar 26 днів тому +10

    3:56 Not the developer, but the maintainer, the developer is actually pretty much against that choice

    • @jonathandawson3091
      @jonathandawson3091 25 днів тому +5

      Yeah.
      The developer wasn't even told about this change, and the snide response that Nick showed was by the maintainer to the developer.
      Worth mentioning breaking changes like this which are not initiated by developers are against Debian maintenance guidelines.
      Basically some upstart maintainer, whose job is to just package the binary for Debian, decided that he knows more about security than the developer of a popular password manager and chooses to drop features on his whim, then defend it with insulting comments to both users and developers of the application.
      SMH

    • @awesomefacepalm
      @awesomefacepalm 24 дні тому +2

      The old maintainer basically said that it was a bad idea and he should make a new package with the -minimal suffix instead but he just said "nah, it's already done and I won't revert"
      Scummy move and a big overreach

    • @jonathandawson3091
      @jonathandawson3091 24 дні тому +2

      @@awesomefacepalm Yes.
      Looks like he did that before asking anyone. Now he's taking it on his ego and his ego isn't allowing him to revert.

  • @charautreal
    @charautreal 26 днів тому +7

    it's funny how everytime I'm sceptical to something (NFTs, crypto, and now AI) it turns out to be a shidshow and it ending up imploding because of corporate greed lol

    • @luperteverett1271
      @luperteverett1271 25 днів тому +2

      Techbros be like. They'll always move onto the next big grift that'll make the headlines.

    • @xviii5780
      @xviii5780 20 днів тому

      Crypto didn't implode thought

  • @paxdriver
    @paxdriver 26 днів тому +3

    5:14 you know what's a very insecure password management strategy? Putting passwords in the clipboard when you copy-paste. It's technically MORE secure to have an extension in some very limited cases, but password management is indeed one such case.

  • @CuteSkyler
    @CuteSkyler 26 днів тому +4

    I have no problem with opt-out as long as it's a simple to navigate button that removes all tracking is disabled entirely, not a bunch of hidden tracking software hidden beneath menu after menu after toggle after dropdown, etc.

  • @thr3ddy
    @thr3ddy 26 днів тому +25

    The Firefox change sucks since it signals a change in Mozilla's priorities. The last few years have been rocky for them with choosing user-unfriendly features over the needs of their actual userbase. Firefox is the last bastion of non-Chromium based browsers, and I'd hate to switch, but I've got a bad feeling that these changes will increase in frequency. My guess is that the "anonymous" data collection is to train LLMs, so that they can jump on that bandwagon as well. Anonymous in scare quotes since you can't really deanonymize data and people are identifiable through their habits.
    Firefox can compete with Chromium by focusing on improving their core features and the myriad performance issues on sites optimized for Chromium based browsers. They really don't need a suggest feature. Who asked for that?

    • @giorgos-4515
      @giorgos-4515 26 днів тому

      Well said

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed 25 днів тому +3

      Wait, did anyone actually think this data collection _wasn't_ about training AI? There is literally no other reason to collect it.

  • @erinw6120
    @erinw6120 25 днів тому +3

    FYI, Squarespace doesn't exclude your sites from AI scraper-bots unless you opt-out. Even then, they only block a handful of crawlers (Anthropic, CCBot, Google Extended, and Chatgpt/GPTbot). You can't even add your own robots.txt file to the site.

  • @justmythought7658
    @justmythought7658 22 дні тому +1

    Firefox collecting more data is a good thing. It prompted me to disable the less data collection they already do, because otherwise I wouldn't have known they were doing it. Well done.

  • @lightascend2524
    @lightascend2524 26 днів тому +48

    If "networking" is the supposed package maintainer's main argument of "insecure"... Don't use the Internet then, lol. 😂

    • @happygimp0
      @happygimp0 26 днів тому

      You can use the password manager without internet but you need the internet for a lot of other things. It is always a balance between convince and security. That you should tip the scale more to security for a password manager than for many other application should be obvious.
      In fact, the it is the same for the default build flags of KeepassXC: They disabled Networking, browser integration, SSH and more by default. Their downloadable binary still enables them (no idea why).

  • @duckrinium
    @duckrinium 26 днів тому +1

    Just as usual, thank you for doing news, and just channel in general ❤ I'm so hyped for Explicit sync and NTSYNC, feels like those two are one of the major gaming things to come to Linux right now

  • @-ism8153
    @-ism8153 25 днів тому +2

    Spitting out Slack user messages can’t (realistically) happen because they’re (purportedly) using data to train recommendation models, not LLMs, which is the same thing UA-cam is doing with your watch data right now. It seems like an improvement that we can opt out for this one.

  • @JodyBruchon
    @JodyBruchon 11 днів тому +2

    *Time to spam search for everything illegal imaginable in Firefox.*

  • @moneyluser5711
    @moneyluser5711 25 днів тому +2

    100% of the time a corporation says they wont misuse their data, they are misusing your data.

  • @13thravenpurple94
    @13thravenpurple94 25 днів тому

    Excellent video 👍 Thank you 💜

  • @MarkBajcar-xh9bk
    @MarkBajcar-xh9bk 26 днів тому +1

    great content ... keep it up!

  • @ojonathan
    @ojonathan 26 днів тому +1

    One thing that is worth citing about Linux 6.9 (nice) is that AMDGPU developers finally fixed an almost 2-year-old critical issue in their Video Code Engine (VCE) that prevented Hardware Acceleration video decoding from working properly.
    This fix was backported to previous Linux versions afterwards, but it first appeared and targeted the Kernel 6.9 Mainline and stayed there for a very long time before being backported.
    I will not stretch too much on the issue, but being short: under certain circumstances during video playback, the GPU would reset after a hardware timeout, and you would risk losing your work as the DE/WM would freeze more often than restart in that case. The only workaround was to disable the acceleration and let the CPU do the heavy-lifting, but there are dozens of reasons as to why we have dedicated hardware for this job, and why we want to use it instead (besides having paid for it).

  • @Redwan777
    @Redwan777 26 днів тому +10

    Firefox devs after reading the list of most popular catagory: It's all P?

    • @andyknb
      @andyknb 26 днів тому +4

      "Always has been"

  • @jorge86rodriguez
    @jorge86rodriguez 26 днів тому +9

    Ai is like any new thing, it makes a big overblown buzz in the news but later with time we realize the impact is just small to moderate.

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed 25 днів тому +2

      If it hasn't already made a big impact in your life, you're using it wrong.

  • @dougjohnson4266
    @dougjohnson4266 26 днів тому +4

    All the spying/data collection makes me want to stop using the web.

    • @Jacob6853
      @Jacob6853 20 днів тому +2

      This isn't new sadly. In 1996 when I was in middle school doing my first PC with web lab at school our teacher told us one rule. Be careful what you share and say online, it will be on there forever and eventually people might use it against you. She was a young teacher ahead of her years in wisdom.

  • @huntertrongamesmusic
    @huntertrongamesmusic 26 днів тому +11

    tbf even if we try to stop data collection with alternitives we can never fully stop it, we can only minigate it as much as we can

    • @no_name4796
      @no_name4796 26 днів тому +6

      Yeah but sending a little is already better then sending a lot

    • @alicethegrinsecatz6011
      @alicethegrinsecatz6011 26 днів тому

      Can't you disable telemetry in Firefox completely?

    • @moffichu9150
      @moffichu9150 26 днів тому

      @@alicethegrinsecatz6011 that's one of the biggest issues ... its very hard to tell

  • @ronm6585
    @ronm6585 26 днів тому

    Thanks Nick.

  • @VicharB
    @VicharB 26 днів тому

    Google Photos - I don't use backup (use my home NAS for backups) but in order to use features you are required to use online backup thus sending your photos and indexing them on their server. Even some older features that worked now require to use their online backup! And then all other AI features will be like that!!!

  • @igorgiuseppe1862
    @igorgiuseppe1862 26 днів тому +3

    0:15 you can disable...
    so its enabled by default?

    • @Vide501
      @Vide501 26 днів тому +2

      Yes, which sucks.

    • @Gramini
      @Gramini 21 день тому

      Of course. Would be useless if it would be disabled-by-default.

  • @NiyaKouya
    @NiyaKouya 23 дні тому +1

    Removing KPXCs browser integration function because of "security concerns" is such a BS move. It's an optional feature that's (IIRC) turned off by default, and if you set your saved credentials up properly (with the correct domain) it can actually IMPROVE security/safety for the user because it mostly prevents phishing (or at least makes it harder for the user to fall for it). If the browser plugin doesn't auto-suggest your credentials you already know that something's not right with the page. And, as others already said, not using the clipboard can also be beneficial for security. Oh, and the news about Mozilla extending telemetry in Firefox makes me even more glad that I switched to Waterfox a while ago.

  • @clemente_01
    @clemente_01 26 днів тому +8

    i really dont like tiktok but i dont think outright banning it is the solution to any of the concerns for the people that use it

  • @PLAN50
    @PLAN50 26 днів тому

    How to disable this privacy "feature"?

  • @akr4s1a
    @akr4s1a 26 днів тому +3

    I firmly believe the half baked implementations of LLMs has brought in a dark age of the internet. I think the world would be a better place if OpenAI kept their models as research access only, Meta and Google wouldn't have had such a need to release their own, VCs wouldn't have backed Antrophic's Claude and we wouldn't have to dedicate a substantial amount of our brain power and days to ignoring generative model produced shit.

  • @muizzsiddique
    @muizzsiddique 26 днів тому

    There needs to a standard that defines non-invasive telemetry, whose logo can be used so long as no portion of a corporate structure is using invasive or unclearly defined telemetry.

  • @zenu903
    @zenu903 25 днів тому +1

    I would like for Firefox to have separate toggles for what kinds of data collection it does. I'm fine with what was there before (tab count, extension types etc.) but not this search category thing, so now I have no choice but to disable all of it.

  • @JaumeSabater
    @JaumeSabater 25 днів тому

    You may want todo a Tuxedo vs Slimbook vs others video, just targeting a specific use case (e.g. work laptop).

  • @nerida3347
    @nerida3347 14 годин тому

    I just use the firefox profile maker to pick and choose what i want. Very convenient

  • @MikeWood
    @MikeWood 23 дні тому

    I checked and after the update to 126 of the managed FF in LMDE6, the options are all there to uncheck. I had unchecked them a while ago, but glad that is still an option.

  • @rasr0u
    @rasr0u 25 днів тому +1

    I really feel like there is another world.
    Features like find all pictures with x,y,z was for years in yandex cloud, sometimes it is pretty neat. Specifically, if you are trying to find something like the grandparents' router model, you took a picture a few years ago.

  • @tiarcus
    @tiarcus 26 днів тому

    Thanks!

  • @Torviticus
    @Torviticus 26 днів тому

    6.9.1 Kernel sources are available in Gentoo repositories. So that's something to look forward to this afternoon. Also great to know about the Firefox data collection. Even if it is anonymized still makes me uncomfortable.

  • @Bagginsess
    @Bagginsess 26 днів тому +19

    "AI is a disaster"
    Neo and Connor could have told you that.

    • @Wampa842
      @Wampa842 26 днів тому +5

      The entire population of the Mass Effect universe nods in agreement.

    • @StarlordStavanger
      @StarlordStavanger 26 днів тому

      Neo and Connor?

    • @stephanhuebner4931
      @stephanhuebner4931 26 днів тому

      Not that human intelligence is any better.

    • @Bagginsess
      @Bagginsess 26 днів тому

      @@StarlordStavanger matrix and terminator

    • @Bagginsess
      @Bagginsess 26 днів тому

      @@stephanhuebner4931 found the bot

  • @xucongzhan9151
    @xucongzhan9151 23 дні тому

    My main gripe about Firefox is performance-related, and I don't know how collecting data is gonna help...

  • @ananon5771
    @ananon5771 26 днів тому +19

    I think the issue with freedom of speech is too many people confuse the LEGAL idea of freedom of speech and the CULTURAL idea of freedom of speech (an example where this one matters would be a university). Both have their place, but far too many people (sadly this is especially of my fellow Americans), of conflating the two. Forcing the conversation into confusion.
    Hopefully this was not too political.

    • @chemislife
      @chemislife 26 днів тому +4

      The problem is when the government puts pressure on the companies to remove content and has the company pretend they did it of their own will. This is still a breach of first amendment and worse than out right doing it because it allows them to use your argument as a shield while still violating the LEGAL that you are saying you hate.

    • @ananon5771
      @ananon5771 26 днів тому

      @@chemislife I am aware of this, it's shameful and poisons the well.

    • @kazzxtrismus
      @kazzxtrismus 25 днів тому

      all restrictions are a threat to cut someones tongue out...
      thats the point of freedom of speech...
      you cannot stop me from claiming my dog is orange even though we both know im lying
      because to do so would require an act of violence on your part.
      because its just words YOU must escalate to violence to get what you want and cut my tongue out.
      violence to cure words than can be laughed/mocked/argued/waved away makes you the bad guy.
      this has been a universally agreed truth for 200 years++
      modern society wants that to change because the wealthy and powerful have convinced a few that censorship and the cutting of tongues is morally acceptable.
      this censorship is nothing but an evil razor blade wrapped in candy.
      just because 1 side is getting away with it because of a good advertising slogan makes no difference
      committing violence because of yucky mouth noises is just an excuse for those addicted to committing violence
      i guarantee that one side hasnt noticed they just the acceptable place for terrible people to do the terrible things and want to get away with it......
      "You may not be evil...but evil has aligned itself with you"

  • @juanposo
    @juanposo 26 днів тому

    NTSYNC being delayed is pretty good, there’s no LTS to worry about for a we’ll be here when it’s ready :)

  • @ScaerieTale
    @ScaerieTale 26 днів тому +1

    EDIT: Also, Proton VPN has a no spyware, no logs, no ads, 100% free tier for those affected by governmental censorship like what's going on with France, that I highly recommend to anyone in need of online safety.
    6.9 (nice!) is making Linux look better and better as a daily driver desktop option. I'm still on Win 10 for now, but as I migrate more of my workload to FOSS, I'm more and more tempted to make the switch (esp once security patches end for 10)

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed 25 днів тому

      Have you been trying out Linux in VMs or anything like that yet? Got a distro in mind you want to switch to when the time comes? Desktop environment? No need to worry about making a mistake, either, you can always switch later. The switch to Linux to begin with will be harder than any distro-hopping you might do later to find whichever Linux works best for you.

  • @savagepro9060
    @savagepro9060 26 днів тому +4

    France: "TiqueTorque pas plus"

  • @LA-MJ
    @LA-MJ 26 днів тому

    5:13 or being phished via a typosquating domain

  • @_Epictetus_
    @_Epictetus_ 24 дні тому +1

    Bitwarden > Keepass

  • @wagnrd
    @wagnrd 26 днів тому

    Hope that the new p-state will benefit the AMD dual CCD v-cache CPUs like 7950 X3D.

  • @Software-sb1gx
    @Software-sb1gx 26 днів тому

    8:50 from my understanding having chatgpt find an online publicly available article is not the same as finding slack messages that were sent within a company network/installation of slack.

  • @KLiNoTweet
    @KLiNoTweet 26 днів тому +10

    I asked the AI a gramatical question, the answer was plain wrong. But convincing. Ai is just crap.

    • @cybernit3
      @cybernit3 26 днів тому +2

      Ya, we humans are not God and don't create souls; all this AI hype is funny how they want to monetize it all. Yesterday, I ask about a character in A Clockwork Orange and it gave me the wrong actress name; I even try to teach it and then it didn't remember. I think they are just ELIZA on steroids thanks to modern computer hardware.

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed 25 днів тому

      I like how you misspelled "grammatical". Humans are pretty crap too.

    • @KLiNoTweet
      @KLiNoTweet 25 днів тому +1

      @@cybernit3 My guess, too. It's all hype and broken promises, just like 3d tv hand 3d headsets. So called AI sounds fancy, investors pay a lot of money, but they produce a lot of false results, no one can test, because It's all black box. Shit in, shit out. I am waiting for the next big thing LOL

    • @Roxor128
      @Roxor128 24 дні тому

      @@cybernit3 We do create simple souls already, and have for decades. We just call them software. Without software, the machine does nothing. With it, you get all its distinct behaviours and quirks, and different software has different behaviours and quirks. Ergo, software is the soul of the machine.

    • @KLiNoTweet
      @KLiNoTweet 13 днів тому

      @@cybernit3 I asked the difference between verb and adverb. Pfft. This so called AI knows nothing. It IS ELIZA. Possibly to scam investors, since there is nothing new the last years.

  • @Daniel_VolumeDown
    @Daniel_VolumeDown 26 днів тому

    tbh. I don't have issues with firefox data collection in this form (fully anonymous and easy to disable). BUT I have issues with what tools are used by firefox to collect data. I don't know how it works on PC but android apps are easily scannable to check for things that are used (exodus) and firefox (besides their own mozilla telemetry and some other fully open source telemetry) is using some analytics tools that are for example from google (there is also another company) so are not fully open source (Or am I wrong? And google firebase analytics is actually fully self hostable / open source?)

  • @bertblankenstein3738
    @bertblankenstein3738 25 днів тому +1

    I type my passwords like a savage.

  • @SajjadRizvi77
    @SajjadRizvi77 25 днів тому

    Slackware is one of the few Linux OS that (almost) always implements the vanilla package, as the developer intended.
    As I understand it it’s fairly common for Debian devs to chop things out if the packages

  • @edelzocker8169
    @edelzocker8169 22 дні тому

    The Firefox collection is okay.

  • @kgnet8831
    @kgnet8831 25 днів тому +1

    Your Google AI segment is not fully correct. Firstly, "Ask Photo" works on Google Photos and all the things the AI does on your request, google already could do before, so the data protection did not get worse, it was bad to begin with (all the photos and data already was online). Secondly, also many of the presented features from OpenAI (luckily almost nothing from it will ever have a Linux version) and Google create an Orwellian nightmare, there were two good things Google presented: The new open-weight models Gemma-2 and PaliGemma (run both locally without problems) and even more the creation of Gemini Nano, a small LMM which will live device local, either on your phone or in the future inside the browser. With that you will always have a local LMM to protect your data...

  • @MaryamMaqdisi
    @MaryamMaqdisi 26 днів тому +1

    Thanks for the video, Nick, will read more on the Tiktok ban now.

  • @literallydoing4425
    @literallydoing4425 23 дні тому

    I knew Firefox collected data, it’s why I’ve switched librewolf

  • @Mark6O9
    @Mark6O9 16 днів тому

    Firefox collects data? No waynot the first time a web browser everyone uses collects user data that would be crazy

  • @devinwooley3575
    @devinwooley3575 25 днів тому

    If you opt out of Firefox’s data collection, a box pops up saying they will delete all past data they collected from you within 30 days. Still should have been disabled by default, but have to give them some credit.

  • @magnificoas388
    @magnificoas388 23 дні тому

    Bonjour Nick, je suis un fan de ta chaine!
    C'est un peu une bouteille à la mer que j'envoie là:) Actuellement 2 "gros" contributeurs FOSS, Stephane Graber (incus) et Jon Ringer(NixOS) se sont fait "virés"...L'idée ce serait que tu leur accordes des interviews (genre tryptique:1 leur contribution, 2:la problématique actuelle, 3:le futur)...
    Voilà, c'est une idée en l'air, merci pour tes videos Nick. Alain.

  • @spiderlily218
    @spiderlily218 26 днів тому

    Librewolf(pc) and fennec/Mull(android).

  • @4nyNoob
    @4nyNoob 24 дні тому

    france's tiktok ban isn't the shocking thing to me, it's the fact that new caledonia is all the way over australia

  • @senry1269
    @senry1269 15 днів тому

    im always worried that something will read my clipboard. I'm never worried that somehow my password manager will get exploited on a webpage.

  • @temari2860
    @temari2860 26 днів тому

    To be fair, with Google's search AI you will get pretty much the same data as you would before by visiting several top links. Not much changes in terms of bias and information accuracy with it, it's just quicker.

    • @moetocafe
      @moetocafe 26 днів тому

      yeah, because those several top links were "never" and are "not" biased, not at all.... *cough cough*

  • @chainq68k
    @chainq68k 24 дні тому

    I'm on the Firefox beta track, I was quite happy to send crash/technical data back to Mozilla. Now that it also sends "interactivity", I switched off all data collection. What the flying f(irefox) they were even thinking...

  • @anonymous-bt6pv
    @anonymous-bt6pv 26 днів тому

    Well I guess I need to switch browsers again

  • @ferdgerbeler8494
    @ferdgerbeler8494 23 дні тому

    2:00 so to translate from corporate speak, all these things we claim we aren't doing, we're actually doing them all, and worse, just due to some syntactic shenanigans, we never REALLY said we weren't doing them, you just thought you read that.

  • @mimiaumeow
    @mimiaumeow 26 днів тому +4

    using a large LANGUAGE model as a search engine and not just for processing language is idiotic.

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed 25 днів тому

      LLMs are much more efficient than search engines serving up web pages.

    • @cewla3348
      @cewla3348 25 днів тому +2

      @@fakecubed but are they correct? provably correct? are they accurate to the question asked?

    • @RenderingUser
      @RenderingUser 25 днів тому +1

      @@cewla3348 same goes for literally anything on the internet, no?

    • @StevoDesign
      @StevoDesign 24 дні тому +1

      ​​@@RenderingUser sort of, but at least web pages have some sort of attestation. LLMs will confidently serve up complete nonsense as long as it sounds right. There's no way to verify whether the answer you're given is true, a lie, a misunderstanding, or a hallucination... without using a search engine or something similar.

    • @RenderingUser
      @RenderingUser 24 дні тому +1

      @@StevoDesign "LLMs will confidently serve up complete nonsense as long as it sounds right."
      same is true for any controversial topic in actual websites
      "There's no way to verify whether the answer you're given is true, a lie, a misunderstanding, or a hallucination without using a search engine or something similar."
      same for most websites. unless you take the time to investigate every source for the info.
      which you can ask chat gippitty for.
      i typically always just get sources cited by ai and i look at those instead

  • @Thorned_Rose
    @Thorned_Rose 26 днів тому

    10:46 I would argue that the risks and negative effects outweigh the benefits. Outside of niche uses and very tech savvy folks, the average person is likely to experience more harm from data mining and increased exposure to advertising than if they learnt some basic computer/IT skills.

  • @savagepro9060
    @savagepro9060 26 днів тому +3

    NetBSD . . . FreedomOS

  • @divukman
    @divukman 26 днів тому +2

    Maintainer is right to call it insecure, but not crap.

    • @alicethegrinsecatz6011
      @alicethegrinsecatz6011 26 днів тому +5

      It's also not the maintainer's right to ship it with changes under the same name over the same old way.

    • @garretmh
      @garretmh 26 днів тому +4

      Literally any method of moving a password to a password field is insecure. It’s not a useful metric on its own

    • @stephanhuebner4931
      @stephanhuebner4931 26 днів тому +2

      Then they should stop their users from connecting to the Internet as well, as that is inherently insecure. If anything, a password manager makes the using it more secure for just about everyone.

    • @divukman
      @divukman 26 днів тому

      @@stephanhuebner4931 thats stretching it and you know it 🍺

  • @Isnt_that_Aaronic
    @Isnt_that_Aaronic 26 днів тому

    Keypass already requires you to unlock ths browser authentication so it is disabeld but with the option available if you whant it. The maintanor removed these features and required the user uo uninstall and reinstall the full version. A stupid move by the maintainer.

  • @youcandoit1931
    @youcandoit1931 26 днів тому

    I don’t like Google’s AI being the first item seen on search. I want to discover for myself on my own.

  • @likebot.
    @likebot. 25 днів тому

    Data collection is completely anonymous... for now. We'll see.

  • @PaulG.x
    @PaulG.x 26 днів тому

    Oh no! Firefox will discover my megabat obsession!

  • @pfitz4881
    @pfitz4881 26 днів тому +2

    I have zero trust for "AI".. Like autonomous driving which is being forced on the public neither should be trusted.

  • @swagmuffin9000
    @swagmuffin9000 26 днів тому

    looks like people keep shooting holes in this already sinking ship we are on

  • @DominikZogg
    @DominikZogg 24 дні тому

    Or use the Flatpak version

  • @Eugene-pq3gg
    @Eugene-pq3gg 26 днів тому +1

    Finally this feels like news!! AKA it makes me sad.
    Jokes aside, the video is great and at least gaming has some good news in store.

  • @RagnarinVa
    @RagnarinVa 26 днів тому

    Yes - Nick, was worried I was not going to have my normal Saturday. The whole AI debacle is disturbing, unless it's something that can be localized and controlled for real practical use - I would not want it in any of my home systems.

    • @duckrinium
      @duckrinium 26 днів тому

      I want some AI things but ethical ones and local. I think there is nothing wrong with this kind of AI.